+CidGuerreiro1234 Actually, it's not so bad. I simply kept rushing him till he tried to step on me. Get far behind him... directly, and he'll bring that ass down on ya. Of course, I died so fucking much so I could learn his moves. But it was so satisfying to two hand his on sword on him. I didn't know what the effect was, so I squealed loud as fuck when I beat him that way.
Yep, I kept on dying till I could run past or dodge each of his attacks. They're really telegraphed. You can dodge through the sweeping fire, but I found it easier to get outta range. It looks so cool running through the fringe of the flame and not get hurt. After I got his tail, I tore them ankles up with my gold tracer. I grinded that thing to +5 and it shits on my +5 nito sword
Rayshaun Preston Yeah, it became my main weapon as well, especially since I was building mostly for Faith and Endurance. Kalameet's sword is like a super Drake Sword, lol.
CidGuerreiro1234 Man, helkite is on some bullshit. I beat kalameet and was like, "Oh, I know who imma fuck up now." That shit aint fair. I play light with the black shield too, but I could only tank like one block, but then poise breaks when he breaths.
If you try to take on the perspective of a dragon like Kalameet, supposed last of the ancient dragons, how lonely must that thing feel? If he had emotions or anything like that, I imagine that despite his power he was more alone than any being in the whole Dark Souls world at the time. His family is gone. He's the last of his kind. That's an incredible burden and I can see how it could lead Kalameet towards an extremely hopeless mindset. Somebody will kill him or he lives the rest of his days without any real purpose. To me this would lead to a sense of vulnerability and that can be illustrated by the very nature of the ring he drops.
@@septianrico4141 Maybe because he doesn't know where the fuck seath is? Besides, Ornstein and gwyndolin are in anor londor, And that "bats" cause eletric damage, It would be suicide
Well do note it is also Oolicile in present day, perhaps Kalameet was looking for a nesting ground? Using what we know of the dragon's themselves, their homes were the great trees. Ash Lake seems the remains of the burned down forest (hence why it is likely that the Dragon covenant is there and the "newly" hatched great stone dragon makes sense), and I do wonder if the dragon's didn't seek a new home similar to their old when driven off and mostly killed out by Gwyn and his knights. A forest like Oolicile might have worked.
first you must get the calamity ring, then you must give 99 dragon scales to the everlasting dragon, then you must acquire EVERY dragon weapon in the game (except the dagger) and raise them all to +5. then you must talk to everlasting once more, he will send you to the painted world to talk to the zombie dragon, the zombie dragon will tell you of a half breed dragon who waits just ahead, and tells you that if you want to meet it, you must defeat the undead dragon. if all is done right a new set of dialogue will open with priscilla, i won't go into detail of what she says, but it ends with her letting you pet her fluffy tail.
I am shit at PvP. I get backstabbed for days. I've been playing pvp in the forest and it's full of gankers and whatnot. Also can you really get dragon scales fro pvp. I think you can only get them on single player.
While I normally don't have any theories of my own when it comes to Dark Souls I did notice something interesting in the Depths that I haven't heard other people mention. Right above the Gaping Dragon's Boss arena is one of Seath's overseerers. Perhaps the Gaping Dragon was also born along with the stone dragon but Seath found him and started to experiment on him in order to determine the secrets to his immortality. That might be an explanation for why he drops no scales either because Seath essentially picked him clean, mutating him in the process (wouldn't put it past him). And this is pushing it but it might be possible that what seath learned from the Gaping Dragon he put to use in creating the Serpent warriors.That's a stretch but it's just a theory ....... A GAME THEORY!!!!!! Sorry. Had to happen.
I never fought Kalameet, not because I couldn't take him but because I didn't want to. One reason being I am a dragon fan, and not in the "they're cool, i want to kill them" way that many seem to be a "fan" of them. The other reason is, I never saw what he's supposed to be "guilty" of to justify killing him. Here's my thoughts on the whole thing. The only real negative thing you hear about him is "Even Lordran dared not to invoke his rage" (more or less). So he's quite angry and brutal. But here's the thing. From the info you get he's the LAST of the ancient dragons, which means he lived though the dragon wars that began the age of fire, he lived through all those years of seeing his kind being slaughtered, betrayed by Seath and hunted to extinction. And more, notice how despite being an ancient dragon which had "stone scales of immortality" that required powerful magic to even penetrate you can kill him with ordinary weapons. Then look at his burned and somewhat scarred looking body. To me it looks like he didn't survive the war unharmed, he had his scales stripped off of him, entirely as he's doesn't drops scales when he's killed. So seen his world forcefully transformed, his kin murdered over the cause of between decades and centuries, having to flee constantly AND probably being painfully stripped of his protective skin... yea, he has a reason to be angry at every living thing that came out of that age. And whats more, when you find him what does he do... he lands on a bridge, give you one look... and then flies away into a valley, the dead bodies down there having stuff on them that indicates they wanted to kill him. He doesn't attack you till you come after him... all he wanted was to be left alone... YOU are the one that invaded and angered him. If you think I'm over analyzing this, analzying the characters is a fairly large part of it. And really, most of what I hear when analyzing dragons is "well, we KNOW dragons are evil, so..."
Human (undead?) nature. Dragons are large, terrible creatures with immense power in the world of Dark Souls. Gwyn and his ilk found immense power of their own in the Lord Souls. We don't know who struck the first blow, but the intro indicates that it was Gwyn. "They challenged the dragons." But as to their reasons? Well, we don't know. Perhaps it was pride or perhaps the dragons were being rather mean - who can say!
Jordan Beck you are missing the whole point of an RPG game. also, games have stories, is not like you can go and kill everything because you feel like it
Yeah hes like midir! Both Dragons did nothing wrong only their jop! They only were killed because they could or will at somepoint be a problem. They arent yet! They only could.
@Dalton Davis for me, it was very simple. The human had to fight the dragons to just find their place.Kalameet fought too and the dragons loosed. He don't attack you the first time bc he just don't care. He is not a danger bc he know if he start destroy too much things the human will fight back. Attacking him now have no justifications in reality,other than cough giving you the opportunity ,wanting him to die for the war. And i don't really think he was so much weakened from the war:the "ordinary weapon" you have just killed all the lords that fought the dragons.
I said it once, and I didn't like how I said it, so I said it again and then I think I forgot to edit it out... at least, I think that's what happened. That'll teach me to try and edit videos at like 4am!
cthulhu6661313 do both kaathe and frampt talk though? maybe it's kaathe and nine other serpents. there's no way to tell if frampt is there unless there's some subtitle or something that specifically says it's him.
Personally, I believe the Stone Dragon and perhaps ash lake itself, was somehow hidden by the Furtive Pygmy/Mannus deep below the world, whom felt guilty over the dragoon slaughter and wanted to protect a remnant. This would explain why the dragon is willing to deal and share scales with humans, aside from trying to repopulate dragons but also because it has a soft spot for it's savior's descendants.
Maybe everlasting means more than ageless or immortal. Everlasting dragons could be a concept that a true ever lasting Dragon must always be in existence and that while the cycle of fire and dark continues, the dragons will always be there.
+addicted2SODA1 That's a good point. Perhaps we're looking at the word "everlasting" in a wrong light. *switches light bulbs* There we go. Now lets examine. Everlasting could mean it's literal meaning of: Never ending, immortal, etc. But what if, bare with me here, guys, what if it were something else. What if it simply meant "to never face a true death." There are no undead dragons in Dark Souls 2 and we haven't seen any in 3 thus far. What if those "undead" dragons were more akin to "nearly reincarnated?" What if we kill them, freeing their souls to find new forms. What if the dragon never truly dies but, like the fire, is rekindled, recycled, and reborn. There are, from my understanding, far more dragons in Dark Souls 2 than in 1 and the writers for 1 still had their hands in the candy jar for 2 so I'm sure they wouldn't have let anything lore breaking slip through. What if the dragons simply reincarnate now that their scales are gone? Surely most may not have learned to do this but some could have. This could make it so that the Stone Dragon of Ash Lake is a reincarnated dragon, Sieth was never considered to be a "true" dragon, and it would be possible, with this, for Kalameet to be the "Last Ever-lasting dragon." What if that just meant he was the only one who hasn't been reborn yet? The only one who's gone undefeated even since before the dawn of gods. Just a theory though.
I think there should be a third ending in this game. This comes if you kill Gwyn in dragonform and you are in the dragon covenant +3. This would be the ending for the dragons!! (My favorite ending!^^)
Based on that tree-like boss on the Dark Souls 3 teaser I assume that the archtrees gives birth to the Dragons, thats why the witches burn them down but not all of them. The Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake is surrounding by those giant trees that look and could be archtrees, so he might have been born there and not because of Kalameet.
I personally believe that undead dragons are dragons with one remaining scale so while the rest if their body decays there's one part keeping the body going
Oddly enough, the everlasting dragon of Ash lake is seen in the opening cutscene, something you didn’t mention. It shares the exact same horn formation and wing shape, so it can be assumed that is the same creature. I don’t know what this poses for the lore but hey it’s just something I thought
The hydras are the creation of seath. As you may notice they're guarded by seath's creations and the hydras are scaleless. They also have similar skin colours to seath. Seath probably created the hydras to 1. Capture girls 2. Do his bidding or whatever 3. The hydras being scaleless make him not the only scaleless dragon.
I feel that Frampt and Kaathe and all of the other serpents are like a higher power. They don't really perceive the world like everyone else; evil and good are meaningless concept to them. And the reason they oppose each other is just to drive the world, or something. Because, well, procession often comes from disparity. They aren't truly enemies.
I hope you know that I hang out with you listening to lore more than I hang out with my family. Thanks for keeping me company with this stuff man, it makes my workdays and housework go by really fast. youre always very informed and very diligent with investigation. Thanks Dude!
The idea of serpents being "imperfect dragons" is one that has roots in Japanese legend and lore. From software, though is utilizes a lot of Western styled fantasy themes, also incorporates ideas from Japanese lore and fantasy in places. As soon as I saw the bit about the serpents being imperfect dragons I recognized the idea as one I've seen before. It is sort of...accepted, I suppose sort of like the lore of Unicorns purifying water and being drawn to maidens is accepted in Western legends, and commonly referenced and built upon. From what I understand, dragons in eastern lore are more often viewed as powerful beings that could be dangerous, but deserved reverence and respect, while serpents were a lower kind of creature that, were it to somehow ascend, could become a dragon and take on its higher power. This is supported by the fact that many Eastern depictions of dragons are very serpent-like, especially traditionally, and the only thing that really sets them apart from snakes are their short limbs, horns, and often their flowing manes, as their bodies are coiled and serpent-like. That said, there is a lot more complexity to this statement in Dark Souls than a simple Japanese myth, and it has been built upon with great originality.
Maybe Kalameet somehow was able to retain his mind after being tainted by the abyss. After seeing what the abyss can do, I would be scared as well of a dragon that can control that thing
my thoughts were that kalameet was thought to be the last of the dragons because the gaping dragon and the everlasting dragon both remained hidden in ash lake. there are still many arch trees down there, so my thoughts are that the flames used to burn the trees were put out, and the land was forgotten. after centuries passed, the dragon we now know as the gaping dragon crawled his way through the great hollow and escaped to the depths in search of food and shelter away from others of its kind. after years spent in the depths, the sewage and rot tore away and mutated at its flesh, deforming it and melting away at the flesh that once covered its ribs (now its second mouth)
***** anything is possible in this game when you really think about it. perhaps there was more than one dragon that traveled to the depths, but some traveled higher to the surface after the mutation, only to be killed by the gods. or perhaps they were the same breed when it began, but only the one mutated. keeping his head up, it would not have become infected with the rot. everyone has there own theories, but none can be proven true or untrue. that's the fun of this game ^^
It seems like both Kaathe and Frampt are both working towards their own selfish ends. The covetous serpent rings depict serpents as selfish beings "devouring prey even larger than itself," and I think that actually might be a clue to the driving force of the ancient serpents. It seems like both Kaathe and Frampt are pursuing immense sources of power, i.e. the First Flame and the spread of the Abyss, but they do not agree on which source is strongest. Frampt displays a direct connection to the First Flame through his ability to turn inanimate objects into souls like a fire turns wood into flames, so it makes sense that he would want the Chosen Undead to strengthen the Fire. Kaathe on the other hand feeds directly on humanity and grants us power and equipment based on how much of it we give him, so it's in his best interest to extinguish the First Flame to spread Dark. So both serpents seem to be manipulating events to gain more power, though I have no idea why they could be pursuing that much power.
+ShamusOFox Does one need a reason to desire power? While I personally don't understand it there are people who actually exist who strive for power; seemingly for no other reason then they want power. People like that are scary.
I was along the train of thought that havel was a member of the dragon covernent. think about it, he is the only npc that has a dragon weapon, he is called havel the rock (stone dragons) his armor is made from dragon bones and the great magic barrier is located in ash lake.
You can hear waves crashing against the shore in Darkroot, down where all the black and red lizards jump up onto the land. I always thought it was odd as there is no visible sea or water where the sound effect occurs only a giant crevice. I always thought it as an oversight by the devs. But since you mention the hydra being in Darkroot (the other being down in ash lake where this sound effect also occurs if I remember right) I'm now guessing it's to show an unseen connection between the two. It would explain why there are mushroom people in both areas as well.
I think Kalameet is somehow close to Manus and abyss because he uses not ordinary flame breath but black flame breath, also his eye looking like thing at the center of his head is so alike Manus got. And he is flying around area cursed by abyss. He may be corrupted dragon by abyss.
Dude don't even worry about lengthy videos I actually prefer lengthy uploads with tangents that go on and on makes it much more entertaining than a short and direct video which makes you urge for more content
I believe in Dungeon and Dragons Lore that ancient red dragons were by far the most powerful of all the dragons. At least looking at their stats they are. Of course when someone writes lore they can have it anyway they like,
Maybe in the base game. Read the Draconomicon, there are some breeds in there that make Red Dragons look like kobolds. (like Force dragons and Prismatic dragons)
Yes, the gaping dragon was definitely mutated by the blight. That white witch tried to save her followers and take it into herself, and look what it did to her an immortal. Nicely done.
Just a possibility as to why the clams drop purging stones: purging stones don't actually cure curses, they just redirect them into themselves as a proxy, and the stone has a human skull incased in it. So you may just be finding a skull that would work as a purging stone.
Perhaps the hydras rose from the remains of other dead dragons? The hydra in Darkroot is in the future version of Kalameet's boss arena, and the hydra in Ash Lake perhaps rose from the corpse of the mother dragon who laid the egg that spawned the everlasting dragon, who perhaps died in childbirth? Honestly, I'm kinda opposed to my own theory here, but it makes sense...to an extent. Gods, why do Dark Souls Dragons have to be so complicated? There's Ancient Dragons, like the one in Dragon Shrine, Duke's Dear Freja's Boss room, and the Dragon Memory, then there's Super Ancient Dragons, like the one whose skeleton we find in Aldia's Keep (Who, might I add, is the only dragon large enough to harbor a tooth the size of the Dragon Tooth Weapon), then there's Seath; then there's regular dragons, who may or may not be actual Ancient Dragons, such as Kalameet and Sinh, maybe even Gaping Dragon, then the not actual dragons but not drakes either Guardian Dragon & friends...plus the corrupted ancient dragons that are the Primordial Serpents, then there's Drakes...then there's the not-ancient but immortal anyway Stone Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake...hell, my head is starting to hurt.
***** That would break the hydras-rise-from-dead-dragons-theory. If the mother died in the war why would the hydra be in Ash Lake? That also makes me think, what if the hydras keep part of the memory or personality of the dragon they rose from? It'd explain why the hydra in Ash Lake so vigorously guards the Stone Dragon: it's its child. Just a thought. Personally these theories are too unsupported for my liking, but I like putting them out there for others.
I think that in-game lore can be prone to gossip and hearsay, as this would make the lore even more subject to interpretation. Dark Souls lore felt like it was meant to be discussed and interpreted, so having conflicting stories and vague references makes a bit of sense.
Here's my thoughts on the serpents: There is a lot of implication in their name, Primordial Serpent. If we break it down, primordial means before life or before some kind of creation. That would imply their existence before some kind of creation, which could be the creation of the first flame or, even more likely, before the everlasting dragons appeared. Serpent is a little tough, but by the way Frampt and Kaathe interact with mortals and gods, it seems serpent is coming from the Christian representation of sin as serpents. This would imply their goal is to manipulate for change and change alone. Frampt and Kaathe obviously represent the differences and similarities of light and dark, how they are two different orderings of the same motivation for change. I don't think Frampt and Kaathe have any desires outside of causing change. We know they are both part of the same group of serpents that will bow down to the play regardless of the ending, so to me Frampt and Kaathe seem like professional rivals. I think all serpentine motivation is change, because if we take serpent to be a reference to the biblical serpent in the garden of eden that would imply they manipulate to bring about change. They have no higher motivation, no higher calling - they are old gods of a time before fire and dragons, and their only cause is to manipulate and form the world to their order of light or dark.
I enjoy the Dark Souls dragons, so long as I'm not fighting them. I kinda wish the game had given us different mechanics to use against them for the most part - I can't help but compare with Dragon's Dogma, where the dragon fights were so much... better.
Late comment but if kalameet is the last of the ancient dragons and ancient = everlasting(bearers of dragon scales meaning they dont die) why he dies by our hand while the stone dragon cant die?
+Stefan Kratzberg but our "mighty bolts" that we can make from gwyns souls (sunlight spear) can't hurt him . Is he truly the only absolutely immortal and everlasting ? And why can we chop off his tail then if the scales are so tough ?
and how does one last..I have to call him a coward. is he a coward for just been able to survive. think a bit. when you start the game, there is that story about the fire etc. but than the story tells about war against the dragons. how spears shatter their scales and how Nito released miasma upon them and Seth betray them and all that. so dragons were defeated. but if Kalameet still exist. it means he must have survived from the war..which is impossible when thinking about the end of other dragons. so Im making an argument that Kalameet was a coward who run away and went hiding during the time of war and when dust had come down he rise up as a survivor. as now having all the glory what comes to dragons only to him self and what people think about him. and yeah I do think serpants are just heads of a hydra which has a pretty damn big body (because the heads are so damn big). and because they all has their own brain they think separate things. but still share the common thing to order you around and make u believe what they want. and guess there is other undeads so rest of the heads might be speaking to them. and why does hydra drop dragon scales..well, hydra in greek stories isnt a dragon what so ever. its just a monster, more related to snakes and many cultures have their own hydras, but they have never really have same abilities than dragons which would relate them to dragons. so if hydras of this game are anything like those. maybe hydras feed on dragon corpses and swallow dragon scales. and why there is one in dark root..I guess it just went there, its good place as any. but why there is those crystal golems surrounding it. werent those Seths creations..why send them there if he is looking for immortality. its nothing there in the forest that would help him. tho I dont think dragons would be able to kill humans. chosen undead is only mere human after all. and he is able to kill dragons. even that lords had great war towards dragons. pigmy choose better than they did. guess he foresaw what humans were able to do and know better than to use the soul to him self. he would been just one like rest of the lords. instead he choose to be selfless. even that he leave humanity to decide its own fate and know it could make mistakes. like spreading darkness all over the land. guess he just had to believe that humans would choose the right path. but can be just see the writer jumping on his office 'ASK ME WHAT IT MEANS, ASK ME WHAT IT MEANS!! LOLOLOLOL!!!'
It is possible Kalameet was a coward! But I think the more likely case for his survival is just how much of a badass he supposedly was. Gough makes a point to emphasize that not even mighty Anor Londo dared provoke him... of course, Gough then does cripple Kalameet rather easily. All the same, I think the point is that Kalameet was just incredibly powerful and they didn't want to risk losing so many good men against him... or perhaps they thought he'd come and burn up Anor Londo.
Silver Mont yeah dragons arent all just mindless beast. even that most powerful warriors and knights would been send to kill Kalameet. he would probably fly to londo and attack it killing everyone. I dont think he is so badass. he sure is powerful, he is dragon after all. but I dont think he would survive in actual war. he has good attacks and other things, but other dragons have fall in war and there was thousands of them, you must win the war and I dont think they would have let any dragon just walk away as 'meh we have killed so many so it doesnt matter at this point' no, they wanted to slaughter them all. so Kalamee might be strong against one or small group. but warrior king, knights, albino dragon, witches and nito....yeah Im still gonna make that argument that he escape and went hiding. he was too weak to fight in war, even that he might not have feared death. but he might have feared end of his existence.
Well if you talk to Gough he actually gives you the attrition rates for the war between the gods and the dragons. He says that for every dragon they killed they lost sixty (three score) of their own. It's possible that Kalameet was simultaneously the most powerful dragon and the most cowardly, but we can't really know that because other than Seath (who is unique) we're never really given any insight into how dragons think, or if they think at all. Do they fear death? Did they realize they were going to lose the war and be wiped out by the gods? Did they despair? Did they hate Seath for betraying them?
Ryan Jones random additional fuel for the fire, consider how intelligent seathe is. he can't be unique in that regard so kalameet must be at least sentient
Actually, a thought on those man-eater shells dropping purging stones, based on the item description. The item description states that purging stones were once people, as a curse can only be given to another to carry as a surrogate. Perhaps, the purging stones they drop were once people that they had eaten somewhere down the line?
My guess with the clams, The ones in ash lake dont belong there (dont have a thought on this) they orginally resided in the crystal caves, twinkleing titanite grows off their shells (gotta come from somewhere), and when they eat humans they carry the skulls much like a pearl untill it turns to a stone, you take the purgeing stone and use its leftover humanity to rid yourself of curse and pass it onto the soul inside.
(this is a speculation from both lore of ds and ds2) I think that the path of dark is definitely connected to the dragons, I believe so because aldia, who let's you take the option not to link the fire wants to rebuild dragons as he has one complete and another dragon in his Manor that is almost complete. also I personally believe that the everlasting dragon is having humans gather scales so just like aldia was doing he could rebuild more dragons
Reading below, Someone mentioned it sort-of being a side quest to kill Kalameet and maybe in Dark Souls 2, they just carry on as though that wasn't the "Vanilla" ending. I noticed in the trailer watch?v=k-dcwB3qTMA at 1:36, the dragon there has a 3rd eye (not sure if he has 2 eyes on the side) in the middle, like kalameet! Sorry if this has been mentioned before
The primordial serpents couldn't actually give a shit what happens. They were there from the beginning. If I was around that long I would get together with my buds and just fuck with people's heads for a bit of fun.
One serpent tries to manipulate someone to link the fire. One serpent tries to manipulate someone to bring the Dark. I can imagin that one serpent is trying to manipulate someone to create another first fire.
I think the reason the man eater clams drop twinkling titanite is because the inner layer of the clams mouths seem to be made of it, I mean they do look quite similar. If you read the twinkling titanites description it says that it emits a powerful energy, this makes me believe that the corpses eaten my the man eater clams are then compresed and purified into purging stones, much like how actual clams make pearls.
When I played dark souls for the first time, the everlasting dragon was the creature which impressed me the most. I mean, his name, the soundtrack, the vibe at the ash lake, his overall mystery and then how he opened his wings and just stood there in front of me... For me it was the most impressing moment in dark souls, I'd love to know more about him. Personally I think, the gods were wrong about Kalameet being the last ancient dragon, since they just didn't detect/recognize another, much more silent, inconspicious one right beneath their feet hidden at the ash lake.
The reason kalameet is considered the last ancient dragon, is that , one, seath is the duke and shouldn't even be classified as a dragon due to his vital role in the war. And two, the everlasting dragon and the ash lake as a whole, aren't known by anyone at the time.
The Hydra in the Darkroot Basin is a child who was like Seethe an abomination or a for lack of a better term a mutation like the everlasting dragon it is an egg that hatched from Kalameet no less because it is proved that the Darkroot Forest/Basin is where Oolicile once was and if you think about it you fight Kalameet in a large area which has waterfalls and so it most likely was an area where Kalameet was or rested so it is never told how long the eggs layed before hatching so my take on it is as the lake area filled by the water the dragon inside the egg started to mutate so when it hatched it could still live that is my take.
I don't believe so, but I haven't compared them side by side. I think it was mostly an homage to it. Like over the years maybe some legends were passed down about giant archers in towers or something, even if the specifics were lost
I like to believe that the everlasting dragon is an ancient dragon that no one knows survived and has been in hiding in Ash lake. He is called a stone dragon but he has fur this allows us to believe his scales were peeled off by gwyn's lightning.As for why he looks different from the one in the cutscene, we'll we already know their are alote of variety in looks for these dragons and no one said they all had to look like the one in the cutscene.
Awesome video. Few people in the community talk about Kalameet and Gaping Dragon. One thing that comes to mind: the dragons have a lot of descendants. How they all came to be? They couldn't be all part of a giant pile of eggs in Ash Lake. What if they are still reproducing? That would explain the amount of dragons in Dark Souls II.
Speculation: knowing that Seathe wanted the scales of everlasting dragons and the ability of immortality, he would need to experiment and research into the dragons themselves. The dragons being wiped out, he would need descendants of the dragons to study or experiment on. But, what if he had a different, more cruelly ingenuitive plan? If the dragon we meet at ash lake is a "descendant," why is he having you collect scales on his behalf? Here's where I'm getting at, what if Seathe raised the everlasting dragon? Consider the fact that the hydra is present at ash lake, an assumed creation of Seathe's. More so, the dragon wouldn't need scales since he has his own. Another point to be made would be the hydra in dark root guarding the entrance to Oolicle: where the LAST ancient dragon (Kalameet) resides. Seathe may have been trying to acquire the scales indicated by their presence and awkward strange standpoints in the game.
I also thought about the snakes beeing hydras. They have a similar autonomy and the snakes all look the same. If that should be true, it also explains why Kaathe and Frampt are not fighting each other: They would have to damage themselfes. It also tells us, that they probably know the location of the other snakes. Frampt was blocking the Firelink shrine, so Kaathe couldn't influence the chosen undead before him. And it also explains, why Kaathe doesn't appear when you first talk to Frampt. About the everlasting dragon: He is an error in the plot that I couldn't solve. Similar to the Ashe Lake skull. You don't get to know much about the area at all. It seems to be a reference to the norse mythology.
I believe that dragons are technically living in the bare sense that they are autonomous vessels for souls, but as a result are vulnerable to influence which is why there are so many variations even of just the dragons themselves, and would explain the contradiction in the iron golem's lore.
I think the clams drop twinkling titanite because they're pearls. The purging stones may be human remains digested by the clams or covered in the nacre.
I kinda think that seath was using the man eater shells to craft twinkling titanite from the skulls of humans to use for himself. The item description says it has a special power which specific nature is not known. maybe he used titanite to make his crystal of immortality.
Guessing from the story and existence of Dark Souls 2, I'm guessing the Dragons still haven't returned as its been centuries since the Chosen Undead became the Dark Lord
In the past, I had always assumed that the drakes were simply the byproduct of scaleless dragons breeding. And I don't mean scaleless like Seath, I'm referring to Dragons whose Stone Scales were destroyed. Before they were at war with Gwyn, they had no need to breed. Perhaps once they were under attack however, they developed the ability in order to survive. This theory actually assumes that the Stone Scales are NOT genetic. Which would mean that Drakes at some point were dragons, and over time, breeding between these lesser dragons eventually led to drakes existing. The lack of Stone Scales being genetic would explain the Everlasting Dragon in ash lake, who seems to have fur, possibly as an adaptation due to the dragon not having its protective stone scales. But it still looks like the Dragons in the intro cutscene, meaning that the Everlasting Dragon must be a very close offspring of the original dragons. As for Kalameet, he lacks Stone scales, AND he doesn't look like an original dragon, which is why I used to assume he was a more distant off spring than everlasting. As a distant offspring, it would explain why he looked more like a Drake. Bit perhaps, he was simply stripped of his stone scales, but survived to tell the tale.
I find it peculiar that the dragon in the intro has two horns pointing straight out from its head, and one of them gets knocked off by Gwyn's bolts of light. When we find Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake, one of his horns shoots straight out, while the other appears smaller and possibly deformed, curling backwards. Could this be the same dragon, who's horn grew back from his injury?
Great video! Have you ever considered the dialogue in which Big Hat Logan states “Seath is a true undead” suggesting he Is not an ancient dragon, or maybe and undead ancient dragon?
I believe he's referring to the crystal that makes Seath a true undead, but it doesn't seem like that is connected to the other dragons, unless their scales of immortality are crystal-based
Dragons who lives in ash, then gods who lives in light, then man who lives in darkness. Add in D3, serpents who lives in water; the age of deep waters. The serpents are speeding up their time to thrive.
aren't purging stones left over bits of humans you stick the curse on to get it off yourself? so you find a slightly hallow skull,in the crab and stick a curse on them
These lore videos are always so captivating. As a boss, Kalameet was fucking hard. Definitely the hardest boss in the whole game for me, as even Manus didn't give me as much trouble (but he wasn't no cake walk either :P).
Kalameet's tail is the hardest boss in Dark Souls.
+CidGuerreiro1234 Actually, it's not so bad. I simply kept rushing him till he tried to step on me. Get far behind him... directly, and he'll bring that ass down on ya. Of course, I died so fucking much so I could learn his moves. But it was so satisfying to two hand his on sword on him. I didn't know what the effect was, so I squealed loud as fuck when I beat him that way.
Rayshaun Preston I died countless times to get his freakin' tail too. The amoun of time he sits on the ground is just ridiculously small.
Yep, I kept on dying till I could run past or dodge each of his attacks. They're really telegraphed. You can dodge through the sweeping fire, but I found it easier to get outta range. It looks so cool running through the fringe of the flame and not get hurt. After I got his tail, I tore them ankles up with my gold tracer. I grinded that thing to +5 and it shits on my +5 nito sword
Rayshaun Preston Yeah, it became my main weapon as well, especially since I was building mostly for Faith and Endurance. Kalameet's sword is like a super Drake Sword, lol.
CidGuerreiro1234 Man, helkite is on some bullshit. I beat kalameet and was like, "Oh, I know who imma fuck up now." That shit aint fair. I play light with the black shield too, but I could only tank like one block, but then poise breaks when he breaths.
If you try to take on the perspective of a dragon like Kalameet, supposed last of the ancient dragons, how lonely must that thing feel? If he had emotions or anything like that, I imagine that despite his power he was more alone than any being in the whole Dark Souls world at the time. His family is gone. He's the last of his kind. That's an incredible burden and I can see how it could lead Kalameet towards an extremely hopeless mindset. Somebody will kill him or he lives the rest of his days without any real purpose. To me this would lead to a sense of vulnerability and that can be illustrated by the very nature of the ring he drops.
Anchor Guy That's a pretty good observation!
dude they enslaved the men and undead ... also they never reproduced and never had famillie
notoriousbig3k The dragons just stood around, not caring for anyone else unless they were attacked first.
Whoaa duude, if you think deeper. Why dont kalameet revenge its kind by killing seath? At least that will set a goal for his live
@@septianrico4141 Maybe because he doesn't know where the fuck seath is? Besides, Ornstein and gwyndolin are in anor londor, And that "bats" cause eletric damage, It would be suicide
Darkroot just seems to be a dumping ground for Seath's creations, which is the reason I think the Hydra is there.
Well do note it is also Oolicile in present day, perhaps Kalameet was looking for a nesting ground? Using what we know of the dragon's themselves, their homes were the great trees. Ash Lake seems the remains of the burned down forest (hence why it is likely that the Dragon covenant is there and the "newly" hatched great stone dragon makes sense), and I do wonder if the dragon's didn't seek a new home similar to their old when driven off and mostly killed out by Gwyn and his knights. A forest like Oolicile might have worked.
You've also got Crystal Golems in Darkroot. They are also seen in the Crystal caves where Seath resides.
first you must get the calamity ring, then you must give 99 dragon scales to the everlasting dragon, then you must acquire EVERY dragon weapon in the game (except the dagger) and raise them all to +5. then you must talk to everlasting once more, he will send you to the painted world to talk to the zombie dragon, the zombie dragon will tell you of a half breed dragon who waits just ahead, and tells you that if you want to meet it, you must defeat the undead dragon. if all is done right a new set of dialogue will open with priscilla, i won't go into detail of what she says, but it ends with her letting you pet her fluffy tail.
Fuck that I ain't giving 99 dragon scales to no one! That stuff is very rare.
Fate Zero Archer
pvp for it ya nut
I am shit at PvP. I get backstabbed for days. I've been playing pvp in the forest and it's full of gankers and whatnot. Also can you really get dragon scales fro pvp. I think you can only get them on single player.
Just mule
Lol someone took this way too seriously
While I normally don't have any theories of my own when it comes to Dark Souls I did notice something interesting in the Depths that I haven't heard other people mention. Right above the Gaping Dragon's Boss arena is one of Seath's overseerers. Perhaps the Gaping Dragon was also born along with the stone dragon but Seath found him and started to experiment on him in order to determine the secrets to his immortality. That might be an explanation for why he drops no scales either because Seath essentially picked him clean, mutating him in the process (wouldn't put it past him). And this is pushing it but it might be possible that what seath learned from the Gaping Dragon he put to use in creating the Serpent warriors.That's a stretch but it's just a theory ....... A GAME THEORY!!!!!! Sorry. Had to happen.
*Gives a Lord soul.*
You deserve this my friend.
Sure maybe who cares
Never thought of that, good theory.
This theory is now my headcanon.
More likely it's just one of Seaths failed experiments
the serpents are imperfect because of their moustaches.
idropped mynipple
perfect*
Doesent that just make em perfect?
Haha, I wasn't expecting to get mentioned at all... especially for that. =)
Lol,
It's spreading, bro!
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And now I'm hungry.
Ayy I like your content both of you
I never fought Kalameet, not because I couldn't take him but because I didn't want to.
One reason being I am a dragon fan, and not in the "they're cool, i want to kill them" way that many seem to be a "fan" of them.
The other reason is, I never saw what he's supposed to be "guilty" of to justify killing him.
Here's my thoughts on the whole thing.
The only real negative thing you hear about him is "Even Lordran dared not to invoke his rage" (more or less). So he's quite angry and brutal.
But here's the thing. From the info you get he's the LAST of the ancient dragons, which means he lived though the dragon wars that began the age of fire, he lived through all those years of seeing his kind being slaughtered, betrayed by Seath and hunted to extinction.
And more, notice how despite being an ancient dragon which had "stone scales of immortality" that required powerful magic to even penetrate you can kill him with ordinary weapons. Then look at his burned and somewhat scarred looking body.
To me it looks like he didn't survive the war unharmed, he had his scales stripped off of him, entirely as he's doesn't drops scales when he's killed.
So seen his world forcefully transformed, his kin murdered over the cause of between decades and centuries, having to flee constantly AND probably being painfully stripped of his protective skin... yea, he has a reason to be angry at every living thing that came out of that age.
And whats more, when you find him what does he do... he lands on a bridge, give you one look... and then flies away into a valley, the dead bodies down there having stuff on them that indicates they wanted to kill him. He doesn't attack you till you come after him... all he wanted was to be left alone... YOU are the one that invaded and angered him.
If you think I'm over analyzing this, analzying the characters is a fairly large part of it. And really, most of what I hear when analyzing dragons is "well, we KNOW dragons are evil, so..."
Human (undead?) nature. Dragons are large, terrible creatures with immense power in the world of Dark Souls. Gwyn and his ilk found immense power of their own in the Lord Souls. We don't know who struck the first blow, but the intro indicates that it was Gwyn. "They challenged the dragons." But as to their reasons? Well, we don't know. Perhaps it was pride or perhaps the dragons were being rather mean - who can say!
Jordan Beck
you are missing the whole point of an RPG game.
also, games have stories, is not like you can go and kill everything because you feel like it
im about to kill him in my playtrough, just because i feel that the dragon era has ended, kalameet has no place in the new world
Yeah hes like midir! Both Dragons did nothing wrong only their jop! They only were killed because they could or will at somepoint be a problem. They arent yet! They only could.
@Dalton Davis for me, it was very simple.
The human had to fight the dragons to just find their place.Kalameet fought too and the dragons loosed.
He don't attack you the first time bc he just don't care.
He is not a danger bc he know if he start destroy too much things the human will fight back.
Attacking him now have no justifications in reality,other than cough giving you the opportunity ,wanting him to die for the war.
And i don't really think he was so much weakened from the war:the "ordinary weapon" you have just killed all the lords that fought the dragons.
Confirmed that Dark Souls is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" game.
SwollenEize Naturally! You are pretty much screwed, one way or the other.
Has always been that way. Just look at all the endings of all the games. You always end up someone elses pawn.
Just noticed I repeat myself at 7 minutes in, whups.
I said it once, and I didn't like how I said it, so I said it again and then I think I forgot to edit it out... at least, I think that's what happened. That'll teach me to try and edit videos at like 4am!
1128nesecret
I raised the pitch on his voice to see what it would've sounded like originally.
We still love the video man lol
i did
cthulhu6661313 do both kaathe and frampt talk though? maybe it's kaathe and nine other serpents. there's no way to tell if frampt is there unless there's some subtitle or something that specifically says it's him.
My opinion on Hydras: Murder. In the most gruesome way if possible.
I did not have this opinion before playing dark souls.
Personally, I believe the Stone Dragon and perhaps ash lake itself, was somehow hidden by the Furtive Pygmy/Mannus deep below the world, whom felt guilty over the dragoon slaughter and wanted to protect a remnant. This would explain why the dragon is willing to deal and share scales with humans, aside from trying to repopulate dragons but also because it has a soft spot for it's savior's descendants.
Interesting
I always thought it was just like 'real' dragons and drakes.
Dragons being like wolves and drakes being like dogs in terms of relations.
That could make sense, yeah
Maybe everlasting means more than ageless or immortal. Everlasting dragons could be a concept that a true ever lasting Dragon must always be in existence and that while the cycle of fire and dark continues, the dragons will always be there.
+addicted2SODA1 That's a good point.
Perhaps we're looking at the word "everlasting" in a wrong light. *switches light bulbs* There we go. Now lets examine.
Everlasting could mean it's literal meaning of: Never ending, immortal, etc.
But what if, bare with me here, guys, what if it were something else. What if it simply meant "to never face a true death."
There are no undead dragons in Dark Souls 2 and we haven't seen any in 3 thus far. What if those "undead" dragons were more akin to "nearly reincarnated?" What if we kill them, freeing their souls to find new forms. What if the dragon never truly dies but, like the fire, is rekindled, recycled, and reborn. There are, from my understanding, far more dragons in Dark Souls 2 than in 1 and the writers for 1 still had their hands in the candy jar for 2 so I'm sure they wouldn't have let anything lore breaking slip through.
What if the dragons simply reincarnate now that their scales are gone? Surely most may not have learned to do this but some could have. This could make it so that the Stone Dragon of Ash Lake is a reincarnated dragon, Sieth was never considered to be a "true" dragon, and it would be possible, with this, for Kalameet to be the "Last Ever-lasting dragon." What if that just meant he was the only one who hasn't been reborn yet? The only one who's gone undefeated even since before the dawn of gods. Just a theory though.
I think there should be a third ending in this game.
This comes if you kill Gwyn in dragonform and you are in the dragon covenant +3.
This would be the ending for the dragons!! (My favorite ending!^^)
Re-usher in the age of ancients
I 100% agree I played the whole trilogy in dragon form.
Glorious shot there gough
There's a hydra in darkroot because you kill Kalameet in the basin. The corpse/scales of a dragon can give birth to a new one.
/opinion
Based on that tree-like boss on the Dark Souls 3 teaser I assume that the archtrees gives birth to the Dragons, thats why the witches burn them down but not all of them. The Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake is surrounding by those giant trees that look and could be archtrees, so he might have been born there and not because of Kalameet.
I personally believe that undead dragons are dragons with one remaining scale so while the rest if their body decays there's one part keeping the body going
hydras could be a making of seath experimenting on his own kind mixing more than one to get revenge or just for knowledge
Oddly enough, the everlasting dragon of Ash lake is seen in the opening cutscene, something you didn’t mention. It shares the exact same horn formation and wing shape, so it can be assumed that is the same creature. I don’t know what this poses for the lore but hey it’s just something I thought
he's genuinely my favourite boss of the franchise he's so badass
I can join the dragons? I can turn Into a dragon?! ...PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY DRAGONS! THE DARK AGE SHALL BE THE RENEWED AGE OF DRAGONS!!!!
The hydras are the creation of seath. As you may notice they're guarded by seath's creations and the hydras are scaleless. They also have similar skin colours to seath. Seath probably created the hydras to 1. Capture girls 2. Do his bidding or whatever 3. The hydras being scaleless make him not the only scaleless dragon.
They do drop scales though
Taurus Demon above.
Hydra below.
Havel is kinda trapped.
Seath's idea?
Havel would rek that scrub
hard to focus, epic battle on screen
Thou has left a dragon roaming the land?! HOW DARE THOU
in tantam prorumpere blasphemiam!
HOW DARE THEE! I CHALLENGE THEE TO A DUEL!
Then you'll see who's the superior race, dragonslayer!
Engaging dragon form
"Thou will understand one day."
And then Midir appeared
Why do they have to call him "Black" Dragon Kalameet?
Ummm, racist.
This is 2014 it should be "African American" Dragon Kalameet.
Ethnic Dragon Kalameet? Is ethnic okay to say? I can't keep track and now I'm probably going to get sued by tumblr.
Silver Mont You're funny guy Abner.
Too late. The Spanish translation calls him *El Dragon Negro*
This made my day
"African-Lordranian"
I feel that Frampt and Kaathe and all of the other serpents are like a higher power. They don't really perceive the world like everyone else; evil and good are meaningless concept to them. And the reason they oppose each other is just to drive the world, or something. Because, well, procession often comes from disparity. They aren't truly enemies.
I hope you know that I hang out with you listening to lore more than I hang out with my family. Thanks for keeping me company with this stuff man, it makes my workdays and housework go by really fast. youre always very informed and very diligent with investigation. Thanks Dude!
Thanks for watching, my man!
The idea of serpents being "imperfect dragons" is one that has roots in Japanese legend and lore. From software, though is utilizes a lot of Western styled fantasy themes, also incorporates ideas from Japanese lore and fantasy in places. As soon as I saw the bit about the serpents being imperfect dragons I recognized the idea as one I've seen before. It is sort of...accepted, I suppose sort of like the lore of Unicorns purifying water and being drawn to maidens is accepted in Western legends, and commonly referenced and built upon. From what I understand, dragons in eastern lore are more often viewed as powerful beings that could be dangerous, but deserved reverence and respect, while serpents were a lower kind of creature that, were it to somehow ascend, could become a dragon and take on its higher power. This is supported by the fact that many Eastern depictions of dragons are very serpent-like, especially traditionally, and the only thing that really sets them apart from snakes are their short limbs, horns, and often their flowing manes, as their bodies are coiled and serpent-like. That said, there is a lot more complexity to this statement in Dark Souls than a simple Japanese myth, and it has been built upon with great originality.
Thanks for the info - I don't really know much about Japanese mythology beyond a vague recollection of that Princess Kaguya from the moon tale.
kalameet's black flames could have occult properties, which would explain why 'even mighty anor londo dare not provoke his ire'
Maybe Kalameet somehow was able to retain his mind after being tainted by the abyss. After seeing what the abyss can do, I would be scared as well of a dragon that can control that thing
my thoughts were that kalameet was thought to be the last of the dragons because the gaping dragon and the everlasting dragon both remained hidden in ash lake. there are still many arch trees down there, so my thoughts are that the flames used to burn the trees were put out, and the land was forgotten. after centuries passed, the dragon we now know as the gaping dragon crawled his way through the great hollow and escaped to the depths in search of food and shelter away from others of its kind. after years spent in the depths, the sewage and rot tore away and mutated at its flesh, deforming it and melting away at the flesh that once covered its ribs (now its second mouth)
***** anything is possible in this game when you really think about it. perhaps there was more than one dragon that traveled to the depths, but some traveled higher to the surface after the mutation, only to be killed by the gods.
or perhaps they were the same breed when it began, but only the one mutated. keeping his head up, it would not have become infected with the rot.
everyone has there own theories, but none can be proven true or untrue. that's the fun of this game ^^
It seems like both Kaathe and Frampt are both working towards their own selfish ends. The covetous serpent rings depict serpents as selfish beings "devouring prey even larger than itself," and I think that actually might be a clue to the driving force of the ancient serpents. It seems like both Kaathe and Frampt are pursuing immense sources of power, i.e. the First Flame and the spread of the Abyss, but they do not agree on which source is strongest. Frampt displays a direct connection to the First Flame through his ability to turn inanimate objects into souls like a fire turns wood into flames, so it makes sense that he would want the Chosen Undead to strengthen the Fire. Kaathe on the other hand feeds directly on humanity and grants us power and equipment based on how much of it we give him, so it's in his best interest to extinguish the First Flame to spread Dark. So both serpents seem to be manipulating events to gain more power, though I have no idea why they could be pursuing that much power.
+ShamusOFox Does one need a reason to desire power?
While I personally don't understand it there are people who actually exist who strive for power; seemingly for no other reason then they want power.
People like that are scary.
That depends on whether or not there's an ultimate goal.
Nice "Fuck you" to Kalameet there with the gesture
10/10 would rage again
Thanks for your hard work hope to see more.
Kalameet is corrupted, so what I think Is when he was in his pride he was fearsome.
But after being corrupted he baca me unstable just like Artorias
I was along the train of thought that havel was a member of the dragon covernent. think about it, he is the only npc that has a dragon weapon, he is called havel the rock (stone dragons) his armor is made from dragon bones and the great magic barrier is located in ash lake.
Nice theory on why the serpents might want to spread the abyss. Nice watch!
You can hear waves crashing against the shore in Darkroot, down where all the black and red lizards jump up onto the land. I always thought it was odd as there is no visible sea or water where the sound effect occurs only a giant crevice. I always thought it as an oversight by the devs. But since you mention the hydra being in Darkroot (the other being down in ash lake where this sound effect also occurs if I remember right) I'm now guessing it's to show an unseen connection between the two. It would explain why there are mushroom people in both areas as well.
I think Kalameet is somehow close to Manus and abyss because he uses not ordinary flame breath but black flame breath, also his eye looking like thing at the center of his head is so alike Manus got. And he is flying around area cursed by abyss. He may be corrupted dragon by abyss.
Dude don't even worry about lengthy videos
I actually prefer lengthy uploads with tangents that go on and on
makes it much more entertaining than a short and direct video which makes you urge for more content
I believe in Dungeon and Dragons Lore that ancient red dragons were by far the most powerful of all the dragons. At least looking at their stats they are. Of course when someone writes lore they can have it anyway they like,
Cute purple dragons are the most powerfull by far tho :3
Maybe in the base game. Read the Draconomicon, there are some breeds in there that make Red Dragons look like kobolds. (like Force dragons and Prismatic dragons)
@@DeanHarper i love time dragons, force dragons and prismatic dragons.
Yes, the gaping dragon was definitely mutated by the blight. That white witch tried to save her followers and take it into herself, and look what it did to her an immortal. Nicely done.
I think that the drakes/hydras/gaping dragon, crawled from the crack in the valley of the drakes *located above ash lake* is a reasonable theory.
Now I have great waves of nostalgia, at the close of DS
3:55 thats not gough s voice, wtf
***** I just raised the pitch a little, is all. Gough's voice has filters on it to make it slower and more "giant-like"
fair enough, but come to think about it, he sounds alot like Blacksmith Boldwin from Demon's Souls now does he not? i'm guessing same voice actor?
***** I believe so!
"I'll see you guys in 2014" that really hurt man. Great video though lol
I learned to say the date less often, because it helps to avoid the inevitable march of time.
ten serpents, ten humanities then you have maxed your discovery something, and TEN bowls at the place where you place the lordvessel... lore?
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Just a possibility as to why the clams drop purging stones: purging stones don't actually cure curses, they just redirect them into themselves as a proxy, and the stone has a human skull incased in it. So you may just be finding a skull that would work as a purging stone.
i think it's quite peculiar that the hydra and kalameet are fought in the exact same location
3:36
You could list Inheritance's Shruikan in here too.
Perhaps the hydras rose from the remains of other dead dragons? The hydra in Darkroot is in the future version of Kalameet's boss arena, and the hydra in Ash Lake perhaps rose from the corpse of the mother dragon who laid the egg that spawned the everlasting dragon, who perhaps died in childbirth? Honestly, I'm kinda opposed to my own theory here, but it makes sense...to an extent. Gods, why do Dark Souls Dragons have to be so complicated? There's Ancient Dragons, like the one in Dragon Shrine, Duke's Dear Freja's Boss room, and the Dragon Memory, then there's Super Ancient Dragons, like the one whose skeleton we find in Aldia's Keep (Who, might I add, is the only dragon large enough to harbor a tooth the size of the Dragon Tooth Weapon), then there's Seath; then there's regular dragons, who may or may not be actual Ancient Dragons, such as Kalameet and Sinh, maybe even Gaping Dragon, then the not actual dragons but not drakes either Guardian Dragon & friends...plus the corrupted ancient dragons that are the Primordial Serpents, then there's Drakes...then there's the not-ancient but immortal anyway Stone Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake...hell, my head is starting to hurt.
***** Died laying the egg...? It's Dark Souls man, anything goes. :P
***** That would break the hydras-rise-from-dead-dragons-theory. If the mother died in the war why would the hydra be in Ash Lake? That also makes me think, what if the hydras keep part of the memory or personality of the dragon they rose from? It'd explain why the hydra in Ash Lake so vigorously guards the Stone Dragon: it's its child. Just a thought. Personally these theories are too unsupported for my liking, but I like putting them out there for others.
Very large reptiles bury there eggs, it could stated buried in sand for a long time.
Stayed*
***** They were immortal beings....child birth wasn't a thing....so there had to be some serious complications.
Your ideas are mindblowing
I think that in-game lore can be prone to gossip and hearsay, as this would make the lore even more subject to interpretation. Dark Souls lore felt like it was meant to be discussed and interpreted, so having conflicting stories and vague references makes a bit of sense.
Gigas0101 That is a very good point, yeah
I think of "Ancient dragon" as a distinct race of dragon rather than dragons that are ancient.
Here's my thoughts on the serpents:
There is a lot of implication in their name, Primordial Serpent. If we break it down, primordial means before life or before some kind of creation. That would imply their existence before some kind of creation, which could be the creation of the first flame or, even more likely, before the everlasting dragons appeared.
Serpent is a little tough, but by the way Frampt and Kaathe interact with mortals and gods, it seems serpent is coming from the Christian representation of sin as serpents. This would imply their goal is to manipulate for change and change alone.
Frampt and Kaathe obviously represent the differences and similarities of light and dark, how they are two different orderings of the same motivation for change. I don't think Frampt and Kaathe have any desires outside of causing change. We know they are both part of the same group of serpents that will bow down to the play regardless of the ending, so to me Frampt and Kaathe seem like professional rivals. I think all serpentine motivation is change, because if we take serpent to be a reference to the biblical serpent in the garden of eden that would imply they manipulate to bring about change. They have no higher motivation, no higher calling - they are old gods of a time before fire and dragons, and their only cause is to manipulate and form the world to their order of light or dark.
dragons are what made dark souls so fun, always wanted more in the series..
I enjoy the Dark Souls dragons, so long as I'm not fighting them. I kinda wish the game had given us different mechanics to use against them for the most part - I can't help but compare with Dragon's Dogma, where the dragon fights were so much... better.
Late comment but if kalameet is the last of the ancient dragons and ancient = everlasting(bearers of dragon scales meaning they dont die) why he dies by our hand while the stone dragon cant die?
+420PraiseIt Fair point!
+420PraiseIt Gwyn's mighty bolts peeled appart his stone scales...
+Stefan Kratzberg but our "mighty bolts" that we can make from gwyns souls (sunlight spear) can't hurt him . Is he truly the only absolutely immortal and everlasting ? And why can we chop off his tail then if the scales are so tough ?
+DarkLord Gahramanov
_Sif stole the immortality crystal._
_That's why._
Rubastax The Tenno *Seath
If that's the reason, then why is the ash-lake dragon still imortal?
How I take my break from dark souls games, by watching dark souls videos on my down time. Nice.
and how does one last..I have to call him a coward. is he a coward for just been able to survive. think a bit.
when you start the game, there is that story about the fire etc. but than the story tells about war against the dragons. how spears shatter their scales and how Nito released miasma upon them and Seth betray them and all that. so dragons were defeated.
but if Kalameet still exist. it means he must have survived from the war..which is impossible when thinking about the end of other dragons.
so Im making an argument that Kalameet was a coward who run away and went hiding during the time of war and when dust had come down he rise up as a survivor. as now having all the glory what comes to dragons only to him self and what people think about him.
and yeah I do think serpants are just heads of a hydra which has a pretty damn big body (because the heads are so damn big). and because they all has their own brain they think separate things. but still share the common thing to order you around and make u believe what they want. and guess there is other undeads so rest of the heads might be speaking to them.
and why does hydra drop dragon scales..well, hydra in greek stories isnt a dragon what so ever. its just a monster, more related to snakes and many cultures have their own hydras, but they have never really have same abilities than dragons which would relate them to dragons. so if hydras of this game are anything like those. maybe hydras feed on dragon corpses and swallow dragon scales. and why there is one in dark root..I guess it just went there, its good place as any. but why there is those crystal golems surrounding it. werent those Seths creations..why send them there if he is looking for immortality. its nothing there in the forest that would help him.
tho I dont think dragons would be able to kill humans. chosen undead is only mere human after all. and he is able to kill dragons.
even that lords had great war towards dragons. pigmy choose better than they did. guess he foresaw what humans were able to do and know better than to use the soul to him self. he would been just one like rest of the lords. instead he choose to be selfless. even that he leave humanity to decide its own fate and know it could make mistakes. like spreading darkness all over the land. guess he just had to believe that humans would choose the right path.
but can be just see the writer jumping on his office 'ASK ME WHAT IT MEANS, ASK ME WHAT IT MEANS!! LOLOLOLOL!!!'
It is possible Kalameet was a coward! But I think the more likely case for his survival is just how much of a badass he supposedly was. Gough makes a point to emphasize that not even mighty Anor Londo dared provoke him... of course, Gough then does cripple Kalameet rather easily. All the same, I think the point is that Kalameet was just incredibly powerful and they didn't want to risk losing so many good men against him... or perhaps they thought he'd come and burn up Anor Londo.
Silver Mont yeah dragons arent all just mindless beast. even that most powerful warriors and knights would been send to kill Kalameet. he would probably fly to londo and attack it killing everyone.
I dont think he is so badass. he sure is powerful, he is dragon after all. but I dont think he would survive in actual war. he has good attacks and other things, but other dragons have fall in war and there was thousands of them, you must win the war and I dont think they would have let any dragon just walk away as 'meh we have killed so many so it doesnt matter at this point' no, they wanted to slaughter them all. so Kalamee might be strong against one or small group. but warrior king, knights, albino dragon, witches and nito....yeah Im still gonna make that argument that he escape and went hiding.
he was too weak to fight in war, even that he might not have feared death. but he might have feared end of his existence.
Well if you talk to Gough he actually gives you the attrition rates for the war between the gods and the dragons. He says that for every dragon they killed they lost sixty (three score) of their own.
It's possible that Kalameet was simultaneously the most powerful dragon and the most cowardly, but we can't really know that because other than Seath (who is unique) we're never really given any insight into how dragons think, or if they think at all. Do they fear death? Did they realize they were going to lose the war and be wiped out by the gods? Did they despair? Did they hate Seath for betraying them?
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random additional fuel for the fire, consider how intelligent seathe is. he can't be unique in that regard so kalameet must be at least sentient
Actually, a thought on those man-eater shells dropping purging stones, based on the item description.
The item description states that purging stones were once people, as a curse can only be given to another to carry as a surrogate. Perhaps, the purging stones they drop were once people that they had eaten somewhere down the line?
let us not forget the world eater Alduin
He couldn't eat a chicken mcnugget if it was fed to him
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Kalameet pisses on Alduin. Not because of power or anything. Kalameet is just way cooler.
My guess with the clams, The ones in ash lake dont belong there (dont have a thought on this) they orginally resided in the crystal caves, twinkleing titanite grows off their shells (gotta come from somewhere), and when they eat humans they carry the skulls much like a pearl untill it turns to a stone, you take the purgeing stone and use its leftover humanity to rid yourself of curse and pass it onto the soul inside.
+Nathaniel Borchardt This makes so much sense it scares me.
Just a thought ;)
Being conservative is the key to peace in Dark Souls. Too bad the dragons were slayn.
(this is a speculation from both lore of ds and ds2) I think that the path of dark is definitely connected to the dragons, I believe so because aldia, who let's you take the option not to link the fire wants to rebuild dragons as he has one complete and another dragon in his Manor that is almost complete. also I personally believe that the everlasting dragon is having humans gather scales so just like aldia was doing he could rebuild more dragons
just wonder is it any where I can find the pic of kalameet
Reading below, Someone mentioned it sort-of being a side quest to kill Kalameet and maybe in Dark Souls 2, they just carry on as though that wasn't the "Vanilla" ending. I noticed in the trailer watch?v=k-dcwB3qTMA at 1:36, the dragon there has a 3rd eye (not sure if he has 2 eyes on the side) in the middle, like kalameet!
Sorry if this has been mentioned before
The primordial serpents couldn't actually give a shit what happens. They were there from the beginning. If I was around that long I would get together with my buds and just fuck with people's heads for a bit of fun.
One serpent tries to manipulate someone to link the fire. One serpent tries to manipulate someone to bring the Dark. I can imagin that one serpent is trying to manipulate someone to create another first fire.
I think the reason the man eater clams drop twinkling titanite is because the inner layer of the clams mouths seem to be made of it, I mean they do look quite similar. If you read the twinkling titanites description it says that it emits a powerful energy, this makes me believe that the corpses eaten my the man eater clams are then compresed and purified into purging stones, much like how actual clams make pearls.
"What sort of cosmic event could've created this class of titanite!?" - Dark Souls II"It's the clam's mouth bit" - TwoSouls XD
Your artwork cracks me up! Your lore narration is awesome as well :)
Thanks! And yeah I'm a big fan of the art my friend draws for these.
I want to have Kalameet give me a slice of pizza like that! lol
Imagine being such a badass that a kingdom known primarily for slaying your kind is scared to come fight you.
Love your Lore videos Silver Mont, keep up the good work. Can't wait to see you (Hopefully) do Dark Souls 2 when it comes out.
When I played dark souls for the first time, the everlasting dragon was the creature which impressed me the most. I mean, his name, the soundtrack, the vibe at the ash lake, his overall mystery and then how he opened his wings and just stood there in front of me... For me it was the most impressing moment in dark souls, I'd love to know more about him.
Personally I think, the gods were wrong about Kalameet being the last ancient dragon, since they just didn't detect/recognize another, much more silent, inconspicious one right beneath their feet hidden at the ash lake.
7:02 sorry I didn't really hear it, what was the only way to kill them?
I've not watched it to check what I said but I'm going to guess a) lightning b) feet c) sex
I read Dark souls 2 story occurred hundreds or even more in the past. Dark souls 2 showed an abundance of dragons
The reason kalameet is considered the last ancient dragon, is that , one, seath is the duke and shouldn't even be classified as a dragon due to his vital role in the war.
And two, the everlasting dragon and the ash lake as a whole, aren't known by anyone at the time.
The Hydra in the Darkroot Basin is a child who was like Seethe an abomination or a for lack of a better term a mutation like the everlasting dragon it is an egg that hatched from Kalameet no less because it is proved that the Darkroot Forest/Basin is where Oolicile once was and if you think about it you fight Kalameet in a large area which has waterfalls and so it most likely was an area where Kalameet was or rested so it is never told how long the eggs layed before hatching so my take on it is as the lake area filled by the water the dragon inside the egg started to mutate so when it hatched it could still live that is my take.
Is Gough's tower the same as the tower in the Profaned Capital?
I don't believe so, but I haven't compared them side by side. I think it was mostly an homage to it. Like over the years maybe some legends were passed down about giant archers in towers or something, even if the specifics were lost
I like to believe that the everlasting dragon is an ancient dragon that no one knows survived and has been in hiding in Ash lake. He is called a stone dragon but he has fur this allows us to believe his scales were peeled off by gwyn's lightning.As for why he looks different from the one in the cutscene, we'll we already know their are alote of variety in looks for these dragons and no one said they all had to look like the one in the cutscene.
Awesome video. Few people in the community talk about Kalameet and Gaping Dragon. One thing that comes to mind: the dragons have a lot of descendants. How they all came to be? They couldn't be all part of a giant pile of eggs in Ash Lake. What if they are still reproducing? That would explain the amount of dragons in Dark Souls II.
In the games files. You can find beta Kalameet. It's him before being affected by the abyss. Look up a video about it.
Speculation: knowing that Seathe wanted the scales of everlasting dragons and the ability of immortality, he would need to experiment and research into the dragons themselves. The dragons being wiped out, he would need descendants of the dragons to study or experiment on. But, what if he had a different, more cruelly ingenuitive plan? If the dragon we meet at ash lake is a "descendant," why is he having you collect scales on his behalf? Here's where I'm getting at, what if Seathe raised the everlasting dragon? Consider the fact that the hydra is present at ash lake, an assumed creation of Seathe's. More so, the dragon wouldn't need scales since he has his own. Another point to be made would be the hydra in dark root guarding the entrance to Oolicle: where the LAST ancient dragon (Kalameet) resides. Seathe may have been trying to acquire the scales indicated by their presence and awkward strange standpoints in the game.
i think that as well because if you look at stone dragon in ash lake... he looks like he is still in his nest.
I love your thumbnail images so much
I also thought about the snakes beeing hydras. They have a similar autonomy and the snakes all look the same.
If that should be true, it also explains why Kaathe and Frampt are not fighting each other: They would have to damage themselfes.
It also tells us, that they probably know the location of the other snakes. Frampt was blocking the Firelink shrine, so Kaathe couldn't influence the chosen undead before him. And it also explains, why Kaathe doesn't appear when you first talk to Frampt.
About the everlasting dragon:
He is an error in the plot that I couldn't solve. Similar to the Ashe Lake skull. You don't get to know much about the area at all. It seems to be a reference to the norse mythology.
I believe that dragons are technically living in the bare sense that they are autonomous vessels for souls, but as a result are vulnerable to influence which is why there are so many variations even of just the dragons themselves, and would explain the contradiction in the iron golem's lore.
I think the clams drop twinkling titanite because they're pearls. The purging stones may be human remains digested by the clams or covered in the nacre.
I kinda think that seath was using the man eater shells to craft twinkling titanite from the skulls of humans to use for himself. The item description says it has a special power which specific nature is not known. maybe he used titanite to make his crystal of immortality.
Guessing from the story and existence of Dark Souls 2, I'm guessing the Dragons still haven't returned as its been centuries since the Chosen Undead became the Dark Lord
In the past, I had always assumed that the drakes were simply the byproduct of scaleless dragons breeding. And I don't mean scaleless like Seath, I'm referring to Dragons whose Stone Scales were destroyed. Before they were at war with Gwyn, they had no need to breed. Perhaps once they were under attack however, they developed the ability in order to survive. This theory actually assumes that the Stone Scales are NOT genetic. Which would mean that Drakes at some point were dragons, and over time, breeding between these lesser dragons eventually led to drakes existing. The lack of Stone Scales being genetic would explain the Everlasting Dragon in ash lake, who seems to have fur, possibly as an adaptation due to the dragon not having its protective stone scales. But it still looks like the Dragons in the intro cutscene, meaning that the Everlasting Dragon must be a very close offspring of the original dragons. As for Kalameet, he lacks Stone scales, AND he doesn't look like an original dragon, which is why I used to assume he was a more distant off spring than everlasting. As a distant offspring, it would explain why he looked more like a Drake. Bit perhaps, he was simply stripped of his stone scales, but survived to tell the tale.
Fun fact: Kalameet has 3 eyes, his orange one, and two normal ones, this is more visible with the board game figure.
I find it peculiar that the dragon in the intro has two horns pointing straight out from its head, and one of them gets knocked off by Gwyn's bolts of light. When we find Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake, one of his horns shoots straight out, while the other appears smaller and possibly deformed, curling backwards.
Could this be the same dragon, who's horn grew back from his injury?
Great video! Have you ever considered the dialogue in which Big Hat Logan states “Seath is a true undead” suggesting he Is not an ancient dragon, or maybe and undead ancient dragon?
I believe he's referring to the crystal that makes Seath a true undead, but it doesn't seem like that is connected to the other dragons, unless their scales of immortality are crystal-based
OH MY GOT AN MTG REFERENCE! I love Nicol Bolas!
He's pretty neat
not as neat as your voice, where did you get that? :D
Dragons who lives in ash, then gods who lives in light, then man who lives in darkness. Add in D3, serpents who lives in water; the age of deep waters. The serpents are speeding up their time to thrive.
aren't purging stones left over bits of humans you stick the curse on to get it off yourself? so you find a slightly hallow skull,in the crab and stick a curse on them
These lore videos are always so captivating. As a boss, Kalameet was fucking hard. Definitely the hardest boss in the whole game for me, as even Manus didn't give me as much trouble (but he wasn't no cake walk either :P).
I think Kalameet probably gave me the most trouble in my SL1 run, for sure.
Given the locations of each Hydra, perhaps they are born from deceased ancient dragons?