Disney Guy Review - The Black Cauldron
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2018
- At long last, it's time to look at one of Disney's darkest, and ultimately one of their least successful animated films. Let's take a look at the troubled history of The Black Cauldron
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To be fair, modern Disney could really use a shot of 'Dark' right about now.
To be far, modern Disney could really use a shot of 'Dark' right about now.
I would say a few modern Disney films are dark in a thematic way. Zootopia for its look at societal racism.
Dean Weiss there's a difference between dark and touching up on dark. modern Disney films don't really go into dark places and kind of just touch up on the subject and move on and sometimes it becomes the argument with people on what they were hitting. incredibles 2 was good and had some dark surprises but in turn you'll notice how people turn that into feminist propaganda. aside from that one a lot of recent Disney movies have an entirely predictable element where you already know who's gonna be the bad guy or antagonist from a point that's kinda clear but not entirely.
true they are by definition successful but the one common factor they all have in the reviews everyone has given is they all have the predicable villain formula where they don't really take the kind of chances black cauldron, rescuers, rescuers down under, and other renonssance era Disney movies had. those were flawed too but they had the more interesting and memorable villains and again even though black cauldron was a flop the horned king is still more memorable than modern Disney villains.
you do need the right amount of dark on these films you just need the right kind of pacing and story telling. if anything ever needed a reboot it would be this film to tell the story as it should be told at least by Disney standards. the live action reboots have this problem too. they try to be dark yet modernized but that's missing the whole point of what the originals tried to do. a little modernizing or alterations is fine but you can't let affect the overall narrative.
Modern Disney movies aren't predictable, certainly not nearly as predictable as older ones, even many from the 90s.
Other than the villains, what do you find predictable? That was the only example you gave.
And the villains aren't even predictable, all of the recent twists have been gorgeously written (King Candy is my favorite Disney villain of all time) and so unique to themselves, besides Zootopia's. But even then, even though that twist wasn't written well, it still wasn't predictable-it wasn't easy to tell that she would become the villain.
Aside from that, what's an example of them sacrificing narrative for the sake of modernizing something? Disney's biggest problem as a company is NOT modernizing anything and staying stuck in the past.
It's laughable to say that the older Disney movies too more risks than modern ones, and it's downright nonsense to say the characters were more memorable. Older Disney had some good villains, sure, but the quality of the characters was severely, severely lacking, which is why I don't like older Disney that much. The only older Disney movies that could possibly compete with the more recent ones are The Lion King, Lilo and Stitch, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Beauty and the Beast. (I haven't seen the Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis or Treasure Planet so who knows maybe them too). I'm not saying there aren't other good Disney movies, but to compare them with the ones coming out today... I'm sorry, but that's just blind nostalgia talking.
Agreed. Since Renaissance, they have been on a sugar binge, bright colors and overly positive, feel good, and safe. Of course, it's Disney, but there aren't really any mainstream alternatives offering anything with a different tone/mood. In the 80s, there was ex-Disney Don Bluth/Amblin also producing darker themed animated films.
If there is any animated Disney that deserves a live action remake, its The Black Cauldron.
I would love to see that!
I’m very split on the Black Cauldron. One the one hand it’s obvious there were too many cooks going in too many directions with a crew that wasn’t ready for a film like this. On the other John Hurts horn King is great and some of the animation is impressive. This is one of those films that should be remade, bug it’d take a very talented director and writer to do it. I have not read the books so I don’t know what is supposed to stay and what can go
The Black Cauldron essentially took a selection of the characters, and world pieces and events from the first couple of books. Simplified or changed them, and then made a movie from them. Then named the movie after the second book.
To give you a few examples of how much they simplified a few characters:
Fflewdur Fflam - In the books was a bard that was a kind of bad bard but a brave(and competent) warrior and loyal friend. He also had an issue with "putting a little color on the truth." This was one of the few characteristics they preserved including his harp that snaps a string every time he lies(and more than one at times). However his harp basically plays itself so that makes up for fact that he is a mostly incompetent musician. Also in the books he is portrayed as more of an impetuous young man rather than an old duffer. Oh he is also a king by the way.
Gurgi - In the books while his size is not explicitly stated he is generally comparable to Taran in size. He starts out as a bit of a sniveling coward, but by the end of the first book is essentially a selfless, brave, and competent warrior as well as a loyal friend. This was probably the least cheated character but was very different in overall feel nonetheless.
Eilonwy - They turned the eccentric quirky heir of the great magic of Llyr into just a generic character. She was amazing, bizarre, and genuinely hilarious character. I cannot express my saltiness on how dumbed down she was.
Doli - Along with the rest of the fair folk got completely shafted. The only things he has in common with his actual character are name and grumpiness, and I think an ability to turn invisible(can't remember if they included this or not).
Removed major characters(a sampling not a comprehensive list that would take too long):
Prince Gwydion - A core complex character they straight up removed.
Coll - While has a minor roll in the first 2 books is basically a father figure for Taran.
Arawn - The actual main villain.
Achren - Eilonwy's Aunt. At different times in the series an antagonist and ally to the group. Very nuanced and well written character.
Ellidyr - Can't describe this character without major spoilers for the second book.
If you have the time I would highly recommend picking up the series. They are a pretty quick read. If they do decide to remake the series I hope they give each book its own movie. i would love to see that. Not sure if it is the best idea for a kids cartoon. The books get pretty... violent.
I agree. It wasn't a bad movie, but not amazing either. Not bad
@@Vickytoriahirt1234 The Problem with this film is this was directed by Ricard Rich. Has this guy ever made a good film????
Can we talk about the fact that this film lost at the box office to The Care Bears Movie?
Oh I know, I think I mention it towards the end. Definitely a sign that things were bad
You did. That doesn't stop me from being baffled from this "miracle" (for lack of a better term). LIKE THE FUCKING CARE BEARS! THAT MOVIE WAS NOT EVEN GOOD!
Dang, The Horned King lost to a spirit in a magic codex. And the heroes of the movie lost to a bunch cuddly furry animals with magic powers.
Care Bears had also been out for three or four months by the time Black Cauldron was released
Didn't even mention that John Hurt voiced the Horned King.
Get this: after Jeffrey Katzenberg left for Dreamworks, he gloated about how this film was a failure as an attempt to put Disney down, even though the failure was his fault.
In fairness, I think Black Cauldron was destined for mediocrity long before Katzenberg came into the fold, but yeah, his "contributions" certainly didn't help in this case
He also wanted to make "Toy Story" edgy. But it did not went well.
I love The Black Cauldron and consider it a very underrated classic, but, DANG! Talk about egotistical!
What do you mean by? Are you referring to Joe or somebody else?
SuperDisney Fan I meant Katzenberg. Lol
And this is why I wouldn't mind this series getting a live action reboot. It needs to be a mini series on Netflix or any other streaming service.
I heard Disney's making a live-action adaptation.
I,d write that.
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The image of the Horned King eating popcorn will never not be funny.
You bring news of the pig?
Lol
I remember watching the Black Cauldron and not even knowing that it flopped. But I did actually enjoy the movie. The action and adventure, and the voice and design of The Horned King. He's awesome and scary and evil at the same time.
The Black Cauldron has been one of my all time favorite Disney movies ever since I was a kid. So I was SHOCKED to find out its history and that it was the black sheep of Disney and almost killed off the animation department when I was a teenager in high school!
Justin Blystone It was by far one of my favorites as a kid. The horned king actually really scared me when I was little but I love it so much for having that creepy kinda scary element.
If you're not gonna find your characters interesting, you're not gonna find your movie interesting.
-Doug Walker
Welcome back, Joe. Love your reviews :)
"Black Cauldron" is one of the few Disney movies that deserves to have a live-action remake.
My 2 cents, there was a great idea here, but it was executed poorly. Without the production hiccups and executive meddling, this could have been something original and groundbreaking. So many circumstances generated a perfect storm to make this film a shell of its potential. It is my dearest wish that if Disney is bent on remaking selections of the animated canon in live action, they take a swing at this one. For the love of Mickey and Donald, remake something that you can actually IMPROVE! I double dog dare you Disney. Make a better Black Cauldron.
Very good video.
For the record, the FairFolk were not the biggest victims of the film's 12 minute shave, it is stated in multiple accounts of the animators that entire sequences were shuffled around, re-written and completely re-done in spite of most of the animators agreeing that most of the time these changes were for the worse.
The Fairfolk scene was completely replaced so it doesn't account for the ammount of cuts, the reveal of the Horned King is actually a scene that plays later in the movie, and the gory violent stuff is merely a fraction of the deleted content, most of them being guess what, actual character development.
Dennis You are absolutely right, my friend. Now, if Katzenberg had just left this movie alone and let the animators do their jobs, I don't think this movie would be as big of a hit as say, Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King, but it definitely would have been spared from bombing.
Great to see you back! The Black Cauldron definitely has a lot to admire with its animation, but unfortunately that doesn’t make up for the dull characters and plot in my opinion. It’s crazy to think this movie nearly killed the Disney animation department. Though it may not be remembered as a good film, The Black Cauldron’s impact will always be remembered as a dark period in Disney history.
I loved the Black Cauldron growing up! I have very fond memories of it and I think one of the reasons why is because it is more mature than the generic happy movies we get from Disney. It's real fantasy and the author of the books said while it wasn't a great adaptation, it was a great stand alone movie
The Chronicles of Prydain has always been my favorite book series. Even though this film has almost nothing to do with the books, I do have a soft spot for The Black Cauldron
black cauldron is one of my guilt pleasures
I liked it. Not really a favorite. It wasnt bad. Not the greatest. It was alright.
@@Vickytoriahirt1234 horned king is by far the most intimidating disney character. I loved the mature themes and how dark it was as a child. Good disney movie to toughen up young boys.
This movie was almost rated R
Can u believe that?
I can understand why
There were scrapped storyboards where some soldiers were being killed, and it was very graphic
*shudders*
They were disintegrating DOWN TO SKELETONS! There was blood involved, as well
A skeleton originally sliced a soldier's throat open
*screams*
And this is where the story of "Waking Sleeping Beauty" began which is my favorite Disney Documentary film and favorite overall Documentary film.
Joe, i am happy you are back, i will be looking forward to your review of "The Lion King".
Great to have you back! Looking forward to seeing your reviews on the rest of these!
Yes! You’re back!!!
19:47 actually it WAS rereleased in selected markets under the title “Taran and the Magic Cauldron” in 1990.
Well what goes down, must come up.
Well this is what Disney did for the next in line... The Great Mouse Detective.
Joe! I’ve been watching you for years and while you may feel differently, to me and I’m sure to many others, your videos are always worth the wait! That being said I’m SUPER excited to watch your review for “The Great Mouse Detective”. I loved that movie as a child and to this day is still one of my favorites from Disney :)
Well thank you, I appreciate the kind words. Hopefully I can get to a point where you dont have to wait as long inbetween videos!
I would love to see the version that was made before Katzenburg messed with it!
From what I understand, a lot of it was just a toning down of the visuals during the cauldron born scene and the basic elimination of the fair folke scenes, some of which there's at least storyboards for
Joe The Disney Guy Well after doing some research I found this deleted part as well. ua-cam.com/video/M8zQHO40Cys/v-deo.html
I would have liked to have seen this deleted Reprise of Be Prepared in The Lion King as it gives Nala a reason to go search for Simba and explains why she left Pride Rock ua-cam.com/video/zl8gDjaHWWA/v-deo.html
Also did you know about the alternate ending for The Lion King where Simba is tossed from Pride Rock and is about to die only for the rain to save him and Scar is killed by the fire he caused?
James Moyner Simba doesnt die in the alternate ending. Scar throws him off the cliff and dies in the flames, but Simba survives, very injured.
TheNMan64 It is actually sort of ironic that you replied with your response when you did. Because just yesterday did I find that ending on UA-cam watched it and realized that I was wrong. I edited my earlier reply to reflect this information.
This is one of the last Disney animated films I need to see, the others being "Lady and the Tramp" and those of the 'wartime era'. I've been interested in it's production for a long time, so great job!
(I just remembered that I haven't seen "Sword in the Stone" either. Looks like i have some catching up to do lol.)
I had actually read the Chronicles of Prydain prior to the release of the Black Cauldron film and found that it failed both as a Disney movie and as an adaptation of those books. You are right that the characters who had been so interesting to me in the books just came out a little limp here. Yes, the characters should be in over their heads, but the way they were portrayed made them seem like they would in over their heads if they had been trying to complete a trip to the grocery store. If you don't respect your central characters it's hard to feel like they speak or act for you. These people seemed like they were just victims of their surroundings who somehow managed to survive cataclysm despite being mostly incompetent. A big disappointment.
Yeah, of course adaptations to film are always difficult and Disney, to their credit, had some success in the past with just sorta taking the characters and making their own story (i.e. Jungle Book). But when you strip elements from the characters AND the story? It becomes problematic
Been looking forward to this one for a while. Great review, man!
Some one should remake The Black Cauldron and do it right.
Your Fairy Godmother listened. Disney's doin' it.
You're back reviewing the Disney Animated Canon, AWESOME!
Another great video Joe :). I am not the biggest fan of the film, but my heart goes out Gurgi. You are right he is the main hero of the story. It is interesting to look at the history behind the film. Comparing it to the next Snow White I think was the wrong way to go. Another problem I find right out of the gate is trying to adapt a series part book series which might have been to much from a storytelling pov. Snow White was a simple story at its heart so it was a lot easier to mold it into a story.
As I said, another solid review from you. Keep up the good work and I hope work is going well. I am really looking forward to your next review.
Thank you! And yeah, remember, Snow White was chosen partially BECAUSE it was a simple story. Disney had success with taking a story or a conglomeration of a story from a book series in the past, such as The Rescuers, but when you're trying to adapt something as complicated as The Chronicles of Prydain, you almost have to make a choice: faithful adaptation or just a strong original movie loosely based on the source material. Unfortunately neither really happened here, so you alienated fans of the series and just average moviegoers alike
I don't care what people say. I LOVE The Black Cauldron! It is my eighth favorite Disney animated movie of all time! I LOVED this movie ever since I was a little kid. It is my childhood! I found out that this movie was the black sheep of Disney when I was a teenager by being on the Internet in high school and I was SHOCKED! I always considered The Black Cauldron to be a classic! I NEVER once thought that people would look so down upon it and even so call it Disney's freaking disaster let alone what it made Disney suffer through. This movie is far superior compared to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, in my opinion.
Andrea Smeelie I mean it nearly killed the animation studios
Well made video!
The odd thing is, I don't necessarily think that The Black Cauldron is a bad movie. I just think it's a bad Disney movie. Disney's animated features (excluding sequels) usually hold a high standard. This felt like it missed the mark. But it was a pretty film and the music was lush and thrilling. It just felt lackluster by Disney's standards.
They messed up a lot of scenes in the edits. Not only did they cut 12 minuets out but many scenes are out of order and lines are. Some of the animations had glitches and skippy repeated frames because they edited out too much. Out of the gore scenes that only cut out 3 minuets, and the rest of the 9 minuets is story. I seen many of the plot points missed from the movie from story boards, and people have gotten the order correct and even managed to recover those scenes to almost former setup. Even in the movie there is a few frames where the storyboard images are visible. The horned king speaks the truth about her being a maid as he accurately describes all the characters. The fair folk actually had the least amount of editing outs. At 17:02 you can visibly view one of the pointless edits that removes smooth animation and repeats frames multiple times and actually edited out a far more impressive effect of the horned king that made it look more 3dish.
I would love to see Disney do a dark fantasy film like The Black Cauldron today. While The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Zootopia had darker and heavier subject matters, I really want the look and atmosphere of The Black Cauldron back!
Actually they do say why the Horned King wants the cauldron as he wants to raise an undead army to destroy humanity; exactly why he operates the way he does is explained in the book series.
Outside of the visuals & Elmer Bernstein’s score is getting the now late John Hurt as the villain. That famous gravelly voice makes for a chilling performance even with the underdone script & edits
Just a very minor technical nitpick. The Black Cauldron and Sleeping Beauty were shot in Super Technirama 70, which actually used 35mm film (though run horizontally for a larger image). The 70 in the name refers to the fact that those films were printed onto 70mm film for projection (and the quality was pretty close to something actually shot on 70mm.)
At long last Joe, you've made it to #25! Congrats, man! Can't wait until we can get to the Disney Renaissance era.
Thank you for specifying the use of CGI being used in Great Mouse first, as that was what I'd been taught but wasn't sure of, due to the different release dates. 😁
Growing up we had a puzzle from The Black Cauldron and that was the only exposure I had to the film until it came out on video. Then I remember being disappointed that it was nothing like I imagined. 😅
I read the books years later and I absolutely love those. 😄 Highly recommend.
Holy crap you’re back!!! I actually really like the black cauldron. It deserves a remake. I hope you’re next video is coming sooner than this one did, cause the great mouse detective is one of my favorite movies
I'm certainly going to try to! Summer is approaching so hopefully that means a little more time to actually do my own projects
My Dad and I actually love the movie. I hope the live action reboot Disney announced will make it a lot better.
When I was a kid I thought this movie was badass. As an adult you can definitely tell this movie went through developmental hell. Some of the flattest character development you'll ever see in a movie and it just didn't feel done.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed Princess Eilonwy's obvious resemblance to Stevie Nicks? The hair, the clothing...everything. It makes sense, seeing as she was a major star when the film was released, as well as during the ten years leading up to it's release. I've always assumed that that was a deliberate move on the part of the younger animators, thinking it would catch people's attention in the posters and advertisements.
I saw it when I was 13 (the ideal target audience), and was surprisingly underwhelmed by it. Around this time (the mid-1980's) a LOT of films were made for the teenage audience (The Dark Crystal, Rock and Rule, Labyrinth, The Last Unicorn, Legend, et al) before studio heads realized that it wasn't a big market, and switched to films "for the whole family".
I have been waiting four months for this moment!
Full Voice Actor List
Grant Bardsley: Taran - Susan Sheridan: Princess Eilonwy - Nigel Hawthorne: Fflewdurr Fflam - John Byner: Gurgi, Multiple Males - John Hurt: The Horned King - Phil Fondacaro: The Creeper - Freddie Jones: Dallben - John Huston: The Narrator - Arthur Malet: King Eidilleg - Brandon Call: One Fairy Child - Lindsay Rich: Another Fairy Child - Billie Hayes: Orgach the Witch - Eda Reiss Merin Orddu the Witch - Adele Malis Morey: Orwen the Witch - Peter Renaday: Multiple Males - Corey Burton: Multiple Males - Chris Latta: Multiple Males - Linda Gary: Multiple Females
So a bit of an 'Elephant Man' reunion with Hurt and Jones in the cast.
1:47 when you said “inexperienced animators” as somebody threw a ball at a guy lying down on his chair was the most hilarious thing.
Every once in a while I like to throw in some clever edits haha
The Black Cauldron is one of my favorite underrated Disney movies along with The Great Mouse Detective and the Rescuers Down Under
I personally loved the black cauldron
Speaking of real smoke, Joe, did you know that the smoke was actually reused in "Beauty and the Beast"?
Once you get to Home On The Range sometime in the future, I would be curious to see if you think that one, or this film is worse. Anyway, awesome review! And yes, thank God that Disney made an effort to get back on top, and succeeded for a long while in the end!
Will there be any more reviews of Disney movies? You got some really great stuff here, it be a shame to let it end. Keep them coming if possible. Cheers
Despite the fact that Tim Burton worked on this film, I've STILL not seen it! I am awful!
You should definitely check it out then, but don't feel too bad, his contributions were certainly minor all things considered
I aim to watch it for Halloween this October! It's on disney+
I think it's a really unique movie and that's why I love it because one part of the movie is happy and cheerful and then the other part of the movie is scary for most people back then. I really loved how they did all the artwork, it kinda gives me sleeping beauty vibes for the horned kings castle and elionwy looks exactly like princess aurora and Alice. My 1st favourite Disney film in my opinion I think it's the best
Hey Joe Welcome Back It’s Been a While Love watching your videos 😍😍😉👍🏻 Have a Fantastic Day today 😉
Frankly I find The Black Cauldron to be a underrated 80s flick that along with Ralph Baski and Gerald Potteron
I will admit that the story is pretty generic and the characters are as dull as dishwater but damnit I cannot bring myself to hate this film. I love the music, the animation and I absolutely adore how dark it is
Well it's not the worst Disney film, that belong to Chicken little
Amy Collins that and Home on the Range were the absolute worst Disney films.
I was 15 in 1985 and don't even remember it being released. I saw it first on VHS in the late 90s because my friend collected Disney videos and purchased it. I saw it recently on Disney+ in full HD. Visually it is very impressive. I actually like the throwback animation style for the characters. I don't know what Tim Burton had in mind, but I suspect the classic Disney look is more to my preference. The thinly drawn characters are the downfall of the movie. I don't think extra time with the fairies would have done much.
Do you recomend it? Might watch it on Disney+
When I was a kid, I actually liked this movie. It was a bit darker than the other films I saw, but I wasn't creeped out by it.
Good video I love hearing you opinions and criticism
Gurrky was voiced by veteran impressionist John Byner, btw.
And As noted by others, the film got its arse handed to it by the Care Bears movie. Another Disney film that would also get the Box Office smackdown two weeks after the Black Cauldron premiered was Return to Oz.
I thoroughly disagree with your assessment of the film's quality (I'm a big fan of the film, personally) but I can respect it because, unlike most Disney reviewers, you were actually fair to it and the review wasn't just a long rant about how bad you think the movie is. Also, you actually know what you're talking about when it comes to Disney history and putting the films in the proper context, which is something else the majority of Disney reviewers lack. So, hey, good job!
Everything in this review is spot on, yet I still love this film (and I can't even blame this on "nostalgia" as I was already 18 when the film was released).
I liked it but I agree it was too fast and the characters could have been flashed out more. I have read the first book when I was a kid and remember it was very different from the book. Princess Eilonwy for example has a much bigger and active role. I think it was weird they changed it in the movie.
To be honest I really liked this film as a kid and still like it to this day and I thought it was a really great film and it definitely was the scariest Disney movie ever
To be fair I actually like this movie yeah I mean the voice acting isn't going to win any awards but I think that this movie actually doesn't deserve to hate it's been getting lately but like I said the movie isn't perfect but what movie is honestly this movie probably ranks up as my second favorite Disney movie of all time
How did I miss this till now!!!!
No mention of John Hurt?
I've always loved this film🖤
the studio's most sinister villain,voiced by none other than (the one&only)John Hurt... oh, well... 🤯
The dark,surreal style of animation works perfectly, imo,especially with the overall goth,medieval esthetics of the film. Both feel fresh&creative,while adding to the horror vibe😊
Finally,I like the story. It comes off as a mixture of various myths& tales, from Macbeth's weird sisters( possibly an homage to the Bard himself? 😜😁), king Arthur, theMiddle Earth Valhalla, all the way to the apocalypse itself🖤
I recommend this unique Disney film with all my🖤🔥🤯💣🌞
To me the black cauldron would have been Disney's most ambitious and memorable animated film but it was totally undermined by the needless censorship. The Chronicles of Prydain novels on which the movie is based on are children's books but they are also filled with frightening violent moments, some darker heavier themes, but ultimately an amazing example of high fantasy and a truly magical adventure. Had this movie been released in its original form they would have complimented the books so well because it's wonderfully dark and challenging material for kids. This film in its original form I feel would have mirrored the books in such a splendid way. I believe that the people who originally wrote the script and the screenplay for this movie had a very clear understanding of Lloyd Alexander's vision for his novels and wanted to recreate that same essence in the film. But I guess that's just not Disney. It just makes me sad that instead of conforming to the vision of the novels Disney had to make the novel's conform to their vision of a movie. It's just a shame, they could have captured lightning in a bottle. I hope that before I die I get to see this film in its originally intended, unedited and uncensored, form.
The Horned King "leaves no lasting impact"?
That creepy fuck haunted me for YEARS after seeing the movie for the first time when I was 5 (in '98)!
It's a shame they didn't do a good job with this film as I personally like that sort of dark fantasy and the experimental aspects of it. The Renaissance and since has gone the completely opposite direction, being extremely bright, colorful, happy, safe, etc. Like eating a bowl of the most colorful, highest sugar bowl of cereal every morning while listening to cheesy Broadway music in the background.
Joe the Disney Guy, you are awesome. When will you do a review on The Great Mouse Detective?
I first saw this film a few weeks ago! Loved it!
Nothing can top beauty and the beast, tho!
very nice! i didn't love the black cauldron but i didn't hate it either, and like you said the atmosphere is very well done. makes me wanna play a DnD game lol. just 2 more movies until the disney renaissance!
Almost there!
Actually I don't want to judge The Black Cauldron too harshly ,
Because it shows Disney want to steps out from comfort zone by adapting dark fantasy theme instead just relying on musical romance formula
If Disney could appointing this criminally underrated work as live action adaptation, I will simply applaud Disney for sure rather than playing safe by appointing high profile installment from Renaissance decade
Disney really needs to make another movie like this. It's so good!!
I miss this movie but it did scare me as a child.Yes I too like to know more u had great questions along of my thought of how the Horn king how he became. ok I think if Tim Burton has his 2nd chance but doubt disney will allow it to let him remake it I believe it be a knockout like Coraline
I think this movie is very underrated. I enjoyed it I think it would make a great live action movie.
Your back!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Hey man where have you been, I’ve been missing your videos.
Working! A lot. Like.....a lot
i remember some of it, but not much, was around 9 when it dropped.
I love this film and honestly it had potiential (it still does and I hope it has a live action remake, seeing as Disney has been doing that as of late.) but it got pulled around thanks to problems in production causing it to become not as great as it could have been.
I don't care what anyone thinks, I'm 26 years old and I STILL love the Black Cauldron movie! 😊
Completely agree with all of this. Great visuals but weak story and characters. Hope they remake the film and do it right.
Gonna be honest I loved this movie and still love it no matter how many flaws it has. I personally would like to see Disney try this film again but do it better. I know they probably won't because this is one of those situations where Disney likes to pretend this movie never happened like Song of the South (which I also didn't think was that bad) and Something Wicked This Way Comes (which I also enjoy)
Eilonwy was a character is wished had more to do, I had a slight crush on as a child and she is like a mix of Aurora and Alice!
Thank you Joe!
I will take the black cauldron over most of Disney remakes any day
Secret of NIMH wasn't so much the issue here. Disney made all the effort they could to squash the Secret of NIMH to get revenge on Bluth leaving by releasing Tron and ET at the same time and using their clout to insure NIMH was only released in about 100 theaters. NIMH was still barely profitable but it was really Bluth's next one, An American Tail (which is fantastic by the way), released after Black Cauldron when Disney really started taking Ls in the 80s
Boy, sorry you had to go through with this. As for me, I appreciate what they were trying to do with this and the animation is great, but it doesn’t work. You’re right, they’re just too many issues with the characters and stories. However, you thought you had it bad here, wait until you get to “Home on the Range”. That is THE absolute worst that’ll push you over the edge. But the good news is that things will get better after this, since the next one is not only great, but even comes with that word right in the name of this film.
Oh believe me, I have watched, reviewed and written about Home on the Range in the past, I know all about it.....
Oh, I look forward to hearing about that in the future.
i dont care what people say its not too high up but i actually like it I bought it its different unique but not superb but it still good.
No star power? what about John Hurt
John Riley well John Hurt is British not American but he is an amazing actor
I'll just hope for the remake if this movie tbh.. 🤞
I Can't wait for THE GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE.
Your description brings to mind Avatar. Visually wonderful, but story and characters were lacking.
Joe did you know that the animators from the black cauldron moved on to animate the Alvin and the chipmunks movie The Chipmunk Adventure in 1987 after the box office bomb? In my opinion, even though the animation here is wonderful, They really gave their all with the animation in that movie a little better than they did with the black cauldron.
THE BLACK CAULDRON was the first disney film to be rated PG.
Sadly UA-cam failed to notify me when this was up so my comments are a little late this time.
I have a love/hate relationship with this movie. On the one hand the animation is superb, the world building is intriguing despite vague, and the climax at the end is one of the most outstanding things put to animation. The Horned King's death is the gruesomenest in Disney history which is a plus in my book.
But all the story problems you mentioned just drag the film down, and once you've read the actual books it becomes down right insultingly bad adaptation. Replacing interesting and three dimensional characters with bland cookie cutters, and Princess Eilonwy suffers the worst from this. In the books she's a badass sorceress who kicks all kinds of butt and doesn't give two shits about anything. Hilariously making light of serious situations by failing to worry about the bigger picture and complaining about petty annoyances instead. Had this story been released today feminists would have raked Disney across the coals with book Eilonwy being the first in line to drag them.
However I can't get too angry at The Black Cauldron because I never would have know about , let alone have read, the Prydain Chronicles if it wasn't for the movie. Said book series has gone on to become one my favorites of all time.