Otto Hightower's Secret Plan is Daeron Targaryen! EXPLAINED | House of the Dragon

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  • Otto Hightower's secret plan is Alicent's hidden son, one we have not seen yet. For more than three decades, while the Targaryens enjoyed power and pleasures, and while their desires were poured out in war, or in dreams and prophecies, one person led the Seven Kingdoms and maintained a prosperity the realm had never seen before. Otto Hightower became the ghost ruler of the last three decades, being responsible for keeping the Seven Kingdoms united, and making the best economic and military decisions for the crown.
    But even though Otto Hightower had all the power in the world in his hands, he wanted to ensure that the kingdom would survive his own absence. In the first season of House of the Dragon, we heard Otto say that the gods have not made a man who does not have the patience for absolute power, and perhaps, Otto was reflecting himself in that thought, because Otto is a man who has been in power for over thirty years, waiting for the moment when he can acquire that absolute power.
    However, in the second episode of the second season of House of the Dragon, we saw how Ser Otto's plans were ruined, after his grandson started making very bad decisions as king. Could it be that Otto has finally lost all his power? What would you think if I told you that Otto still has a card up his sleeve? Could it be a plan to position a new king? Today we are going to talk about Otto Hightower's secret plan. His hidden grandson, Daeron Targaryen. And for more videos from the universe of A Song of Ice and Fire, don't forget to subscribe to this channel.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 151

  • @EtienneakaBags
    @EtienneakaBags 2 місяці тому +8

    Team Black. House Targaryen. Rhaenyra was the chosen heir and she wants what’s best for the realm unlike any of the Greens.

  • @TheMrPeteChannel
    @TheMrPeteChannel 3 місяці тому +19

    Team Green! Why? We don't kill sleeping children!

    • @cincyfanjunglecity9871
      @cincyfanjunglecity9871 3 місяці тому +2

      They would if it came down to it. Don’t put it past anyone in that world when it comes to power.

    • @lekprath
      @lekprath 3 місяці тому +1

      @@cincyfanjunglecity9871 Error were made. Not to blame the Black.

    • @akeemguy7331
      @akeemguy7331 3 місяці тому

      nah you just abandon them..
      What about Aegon other son?

    • @Woodsywoodsy-sj9qy
      @Woodsywoodsy-sj9qy 3 місяці тому

      Duh, they meant to kill aegon or his brother. It was down to bloods & cheese hacking the head off while the mother is running out the room.

    • @PSLGODSEdits9775
      @PSLGODSEdits9775 3 місяці тому

      ​@@akeemguy7331show only never happend in books and show aegin does not know about it

  • @Jjrdn10
    @Jjrdn10 3 місяці тому +22

    Definitely for the Black and the rightful aire to the throne

  • @lekprath
    @lekprath 3 місяці тому +42

    I’m with the black. With respect of late king Viserys.

  • @PhoenixRising2704
    @PhoenixRising2704 3 місяці тому +29

    Team black. Coz Reanera was chosen as heir by king Viseris before dying.

    • @akeemguy7331
      @akeemguy7331 3 місяці тому +2

      100% and it's that simple for me..

    • @atulmudgal3125
      @atulmudgal3125 3 місяці тому

      But all her sons are bastards !

    • @brandonsalisbury7182
      @brandonsalisbury7182 3 місяці тому +2

      @@akeemguy7331I don’t go with side simply because each one has characters I enjoy reading/watching! For me it’s just seeing it for what it is….the start of the eventual destruction of the most powerful house! It become a war (like most real life ones) that only led to tragedy for everyone! I am enjoying watching its adaptation to the silver screen but it’s kinda sad too!

  • @malloywest8766
    @malloywest8766 3 місяці тому +6

    Wow, great information..........got me thinking way more! Hope to see all this unfold!

  • @sharonkaysnowton
    @sharonkaysnowton 3 місяці тому +21

    I am with Queen Rhaenyra and the Black- She is the rightful heir to the throne. Her father wished it, and made it so. All those who pledged honor to her should keep their oath. And everybody, and I mean everyboday in the Seven Kingdoms knows that Aemon and Aegon are crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy. Aemon is a serious alcoholic. Aegon is a hot head. Now, I do like Daeron Targaryen, but, he is softer and more calmer. The King needs a strength of steel, like the brother of King Vasyrus. Dameon is steel. He would have made a great king.

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 3 місяці тому +3

      Daeron was not soft. Did you forget he stood up to Hugh Hammer himself?

    • @newdilemma8577
      @newdilemma8577 3 місяці тому +3

      Bro daemon would be an awful king 😂

    • @sharonkaysnowton
      @sharonkaysnowton 3 місяці тому +2

      @@stew-03 You are correct. I did forget that. Thanks for reminding me.-Sharon

    • @madhavgautam2447
      @madhavgautam2447 3 місяці тому

      Typical sheep in the horde of black fans spotted.

  • @ilariocandido9770
    @ilariocandido9770 3 місяці тому +15

    Team Black, Rhaenyra seem's to be more just and is the actual chosen one for the throne. She would make a great ruler.

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 3 місяці тому

      She rules for six months and starves her own people while feasting in the Red Keep…

  • @Clan.Bourbon
    @Clan.Bourbon 3 місяці тому +39

    I support Queen Rhaenyra, the rightful heir to the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, and would belong to House Stark due to the honor they keep displaying

    • @ishmael_03
      @ishmael_03 3 місяці тому +2

      She is not the rightful hair to the throne. 🤣 She was picked by her father because of his hatred towards his brother and death of his son.

  • @scipto86
    @scipto86 3 місяці тому +8

    If Otto and Daeron join the black team, that would be interesting.. Alliances between both Team Black and Green might switch around due to unforeseen circumstances.. Internal conflicts within the green side would create division within..

  • @lussygrozdeva5468
    @lussygrozdeva5468 3 місяці тому +16

    Team Black.Rhaenyra was chosen by the late king,who never changed his mind

  •  3 місяці тому +8

    Forgot all about this son! Daeryn, it seems like he might be a good ally to Rhaenyra! But then u never know, he’s a green, so he will stick to the green side!

    • @mamajodieanderson4565
      @mamajodieanderson4565 3 місяці тому +1

      I didn't even know about this son

    • @chamiverse5076
      @chamiverse5076 3 місяці тому

      daeron is loyal to his brothers and caused problems to rhaenyra

    • @d3nnisjoseph175
      @d3nnisjoseph175 3 місяці тому

      He is more loyal to his brothers

    • @bcasey2830
      @bcasey2830 3 місяці тому

      He’s VERY green, but his body is never found after the Second Battle of Tumbleton so 👀👀 (and Aegon 3 names his son Daeron sooooo) Team Black Daeron would be really cool, but I don’t think it’s happening

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 3 місяці тому

      @@bcasey2830 Why would it happen? Daeron is loyal to his brothers and Helaena.

  • @vickiewhite8227
    @vickiewhite8227 3 місяці тому +1

    I am with Team Black. It was what King Viserys wanted. Even though he went against the usual tradition of a male heir to the throne.

  • @witchhazel7451
    @witchhazel7451 3 місяці тому +1

    I am team black and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra was the legitimate and rightful heir to the throne as her father wished and decreed it. Her throne was stolen by the Hightowers, Alicent, Otto and the greens.

  • @HannieRie
    @HannieRie 3 місяці тому +8

    I'm Team Black in this war.

  • @carolbriscoe9337
    @carolbriscoe9337 3 місяці тому +2

    It will be interesting to meet this young man. Since he's not the King at the end of the War, I want to know what happened

    • @joshua6207
      @joshua6207 3 місяці тому +3

      Daeron is the most cool headed out of the 3 sons so he should work well with Otto for however long that lasts.

  • @jacktully6700
    @jacktully6700 3 місяці тому +3

    I would be in house Tully of River Run because my last name is Tully. Seems like lots of names in this universe are Irish based. We would support the Blacks becuase Reanera knows of Aegons dream.

  • @xdraconicgaming5204
    @xdraconicgaming5204 3 місяці тому +3

    Ummmmm Otto didn’t make any decisions outside of usurping the throne. He gave advice and the king made decisions. Nothing about the greens is respectable, even in the book.

  • @HannieRie
    @HannieRie 3 місяці тому +3

    Daeron seems like Otto's hidden card in this war against the blacks.

  • @mikegrace2819
    @mikegrace2819 2 місяці тому

    I’m surprised there aren’t more smug GoT lore geeks giving you a hard time

  • @DamorkaDalilla
    @DamorkaDalilla 3 місяці тому +2

    I support the Black Team because Queen Rhaenera is the True heir chosen by King Viserys & because I like her more.

  • @Kostebe26
    @Kostebe26 3 місяці тому

    I’m with Aegon only because of the wisdom of his brother Daeron. I hope producers don’t mess his story line up !

  • @CrazyJoeClark429
    @CrazyJoeClark429 2 місяці тому

    This aged well. Episode 206 Alison asked her brother had he heard from Otto. He mentioned Daeron and they talked about him. I was like whatttt! She has another child? Wow this will be a great plot twist.
    I also think Rhaena Valyrian will ride Sheep Steeler who is the dragon hiding in the Vale.

  • @jeroensomers4189
    @jeroensomers4189 3 місяці тому

    I am with team Black, because of my true love for Rhaenyra. She is the rightful heir and queen. Also, I was extremely touched by the purity of the very complex relationship between Viserys and Daemon. I want, what Viserys would've wanted.

  • @Hustle12
    @Hustle12 2 місяці тому

    The story writter meant to kill all heir of viseiris, he can make his story a masterpiece If the character of Deron was used well, after all the beautiful qualities that the character possesses, he should have had a greater and deeper role in healing the Seven Kingdoms from the effects of the war, caring for Rhaenyra’s son, and fulfilling the desire of his father the king aegon dream.

  • @IfbbProRolandcHazard
    @IfbbProRolandcHazard 3 місяці тому +1

    0:13, Shaniqua Targaryen.

  • @mattpersico518
    @mattpersico518 3 місяці тому +1

    Im team black cuz im watching or reading it! But if i was alive in that universe, I'd be team green! Cuz im a man and His 1st born male son is the rightful heir ! And if my older sister got it over me id be pissed 😤 😅

  • @Robj4449
    @Robj4449 3 місяці тому +2

    Great 📹 👍🏻

  • @Jeepontwowheels
    @Jeepontwowheels 3 місяці тому +3

    Inheritance is easy but earning is tough team green ...aemond

  • @EnzoPepsiCola
    @EnzoPepsiCola 3 місяці тому +1

    Had to watch this on 1.25 speed, why are you talking with such large gaps between sentences? It's sounding awkward

  • @AjithKp560
    @AjithKp560 2 місяці тому

    Team: Black.
    House: Blackwood
    Reason: Most ferocious and ancient house, who never give up their religion and culture when all other houses converted to new religion under the pressure of powerful houses...

  • @TruckieLooks4Aliens
    @TruckieLooks4Aliens 3 місяці тому +62

    Wow. I mean, the fact the producers thought it would be a great idea to exclude Daeron from every single thing but then surprise us with a very quick mention is just another example of how they’re messing up GRRM writing

    • @kingflvko4852
      @kingflvko4852 3 місяці тому +10

      If yk nthn about the book be quite

    • @Forrealnow09
      @Forrealnow09 3 місяці тому +6

      @@kingflvko4852I think you mean quiet

    • @lts_Bubba
      @lts_Bubba 3 місяці тому

      Wow I mean, the fact you are like so many that just complain and about anything and everything. Go pick up a book and turn the t.v. off.

    • @lts_Bubba
      @lts_Bubba 3 місяці тому +3

      Turn the screens off and pick up a book

    • @AniSwiftTVRecaps
      @AniSwiftTVRecaps 3 місяці тому +5

      @@kingflvko4852 well clearly yk nothing about the books because op is correct they are straying a lot away from the writing in the books its more of a inspiration than an adaption at this point, all be it a very good one. for example in the books both authors can't agree on much that happened but something both of them confirmed is that criston cole was too honorable to dirty his cloak by sleeping with the princess and denied her at which point she then went to daemon/harwin who then slept with her honestly cole is like the euron of house of dragon. they also fcked up aegon's coronation and made him a rpist for some god awful reason. blood and cheese is fine I felt it was good but taking out maelor is really dumb, laenor surviving is also dumb as seasmoke can't be claimed until after he dies, and they tuned the entire house of dragon conflict into rhanaeyra cant be queen because she is a woman whenin the books the entire conflict is about rhaenyra cant be queen because she has a bastard for an heir and would have to 100% kill aegon and his entire bloodline if she hopes for any bastard to sit on the throne in peace. as caitlyn stark said, even if aegon and his children accepted rhanaeyra what about there sons literally any true born targ could challenge for the throne and start a war at any point because the current ruler would be descended from a bastard which would void there claim

  • @luissarah4355
    @luissarah4355 3 місяці тому

    Team Black for me! Rhaenyra was chosen and also didn’t want the throne for selfish reasons, it was her duty and she would have been a good Queen

  • @GlenLake
    @GlenLake 3 місяці тому

    His wings create an almost mythical... um, this is a dragon, doesn't get much more mythical.

  • @gemini3399
    @gemini3399 2 місяці тому

    Team Green: the have the biggest and baddest dragon (Vhagar) and the most beautiful one (Sunfyre)

  • @patriciamcdowell-4919
    @patriciamcdowell-4919 3 місяці тому

    But we all know that Rhaneras young son with Daemon becomes king right

  • @ImreallyIzzy
    @ImreallyIzzy 3 місяці тому

    I’m team black . Daemon is my favorite and he’s a student a Targaryen and Valeryan history!

  • @ImreallyIzzy
    @ImreallyIzzy 3 місяці тому

    Daeron the daring is coming !

  • @alenaschuler65
    @alenaschuler65 3 місяці тому

    Tesarion wird auch die blaue Königin genannt 😊

  • @cincyfanjunglecity9871
    @cincyfanjunglecity9871 3 місяці тому

    It’s sad that the show withholds important characters and their cool ass dragons. I’d love to see him come into the show just because he’s seems to be more down to earth . That and I want to see that dragon on screen.

    • @lightninghopkins4014
      @lightninghopkins4014 3 місяці тому +1

      "Yes, Alicent gave Viserys four children, three sons and a daughter, their youngest son Daeron is down in Oldtown, we just did not have the time to work him in this season, there are only so many minutes in an episode." - George R. R. Martin.

  • @AsifMalik-zd4nj
    @AsifMalik-zd4nj 3 місяці тому

    Well I think daeron role will be played bh a big actor like geralt of rivia

  • @janoslaszloriegel667
    @janoslaszloriegel667 3 місяці тому

    Team green. With the southern forces of Oldtown and Prince Daeron Targaryen 🟢

  • @NicholasJ-
    @NicholasJ- 3 місяці тому

    #teamBlack but...I gotta admit Dàèŕon Targyrean's dragon very cool 😁😁

  • @anthonyhead03
    @anthonyhead03 3 місяці тому +4

    The Black's rule is also based on a lie, Rhaenyra's son's are from the Strong family and she is keeping that a secret. Alicent sons are Targareins which makes them the original rulers.

    • @mrsfarnsy3373
      @mrsfarnsy3373 3 місяці тому

      The line was coming through Rhaenyra so the father didn't matter which is why she, Laenor, Viserys, and Corlys didn't care about it, only greedy Otto and his brainwashed daughter & her sons. Daemon is a POS going above Rhaenyras orders and killing children

    • @relish07
      @relish07 3 місяці тому +7

      Alicents children are equally only half targeryan. Unfortunately Rhaenyras sons don’t have the white mark of the targeryans. But genetically, a child carry’s more of their mother line than fathers

    • @bernzespinoza
      @bernzespinoza 3 місяці тому +3

      That's till defies the kings last words were for rhaenyra rules not her brother aegon. So your wrong according to veserys

    • @ingy421
      @ingy421 3 місяці тому +2

      its not for lack of trying which i think people forget. they tried to have kids but couldnt. her husband was gay and idk if he couldnt perform or he just couldnt for medical reasons. its a moot point anyway. the last thing viserys said was aegon is the future king. not his own son. daemon and rhaenyras 1st kid together aegon the younger or aegon the III. who is purely 100% targeryan (well you know what i mean) rhaenyra was named heir for years and years. and now she has kids with the kings brother and shes heir for years. id say that claim is stronger especially since they have kids now.

    • @koca987
      @koca987 2 місяці тому

      Alicent kids are not 100% Targaryan, they same as Rhaenyra's sons, only pureblood targaryan are Rhaenyra and Daemon sons.

  • @rajveerkulhari2094
    @rajveerkulhari2094 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm with the blacks ⚫️ because she was chosen as the successor by the king 🤴.
    Greens have no right over the throne

  • @ImreallyIzzy
    @ImreallyIzzy 3 місяці тому +1

    I can’t wait to see Daeron!

  • @HannieRie
    @HannieRie 3 місяці тому +1

    He was a cupbearer in the Hightowers place.

  • @mansm7968
    @mansm7968 3 місяці тому

    I stand with prince Daeron

  • @CubanMelanin
    @CubanMelanin 3 місяці тому

    This Velaryon seed is team Black my mom is definitely Corlys type 😭 🤣 🤣

  • @mdhall04
    @mdhall04 2 місяці тому

    Whats the point of picking a side when the ending is already known lol

  • @gemini3399
    @gemini3399 2 місяці тому

    Tessarion is a female called the Blue Queen

  • @WHATEVER00100100
    @WHATEVER00100100 3 місяці тому

    The black is the like modern family and thier love and respect shows for each other. The greens no love or respect for each other and helaena is the loony exception. Ruthlessness may be the reason that the greens will win but I am happy that daenerys Targaryen is rhaenyra,s great great grand child

  • @nathanslijkhuis7159
    @nathanslijkhuis7159 3 місяці тому

    House Stark, loyal to the oats they take and the honer there is, because without honner what are you, noting

  • @chadclark7596
    @chadclark7596 3 місяці тому +5

    Excellent insight! I'm for THE BLACKS! THE BLACKS! Because like Robert's Rebellion, Aegon's rule is based on a lie.... a misunderstanding.... BYE BYE GREENS!

    • @cathylanders6377
      @cathylanders6377 3 місяці тому

      Hope so

    • @madhavgautam2447
      @madhavgautam2447 3 місяці тому

      But irony is that his best friend (the most honorable person in westeros) didn't wanted bastards to be relaxing their asses on iron throne. This makes the blacks supporters ,who also supported ned stark, absolute hypocrites

  • @dingelding258
    @dingelding258 3 місяці тому

    Tessarion is a She-Dragon

  • @Hey_its_just_me_to
    @Hey_its_just_me_to 3 місяці тому

    Why is he going to be so young in the show!

  • @dew-me7266
    @dew-me7266 3 місяці тому

    Video starts at 2:14

  • @claremcgorry5305
    @claremcgorry5305 2 місяці тому

    Tessarion is a female known as the blue queen read the books
    😊

  • @martybodrogi5344
    @martybodrogi5344 3 місяці тому

    Great-grandson

  • @jeremyruh5219
    @jeremyruh5219 3 місяці тому

    Otto just got thrown out of the thrown room. How does it play in the book for fun

  • @andrealarson6123
    @andrealarson6123 2 місяці тому

    Team Black. Rhaenyra was chosen. Especially, now because Aemond is ten times worse than Aegon 🖤

  • @doremon4358
    @doremon4358 3 місяці тому

    I'm supporting Aegon because the last one is better end

  • @guspapadopoulos4892
    @guspapadopoulos4892 3 місяці тому

    Black, they seem more honorable and rightfully the wish of King Viserys. Otto appears too crafty and calculating. Aergon has that Joffrey temper. Plus l like their dragons better. Stll grieving over Meleys. Angry how Green would humiliate such a noble dragon by parading his decapitated head all over the city.

  • @alenaschuler65
    @alenaschuler65 3 місяці тому

    Stellt euch Mal vor das Ott Hohenturm und daron Tagaryen auf die Seite der schwarzen wechselt 😊

  • @aryamangogoi6764
    @aryamangogoi6764 3 місяці тому

    Rhaenyra

  • @kkleigh4807
    @kkleigh4807 3 місяці тому

    Team Black always! Rhaenyra is true heir.

  • @TheJahnmarrie
    @TheJahnmarrie 3 місяці тому

    Yay first!! Love your content

  • @carlshark161
    @carlshark161 3 місяці тому

    The black as that was the kings wish plus she knows the king’s secret

  • @alenaschuler65
    @alenaschuler65 3 місяці тому

    Team black und Prinzessin rhaenys tagaryen. The Queen who never was 😊. Und the Red Queen 😊

  • @MelindaLarkin
    @MelindaLarkin 3 місяці тому

    Why they making their appearance now they never existed before now thankfully i read the books and know all about it but not everyone will know this they shouldve just mentioned him earlier at least ik he is in oldtown just tell everyone that in season 1 even maelor not being shown until later just mention them if you dont want to show them on screen or have cast ready just tell the audience where they are

    • @lightninghopkins4014
      @lightninghopkins4014 3 місяці тому

      They originally wrote a scene where they talk about him but it was cut for time. GRRM said this: "Yes, Alicent gave Viserys four children, three sons and a daughter, their youngest son Daeron is down in Oldtown, we just did not have the time to work him in this season, there are only so many minutes in an episode."
      Many of the best characters of the dance of the dragon story still are yet to be introduced, this doesn't mean they don't matter.

  • @supernoobsmith5718
    @supernoobsmith5718 3 місяці тому

    They're all doomed. All the characters have a negative good/bad ratio. They're ALL more bad than good. They're all scheming deviants.

  • @xaxaxaxaxa6417
    @xaxaxaxaxa6417 3 місяці тому

    Know how this will end . Back . I have the book don´t give it to me

  • @hengkiairgunlampung9549
    @hengkiairgunlampung9549 2 місяці тому

    Iam with green..the black has bastard of strong clan heir...dont u remember 😅

  • @SacKingsFan.
    @SacKingsFan. 3 місяці тому +3

    I’m for the Blacks. Holla!

  • @commy741
    @commy741 3 місяці тому

    The Hightowers are hypocrites simple.....

  • @nickmirr
    @nickmirr 3 місяці тому

    Team Black, all day, every day

  • @jimrush2619
    @jimrush2619 2 місяці тому

    Queen Rhaenyra all the way.

  • @ronaldobryant2747
    @ronaldobryant2747 2 місяці тому

    So this 3 child is blond hair ?

  • @maryfitzpatrick2738
    @maryfitzpatrick2738 3 місяці тому

    Team Black ❤

  • @Blorentzen1
    @Blorentzen1 3 місяці тому

    Team Black! Or any other team that is against Ser Christon Cole ha

  • @rohanpatil4526
    @rohanpatil4526 3 місяці тому

    With team Green. Because Alicent is more goodlooking than Rhaenyra😅

    • @vasudevavikram
      @vasudevavikram 3 місяці тому +1

      Yep yep more erotic scenes 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @ronbanks5640
    @ronbanks5640 3 місяці тому

    I would be with the Blacks because the greens betrayed the Princess

  • @Itsacamlife
    @Itsacamlife 3 місяці тому +1

    Yeah yeah yeah Team#Black! 😂❤

  • @pamjames9077
    @pamjames9077 3 місяці тому

    House Rheanyra 4ever 😊

  • @BonganiMazibuko-x4u
    @BonganiMazibuko-x4u 2 місяці тому

    Team Black life eventually needs to be honest

  • @suriyaprakashg7007
    @suriyaprakashg7007 3 місяці тому

    Black 🖤

  • @Spice_Titan
    @Spice_Titan 3 місяці тому

    Blacks... Visery's true wish

  • @sharjeelakram6342
    @sharjeelakram6342 3 місяці тому

    Black team😊

  • @hellhoundparanormal6090
    @hellhoundparanormal6090 3 місяці тому

    Team black all the way cause rhynera is the rightful heir otto and aegon supplanting her cause shes a girl its messed up

    • @hellhoundparanormal6090
      @hellhoundparanormal6090 3 місяці тому

      The realm will soon tear itself apart if they don't remember the oath sworn to king vicserys and his rightful heir team black

  • @georgebella3139
    @georgebella3139 3 місяці тому

    Team black

  • @CameronJurius
    @CameronJurius 3 місяці тому

    The blacks kings word is law

  • @chris-bk9yg
    @chris-bk9yg 3 місяці тому

    Vote reform

  • @CarrollReymer-954mvp
    @CarrollReymer-954mvp 3 місяці тому

    Team Green Baby!!!! I think Aemon is a dawg!!!

  • @huzaifagill001
    @huzaifagill001 3 місяці тому +4

    Daeron is the bastard son of Alicient and Cole