The Contrarians Presents: Band Feuds - Why Can't We Get Along?

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  • @SaintMartins
    @SaintMartins Рік тому +8

    The Smiths: First Morrisey & Marr were angry at the other 2 members (bassist & drummer) for winning a court case for equal royalties even though the bassist & drummer never wrote any of the songs. Then Morrissey & Marr stopped talking when Marr started being friendly with the bassist again.

  • @timhewtson6212
    @timhewtson6212 10 місяців тому +3

    I have watched Sea of Tranquility a lot, and I started asking myself why I didn't listen to The Contrarians because Martin is so much fun.
    It took me a few months even to watch a Contrarians show, but you guys have the best topics, so I'm hooked now.

  • @JohntheMusicNut
    @JohntheMusicNut Рік тому +6

    Great show and selections! Welcome DW and Tom! I always found it comical that during one of the Black Crowes' hiatuses, Chris forms a band and tours as the Chris Robinson Brotherhood. Martin, great comment on the Eagles although to be fair, Timothy B Schmit seems like a decent guy. 😃 As for Journey, they're the band that keeps on giving with their drama. Layers and layers there. And Nick is right, I saw Jack Russell's Great White last year and he still has that great voice.

    • @molejason
      @molejason Рік тому +1

      Can't see people hating on Joe Walsh tho

    • @parishofrock2963
      @parishofrock2963 Рік тому

      Another enjoyable show, with great examples of band feuds. Ones I’d also add are UFO/Michael Schenker, Thin Lizzy/Brian Robertson & the original Quo line up.

    • @JohntheMusicNut
      @JohntheMusicNut Рік тому

      @@molejason Yeah, that's a good point.

  • @LoLavilla82
    @LoLavilla82 Рік тому +4

    That was a very fun show thanks to Grant and the pannelists ! I'll see you whenever I can, take care !!

  • @muziktrkr
    @muziktrkr Рік тому +1

    The Clash feud wasn't that bad because Strummer wound up working with Big Audio Dynamite with Mick a few years later, and Strummer seemed happy touring with the Mescaleros in the 90s. They talked about trying to reunite and did a signing for "Clash on Broadway", and then Joe passed. My takeaway from The Police feud had more to do with creative tensions in the studio and playing on stage. It's actually "Ghost In The Machine" where there was heavy tension in the studio, and "Synchronicity" was more of the same. There's a documentary made around the reunion where they did get along but just some of the things going on in rehearsals were where the tensions were surfacing. Sting kind of barking orders, Stewart making digs at Sting, Andy making wisecracks in between.

  • @Sirdamienfrost
    @Sirdamienfrost Рік тому +2

    That was a blast. Nice one gents. Wasn't aware of Kix being in this situation.

    • @jonlate4581
      @jonlate4581 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely. The band hasn't been in touch with Donnie Purnell in many years. He wasn't invited to the last show and probably wouldn't have shown up if he had been invited.

  • @Miler97487
    @Miler97487 Рік тому +2

    The original Mahavishnu Orchestra lineup imploded because of out-of-control egos. The members didn't share John McLaughlin's devotion to Sri Chimnoy, so it's no wonder McLaughlin found new musicians to continue Mahavishnu Orchestra name. McLaughlin and Billy Cobham did make up in the 1980s as both appear on the Mahavishnu album from 1984. By then McLaughlin had nothing to do with Sri Chimnoy. Of course, we can't forget Cream, particularly the big rivalry between Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce. To say they hated each other was an understatement. When Ginger was living in South Africa, Jack felt he was still too close, even though Jack was living in the UK. The 2005 reunion only proved the rivalry never died.

  • @diarmuidmcnally1300
    @diarmuidmcnally1300 Рік тому +1

    I would say Hip Hop and the 90s Norwegian Black Metal
    Scene are the 2 genres that were riddled with the most serious feuds …both internal and with other artists…

  • @Miler97487
    @Miler97487 Рік тому +1

    Focus: Looks like by 1975 Jan Akkerman and Thijs van Leer were no longer talking and Jan left with Philip Catherine filling in on the album Focus con Proby. Then they broke up. There was a brief reunion in 1985 with Jan and Thijs. An album was recorded and released (sounds like a mid '80s update of the Focus sound with flute still there but with digital synths like the DX-7 and drum machines instead of real drums and organ). The reunion didn't last. The 2002 reunion was Thijs recruiting members of a Focus tribute band. Jan nowhere to be found. Pierre van der Linden did eventually rejoin.
    The Byrds: Looks like so many members hated each other that it's no wonder by 1968, outside of Roger McGuinn, Chris Hillman was the only original member left when Sweetheart of the Rodeo came out. Then he left leaving McGuinn fully in charge. Then of course we have David Crosby, always a character, to say the least. McGuinn disliked Crosby using the Byrds as a political pulpit. His politics far more suited Crosby, Stills and Nash.
    Guns n' Roses: At least the Axl Rose versus everyone else was mentioned. To me Chinese Democracy should've been an Axl solo album but it's obvious that it would sell much better if it was slapped with the GNR name on it. The reunion was only partial because I'm certain some of the members didn't want anything to do with Axl anymore.
    Buffalo Springfield: Seemed the biggest rivalry was between Stephen Stills and Neil Young. So it's a bit surprising that they recorded an album together in 1976 called Long May You Run. Obviously they never did that again but they obviously couldn't help being in the same presence in the studio and live during periodic CSN&Y reunions.

  • @HuddshouseofRockNMetal
    @HuddshouseofRockNMetal Рік тому +2

    Dokken - George and Don's power struggle
    UFO - always centering around Phil and Michael, eventually leading to Michael leaving every time
    Skid Row - Sebastián vs the band
    Queensryche, Styx, Ratt, just to name a few others.

  • @YouDummy
    @YouDummy Рік тому +3

    Rick Wakeman has quit the band Yes six times...

  • @SurfingTheSoundwaves
    @SurfingTheSoundwaves Рік тому +2

    The Doors come to mind. I've read Robbie, John, and Ray's books, and holy moley. It sounded absolutely dreadful at times.
    Wish Jimbo had lived long enough to give the 4th perspective.

    • @muziktrkr
      @muziktrkr Рік тому

      I read "Unhinged" and you can tell that he carried with him Jim's disappointment when the others signed off to use "Light My Fire" in a car ad. He kind of patched things up before Ray passed though.

  • @LeatherRebel75
    @LeatherRebel75 Рік тому +3

    I find that a lot of these band feuds, especially nowadays, are fueled by the press. Reporters love to poke and prod and stoke the flames of drama, and websites like Blabbermouth feed off the drama for clickbait headlines. I've seen a number of feuds started and maintained simply through Blabbermouth posts. Some guitarist makes a off-hand disparaging comment about a peer during an interview, and Blabbermouth reposts that interview. The disparaged peer sees the comment, and goes on Twitter to clap back, and Blabbermouth is there to cover it. It starts a whole social media battle against the two musicians, and Blabbermouth is there for every shot fired.

  • @howardrice8533
    @howardrice8533 Рік тому +2

    Styx, Heart, Fleetwood Mac, Sharon Osbourne and various musicians, Dio and Vivian Campbell, L.A. Guns

    • @jcollins1305
      @jcollins1305 Рік тому

      Sharon Osbourne and anyone who ever worked with or for her.

  • @Andy28-m6e
    @Andy28-m6e Рік тому +2

    There are so many but these came to my mind:
    Styx vs Dennis
    GNR
    KIss
    SImon and Garfunkel
    Yes
    Queensryche

  • @barelymanilow7079
    @barelymanilow7079 Рік тому +2

    Glenn Danzig and The Misfits for a long time were feuding, but the band was not that big it got much attention. Maybe do bands who feuded with other bands, rivals ...like The Cure and The Smiths.

  • @2kmetalhead
    @2kmetalhead Рік тому +2

    How about Queensryche vs. Geoff Tate? I'm still bummed that Geoff is not in the band anymore. The original lineup was so great and they had a great run of amazing records. It started going downhill after Chris DeGarmo left. But I was pretty shocked when Geoff was fired. To me, he will always be the voice of Queensryche. Nothing against Todd La Torre, but to me, it's now a different band. And now we have the Scott Rockenfield lawsuit situation. So sad that two very important original members of one of my favorite metal bands get fired.

  • @muziktrkr
    @muziktrkr Рік тому +1

    The Smiths. Evanescence. Public Image Ltd. Supertramp. Beach Boys. RATT. Black Flag. Pixies. Dead Kennedys. Dio. Ozzy. Pantera (when Vinnie was still alive). KISS. Rolling Stones mid-80s. Pink Floyd. Everly Brothers. Blink 182. Led Zeppelin never feuded (Bonzo brawling is a whole other story) but when excluded John Paul Jones for "Unplugged", JPJ took a jab at Plant and Page about it when Led Zep were inducted in the Rock Hall. Elvis Costello refusing to reunite all The Attractions and Debbie Harry refusing to do a full Blondie reunion at the Rock Hall, definitely should be included. The Lindsey and Stevie "drama" of Fleetwood Mac. Ian Anderson vs Martin Barre. Until 2 weeks ago, Talking Heads. With CCR and The Band, the feuding really started happening after those bands broke up.

  • @patriotpizzaman
    @patriotpizzaman Рік тому +2

    Two thumbs up on the Eagles take Martin! That was a hot take! I love the Eagles but, you can't argue that they're nice guys!

  • @arnaudb.7669
    @arnaudb.7669 Рік тому

    Great discussion.
    Thanks!

  • @scottkoltz1173
    @scottkoltz1173 Рік тому +2

    Oasis. The Gallagher Brothers are the poster characters of dysfunction.

  • @purpletemple1
    @purpletemple1 Рік тому +5

    I have such a great relationship with my brother, that I always find it incredibly sad to hear about those feuds between brothers in bands.
    Tom, John Sykes might have been waiting around for Coverdale to get better, but we have basically been waiting for John Sykes to come out of his slumber since Blue Murder...I'm not so sure John Sykes is such a reliable guy. Coverdale built Whitesnake from scratch, John Sykes CV certainly can't compare with DC's . Sykes was a great addition to WS, to say that he made "1987" alone is a bit of a stretch.
    Cheers.

  • @kowalsolosolo
    @kowalsolosolo Рік тому +2

    I am surprised Martin has not mentioned KK Downing vs Judas Priest feud.

  • @zandig666
    @zandig666 Рік тому +2

    Great episode Boys cheers 🤟🤟🤟🤟

  • @DanM-mi8oo
    @DanM-mi8oo Рік тому +2

    Regarding Dokken, one of the most notorious bands for feuds, infighting, and drama. If you believe Don Dokken, he claims that the money got split equally four ways, regardless of a band member’s actual contribution to the song writing. So $ in this case wouldn’t be the issue. But he says it was the heavy drug use among the other 3 that isolated him from the rest of the group. Also, he claims George Lynch had a problem with the band name from day one.

  • @INTOTHEPIT
    @INTOTHEPIT Рік тому +2

    Same with Accept Wolfhoffmann and UDO

    • @AlexVan1985
      @AlexVan1985 Рік тому +1

      Exactly. Who would've thought Peter Baltes would leave Accept for U.D.O. and U.D.O. would have more classic members of Accept than Accept!

  • @gwyld
    @gwyld Рік тому +3

    Queensryche, Judas Priest, Guns n Roses, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Foreigner, Megadeth, and most recently Slipknot/Stone Sour/CoreyTaylor's ego. Just off the top of my head.

  • @GregDanielakMusic
    @GregDanielakMusic Рік тому +1

    Queensryche is a great example. Japan (the band) breakup happened due to Karn & Sylvian having a huge fallout with each other beginning a years long feud that was squashed with the Rain Tree Crow reunion project in ‘91. Voivod (Blackie vs remaining band member lawsuits for Target Earth royalties etc.) Also the Misfits are legendary for their feuds.

  • @FeloniusMonkInGSharp
    @FeloniusMonkInGSharp Рік тому +1

    Scott Thunes vs the Zappa band
    Robert Fripp and Roger Waters vs whoever they are pissed at ...lol

  • @meloralovesdarkness2495
    @meloralovesdarkness2495 Рік тому +2

    First of all, let us not forget "YES" and their many traumatic Feuds that happened & Chris Squire was the ONLY member to be on All albums until his passing away. = Is Chris the Main start of the dissagreements? = Probably not, But is is a Constant! But the Good news is They All got together again and had a Huge HUG and got together again! = "YES"!!
    If I remember right, the "Bangles" had a small feud over All of the attention that Susanna Hoffs was getting as opposed to the other girls, as she was the Lead Singer, Smaller and Cuter as well.. I "Think" that they moved on and get along now, but do not quote me on that as I am to lazy to look into the subject further.. There Might have been the same kind of feud with the Go-Go's with Belinda as well maybe? The Very Early Riot Girl band "Babes in Toyland" between Kat Bejeland VS Courtney Love, who was in the band before "HOLE", was some news in Beljeland's Babes in Toyland biography.
    I can think of one other band..
    "TRIUMPH"! Rik Emmit VS Gil Moor and Mike Levine! After the "Surveillance" album, Rik was sick of the commercialism road that MCA wanted to go in with Triumph and the other two wanted to go in = This GREAT band died and Rarely ever get together anymore for ANYTHING, except a live show once in a decade! "Phil X" Rik's replacement did Nothing to keep this band going it seems.. I do not know if they still get along or not though.. Nor do I want to research further either.
    Awesome subject Contrarians!
    On one LAST NOTE..
    I would HATE to Work for Robert Fripp! He would be a joy to learn from for a guitarist, but he seems like a MF to work for. And for
    Good Reason For Sure! He IS King Crimson afer All! I do not of Any Feuds.. But just my observations!
    Side Track..
    I havent bothered listening to KISS since "Animalized".. I just can not stand Gene or Paul! = They Both SUCK and are Over rated buisness over Creativity and Selling Merch Deuch Bags IMHO!
    Cheers!
    🙂

  • @drummer78
    @drummer78 Рік тому +2

    Duran Duran..on top of the world in 1984 but then Andy Taylor and John Taylor want to “rock” American style and form The Power Station. Simon, Nick and Roger respond with their own more Euro DD type band Arcadia. They all reunite for Live Aid but that’s the end of the original lineup.

  • @inmyhouse11
    @inmyhouse11 Рік тому +1

    Ann and Nancy Wilson - Heart
    Dennis DeYoung and Styx

    • @LarryFleetwood8675
      @LarryFleetwood8675 Рік тому

      Good ones. Sometimes it even leads to two versions of a band, at one point there were also personal issues that led to two Saxon and two Survivor and in some ways there's two Venom now because of that.

  • @petebrown3715
    @petebrown3715 Рік тому +1

    Great show again as usual gents. Finishing watching0 had life interrupt ( family)

  • @martythemusicmonster6772
    @martythemusicmonster6772 Рік тому +2

    Ratt I don’t think was mentioned in any comments

  • @Qyngali
    @Qyngali Рік тому +1

    Queensrÿche, one of the most public fallouts the last decade, but started in the early 90's. First DeGarmo leaving, then Tate getting fired, followed later by Rockenfield disappearing. The Tate firing in 2012 on its own was obviously the most public, with the lawsuit, fight among the fans (which is still going on), 2 albums the same year by 2 different versions of the band etc. etc. The band members have at least mellowed on it nowadays, the fanbases still bickering in the YT comment sections to some degree though.

  • @Palace-of-Madness
    @Palace-of-Madness Рік тому +2

    More should have spoken on Iasis as they are massive in this feud business.

    • @thecontrarians2438
      @thecontrarians2438  Рік тому +2

      That could be its own episode!

    • @liquidvizionsmadferit
      @liquidvizionsmadferit Рік тому +1

      make it happen! it's a topic that hasn't been done to death and I can bet it'd get massive hits and likes on this!@@thecontrarians2438

  • @drummer78
    @drummer78 Рік тому

    Panelist goes deep on Paramore and I only know them from the OnA Reddit parody of Anthony Cumia “Ain’t it Fun”. Worlds collide.

  • @BunterHiden66
    @BunterHiden66 Рік тому +2

    too many commentators. Long form discussions like this should be no more than 3 or 4 people. Popoff should be the lead as he's the master of all ceremonies

  • @bluejayfan5584
    @bluejayfan5584 Рік тому +3

    Eagles for sure. I know there are two sides to every story but I heard Felder's side and I'm on team Felder.

    • @muziktrkr
      @muziktrkr Рік тому +1

      They burned out by 1980 and Frey was sick of Felder, but what is kept under wraps is Henley vs Frey and wasn't mentioned in the documentary, but I know they were feuding.

  • @Floodland-bn3ol
    @Floodland-bn3ol Рік тому +2

    Disagree about The Police reunion. None of the past in-fighting affected the performance of the live music. It was a great concert. The Eagles is a great feud because the underdog, Don Felder, won in the end.

  • @Primordilian
    @Primordilian Рік тому +2

    Grand Funk Railroad

  • @patriotpizzaman
    @patriotpizzaman Рік тому +1

    Black Country Communion is great on every album and the new album on the way is my most anticipated new release coming up. I have to encourage you to come back to the band. You won't regret it. K.K. is a little bit of a sad sack. I feel bad for him. It is actually pretty pathetic but, I think he still plays well for a guy in his 70s.

  • @DBTdad
    @DBTdad Рік тому

    Hackett era Genesis! Love those albums!

  • @Duqsteel1115
    @Duqsteel1115 Рік тому +1

    Martin hit most of my top bands, but I would throw in Aerosmith and Ratt.

  • @grumqa
    @grumqa 9 місяців тому

    Definitely a knocks it out of the park episode.

  • @FeloniusMonkInGSharp
    @FeloniusMonkInGSharp Рік тому

    Couples feuds:
    Sonic Youth
    Fleetwood Mac

  • @williamgainford9332
    @williamgainford9332 Рік тому

    michael and rudy schenker - got to the point michael used actually slag rudy live on stage lol

  • @sspbrazil
    @sspbrazil Рік тому +1

    The Police was Stewart’s band and he was always the heart of the band in my opinion. Sting went off to a solo career yes, but none of his solo albums could match the brilliance of The Police, I find his solo albums incredibly boring too, faux jazz for white Yuppies.

  • @onekoolmedic
    @onekoolmedic Рік тому +2

    Ratt
    LA guns
    Judas Priest & KK
    Skid row
    Great white

  • @tillwesenberg1178
    @tillwesenberg1178 Рік тому +1

    I, actually, was never interested in Journey and I was, actually, intersted in a lot of bands over the years.🤔

  • @greghansell5115
    @greghansell5115 Рік тому +1

    Has anyone every mentioned that a certain panel member looks a bit like a certain Welsh band frontman?

  • @cabowabodude
    @cabowabodude Рік тому

    no mention of poison??

  • @DS-hs3qp
    @DS-hs3qp 5 місяців тому

    How about Fleetwood Mac during the recording of Rumours.

  • @28451104
    @28451104 Рік тому

    Don Doken vs George Lynch
    Queensryche vs Geoff Tate vs Scott Rockenfield

  • @michaelbaucom4019
    @michaelbaucom4019 Рік тому

    Kansas: Steve Walsh got jealous that Kerry Livgren was writing the band's more successful songs( and Livgren's lyrics becoming more Christian based also irked Walsh, leading to him leaving the band)
    Supertramp: Roger Hodgson and Rick Davies became more and more alienated with each other, and Hodgson also was starting to alienate other band members too over musical direction(Hodgson was wanting to simplify and get poppier, the rest of the band wanted to go for more jazz/blues/prog). Sax player John Helliwell has stated that Hodgson was always wanting to leave during his whole tenure(not only for music conflicts, Hodgson wanted to travel/spend more time with family)
    Dire Straits: Mark Knopfler feuded with his brother David, David left Dire Straits because of this(David also wanted to go solo, since Mark refused to let anyone else write songs)

  • @robbiecube6107
    @robbiecube6107 Рік тому

    The Dictators - Andy Shernoff vs. Handsome Dick Manitoba.
    Andy stops HDM at every turn. HDM's Dictators NYC, playing Andy's originals, without Andy in the band. Andy finally won the band name, he's out touring under The Dictators name, with Ross The Boss. HDM isn't involved, he's playing under the HDM name.

  • @brucybabyy7355
    @brucybabyy7355 Рік тому

    no deep purple?

    • @JCStorm76
      @JCStorm76 Рік тому +4

      Martin mentioned them in passing when he held up The House Of The Blue Light frame

  • @squirrelinatree7241
    @squirrelinatree7241 Рік тому

    I wish Matthew Fisher stayed with Procol Harum.

  • @jakepetri5624
    @jakepetri5624 7 місяців тому

    To much police talk

  • @sspbrazil
    @sspbrazil Рік тому

    KIX lol. I had no idea they even existed anymore. Talk about nobody cares.

    • @czarevich
      @czarevich Рік тому +2

      They just played to over 10k people in Baltimore MD. They’ve been bigger than ever in the US.

    • @sspbrazil
      @sspbrazil Рік тому

      @@czarevich that’s funny.

    • @JohntheMusicNut
      @JohntheMusicNut Рік тому +3

      @@sspbrazil It is true though. I was one of the 10k people in Baltimore last week to see Kix. It was a great show and sadly, their last one.

    • @sspbrazil
      @sspbrazil Рік тому

      @@JohntheMusicNut my condolences. Lol

    • @jockmctodger
      @jockmctodger Рік тому

      ​@@sspbrazilWhat's the name of your band? lol

  • @BrianFalarski
    @BrianFalarski 10 місяців тому

    When i was 12 synchronicity came out....and i was a lifer