It's interesting how popular culture portrays Ancient Egypt as a super-culture, bordering on alien. The real civilization is impressive enough without the hyperbole.
well, half the population has less than average intelligence - and a majority of the rest aren't all that impressive either. The real problem isn't the wild speculation of so called 'experts' and 'theorists', it's what they say, and don't say, about actual science. They also make false claims that 'science can't explain' artifacts and structures, or cite long out dated postulation as a current position, and ignore things like stone hammers scattered about quarries. And people believe the contumely along with the baseless claims of 'evidence' - instead of doing a few google searches of what science actually says about something they seem to be so adamantly interested in.
which council, there were more than one. Now granted the Councils really were attempts to define doctrine of salvation. The problem was everyone was twisting, adding to or removing some of the decree's. (Hence Arianism) So many times the Councils would go over the same material more than once.... I'm Eastern Orthodox so the Councils apply to me. :)
A bit late to the party here but as fellow ancient historian and focused primarily on Rome I'm so extremely glad you included the "Did the Romans get their gods from the Greeks?" section because it's just so incredibly pervasive and I'm constantly having to debunk it every single time I speak about Roman culture and mythology.
Especially when it’s taught in school. I remember studying tables of correspondences between the two pantheons. This video was the first place where I heard it wasn’t true.
The real truth of it is a that both, being Indo-European cultures, got their Gods from the same, but older, culture source from wich they both derived. That is why their gods seem so similar, but have different names.
@@torfinnzempel6123 The Proto-Indo-European (PIE) "orogeny" of deities is uncertain for obvious reasons but linkages do appear to be there: Sky Father, Earth Mother, Dawn Goddess, the Thunderer, the Sun Goddess, The Divine Twins, and the Dragon Serpent.
Most gods seem to be related to the world around us. Water, thunder, sun, moon, etc so its no wonder they are so similar. Also different areas have different mythologies. Not a lot of ice and glaciers etc in the middle east so no polar bears in the bible. And no camels in Norse mythology. Fire breathing dragons? Volcanoes anyone? Etc.
I stumbled upon your channel thanks to the History with Cy . I am more knowledgeable on the Middle ages (from early to late Medieval) , however channels like yours really made me look more into details about the Antiquity. What is even better is that you are like history myth busters, which is an amazing idea. Keep up the good work !
Woaw, I cannot believe that the Roman salute myth has been so inscribed in my subconscious that I have never even bothered to double check it but took it for granted all of this time. Now I can rest assured that the fascists didn't ruin any Roman salute.
It may not have been a Roman custom, but there is a precedent. The statue of Marcus Aurelius on horseback. His right arm casually outstretched isnt as 'stiff' as the fascist/nazi salute, but could be the inspiration for it
@@celsus7979 outstretched open arm is in any generic wave, you can find people literally trying to catch a taxi with a similar salute, or celebrating on Olympics... that said, eagles surprised me, I was sure the local aquila with a wreath is TOTALLY from German occupation time and only swastika was erased in 45, but apparently that building was built before 1941, and it already had the Roman Eagle. Videos on that house absolutely make any russians destroy monitors with spit lol.
What a fun video! Although the information is nothing new for me, I want to thank you for the collaboration. I have been looking for new archeology channels and Raven's seems like a great one to follow.
Greatly refreshing to see actual academics tackling this stuff, in the past I feel the disciplines felt too aloof and this vacuum allowed the armchair speculators too much opportunity to fill in the gaps, I'm off to check out Raven's episode. Thanks for the info guys!
With regards to Museums hiding artifacts, this same professor discussed in the cocaine mummies episode that the museum where the specimens that were tested positive for cocaine are housed would not gran access to scientists wanting to second check the cocaine tests. In that episode he certainly made some arguments that the reasons being given for not providing access to the artifacts/mummies was suspicious or at least illogical. I am not a believer in some “super advanced” ancient civilization or alien explanations for human accomplishments, but I am a believer that corruption and self interest find their way into institutions and influence peoples behaviors, so it seems that based on at least one previous example given on this Chanel, the answer to whether museums hide artifacts was inappropriately dismissive.
Oh the pain! Imagine what we lost, its like deleting all of youtube, but much worse. Scientific theories, maths, history books, (auto)biographies of great people.
Right there with you. When I saw that, I moved my hand towards my chest and grasped my hand in a fist (I said "hand" twice so you wouldn't think what I had grasped was my chest), winced and said out loud, "Ohhhhh, I felt that!"
The inner stones of the GP even have an ancient mortar glopped in between I'll-fitting stones. There is a corner of the structure broken apart and the inside work of the GP is a real mess...
People forget that museums are *research institutions*, not only public venues for people to see artifacts. Most of the objects are there for research and preservation, not for public display.
@@moodist1er Hitler did not create reservations, though. And he also took inspiration from some surprising places, such ads his own backyard, so to speak. 👉"During the First World War, eight to nine million prisoners of war were held in prisoner-of-war camps, some of them at locations which were later the sites of Nazi camps, such as Theresienstadt and Mauthausen. Many prisoners held by Germany died as a result of intentional withholding of food and dangerous working conditions in violation of the 1907 Hague Convention.[6] In countries such as France, Belgium, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, civilians deemed to be of "enemy origin" were denaturalized. Hundreds of thousands were interned and subject to forced labor in harsh conditions.[7] During the Armenian genocide, internment proved deadly to Armenians who were held in temporary camps by the Ottoman Empire prior to their deportation into the Syrian Desert.[8] In the postwar Weimar Republic, the Prussian Ministry of the Interior incarcerated Eastern European Jewish refugees at Cottbus-Sielow and Stargard as "unwanted foreigners".[9][10]"
It wasn't the Nazis though but the Fascists. Also, I'd guess that David's painting had much greater an impact than anyone of the few movies. And of course believing movies would not encapsulate Nazism at all, or the world would be much more Nazi than it used to be in 1941.
One of the coolest thing I had to "unlearn" how the ancient gods were thought of that differs from our modern Judeo-Christian way of thinking of gods. The ancients often believed (or I was told they believed) that gods inhabited the land in which they were worshipped. So the Roman gods held sway in Rome, the Persian in Persian Empire, etc. I think it was Darius the Great whom I first heard about paying homage to the Greek gods while in the Greek lands and I thought that was so interesting.
When the Romans tried to conquer a city, they performed a religous ceremony called Evocatio to convince the deity protecting the city to abandon it and move to Rome. This included a pledge to build a temple in Rome for the deity.
Yes this is true in our shared ancestors seen as Life’s Creators. Our living Nature existing within the land, winds and rain, our Cosmos. However those didn’t worship there. Our shared Ancestors instead they honoured our Creators They never worshiped anything, that’s different.
They also often believed gods inhabited inside specific idols and buildings, that's why idolatry is different from, say, religious imagery in Christianity, nobody in their right mind actually believes Mary is inside her statues - notably there are idiots who claim weeping statues and icons, but they are usually mocked. While actual pagans, considered gods living inside the idols of stone and wood. Hence Babylonian exile was so damned by everyone as Nebuchadnezzar not just took statues from the communities, but THEIR GODS. And Cyrus returned them.
It would be fun if any of those nutty advanced civilisations theories were true, but it's important to have factual responses to those nuts as well. Keep up the good work!
Of course you’d say that. You’re probably one of the elite dogmatic materialist “scientists”. You’ve probably never considering telekinesis being used to lift the stones for the pyramid. Have you even done hard drugs before? How much is Zahi Hawass paying you? I will not forgive this transgression as it’s an affront to the patron saint of internet academia Graham Hancock. I’ve done my own reasearch and spent vast minutes on UA-cam watching interviews with Joe Rogan.
There are more than a few hundreds of other pieces of evidence that make no sense and the idea that anyone who pays attention didn't already know about the trilithon is wrong. Its the first think one learns about ancient civilizations. Feel free to explain , which is not possible IMO, why any human would be so insane as to suggest stones for walls should be bigger than 50 tons. Then can explain what the 1200, 1400, and 1600+ ton stones would have been used for and why. No one has the answers and if say they do are lying to you.
I always thought that the saying "Nero fiddled while Rome burned" just meant he stood around and did nothing, not that he got his string band together and played "Turkey in a Staw".
One last thing. Gerard Butler's abs were real for the movie, "300." "As the 15th anniversary of "300" approaches, Gerard Butler reflected in an exclusive interview with Looper for his new film, "Copshop," on the crushing preparation he undertook to bring some muscle to Leonidas. And while the actor and his "Copshop" co-star, Alexis Louder, joked around that his abs were fake in the film ("Everything on me is fake! This is a fake face," Butler cracked, motioning to his mug), he clarified that he did indeed take to extreme measures to get ripped for the role. ""They were real. I actually could stick my fingers up to there in my abs," Butler told Looper, motioning to his abdominal area. "I was training for months. I mean, by the time I'd finished, I'd been training for nine months, and I was on a six-hour day regime." The training, Butler added, didn't end when production on "300" began. "Even when I was filming, I was pumping before every take and training at lunch and training at night," Butler recalled. "Yeah, I paid the price after, but it wasn't just for the body. It was also for the attitude ... because I kept thinking, 'These guys were willing to die in any moment, so the least I could do would be willing to die in that moment to recreate who they were.'" Read More: www.looper.com/606296/gerard-butler-reveals-how-he-really-got-ripped-to-play-leonidas-in-300-exclusive/?
I literally read someone’s entire thesis explaining the ancient Egyptian helicopter hypothesis yesterday, what a cowinkydink... Great vid, loved the collab, will sub Raven! Also, is sub Reddit up yet?
Enjoyed the explanations. Learned a thing or two for having watched it. Been working my way thru the series this a fourth one. Shared the last three. Very refreshing all of them. Very much appreciating some much needed house cleaning. Moping up from an industry making Mysteries even into places previously none existed. Sweeping up our most gullible led further, further away from ever knowing much of anything. Creating in their wake a damaging Cultural vandalism.
@@stevesanders1905 I was just joking - you can see that there's a compression error in that segment. I'm quite sure there's a cook out there that'd read something into it!
What I’m getting about museums is we need bigger museums and many more of them so more artifacts could be on display and not hidden away in some vault buried in the back rooms.
First clip about the 300 Spartans; the other King Themistocles of Athens defeated the Persian fleet while Leonidas was holding the pass. He never gets mentioned, but was instrumental in the defeat of the second Persian invasion.
@@TorianTammasThe Persians were soundly defeated at Salamis in 480(naval battle) and Platea in 479(land battle). The Athenians led the navy at Salamis and the Spartans led at Platea.
The museum's hiding artifacts thing has always pissed me off . What museum head would sit quietly on a controversial earth shattering artifact knowing the type of funding that could bring to their institution . Just the debates around the controversy alone would fund the institute for 200 years . It makes no logical sense to hide things of that nature . I mean that would literally be like owning a winning horse but only taking your ass to the track ....
@@str.77 We need evidence that you are not hiding an invisible dragon in your home. Unless you can provide it dragons exist in you home. Even I you provide evidence that it does not exist in your home it still can in your neighbours home. Do you notice the problem? We need a proof that it is exists and unless proven it doesn't.
Hi David, i just want to say that my Roman law textbook did mention that Pater familiae apparently greeted each others with a rased hand and an open fist, it ment manus and it represented the fact that they were owners of things like land, fruits of the land and human lives. It is said that the fascist party adopted the greeting and in the same spirit of power over others. Later it was adopted by the nazy party. Maybe it was some myth and i might have misunderstood.
Hi! To my knowledge Manus was the legal power that the Pater familiae held on his wife and her possessions in case of wedding cum Manu, the oldest form of wedding that became less and less common with time - the hand was used ritually during the ceremony to represent the woman going under the "Manus" of the husband (under his control), it wasn't a form of greeting. Later the sine manu became the norm and the woman didn't exit her original gens after the wedding, could hold property, inherit from her father etc
@@giulia885 ty for that information, I might have misses "Manu" being name for a wedding or my professor might have been full of shit but she wrote what I said, as well thr fact that pater familie could sell his family member into slavery if he accumulated dept or for instance take gis wives life is she drank wine in public. The punishment, she wrote, for a male family member who raised hand against P.F. was for the offender to be put in a big bag with a monkey, a rooster, a snake and a cat and tossed into the sea from a cliff. Believe that or not but that was what she wrote☺
@@markokrsmanovic2562 it wasn't exactly the name of a wedding, it represented the absolute power that the father/husband held. The Pater familiae did hold power of life and death over all family components, and he could "sell" his children through mancipatio (symbolically using the hand again -it wasn't exactly slavery cause the child was still free and Roman citizens could not be sold in slavery, the child became liber in causa mancipii -free but subject to the patria potestas of someone else) up to three times (then he lost his patria potestas). The hand was used ritually in other cases beside manicipatio (declaring something to be your property), like some form of "manumissio" (ways to set a slave free) and to emancipate your child, making him sui iure, not subject to your patria potestas (he sold the child three times to a friend, after the third time selling his child the father lost the potestas over them and the friend set the child free through manumissio). So the hand represented the Pater familiae potestas over the extended family he was at the head of (wife, children, slaves, ecc). Killing your father was considered the most heinous crime, and to punish it there was poena cullei (a very old punishment that was briefly abolished and then reinstated still during the empire). The murder, wearing wood sandals and a wolf skin hood, was whipped with "blood coloured" whips, then sewn inside a cullus (sack) with a rooster, an ape, a viper and a dog (not cat, to my knowledge! -the animals were chosen as considered low and capable of unnatural acts of parricide or filicide), and then thrown in the Tiber or the sea after being paraded (in the sack) all over the city.
Great, love it! At the end of the Alexandria chapter, though, I heard "... burst into flames ... save the squirrels..."! Good times. Time to call it a day...
Anytime I get into a conversation with someone who insists on any of the points made here I will direct them to this VERY INFORMATIVE and Excellent Video! The best. I just found you David Miano's Channel and now Raven DaSilva's Channel just subscribe. Awesome, I am so happy 🙂
Watching this one way after after it came out, but another point about the "300": That's just the warrior class (actual enfranchised citizens). Like most armies, they would have had a lot of support, including logistics, assistants, and warfighters of one sort or other from among the Helots and youth.
These collaborations are working for you. I discovered your channel through your collaboration with Atun Shei and History With Cy and now I’m going to check out Dig It With Raven. They aren’t just working for you though. They’re also working for your audiences because they give us more sources of information. Pretty soon I’ll know everything. 🤗
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Any plans to do the same kind of thing again? Great content. FYI You may want to check and even edit captions. I've found some errors while trying to be quiet for others on a Sunday morning. The first and most glaring one made me giggle (softly). Instead of "warehouse of scrolls," it reads, "warehouse of squirrels." I'm not joking. A second one turns "a famous seat of learning" into "a famous SEED of learning." Off to view Raven's video now!
Nalanda, in modern day Bihar, has the best claim to being an early "university" in India. It was the great center of Buddhist, Hindu and Jain learning, starting in the 5th Century CE and continuing so for about 600 years. While initially a Buddhist monastery, it acquired a gigantic library, attracted students and teachers of other religions, and taught grammar, logic, literature, astrology, astronomy, and medicine in addition to religious subjects. It was independently governed, though patronized by the Gupta kings. In a later period, the Hindu king Harsha was its patron. We have several descriptions from Chinese scholars who visited or attended it.
The things with museums is , I’m sure funding is a somewhat large issue in some cases. No pun intended. So the fact they’re hiding some insane stuff is crazy, they’d want to show it off to draw in more attention to create more revenue . My opinion on it at least.
Did the Spartans that participated in the battle of Thermopylae not bring along any helots? I was under the impression, don't remember where from, that the Spartans were rather callous with the lives of their slaves and used them in military campaigns.
Of course, tradition demands that the gods had always been the same and Aeneas of Troy and Dido and Italy and Romulus and Remus and of course, the Illiad hat always been the most important holy tale since before the actual founding of Rome because the Illiad and the Aenaeid are the actual history of Rome until a couple generations before Rome was founded.
About the "Roman salute": There is ONE (1) Roman bas-relief of a parade in which the onlookers reach up their hands to the passing parade in a gesture which could, kinda-sorta, mmmmaybe look like a Nazi salute if you squint, and never saw real people at a parade, and were highly motivated to find proof that the Nazi salute wasn't invented by the Nazis. Neo-Nazis point to it as proof that the "Roman salute" came from ancient Rome. People who aren't neo-Nazis point out that the onlookers' arms and wrists aren't rigid, and everyone is raising their arm at a different angle. They're not saluting. They're reaching out, just like people today do when a cool float passes by. (Or when somebody's throwing candy. The Romans threw coins, didn't they? Roman paradegoers got the better deal.) I wanted to point that out because someone from the alt-right is bound to eventually find this video and use the bas-relief as evidence. Shoo, Adolf. Don't drag the ancient Romans into your mess.
Also take a look at the statue of Marcus Aurelius on horse back. A casually outstretched arm, probably a greating, not quite the fascist/nazi salute but similar.
There were also sorts of hand gestures done by the Romans, and they also had salutes in the military, salutes by gladiators, etc. We just don't know what it looked like. There are many relief depictions of soldiers holding a fist to their chest, or extending their arm. What we can be sure of is that Mussolini or Hitler didn't get it from a Hollywood movie. Saluting was a big thing in Europe at the time (And now is all over the world), and Europeans were all steeped in a classical education. The average European or American in the 19th-early 20th century knew far more about the Romans than the average person today
It is generally within the realm of the supernatural, that many myths begin. Every culture has their own myths. Before the Olympians, , there were the Titans. Before the demigods of Sumer, there were the Annunaki. When cultures connect or advance, assimilation of myths will occur. It is considered that the Library of Alexandria was formed to be the reference of all knowledge and philosophies and also be the considered as one of the reasons for it’s destruction. While competing ideologies are a large factor,there would also what could be seen as the rescuing of demonstrable facts, then dispersed to various locations for safeguarding. With such occurrences, without the prior references, knowledge would decline into a “Dark Age” only to have a Renaissance when the ancient references were no longer hidden. Even the references that had not been hidden such as the works of Heron, these may be a compilation of yet more ancient knowledge. Some of the works if Archimedes may have been the republishing of ancient knowledge. His water screw may have been that he was able to discern the meaning of an ancient Assyrian word for a Date Palm. Without proper reference, there is a greater likelihood for confusion.
If you gave a major museum a grant equal to 1000 times its annual budget, it COULD display ALL of its wares. The museum would need to be centupled in size to accomplish this. Nobody seems to be willing to fork over this much money.
David Miano looking like he's posing for the "With the Beatles" album cover 😉. Love the videos man, gonna visit the Yucatan with a lot more insight and perspective thanks to you! Keep up the good work 👍
Chanakya, also known as Kautilya, the strategist who guided Chandragupta Maurya and assisted in the founding of the Mauryan empire. Chanakya's Arthashastra (The knowledge of Economics) is said to have been composed in Taxila. The Ayurvedic healer Charaka also studied at Taxila. Jīvaka, the court physician of the Magadha emperor Bimbisara who once cured the Buddha, and the Buddhism-supporting ruler of Kosala, Prasenajit, are some important personalities mentioned in Pali texts who studied at Taxila.
It is possible that Chanakya wrote his book at Taxila, and that Charaka studied there, but the story about Jivaka studying there is unlikely to be true based on the information I presented.
When I watch the movie 300, I like to headcanon that this is the version of events related by this one Spartan survivor who was sent back with an eye missing and a serious head injury. It's what he thought happened. I find the film much more enjoyable this way.
Fun fact: Aristodemus, the feller your Spartan survivor is based on, was ostracised for surviving. And so shamed, that, in the battle of Plataea, he charged the Persian lines alone and died.
Very good myth buster episode. I will take slight issue with one of Raven’s assertions regarding Spartans not wanting to leave because of harvest. The religious reason is valid, but Spartans viewed agriculture as literally “beneath them” and only Helots would have done this “base” work, so even though it would have been at that time of year, it would not have prevented actual Spartans from heading the call of defense at the Hot Gates.
Ah, interesting point. The harvest and the festival were kind of rolled up into one. The Spartans would certainly have participated in the Carneia, the harvest festival, even though they would not have done the work of harvesting itself.
On the point of universities, as you rightfully brought up, it is very much up to what definitions do we accept - and since Bologna was what defined what University is, it is naturally the first example. I do like however a slightly wider definition of university as an institution of higher education and research - and I think one contender for a very early example of that would be the Pandididakterion, or, how some would say, the University of Constantinople. Founded in 425AD, it was an institution that had legal presence (set educational curriculum, its education was officially recognized by the state, etc.) that most of the loose philosopher schools of earlier days, like Plato's Academy, lacked. It is an interesting example, operating relatively closely to how we understand universities of today. I also like this example because it debunks the myth of supposed dark ages of ignorance brought to Rome by its adoption of Christianity. Anyway, just my small input but I also wish to say that I really enjoyed the video, and others on this channel. I appreciate the immense work you must put into them, especially in debunking some of the crazier myths and providing actual evidence on the matter!
I suggest that one of you do a video about Carl Sagan's last book "The Demon haunted world." It's an examination of how crack-pot theories and conspiracy theories have such a stronger hold over people's thinking than scientific discoveries.
Great vid! By the way, timestamps for the topics in the description would be useful too! Might encourage viewers to dip in and out, maybe increase views!
Didn't Greek and Roman deities converge a little bit inside the common Roman world? Or did people in Romans in Athens attribute vastly different properties to Zeus than Romans in Rome attributed to Jupiter? Was then Sol Invictus the first kinda unification?
There is a great debunking of Ancient Aliens on VersebyVerseBT's channel. He comes at it from a Christian perspective, but that does not kick in until the end. He does a very precise job of unpicking the lies that the "History" Channel choses to promulgate for dubious reasons, though I do not share his religious leanings. As I previously stated, the biblical aspect does not kick in until fairly late on, but what proceeds it is fairly impressive. Great channel BTW.
Two small questions, at the gates the 4000 heavy infantry fighting must have had supporting elements such as skirmishers, shield bearers, supply personnel. Does anyone have an approximate idea how many of them were at the battle? Second question is about the Roman salute, when I was in the military, I was told the military salute came by lower ranks raising their right hand as a sign to show they didn’t represent a threat to their higher command. Most people were right handed and weapons would have been on the right hand side. Could be older than even Greeks.
As to the oldest university, or center of education, there can be an argument for sites such as Gobekli Tepi. Here the excavations of the “Temples” bear strikingly similar forms in close proximity. Such patterns are most commonly seen on university campuses with respect to classrooms. It is a disservice that when archeologists excavate sites of this nature they seem to consider them as religious. Why should a meeting place always be religious? While sites such as Thebes are considered to be one of many Temples, they do not bear close resemblance to each other. The differences are as striking as the”Gods” to be worshiped. I suggest that any meeting site where there are structures of similar pattern can be centers of education, even if there are types if religious practices held in any of them. Humans, just by the act if meeting together have a nature to compare experiences with others and that is the beginning of a center of learning. There are similarities between henges and theaters, as acoustically it has been shown that from certain points in a henge, the stones reflect and amplify acoustics. The same can apply to Temples snd classrooms, but the main achievement is the passing of information with the. greatest ease to a large body of people. Burial barrows ,Kivas, all have similar properties of acoustic amplification.and therefore can be used for similar function. It then becomes a matter of what influence is then applied. Is it a provable fact that can be demonstrated or a belief? When the influence is one of belief, then the concept of supernatural power through a “God” or person becomes a more important focus in the nature of controlling a population, as opposed to the show and tell of demonstrable facts where different views on the same fact can also be demonstrated. Such is then associated and not immutable. That is the biggest difference between a “ University” and a “ Temple”.
There were all sorts of schools and centers of education in the ancient world, as well as libraries and scriptoriums, but that doesn't make them universities how we define them. The earliest school in the west that we could call a university is the university of Constantinople founded by Theodosius II in the early 5th century.
@@histguy101 while I agree with respect to historical record, it does not mean that during the Neolithic period that there were no centers of learning, only that we have no written evidence from such places. If the site at Gobleki Tepe was a singular edifice such as Stonehenge there could be a ritualistic consideration. Within known religious sites such as Thebes, the temples were not right next door to each other and using the same basic design. Additionally, most religious functions require much larger spaces and so far there is no evidence of it being a domestic site.
Sorry but spartan warriors were unavailable because of the harvest? Did she she mean Spartans had to watch their Helots harvest the crops? because i thought that a spartan citizen did not working his own farm?
Please do a video about Brien Foerster's extensive coverage of elongated skulls. Please discuss if they are real, and whether or not they are evidence of an unknown sub-species of humans.
It depends on whether or not they wrapped the infants heads in cloth wraps. (not joking, there is one culture in South/Latin America that wrapped their infant children's heads in cloth to get a taper, weird crap... but who am i to judge???)
Can we get a vid with both you guys face to face. I'd like to see some serious fighting and perhaps a wrestling match over some ancient conundrum. Would make for a megamatch!!
19:55 - "The most commonly cited example [of earliest university] would be Plato's Academy" -- What about Pythagoras? Didn't he found an academy in 550 - 500 BC ? Also, seems odd to me that Sumerians wouldn't have had some concept of centers of higher learning??
Good info. Still didn't he Greeks & Romans did share some common deity heritage from the (Proto) IndoEuropeans? Zeus & Ju-Piter have been traced back by mainstream historical linguists to a reconstructed PIE roots meaning @~"skyfather." No doubt they added other deities & aspects from other cultures encountered over time. As for equating deities, the Roman writers were known for their translating the Germanic pantheon (as they understood it) to the Roman equivalents.
If the ancient Egyptians had helicopters, I would expect to find, you know, helicopters in Egypt. If they had a religion that involved a "sacred" hieroglypic script and high emphasis on an afterlife, I would expect to find an occasional regconisable pattern on the wall (specially when theyve written over past lines and one part come half off) and lots of tombs with things that were important and of value to the ancient Egyptians. You know, like helicopters, which have all been robbed and Tut didnt have his pilot license yet.
@@dirtysouthclimbing Ive heard it once but it could have been as long as 10 years ago. Anyway I think he has changed his position after confronting me.
New subscriber (from the collab with Atun-Shei/Atlantis vid) here :-) I have to admit, Ancient History isn't really my area of interest (more 19th-20th century for me). And though I was never one to believe in fringe/alternative history *cough* Ancient Aliens *cough* I'm not familiar enough with the subject to know how many fringe ideas seeped into the public discourse, or know the basis of such claims (and why they're not sound).
This channel's an easily digestible remedy to this ignorance, and I've watched little else the past couple days. Last thing I watched that goes as in-depth was the documentary "Ancient Aliens Debunked". Keep up the good work!
I just flew over here from Raven's channel on my ancient Egyptian helicopter. Good stuff. :)
Thanks, Thomas!
I love your content, Thomas.
You and Dr. M should do a ancient biblical archeology video together.
Holy heck, it's Holy Koolaid!!!! I love it!
It's interesting how popular culture portrays Ancient Egypt as a super-culture, bordering on alien. The real civilization is impressive enough without the hyperbole.
That's exactly what they're not educated enough to get!🍃
I often wonder why you need supernatural to describe these things, the world by itself is wonderful.
@@swagatochatterjee7104 That's exactly how I feel about it.
@@ChristmasLore "not educated enough" noice :D
well, half the population has less than average intelligence - and a majority of the rest aren't all that impressive either. The real problem isn't the wild speculation of so called 'experts' and 'theorists', it's what they say, and don't say, about actual science. They also make false claims that 'science can't explain' artifacts and structures, or cite long out dated postulation as a current position, and ignore things like stone hammers scattered about quarries.
And people believe the contumely along with the baseless claims of 'evidence' - instead of doing a few google searches of what science actually says about something they seem to be so adamantly interested in.
Started as a Hancock fan, but eventually led to a massive Miano fan. ❤
Thanks so much!
Tony Hancock was funny! So was Sid James.
Thanks so much for a great collab, and teaching me about the Council of Nicaea!
Any time!
@@WorldofAntiquity you still have yet to contact Ben, David? it's an easy thing to do!
which council, there were more than one.
Now granted the Councils really were attempts to define doctrine of salvation. The problem was everyone was twisting, adding to or removing some of the decree's. (Hence Arianism) So many times the Councils would go over the same material more than once.... I'm Eastern Orthodox so the Councils apply to me. :)
A bit late to the party here but as fellow ancient historian and focused primarily on Rome I'm so extremely glad you included the "Did the Romans get their gods from the Greeks?" section because it's just so incredibly pervasive and I'm constantly having to debunk it every single time I speak about Roman culture and mythology.
Especially when it’s taught in school. I remember studying tables of correspondences between the two pantheons. This video was the first place where I heard it wasn’t true.
The real truth of it is a that both, being Indo-European cultures, got their Gods from the same, but older, culture source from wich they both derived. That is why their gods seem so similar, but have different names.
@@torfinnzempel6123 The Proto-Indo-European (PIE) "orogeny" of deities is uncertain for obvious reasons but linkages do appear to be there: Sky Father, Earth Mother, Dawn Goddess, the Thunderer, the Sun Goddess, The Divine Twins, and the Dragon Serpent.
@@torfinnzempel6123 Why do not then all decendants of the Indo European culture have the same gods? Well?
Most gods seem to be related to the world around us. Water, thunder, sun, moon, etc so its no wonder they are so similar. Also different areas have different mythologies. Not a lot of ice and glaciers etc in the middle east so no polar bears in the bible. And no camels in Norse mythology. Fire breathing dragons? Volcanoes anyone? Etc.
Thank you both for these minutes of sanity.
I stumbled upon your channel thanks to the History with Cy . I am more knowledgeable on the Middle ages (from early to late Medieval) , however channels like yours really made me look more into details about the Antiquity. What is even better is that you are like history myth busters, which is an amazing idea. Keep up the good work !
So glad you came by. Thanks for watching!
Woaw, I cannot believe that the Roman salute myth has been so inscribed in my subconscious that I have never even bothered to double check it but took it for granted all of this time. Now I can rest assured that the fascists didn't ruin any Roman salute.
Google Francis Bellamy and the Bellamy Salute
It may not have been a Roman custom, but there is a precedent.
The statue of Marcus Aurelius on horseback.
His right arm casually outstretched isnt as 'stiff' as the fascist/nazi salute, but could be the inspiration for it
They've done enough harm to graphic design and facial hair.
Who'd have thought Neo-N*z1s would be liars?!
/s
@@celsus7979 outstretched open arm is in any generic wave, you can find people literally trying to catch a taxi with a similar salute, or celebrating on Olympics... that said, eagles surprised me, I was sure the local aquila with a wreath is TOTALLY from German occupation time and only swastika was erased in 45, but apparently that building was built before 1941, and it already had the Roman Eagle. Videos on that house absolutely make any russians destroy monitors with spit lol.
What a fun video! Although the information is nothing new for me, I want to thank you for the collaboration. I have been looking for new archeology channels and Raven's seems like a great one to follow.
Greatly refreshing to see actual academics tackling this stuff, in the past I feel the disciplines felt too aloof and this vacuum allowed the armchair speculators too much opportunity to fill in the gaps, I'm off to check out Raven's episode. Thanks for the info guys!
Thank you for the video, I learned a lot! :) I'm already looking forward to part 2!
Glad it was helpful!
With regards to Museums hiding artifacts, this same professor discussed in the cocaine mummies episode that the museum where the specimens that were tested positive for cocaine are housed would not gran access to scientists wanting to second check the cocaine tests. In that episode he certainly made some arguments that the reasons being given for not providing access to the artifacts/mummies was suspicious or at least illogical. I am not a believer in some “super advanced” ancient civilization or alien explanations for human accomplishments, but I am a believer that corruption and self interest find their way into institutions and influence peoples behaviors, so it seems that based on at least one previous example given on this Chanel, the answer to whether museums hide artifacts was inappropriately dismissive.
"I'm still not over the Library of Alexandria being destroyed"- Raven
LOL, I feel that!!!! 💙
Sad event for mankind.
Oh the pain!
Imagine what we lost, its like deleting all of youtube, but much worse.
Scientific theories, maths, history books, (auto)biographies of great people.
It's too soon to joke about it. So much lost knowledge....
I'm not over the colonization/invasion of the Americas. Catholicism destroyed inconceivable amounts of knowledge, only to elevate themselves.
Right there with you. When I saw that, I moved my hand towards my chest and grasped my hand in a fist (I said "hand" twice so you wouldn't think what I had grasped was my chest), winced and said out loud, "Ohhhhh, I felt that!"
The inner stones of the GP even have an ancient mortar glopped in between I'll-fitting stones.
There is a corner of the structure broken apart and the inside work of the GP is a real mess...
I've seen a documentary where guy inserts a camera into one of the gaps and reads the builder gang's graffiti.
People forget that museums are *research institutions*, not only public venues for people to see artifacts.
Most of the objects are there for research and preservation, not for public display.
Such a great video! I really enjoy this type of stuff.
Awesome, thank you!
I love your enthusiasm, you both are an inspiration to human curiousness about our fascinating history.
I love this channel, criminally underviewed!
I really really like these Collabs! I really hope you guys make more! Its such a Good Mix!
So library of Alexandria is defunded out of existence.
So many budget cuts
Exactly like your local library, probably.
The nazis mistaking movies for reality is honestly such a perfect encapsulation of nazism.
@@moodist1er In 1915, prior to WWI
@@moodist1er Hitler did not create reservations, though. And he also took inspiration from some surprising places, such ads his own backyard, so to speak. 👉"During the First World War, eight to nine million prisoners of war were held in prisoner-of-war camps, some of them at locations which were later the sites of Nazi camps, such as Theresienstadt and Mauthausen. Many prisoners held by Germany died as a result of intentional withholding of food and dangerous working conditions in violation of the 1907 Hague Convention.[6] In countries such as France, Belgium, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, civilians deemed to be of "enemy origin" were denaturalized. Hundreds of thousands were interned and subject to forced labor in harsh conditions.[7] During the Armenian genocide, internment proved deadly to Armenians who were held in temporary camps by the Ottoman Empire prior to their deportation into the Syrian Desert.[8] In the postwar Weimar Republic, the Prussian Ministry of the Interior incarcerated Eastern European Jewish refugees at Cottbus-Sielow and Stargard as "unwanted foreigners".[9][10]"
It wasn't the Nazis though but the Fascists. Also, I'd guess that David's painting had much greater an impact than anyone of the few movies.
And of course believing movies would not encapsulate Nazism at all, or the world would be much more Nazi than it used to be in 1941.
@@rosemcguinn5301 False equivalence.
@Janitor Queen Maybe it's a contributing factor but that's not what Zeno ssid above.
You can never convince me that the Romans didn't salute that way. It's right there in all those Asterix books.
One of the coolest thing I had to "unlearn" how the ancient gods were thought of that differs from our modern Judeo-Christian way of thinking of gods. The ancients often believed (or I was told they believed) that gods inhabited the land in which they were worshipped. So the Roman gods held sway in Rome, the Persian in Persian Empire, etc. I think it was Darius the Great whom I first heard about paying homage to the Greek gods while in the Greek lands and I thought that was so interesting.
Actually, you can find the "territorial" nature of gentile gods right there in the Bible even in regard to the LORD.
When the Romans tried to conquer a city, they performed a religous ceremony called Evocatio to convince the deity protecting the city to abandon it and move to Rome. This included a pledge to build a temple in Rome for the deity.
Yes this is true in our shared ancestors seen as Life’s Creators.
Our living Nature existing within the land, winds and rain, our Cosmos.
However those didn’t worship there.
Our shared Ancestors instead they honoured our Creators
They never worshiped anything, that’s different.
They also often believed gods inhabited inside specific idols and buildings, that's why idolatry is different from, say, religious imagery in Christianity, nobody in their right mind actually believes Mary is inside her statues - notably there are idiots who claim weeping statues and icons, but they are usually mocked. While actual pagans, considered gods living inside the idols of stone and wood. Hence Babylonian exile was so damned by everyone as Nebuchadnezzar not just took statues from the communities, but THEIR GODS. And Cyrus returned them.
This was a fun one! Enjoyed it very much ❤
Ancient alien theorists say, "no".
How can they argue with the Blue Box?
It would be fun if any of those nutty advanced civilisations theories were true, but it's important to have factual responses to those nuts as well. Keep up the good work!
Of course you’d say that. You’re probably one of the elite dogmatic materialist “scientists”. You’ve probably never considering telekinesis being used to lift the stones for the pyramid. Have you even done hard drugs before? How much is Zahi Hawass paying you? I will not forgive this transgression as it’s an affront to the patron saint of internet academia Graham Hancock. I’ve done my own reasearch and spent vast minutes on UA-cam watching interviews with Joe Rogan.
There are more than a few hundreds of other pieces of evidence that make no sense and the idea that anyone who pays attention didn't already know about the trilithon is wrong. Its the first think one learns about ancient civilizations. Feel free to explain , which is not possible IMO, why any human would be so insane as to suggest stones for walls should be bigger than 50 tons. Then can explain what the 1200, 1400, and 1600+ ton stones would have been used for and why. No one has the answers and if say they do are lying to you.
I always thought that the saying "Nero fiddled while Rome burned" just meant he stood around and did nothing, not that he got his string band together and played "Turkey in a Staw".
Invoking Occam's razor will not deter the "it's aliens" crowd. They see that as the simplest answer to any difficult question.
Why people stopped viewing alien claimers as complete cooks?
Glad this got to my homepage. Really great, fun episode
One last thing. Gerard Butler's abs were real for the movie, "300."
"As the 15th anniversary of "300" approaches, Gerard Butler reflected in an exclusive interview with Looper for his new film, "Copshop," on the crushing preparation he undertook to bring some muscle to Leonidas. And while the actor and his "Copshop" co-star, Alexis Louder, joked around that his abs were fake in the film ("Everything on me is fake! This is a fake face," Butler cracked, motioning to his mug), he clarified that he did indeed take to extreme measures to get ripped for the role.
""They were real. I actually could stick my fingers up to there in my abs," Butler told Looper, motioning to his abdominal area. "I was training for months. I mean, by the time I'd finished, I'd been training for nine months, and I was on a six-hour day regime."
The training, Butler added, didn't end when production on "300" began. "Even when I was filming, I was pumping before every take and training at lunch and training at night," Butler recalled. "Yeah, I paid the price after, but it wasn't just for the body. It was also for the attitude ... because I kept thinking, 'These guys were willing to die in any moment, so the least I could do would be willing to die in that moment to recreate who they were.'"
Read More: www.looper.com/606296/gerard-butler-reveals-how-he-really-got-ripped-to-play-leonidas-in-300-exclusive/?
I literally read someone’s entire thesis explaining the ancient Egyptian helicopter hypothesis yesterday, what a cowinkydink... Great vid, loved the collab, will sub Raven! Also, is sub Reddit up yet?
Ha not yet.
Deserves more views.
nice video, i enjoyed it, thank you for creating it
Enjoyed the explanations.
Learned a thing or two for having watched it.
Been working my way thru the series this a fourth one.
Shared the last three.
Very refreshing all of them.
Very much appreciating some much needed house cleaning.
Moping up from an industry making Mysteries even into places previously none existed.
Sweeping up our most gullible led further, further away from ever knowing much of anything.
Creating in their wake a damaging Cultural vandalism.
The laugh from Raven when discussing the ancient Egyptian helicopter is priceless. I give the same reaction about it most times it comes up.
But you can clearly see how the video has been doctored by our alien overlords - these two schmucks won't fool me!
@@Norralin alien overlords ? lol what ?
@@stevesanders1905 I was just joking - you can see that there's a compression error in that segment. I'm quite sure there's a cook out there that'd read something into it!
What I’m getting about museums is we need bigger museums and many more of them so more artifacts could be on display and not hidden away in some vault buried in the back rooms.
this chanel is real gold
I absolutely love her reaction after reading the card saying: the ancient Egyptians knew about helicopter's.....
😂
Good episode 😁 going over to Raven's channel now 🤗 thank you!!
First clip about the 300 Spartans; the other King Themistocles of Athens defeated the Persian fleet while Leonidas was holding the pass. He never gets mentioned, but was instrumental in the defeat of the second Persian invasion.
It was not really a defeat as they sacked Athens and conquered a lot of Greek cities. Not to mention that some Greeks supported the invasion.
Well, they made a whole movie about Thermistocles right after 300. It was the sequel
@@TorianTammasThe Persians were soundly defeated at Salamis in 480(naval battle) and Platea in 479(land battle). The Athenians led the navy at Salamis and the Spartans led at Platea.
The museum's hiding artifacts thing has always pissed me off . What museum head would sit quietly on a controversial earth shattering artifact knowing the type of funding that could bring to their institution . Just the debates around the controversy alone would fund the institute for 200 years . It makes no logical sense to hide things of that nature . I mean that would literally be like owning a winning horse but only taking your ass to the track ....
However, that is the myth that can actually be true in this or that case. We'd need evidence for that, however.
@@str.77 We need evidence that you are not hiding an invisible dragon in your home. Unless you can provide it dragons exist in you home. Even I you provide evidence that it does not exist in your home it still can in your neighbours home. Do you notice the problem? We need a proof that it is exists and unless proven it doesn't.
@@TorianTammas No, you don't need that as nobody claims that. Silly analogies make for bad philosophy.
Hi David, i just want to say that my Roman law textbook did mention that Pater familiae apparently greeted each others with a rased hand and an open fist, it ment manus and it represented the fact that they were owners of things like land, fruits of the land and human lives. It is said that the fascist party adopted the greeting and in the same spirit of power over others. Later it was adopted by the nazy party. Maybe it was some myth and i might have misunderstood.
Hi! To my knowledge Manus was the legal power that the Pater familiae held on his wife and her possessions in case of wedding cum Manu, the oldest form of wedding that became less and less common with time - the hand was used ritually during the ceremony to represent the woman going under the "Manus" of the husband (under his control), it wasn't a form of greeting. Later the sine manu became the norm and the woman didn't exit her original gens after the wedding, could hold property, inherit from her father etc
@@giulia885 ty for that information, I might have misses "Manu" being name for a wedding or my professor might have been full of shit but she wrote what I said, as well thr fact that pater familie could sell his family member into slavery if he accumulated dept or for instance take gis wives life is she drank wine in public. The punishment, she wrote, for a male family member who raised hand against P.F. was for the offender to be put in a big bag with a monkey, a rooster, a snake and a cat and tossed into the sea from a cliff. Believe that or not but that was what she wrote☺
@@markokrsmanovic2562 it wasn't exactly the name of a wedding, it represented the absolute power that the father/husband held. The Pater familiae did hold power of life and death over all family components, and he could "sell" his children through mancipatio (symbolically using the hand again -it wasn't exactly slavery cause the child was still free and Roman citizens could not be sold in slavery, the child became liber in causa mancipii -free but subject to the patria potestas of someone else) up to three times (then he lost his patria potestas).
The hand was used ritually in other cases beside manicipatio (declaring something to be your property), like some form of "manumissio" (ways to set a slave free) and to emancipate your child, making him sui iure, not subject to your patria potestas (he sold the child three times to a friend, after the third time selling his child the father lost the potestas over them and the friend set the child free through manumissio). So the hand represented the Pater familiae potestas over the extended family he was at the head of (wife, children, slaves, ecc).
Killing your father was considered the most heinous crime, and to punish it there was poena cullei (a very old punishment that was briefly abolished and then reinstated still during the empire). The murder, wearing wood sandals and a wolf skin hood, was whipped with "blood coloured" whips, then sewn inside a cullus (sack) with a rooster, an ape, a viper and a dog (not cat, to my knowledge! -the animals were chosen as considered low and capable of unnatural acts of parricide or filicide), and then thrown in the Tiber or the sea after being paraded (in the sack) all over the city.
Great, love it! At the end of the Alexandria chapter, though, I heard "... burst into flames ... save the squirrels..."! Good times. Time to call it a day...
14:00 But Ancient Aliens said that there was no combination of hieroglyphs that could create those shapes. Are you saying that program is lying?!?!
oh no they dont lie. :DD
Oh you have met in person aliens 19:41 ???
just subbed as i found this really fun and informative
Awesome, thank you!
300 ... the legend of helms deep
Anytime I get into a conversation with someone who insists on any of the points made here I will direct them to this VERY INFORMATIVE and Excellent Video! The best. I just found you David Miano's Channel and now Raven DaSilva's Channel just subscribe. Awesome, I am so happy 🙂
I'm really excited about this video
thanks David and Raven, good stuff.
I can't help but imagine a group of Egyptian Helicopters flying in formation down the Nile checking the harvest like some old war film! :)
The horror, the horror.
They were spraying pesticides obviously. Havent you read the bible? Locusts everywhere!
you guys are making me wanna start up civilization iv again lol
Watching this one way after after it came out, but another point about the "300": That's just the warrior class (actual enfranchised citizens). Like most armies, they would have had a lot of support, including logistics, assistants, and warfighters of one sort or other from among the Helots and youth.
Came over from Raven's channel and I'm impressed. 👍😁
Thanks for coming, Theresia. Welcome!
These collaborations are working for you. I discovered your channel through your collaboration with Atun Shei and History With Cy and now I’m going to check out Dig It With Raven.
They aren’t just working for you though. They’re also working for your audiences because they give us more sources of information. Pretty soon I’ll know everything. 🤗
I'm happy to hear that!
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Any plans to do the same kind of thing again? Great content.
FYI You may want to check and even edit captions. I've found some errors while trying to be quiet for others on a Sunday morning. The first and most glaring one made me giggle (softly). Instead of "warehouse of scrolls," it reads, "warehouse of squirrels." I'm not joking. A second one turns "a famous seat of learning" into "a famous SEED of learning."
Off to view Raven's video now!
Ah, thanks for letting me know. I recently hired my niece to do captioning for me!
This is such a good video!
Thanks!
This video was such a good idea. I very much enjoyed learning :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
and those "hidden" artifacts do get switched around occasionally, leading to new exhibits!
Go Pro! Great Mythbusts everyone will be Raven about!
So glade I found your channel. 👍👍👍
Welcome!
Nalanda, in modern day Bihar, has the best claim to being an early "university" in India. It was the great center of Buddhist, Hindu and Jain learning, starting in the 5th Century CE and continuing so for about 600 years. While initially a Buddhist monastery, it acquired a gigantic library, attracted students and teachers of other religions, and taught grammar, logic, literature, astrology, astronomy, and medicine in addition to religious subjects. It was independently governed, though patronized by the Gupta kings. In a later period, the Hindu king Harsha was its patron. We have several descriptions from Chinese scholars who visited or attended it.
Interesting, thanks. 😃
Would love to hear your take on Joseph Atwill's theories on Roman Christianity.
Oh, sure, and I suppose that vehicle beside the helicopter isn't a landspeeder?
😄
The things with museums is ,
I’m sure funding is a somewhat large issue in some cases. No pun intended.
So the fact they’re hiding some insane stuff is crazy, they’d want to show it off to draw in more attention to create more revenue .
My opinion on it at least.
Good video, thanks for showing us Ravens channel, heading over there now.
Did the Spartans that participated in the battle of Thermopylae not bring along any helots? I was under the impression, don't remember where from, that the Spartans were rather callous with the lives of their slaves and used them in military campaigns.
I'm sure they did, but Helots don't count ... they're not even people. 😓
Of course, tradition demands that the gods had always been the same and Aeneas of Troy and Dido and Italy and Romulus and Remus and of course, the Illiad hat always been the most important holy tale since before the actual founding of Rome because the Illiad and the Aenaeid are the actual history of Rome until a couple generations before Rome was founded.
About the "Roman salute": There is ONE (1) Roman bas-relief of a parade in which the onlookers reach up their hands to the passing parade in a gesture which could, kinda-sorta, mmmmaybe look like a Nazi salute if you squint, and never saw real people at a parade, and were highly motivated to find proof that the Nazi salute wasn't invented by the Nazis. Neo-Nazis point to it as proof that the "Roman salute" came from ancient Rome.
People who aren't neo-Nazis point out that the onlookers' arms and wrists aren't rigid, and everyone is raising their arm at a different angle. They're not saluting. They're reaching out, just like people today do when a cool float passes by. (Or when somebody's throwing candy. The Romans threw coins, didn't they? Roman paradegoers got the better deal.)
I wanted to point that out because someone from the alt-right is bound to eventually find this video and use the bas-relief as evidence. Shoo, Adolf. Don't drag the ancient Romans into your mess.
Also take a look at the statue of Marcus Aurelius on horse back.
A casually outstretched arm, probably a greating, not quite the fascist/nazi salute but similar.
There were also sorts of hand gestures done by the Romans, and they also had salutes in the military, salutes by gladiators, etc. We just don't know what it looked like.
There are many relief depictions of soldiers holding a fist to their chest, or extending their arm. What we can be sure of is that Mussolini or Hitler didn't get it from a Hollywood movie. Saluting was a big thing in Europe at the time (And now is all over the world), and Europeans were all steeped in a classical education. The average European or American in the 19th-early 20th century knew far more about the Romans than the average person today
It is generally within the realm of the supernatural, that many myths begin. Every culture has their own myths. Before the Olympians, , there were the Titans. Before the demigods of Sumer, there were the Annunaki. When cultures connect or advance, assimilation of myths will occur.
It is considered that the Library of Alexandria was formed to be the reference of all knowledge and philosophies and also be the considered as one of the reasons for it’s destruction. While competing ideologies are a large factor,there would also what could be seen as the rescuing of demonstrable facts, then dispersed to various locations for safeguarding. With such occurrences, without the prior references, knowledge would decline into a “Dark Age” only to have a Renaissance when the ancient references were no longer hidden. Even the references that had not been hidden such as the works of Heron, these may be a compilation of yet more ancient knowledge. Some of the works if Archimedes may have been the republishing of ancient knowledge. His water screw may have been that he was able to discern the meaning of an ancient Assyrian word for a Date Palm. Without proper reference, there is a greater likelihood for confusion.
11:12 In Spain we have the image that he played the lyre and song while Rome burnt.
If you gave a major museum a grant equal to 1000 times its annual budget, it COULD display ALL of its wares. The museum would need to be centupled in size to accomplish this. Nobody seems to be willing to fork over this much money.
Please address the Phaisos controversy! Thank you.
What controversy?
Interesting video :)
Thanks! 🙂
David Miano looking like he's posing for the "With the Beatles" album cover 😉.
Love the videos man, gonna visit the Yucatan with a lot more insight and perspective thanks to you! Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks, Roberto!
Very nice video.
Thank you very much!
Chanakya, also known as Kautilya, the strategist who guided Chandragupta Maurya and assisted in the founding of the Mauryan empire. Chanakya's Arthashastra (The knowledge of Economics) is said to have been composed in Taxila.
The Ayurvedic healer Charaka also studied at Taxila.
Jīvaka, the court physician of the Magadha emperor Bimbisara who once cured the Buddha, and the Buddhism-supporting ruler of Kosala, Prasenajit, are some important personalities mentioned in Pali texts who studied at Taxila.
It is possible that Chanakya wrote his book at Taxila, and that Charaka studied there, but the story about Jivaka studying there is unlikely to be true based on the information I presented.
Nice one, next time do a back and forth among you two, some interaction would be great!
The Library of Alexandria slowly disappeared as time travellers "rescued" material from it.
When I watch the movie 300, I like to headcanon that this is the version of events related by this one Spartan survivor who was sent back with an eye missing and a serious head injury. It's what he thought happened. I find the film much more enjoyable this way.
Fun fact: Aristodemus, the feller your Spartan survivor is based on, was ostracised for surviving. And so shamed, that, in the battle of Plataea, he charged the Persian lines alone and died.
What do you think of David Rohl's revised chronology for Ancient Egyptian history?
Very good myth buster episode. I will take slight issue with one of Raven’s assertions regarding Spartans not wanting to leave because of harvest. The religious reason is valid, but Spartans viewed agriculture as literally “beneath them” and only Helots would have done this “base” work, so even though it would have been at that time of year, it would not have prevented actual Spartans from heading the call of defense at the Hot Gates.
Ah, interesting point. The harvest and the festival were kind of rolled up into one. The Spartans would certainly have participated in the Carneia, the harvest festival, even though they would not have done the work of harvesting itself.
Gonna go check out Ravens channel now. Thanks !
On the point of universities, as you rightfully brought up, it is very much up to what definitions do we accept - and since Bologna was what defined what University is, it is naturally the first example. I do like however a slightly wider definition of university as an institution of higher education and research - and I think one contender for a very early example of that would be the Pandididakterion, or, how some would say, the University of Constantinople. Founded in 425AD, it was an institution that had legal presence (set educational curriculum, its education was officially recognized by the state, etc.) that most of the loose philosopher schools of earlier days, like Plato's Academy, lacked. It is an interesting example, operating relatively closely to how we understand universities of today. I also like this example because it debunks the myth of supposed dark ages of ignorance brought to Rome by its adoption of Christianity.
Anyway, just my small input but I also wish to say that I really enjoyed the video, and others on this channel. I appreciate the immense work you must put into them, especially in debunking some of the crazier myths and providing actual evidence on the matter!
Loved the video, but where is Ockham's Razor when I need a shave? 😁
I suggest that one of you do a video about Carl Sagan's last book "The Demon haunted world." It's an examination of how crack-pot theories and conspiracy theories have such a stronger hold over people's thinking than scientific discoveries.
Great vid! By the way, timestamps for the topics in the description would be useful too! Might encourage viewers to dip in and out, maybe increase views!
Done!
@@WorldofAntiquity Legend! Although it was a pleasure to watch the whole thing.
Didn't Greek and Roman deities converge a little bit inside the common Roman world? Or did people in Romans in Athens attribute vastly different properties to Zeus than Romans in Rome attributed to Jupiter? Was then Sol Invictus the first kinda unification?
Sol is Helios, god of the sun, or the personification of the sun. Invictus is just one of several epithets given to Sol/Helios
@histguy101 thanks! 😎
There is a great debunking of Ancient Aliens on VersebyVerseBT's channel. He comes at it from a Christian perspective, but that does not kick in until the end. He does a very precise job of unpicking the lies that the "History" Channel choses to promulgate for dubious reasons, though I do not share his religious leanings. As I previously stated, the biblical aspect does not kick in until fairly late on, but what proceeds it is fairly impressive.
Great channel BTW.
As for Nero fiddling during the great fire, we French say he was playing the lyre....
Two small questions, at the gates the 4000 heavy infantry fighting must have had supporting elements such as skirmishers, shield bearers, supply personnel. Does anyone have an approximate idea how many of them were at the battle? Second question is about the Roman salute, when I was in the military, I was told the military salute came by lower ranks raising their right hand as a sign to show they didn’t represent a threat to their higher command. Most people were right handed and weapons would have been on the right hand side. Could be older than even Greeks.
As to the oldest university, or center of education, there can be an argument for sites such as Gobekli Tepi. Here the excavations of the “Temples” bear strikingly similar forms in close proximity. Such patterns are most commonly seen on university campuses with respect to classrooms. It is a disservice that when archeologists excavate sites of this nature they seem to consider them as religious. Why should a meeting place always be religious? While sites such as Thebes are considered to be one of many Temples, they do not bear close resemblance to each other. The differences are as striking as the”Gods” to be worshiped.
I suggest that any meeting site where there are structures of similar pattern can be centers of education, even if there are types if religious practices held in any of them. Humans, just by the act if meeting together have a nature to compare experiences with others and that is the beginning of a center of learning.
There are similarities between henges and theaters, as acoustically it has been shown that from certain points in a henge, the stones reflect and amplify acoustics. The same can apply to Temples snd classrooms, but the main achievement is the passing of information with the. greatest ease to a large body of people. Burial barrows ,Kivas, all have similar properties of acoustic amplification.and therefore can be used for similar function. It then becomes a matter of what influence is then applied. Is it a provable fact that can be demonstrated or a belief?
When the influence is one of belief, then the concept of supernatural power through a “God” or person becomes a more important focus in the nature of controlling a population, as opposed to the show and tell of demonstrable facts where different views on the same fact can also be demonstrated. Such is then associated and not immutable. That is the biggest difference between a “ University” and a “ Temple”.
There were all sorts of schools and centers of education in the ancient world, as well as libraries and scriptoriums, but that doesn't make them universities how we define them. The earliest school in the west that we could call a university is the university of Constantinople founded by Theodosius II in the early 5th century.
@@histguy101 while I agree with respect to historical record, it does not mean that during the Neolithic period that there were no centers of learning, only that we have no written evidence from such places. If the site at Gobleki Tepe was a singular edifice such as Stonehenge there could be a ritualistic consideration.
Within known religious sites such as Thebes, the temples were not right next door to each other and using the same basic design. Additionally, most religious functions require much larger spaces and so far there is no evidence of it being a domestic site.
Sorry but spartan warriors were unavailable because of the harvest?
Did she she mean Spartans had to watch their Helots harvest the crops? because i thought that a spartan citizen did not working his own farm?
Awesome video. I'll go peep Ravens channel as well now
Please do a video about Brien Foerster's extensive coverage of elongated skulls. Please discuss if they are real, and whether or not they are evidence of an unknown sub-species of humans.
I'm never sure whether Brien is a grifter or an idiot. I suspect the former.
They are real. The skull sutures are different.
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@@dirtysouthclimbing If his claims were true, anthropologists and biologists would be climbing over one another for a chance to study the skulls.
It depends on whether or not they wrapped the infants heads in cloth wraps. (not joking, there is one culture in South/Latin America that wrapped their infant children's heads in cloth to get a taper, weird crap... but who am i to judge???)
Can we get a vid with both you guys face to face. I'd like to see some serious fighting and perhaps a wrestling match over some ancient conundrum. Would make for a megamatch!!
Maybe when the pandemic is over.
19:55 - "The most commonly cited example [of earliest university] would be Plato's Academy"
-- What about Pythagoras? Didn't he found an academy in 550 - 500 BC ?
Also, seems odd to me that Sumerians wouldn't have had some concept of centers of higher learning??
The legend about Pythagoras founding a school hasn't been verified. There is no mention of any centers of higher learning in Sumerian documents.
Good info.
Still didn't he Greeks & Romans did share some common deity heritage from the (Proto) IndoEuropeans? Zeus & Ju-Piter have been traced back by mainstream historical linguists to a reconstructed PIE roots meaning @~"skyfather." No doubt they added other deities & aspects from other cultures encountered over time.
As for equating deities, the Roman writers were known for their translating the Germanic pantheon (as they understood it) to the Roman equivalents.
Ah yes, I suppose one could make the argument that some gods go back that far.
If the ancient Egyptians had helicopters, I would expect to find, you know, helicopters in Egypt. If they had a religion that involved a "sacred" hieroglypic script and high emphasis on an afterlife, I would expect to find an occasional regconisable pattern on the wall (specially when theyve written over past lines and one part come half off) and lots of tombs with things that were important and of value to the ancient Egyptians. You know, like helicopters, which have all been robbed and Tut didnt have his pilot license yet.
I’ve been an “alternative theorist” for 30 years. I’ve never heard anyone say the Egyptians had helicopters. Only fringe morons may say this.
@@dirtysouthclimbing Ive heard it once but it could have been as long as 10 years ago. Anyway I think he has changed his position after confronting me.
It’s always sad to hear of a young life cut off before the person could get their helicopter pilot license.
@5:20 every fan of history ever
New subscriber (from the collab with Atun-Shei/Atlantis vid) here :-)
I have to admit, Ancient History isn't really my area of interest (more 19th-20th century for me). And though I was never one to believe in fringe/alternative history *cough* Ancient Aliens *cough* I'm not familiar enough with the subject to know how many fringe ideas seeped into the public discourse, or know the basis of such claims (and why they're not sound).
This channel's an easily digestible remedy to this ignorance, and I've watched little else the past couple days. Last thing I watched that goes as in-depth was the documentary "Ancient Aliens Debunked". Keep up the good work!
Thank you, and welcome to the channel!
@@WorldofAntiquity : Thank you, just supported on Patreon as well. Looking forward to more vids :-)
@@diegoalmirante986 Many thanks!
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