The Samurai: A Faction in Need of Expansion
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- We're back with another lore discussion video. Today we're talking about the samurai and the big issue they suffer from: lack of presence and, in general, being too reactionary rather than inciting. None of their lore has them enacting anything or taking a definitive role in the lore. They exist to respond to things rather than actually be a meaningful force in Heathmoor. We need to change that. In my concept for a new year, the samurai begin expanding beyond the Myre to secure more territory, and a massive threat to Heathmoor is both started and stopped by the samurai.
The last time we hear from Sakura is her taking part in the battle against chimera that destroyed the Kyoshins temple. Bring her back ubi she's cool!
Ubisoft: No,we don’t care just give money!!!
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Damn, I'd probably still be playing this game if you were in charge of the writing.
i totally agree. samurai needs to have a bigger and better expansion. weather it be lore focused or character focused. we need something to revamp the whole faction all together. i do love the faction but it’s dry.
Omggggg, just finished the vid, how has ubi NOT scouted you for lore writings yet!
Thank you for your vid. Have a good day.
Because most game company are lazy.
admittedly the only reason they were able to rally seijuro was BECAUSE of the numbers problem, i like to think that the samurai (if they can avoid it) hate to kill their own, just because again with how few of them there are, every hand is a blade to protect whats left (also i think its worth mentioning, if my memory serves there are two hitokiri, Yato and Sakura, and it was Yato that actually aligned with Horkos, Sakura stayed with Chimera but she didnt have much of a role there either)
as a member of the samurai faction i am absolutely in love with the samurai year you created
Can't wait for you to take on the Vikings. You should tap into the mystery surrounding their journey across the sea, and their eventual return. It actually sounds pretty similar to their attempts at settling Greenland. Maybe create characters inspired by legends like Sjkoldr, the mythical first king of Denmark, or play on the fact that Vikings liked to infamously embellish tales of their exploits. There's so much Ubisoft has failed to capitalize on with the Vikings, outside of Bolthorn and his little tiff with Neferkha.
I was recently replaying the campaign specifically the viking mission where they land on the samurai’s territory with boats. there where these bot hero’s who had shields and a katana. And it made me realize they dont have a single Shield hero.
This is why I would have made the Ocelotl the only outlander completely native to the very southern part of the Myre, and the samurai in the same leu of the alliance of Vikings and samurai and the black prior (raven missed this but it was not highlighted enough but yes: until The truce of wyverndale the samurai actually went on the offensive during the year of the harbinger) lead a rouge faction of knight mercenaries to get rid of this possible threat, it would not entirely eliminate the knights as a
“Bad guy” faction but would make them the mercenary meat shield for the samurai, who as of now have held onto their new home for quite a while and don’t like intruders.adding in this new world the Aztec empire still sacrifices prisoners of war and is expansionist to a fault, only trying to wait for this long to catch the samurai and only them off guard to reclaim their jungles form the invaders with no home of their own would make for a very interesting conflict. The samurai are the aggressors but not completely without reason, and the Aztecs though justified in retaliating take it way too care and thus become anti villains rather then heros.
This time let’s make the Vikings and samurai flat out discover new outlander factions in their lands and have conflict with them, the samurai can fight Zulu warriors that use dual sword spears. The Vikings can discover a Celtic tribe that uses a two handed falx that though peaceful is forced into the war, but in the vein of pirate go rouge from the Vikings and join the outlanders.
It would expand for honors cultures and people and make heathmoor feel a lot more older and complex.
That the three staring factions are no more younger to these lands then the Wu Lin and outlanders they so spurn.
Ayu is not the leader of the myre anymore, if you remember, in the lore recap, when talking about the truce of wiverndale they clearly said and showed that the leader is a male kensei
It would be cool to see a Shugoki who feels being super slow as a weakness so he decides to become like a god of war/destruction or something. This leads to him getting really buff, wielding two shorter kanabos, and wearing an even more threatening Oni mask.
Could also make him the martial arts only character people want so much.
What I really liked about this idea was that the fantasy elements didn't just spring up out of nowhere, never mentioned before or since.
Juat wanted to add more to the Sohei hero idea. Because you mentioned how they've been trained in the ways of the Kyoshin, i think a better weapon choice would be the tachi. I say this because like the Kyoshin, the Sohei would have a sheath to complement the tachi. However, unlike Kyoshin who uses the kaze stance in a defensive manner, the Sohei sheaths his tachi in an offensive stance similar to Highlander. Here, Sohei has three options that lead into a chain. He can either throw a fast left heavy, a slower undodgable top heavy, or throw a bash that grants a free light attack. Just an idea to add, i really love this hero idea.
I love the idea of seeing a new Vanguard coming into the Samurai class, specially with the Sohei being used cause seeing a more Samurai version of the Shaolin would be interesting since Bhuddism also effected Japan. Personally would also love to see the Japanese flail come into the game.
Mmmmm, Nagamaki. hopefully we do get a hero that uses this weapon one day
I've been wanting a nagamaki hero for a few years now. It is pretty rarely depicted in gaming/shows so I hope the next samurai we get uses it
@@Kurt20051YT Agreed, and it being a vanguard makes a lot of sense as well I think, and the samurai are due for another Vanguard
i would love to a hero with that blade very munch
well let's hope that's what they are going for with the new hero ~~
The character you chose aged to like wine Ironically.
Hearing a character or faction being called weebs is funny a few times but it'll be old after awhile
Seeing sohei monks in for honor would be sick
Raven Knight, what if they incorporated Ryomen Sukuna from the Heian Period in his two face and four armed form as an event? Using the actual myth as inspiration for the event, such as him being a ruler, but rumors spread of him being a two faced and four armed demon. They could treat him as a sort of yokai similar to Nioh 2.
While its true that seijuro got spared, it had a reason (becouse his warriors are really strong and will only follow seijuro) but there is also other bad minor daimio who get kill, in ayu's mission she kills three other daimios who apollyon let loose along ayu becouse they are all ruthless and assholes who wont cooperate with each other, wich leads to that point you mentioned of ayu's bringing the other clans together too easily, becouse she killed the daimios of said clans leaving no other warrior of the same rank as ayu and lets be honest, the other daimios are probably not the nicest bosses to work under so their troops decide to follow ayu becouse she seem to know what she's doing. That being said your ideas are relly cool, very interesting like all your videos. Looking forward to a viking video.
“I believe the Samurai need an expansion.”
*Meanwhile Vikings:*
We'll get to them. Patience.
@@RavenKnightYTI would love sohei warrior monks that would be awesome
@@RavenKnightYT Understandable. Have a great day.
I always got the feeling that the ForHonor writers are Samurai culture fanatics. I personally would prefer if they made all the factions morally gray. Like all the factions have person that causes great chaos but there will also be one that would fix it.
I heard your ideas for creating new events or fictional stories that are almost 100% consistent with the history and I realized that ubisoft should hire you as a story writer
Love the concept! Alternatively, I think having a Gashadokuro as the big bad youkai would also make a lot of sense for the last two seasons, since the Gashadokuro is made out of the bones of those who fell on the battlefield and were not properly buried, something which would perhaps be in great supply due to the civil war.
I really enjoy the Sohe! I love the Supernatural feel for an entire year, while still respecting the culture it comes from
So I know this has nothing to do with the Samurai but Raven could you possibly do a Video or something about the possibility of a Kievan based Faction in For Honor, You seem to be the best person to do this and I have often wondered what they could bring to Heathmoor if Ubi decided to add them
Glad you mentioned the nagamaki and sohei/ikko-ikki. I've been wanting a nagamaki hero for years now. I thought maybe it could be Ayu, since they were adding heroes from the story (gryphon+warmonger), and could use a nagamaki (since it's similar to Ayu's nodachi). The armor could be a mix of kensei and orochi's armor or have historically accurate sets based off of tosei gosoku and o-yoroi
You definitely should talk about the crusades!!
This is simply amazing . I love the new hero concept and I’d main Tf out of them.
Awesome video as always. This one earned you another sub, lol. Looking forward to future posts, hopefully doing similar ideas involving the Vikings, and Wu-Lin. The Wu-Lin imo are criminally underutilized after their introduction, and have tons of heroes and history that could be added to expand the lore. Likewise the Vikings seem like they’re being used as little more than mindless brutes, much akin to the Orcs from Warhammer, only concerned with fighting. Would love to see more heroes for the Wu-Lin and more depth to the Vikings.
Actually, not sure if you've seen it, but I already did a video like this on the Wu Lin. :) If you're interested, I recommend giving it a look.
Lol. I just subbed so I haven’t been through your library. I will definitely check that out. Thanks!
The VaatiVidya of For Honor
Theory for next year of FH: Since we are getting our first Viking hero since Year 3 at the end of the year, I assume we will get another outlander [Or two] and another Samurai, we have not heard about the Samurai in a while, but the same goes for the Vikings.
Also at this point just apply to write the story for future For Honor seasons, you are doing a better job than the people working on it at the moment.
Been thinking about this for a while. Well-formulated.
Also, sick concepts!
If one Person should be hired as a writer its you Sir. Keep up the good work and thanks for your time and thoughts, big respect
Are you hearing this Ubisoft are you listening?!
Babe wake up, new ravenknight video just dropped.
Top tier thinking and world-building
Raven singlehandedly made the best For Honor season ever... UBISOFT, HIRE THIS MAN
In my opinion Nagamaki is exactly the kind of weapon I would want for a samurai hero
Awesome ideas. I'm a huge fan of the Nioh games so I recognised a lot of your references to Japanese folklore and history.
another W to the collection good sir
Yet another amazing concept from you, Raven, especially the hero concept.
I’ve been waiting for a Nagamaki hero since I heard of hitokiri coming to for honor
Ubisoft hire this man already😂
I heard deflect into guard break...with no reflex gaurd?
That will either be a pain or a joy
That was kind of my response to kyoshin and pirate: "I'll either love you two or hate your very guts."
@RavenKnightYT despite that I'm pretty sure someone somewhere will love it
Great video Raven.
This is an amazing idea
Samurai are in fact, more than anime, but try making your average ganing appreciate Japanese culture for anything other than anime and making fun of weebs. Heck I main samurai on FF14 and I haven’t met a single other person on that game who likes samurai because of Japanese culture other than anime. Same for FH and kioshin. Main him rather than orochi because he has a scabbard and i hate the spammy play of orochi
You Play kyoshin because of japanese culture
I Play him because of the basket helmet
We are Not the same
4:43 Thats a very angry Tiandi
I'd be back to the game so fast if it structured its years like you describe them Raven.
Great video, I wonder what you'll do for the vikings
This is my favorite series
Not The Samurai The Samurai Has So Many Heroes The Outlander Needs More Epic Hero’s 🔥🔥🔥
This is a video dedicated to the samurai. I'm going to propose samurai heroes.
Greetings
As a Raphaël, I love your ideas😂
Wait, so what would new heroes be like?
"Samurai are too anime, we should do better than that"
*1st new samurai map*...Beach episode lol
Ah, but as any good anime fan knows: the beach episode must be saved for at least halfway through the series. Therefore, it would be wiser to save the beach episode for the second or third season. ;)
Ubisoft, hire this man asap no Ricky
Well well well
These "roadmaps" sound more thrilling than what Ubi have given lately, but I'm quite interested in what the new Viking hero will be.
this video and ideas sound really cool. I just wish if we ever got events like this that ubi would try somthing like a coop story mission game mode to push some of the new story stuff like this. as someone who has been playing since beta ive just had no interest in the story events since its really been for me at least just been text descriptions on a gamemode. for me it feels lke ubi hasnt really tried to push anything super story related since the vortiger season witch is a shame for me because i used to be kinda invested in the story of for honor. i wanna add holden crosses presenance back in the universe is really cool but i feel we have really lost alot of the charm since the days of playing the campaign. everything aside i loved the video i wish i had even heard of anything that was going on with in the for honor universe because all because all these event youve described are really cool!
Seijuro did rebelled against ayu after apollyon's death, and was defeated and killed.
I’d rather just play a game designed by The Raven Knight
i think with all the Yokai stuff in this hypothetical year an unconventional gamemode that is 8 player PvE horde type mode would be really cool
For Honor lore is actually pretty decent
I want ANOTHER heavy character a Tank like the shugoki
Huh, so the next Samari should be the Sohei huh? hmmmmmmm :)
I applaud the creativity. I’ll take anything fresh since the Samurai are very unloved.
I’d love to see a kyoshin skin that’s basically ultra instinct effect with a goku garb
I'd be completely fine with the samurai staying as a reactive faction but there needs to be far more conflict amongst the other clans, so when another faction does inevitably show up, their reaction to that invader is already alot more motivated, not to mention that once they've repelled the enemy, certain clans may have suffered more than others in the fighting and calling for more desperate actions to keep themselves alive.
It's already been told in the lore that the samurai say they're at peace, but to everyone else it just looks like constant warfare, and that's the problem. It's SAID in the lore, not shown.
you should include Goguryeo, Baekje and Silla influence too, after all japan was their vassal state for their first millennia
Raven, keep giving me this delicious gooodnesss.
So based on this analysis the samurai is in fact the best team. Both in the story and in gameplay.
The way I see it is each faction fights in their own styles.
Knights are more upfront, parry hungry.
Vikings are more hit hard and fast.
Samurai are more technical fighters and flexibility.
Wulin is kinda both knight and samurai but really are more flowing.
Outlanders well these guys are just here. Honestly they could have been added to the other factions but I can see why they try to keep it mostly just 3 factions (sorry Wulin)
sir you and Slanderous need to collaborate and create For Honor 2 pls
What a coincidence, i just joined yesterday and picked this faction after seeing how terrible it has performed.
Used to be a knight when i played on xbox back in 2017, but my crusading days are over.
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I dunno, I wanna see a Samurai hero with a Tinbe Rochin rather than the Sohei, from the Ryukyu Kingdom (modern day Okinawa)
Ubisoft needs to hire you asap!
11:19 why would you do that
You know he spitin when you realize hitkiris axe Is not historically accurate
They really should do an Imjin War themed season to replicate the animosity between the Chinese/Koreans and the Japanese. It would kill two birds with one stone and give culture and character to both the Wu Lin and Samurai. But k owing Ubisoft, it won't ever happen because they are cowards too afraid to actually represent the true culture of the factions. Just more of the same shitty Marvel esque "AND THEN HORKOS DID THIS" nonsense that the children in charge of their writing team can never let go of.
yesss finaly
14:23 ok no disrespect but doesnt zanhu use that weapon?
Zhan Hu uses a different weapon called a changdao. That weapon in the video is a nagamaki.
Japan did try to invade Korea and fought against Chinese forces multiple times. They were not invaders usually, but it did happen, and it's not like historical accuracy is a concern here (just look at their *WOODEN* armor for god's sake).
Let's also take into account that Japan is known historically to adapt really fast when foreign influence is inevitable, as they did by the end of the 19th century; given how close European forces are to them in this universe, actively stalking them and growing stronger by the day, the Samurai would undoubtedly develop better technology and attempt to at least take some more land for themselves.
My friend you're very smart😁 God Bless you and your family and I hope Jesus Guides you in your goal😁
Hey raven knight what about a ice demon from japan?? Pleas respond if you like the idea
Ubisoft should just hire you already, so far Ubisoft is neglecting a lot of potential and just leaving so much out which is sad.
Battôjutsu samurai hero pls ubi !!
Batto jutsu would be very hard to do. Since batto would only be useful for a first strike kinda like that one orochi move (idk what it is called). Bow that I think of it, it is kinda weird that orochi doesn't have a sheath (maybe a rework). Probably would be more smart to get a hero with a spear/Yari, nagamaki, or small shield+something would make more sense. But if they somehow pull it off, it will be fucking cool.
Some wildcard moveset/weapons would be:
Tonfa (karate), a juijutsu/grappling based character with a tanto or wakizashi. Katana and pistol/revolver (since pirate only has a gun), Jo (short stick) or three section staff (could also be wulin) and tsurugi/straight bronze sword (could be a legend type character).
If only Ubisoft were as interested as you are
Expansion. Yeah, every faction in this game needed an expansion, especially Wu Lin. But devs decided to add 5 wheel to this stumbling cart. And threw away draconite. Literally one year of lore that could be used for further lore, maps, heroes, mechanics and etc is wasted.
Yeah I think that draconite wasn't a mistake hate me for this
The vikings haven’t had anything for like 2 and a half years…
Nothing since bolthorn
And that was before the medjay existed
And I will discuss the vikings when I get to their video...patience.
I CANT HEAR ANYTHING
Sounds like a problem on your end. No one else has told me that.
"imagine telling the story of warhammer from the views of a pacifist faction that doesnt want war"
no one tell him about the tau
That was my point. No one liked the Tau when first released. They were too out of place.
@RavenKnightYT oh, my bad. but yeah, the tau are just a stupid concept for an omega grimdark setting like 40k where everyone's always at war, the tau literally almost got wiped out by the imperium and only stopped because of a hive fleet
We still dont have the axe / shield viking & the next hero will be a woman
You do realize meiko’s and all of year six’s stories were legends and myths from the past right? Even raviers story is probably just an over exaggerated rumour about the her assassination of Arabia’s sultana. The most we need when it comes getting the samurai to come out of the myre is just one nobunaga like figure to unify the myre to expand. Much like the belief in the militaristic utopia you mentioned in the “horkos is a crutch” video.
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Yes I'm aware they are "legends," however we know Ravier is real since she took part in the Inquisition events. So...yeah we know she was real. The others are speculation.
But even if they are only legends, it doesn't detract from my point.
@@RavenKnightYT Yeah, I agree with most of the things you’re talking about. I just think all the yokai stuff is a bit too far in the fantasy direction. I mean, hell, I stoped playing For Honor in year 6 because the devs weren’t clear on whether the fantasy elements were real or not. But that’s just my opinion that caused me to stop playing I’m sure some people really enjoyed the Yokai and other fantasy stuff.
I always took the fantastical elements as retellings of past events told through a mythological lens.
Honestly this idea is actually great? Good luck with getting the devs to actually listen to any of this. Also for god's sake lets not do the gender lock for the new warrior.
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