I still belive my theory that the celestial sphere only shows you what you are alive to see. Which is why all hiba sees is a mask of Ravier because she only briefly saw Ravier. And why the Sultana dosen't see her life end because she's takin by surprise, and why Ravier saw a whole road map because she's alive and there to see what the future holds. Just a theory of mine
I wish that maybe chimera would instead seek help from other cultures instead. As raven says, it’s always the villains instigating the new hero’s arrival in some way. The writing team for this game is really crappy, and is also why I really appreciate Raven’s critiques on the lore: it’s not pointless garbage, but rather something the writing team should REALLY watch and learn from
This is just my little guess here but, do you think its Horkos doing most of the stirring up because maybe this is their year? year of Injustice? does that excuse lazy writing, no lol. But I thought maybe this would answer the whole "Its always Horkos" maybe next year Chimera will kick em in the ass, OR maybe better lore overall, idk someone fact check me or something :)
I love the idea that Astrea would send her inquisition to go look for a missing Gryphon becase she needs him to keep the war going, but I recall you saying that Astrea's twisted understanding of Apollyon caused her to aim for a hostile takeover of Heathmoor, so that might be a bit out of character for her
You know I woild have preffered if the conquistadora went seeking to a new sailing route Just to find the new World instead so their crew barely manage to escape and then the aztecs set up in a campaing to conquer heathmoor thus tuning the tables on actual history
Ya historically this is much better but no For Honor wants to create a weird story where they group different civilizations together to introduce an unoriginal crappy story.
Yeah, we really need a season where Chimera is responsible for the inclusion of the new hero. Like, you think with there new heroes coming into Heathmoor, Chimera would try to up their game too.
I would've loved to see that skin on a lawbringer I always thought of a conquistador lawbringer my dream is tarnished but I will definitely buy that skin
@@thegregitto yeah lore wise I get why they would give the conquistador title to warmonger instead of lawbringer but but lawbringer already had Spanish looking armor making me think he would be a conquistador and his weapon does suit it well
@@DakaloMaedza-z4m yeah, warmonger has the more flamboyant armour but I have noticed Lawbringer's armour as being very reminiscent of Spaniards', such as his morion style helmets
For Honor's lore took a huge plunge in Y4, made a comeback in Y5, did pretty good in Y6, and now is all over the place with Y7. Like Heresy was pretty good lore wise, and now we have Curse of the McGuffin 3: Aztec Boogaloo.
The way I always saw it was: Y1: Good Y2: Good Y3: Fantastic Y4: Just...meh...but acceptable Y5: Great over all. Y6: Not bad for the most part, but went downhill in the last season. Y7: Started strong in season 1, but now is taking a downturn.
The worst part, they had done it well with Bolthorn and Medjay. Bolthorn betrayed his friend, but out of desperation for his people. Medjay (I forgot his name) heads to Heatmoor not to conquer, but only to take what belongs to his home. Not for the sake of bloodshed. There were nuances in that story compared to this season coming.
I still believe that lore ended with campaign ending, year 1 is the events that occurred during the war post final chapter, then there was peace and nothing else, China, Egypt, Arabia and pirates don't exist and it's all just a fever dream of a Berserker high on shrooms
The Mexica (Aztecs) were warrior tribes that made a living as mercenaries. They were so good at it, that it what was built their empire. It would have been cool if the Inquisition discovered the empire and the Jaguar Warriors offered their services. Maybe some wanted to go back to their roots, or they wanted a more worthy opponent/sacrifice?
I feel like the story of For Honor really started to take a turn when they suddenly added Pirate, an unironic pistol user in a melee-centric game... But besides that however, I feel like a lot of these hero events with the Outlanders have no real payoff and impact past the point of the Heros' releases, we don't ever get any events after their initial release when they honestly should, because now it just feels like it's all uncomplete.
The saddest part of this Is that For Honor's world Is GENUINELY Rich of potential. with even Just the three main Factions, there are TONS Of stories that could be told by Just Building off of preexisting lore, but Ubi seems hellbent on ignoring any and all potentially interesting lore threads that are RIGHT THERE, Just waiting to be utilized. It Breaks my Heart how they are butchering this game's Story and setting.
When they teased the aztec I officially gave up on any hope of a rapier hero. Perfect opportunity with the whole inquisition thing but I guess they are just allergic to the weapon
@@chrishandsome7012 I couldn't. Most of the knights are based off real life counterparts and most of those counterparts lived in the same area and Era as the Spaniards. And as the season suggests the knights have Spanish-like people. Knights simply have the most potential for heroes, it's like giving the Samurai all of Eastern Asia (Japan, China, Korea, etc)
Yeah, I certainly agree with you there. I think a big problem of that is that they don't have the budget for new maps - so the only real solution for those new heroes out of a different culture is to somehow give them a reason to go to Heathmore. Rather unfortunate actually. There's so much that could be done with Egyptians, Arabs or Aztec, both map and lore-wise.
Probably this lore formula isn't just that the game team isn't interested in making something great and deserved for the good lore of the game, but instead something that they are required to do, not to care that much for the game's sake but the times and money they have to spare or invest in. They saw this formula and went full bananas on massive production of bland and souless lore. As for the lore-wise theme: This topic were the Aztecs are the subjugated and massacrated by the Spanish is called 'Leyenda Negra'. Indeed, Aztecs (Mexicas) were a oppresive and merciless civ. They were a full on sacrificing for the sake of their gods, which they believed good. Tlaxcaltecas were one of the bunch of other less developed cultures that helped the Spanish in defeating the Mexicas. As Raven says, all this time of history was filled by gray-ish ideologic ideas and beliefs, some were completely indefensible, others more likely to be for a greater good. I hope next season will be more cheerful and worthy of the good game they have in hands, but I won't expect it because of the repeative formula they got into and will grasp and get all they juicy money they can get. PD: This topic is also handed by one game is being developed called Ecumene Aztec which basically touches the same topic here. Fortunately devs have heard the community and will address the matter. :P
The way the BP completed fumbled the bag at 6:33 made me have to pause the vid to type this comment. As for the Lore, I would like if instead of Horkos being the invaders, Heathmore should be the place getting invaded. The land there is clearly full of life and resources despite the wars. Hell, even Draconite is a valuable resource that I'm sure other cultures would want to have.
Let's face it, Ubisoft forgot how to lore a while ago. So, after all the signs pointing to a second eclipse, the world suddenly calms down. as a result of this, the warriors start to question why they are even fighting. Astrea sees this moment of peace as an opportunity for a hostile takeover of heathmoor. She suceeds, and starts to oppress people. They start to build a resistance. Now the resistance has escalated to a war with both sides having a decent chance. Additionally, a face from the past has come back to lead this resistance. Now, at this point, you might be thinking "hmm, yeah. This has potential as a game's lore." Now for year 5 Yeah, absolutely nothing has progressed since Gryphon was introduced. That's about it for this season's lore. Yeah, it's reallt dry now. Yeah, it's raining a lot. Yeah, it's really cold now. Dragons Outlander formula take 1 Spooky Japanese stuff Outlander formula take 2 A solid idea for either a branch of Horkos, or maybe even a third faction in the new war (I haven't really read too much into this season's lore.) Yeah, we're gonna completely forget about this third party to make way for... wait for it... Outlander formula take 3!
Guessing they forgot about the original harbingers, ayu and stigandir, the new lord warden he might not be lord anymore, raider and emperor's champion they just disappeared
I'd argue it started with griffin (whichever way to spell it) I feel like he was the real template for outlanders/altered heroes it's just that he was both the new hero and the changed old hero and with a lot of things in for honor it kinda just went downhill from there
After a game runs for as long as For Honor has, the lore can be kinda hard to keep up and keep fresh. New characters are constantly hyped up, rushed, and they have their short moment of fame, then die out. It's the same with every for honor hero. A hero drops, they get their five minutes, and then fade into obscurity. Take for example, Gyphon. He's the leader of Chimera, yet he's nearly never mentioned! Astrea gets tons of spotlight, even when the season isn't super focused on Horkos. Take Heresy, a story about the heathmoor inquisition. Yet Astrea is still very clearly heavily referenced in the daily quests.
Also just this last season of heresy was pretty much an exclusively Horkos season after a year of essentially filler (most season didnt directly affect the continuous lore that was occurring at the time and was essentially “why are the pirates here and what are they looking for”). Then we get back into a season of questionable lore quality: these stories of heroes have brought fanatics out of their homes and made them an evil cult…… but more evil than the current cult. Then an entire New caste of Horkos appears (inquisitors) and they’re somehow worse than the fanatics. They do basic Horkos/inquisition stuff like excessive murder and mistreating the innocent which leads to the death by metal (which was arguably fun and pretty ok lore) until boom. Halfway through the trials:1. Inquisitor yinchen wins everyone over to fight as a single force rather than fighting each other to push back the inquisition who appears to be the entirety of Horkos (who already wiped out most of the fanatics earlier). 2. She then disappears somehow to god knows where (obviously what remains of the americas) With the rest of the relics, this leads some inquisitors to follow her and do an *average Horkos moment.exe*. Which leads to this. Chimera wasn’t involved despite the fact that they exist to oppose Horkos and didn’t A) try to help the innocent fanatics b) take advantage of the massive Horkos civil war to take the upper hand. All we know is that both the chimera banquet and the Horkos masquerade have officially ceased (though I’m sure Horkos will do something gaudy next season anyway) and that “daubeny hears bad news”, “vortiger sits in for a masquerade or 2, astrea looks for someone specific and ravier proves she isn’t useless despite already completing her task last season”. I’m hoping chimera actually get involved in the next season but I might be hoping for too much. (Sorry for the long post for honor lore has a grip on my soul)
I miss the old lore when all you could complain about in terms of lore would be not having an option to join apollyon SP wise and it was still grounded in "realism" without the dragons, gods, demi gods.
I've been playing For Honor for about 3 months now. The single player, though feeling a bit tedious, was gracefully short so it didn't get stale and has some replayability. I like the multiplayer(though I only play against bots because I suck at the game). The multiplayer meta narrative I feel is a bit convoluted. Instead of it being X group, which almost always is European, invades another region of the world, usually non-white people, and triggers retribution form them. Instead I would've had it where this era of seemingly endless war was caused by the death of Appolyon that created a power vacuum, and now various warlords are vying to fill that vacuum, which inevitably creates even more chaos.
loving the idea of a breach remix where you have to ram the first gate then escape and protect a commander type back out, so many ways that could be cool
Raven, My idea for the story for the season would be very simple. In the fight against the servants of the stake, Astria hears old tales from the Vikings about great warriors to the west across the great Sea. Seeing these fabled warriors as potential recruits, she sends one of her disciples general Vela and 30 horkos warriors on two ships to find them. When they arrive, they find a vast jungle unknown to any faction. As they walk through they see people they do not recognize and ask them where they can find these warriors of legend. They don’t have to travel far, as a village they were in is raided, they watch from a distance and Vela smiles wildly “ the tales were true” she thinks “they are already wolves themselves” “primitive they may be, they might not be able to stand up to the warriors of Heathmoor. But I can rectify that.” Vela and her warriors follow the war party, with their shamans making sure they are not spotted. They tracked them to the warriors Great city, a city that rose from a great lake with pyramid lake structures that jutted from the lake like mountains. Decorated with images of snakes and half human half animal hybrids that dot the structures. And farms that seem to float on the water. The stunning amount of people living in the city of a size most in the party have not seen, and might never see again. All painted in exquisite colors, it was the greatest thing they ever seen for many of them. The negotiations go poorly. A member of Vela’s men is actually a chimera spy and makes sure the meeting doesn’t succeed by stabbing the Aztec warlord in the chest, starting a battle which horkos loses, driving them from the city losing 15 in the escape back to their camp. Vela send a messenger on one of the ships back to Astria asking for more supplies and soldiers because they screwed up negotiations. The reply is sent back, Astria simply states that she can fight this new threat with the soldiers and supplies she has, and threatens her if she does not deal with them here, she will have Vela’s head. Dejected, Vela looks to the local tribes for recruitment and finds that they are enthusiastic to fight their shared foe. Even with their new allies, the war was brutal and long. The Jaguar warriors were the equal of any warrior of horkos, and Vela lost a few good friends to her enemies bloody sacrifices to their gods. Nevertheless, the warriors of horkos pushed through and drove the Aztecs from their city shattering them. Vela and her warriors were celebrated as heroes by the surrounding Tribes, and were gifted gold and other gifts from the defeated Aztecs and themselves as thanks for destroying their oppressor. They took as much as they could carry to their ships, and sailed back home. As they arrived in ashfeld Astria was waiting for them, “so the threat has been dealt with” she said coldly “yes, master” Vela replied “excellent” Astria said. The warmonger queen was not happy that the Warriors she desired had not come. But the gold Vela and her men came back with would be enough to crush chimera utterly, the oddities her disciple brought back intrigued her. She would later give vela a new title, conquistadora. And Astria threw a grand party to celebrate Vela’s triumph. But unbeknownst to them, new marauders now stalk the western shores of Heathmoor. Leaving burning villages, and heartless corpses in their wake.
I will say, the reason knights are the villains is mostly just because the knights are affiliated with Christian Europe who interacted, normally negative, with a lot of culture, hence them getting all of the attention, the only exception was with medjay since there isn't an immediate well known equivalent in the fh factions.
Ocelotl lore would be way cooler and fitting for actual aztecs if they had been an empire conquered by the knights before cataclysm 1000 years ago, and that event allowed them to have a resurgance when the knights had to travel to Ashfield when their main land was destroyed. But they never forgot, now they have comeback with their champion a character based on Quetzacoatl (basically Aztec jesus, a god prophesied to return in Aztec myth). This time as conquerors, instead of the conquered. (im mexican, that lore would be so badass)
Yeahhhh, I am at least hoping they will fix the lore when the hero releases too, like, in my opinion when I think of an Aztec warrior in For Honor, I think someone who has noble intentions to defend their homeland and even counterattack, but also would be willing to do brutal stuff for that, with sacrifices and such, it gives a really more morally grey look to them, ever since Medjay and Afeera all warriors we get feel one dimensional in their moral aspects, and it's why I headcanon my own hero OC stories as different from that because eh it feels better
I think this lore would be fine, if it wasn't so drawn out. If there was some huge cataclysmic event, and the background to it was "This group stole from other cultures and brought about their ire" it'd be totally fine. It's just that the lore feels very stuck in place. Like we've been in the same year or so ingame, instead of progressing.
Playing devils advocate, maybe the lore sucks cause the budget on a game like for honor is probably bot a priority for Ubisoft. Ngl though that short sunmary of what you thought the lorencould be was fire and hyped me up
Interesting approach instead of this very stereotypical wheel of vengeance we’ve already seen like… idk… EVERY MEDIA KNOWN TO HUMANKIND!!!!! And calling it “the best story we’ve ever created” boi isn’t that the most laziest sh*t I’ve ever heard someone saying on a Developer live stream (Warrior’s Den in this case) smh. Atleast your approach seems somewhat more interesting and something this company could work off of, but then again, it’s Ubisoft so why do we even bother to expect from them in terms of great story telling.. it’s also kinda weird that this wheel came right after Pirate who atleast had more flaws in her backstory that she’s clearly not out for vengeance, she is the most free-spirited Outlander, she goes wherever she pleases, takes whatever she can get her hands on and holds no grudge or loyalty to ANY faction neither in this war between Horkos and Chimera so she’s basically very neutral (despite that she already met Astrea in the past but it doesn’t mean that she’s forever loyal to her) like c’mon Ubisoft bring more flaws to the character’s’ backstory. 😑🙄
I'm looking forward to your review of the Vela story they made, I know just form what I read that I"m not too impressed with her personality, not that I should expect any different.
Those stories you came up with are just so much better and believable. Also I think that's why the Wu Lin introduction was great. The Wu Lin were the ones who attacked first and it left the other factions shaken
Always amazes me how the christian warrior inspired characters end up being the evil bad guys. This season is just the spanish black legend. The human sacrifices will stop.
I've been wanting to do this for a long time, maybe it's a big comment but... that's it, read who's willing to waste a little time. Amidst the great universe of For honor and its character skins, I came to realize it and I believe that many of the people who are here also realize this. I started to think for myself an alternative version of the skins lore. Ramiel: I'm a big fan of his lore, but it combines well with mysticism, making this first warden actually a legend passed down through generations of knights that came over time. I didn't think to change it, but for me to take it as something that really happened, I think it's overkill. Bolthorn: Now things start to get interesting, at first I thought the raider would more or less serve as an addendum to the past of for honor. I wanted Bolthorn to be a Viking from ancient times, or as Apollyon talks about in the campaign like true Viking warriors. I thought Bolthorn might be one of those warriors, but on one of his forays around the world he came across an empire rich in magical artifacts and huge pyramids. Bolthorn and his crew would hunt for this treasure in search of wealth, but would be trapped in one of the pyramids' traps and die there. Decades later their remains would be found by the Medjay. But while those Vikings stayed dead, they weren't either. Affected by a curse on the bracelets that gave them eternal life. Medjay could not contain the Vikings' bravery and this caused them to escape and seek their past lives in Heathmor. Then Medjay would have to undo his mistake of releasing them. Bolthorn's death impacted heavily on his appearance, he would have been a heavily mailed viking in chainmail but some decaying parts of his body would be on display and being held up by the curse. Meiko: I like her lore, I won't change anything about it. Ravier (Bolthorn's lore 2.0): There would be stories across Heathmor that people are being attacked and pillaged in villages and roads fleeing Horkos' conflict with the Chimiera. Curious about what is causing such an act, Astrea asks Ravier to find out who is doing this. At the end of the day Ravier finds a new empire on the rise that would be robbing and plundering from both factions. Along the way Ravier also discovers that Holden has also sent his envoy on the same quest, Daubeny. Instead of fighting each other, they make a temporary truce and try to somehow diplomatically try to convince Sultana to join one of the factions. She refuses and on top of that curses both messengers of being unable to maintain control over their lands, and that the Sultana would do that, becoming the true governess of Heathmor. Seeing that she could become a real threat to both factions, Ravier and Daubeny team up to invade Sultana's palace, revealing a new breach map, in which the commander is Sultana and the new hero is Afeera. In the end, they win and Ravier discovers the reason for the rise of that empire, the sphere of destiny. She steals it for the sake of Horkos and Astrea. Pirate skin (I don't remember her name sorry): I like and dislike her lore, I just wish the reason for the inquisition was different, that instead of fanatics of relics, they were religious fanatics. In the story mode Apollyon mentions the Roman empire where the centurions came from, I wanted the lore of this skin to expand this empire, hunting all those against the religion that the empire uses. Serving as a control militia for things that deviated from standards, because for the empire, whoever was the winner of the dispute between the two factions would only serve the emperor in the end. Warmonger skin: Raven did a great job, but perhaps the inquisition against the Aztecs could have been sent by the empire I mentioned earlier, in search of wealth and the will to end these cannibals. Anyway ... as she said it was going to be long, thank you very much to everyone who reads this comment and takes care, drink water.
I’d rather make the Aztec empire completely unique in the fact that it’s the Only outlander that’s located in Heathmoor in the form of it being an enclave in the Myre specifically. Where the Aztec empire has fought against invading yet lost and confused members of each faction thus knowing their cultures, language and so forth. As well as sacrificing unworthy victims that stroll in and completely assimilating the rest that are worthy in combat (explains why they are multiracial) they manage to be hidden like the Kyoshin and Horkos factions until one day a major horkos faction spear headed by the conquistador invades the city of gold. It’s slightly lopsided to horkos but when chimera steps in the tide of battle turns to their favor and they thwart the attempt. Thankful for Chimera’s help but being similar to horkos in nature they take a more neutral stance and offer up said assimilated warriors into the ranks of Chimera. Thus the Aztecs join the fight.
I know the For Honor map is not the same as the world map but I hope Aztecs get their own faction. Currently the outlander faction makes sense geographically according to their region around the Mediterranean sea. The pirate is a little bit off but it could be a Mediterranean sea pirate (maybe Italian), Egypt is south of the sea, and the Middle East being east of it. If the Aztec is grouped in with the outlander faction and solely based on the idea of similar conflict within the For Honor lore then they missed a totally better concept and lore to the game while also maintaining real life geography.
I would like to add that what defeated the Aztecs was not the Conquistadores nor the resentful tribes that didnt want to pay outrageous tribute anymore. It was smallpox and other diseases brough on the conquista which wiped about 80% of them (between 10-15 million). No, the aztecs were not "good" people, but they were only defeated after a huge epidemic and betrayal from rival tribes. And well, we all know that the spanish were even a worse tyrant.
"No one cares about the lore" Well, I do. Or rather I would, but I often find it so dissapointing or bland that I just dont see the worth in following it. I read all the little pieces of lore we get with the daily orders when theres an event. In fact, on multiple occasions they have peaked my interest. Most recently, they somewhat eluded to how Daunbeney might actually end up doing something soon. I found that intriguing. Unfortunately, if the past is anything to go by, they are either going to do something boring with this thread, or they just won't follow up on it at all. FH writers in the past were good imo. But for years now I've been indifferent to the writing, and I sometimes feel the writers just misunderstand or dont get what the previous writers were trying to do. Or worse, they just ignore/forget about what has been done previously, be it by the previous writers or the current ones.
What I personaly think is this. The aztac were the obsidian warriors in the story of ramiel. Think about it the aztac used obsidian blades for there "swords" sow for game lore would make sense to actuely give it that precies twist and also put them in obsidian armor. Then the new skin figuerd out were the obsidian warriors went after the cataclysime and went there sow they can steal the gold that was first stolen from heatmore to begin with making it a revenge story. If that's the way the story is about to go then I would say that's a pretty darn good story.
Several issues with that theory: 1.) In the lore that's been released, Vela refers to 'atrocities she committed,' implying that she wasn't stealing 'back' anything. Instead she did horrible things to take it. 2.) While the Aztecs used obsidian blades, obsidian armor is impossible to craft, as obsidian is glass and cannot be forged into armor. 3.) It doesn't explain why the aztecs didn't stay after they defeated Ramiel.
@@RavenKnightYT 1 splint armor doesn't need to be forged just atteched to something, I'm pretty sure they never said it was plate armor or do I remeber wrong. 2 true, but that is why it would be such a twist if she actuely had a good reason to do them. 3 vikings diden't always settel in the places they conquerd why wouldn't they go back to where they came from with the loot they took. I get your points, but they don't have to be
I've been hoping you'd mention this overused lore. because I'm starting to get tired of the knights being the bad guys and how that they are the catalyst for every outlander aside from the pirate. Especially now that the formula is nothing but horkos goes to this place, horkos steals or kills something, new hero comes over pissed off
Part of me wonders if they're kinda' winding down For Honor in terms of overall lore and focusing more on like I guess "chivalric highlights." By that I mean how many of us wanted like a Meso-American hero or wanted for For Honor to touch on Colonialism? Just a thought maybe it's just me.
My mind is absolutely blown away you can up with there lore before we even get a chance to know what it is these videos should definitely make ubi hire you
Man Ubisoft etting. A post apocalyptic Medieval world whe they could have experienced on the idea of how these cultures could have speculatively evolved to adapt to their new world and how they all eventuLlly met and began fighting. Hate to see how lazy it’s actually gotten when in the past Ubisoft could make some pretty engaging worlds.
Wouldn't Astrea see Gryphon missing and jump on that opportunity to win the war? You've stated before that Astrea is unlike Apollyon, and wants to rule in tyranny over *just* sowing discordance, and Chimera is the enemy of that goal. Not to mention she's taken an opportunity to win the war before instead of prolonging it, like in the Battle of the Eclipse.
My hope is they twist the formula and have Chimera save said prisoner, leading to the prisoner being thankful and having him along with other warriors of his kind joining them to get vengeance against Horkos
Honestly, I love your work and this is my first time watching your video and it was recommended by havok but overall I get what you’re saying. Honestly, I wish the rain team would do better with the game, especially with the cultures are introducing and actually be historically at least try to be historically accurate like make other cultures seem like they’re doing something bad and return it makes it makes Herkos I’m not sure if I spelled that right, even though as much as they are sort of like the villain, and this time, they are considered the victim, or I also like the part where you mentioned how Griffin gets kidnapped and we have to go save them and honestly I would love to see another breach map Honestly, I wish they did something better with the Aztecs. Honestly I love the Astec culture and as much as I don’t agree with what they did, I honestly love it, and I still love that the fact they were leasing a Astec warrior type of hero. I just wish they did better with the Lord this time . But keep up the awesome work I’m not sure if you will see this comment but honestly, I love your work so far and I’ll try my best to watch all of your old videos but keep up the work much love P.S. sorry if there’s any misspelling lol
Luckily the next hero is a viking and we probably won't get an outlander next year because they'll have 4 heroes. For honor kinda skirts around with realism. It's a very hyper fantastical setting now. For honor up to the cataclysm is identical to ours aside from dragons and detiys who are legends and myths in our world but real in for honor. Once the cataclysm happens history diverges and becomes the for honor world. Technically for honor could be set in the 21st centrey as the cataclysm happens around the 1100s and apolyon says a thousand years of war. Horkos is pretty much for honors way of saying because history spilt after the cataclysm that Horkos did stuff. In real history the spainish found the aztecs and talked to them for a while before eventually stealing stuff. For honor history aztecs get ganged up on by the entire eastern hemisphere 🤣
It is always such a pleasure to hear how passionate you are about not only this game but history as a whole! I just wish ubisoft would take a page out of your book.
If someone actually complains that the lore "does not matter" then why are they watching this channel? To me that seems like a good chunk of your For Honor content, Mr. Raven.
Dayum! I'd say there was no need to roast the writers this much, but I'd be lying if I did tbh. They are doing lazy work for this season, and then they have the audacity of bragging about how good the lore is going to be? Really? I gotta say, I like your alternative a lot more, but I fear one of the suits at PR could see it and say it's a bit too much... and that would be completely ridiculous, considering the kind of game this is. Anyway, nice work Raven. Have a pat on the back from my part, and let's just hope the writers can come up with something better mid-season at least. Not gonna lie, these recent seasons are making me miss the previous lead writer, overabundance of magic rocks and all considered.
Can't wait to crush some scruffy conquistador skulls and put a comically high pitched voice mocking them saying "we beat yeww!", don't that ring a bell.
For the outlanders story, why didn't they just said that Pirate created a "crew of missfits". They travel accross the seven seas, can't they have foreign warriors on their ships ?
As much as i dislike the lore of for honor these days. Lore of the these outlanders is just an excuse for these warriors to be fighting in this game and so far its just fine with me. Not necessarily a good thing, but just fine.
I'll be honest, I thought the new hero skin would be lawbringer, considering the rework in progress. If I had to shoot an idea, what about a descendant of the lawbringer Apollyon killed in retaliation for them abandoning her village? On a sort of journey to redeem his linage? Idk, I'm not a writer, but it would be something different at least
That doesn't mean they are evil they just have different standards either way they weren't good by today's standards but they weren't evil in their eyes they believed they were doing the right thing
@@derp-7274 yeah, to be completely Fair to them, they believed if they didn't sacrifice people to the Sun God, It Would grow weaker, so the Moon would kill It and then eat the Earth whole. Plus, they saw sacrifice as an Honor. Still, even with that in mind, its worth noting they sacrificed the children Who cried the most by _cutting Their vertebrae_ (they believed the more a child sacrifice cried = the more It would Rain, so they went out of Their way to MAKE Them cry), and in One of Their annual festivities, they would choose a woman from One of Their subjected tribes to sacrifice, tease her for four days about the fact She was going to be sacrificed, beating her if She dared to cry or even Just NOT to smile, and then actually sacrifice her. To add to that, this Ritual originates from One of Their kings beeing given a princess in marriage, princess he then *skinned, and Wore as a full body suit.* I.. admire Aztec society for how unique and uniquely Fair to its Subjects It was, even to the Slaves, but Their rituals were the kind of tales you would hear from a soul Who somehow escaped the pits of hell as It recounted its stay there.
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I still belive my theory that the celestial sphere only shows you what you are alive to see. Which is why all hiba sees is a mask of Ravier because she only briefly saw Ravier. And why the Sultana dosen't see her life end because she's takin by surprise, and why Ravier saw a whole road map because she's alive and there to see what the future holds. Just a theory of mine
actually a pretty dope idea even if it is/ isn’t true
I wish that maybe chimera would instead seek help from other cultures instead. As raven says, it’s always the villains instigating the new hero’s arrival in some way.
The writing team for this game is really crappy, and is also why I really appreciate Raven’s critiques on the lore: it’s not pointless garbage, but rather something the writing team should REALLY watch and learn from
This is just my little guess here but, do you think its Horkos doing most of the stirring up because maybe this is their year? year of Injustice? does that excuse lazy writing, no lol. But I thought maybe this would answer the whole "Its always Horkos" maybe next year Chimera will kick em in the ass, OR maybe better lore overall, idk someone fact check me or something :)
I love the idea that Astrea would send her inquisition to go look for a missing Gryphon becase she needs him to keep the war going, but I recall you saying that Astrea's twisted understanding of Apollyon caused her to aim for a hostile takeover of Heathmoor, so that might be a bit out of character for her
You know I woild have preffered if the conquistadora went seeking to a new sailing route Just to find the new World instead so their crew barely manage to escape and then the aztecs set up in a campaing to conquer heathmoor thus tuning the tables on actual history
Ya historically this is much better but no For Honor wants to create a weird story where they group different civilizations together to introduce an unoriginal crappy story.
Yeah, we really need a season where Chimera is responsible for the inclusion of the new hero. Like, you think with there new heroes coming into Heathmoor, Chimera would try to up their game too.
To be fair though, that skin got me back into playing warmonger and grinding steel just out if anticipation
I would've loved to see that skin on a lawbringer I always thought of a conquistador lawbringer my dream is tarnished but I will definitely buy that skin
@@DakaloMaedza-z4m to be fair, from a purely character standpoint it makes the most aesthetic sense to give the warmonger a conquistador skin
@@thegregitto yeah lore wise I get why they would give the conquistador title to warmonger instead of lawbringer but but lawbringer already had Spanish looking armor making me think he would be a conquistador and his weapon does suit it well
@@DakaloMaedza-z4m yeah, warmonger has the more flamboyant armour but I have noticed Lawbringer's armour as being very reminiscent of Spaniards', such as his morion style helmets
@@thegregitto yep, I wonder what kind of hero skin lawbringer maybe a lawful evil type of character but I can only wait
For Honor's lore took a huge plunge in Y4, made a comeback in Y5, did pretty good in Y6, and now is all over the place with Y7. Like Heresy was pretty good lore wise, and now we have Curse of the McGuffin 3: Aztec Boogaloo.
The way I always saw it was:
Y1: Good
Y2: Good
Y3: Fantastic
Y4: Just...meh...but acceptable
Y5: Great over all.
Y6: Not bad for the most part, but went downhill in the last season.
Y7: Started strong in season 1, but now is taking a downturn.
I love the way raven is explaining how lore should be made because holy damn that is detailed and very good.
The worst part, they had done it well with Bolthorn and Medjay. Bolthorn betrayed his friend, but out of desperation for his people. Medjay (I forgot his name) heads to Heatmoor not to conquer, but only to take what belongs to his home. Not for the sake of bloodshed. There were nuances in that story compared to this season coming.
I still believe that lore ended with campaign ending, year 1 is the events that occurred during the war post final chapter, then there was peace and nothing else, China, Egypt, Arabia and pirates don't exist and it's all just a fever dream of a Berserker high on shrooms
Helvar took too many he's got quite the story to tell runa
The Mexica (Aztecs) were warrior tribes that made a living as mercenaries. They were so good at it, that it what was built their empire. It would have been cool if the Inquisition discovered the empire and the Jaguar Warriors offered their services. Maybe some wanted to go back to their roots, or they wanted a more worthy opponent/sacrifice?
I feel like the story of For Honor really started to take a turn when they suddenly added Pirate, an unironic pistol user in a melee-centric game... But besides that however, I feel like a lot of these hero events with the Outlanders have no real payoff and impact past the point of the Heros' releases, we don't ever get any events after their initial release when they honestly should, because now it just feels like it's all uncomplete.
The saddest part of this Is that For Honor's world Is GENUINELY Rich of potential.
with even Just the three main Factions, there are TONS Of stories that could be told by Just Building off of preexisting lore, but Ubi seems hellbent on ignoring any and all potentially interesting lore threads that are RIGHT THERE, Just waiting to be utilized.
It Breaks my Heart how they are butchering this game's Story and setting.
When they teased the aztec I officially gave up on any hope of a rapier hero. Perfect opportunity with the whole inquisition thing but I guess they are just allergic to the weapon
Too many people wanted an Aztec and a rapier would surely be a knight. And people always go insane when there's another knight hero added
@@warlock_2551 idk, I feel like I could understand a spaniard not being in the knights
@@chrishandsome7012 I couldn't. Most of the knights are based off real life counterparts and most of those counterparts lived in the same area and Era as the Spaniards. And as the season suggests the knights have Spanish-like people. Knights simply have the most potential for heroes, it's like giving the Samurai all of Eastern Asia (Japan, China, Korea, etc)
Yeah, I certainly agree with you there. I think a big problem of that is that they don't have the budget for new maps - so the only real solution for those new heroes out of a different culture is to somehow give them a reason to go to Heathmore. Rather unfortunate actually. There's so much that could be done with Egyptians, Arabs or Aztec, both map and lore-wise.
And also they have to give themselves unnecessary work for a temporary breach map
Why hasn’t Ubisoft hired you yet? You would be an excellent story writer for the team
I know right!
he's white, that's really the biggest reason
@@chriscormac231 how exactly?
Ubisoft is actually in a terrible state, so i think "no money"
@@leightonruehmer5223 some people just wanna add race to everything
Probably this lore formula isn't just that the game team isn't interested in making something great and deserved for the good lore of the game, but instead something that they are required to do, not to care that much for the game's sake but the times and money they have to spare or invest in. They saw this formula and went full bananas on massive production of bland and souless lore.
As for the lore-wise theme: This topic were the Aztecs are the subjugated and massacrated by the Spanish is called 'Leyenda Negra'. Indeed, Aztecs (Mexicas) were a oppresive and merciless civ. They were a full on sacrificing for the sake of their gods, which they believed good. Tlaxcaltecas were one of the bunch of other less developed cultures that helped the Spanish in defeating the Mexicas.
As Raven says, all this time of history was filled by gray-ish ideologic ideas and beliefs, some were completely indefensible, others more likely to be for a greater good.
I hope next season will be more cheerful and worthy of the good game they have in hands, but I won't expect it because of the repeative formula they got into and will grasp and get all they juicy money they can get.
PD: This topic is also handed by one game is being developed called Ecumene Aztec which basically touches the same topic here. Fortunately devs have heard the community and will address the matter. :P
I hope Ubisoft sees this video, because omg, that's some good Story I would like to explore further
Ypur reminder that there is an effect which has gravestones, one of which reads "Lore Continuity."
Seems even the design team doesn't like what the writers are doing
The way the BP completed fumbled the bag at 6:33 made me have to pause the vid to type this comment. As for the Lore, I would like if instead of Horkos being the invaders, Heathmore should be the place getting invaded. The land there is clearly full of life and resources despite the wars. Hell, even Draconite is a valuable resource that I'm sure other cultures would want to have.
Let's face it, Ubisoft forgot how to lore a while ago.
So, after all the signs pointing to a second eclipse, the world suddenly calms down. as a result of this, the warriors start to question why they are even fighting.
Astrea sees this moment of peace as an opportunity for a hostile takeover of heathmoor.
She suceeds, and starts to oppress people. They start to build a resistance.
Now the resistance has escalated to a war with both sides having a decent chance. Additionally, a face from the past has come back to lead this resistance.
Now, at this point, you might be thinking "hmm, yeah. This has potential as a game's lore."
Now for year 5
Yeah, absolutely nothing has progressed since Gryphon was introduced. That's about it for this season's lore.
Yeah, it's reallt dry now.
Yeah, it's raining a lot.
Yeah, it's really cold now.
Dragons
Outlander formula take 1
Spooky Japanese stuff
Outlander formula take 2
A solid idea for either a branch of Horkos, or maybe even a third faction in the new war (I haven't really read too much into this season's lore.)
Yeah, we're gonna completely forget about this third party to make way for... wait for it...
Outlander formula take 3!
Guessing they forgot about the original harbingers, ayu and stigandir, the new lord warden he might not be lord anymore, raider and emperor's champion they just disappeared
I'd argue it started with griffin (whichever way to spell it) I feel like he was the real template for outlanders/altered heroes it's just that he was both the new hero and the changed old hero and with a lot of things in for honor it kinda just went downhill from there
After a game runs for as long as For Honor has, the lore can be kinda hard to keep up and keep fresh. New characters are constantly hyped up, rushed, and they have their short moment of fame, then die out. It's the same with every for honor hero. A hero drops, they get their five minutes, and then fade into obscurity.
Take for example, Gyphon. He's the leader of Chimera, yet he's nearly never mentioned! Astrea gets tons of spotlight, even when the season isn't super focused on Horkos. Take Heresy, a story about the heathmoor inquisition. Yet Astrea is still very clearly heavily referenced in the daily quests.
Ubisoft needs you in the writer's room Raven.
Agreed
They don't care about Quality, all they care about is Quantity of cash they can snuff out from our wallets.
Also just this last season of heresy was pretty much an exclusively Horkos season after a year of essentially filler (most season didnt directly affect the continuous lore that was occurring at the time and was essentially “why are the pirates here and what are they looking for”).
Then we get back into a season of questionable lore quality: these stories of heroes have brought fanatics out of their homes and made them an evil cult…… but more evil than the current cult.
Then an entire New caste of Horkos appears (inquisitors) and they’re somehow worse than the fanatics. They do basic Horkos/inquisition stuff like excessive murder and mistreating the innocent which leads to the death by metal (which was arguably fun and pretty ok lore) until boom. Halfway through the trials:1. Inquisitor yinchen wins everyone over to fight as a single force rather than fighting each other to push back the inquisition who appears to be the entirety of Horkos (who already wiped out most of the fanatics earlier). 2. She then disappears somehow to god knows where (obviously what remains of the americas) With the rest of the relics, this leads some inquisitors to follow her and do an *average Horkos moment.exe*.
Which leads to this.
Chimera wasn’t involved despite the fact that they exist to oppose Horkos and didn’t A) try to help the innocent fanatics b) take advantage of the massive Horkos civil war to take the upper hand.
All we know is that both the chimera banquet and the Horkos masquerade have officially ceased (though I’m sure Horkos will do something gaudy next season anyway) and that “daubeny hears bad news”, “vortiger sits in for a masquerade or 2, astrea looks for someone specific and ravier proves she isn’t useless despite already completing her task last season”.
I’m hoping chimera actually get involved in the next season but I might be hoping for too much.
(Sorry for the long post for honor lore has a grip on my soul)
I miss the old lore when all you could complain about in terms of lore would be not having an option to join apollyon SP wise and it was still grounded in "realism" without the dragons, gods, demi gods.
As long as I can cut my opponents heart out from their chest as an Aztec warrior I'll be happy.
I'll be happy when we get a signature of warmonger taking her shoes off.
Ubisoft please Hire Raven Knight to handle your lore.
quick reminder that there is an effect which says ''RIP lore''
I've been playing For Honor for about 3 months now. The single player, though feeling a bit tedious, was gracefully short so it didn't get stale and has some replayability. I like the multiplayer(though I only play against bots because I suck at the game). The multiplayer meta narrative I feel is a bit convoluted. Instead of it being X group, which almost always is European, invades another region of the world, usually non-white people, and triggers retribution form them. Instead I would've had it where this era of seemingly endless war was caused by the death of Appolyon that created a power vacuum, and now various warlords are vying to fill that vacuum, which inevitably creates even more chaos.
loving the idea of a breach remix where you have to ram the first gate then escape and protect a commander type back out, so many ways that could be cool
Raven, My idea for the story for the season would be very simple.
In the fight against the servants of the stake, Astria hears old tales from the Vikings about great warriors to the west across the great Sea. Seeing these fabled warriors as potential recruits, she sends one of her disciples general Vela and 30 horkos warriors on two ships to find them. When they arrive, they find a vast jungle unknown to any faction. As they walk through they see people they do not recognize and ask them where they can find these warriors of legend. They don’t have to travel far, as a village they were in is raided, they watch from a distance and Vela smiles wildly “ the tales were true” she thinks “they are already wolves themselves” “primitive they may be, they might not be able to stand up to the warriors of Heathmoor. But I can rectify that.”
Vela and her warriors follow the war party, with their shamans making sure they are not spotted. They tracked them to the warriors Great city, a city that rose from a great lake with pyramid lake structures that jutted from the lake like mountains. Decorated with images of snakes and half human half animal hybrids that dot the structures. And farms that seem to float on the water. The stunning amount of people living in the city of a size most in the party have not seen, and might never see again. All painted in exquisite colors, it was the greatest thing they ever seen for many of them.
The negotiations go poorly. A member of Vela’s men is actually a chimera spy and makes sure the meeting doesn’t succeed by stabbing the Aztec warlord in the chest, starting a battle which horkos loses, driving them from the city losing 15 in the escape back to their camp.
Vela send a messenger on one of the ships back to Astria asking for more supplies and soldiers because they screwed up negotiations. The reply is sent back, Astria simply states that she can fight this new threat with the soldiers and supplies she has, and threatens her if she does not deal with them here, she will have Vela’s head. Dejected, Vela looks to the local tribes for recruitment and finds that they are enthusiastic to fight their shared foe.
Even with their new allies, the war was brutal and long. The Jaguar warriors were the equal of any warrior of horkos, and Vela lost a few good friends to her enemies bloody sacrifices to their gods. Nevertheless, the warriors of horkos pushed through and drove the Aztecs from their city shattering them. Vela and her warriors were celebrated as heroes by the surrounding Tribes, and were gifted gold and other gifts from the defeated Aztecs and themselves as thanks for destroying their oppressor. They took as much as they could carry to their ships, and sailed back home.
As they arrived in ashfeld Astria was waiting for them, “so the threat has been dealt with” she said coldly “yes, master” Vela replied “excellent” Astria said. The warmonger queen was not happy that the Warriors she desired had not come. But the gold Vela and her men came back with would be enough to crush chimera utterly, the oddities her disciple brought back intrigued her. She would later give vela a new title, conquistadora. And Astria threw a grand party to celebrate Vela’s triumph. But unbeknownst to them, new marauders now stalk the western shores of Heathmoor. Leaving burning villages, and heartless corpses in their wake.
And I wrote this just today.
Raven, what do you think of this story?
He might not see this but I love it
I will say, the reason knights are the villains is mostly just because the knights are affiliated with Christian Europe who interacted, normally negative, with a lot of culture, hence them getting all of the attention, the only exception was with medjay since there isn't an immediate well known equivalent in the fh factions.
But Christian Europe was absolutely fn based
Ocelotl lore would be way cooler and fitting for actual aztecs if they had been an empire conquered by the knights before cataclysm 1000 years ago, and that event allowed them to have a resurgance when the knights had to travel to Ashfield when their main land was destroyed.
But they never forgot, now they have comeback with their champion a character based on Quetzacoatl (basically Aztec jesus, a god prophesied to return in Aztec myth).
This time as conquerors, instead of the conquered.
(im mexican, that lore would be so badass)
I can probably get a job at Ubi, be an inside man at the local headquarters, give me the word Raven
WHO CARES ABOUT THE RAVEN'S SAY SO GO THERE NOW FOR THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE LORE
Yeahhhh, I am at least hoping they will fix the lore when the hero releases too, like, in my opinion when I think of an Aztec warrior in For Honor, I think someone who has noble intentions to defend their homeland and even counterattack, but also would be willing to do brutal stuff for that, with sacrifices and such, it gives a really more morally grey look to them, ever since Medjay and Afeera all warriors we get feel one dimensional in their moral aspects, and it's why I headcanon my own hero OC stories as different from that because eh it feels better
I think this lore would be fine, if it wasn't so drawn out. If there was some huge cataclysmic event, and the background to it was "This group stole from other cultures and brought about their ire" it'd be totally fine. It's just that the lore feels very stuck in place. Like we've been in the same year or so ingame, instead of progressing.
Playing devils advocate, maybe the lore sucks cause the budget on a game like for honor is probably bot a priority for Ubisoft.
Ngl though that short sunmary of what you thought the lorencould be was fire and hyped me up
Interesting approach instead of this very stereotypical wheel of vengeance we’ve already seen like… idk… EVERY MEDIA KNOWN TO HUMANKIND!!!!! And calling it “the best story we’ve ever created” boi isn’t that the most laziest sh*t I’ve ever heard someone saying on a Developer live stream (Warrior’s Den in this case) smh. Atleast your approach seems somewhat more interesting and something this company could work off of, but then again, it’s Ubisoft so why do we even bother to expect from them in terms of great story telling.. it’s also kinda weird that this wheel came right after Pirate who atleast had more flaws in her backstory that she’s clearly not out for vengeance, she is the most free-spirited Outlander, she goes wherever she pleases, takes whatever she can get her hands on and holds no grudge or loyalty to ANY faction neither in this war between Horkos and Chimera so she’s basically very neutral (despite that she already met Astrea in the past but it doesn’t mean that she’s forever loyal to her) like c’mon Ubisoft bring more flaws to the character’s’ backstory. 😑🙄
What a statement.
Ubisoft: Raven, this might be your beat video yet.
I'm looking forward to your review of the Vela story they made, I know just form what I read that I"m not too impressed with her personality, not that I should expect any different.
Those stories you came up with are just so much better and believable.
Also I think that's why the Wu Lin introduction was great. The Wu Lin were the ones who attacked first and it left the other factions shaken
Damn dude. You got me excited for the story’s you thought of overnight
Always amazes me how the christian warrior inspired characters end up being the evil bad guys.
This season is just the spanish black legend.
The human sacrifices will stop.
The for honor writing staff should hire this man.
I've been wanting to do this for a long time, maybe it's a big comment but... that's it, read who's willing to waste a little time.
Amidst the great universe of For honor and its character skins, I came to realize it and I believe that many of the people who are here also realize this. I started to think for myself an alternative version of the skins lore.
Ramiel: I'm a big fan of his lore, but it combines well with mysticism, making this first warden actually a legend passed down through generations of knights that came over time. I didn't think to change it, but for me to take it as something that really happened, I think it's overkill.
Bolthorn: Now things start to get interesting, at first I thought the raider would more or less serve as an addendum to the past of for honor. I wanted Bolthorn to be a Viking from ancient times, or as Apollyon talks about in the campaign like true Viking warriors. I thought Bolthorn might be one of those warriors, but on one of his forays around the world he came across an empire rich in magical artifacts and huge pyramids. Bolthorn and his crew would hunt for this treasure in search of wealth, but would be trapped in one of the pyramids' traps and die there. Decades later their remains would be found by the Medjay. But while those Vikings stayed dead, they weren't either. Affected by a curse on the bracelets that gave them eternal life. Medjay could not contain the Vikings' bravery and this caused them to escape and seek their past lives in Heathmor. Then Medjay would have to undo his mistake of releasing them. Bolthorn's death impacted heavily on his appearance, he would have been a heavily mailed viking in chainmail but some decaying parts of his body would be on display and being held up by the curse.
Meiko: I like her lore, I won't change anything about it.
Ravier (Bolthorn's lore 2.0): There would be stories across Heathmor that people are being attacked and pillaged in villages and roads fleeing Horkos' conflict with the Chimiera. Curious about what is causing such an act, Astrea asks Ravier to find out who is doing this. At the end of the day Ravier finds a new empire on the rise that would be robbing and plundering from both factions. Along the way Ravier also discovers that Holden has also sent his envoy on the same quest, Daubeny. Instead of fighting each other, they make a temporary truce and try to somehow diplomatically try to convince Sultana to join one of the factions. She refuses and on top of that curses both messengers of being unable to maintain control over their lands, and that the Sultana would do that, becoming the true governess of Heathmor. Seeing that she could become a real threat to both factions, Ravier and Daubeny team up to invade Sultana's palace, revealing a new breach map, in which the commander is Sultana and the new hero is Afeera. In the end, they win and Ravier discovers the reason for the rise of that empire, the sphere of destiny. She steals it for the sake of Horkos and Astrea.
Pirate skin (I don't remember her name sorry): I like and dislike her lore, I just wish the reason for the inquisition was different, that instead of fanatics of relics, they were religious fanatics. In the story mode Apollyon mentions the Roman empire where the centurions came from, I wanted the lore of this skin to expand this empire, hunting all those against the religion that the empire uses. Serving as a control militia for things that deviated from standards, because for the empire, whoever was the winner of the dispute between the two factions would only serve the emperor in the end.
Warmonger skin: Raven did a great job, but perhaps the inquisition against the Aztecs could have been sent by the empire I mentioned earlier, in search of wealth and the will to end these cannibals.
Anyway ... as she said it was going to be long, thank you very much to everyone who reads this comment and takes care, drink water.
I’d rather make the Aztec empire completely unique in the fact that it’s the Only outlander that’s located in Heathmoor in the form of it being an enclave in the Myre specifically.
Where the Aztec empire has fought against invading yet lost and confused members of each faction thus knowing their cultures, language and so forth.
As well as sacrificing unworthy victims that stroll in and completely assimilating the rest that are worthy in combat (explains why they are multiracial) they manage to be hidden like the Kyoshin and Horkos factions until one day a major horkos faction spear headed by the conquistador invades the city of gold.
It’s slightly lopsided to horkos but when chimera steps in the tide of battle turns to their favor and they thwart the attempt.
Thankful for Chimera’s help but being similar to horkos in nature they take a more neutral stance and offer up said assimilated warriors into the ranks of Chimera.
Thus the Aztecs join the fight.
I know the For Honor map is not the same as the world map but I hope Aztecs get their own faction. Currently the outlander faction makes sense geographically according to their region around the Mediterranean sea. The pirate is a little bit off but it could be a Mediterranean sea pirate (maybe Italian), Egypt is south of the sea, and the Middle East being east of it. If the Aztec is grouped in with the outlander faction and solely based on the idea of similar conflict within the For Honor lore then they missed a totally better concept and lore to the game while also maintaining real life geography.
The pirate is the way she is mostly so they could re-use Wu Lin voiceovers.
Im seriously with you there man.. there is some kind of heart put into new season.. but not the whole heart I feel.
If I had the power, Raven Knight would be the lead writer for the game
I would like to add that what defeated the Aztecs was not the Conquistadores nor the resentful tribes that didnt want to pay outrageous tribute anymore. It was smallpox and other diseases brough on the conquista which wiped about 80% of them (between 10-15 million). No, the aztecs were not "good" people, but they were only defeated after a huge epidemic and betrayal from rival tribes. And well, we all know that the spanish were even a worse tyrant.
your version of conquistador story is so fucking good tho
"No one cares about the lore"
Well, I do.
Or rather I would, but I often find it so dissapointing or bland that I just dont see the worth in following it.
I read all the little pieces of lore we get with the daily orders when theres an event. In fact, on multiple occasions they have peaked my interest. Most recently, they somewhat eluded to how Daunbeney might actually end up doing something soon. I found that intriguing.
Unfortunately, if the past is anything to go by, they are either going to do something boring with this thread, or they just won't follow up on it at all.
FH writers in the past were good imo. But for years now I've been indifferent to the writing, and I sometimes feel the writers just misunderstand or dont get what the previous writers were trying to do. Or worse, they just ignore/forget about what has been done previously, be it by the previous writers or the current ones.
Im not gonna be happy with the hero skins until we get an actual berserker style skin for berserker
The worst part of the Outlanders is that they keep adding heroes from cultures no one cares about instead of adding a Spartan first
What I personaly think is this. The aztac were the obsidian warriors in the story of ramiel. Think about it the aztac used obsidian blades for there "swords" sow for game lore would make sense to actuely give it that precies twist and also put them in obsidian armor. Then the new skin figuerd out were the obsidian warriors went after the cataclysime and went there sow they can steal the gold that was first stolen from heatmore to begin with making it a revenge story. If that's the way the story is about to go then I would say that's a pretty darn good story.
Several issues with that theory:
1.) In the lore that's been released, Vela refers to 'atrocities she committed,' implying that she wasn't stealing 'back' anything. Instead she did horrible things to take it.
2.) While the Aztecs used obsidian blades, obsidian armor is impossible to craft, as obsidian is glass and cannot be forged into armor.
3.) It doesn't explain why the aztecs didn't stay after they defeated Ramiel.
@@RavenKnightYT 1 splint armor doesn't need to be forged just atteched to something, I'm pretty sure they never said it was plate armor or do I remeber wrong. 2 true, but that is why it would be such a twist if she actuely had a good reason to do them. 3 vikings diden't always settel in the places they conquerd why wouldn't they go back to where they came from with the loot they took. I get your points, but they don't have to be
And I think the obsidian was referring to jet black armor.
Imagine instead if someone invading the mongol empire the mongol empire just shows up wrecks their entire world
RAVEN THEY TOOK MY ABUELLOS WHOLE EMPIRE DAWG!
I view the outlanders as guest characters like mortal kombat
I've been hoping you'd mention this overused lore. because I'm starting to get tired of the knights being the bad guys and how that they are the catalyst for every outlander aside from the pirate. Especially now that the formula is nothing but horkos goes to this place, horkos steals or kills something, new hero comes over pissed off
They arent the catalyst for Medjay too. Thats Vikings fault
@@Luna.Tenebra i was leaving the Medjay out for that reason but i can see how i did make a over generalization so thank you for pointing that out.
Part of me wonders if they're kinda' winding down For Honor in terms of overall lore and focusing more on like I guess "chivalric highlights." By that I mean how many of us wanted like a Meso-American hero or wanted for For Honor to touch on Colonialism? Just a thought maybe it's just me.
Statement: " no one cares about the lore "
My respone: "I CARE ABOUT THE LORE."
My mind is absolutely blown away you can up with there lore before we even get a chance to know what it is these videos should definitely make ubi hire you
Man Ubisoft etting. A post apocalyptic Medieval world whe they could have experienced on the idea of how these cultures could have speculatively evolved to adapt to their new world and how they all eventuLlly met and began fighting. Hate to see how lazy it’s actually gotten when in the past Ubisoft could make some pretty engaging worlds.
Wouldn't Astrea see Gryphon missing and jump on that opportunity to win the war? You've stated before that Astrea is unlike Apollyon, and wants to rule in tyranny over *just* sowing discordance, and Chimera is the enemy of that goal. Not to mention she's taken an opportunity to win the war before instead of prolonging it, like in the Battle of the Eclipse.
Horkos saving Gryphon.. that would have been a great twist.. that could even have been used in a later story with Gryphon owning Astrea...
God i put so much time into for honor. I honestly didnt know there was a story. When they added china i knew shit will go downhill
Bro really gave better lore than for honor has ever had within 2 minutes 💀💀
My hope is they twist the formula and have Chimera save said prisoner, leading to the prisoner being thankful and having him along with other warriors of his kind joining them to get vengeance against Horkos
Do they replace the writer every season?
It's a Merry-go-round
Step 1. Fire the entire writing team Step 2.Hire a competent pair of writers Step 3. Make some better lore
Inquisition being disbanded is still so dumb, glad I"m not alone in this. Nice work Raven
They should hire you for the season lore
Honestly, I love your work and this is my first time watching your video and it was recommended by havok but overall I get what you’re saying. Honestly, I wish the rain team would do better with the game, especially with the cultures are introducing and actually be historically at least try to be historically accurate like make other cultures seem like they’re doing something bad and return it makes it makes Herkos I’m not sure if I spelled that right, even though as much as they are sort of like the villain, and this time, they are considered the victim, or I also like the part where you mentioned how Griffin gets kidnapped and we have to go save them and honestly I would love to see another breach map
Honestly, I wish they did something better with the Aztecs. Honestly I love the Astec culture and as much as I don’t agree with what they did, I honestly love it, and I still love that the fact they were leasing a Astec warrior type of hero. I just wish they did better with the Lord this time . But keep up the awesome work I’m not sure if you will see this comment but honestly, I love your work so far and I’ll try my best to watch all of your old videos but keep up the work much love
P.S. sorry if there’s any misspelling lol
You should be hired on as a writer
This really open my eyes to the law and how shallow that it's truly become.
Luckily the next hero is a viking and we probably won't get an outlander next year because they'll have 4 heroes. For honor kinda skirts around with realism. It's a very hyper fantastical setting now. For honor up to the cataclysm is identical to ours aside from dragons and detiys who are legends and myths in our world but real in for honor. Once the cataclysm happens history diverges and becomes the for honor world. Technically for honor could be set in the 21st centrey as the cataclysm happens around the 1100s and apolyon says a thousand years of war. Horkos is pretty much for honors way of saying because history spilt after the cataclysm that Horkos did stuff. In real history the spainish found the aztecs and talked to them for a while before eventually stealing stuff. For honor history aztecs get ganged up on by the entire eastern hemisphere 🤣
How long before you try and get hired at ubisofts for honor branch?
It is always such a pleasure to hear how passionate you are about not only this game but history as a whole! I just wish ubisoft would take a page out of your book.
I think woke politics might have something to do with why the factions always attack the outlanders first
Not really. If you Look back in history a lot of beef came from Christian countrys (which is basically the Knight faction)
@@Luna.Tenebra That was standard behaviour pretty much everywhere in the world. It's europe that gets the shit though
@@Hadras7094 true but Europe had the biggest "culture f*ck" count out of anyone
You need to be hired at Ubisoft for FH
Ubisoft, hire this man!!!
May God bless all of you
You lost ubisoft at "new map" and "lore depth".
If someone actually complains that the lore "does not matter" then why are they watching this channel?
To me that seems like a good chunk of your For Honor content, Mr. Raven.
Dayum! I'd say there was no need to roast the writers this much, but I'd be lying if I did tbh. They are doing lazy work for this season, and then they have the audacity of bragging about how good the lore is going to be? Really? I gotta say, I like your alternative a lot more, but I fear one of the suits at PR could see it and say it's a bit too much... and that would be completely ridiculous, considering the kind of game this is.
Anyway, nice work Raven. Have a pat on the back from my part, and let's just hope the writers can come up with something better mid-season at least. Not gonna lie, these recent seasons are making me miss the previous lead writer, overabundance of magic rocks and all considered.
thank the Lord we are getting a Wulin and Viking seasons as seasons 3 and 4
You would be an excellent writer for the lore, they should hire you
Beyond a sad state!!! HAR HAR HAR HAR BADDUCKADOOK HEEP EEP HEEP EEPBLABABADADADOOP HONK HONK SQUEEEEEEEE
Can't wait to crush some scruffy conquistador skulls and put a comically high pitched voice mocking them saying "we beat yeww!", don't that ring a bell.
For honor hire this guy
We also keep getting new hero’s but I would love to see new maps start to show up
Raven, I fucking love you
For the outlanders story, why didn't they just said that Pirate created a "crew of missfits".
They travel accross the seven seas, can't they have foreign warriors on their ships ?
As much as i dislike the lore of for honor these days. Lore of the these outlanders is just an excuse for these warriors to be fighting in this game and so far its just fine with me. Not necessarily a good thing, but just fine.
bruh why isn't ubisoft hiring uuuu
Conquistador vela title uses the wrong spanish title. It should be Conquistadora
I'll be honest, I thought the new hero skin would be lawbringer, considering the rework in progress. If I had to shoot an idea, what about a descendant of the lawbringer Apollyon killed in retaliation for them abandoning her village? On a sort of journey to redeem his linage? Idk, I'm not a writer, but it would be something different at least
Aztec were "litterally" the fucking Mordor man. They were SO freaking evil they used blood to make bricks and buil stuff With it lmao
Fr, the Aztec empire was proof that some cultures genuinely are lesser than Others, from a Moral standpoint at least.
@@inserisciunnome strong take but understandable. When we talk about Aztec at least
That doesn't mean they are evil they just have different standards either way they weren't good by today's standards but they weren't evil in their eyes they believed they were doing the right thing
@@derp-7274 yeah, to be completely Fair to them, they believed if they didn't sacrifice people to the Sun God, It Would grow weaker, so the Moon would kill It and then eat the Earth whole.
Plus, they saw sacrifice as an Honor.
Still, even with that in mind, its worth noting they sacrificed the children Who cried the most by _cutting Their vertebrae_ (they believed the more a child sacrifice cried = the more It would Rain, so they went out of Their way to MAKE Them cry), and in One of Their annual festivities, they would choose a woman from One of Their subjected tribes to sacrifice, tease her for four days about the fact She was going to be sacrificed, beating her if She dared to cry or even Just NOT to smile, and then actually sacrifice her.
To add to that, this Ritual originates from One of Their kings beeing given a princess in marriage, princess he then *skinned, and Wore as a full body suit.*
I.. admire Aztec society for how unique and uniquely Fair to its Subjects It was, even to the Slaves, but Their rituals were the kind of tales you would hear from a soul Who somehow escaped the pits of hell as It recounted its stay there.
@@derp-7274weird take. Some germans also thought that the stuff they were doing in the Timespan of WW2 was fine. That isnt a good excuse