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I am an older dude, new to woodworking and I am floored that every question I have you already have a video for. I truly love your channel, I have learned so much from these videos. Thank you and cheers from North Carolina !!
I love all of these tips and tricks, I started refinishing furniture with my mother when I was a young girl and I still love doing it today I'm just now getting into woodworking, I built a gorgeous little playhouse for my grandson in the back yard out of pallet wood, and I'm so impressed that I did that by myself. To be honest, I learned a lot of the things that I built from UA-cam. What my husband calls, UA-cam University, and I love it. Even he was impressed with the playhouse.
Pretty good video showing some fundamental things to start out with in a shop. I designed industrial pneumatic conveying and dust control systems in hazardous environments (both for explosive and toxic dusts) for some time so I can't go by a shop dust video without stopping for a look. Don't get too hung up on "suction power". Being able to lift a bowling ball with your shop vac is not an indicator of whether or not it will control dust. Shop vacs, as you stated, are not primarily designed for dust collection. But rather, like most vacuums, they develop a high vacuum so they can lift dense things like welding slag or suck something out of a 3-foot-deep hole. Or power through when someone dunks the hose into a pile of something. The most important parameters are air volume and conveying velocity. Shop dust collection would be classified as a very dilute phase pneumatic conveying system. Even in systems strung out in a 2500 s.f. shop, it's easy to keep system pressure drop to a few inches of water. In my current shop, I have a 650 cfm Delta single stage unit and a no-name 400 cfm unit that is 40 years old. Both are only capable of about 7-8 in W.G. suction but that is more than enough for even a poorly laid out system---like mine. When I moved into my current basement shop, I had to agree to downsize to only about 650 s.f. so my stationary machines are hooked to the Delta with 4" hose laying on the floor in a network with blast gates. The farthest run is about 15' and it produces a pressure drop of about 1". I have Powertec 1-micron bags on top and bottom of both collectors, so I have a back pressure of 1-1.5" of W.G. making the total pressure drop 2-2.5" W.G. (all checked with a manometer). Both units can still move about 80% of their rated volume at that dP. In 4" hose that that's over 5500 ft/min at the pickup. And, since it's a vacuum system, the velocity is increasing as it gets closer to the fan as the pressure decreases. The Delta unit has enough capacity to successfully power a 6" system if it's well designed. Saw dust or even chips off of a planer/jointer only need a pickup velocity of about 2700 fpm to be conveyed. As a rule of thumb, you want a minimum 2.2 cf/lb of conveyed material and no non-commercial woodworking machine can produce dust fast enough to approach that for even the smallest fan driven dust collector. The 40-year-old unit was my only one for 10 years and it never clogged up extracting dust from my 13" planers. The most critical thing is how the dust generating point is collected. I have 5 shop vacs of various sizes that are used for sanders, routers, drill press and the dust port on my miter saw. The rest of the time they're used for clean-up of fugitive dust. Again, good advice.
I'm a "do my cutting at the end of the garage with the big door open" type dust collector myself. Followed by the leaf blower technique lol But after this bathroom remodel, I've decided my next big project is garage makeover. Building new work benches, hanging shelves, shop vac + dust deputy dust collection, etc. I'm tired of climbing over things and searching all over the garage for tools and fasteners I need. It adds probably 15%+ time to every project having to hunt for what I need, or having to move stuff to get to it. Now the trick is not convincing myself I need everything that every professional wood worker needs lol
yeah and when it really sucks is if you only have a little bit of time, and like half of the time ends up being cleaning up the mess you left behind so you have a place to work and can find the tools you need
You are the first person I've been able to find that's covered the static issue, specifically to that planer. I can't find another good solution. I've run every type of static tape and can't seem to dissipate all the static from the planer.
I use rigid shop vac 16 gallon with green HEPA filter, generic dust bags, Oneida low profile dust deputy ( costs about 1/2 that of mullet ), can fill the 5 gallon Oneida collector and wish I had 10 gallon when using planner and jointer on local saw mill rough wood. Easy to disconnect the 5 gallon bucket, walk out to large rolling garbage can and dump) . I had a huge shop with central Oneida cyclone and loved it . Currently in 2 car garage .
Yes, I use a leaf blower! Daily pretty much! Also, another option, I use a central vac! You can mount and plumb it like a big 4+ inch but use smaller 2” which takes less room and costs WAY less than 4” pipe. It has a butt ton more suction than a shop vac or an extractor! Down side is the affordable ones are loud, but can easily be mounted behind a wall or something to negate the noise. Add a smaller, less expensive cyclone, with a larger trash can than like that mullet thing and you got longer term use before emptying is needed. They aren’t cheap but way less than equivalent 4” setups, and cheaper even than extractors in general. Near perfect for small shops. I use mine on my CNC even.!
I bought the mullet dust collection a few years ago, it didn't seem to pick up quite as much as the dust deputy did but I do like its solid one piece design. Back then it also came with a piece of metallic tape that you fastened to the collection bucket where the intake hose fastened, for static discharge purposes.
Matt, the Mullet looks interesting. I work in mill shops for movie and TV productions. Lots of MDF and masonite, as well as conventional wood products. A couple of years ago, I got the Oneida Dust Deputy to add to my shopvac for routers, etc, used around my fab-table. It uses two, stacked 5 gallon buckets. The bottom one holds your ballast, because it's top-heavy and tippy. It was amazing, the difference. Like you, almost nothing in the vac cannister. All in the bottom of the cyclone. I went to the CleanStream GoreTex HEPA filter. Just knock it, and it's clean to go again. I think it has a lifetime warranty, if you don't wet it. Two moving units was a hassle, so I made a shelf on the feet of my vac, added a swivel caster, and problem solved. Dust Deputy side-car. In the back. Keep up the good work, AmigoBuddyDude!
I looked up the mullet, and it's 500$ in canada. I loled... I made my own cyclon with a 5 gal bucket and 2-3 hoses attachements that i made myself with cookie saw in spare woods that we all get, and voila, it worked perfectly. Yes this is not mobile with the shopvac, but, and that's a big BUT, I used the lincoln street woodworks tips about dust collection : making a moving arm... Thus the only thing which moves in my area is that arm, above my head that I can attach to anything I'm doing. This is honnestly the perfect thing as I don't have a lot of space and as moving the shopvac is kinda painfull. It is so easy to build, and so cool to use, I even put an electrical outlet at the end of the arm so I can power anything (mainly my sander) and do my job anywhere I need in the shop depending on what I'm building. and then the big, big thing : as my shopvac isn't moving, I used vaccumm pipes to build an extract pipe from the shopvac to an outside vent, so any extra fine dust not filtered gets outside. Nothing left in the shop except what was not picked by the shopvac. Let met tell you that everything is really neat. If you have any venting outside that is running close to you, that's what i'd recommand.
"and that's a big BUT" Honestly, it's not that big of a but. Anyone who's reasonably handy could pretty easily replicate what they've done with the mullet by using some PVC pipe and hose adapters. Even easier if you have a 3D printer. They should be ashamed to charge that much for a plastic bucket and some pipe.
Great video Matt. I just had an electrician wire the room I am going to use as my workshop, for a CNC and track saw. I’ve been looking at dust collection and you provided some valuable info.
Hey Matt, I've had the Mullet Dust Cyclone for a few years now and love it. I've thought about building something to stack it on top of my wet vac, so it takes up less floor space, but never got around to it yet.
I just bought the Craftsman shop vac and an Oneida Dust Deputy 2.5. I'm hoping that combo will work for awhile until I'm ready to step up to something a little fancier. I'll check out the Rockler attachments combo, that looks pretty handy!
Bought an Oneida Dust Deputy for my garage woodshop. Upgraded it with a 32 gal. trash with the Rockler cyclone dust ports when I bought a Delta 735 thickness planer to collect the larger chips. Bought the 2 hp. Harbor Freight dust collector & added it to my shop built in 2021.
This was a great practical video. Thank you! Interestingly, I discovered the “leaf blower in the garage “ for the final clean out too! Also, using a portable air cleaner was a godsend, especially when I am doing hobby projects with Balsa wood sanding!
Hey just a quest on router handling at 1:08 You go from left to right while your fence is at the bottom. (assumed the vid is not mirrored ) To describe it easier: if you'd lead the router away from you, the fence should be at the left of the router, no? Otherwise it's pushed away from the fence. Or do you just push it very firm against the fence to avoid this? I'm confused...!😊
Matt, you should check out the DeWalt Stealthsonic series of dust vacs. I picked up the 9 gallon version and was shocked by how quiet it is. It's a little more expensive, but what a massive difference it makes. Great suction too. Hooked mine up to a cyclone and got a $30 remote control outlet switch. Love it. Now I'm thinking of picking up an additional 16 gallon version, and dedicating the smaller one to my miter saw station.
Love your videos and the range of woodworkers you reach out to (i.e., from beginner to advanced). Could you do one (for those woodworkers working out of their garage) ... on suggested layout for electric receptacle location. I have 2 standard outlets in my garage and am wanting to hire an electrician to add some more ... but what would you suggest a small workshop needs?
For my Shapeoko CNC, I use a Rigid 6.5hp shopvac. The dust is first routed through a Duststopper bucket top dust seperator, then through the vacuum, and the exhaust from the vacuum is routed out of the shop through the wall. I also replaced the vacuum filter with the one designed for water pickup thinking that maybe it was less restrictive on the air flow.
Great video as always! I got a Bauer wet/dry vac and the Bauer cyclone separator and they both work just fine even though the separator was smaller than I was expecting lol. I got the vacuum on sale for $40 and the separator is $40 both are at harbor freight. I work on my front porch so I don't have a shop, yet and hopefully I will be on UA-cam so that's a goal I have. Eventually I would love to have some big brand name equipment, however there is nothing wrong with starting off small. I'm always looking for an inexpensive way to do things so I can build up to the better stuff. I will let you know how that works out. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
On the db readings. It's a logarithmic scale, so a 3db lower reading, for example, would mean the sound pressure is halved. As you said yourself, it sounds a lot quieter, and it really is!
I use a Dyson vac and a homemade cyclone interceptor (a plastic bucket with a couple of 3D printer nozzles in the lid) ... total cost £30. The Dyson has HEPA filters (hardly anything gets to the vac). Referencing the importance of dust masks ... I ended up in A&E when I emptied my dust collection vessels (bucket and the vac). The inside of my mouth and my tongue swelled up. So, masks are very important while working and cleaning. Love your videos. Derek (UK).
Great video and love your T-shirts! I'm looking to set up a small power workstation in my shop and toying with the idea of getting a bench top dust collector (either by PSI or Oneida) but I also have a one-stage dust collector so a down draft table may also be a good option. Just curious what you might recommend for power carving where I'll be using a Foredom and micro motor carver.
I use one of the filter socks on a HEPA filter in shop vac along with a bag. I have had the bags pop off the connecter. The sock will clog, and some fines will find away though the top of the sock. I don't have a cyclone separator yet. I don't bother with a bag when using a plainer. If the sock is clogged, I hang it outside and let the weather clean it. As far as the filter I have a small post outside my shop door. I will stand up wind and blow the filter out with an air line and long blow gun.
The stealthsonic is awesome. Way quieter than the the Stanley shop vac. And fantastic suction. We had some water in our basement and the stealthsonic almost sucked the carpet dry. I have mine paired with a Dustopper cyclone.
Hercules from Harbor Freight has a new 12 gallon hepa dust extractor for $299. Would be great to see a review for that! Has autostart when turning on a tool, suction level control and auto cleaning of the hepa filter, looks like a steal if it works as advertised!
I do this too. The dusthopper is like $30 and the bucket is $5, way cheaper than the Mullet. I also bought a 3rd party HEPA filter for the vac in addition to the bag and that combination works well.
I love the project book! I'll save mine after I fill it up but I will purchase another. I remember all my loose pages and project files... What a blessing this book is!
Dewalt makes a stealth Sonic. These things are extremely quiet compared to a standered shop vac. I have the craftsman you showed. The dewalt is half as loud. I keep I hooked to my shapeoko 5 pro 4x4, and Haven't had any regrets
@user-kv1ns5te2r I will give the craftsman credit, though. It's a great vac. But if sound is a issue. The dewalt is that way to go. You can stand right beside it and carry on a normal conversation with it running.
Thanks for the videos. Big help for a newbie weekend DIYer. Liked the suggestion for the Rockler hose. The one that comes with the Ridgid is pretty stiff.
I've seen others comment on this, but really think you need to review the Dewalt Stealthsonic line before making further recommendations, my own experience the Stealthsonic being MUCH quieter. Up until I purchased Stealthsonic the prior two vacuums I owned prior, besides being much louder had that high pitch whine that was exhausting. And, now that the vacuum is quieter it has removed one of the major reasons (perhaps the last major one) for my interest in acquiring a dust extractor. Most shop vacuums today have OEM and third part alternatives allowing highly effective collection bags and HEPA filters to be installed also removing another reason(s) to buy multiple devices. At this point the only advantage(s) I can see to purchasing a dust extractor today are size (though nothing says an individual can't acquire smaller unit(s) to fit under a table surface, for example) and/or variable speed, that I doubt may people use. Basically, my own view is most of the advantages of dust extractors are gone with shop vacs having the advantage of additional air flow also working in situations where larger chip removal is necessary (small diameter hose on a dust extractor would never allow this making the extractor much less versatile) not even to mention the greatly reduced cost of a shop vac. Just my two cents. Thanks for your info, as always.
I’m a big fan of your channel, but I needed a refresher for a specific somthin on a current build and the 1st recommendation was a 3+ year old build video of yours that was really helpful and it made me miss your builds. I get that you went to tool reviews but I wish you would throw in an occasional build video like old days. It’s why a lot of us fell in love with you. Ps… loved that mullet graffix
I have the similar Craftsman model as the one in the video. Yeah buddy, it's loud. I use hearing protection the moment I step into the shop. I need to get better at breathing protection. Nice video, nice product.
Great and very informative video Matt! I'd love to see a comparison of the MULLET vs ONEIDA cyclone on top of a bucket (not their full-size system). I'm at a point now since I bought my CNC that I want to replace my Dustopper with something better - it's either the Mullet or the Oneida Dust Deputy 2.5.
I watched your review of the 3M dust extractor and purchased it after to go along with the 3M sander you reviewed as we. I really like them both, and they work great. I have since purchased the Oneida Supercell, which I also got to see when you were at the tool show.
Great video as always! And yes I use a leaf blower! Lol😂 I always wondered if anyone else used the same system of blowing out garage after work with a blower. Great way to get all the stuff you can’t see or get to. Thanks again.
You really should have looked into the Oneida Dust Deputy instead of the Mullet. I have one and love it, actually on my second! Way easier to empty since the cyclone empties into a 5 gallon bucket. I made a cart that carries the Dust Deputy and shop vac.
I think Shop Vac brand's HEPA filters will also fit the Craftsman vac. I have that brand and use the HEPA bags in the shop. In fact, I just googled for HEPA bags now, and I see that there are a lot more brand choices than say, six months ago. Cool. I had the Dust Right collector and it worked very well. However, it couldn't handle the dust from the DW 735 planer due to it's built-in chip blower. The chips blew right through the lid seal onto the floor. I switched to the Oneida Deluxe 10 Gal. which has been flawless. I also have the Ultimate for my Festool extractor. The Dust Right works great if you don't have the DW 735 planer.
I got the HF brand mask and it works well. Only draw back is the filters look like tissue paper compared to what it looks like the RZ brand has. I may be buying an RZ in the near future and will look at the M2 over the M3. Thanks for the quick comparison on them!
Love your passion for tools! You have to try the RYOBI P738 power inflator. I don't know how I lived without it. Just enough wind to blow off any tool or surface in my shop without the overkill of the leaf blower which is defiantly the way to go as long as your wife's car isn't parked in front of the garage lol.
I got my first Festool tool on order and it is the ct 36 I'm glad yor recommend it! I can't wait to use it! How often do you have to change the bag on the dust extractor?
So comparing the Dust right to the mullet, other than the more compact unit, is there a difference in quality of the collection? Is one better than the other?
You are not wrong, those static shocks are no joke. If you add extra hose, adding a ground wire is a must or those shocks hit hard enough to actually leave a mark. Ask me how I know... An idea to pass along - I built a cart to keep that shop vac (which is great), Oneida 5 gallon dust deputy, 20' of hose, plus the tools, extension tubes, bags, filters, a 20' 1.5" hose with it's adapters and tools (great for car wash day, sanders, etc.) all together. It's not pretty as it was built quick out of shop scraps as a proof of concept, but it works really well for me. Everything moves as one unit, you have plenty of cord and hose, and 4 wheel swivel casters (with brake. Always with brake, trust me) to put and keep it out of your way while you're working, and roll it back when you're done.
When I worked at Drexel Heritage, sometimes I would have to work in the ruff end department on a rip saw. The shock was so bad and loud that you could hear it over all of the machines. You could see it a couple inches above the table. The winter time was the worst with the dry cold air.
The good old Craftsman 16 gallon wet/dry vac has been a staple of small shops for decades. I am on my second one in roughly 30 years and I converted it to use HEPA filters. However, when it died I chose the DEWALT 9 Gallon STEALTHSONIC Ultra Quiet Poly Wet/Dry Vacuum, DXV09P-QTA to replace it as it is significantly quieter than the Craftsman and has better suction. I coupled that with the PRO, Low-Profile Dust Separator for Shop Wet/Dry Vacuums for a 5 gallon bucket and it works great with my different sanders, track saw, routers, and hand power tools. I wish they had made quiet vacuums like this years ago. I have since built in a customized Harbor Freight dust separator with a Oneida Air Systems Super Dust Deputy that dumps directly into a 30 gallon wheeled garbage can for my stationary power tools and have used it to collect dust from over 100K board feet of lumber I've processed. When I am processing a lot of wood, the dust collector dumps directly into my 16K dump trailer which holds over 6 cubic yards of shavings, chips, and sawdust. Over that period of time I've gone from a small garage based shop to a 2400 square foot shop. Dust collection has been a long incremental journey but the shop vac dust collection still is a successful choice for small shops.
for dust I use a shop vac and a cone shaped cyclone separater. Got it from china for about 16.00. that is attached to the top of a 5 gal bucket and it all works well. got the adapter set from Rockler and I can hook up to any of my tools. To save steps I have the table saw and dust rig on a remote fob that I carry with me so powering on and off is so simple. I love my dust rig. BTW I am not just satisfied, I am shocked at how well that cyclone separates the dust from the air.
Wondering if the shop vac/ mullet works with the 735 planer? My understanding is that the planer has its own blower that is more powerful than the suction on the shop vac. Just got the 735 so I’m looking for the best setup.
Been subscribed since you had like 90k subscribers, I absolutely love the helpful content you put out, it's like project Farm material for woodworkers...would love to see you guys join forces some time!
The new Dewalt Stealthsonic Vacs are super quiet. I use a 25 foot pool hose and homemade fittings so I can reach just about anywhere in my shop without having to move tha vacuum and Dust Deputy around so much.
I made a timber collection box that takes a big garbage bin bag, I retro fitted a Dust stopper cyclone (sealed with Sika 11FC), been using it for 4 years, still on the same bag in the shopvac as basically nothing gets through to the bag, only thing, I wish the hose that connects to the tablesaw was another 12" longer
Second pool filter tip. Pool filter socks. Stretchy filter covers to stop fines clogging your filter. I use 2, one one the internal filter and a 2nd on the exhaust filter (no HEPA).
Found a HEPA filter for that Craftsman vacuum (I have the exact same one) and a filter cover, so the combination of that with the fine particle bag, and I use an Oneida Dust Deputy, means that the output muffler that I put on the vacuum (which doesn’t really make it much quieter…), Is an easy way for me to check how much stuff it’s pushing out and there’s no sign of anything. After a couple of months of use with lots of sanding, table saw, jointer, miter saw and planer work, all connected one at a time to the vac, my filter is also still brand new. In my personal Craftsman vac vs Festool vac comparison, the Craftsman with the HEPA won out, as it flows much more and is much less expensive. Parts and filters are cheap too. In my small shop, I take dust collection as seriously as I can, so in addition to this, I use a Corsi Rosenthal filter I made from a box fan and 4 x 3M MERV13 furnace filters and that cleans all the air in the shop in just a few minutes. Once in a while, I use the vacuum (through the Dust Deputy), to vacuum off the furnace filters, even if I can’t see any dust on them. It’s a great setup and not too pricey. Even when we think we’ve got all the dust in the shop picked up by the vac and we vacuum off all our machines, all we have to do is when we enter the shop the following day, take a look at the top of all the machines, and there will be a tiny layer of dust on top. If you were to leave the filter running for a couple of hours maybe when you leave the shop, the next morning, you will notice less dust on top of anything in the shop, because it continually filters the air and circulates it and eventually all the air in the room will make it through that filter Several times. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks Matt! Just ordered a Woodworker’s Chronicle book. Need to keep better track of projects and I like what you’ve put in it! Marker’s Custom Creations Menifee, CA
I've been thinking about running my shop vac into my dust collection system. This way, I do not need filters. I believe the shop vac would do the work, and the dust collector would do the work and the dust collector would filter the air. I even think if the shop vac does fill, it will almost be like an auto emptying feature. I would only use this on the miter saw and sanders etc.
I’ve used 3 shop vacs for years. One for my miter saw station, one that connected to a dust deputy for general cleanup, my bandsaw and bench sanders, and the last is a small vac I use on my hand sanders. I also have a small dust collection unit I use on my table saw, jointer and planer. I’d use the dust collection unit on most everything but I’m lazy and never piped it to the machines and really don’t have the room. I used to use my compressor and air hose to blow debris, but again, I’m lazy so just use a leaf blower for everything and it works amazingly well. I used to use air brad nailers, but end up pulling out my battery nailer because…I’m lazy! Unfortunately, I’ve bought several hose kits to find the right connections to fit my tools, including the rocker set, but I still have machines that I can’t find fittings for and I don’t own a 3D printer to make them.
I just need the fittings to attach the tools to the hose. Seeing as how I’m ordering it anyway being able to pick and choose what pieces I need would be best. I have both the dewalt and Milwaukee cordless routers along with 2 table saws, miter saw rand a corded routers in a table. Why nobody offers this as an option blows my mind. I use a shop vac and the dust deputy which are in a “closet” behind my wood shop which help keep the noise down.
would love to see your thoughts on the dewalt stealthsonic shop vacs, i have one and i think its great how much quieter it seems to be than my vacmaster
I have that same shop vac, i have the oneida cyclone (w/e that was most popular for years before) and I built a roll thing that the cyclone sits on top, has holders for all the shopvac tools/parts, i put it corner of garage/shop. I then made an arm (boom arm?) out of plywood, cut many holes in to reduce weight and make tie off points, ran the hose from cyclone up along arm, than have the adapter type hose you linked (not same brand but same idea) i have a 12' attached and a 30' when I want to work outside. The arm also has power 3 plugs, the power for shopvac runs up to that, so 2 plugs for tools I'm working with. The arm follows around entire shop/garage and everything get's sucked up. I didn't know about the bag, going to do that. Can I clean my filter or do I have to buy new one? It is kind of bad now from all the fine dust.
For air cleaners nothing beats the powermatic afc1250, it’s better than the big ones like your Laguna. I’m going to buy one at some point. I have a similar unit to you… it’s a little larger it same thing
The mullet dust collector looks great except the price for a all plastic build ! The cheapest I could find it was $260, were as my Dewalt stainless steel separator is over a $100 cheaper.
Decibels are on a logarithmic scale. For example, if something is measured at 10 dB, to get to 20dB would make it 10 times in intensity. 30dB would be 1,000 times the intensity than 10dB and so on. So, moving up and down a few decibels is actually a big change overall.
@6:50 Regarding sanding, orbital sanders can gouge the workpiece if there is a lot of dust buildup on the surface; adding dust collection eliminates the issue. Yes, that's what the finer grits are for, but why make extra work for yourself?
Hmmm... cannot find it on the web site. Did you mean the BAUER Cyclone Dust Separator Kit for 5 Gallon Buckets, which is like a Dust Deputy, or a Dust Right Separator?
The problem is have with the Rockler hose you showed is its weight. Often I set my sander down on the workbench and the weight of the hose drags it onto the floor with a crash.
Keep in mind when doing the sound comparison that sound level is done in sound pressure and it’s on a log scale with a weighting in this case weighting A. So Keeping that in mind, the sound pressure is doubling every 3 to 5 dBA. So the difference between 77dBA to 83dBA is actually twice as loud. Another thing to keep in mind is when your buying hearing protection noise reduction ratings are done in weighting-C so to avoid having to calculate the difference subtract seven from whatever the reading is and that’s roughly the protection you’re getting. An NRR of 27 is lowering the noise about 20dBA.
I believe that 90 degree bend is called a sweep or street or both depending areas you grew up in. Mostly used in drainage as it’s gravity fed really. Easiest path to remove waste aka dust.
Not sure if anyone has any advice, but I attached my small shop vac to a cyclone collector for my shop. But when I attach this rig to my sander, the suction is so much it implodes my 5 gallon bucket. Any advice?
I had the Mullet when it was first released. It was difficult to empty. The lid was poorly fit, and left fine dust everywhere. The static build up was constantly shocking me with the hose attached to it. And it was really a hassle to have it attached to the shop vac and dragging it all around the shop. I finally got rid of it. Worst purchase I had made for my shop.
So on the difference in sound, keep in mind that decibels are done in a logarithmic scale with power doubling every 3 to 5 dB. Measuring the sound gets weird your measuring the sound pressure level, but it’s about twice as loud.
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I am an older dude, new to woodworking and I am floored that every question I have you already have a video for. I truly love your channel, I have learned so much from these videos. Thank you and cheers from North Carolina !!
I love all of these tips and tricks, I started refinishing furniture with my mother when I was a young girl and I still love doing it today I'm just now getting into woodworking, I built a gorgeous little playhouse for my grandson in the back yard out of pallet wood, and I'm so impressed that I did that by myself. To be honest, I learned a lot of the things that I built from UA-cam. What my husband calls, UA-cam University, and I love it. Even he was impressed with the playhouse.
After watching your video, I immediately ordered the Rockler adapter kit. It was on sale for $39.95, a $10 savings. I can't wait to try it! 😃😃😃❤❤❤
Pretty good video showing some fundamental things to start out with in a shop. I designed industrial pneumatic conveying and dust control systems in hazardous environments (both for explosive and toxic dusts) for some time so I can't go by a shop dust video without stopping for a look.
Don't get too hung up on "suction power". Being able to lift a bowling ball with your shop vac is not an indicator of whether or not it will control dust. Shop vacs, as you stated, are not primarily designed for dust collection. But rather, like most vacuums, they develop a high vacuum so they can lift dense things like welding slag or suck something out of a 3-foot-deep hole. Or power through when someone dunks the hose into a pile of something.
The most important parameters are air volume and conveying velocity. Shop dust collection would be classified as a very dilute phase pneumatic conveying system. Even in systems strung out in a 2500 s.f. shop, it's easy to keep system pressure drop to a few inches of water.
In my current shop, I have a 650 cfm Delta single stage unit and a no-name 400 cfm unit that is 40 years old. Both are only capable of about 7-8 in W.G. suction but that is more than enough for even a poorly laid out system---like mine. When I moved into my current basement shop, I had to agree to downsize to only about 650 s.f. so my stationary machines are hooked to the Delta with 4" hose laying on the floor in a network with blast gates.
The farthest run is about 15' and it produces a pressure drop of about 1". I have Powertec 1-micron bags on top and bottom of both collectors, so I have a back pressure of 1-1.5" of W.G. making the total pressure drop 2-2.5" W.G. (all checked with a manometer). Both units can still move about 80% of their rated volume at that dP. In 4" hose that that's over 5500 ft/min at the pickup. And, since it's a vacuum system, the velocity is increasing as it gets closer to the fan as the pressure decreases. The Delta unit has enough capacity to successfully power a 6" system if it's well designed.
Saw dust or even chips off of a planer/jointer only need a pickup velocity of about 2700 fpm to be conveyed. As a rule of thumb, you want a minimum 2.2 cf/lb of conveyed material and no non-commercial woodworking machine can produce dust fast enough to approach that for even the smallest fan driven dust collector. The 40-year-old unit was my only one for 10 years and it never clogged up extracting dust from my 13" planers. The most critical thing is how the dust generating point is collected.
I have 5 shop vacs of various sizes that are used for sanders, routers, drill press and the dust port on my miter saw. The rest of the time they're used for clean-up of fugitive dust.
Again, good advice.
I'm a "do my cutting at the end of the garage with the big door open" type dust collector myself. Followed by the leaf blower technique lol
But after this bathroom remodel, I've decided my next big project is garage makeover. Building new work benches, hanging shelves, shop vac + dust deputy dust collection, etc. I'm tired of climbing over things and searching all over the garage for tools and fasteners I need. It adds probably 15%+ time to every project having to hunt for what I need, or having to move stuff to get to it.
Now the trick is not convincing myself I need everything that every professional wood worker needs lol
yeah and when it really sucks is if you only have a little bit of time, and like half of the time ends up being cleaning up the mess you left behind so you have a place to work and can find the tools you need
You are the first person I've been able to find that's covered the static issue, specifically to that planer. I can't find another good solution. I've run every type of static tape and can't seem to dissipate all the static from the planer.
I use rigid shop vac 16 gallon with green HEPA filter, generic dust bags, Oneida low profile dust deputy ( costs about 1/2 that of mullet ), can fill the 5 gallon Oneida collector and wish I had 10 gallon when using planner and jointer on local saw mill rough wood. Easy to disconnect the 5 gallon bucket, walk out to large rolling garbage can and dump) . I had a huge shop with central Oneida cyclone and loved it .
Currently in 2 car garage .
You misunderstood, I use the stand alone HEPA filter, it never clogs as long as generic bags don’t rupture
Yes, I use a leaf blower! Daily pretty much! Also, another option, I use a central vac! You can mount and plumb it like a big 4+ inch but use smaller 2” which takes less room and costs WAY less than 4” pipe. It has a butt ton more suction than a shop vac or an extractor! Down side is the affordable ones are loud, but can easily be mounted behind a wall or something to negate the noise. Add a smaller, less expensive cyclone, with a larger trash can than like that mullet thing and you got longer term use before emptying is needed. They aren’t cheap but way less than equivalent 4” setups, and cheaper even than extractors in general. Near perfect for small shops. I use mine on my CNC even.!
Thanks for all the great information! I do use a leaf blower to clean up at the end of the day too. Works great!
I was looking for how to set up a large dust collection system. Tired of sucking wood chips from my planer with a shop vac. It fills up fast.
I bought the mullet dust collection a few years ago, it didn't seem to pick up quite as much as the dust deputy did but I do like its solid one piece design. Back then it also came with a piece of metallic tape that you fastened to the collection bucket where the intake hose fastened, for static discharge purposes.
Matt, the Mullet looks interesting. I work in mill shops for movie and TV productions. Lots of MDF and masonite, as well as conventional wood products.
A couple of years ago, I got the Oneida Dust Deputy to add to my shopvac for routers, etc, used around my fab-table. It uses two, stacked 5 gallon buckets. The bottom one holds your ballast, because it's top-heavy and tippy. It was amazing, the difference. Like you, almost nothing in the vac cannister. All in the bottom of the cyclone.
I went to the CleanStream GoreTex HEPA filter. Just knock it, and it's clean to go again. I think it has a lifetime warranty, if you don't wet it.
Two moving units was a hassle, so I made a shelf on the feet of my vac, added a swivel caster, and problem solved. Dust Deputy side-car. In the back.
Keep up the good work, AmigoBuddyDude!
Hi, I installed the Oneida cyclon on a 30 gal. Drum. Works great!
I looked up the mullet, and it's 500$ in canada. I loled... I made my own cyclon with a 5 gal bucket and 2-3 hoses attachements that i made myself with cookie saw in spare woods that we all get, and voila, it worked perfectly.
Yes this is not mobile with the shopvac, but, and that's a big BUT, I used the lincoln street woodworks tips about dust collection : making a moving arm... Thus the only thing which moves in my area is that arm, above my head that I can attach to anything I'm doing. This is honnestly the perfect thing as I don't have a lot of space and as moving the shopvac is kinda painfull.
It is so easy to build, and so cool to use, I even put an electrical outlet at the end of the arm so I can power anything (mainly my sander) and do my job anywhere I need in the shop depending on what I'm building.
and then the big, big thing : as my shopvac isn't moving, I used vaccumm pipes to build an extract pipe from the shopvac to an outside vent, so any extra fine dust not filtered gets outside. Nothing left in the shop except what was not picked by the shopvac. Let met tell you that everything is really neat. If you have any venting outside that is running close to you, that's what i'd recommand.
"and that's a big BUT"
Honestly, it's not that big of a but. Anyone who's reasonably handy could pretty easily replicate what they've done with the mullet by using some PVC pipe and hose adapters. Even easier if you have a 3D printer. They should be ashamed to charge that much for a plastic bucket and some pipe.
750 plus shipment in France… I'll DIY for a fraction of that
Great video Matt. I just had an electrician wire the room I am going to use as my workshop, for a CNC and track saw.
I’ve been looking at dust collection and you provided some valuable info.
Hey Matt, I've had the Mullet Dust Cyclone for a few years now and love it. I've thought about building something to stack it on top of my wet vac, so it takes up less floor space, but never got around to it yet.
I just bought the Craftsman shop vac and an Oneida Dust Deputy 2.5. I'm hoping that combo will work for awhile until I'm ready to step up to something a little fancier. I'll check out the Rockler attachments combo, that looks pretty handy!
Love my Mullet! Been using it for the past year. Running with a 5 hp cannister vac.
Bought an Oneida Dust Deputy for my garage woodshop. Upgraded it with a 32 gal. trash with the Rockler cyclone dust ports when I bought a Delta 735 thickness planer to collect the larger chips. Bought the 2 hp. Harbor Freight dust collector & added it to my shop built in 2021.
This was a great practical video. Thank you! Interestingly, I discovered the “leaf blower in the garage “ for the final clean out too! Also, using a portable air cleaner was a godsend, especially when I am doing hobby projects with Balsa wood sanding!
I have that craftsman 16 gallon and it is really powerful vacuum no doubt 👌🏽
Hey just a quest on router handling at 1:08
You go from left to right while your fence is at the bottom. (assumed the vid is not mirrored )
To describe it easier:
if you'd lead the router away from you, the fence should be at the left of the router, no?
Otherwise it's pushed away from the fence.
Or do you just push it very firm against the fence to avoid this?
I'm confused...!😊
I looked up the dates for the rocker communication. After you contacted on Saturday, they responded on Monday.
Matt, you should check out the DeWalt Stealthsonic series of dust vacs. I picked up the 9 gallon version and was shocked by how quiet it is. It's a little more expensive, but what a massive difference it makes. Great suction too. Hooked mine up to a cyclone and got a $30 remote control outlet switch. Love it. Now I'm thinking of picking up an additional 16 gallon version, and dedicating the smaller one to my miter saw station.
Love your videos and the range of woodworkers you reach out to (i.e., from beginner to advanced). Could you do one (for those woodworkers working out of their garage) ... on suggested layout for electric receptacle location. I have 2 standard outlets in my garage and am wanting to hire an electrician to add some more ... but what would you suggest a small workshop needs?
For my Shapeoko CNC, I use a Rigid 6.5hp shopvac. The dust is first routed through a Duststopper bucket top dust seperator, then through the vacuum, and the exhaust from the vacuum is routed out of the shop through the wall. I also replaced the vacuum filter with the one designed for water pickup thinking that maybe it was less restrictive on the air flow.
Great video as always! I got a Bauer wet/dry vac and the Bauer cyclone separator and they both work just fine even though the separator was smaller than I was expecting lol. I got the vacuum on sale for $40 and the separator is $40 both are at harbor freight. I work on my front porch so I don't have a shop, yet and hopefully I will be on UA-cam so that's a goal I have. Eventually I would love to have some big brand name equipment, however there is nothing wrong with starting off small. I'm always looking for an inexpensive way to do things so I can build up to the better stuff. I will let you know how that works out. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
On the db readings. It's a logarithmic scale, so a 3db lower reading, for example, would mean the sound pressure is halved. As you said yourself, it sounds a lot quieter, and it really is!
The absolute bar none no BS shop vac/extractor is the Stihl SE122 . Paired with a dust stopper.
Amazing
I use a Dyson vac and a homemade cyclone interceptor (a plastic bucket with a couple of 3D printer nozzles in the lid) ... total cost £30. The Dyson has HEPA filters (hardly anything gets to the vac). Referencing the importance of dust masks ... I ended up in A&E when I emptied my dust collection vessels (bucket and the vac). The inside of my mouth and my tongue swelled up. So, masks are very important while working and cleaning. Love your videos. Derek (UK).
Great video and love your T-shirts! I'm looking to set up a small power workstation in my shop and toying with the idea of getting a bench top dust collector (either by PSI or Oneida) but I also have a one-stage dust collector so a down draft table may also be a good option. Just curious what you might recommend for power carving where I'll be using a Foredom and micro motor carver.
I use one of the filter socks on a HEPA filter in shop vac along with a bag. I have had the bags pop off the connecter. The sock will clog, and some fines will find away though the top of the sock. I don't have a cyclone separator yet. I don't bother with a bag when using a plainer. If the sock is clogged, I hang it outside and let the weather clean it. As far as the filter I have a small post outside my shop door. I will stand up wind and blow the filter out with an air line and long blow gun.
The stealthsonic is awesome. Way quieter than the the Stanley shop vac. And fantastic suction. We had some water in our basement and the stealthsonic almost sucked the carpet dry.
I have mine paired with a Dustopper cyclone.
Love the leaf blower to clean out the garage after cutting wood!
Hercules from Harbor Freight has a new 12 gallon hepa dust extractor for $299. Would be great to see a review for that! Has autostart when turning on a tool, suction level control and auto cleaning of the hepa filter, looks like a steal if it works as advertised!
Leak blower is a definite, yes! I finally got a shop vac but still use a blower.
I use the Dustopper on a Home Depot bucket and a 6.5 hp rigid shop vac with fine dust bag. The dustopper seems to do the job
I do this too. The dusthopper is like $30 and the bucket is $5, way cheaper than the Mullet. I also bought a 3rd party HEPA filter for the vac in addition to the bag and that combination works well.
I love the project book! I'll save mine after I fill it up but I will purchase another. I remember all my loose pages and project files... What a blessing this book is!
Dewalt makes a stealth Sonic. These things are extremely quiet compared to a standered shop vac. I have the craftsman you showed. The dewalt is half as loud. I keep I hooked to my shapeoko 5 pro 4x4, and Haven't had any regrets
Agreed. The Dewalt stealth sonic is the best I've had. Much better than the Craftsman. Amazingly quiet.
@user-kv1ns5te2r I will give the craftsman credit, though. It's a great vac. But if sound is a issue. The dewalt is that way to go. You can stand right beside it and carry on a normal conversation with it running.
Thanks for the videos. Big help for a newbie weekend DIYer. Liked the suggestion for the Rockler hose. The one that comes with the Ridgid is pretty stiff.
Thanks for the shop vac tips! And yes, I open the garage door and blow out the garage with the leaf blower!
Yes, I use a leaf blower after each day when I tear down the setup for parking my truck in the garage. Works great.
I've seen others comment on this, but really think you need to review the Dewalt Stealthsonic line before making further recommendations, my own experience the Stealthsonic being MUCH quieter. Up until I purchased Stealthsonic the prior two vacuums I owned prior, besides being much louder had that high pitch whine that was exhausting. And, now that the vacuum is quieter it has removed one of the major reasons (perhaps the last major one) for my interest in acquiring a dust extractor.
Most shop vacuums today have OEM and third part alternatives allowing highly effective collection bags and HEPA filters to be installed also removing another reason(s) to buy multiple devices. At this point the only advantage(s) I can see to purchasing a dust extractor today are size (though nothing says an individual can't acquire smaller unit(s) to fit under a table surface, for example) and/or variable speed, that I doubt may people use.
Basically, my own view is most of the advantages of dust extractors are gone with shop vacs having the advantage of additional air flow also working in situations where larger chip removal is necessary (small diameter hose on a dust extractor would never allow this making the extractor much less versatile) not even to mention the greatly reduced cost of a shop vac.
Just my two cents.
Thanks for your info, as always.
I’m a big fan of your channel, but I needed a refresher for a specific somthin on a current build and the 1st recommendation was a 3+ year old build video of yours that was really helpful and it made me miss your builds.
I get that you went to tool reviews but I wish you would throw in an occasional build video like old days. It’s why a lot of us fell in love with you.
Ps… loved that mullet graffix
I have the similar Craftsman model as the one in the video. Yeah buddy, it's loud. I use hearing protection the moment I step into the shop. I need to get better at breathing protection.
Nice video, nice product.
Great and very informative video Matt! I'd love to see a comparison of the MULLET vs ONEIDA cyclone on top of a bucket (not their full-size system). I'm at a point now since I bought my CNC that I want to replace my Dustopper with something better - it's either the Mullet or the Oneida Dust Deputy 2.5.
Glad you mentioned the static shock issue. Mine rudely got my attention and rather quickly, too. ⚡️😵💫
I watched your review of the 3M dust extractor and purchased it after to go along with the 3M sander you reviewed as we. I really like them both, and they work great. I have since purchased the Oneida Supercell, which I also got to see when you were at the tool show.
I found the video to be informative.
Thanks 🙏🏼
Great video as always! And yes I use a leaf blower! Lol😂 I always wondered if anyone else used the same system of blowing out garage after work with a blower. Great way to get all the stuff you can’t see or get to. Thanks again.
You really should have looked into the Oneida Dust Deputy instead of the Mullet. I have one and love it, actually on my second! Way easier to empty since the cyclone empties into a 5 gallon bucket. I made a cart that carries the Dust Deputy and shop vac.
Good tips. Love your channel. Thanks for the info.
I think Shop Vac brand's HEPA filters will also fit the Craftsman vac. I have that brand and use the HEPA bags in the shop. In fact, I just googled for HEPA bags now, and I see that there are a lot more brand choices than say, six months ago. Cool. I had the Dust Right collector and it worked very well. However, it couldn't handle the dust from the DW 735 planer due to it's built-in chip blower. The chips blew right through the lid seal onto the floor. I switched to the Oneida Deluxe 10 Gal. which has been flawless. I also have the Ultimate for my Festool extractor. The Dust Right works great if you don't have the DW 735 planer.
I got the HF brand mask and it works well. Only draw back is the filters look like tissue paper compared to what it looks like the RZ brand has. I may be buying an RZ in the near future and will look at the M2 over the M3. Thanks for the quick comparison on them!
Love your passion for tools! You have to try the RYOBI P738 power inflator. I don't know how I lived without it. Just enough wind to blow off any tool or surface in my shop without the overkill of the leaf blower which is defiantly the way to go as long as your wife's car isn't parked in front of the garage lol.
I got my first Festool tool on order and it is the ct 36 I'm glad yor recommend it! I can't wait to use it! How often do you have to change the bag on the dust extractor?
You'll love it! DId you get the bluetooth module as well? It's a handy accessory.
@@731Woodworks Yes I did because I have milwaukee cordless tools.
I see you Omega fan! Do you ever use the chronograph when working?
So comparing the Dust right to the mullet, other than the more compact unit, is there a difference in quality of the collection? Is one better than the other?
You are not wrong, those static shocks are no joke. If you add extra hose, adding a ground wire is a must or those shocks hit hard enough to actually leave a mark. Ask me how I know...
An idea to pass along - I built a cart to keep that shop vac (which is great), Oneida 5 gallon dust deputy, 20' of hose, plus the tools, extension tubes, bags, filters, a 20' 1.5" hose with it's adapters and tools (great for car wash day, sanders, etc.) all together. It's not pretty as it was built quick out of shop scraps as a proof of concept, but it works really well for me.
Everything moves as one unit, you have plenty of cord and hose, and 4 wheel swivel casters (with brake. Always with brake, trust me) to put and keep it out of your way while you're working, and roll it back when you're done.
When I worked at Drexel Heritage, sometimes I would have to work in the ruff end department on a rip saw. The shock was so bad and loud that you could hear it over all of the machines.
You could see it a couple inches above the table. The winter time was the worst with the dry cold air.
Are there any other solutions other than letting a ground wire hang off the hose to the floor?
@@MansterBear You can run it through the inside, similar to the ground wire on a leaf blower
The good old Craftsman 16 gallon wet/dry vac has been a staple of small shops for decades. I am on my second one in roughly 30 years and I converted it to use HEPA filters. However, when it died I chose the DEWALT 9 Gallon STEALTHSONIC Ultra Quiet Poly Wet/Dry Vacuum, DXV09P-QTA to replace it as it is significantly quieter than the Craftsman and has better suction. I coupled that with the PRO, Low-Profile Dust Separator for Shop Wet/Dry Vacuums for a 5 gallon bucket and it works great with my different sanders, track saw, routers, and hand power tools. I wish they had made quiet vacuums like this years ago. I have since built in a customized Harbor Freight dust separator with a Oneida Air Systems Super Dust Deputy that dumps directly into a 30 gallon wheeled garbage can for my stationary power tools and have used it to collect dust from over 100K board feet of lumber I've processed. When I am processing a lot of wood, the dust collector dumps directly into my 16K dump trailer which holds over 6 cubic yards of shavings, chips, and sawdust. Over that period of time I've gone from a small garage based shop to a 2400 square foot shop. Dust collection has been a long incremental journey but the shop vac dust collection still is a successful choice for small shops.
for dust I use a shop vac and a cone shaped cyclone separater. Got it from china for about 16.00. that is attached to the top of a 5 gal bucket and it all works well. got the adapter set from Rockler and I can hook up to any of my tools. To save steps I have the table saw and dust rig on a remote fob that I carry with me so powering on and off is so simple. I love my dust rig. BTW I am not just satisfied, I am shocked at how well that cyclone separates the dust from the air.
Great tips Matt Thanks for sharing. Hope you and Amy had a great time at tools and tale gates.
I'm rolling a shop vac right now but it's no fun constantly changing connections. Do you have any experience with the "cheap" Vevor systems?
Wondering if the shop vac/ mullet works with the 735 planer? My understanding is that the planer has its own blower that is more powerful than the suction on the shop vac. Just got the 735 so I’m looking for the best setup.
Been subscribed since you had like 90k subscribers, I absolutely love the helpful content you put out, it's like project Farm material for woodworkers...would love to see you guys join forces some time!
The new Dewalt Stealthsonic Vacs are super quiet. I use a 25 foot pool hose and homemade fittings so I can reach just about anywhere in my shop without having to move tha vacuum and Dust Deputy around so much.
I've heard greath things about the DeWALT's
@@731Woodworks I love mine. It's quieter than my wife's upright vac in the house.
I made a timber collection box that takes a big garbage bin bag, I retro fitted a Dust stopper cyclone (sealed with Sika 11FC), been using it for 4 years, still on the same bag in the shopvac as basically nothing gets through to the bag, only thing, I wish the hose that connects to the tablesaw was another 12" longer
Second pool filter tip. Pool filter socks. Stretchy filter covers to stop fines clogging your filter. I use 2, one one the internal filter and a 2nd on the exhaust filter (no HEPA).
Found a HEPA filter for that Craftsman vacuum (I have the exact same one) and a filter cover, so the combination of that with the fine particle bag, and I use an Oneida Dust Deputy, means that the output muffler that I put on the vacuum (which doesn’t really make it much quieter…), Is an easy way for me to check how much stuff it’s pushing out and there’s no sign of anything. After a couple of months of use with lots of sanding, table saw, jointer, miter saw and planer work, all connected one at a time to the vac, my filter is also still brand new. In my personal Craftsman vac vs Festool vac comparison, the Craftsman with the HEPA won out, as it flows much more and is much less expensive. Parts and filters are cheap too. In my small shop, I take dust collection as seriously as I can, so in addition to this, I use a Corsi Rosenthal filter I made from a box fan and 4 x 3M MERV13 furnace filters and that cleans all the air in the shop in just a few minutes. Once in a while, I use the vacuum (through the Dust Deputy), to vacuum off the furnace filters, even if I can’t see any dust on them. It’s a great setup and not too pricey. Even when we think we’ve got all the dust in the shop picked up by the vac and we vacuum off all our machines, all we have to do is when we enter the shop the following day, take a look at the top of all the machines, and there will be a tiny layer of dust on top. If you were to leave the filter running for a couple of hours maybe when you leave the shop, the next morning, you will notice less dust on top of anything in the shop, because it continually filters the air and circulates it and eventually all the air in the room will make it through that filter Several times. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks Matt! Just ordered a Woodworker’s Chronicle book. Need to keep better track of projects and I like what you’ve put in it!
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Thanks for all the info Matt!
Really find your vids helpful. BTW, as you really dont need it feel free to send me that Mullet Dust extractor.
I've been thinking about running my shop vac into my dust collection system. This way, I do not need filters. I believe the shop vac would do the work, and the dust collector would do the work and the dust collector would filter the air. I even think if the shop vac does fill, it will almost be like an auto emptying feature.
I would only use this on the miter saw and sanders etc.
Another great informative video. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve used 3 shop vacs for years. One for my miter saw station, one that connected to a dust deputy for general cleanup, my bandsaw and bench sanders, and the last is a small vac I use on my hand sanders. I also have a small dust collection unit I use on my table saw, jointer and planer. I’d use the dust collection unit on most everything but I’m lazy and never piped it to the machines and really don’t have the room. I used to use my compressor and air hose to blow debris, but again, I’m lazy so just use a leaf blower for everything and it works amazingly well. I used to use air brad nailers, but end up pulling out my battery nailer because…I’m lazy! Unfortunately, I’ve bought several hose kits to find the right connections to fit my tools, including the rocker set, but I still have machines that I can’t find fittings for and I don’t own a 3D printer to make them.
I just need the fittings to attach the tools to the hose. Seeing as how I’m ordering it anyway being able to pick and choose what pieces I need would be best. I have both the dewalt and Milwaukee cordless routers along with 2 table saws, miter saw rand a corded routers in a table. Why nobody offers this as an option blows my mind. I use a shop vac and the dust deputy which are in a “closet” behind my wood shop which help keep the noise down.
I have the same craftsman vac in my small shop, works great in my small shop. I'd recommend it to anyone.
would love to see your thoughts on the dewalt stealthsonic shop vacs, i have one and i think its great how much quieter it seems to be than my vacmaster
I have the Mullet, it works great in my shop
I have a RIgid shop vac. Th e inlet is not coming out of it like the craftsman. Will i be able to connect the Mullet?
I have that same shop vac, i have the oneida cyclone (w/e that was most popular for years before) and I built a roll thing that the cyclone sits on top, has holders for all the shopvac tools/parts, i put it corner of garage/shop. I then made an arm (boom arm?) out of plywood, cut many holes in to reduce weight and make tie off points, ran the hose from cyclone up along arm, than have the adapter type hose you linked (not same brand but same idea) i have a 12' attached and a 30' when I want to work outside. The arm also has power 3 plugs, the power for shopvac runs up to that, so 2 plugs for tools I'm working with. The arm follows around entire shop/garage and everything get's sucked up.
I didn't know about the bag, going to do that. Can I clean my filter or do I have to buy new one? It is kind of bad now from all the fine dust.
Great info on dust collection.
Great information. THANKS!
For air cleaners nothing beats the powermatic afc1250, it’s better than the big ones like your Laguna. I’m going to buy one at some point. I have a similar unit to you… it’s a little larger it same thing
The mullet dust collector looks great except the price for a all plastic build ! The cheapest I could find it was $260, were as my Dewalt stainless steel separator is over a $100 cheaper.
Decibels are on a logarithmic scale. For example, if something is measured at 10 dB, to get to 20dB would make it 10 times in intensity. 30dB would be 1,000 times the intensity than 10dB and so on. So, moving up and down a few decibels is actually a big change overall.
YES! This is the video I've wanted!
@6:50 Regarding sanding, orbital sanders can gouge the workpiece if there is a lot of dust buildup on the surface; adding dust collection eliminates the issue. Yes, that's what the finer grits are for, but why make extra work for yourself?
I have the Bauer version of the mullet it works great!
Hmmm... cannot find it on the web site. Did you mean the BAUER Cyclone Dust Separator Kit for 5 Gallon Buckets, which is like a Dust Deputy, or a Dust Right Separator?
@@agimasoschandir the 5 gallon bucket one
The problem is have with the Rockler hose you showed is its weight. Often I set my sander down on the workbench and the weight of the hose drags it onto the floor with a crash.
What’s the minimum power vacuum for a planer?
Also a filter cover will help and doesn't slow down the suction.
Keep in mind when doing the sound comparison that sound level is done in sound pressure and it’s on a log scale with a weighting in this case weighting A. So Keeping that in mind, the sound pressure is doubling every 3 to 5 dBA. So the difference between 77dBA to 83dBA is actually twice as loud. Another thing to keep in mind is when your buying hearing protection noise reduction ratings are done in weighting-C so to avoid having to calculate the difference subtract seven from whatever the reading is and that’s roughly the protection you’re getting. An NRR of 27 is lowering the noise about 20dBA.
Yes on the leaf blower!
Yes on the leaf blower! It’s a must have for garage shops! But you have to remember to wear a mask or you’ll be coughing up all that dust. 😷
Blowers are banned in some regions because they cause secondary drift, which worsens air quality.
@@pzwolski I can only think of one state in the US that would be that stupid. What regions are you speaking of?
@@Damon_Barber Europe.
I believe that 90 degree bend is called a sweep or street or both depending areas you grew up in. Mostly used in drainage as it’s gravity fed really. Easiest path to remove waste aka dust.
Not sure if anyone has any advice, but I attached my small shop vac to a cyclone collector for my shop. But when I attach this rig to my sander, the suction is so much it implodes my 5 gallon bucket. Any advice?
I had the Mullet when it was first released. It was difficult to empty. The lid was poorly fit, and left fine dust everywhere. The static build up was constantly shocking me with the hose attached to it. And it was really a hassle to have it attached to the shop vac and dragging it all around the shop. I finally got rid of it. Worst purchase I had made for my shop.
So on the difference in sound, keep in mind that decibels are done in a logarithmic scale with power doubling every 3 to 5 dB. Measuring the sound gets weird your measuring the sound pressure level, but it’s about twice as loud.