There’s a lot of smart marketing people and “influencers”. They should put their powers to good use and make Quinacridone gold cars popular again. In fact make colorful cars more popular in general.
Love the idea but the availability is driven more by truck and bus manufacturing. I know someone who worked in auto color development and I put in a request because of the pigments we're losing - but found it that a lot of what they have to work with is actually impacted by what is available for use in large vehicle produced under huge commercial and government contracts.
I never thought I would be happy that I accidentally ordered 2 ultra marine pinks a year ago!! I am so shocked in this video because I had no idea qor had discontinued colors ...thank you for keeping us informed.
Thank you! :D I agree, I love that they come up with mixes to get a similar hue. I've yet to see them do it for the watercolor versions, but I'm keeping an eye on it :)
I've been a fan of Quin Gold and Quin Gold Deep since I first started playing with QOR paints. Time to head up to my art store (nearest is 30 miles out) and stock up.
I use the ultramarine pink and mix it with ultra marine violet and make a more transparent form of soft granulating lilac. M.Graham carries a great ultramarine pink and I actually prefer this to the 2 pigment of Daniel Smith of the ultramarine blue and the ultramarine pink. I don’t believe DS sells the one pigment so there is an option for those who like that. It’s a bummer. Thank you Eve for your information and giving the heads up on those pigments. Some family run businesses have access to the original quin gold pigment but I have adjusted because the prices are ridiculous. I get it that some collect wc and that is their thing but the prices for a half pan are nuts. I have made my own paints and ground them but maybe I am just old and cranky and feel that there is a bit too much hoopla over some of these when one can create their own. I was scammed by a famous handmade paint company and they are still out there. Becoming familiar over the years with professional quality of even handmade paints is a protection. Anyways I thought I would post because you do have very good updates and I went a little off the subject. 😂
Quin burnt orange (po 48) and brown madder (po 206) are my favourite pigments in general. they are perfect for drawing people. my heart was broken when I heard about discontinuation for the first time. I wish industry of artist paints was more independent
I agree, it would be great if the paint industry wasn't so reliant on the other industries that also use pigments. I don't like feeling insecure about the availability of paints in the future XP
Lack of interest from car companies is one factor, but (at least from what I can tell from Golden's videos) part of the issue is mergers/subsequent cost-cutting measures by pigment makers. Hopefully this is more of a "goodbye for now" - notably, Cobalt Teal was discontinued by Golden in 2012 and re-introduced in 2018. It's not a perfect 1:1 match to the original pigment, but it's so close I think most people would be pretty happy. Perhaps some of the discontinued quinacridones will come back into fashion later on?
Being an absolute pigment nerd 😅 I will love your new series.❤ One question to this episode: what about these pigments from GOLDEN declared as "not available" concerning other brands like SCHMINCKE HORADAM or WINSOR&NEWTON or DANIEL SMITH? Will ALL watercolors containing these pigments no matter from what brand be not available in the future?
I will really miss PO48, though I stocked up on Daniel Smith’s Quin Burnt Orange. I tried to stock up on PR206 by buying two large tubes from Winsor and Newton, but they were labelled wrong. I contacted their customer service and they agreed that they were the new replacement pigments in old tubes, but they basically just shrugged it off and offered neither apology nor replacement/compensation. I was not impressed... So stocking up doesn’t always work, unfortunately.
@@EveBolt The replacement for the Brown Madder is really disappointing, it’s PR179 and practically identical with their strong Perylene Maroon, which I don’t really like or use. A PR102 or a pigment mix would have been a better choice in my opinion. The new Permanent Alizarin Crimson is also PR179, but much more similar to the old PR206 one, just slightly more reddish and a bit stronger. So far I had good experiences with contacting art brands directly but I was really shocked that W&N took it so lightly that they sold mislabelled tubes. Now I’m always telling people to be careful when they want to stock up on paints!
I'll check if DS has a reliable source of info on that topic, but as far as I know at the moment, they don't have an up-to-date page set up like QoR does. I might not do all of these by brand, either, but mostly by pigment.
What a fun series-- I hope to see one on PY153, my very favorite yellow. I was mourning that one while most were mourning quinacridone gold, though you can still get a bit of the pigment from schmincke, and they still have it in their Indian yellow in their gouache line! I do worry about how sad these videos are going to get this year though if some of the whispers about further quinacridones is true. I've been worrying about that color range given the past couple of years, so many of them being proprietary, and due to them being tougher pigments to manufacture.
Yeaaaah, it doesn't look too good for the quins. right now. I'll try to find more info about this. I loved the PY153! I still have some of it from DS... Other brands have it (Lukas, too) but sometimes it's not quite the same hue... My friend Elizher (the shop's name is SelahPaintCo.) makes an Indian yellow with PY153 and it's gorgeous :)
@@EveBolt Yeah, I sent a message to a couple paint brands asking (namely DS, who I would assume would have been the source of the comment given who it came from), but have yet to hear back. I likewise have some of the old DS new gamboge, and tried out Lukas for the first time last year-- I actually really like the Lukas one, it still has that beautiful sunny glow I expect of it, though when I looked as of about a week ago to grab another tube it looks like its likewise gone from their line and is also now a two pigment hue. Sennelier likewise has it, but I'm not always trusting of their pigment labeling, and the color and character of theirs is so off. I got a big batch of pigment and likewise make my own now, and it's just always a stunner. I'll need to check out your friend's shop! Glad to hear you also liked this one, since I feel like it was one that went under the radar pretty often!
Looking forward to more episodes of this series! I saw someone on one of my watercolour groups on Facebook share a post from Jane Blundell saying all quinacridone pigments are being discontinued. I don't know if it is true or not. Sad if true!
Wait, what? All quinacridones? As in quinacridone Rose and quinacridone coral too? On all brands? 😢 Because some of the pigments mentioned here I still find with other brands. Except for PO49
@@paulinabm_ Yeah, she said all quinacridones. 😕I think most manufacturers have large stocks of pigments, so they would still be available for a while.
Oh wow. It sometimes feel like industries are giving up on art. But I guess that if there were great masters with limited pigments it means, creativity won't be stopped by that. But I will miss my quinacridones anyway 😔
You specifically mentioned pr101 to be available from other brands. Does that mean pv15 is in danger of being discontinued everywhere? It’s one of my favorite pigments 😢
I plan on looking into this, to see if I can find more info for that one and the cobalt color too. I really like PV15 too and would hate to see it go XP
@@EveBolt @mandarina_morada It is worrying a bit. Both of these colors you mentioned, the PV15 and the cobalt violet are particularly vivid examples of these pigments. Hopefully they will replace them with something equally as vibrant. It's hard to imagine the Qor line (or any comprehensive line) without these two pigments!
i was talking to someone and they said, perhaps Qor is switching their Ultramarine Pink from PV15 to PR259 which is the pigment usually used for Ultramarine Pink in other companies. they still have PV15 for Ultramarine Violet so the pigment itself isnt going away.
It's really hard to do!! But we can do it! I tell myself that anyway, I'll have to deal without that color at some point so I better figure it out NOW XD
The only color I have is Quin Burnt Orange, and it’s nice but not irreplaceable. Plus I have most of a full sized tube which is probably a lifetime supply for me since I don’t use the color frequently. Never been a Quin gold fan. I’m not a landscape artist, and the color reminds me of dead leaves more than anything. Granted I’m also not a big yellow person in general. Like I’m the freak that hates the pale yellow with cerulean blue combo. It makes me think of hours stuck in the car on hwy 5 with nothing but dead grass and washed out sky to stare at. I guess it reminds me of feeling carsick and that’s why I dislike it.
That's definitely the kind of association that will make you dislike a color! I like these quin. colours a lot but I don't paint with them, when I have them on a palette. I'm a bit more bummed about the purples and the red :(
Why does everyone single out the car industry out of all the industries that use pigments? There are other industries that need pigments: printing, textiles, plastics, ceramics, etc.
Paintings and coatings are the major usage of pigments, but I think that cars and plastics represent the biggest usage of pigments. But if you look at the colours of cars nowadays you see like silver/grey, white, black and the others are really non-existent nowadays. I think it has to do with resale value. I think that plastics might also be using dyes. Also just searched and found out that the most used pigment is titanium dioxide (60% of the market) which is kinda insane...
@@PauloEAbreu Hi Paulo 😃👋🏼. Always glad to see you 😊. I think I understand titanium dioxide. If I’m not mistaken, it’s white. We need loads of it to keep our walls white 😂. Many cars are white too, I assume they also use y titanium dioxide.
@@awatercolouristCorrect me if I am wrong but isn't the paper industry a major consumer of titanium dioxide? I read it is safe, lightfast, cheap, and non toxic.
I think it's because it's one of the biggest ones! They are worth a lot of money as an industry... And cars need to be lightfast, so you have to use pigments and not dyes to paint them. A lot of plastics will also use dyes. (p.s. also, cars suuuuuck)
Ugh. Considering cars are mostly white, black or gray now, it's not looking so good for the artists. Wonder why the household paint industry isn't more influential in what pigments get to live?
There’s a lot of smart marketing people and “influencers”. They should put their powers to good use and make Quinacridone gold cars popular again. In fact make colorful cars more popular in general.
I completely agree!
Absolutely. When I spot a quin. gold car in the wild, I'm always thinking if there's a way to reverse-engineer the paint to get the pigment back XD
Love your screen name!
Love the idea but the availability is driven more by truck and bus manufacturing. I know someone who worked in auto color development and I put in a request because of the pigments we're losing - but found it that a lot of what they have to work with is actually impacted by what is available for use in large vehicle produced under huge commercial and government contracts.
haven't seen many v15 pink or cobalt violet cars around, must be living in the wrong area.
As a pigment nerd and hoarder, this series is gonna be very helpful to me.😅 Thank you for this. Missing your reviews and news updates btw. 😊
You are so welcome! Thank you so much for your kind words :D
Thank you for the very informative video! When I learned we were at the mercy of car pigments, I was shocked.
I know, right? It make sense, but it's also such a bummer to be at their mercy...
I never thought I would be happy that I accidentally ordered 2 ultra marine pinks a year ago!! I am so shocked in this video because I had no idea qor had discontinued colors ...thank you for keeping us informed.
I'm glad they provide ways to mix. This is a good series - thanks for starting it.
Thank you! :D
I agree, I love that they come up with mixes to get a similar hue. I've yet to see them do it for the watercolor versions, but I'm keeping an eye on it :)
about to try their acrylic substitute mixes/proportions to see if they get anywhere close in watercolours@@EveBolt
Never had any of these colors but man, the Burnt Orange and Gold Deep are both so so pretty I'm really sad they're gone ;m;
Me too! They are quite unique hues, too :(
I've been a fan of Quin Gold and Quin Gold Deep since I first started playing with QOR paints. Time to head up to my art store (nearest is 30 miles out) and stock up.
Such an interesting series. Can not wait for the other episodes!!!
Thank you! :D
thanks, I picked up a Quin gold deep, quin burnt orange, and cobalt violet from my local Blick today.
Good idea!! :D These are so pretty!
This is a fascinating series to be doing, especially for us pigment nerds. Thank you!
You're so welcome! Thank you so much!
Us pigment nerds will have to support each other in light of all the colors being discontinued 😭
I use the ultramarine pink and mix it with ultra marine violet and make a more transparent form of soft granulating lilac. M.Graham carries a great ultramarine pink and I actually prefer this to the 2 pigment of Daniel Smith of the ultramarine blue and the ultramarine pink. I don’t believe DS sells the one pigment so there is an option for those who like that. It’s a bummer. Thank you Eve for your information and giving the heads up on those pigments. Some family run businesses have access to the original quin gold pigment but I have adjusted because the prices are ridiculous. I get it that some collect wc and that is their thing but the prices for a half pan are nuts. I have made my own paints and ground them but maybe I am just old and cranky and feel that there is a bit too much hoopla over some of these when one can create their own. I was scammed by a famous handmade paint company and they are still out there. Becoming familiar over the years with professional quality of even handmade paints is a protection. Anyways I thought I would post because you do have very good updates and I went a little off the subject. 😂
Majestic cat ❤
Clear and concise information as always. Love your channel!
Thank you so much! :D
I agree that the cat is majestic! :3
@@EveBolt that cat is Royalty
Quin burnt orange (po 48) and brown madder (po 206) are my favourite pigments in general. they are perfect for drawing people. my heart was broken when I heard about discontinuation for the first time. I wish industry of artist paints was more independent
I agree, it would be great if the paint industry wasn't so reliant on the other industries that also use pigments. I don't like feeling insecure about the availability of paints in the future XP
Lack of interest from car companies is one factor, but (at least from what I can tell from Golden's videos) part of the issue is mergers/subsequent cost-cutting measures by pigment makers.
Hopefully this is more of a "goodbye for now" - notably, Cobalt Teal was discontinued by Golden in 2012 and re-introduced in 2018. It's not a perfect 1:1 match to the original pigment, but it's so close I think most people would be pretty happy. Perhaps some of the discontinued quinacridones will come back into fashion later on?
Being an absolute pigment nerd 😅 I will love your new series.❤
One question to this episode:
what about these pigments from GOLDEN declared as "not available" concerning other brands like SCHMINCKE HORADAM or WINSOR&NEWTON or DANIEL SMITH?
Will ALL watercolors containing these pigments no matter from what brand be not available in the future?
It is very sad to lose a pigment. I trust you to keep us informed. Thank you for what you do, love the newsy series that you do!
Thank you so much!
I agree that it's very sad. Even if it's colors that I don't use, I hate seeing them phase out.
I will really miss PO48, though I stocked up on Daniel Smith’s Quin Burnt Orange. I tried to stock up on PR206 by buying two large tubes from Winsor and Newton, but they were labelled wrong. I contacted their customer service and they agreed that they were the new replacement pigments in old tubes, but they basically just shrugged it off and offered neither apology nor replacement/compensation. I was not impressed... So stocking up doesn’t always work, unfortunately.
Oof, that sounds like a TERRIBLE experience! I'm so sorry you were met up with such subpar customer service XP
How is the replacement mix?
@@EveBolt The replacement for the Brown Madder is really disappointing, it’s PR179 and practically identical with their strong Perylene Maroon, which I don’t really like or use. A PR102 or a pigment mix would have been a better choice in my opinion. The new Permanent Alizarin Crimson is also PR179, but much more similar to the old PR206 one, just slightly more reddish and a bit stronger. So far I had good experiences with contacting art brands directly but I was really shocked that W&N took it so lightly that they sold mislabelled tubes. Now I’m always telling people to be careful when they want to stock up on paints!
Love this thank you could you please do Daniel smith next
I'll check if DS has a reliable source of info on that topic, but as far as I know at the moment, they don't have an up-to-date page set up like QoR does. I might not do all of these by brand, either, but mostly by pigment.
What a fun series-- I hope to see one on PY153, my very favorite yellow. I was mourning that one while most were mourning quinacridone gold, though you can still get a bit of the pigment from schmincke, and they still have it in their Indian yellow in their gouache line! I do worry about how sad these videos are going to get this year though if some of the whispers about further quinacridones is true. I've been worrying about that color range given the past couple of years, so many of them being proprietary, and due to them being tougher pigments to manufacture.
Yeaaaah, it doesn't look too good for the quins. right now. I'll try to find more info about this.
I loved the PY153! I still have some of it from DS... Other brands have it (Lukas, too) but sometimes it's not quite the same hue... My friend Elizher (the shop's name is SelahPaintCo.) makes an Indian yellow with PY153 and it's gorgeous :)
@@EveBolt Yeah, I sent a message to a couple paint brands asking (namely DS, who I would assume would have been the source of the comment given who it came from), but have yet to hear back. I likewise have some of the old DS new gamboge, and tried out Lukas for the first time last year-- I actually really like the Lukas one, it still has that beautiful sunny glow I expect of it, though when I looked as of about a week ago to grab another tube it looks like its likewise gone from their line and is also now a two pigment hue. Sennelier likewise has it, but I'm not always trusting of their pigment labeling, and the color and character of theirs is so off. I got a big batch of pigment and likewise make my own now, and it's just always a stunner. I'll need to check out your friend's shop! Glad to hear you also liked this one, since I feel like it was one that went under the radar pretty often!
@CBWebb what have you heard about further quinacridones?
@@elyestelle That they are also being discontinued. So far though it hasn't been confirmed by any official outlet.
Not PR207 now too 😢
There will be no good replacement for it... Will they replacing the color with PR209? I used the warm Quin. colors a lot...
Mh, I'm not sure! It's such a nice red :(
That's like, my favorite pigment and underrated too! (although that would make it easier to hoard, I hope..)
Looking forward to more episodes of this series! I saw someone on one of my watercolour groups on Facebook share a post from Jane Blundell saying all quinacridone pigments are being discontinued. I don't know if it is true or not. Sad if true!
Thank you!
The quinacridones situation is one that I'm looking into next. It would have an impact on SO MANY colors XP
Wait, what? All quinacridones? As in quinacridone Rose and quinacridone coral too? On all brands? 😢 Because some of the pigments mentioned here I still find with other brands. Except for PO49
@@paulinabm_ Yeah, she said all quinacridones. 😕I think most manufacturers have large stocks of pigments, so they would still be available for a while.
@paulinabm_ Yeah, that's why I want to look more closely into it because it would be somewhat problematic XP
Oh wow. It sometimes feel like industries are giving up on art. But I guess that if there were great masters with limited pigments it means, creativity won't be stopped by that. But I will miss my quinacridones anyway 😔
I emailed M Graham to see if any of their colors will be affected they said only Nickel Quinacridone Gold
Wasn't a different Quin Gold colour impacted a couple of years back? PO54 or somesuch?
The first quinacridone color that was impacted was Quinacridone Gold (PO49), a few years ago.
You specifically mentioned pr101 to be available from other brands. Does that mean pv15 is in danger of being discontinued everywhere? It’s one of my favorite pigments 😢
I plan on looking into this, to see if I can find more info for that one and the cobalt color too. I really like PV15 too and would hate to see it go XP
@@EveBolt @mandarina_morada It is worrying a bit. Both of these colors you mentioned, the PV15 and the cobalt violet are particularly vivid examples of these pigments. Hopefully they will replace them with something equally as vibrant. It's hard to imagine the Qor line (or any comprehensive line) without these two pigments!
i was talking to someone and they said, perhaps Qor is switching their Ultramarine Pink from PV15 to PR259 which is the pigment usually used for Ultramarine Pink in other companies. they still have PV15 for Ultramarine Violet so the pigment itself isnt going away.
I have some of these but in all honesty they aren’t crucial to me. They are just nice to have!
You're fortunate in that regard, then! No "fear of missing out" for you :D
@@EveBolt 👍😁
This is a great idea 💡. I’m trying not to horde my pigments. I have to fight my inner dragon 🐉. 🥰
It's really hard to do!! But we can do it! I tell myself that anyway, I'll have to deal without that color at some point so I better figure it out NOW XD
After news of discontinued pigment I just bought burned orange and gold quin in big tubes. It will be enough for 5 years for me🙏
Geez. All the cars I see on the road are black, white, and gray. This doesn't bode well for non-monochrome painters.
I agree! The trend I see here seems to be mostly "opaque" blue-grey paint in various values... 😬
The only color I have is Quin Burnt Orange, and it’s nice but not irreplaceable. Plus I have most of a full sized tube which is probably a lifetime supply for me since I don’t use the color frequently. Never been a Quin gold fan. I’m not a landscape artist, and the color reminds me of dead leaves more than anything. Granted I’m also not a big yellow person in general. Like I’m the freak that hates the pale yellow with cerulean blue combo. It makes me think of hours stuck in the car on hwy 5 with nothing but dead grass and washed out sky to stare at. I guess it reminds me of feeling carsick and that’s why I dislike it.
That's definitely the kind of association that will make you dislike a color! I like these quin. colours a lot but I don't paint with them, when I have them on a palette. I'm a bit more bummed about the purples and the red :(
Getting rid of quin gold is like saying 'hey, let's trash burnt sienna'.....
Why does everyone single out the car industry out of all the industries that use pigments? There are other industries that need pigments: printing, textiles, plastics, ceramics, etc.
Paintings and coatings are the major usage of pigments, but I think that cars and plastics represent the biggest usage of pigments. But if you look at the colours of cars nowadays you see like silver/grey, white, black and the others are really non-existent nowadays. I think it has to do with resale value. I think that plastics might also be using dyes. Also just searched and found out that the most used pigment is titanium dioxide (60% of the market) which is kinda insane...
@@PauloEAbreu Hi Paulo 😃👋🏼. Always glad to see you 😊. I think I understand titanium dioxide. If I’m not mistaken, it’s white. We need loads of it to keep our walls white 😂. Many cars are white too, I assume they also use y titanium dioxide.
@@awatercolouristCorrect me if I am wrong but isn't the paper industry a major consumer of titanium dioxide? I read it is safe, lightfast, cheap, and non toxic.
I think it's because it's one of the biggest ones! They are worth a lot of money as an industry... And cars need to be lightfast, so you have to use pigments and not dyes to paint them. A lot of plastics will also use dyes.
(p.s. also, cars suuuuuck)
@@PauloEAbreu Thanks for that info, very interesting!
PO48
Such a shame it's going away :(
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RIP PR206, PR207 and PO48 👋🏼😥
They will be missed :(
@@EveBolt Yes, indeed. Sniff 😢.
Ugh. Considering cars are mostly white, black or gray now, it's not looking so good for the artists. Wonder why the household paint industry isn't more influential in what pigments get to live?
That's a very good question, I'll add it to the list of things to investigate! XD
No, not PR207 😭
I have yet to figure out if other brands will discontinue it too, but it suuuuucks
@@EveBolt Big time! It is a unique colour.
First!