The comic was edginess for edginess. The show takes itself more serious. In the comic, Starlight's sexual abuse was just to show how evil the seven were. In the show, they explore it further.
Charly III I guess it’s all subjective but a lot of the British writers that wrote for DC and Marvel back in the day either started a trend of edginess that was originally tasteful but led to edge lord nonsense (Alan Moore with Watchmen and MiracleMan) or they immediately came out the gate with just the most off the wall stuff. Garth Ennis wrote this cannibal comicbook awhile back that really makes no sense to me
@@gabrielidusogie9189 I know exactly what you mean man I know this is late but a lot of comics get more and more edgy without building the concepts in any meaningful manner and would have probably given up on marvel and dcs newer comics if it wasn’t for the immortal hulk and mister miracle
Back when the comic first came out I was reading a friend's copy. I remarked that Huey looked exactly like Simon Pegg. I was told they deliberately modeled the character on Pegg after watching Spaced and hoped he would eventually play Huey in a TV adaptation. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that he's ended up playing the dad all these years later.
I especially liked how Translucent turned into a coward and started begging for his life the instant it became clear that the boys figured out how to kill him. It actually makes a lot of sense that people who grew up with super powers and therefore never experienced true danger, even in the mundane ways that regular people experience it (like driving, walking in the woods etc.), would actually be more cowardly than regular people when they actually were in real danger, because they would just be totally unaccustomed to it; and I hope that is something that the show explores more later on. It's kind of silly when you think about how heroes like superman are always depicted as fearlessly confronting these villains that pose existential threats to humanity and the heroes themselves, in spite of the fact that, for example, superman grew up on Earth where he was effectively sheltered by his own invulnerability, making him as unaccustomed to danger as someone could possibly be.
@@bunklypeppz I didn't even think about that scene, but yeah that makes sense. I was thinking that a corporation would capitalize on them and create teams of heroes to sell to cities, create their own villains, etc. The job of the hero is to sell products and the image of the company, not protect people.
@@bunklypeppz This is an important point about privilege. When white men say that it's a "dangerous time for men" because of the #metoo movement, it's because they have never actually lived with the danger that the people who they dominate have experienced their entire lives. As Margaret Atwood has said, "Men are afraid of being rejected. Women are afraid of being killed."
I still think Kirkman’s “Invincibles” has a more realistic take, missing out all of Ennis’ over the top gags and set pieces. They both have their place in that once you start reading them you can’t put them down.
@Bodhi Mantra...Haha, you as well. yea I just found this channel recently when trying to get an in depth look at this old anime called "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Decent channel so far.
@@joebotarsenault8538....I'd rather hear your definition or understanding of capitalism first, because most anti-capitalist types as i said, conflate it with cronyism. So what makes capitalism, capitalism? Capitalism is essentially based off of a few key elements. I want to see whether you are able to pinpoint those elements.
@@liawatson5789 the comic had the same premise but the author of the comic really hates superheroes so he goes over the top in making heroes as evil as possible and the boys way more malicious but they are okay because they are the good guys. It's really blunt lacks character depth that the show has and has zero nuance.
@@millerrepin4452 The Boys are just as bad considering what they are willing to do. Hughie is the only one that can be seen as the lesser evils but has done some questional things even at the end.
I love how this show doesn't treat this as a black and white, oppressor vs oppressed issue. Superheroes are humanized, even the ones that do the most unspeakable acts, and are shown to be slaves just as much as the rest of us. They're trapped in a game of cat and mouse with each other, fighting to maintain their power. Also, the show also calls into question how we should fight back against this domination. At first I feared this show would glorify killing superheroes, but it really doesn't. Hughie's supposedly empowering moment in episode 2 is deconstructed to hell and back, causing Hughie to feel crushing remorse and ultimately turn away from that life. Similarly, Billy's edgy quest for revenge is shown to be self-destructive and harmful to others. And in the end, Hughie saves the life of the person he hates the most. The Boys shows that when we fight back against tyranny with their own methods, we become no better than them. Which... I'm glad this is the message. When the first trailer dropped, I thought this would be an edgy show about terrible people screwing over other terrible people and glorifying the underdogs for brutally murdering people more powerful than them. But instead it takes a pretty level-headed approach to the theme.
right I was thinking ah so watchmen but on amazon haha. but yeess! You can really see the how when A train, after his femur is broken in the store getting racially profiled, how he's gripping to maintaining his place of power that he gets from his superhero identity and the seven. He was upset that the guard saw him as just some normal black guy. I thought it was going to be a moment for him of calling out racism but he had more of an ego meltdown. I liked this because it showed his character and mindset, additionally when he later says something along the lines "you don't fuck with (my) money" showing how we'll uphold the value we've placed in money over morals, doing anything to uphold the power structure money has created. It made sense for his character as a black American man, in the sense that its a similar mindset well off black people have to survive in this system, doing what they can to be viewed as equal and successful while superior over others. Desiring the lives we've been shunned from and then reluctantly let into constantly fighting to prove our value. As a poc I noticed this nuance and I really enjoyed it. It really showed the systems of oppression, highlighting the tactics used to win over a population, and the contributors to the toxic system that they are either rewarded or damned by. Also, it comes for the pharmaceutical companies lowkey I'm sure something like this will come to be and this is how the prime us for it. amazons priming us hahaha.. ha h
Yes!! All the characters have deep trauma, so they inflict it on others. That's why we root for characters like Huey and Starlight: they at least take some actions to end the cycle of trauma by exposing systemic injustices, not just killing the individuals who wronged them.
here's an ad for consolidating all your loans into one easy to schedule monthly beating, and now, back to talking about socially legitimate domination. Capitalist whiplash at it's finest.
@@500ccRabbit if this is already shady to you, then your not a hardline capitalist. It can go so much more depraved. You sound like you still have morals.
@@500ccRabbit Hey, sometimes, in order to deliver that ~15min philosophy discourse video, you gotta suck a little capital D to make it possible. Now, is anyone donating to their patreon (assuming they didn't simply decide to cut them off as a payment processor for reasons that they have no business putting their noses in)?
Who, but God, has ever claimed perfect morality? No such thing can exist because it's made up by humans. The real problem with superpowers is that power corrupts, because humans are assholes.
"Capitalism forces us to act and do things for money, Starlight shows this by revealing everything she says is scripted at a rally. Now I'd like to thank upstart, a money lender that drives capitalist dynamics" *smiles*
Wisecrack : "if we call out domination [...] will it change anything?" And then proceeds to sell you some random credit score app that will never change the assblasting you get from banks and insurance companies. Well played wisecrack. Well played...
It’s crazy. Of all the different portrayals of superheroes in media I could think of, corporate superheroes was the one that never crossed my mind. And it was the one that made me the most terrified.
Authority uses patriotism (which is mental illness) as a means of control over the population. Courts control population through ceremony. The judge acts as high priest. It is all a scam, but so few can see that because they BELIEVE that authority is superior to them. For a lot of good info please follow this link. drive.google.com/open?id=1J8CL-BEhLs3tuMmoWrvvCfK7X6_LNT88 or go here facebook.com/groups/1636426366596889/files/
@@abdulrahmanchalya7873 that can easily be accredit to less overall operations and more focused and specialized missions. Also its fucking expensive as shit to train an operator to the point marine raiders eligible for retirement are being offered up to 50k to stay.
One very corrupt but very effective business practice that the show demonstrates is not to create a solution, but rather create a problem and sell the solution.
@G2 Man clearly celebrities, wherever they stand politically, are the real-life blueprint for the hero worship of the show but I see a clear distinction between how most people view celebrities and how cult-like the following of almost half the country is towards Trump.
I think this commentary is an accurate reflection on today's society, but it's too focused to be an accurate representation of our pervasive social "dominance." I can get behind the notion that big companies are constantly manipulating us to buy products we don't need for problems they've created, but I don't think this is the only, or even the most pervasive form of,cultural dominance we have in today's society. Rather, our interpersonal social dominance is ironically the most prevalent form of dominance. Not a single day goes by where we aren't subjected to a myriad of social pressures levied against our own personal interests. Now, if that's good or bad, I don't know. What I do know is that society, everyone in society to be more specific, is the primary dominator of humanity.
@Ben....I'd say they work in tandem. The things people do to keep up appearances, go with flow or conform with the expectations of society or their peer group is quite telling.
Agree, but I think the concepts of being influenced by social pressure vs literal social control are married. If the government went for total control, they'd buck their own system. If they kept redefining what the "new normal" was then they could get us to do the work for them.
That last statement reminds me of the last Codec call in MGS2 when the AI explains to Raiden how big of an impact public perception has on society (in other words, how much influence we really can exert on our own state of a supposedly democratic affair). It further elaborates how bad we are at directing this power for our best interest; how fucked up things can get when we refuse to participate in a larger forum, clinging to our own half-truths at the expense of another person's well-being. It is what made strongman politics so attractive at a time when people's expectations are subverted by an uncertain future. We actually have to power to trade away our democratic system.
A lot of people do, especially people with anxiety, low self esteem, lack of intrinsic motivators etc, that's why so many people join cults & the military.
@@joebotarsenault8538 Okay, where's others technologies, human rights, economic? There isn't such a reality where a nation that launches robots to other planets is equal to a tribe of cannibals with spears
Steel Bear uhmmmm you know that the communist soviets weren’t capitalist and sent people, animals and such to space (and the moon) before America did right?
"Is the monopoly man really dominating us and are we all just going along to make a buck?" "I also want to shout out our sponsor again" Ironic, we know you dont really *want* to shout out the sponsor again.
_"Is the monopoly man really dominating us and we're all just going along so we can make a buck, _*_[proceeds to read script]_*_ or are there more visible forms of domination we're ignoring? And if we call out this domination-if we break from the myth of thinking it's okay, will it really change anything?" _*_Closes with pitch to Upstart._* She's essentially a speed reader who explains the philosophical concepts to us, provided examples through the show, then personifying it in the end. I think I learned my lesson! Way to drive it home Wisecrack.
I love Helen! She’s rad. Also, the social hierarchy domination is one of those scenarios that allows for the greater injustices. Example: Trafficked woman kills her capture but gets sentenced for manslaughter. That’s an unfair dealing of the law in a social hierarchy of domination model. Was the trafficker providing a service? Was he providing worth or comfort? Was he creating capital and money out of the selling of teen’s body without consent? Capitalism seems to provoke and promote the most abhorrent behavior in order to make capital. Does anyone else see this like I do?
@@ConernicusRex I can't understand what you're telling me. Please reword your sentence to use proper grammar. I think that's part of the lack of understanding in communication.
How about this: you go to public school so truant cops don't harass your parents, but you get the shit beat out you at least once a week. Homeschooling is still illegal in your state.
@@ruijua there are a couple of things wrong with your example Firstly in most of the capitalist societies there are mechanisms and institution built for the purpose of stopping human trafficking which is illegal and it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Secondly you associate the desire and motivation of people to partake in human traffickin and profit from it with capitalism, are you trying to say that capitalism is responsible for driving people to take advantage of the weak and vulnerables?
I had been waiting for a wisecrack video about The Boys! I think there's a point when people just get tired of accepting domination, specially as they start to see how it disfavors them. At least that's what I think is happening right now here in Chile for instance
These superhero epics are exactly why I enjoyed Nolan's Batman series. Bruce Wayne has absolutely zero superpowers, he's just a vulnerable, motivated, man with flaws and virtues.
@@ZackZick96 I've heard that argument before and believe me, I respect it. I think Nolan acknowledged this criticism by making the Waynes more philanthropically motivated and contributors to the public good through things like the mass transit, the orphanage, the energy project under the river, and even the batcave, which was used to harbor freed slaves along the underground railroad.
huh? I've watch several YT vid that explain why he is in the show. his likeness was used for Huey, he was gonna play him yrs ago. But too old now, so he plays his Dad. They also talk about in the extras on Prime, if ur interested.
@@clayongunzelle9555 Exactly. I haven't seen the show but in general the concepts seem to call back to Nietzsche's "God is dead" thing; the implication being that _something_ will fill that void of external authority/domination because that is how we rationalize our entire existence.
Not quite, Vought is far above the military industrial complex in the comics, the could get away with providing assault rifles that didn't shoot. Vought is a metaphor for political corruption.
@@MalaysianChopsticks the government integrated compound V (in extremley limited quantity thanks to Mallory), not the concept of superheroes. In a sense the whole problem with superheroes was created by Mallory himself, the founder of the Boys. Mallory managed to kidnap Vogelbaum and have him refine compound V and make it stable and practical for military use, but he forced him to make it crazy expensive in order to avoid mass production. Voughf on the other hand was left with a defective and unstable version of V that had unpredictable effects and mostly produced freaks, wich forced Vought to rebrand those freaks as superheroes and use them in the entertainment industry. Even Vought's best specimens, Patriot and Black Noir were failures, since they were too powerful to be reliably controlled. What the government really wanted was a way to lower the costs of the formula they already had, so that they could give it to all their special forces, and not just a single CIA team.
Please Complete All Fields no shit they don’t exist but the movies are used as propaganda and create a feedback loop to promote more war and more strongmen and then more modern myth making to justify the wars and strongmen
Please Complete All Fields bruh, what he meant was that the superhero movies are being used for pro-military propaganda. Captain Marvel, for instance. Several recruitment ads for women to join the Air Force
@@xponen "They had to do that to save cost", well maybe not. "They chose to do that to increase profits" might be more accurate. I find it difficult to believe that one of the highest grossing movie franchises of all time NEEDS to save money with military sponsorship.
What you describe as socially legitimate domination sounds very similar to Gramsci's cultural hegemony. Not criticizing so much as noting the similarity
Physical and psychological domination through violence. At the personal level, the organizational level, or the societal level, it's violence that rules. The credible threat of violence and the willingness to back up that threat with action is what cements both legitimate and illegitimate domination. Police, military, or super heros in this case, are the key to enforsing domination. Those who are dominated need to either accept it somehow or fight it and face that violence. Most choose to accept it in order to survive. That's not the same as wanting it. And without a large number of people willing to change who dominates and who is dominated through the credible threat of violence and the willingness to back it up, it will remain in place. Here, the Revelation that super heros are created with a drug instead of naturally born isn't a paradigm shift. The company and society can handle that, to a large extent. But the thing they can't admit, ever, is that they are vulnerable to the very violence they use. They have to lie about the dead invisible man because the fact that a couple of regular guys could capture and kill him would completely upend the societal acceptance of their domination.
2 weeks ago, when i first watched this youtube video, 20 seconds in I turned it off cause it made me really into actually wanting to watching the series. Now 2 weeks later, after finishing the series, I returned to finally watch the whole video.
Wisecrack: Damn capitalism. Also Wisecrack: Click on our sponsor's link to check your interest rate. The shoutout alone was enough to explain domination, the rest of the episode was just for LOLs.
I think this show also explores what power and fame does to people. Some heroes have this god complex believing they are above everyone else and above the law the same way some celebrities do in the real life, telling people how the must live etc, it's no coincidence they are portrayed as celebrities starring in movies and creating a brand around themselves.
I honestly think that the reason why people have this "Hero Worship" is something that's explained better in the comics "The Boys" than in the show, yes there's the scene where Butcher tells Hughie "The reason you don't hear about it, it's that the public doesn't wanna know about it." In the source material. The Supes have comics that Vought America sells to the public that they claim "Tells the full story of the adventures of the Supes" There's even a panel where Butcher and Hughie are walking past a huge shelf of comics, Hughie picks one up and says "I know about this one, he died saving the universe." Butcher just laughs and says "Nah chocked on Cum."
To expand up the military industrial complex idea, I think the it's worth expanding to how private entities, specifically corporations, are taking on the roles that previously preformed by the government and public institutions. This can be seen beyond the military industrial complex, with more survalience, communication, and access to information from tech companies, or the importants of the energy conpanies in deyermining public policy reponce to climate change etc. And, these private entities, with private interests, are less and less held to account of the rule of law, as well as the checks and balances and popular sovereignty that hold, democratic, governments to account. As FDR stated: "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power."
I always knew fascism as waaaaay different definition. Also, an absolute king, monarch would be a fascist too in your definition. That doesn't sound right. I know fascism as the interweaving of totalitarism (you can't even be silent towards the party. If you are not freneticly chanting, you are a goner) and one group above/vs all others. Once the hostile groups are removed, you create new ones to fight against. For the system can not function without an enemy to hate/feel supreme over. And that's the thing, fascism has no endgame.
An awesome analysis of one of the most underappreciated series of the year. Thanks, I really enjoyed this exegesis, and look forward to your next video.
@Jeffrey Scott guess I agree, they do great videos! I just wish they promoted other things, but in the end I guess it's all the same, so while they keep making great videos I'm fine with it
What I notice about this show was the Boys went after Supes for revenge and none of them actually got it, which is something I really liked from the show, it doesn't just provide you with the endgame you want, it's rather grey and explores all the nuances. I loved the character development of each of them, even the most inhumane of them are sketched with such innate vulnerability that makes each character, humane, this show transcends its own limitations in every new season, it's get better and better. Probably one of the best shows of all time.
Does it change anything? Yes. While the system we love in is far from perfect, I do believe it is a big step forward from kings, priests and peasants. How will the next step look like? Also, it is extremely ironic, that a video about domination philosophy starts and ends with advertisement for an credit company. We all, are in the pit.
Part of what helps domination is that they’re are people who don’t suffer as much, or partially benefit from the domination. So, rather than rise against it they will defend the dominators no matter what because the change that comes with it terrifies them.
2:50 so the much "maligned" superhero origin stories are necessary after all aren't they? HERO origin stories that mean something and explain why people make choices and use their powers for good and aren't just "superpowered" douches like the people from the Boys. Still, fiction and different genres.
Like when a Government can take your property because a police officer suspects the property may have been involved in a crime? aka civil forfeiture. like that?
When Vought erases Meave's bisexuality because "lesbian is bit of an easier sell"
Painfully accurate
I am so happy The Loud House and Adventure Time are able to portray bisexual characters.
@@arthurfortes8398 who was bi in adventure time?
@@003mohamud Marceline and Bubblegum. And Beemo is asexual.
@@arthurfortes8398 cringe
The comic was edginess for edginess. The show takes itself more serious.
In the comic, Starlight's sexual abuse was just to show how evil the seven were. In the show, they explore it further.
It’s written by Garth Ennis, what do you expect? Lol
@@gabrielidusogie9189
So Ennis is known for having good or at least interesting ideas but not being good at executing them?
Charly III I guess it’s all subjective but a lot of the British writers that wrote for DC and Marvel back in the day either started a trend of edginess that was originally tasteful but led to edge lord nonsense (Alan Moore with Watchmen and MiracleMan) or they immediately came out the gate with just the most off the wall stuff. Garth Ennis wrote this cannibal comicbook awhile back that really makes no sense to me
@@gabrielidusogie9189 aka.. THE 90'S
@@gabrielidusogie9189 I know exactly what you mean man I know this is late but a lot of comics get more and more edgy without building the concepts in any meaningful manner and would have probably given up on marvel and dcs newer comics if it wasn’t for the immortal hulk and mister miracle
The first time they showed Hughie's dad in the show I immediately thought "Who is this American guy who looks just like Simon Pegg?"
Back when the comic first came out I was reading a friend's copy. I remarked that Huey looked exactly like Simon Pegg.
I was told they deliberately modeled the character on Pegg after watching Spaced and hoped he would eventually play Huey in a TV adaptation.
I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that he's ended up playing the dad all these years later.
@@Sam-iu8nb he ended up playing the dad only because he was too old to portray Huey!
I totally missed the fact that it was Simon Pegg. It's been a long time since Spaced and his American accent is spot on.
Yea I fangirled because of him
Lol nah i knew it was simon right away
The Boys is probably the most realistic take on the idea of Super Humans existing in our world
I especially liked how Translucent turned into a coward and started begging for his life the instant it became clear that the boys figured out how to kill him. It actually makes a lot of sense that people who grew up with super powers and therefore never experienced true danger, even in the mundane ways that regular people experience it (like driving, walking in the woods etc.), would actually be more cowardly than regular people when they actually were in real danger, because they would just be totally unaccustomed to it; and I hope that is something that the show explores more later on.
It's kind of silly when you think about how heroes like superman are always depicted as fearlessly confronting these villains that pose existential threats to humanity and the heroes themselves, in spite of the fact that, for example, superman grew up on Earth where he was effectively sheltered by his own invulnerability, making him as unaccustomed to danger as someone could possibly be.
Eh
@@bunklypeppz I didn't even think about that scene, but yeah that makes sense. I was thinking that a corporation would capitalize on them and create teams of heroes to sell to cities, create their own villains, etc. The job of the hero is to sell products and the image of the company, not protect people.
@@bunklypeppz This is an important point about privilege. When white men say that it's a "dangerous time for men" because of the #metoo movement, it's because they have never actually lived with the danger that the people who they dominate have experienced their entire lives. As Margaret Atwood has said, "Men are afraid of being rejected. Women are afraid of being killed."
I still think Kirkman’s “Invincibles” has a more realistic take, missing out all of Ennis’ over the top gags and set pieces. They both have their place in that once you start reading them you can’t put them down.
Was anyone else satisfied to see when A-Train's femur break in half?
@Bodhi Mantra...Haha, you as well. yea I just found this channel recently when trying to get an in depth look at this old anime called "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Decent channel so far.
Not as good as it will feel when we break capitalism’s femur in half
@@joebotarsenault8538....you don't even know what capitalism is. I bet you're conflating it with cronyism aka crony capitalism.
Blue Spiral lol probably, care to enlighten me about how incredible regular capitalism is?
@@joebotarsenault8538....I'd rather hear your definition or understanding of capitalism first, because most anti-capitalist types as i said, conflate it with cronyism. So what makes capitalism, capitalism? Capitalism is essentially based off of a few key elements. I want to see whether you are able to pinpoint those elements.
It's worth noting that the show is based on a comic. The comic, however, is much darker and hasn't had as warm a reception as the show.
It's not as good, though.
What was the comic like about?
@@liawatson5789 the comic had the same premise but the author of the comic really hates superheroes so he goes over the top in making heroes as evil as possible and the boys way more malicious but they are okay because they are the good guys. It's really blunt lacks character depth that the show has and has zero nuance.
That you knew such information. Love.
@@millerrepin4452 The Boys are just as bad considering what they are willing to do. Hughie is the only one that can be seen as the lesser evils but has done some questional things even at the end.
I love how this show doesn't treat this as a black and white, oppressor vs oppressed issue. Superheroes are humanized, even the ones that do the most unspeakable acts, and are shown to be slaves just as much as the rest of us. They're trapped in a game of cat and mouse with each other, fighting to maintain their power.
Also, the show also calls into question how we should fight back against this domination. At first I feared this show would glorify killing superheroes, but it really doesn't. Hughie's supposedly empowering moment in episode 2 is deconstructed to hell and back, causing Hughie to feel crushing remorse and ultimately turn away from that life. Similarly, Billy's edgy quest for revenge is shown to be self-destructive and harmful to others. And in the end, Hughie saves the life of the person he hates the most.
The Boys shows that when we fight back against tyranny with their own methods, we become no better than them.
Which... I'm glad this is the message. When the first trailer dropped, I thought this would be an edgy show about terrible people screwing over other terrible people and glorifying the underdogs for brutally murdering people more powerful than them. But instead it takes a pretty level-headed approach to the theme.
right I was thinking ah so watchmen but on amazon haha. but yeess!
You can really see the how when A train, after his femur is broken in the store getting racially profiled, how he's gripping to maintaining his place of power that he gets from his superhero identity and the seven. He was upset that the guard saw him as just some normal black guy. I thought it was going to be a moment for him of calling out racism but he had more of an ego meltdown. I liked this because it showed his character and mindset, additionally when he later says something along the lines "you don't fuck with (my) money" showing how we'll uphold the value we've placed in money over morals, doing anything to uphold the power structure money has created. It made sense for his character as a black American man, in the sense that its a similar mindset well off black people have to survive in this system, doing what they can to be viewed as equal and successful while superior over others. Desiring the lives we've been shunned from and then reluctantly let into constantly fighting to prove our value. As a poc I noticed this nuance and I really enjoyed it.
It really showed the systems of oppression, highlighting the tactics used to win over a population, and the contributors to the toxic system that they are either rewarded or damned by. Also, it comes for the pharmaceutical companies lowkey I'm sure something like this will come to be and this is how the prime us for it. amazons priming us hahaha.. ha h
When Homelander's origins were revealed, it made me think again who were the real bad ones: the supes or the people?
@@kojiyaw can't it be both?
Yes!!
All the characters have deep trauma, so they inflict it on others.
That's why we root for characters like Huey and Starlight: they at least take some actions to end the cycle of trauma by exposing systemic injustices, not just killing the individuals who wronged them.
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 no one is pure hearted yea
here's an ad for consolidating all your loans into one easy to schedule monthly beating, and now, back to talking about socially legitimate domination. Capitalist whiplash at it's finest.
ahaha monthly beating.
No one is free from shaddy business practices, stop whining
@@500ccRabbit if this is already shady to you, then your not a hardline capitalist. It can go so much more depraved. You sound like you still have morals.
@@500ccRabbit Hey, sometimes, in order to deliver that ~15min philosophy discourse video, you gotta suck a little capital D to make it possible.
Now, is anyone donating to their patreon (assuming they didn't simply decide to cut them off as a payment processor for reasons that they have no business putting their noses in)?
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII
...We could tell ourselves Justifying Myths all day.
The problem with superpowers is the same as tech: it doesnt guarantee perfect morality
Tech never claimed to guarantee perfect morality or even morality in general. Tech is neutral.
Who, but God, has ever claimed perfect morality? No such thing can exist because it's made up by humans.
The real problem with superpowers is that power corrupts, because humans are assholes.
@@u770017 "Tech is neutral" is a Myth. ;)
@@Shinkajo they are like hollywood celebrities tbh
Shinkajo there are good people in the world right
"Capitalism forces us to act and do things for money, Starlight shows this by revealing everything she says is scripted at a rally. Now I'd like to thank upstart, a money lender that drives capitalist dynamics" *smiles*
This comment is so damn underrated!!!
Capitalism doesn't force you to do anything. I gives you the freedom to do why you want. If you choose to become an ass that's your choice.
I like how other economic systems don't force anything.
Capitalism forced them to find a sponsor to bring you this message.
@@marcusj1167 become an ass or a criminal or starve...
great choices
Wisecrack : "if we call out domination [...] will it change anything?"
And then proceeds to sell you some random credit score app that will never change the assblasting you get from banks and insurance companies.
Well played wisecrack. Well played...
They are just as much dominated line the rest. We are all in the pit.
@@frederikspitra7832 eh. At least a comfortable pit unlike some other places (NK, SU, Somalia)
taking out a loan willingly so you can buy something now instead of later is being raped?
And the Boys is on Amazon, what's your point?
It’s crazy. Of all the different portrayals of superheroes in media I could think of, corporate superheroes was the one that never crossed my mind.
And it was the one that made me the most terrified.
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I just usually use the arrow buttons until they stop talking about it tbh.
2020: The Philosophy of the Philosophy
....Metaphysics?
Metasophy
That's called logic. And it seams that we have a long way to get there))
The quote from Eisenhower... Damn, we let him down, didn’t we?
you did yup
blame boomer
Authority uses patriotism (which is mental illness) as a means of control over the population. Courts control population through ceremony. The judge acts as high priest. It is all a scam, but so few can see that because they BELIEVE that authority is superior to them. For a lot of good info please follow this link. drive.google.com/open?id=1J8CL-BEhLs3tuMmoWrvvCfK7X6_LNT88 or go here facebook.com/groups/1636426366596889/files/
actually, military spending proportionally to the GDP in America is lower than ever so not as much as you think
@@abdulrahmanchalya7873 that can easily be accredit to less overall operations and more focused and specialized missions. Also its fucking expensive as shit to train an operator to the point marine raiders eligible for retirement are being offered up to 50k to stay.
One very corrupt but very effective business practice that the show demonstrates is not to create a solution, but rather create a problem and sell the solution.
Our modern Government
Love how wisecrack continuously skirts the effect of the threat of physical force
"... warns of the danger of the military industrial complex."
*Solid Snake and Big Boss have entered the chat*
“let me ask you the audience, are we being dominated? “
...
Immediately reads upstart ad to get paid for shit we don’t care about
LMAO
We need more R rated superhero films
Depends on the character.
Yes!
let moon knight introduce himself in the mcu
@@michaeljosephjackson2364 not an R-rated as long as Jack Lockley doesn't hv his scene
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Does the newsmedia also create a cult of hero worship.
Blue Kitty *cough*FOX NEWS*cough*
Two words, "President Trump".
@G2 Man clearly celebrities, wherever they stand politically, are the real-life blueprint for the hero worship of the show but I see a clear distinction between how most people view celebrities and how cult-like the following of almost half the country is towards Trump.
Is that a question or a statement?
Yes
I think this commentary is an accurate reflection on today's society, but it's too focused to be an accurate representation of our pervasive social "dominance." I can get behind the notion that big companies are constantly manipulating us to buy products we don't need for problems they've created, but I don't think this is the only, or even the most pervasive form of,cultural dominance we have in today's society. Rather, our interpersonal social dominance is ironically the most prevalent form of dominance. Not a single day goes by where we aren't subjected to a myriad of social pressures levied against our own personal interests. Now, if that's good or bad, I don't know. What I do know is that society, everyone in society to be more specific, is the primary dominator of humanity.
@Ben....I'd say they work in tandem. The things people do to keep up appearances, go with flow or conform with the expectations of society or their peer group is quite telling.
Agree, but I think the concepts of being influenced by social pressure vs literal social control are married. If the government went for total control, they'd buck their own system. If they kept redefining what the "new normal" was then they could get us to do the work for them.
That last statement reminds me of the last Codec call in MGS2 when the AI explains to Raiden how big of an impact public perception has on society (in other words, how much influence we really can exert on our own state of a supposedly democratic affair). It further elaborates how bad we are at directing this power for our best interest; how fucked up things can get when we refuse to participate in a larger forum, clinging to our own half-truths at the expense of another person's well-being. It is what made strongman politics so attractive at a time when people's expectations are subverted by an uncertain future. We actually have to power to trade away our democratic system.
Painfully accurate
I for one love getting Dominated.
Matthew Harrington 🤣bruh this comment is so underrated
Ok
A lot of people do, especially people with anxiety, low self esteem, lack of intrinsic motivators etc, that's why so many people join cults & the military.
rabbit "we want equal rights"
lion "where are your fangs? where are your claws?"
Jesus Christ, humans aren’t different breeds of animals. Sounds a lot like Hitler talk no?
a different breed indeed
@@joebotarsenault8538
Okay, where's others technologies, human rights, economic? There isn't such a reality where a nation that launches robots to other planets is equal to a tribe of cannibals with spears
Steel Bear uhmmmm you know that the communist soviets weren’t capitalist and sent people, animals and such to space (and the moon) before America did right?
Steel Bear lol oops I thought this was a different thread but I still don’t get your point lol
if only they called it "the bois"
then they'd get 11/10 from me, though the oiriginal name already is the best name on anything ever
The Upstart ad at the end was hilarious. Wisecrack be jokin'.
The best jokes are told with a straight face.
"Is the monopoly man really dominating us and are we all just going along to make a buck?"
"I also want to shout out our sponsor again"
Ironic, we know you dont really *want* to shout out the sponsor again.
"The Philosophy of..."
THE KING HAS RETURNED!
Wisecrack’s definition of socially legitimate domination had me screaming in my head “government, she’s talking about government!”
_"Is the monopoly man really dominating us and we're all just going along so we can make a buck, _*_[proceeds to read script]_*_ or are there more visible forms of domination we're ignoring? And if we call out this domination-if we break from the myth of thinking it's okay, will it really change anything?" _*_Closes with pitch to Upstart._*
She's essentially a speed reader who explains the philosophical concepts to us, provided examples through the show, then personifying it in the end. I think I learned my lesson! Way to drive it home Wisecrack.
As she says “pay us to like them” immediate ad.
Philosophy on The Spice Girls next
The Spice Girls were about capitalism being bad.
Philosopher of spice sounds nice XD.
Consult Virginia Postrel's book on Glamour
I love Helen! She’s rad.
Also, the social hierarchy domination is one of those scenarios that allows for the greater injustices.
Example:
Trafficked woman kills her capture but gets sentenced for manslaughter. That’s an unfair dealing of the law in a social hierarchy of domination model.
Was the trafficker providing a service? Was he providing worth or comfort? Was he creating capital and money out of the selling of teen’s body without consent?
Capitalism seems to provoke and promote the most abhorrent behavior in order to make capital. Does anyone else see this like I do?
juancarlosdrd high school children who just read The Communist Manifesto and nothing published after all see things exactly that way.
@@ConernicusRex I can't understand what you're telling me. Please reword your sentence to use proper grammar. I think that's part of the lack of understanding in communication.
How about this: you go to public school so truant cops don't harass your parents, but you get the shit beat out you at least once a week. Homeschooling is still illegal in your state.
@@ruijua there are a couple of things wrong with your example
Firstly in most of the capitalist societies there are mechanisms and institution built for the purpose of stopping human trafficking which is illegal and it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Secondly you associate the desire and motivation of people to partake in human traffickin and profit from it with capitalism, are you trying to say that capitalism is responsible for driving people to take advantage of the weak and vulnerables?
@@cv4809 Yes, I am saying that.
The Boys is Watchmen if the writers actually understood what the graphic novel was about.
I had been waiting for a wisecrack video about The Boys! I think there's a point when people just get tired of accepting domination, specially as they start to see how it disfavors them. At least that's what I think is happening right now here in Chile for instance
These superhero epics are exactly why I enjoyed Nolan's Batman series. Bruce Wayne has absolutely zero superpowers, he's just a vulnerable, motivated, man with flaws and virtues.
If he paid his taxes there wouldn't be any crime in Gotham.
@@ZackZick96 I've heard that argument before and believe me, I respect it. I think Nolan acknowledged this criticism by making the Waynes more philanthropically motivated and contributors to the public good through things like the mass transit, the orphanage, the energy project under the river, and even the batcave, which was used to harbor freed slaves along the underground railroad.
Wisecrack: "Is the monopoly man dominating us?"
Also Wisecrack: "Shoutout to upstart"
You guys should do a philosophy of The Maxx!
That sounds like a fun one. That author/artist is truly awesome at some very odd ideas.
I impeach you Trumpy
Spoiler: The Maxx is about the oppression of capitalism.
Simon Peg as a wussy dad is the weirdest casting choice ever.
kokorolex it does make sense if you’ve read the comic because the main character was based on Simon Peg.
huh? I've watch several YT vid that explain why he is in the show. his likeness was used for Huey, he was gonna play him yrs ago. But too old now, so he plays his Dad. They also talk about in the extras on Prime, if ur interested.
He played it so well though. I really wanted to punch him when he told Hughie to just sign the agreement.
If he were younger he would've played Hewey actually, but ...... oh wait Jari already explained it. cheeky bugger
fit pretty well to me
Spoiler: The Superheroes in The Boys is metaphor for the American Military Industrial Complex
Edit: 12:15 on the money .......
I don't think it's just limited to that, it's also the sports and movie stars who people worship as if they can do no wrong
@@clayongunzelle9555 Exactly. I haven't seen the show but in general the concepts seem to call back to Nietzsche's "God is dead" thing; the implication being that _something_ will fill that void of external authority/domination because that is how we rationalize our entire existence.
IRL the government would already fund the program and integrate the heroes first chance they get. Its true in the comic. Not the shos tho..
Not quite, Vought is far above the military industrial complex in the comics, the could get away with providing assault rifles that didn't shoot. Vought is a metaphor for political corruption.
@@MalaysianChopsticks the government integrated compound V (in extremley limited quantity thanks to Mallory), not the concept of superheroes. In a sense the whole problem with superheroes was created by Mallory himself, the founder of the Boys. Mallory managed to kidnap Vogelbaum and have him refine compound V and make it stable and practical for military use, but he forced him to make it crazy expensive in order to avoid mass production. Voughf on the other hand was left with a defective and unstable version of V that had unpredictable effects and mostly produced freaks, wich forced Vought to rebrand those freaks as superheroes and use them in the entertainment industry. Even Vought's best specimens, Patriot and Black Noir were failures, since they were too powerful to be reliably controlled. What the government really wanted was a way to lower the costs of the formula they already had, so that they could give it to all their special forces, and not just a single CIA team.
This is why marvel partners with the military irl
@Please Complete All Fields oh really
Please Complete All Fields no shit they don’t exist but the movies are used as propaganda and create a feedback loop to promote more war and more strongmen and then more modern myth making to justify the wars and strongmen
Please Complete All Fields bruh, what he meant was that the superhero movies are being used for pro-military propaganda. Captain Marvel, for instance. Several recruitment ads for women to join the Air Force
@@Penguinmanereikel they had to do that to save cost. US military will lend filmakers some military stuff in exchange for propaganda.
@@xponen "They had to do that to save cost", well maybe not.
"They chose to do that to increase profits" might be more accurate.
I find it difficult to believe that one of the highest grossing movie franchises of all time NEEDS to save money with military sponsorship.
This is what I’ve been waiting for!
What you describe as socially legitimate domination sounds very similar to Gramsci's cultural hegemony. Not criticizing so much as noting the similarity
“Where’s your fucking rage” is how I feel all the time at work in everyday life dealing with the government and typical shit
Thank you Wisecrack for considering my e-mail on the Philosophy of THE BOYS. And thank you to all the patrons who requested it. Now, let me enjoy.
Please do the Philosophy of the venture bros. There's a lot to unpack from that show as its plot unfolds
Physical and psychological domination through violence. At the personal level, the organizational level, or the societal level, it's violence that rules. The credible threat of violence and the willingness to back up that threat with action is what cements both legitimate and illegitimate domination. Police, military, or super heros in this case, are the key to enforsing domination. Those who are dominated need to either accept it somehow or fight it and face that violence. Most choose to accept it in order to survive. That's not the same as wanting it. And without a large number of people willing to change who dominates and who is dominated through the credible threat of violence and the willingness to back it up, it will remain in place.
Here, the Revelation that super heros are created with a drug instead of naturally born isn't a paradigm shift. The company and society can handle that, to a large extent. But the thing they can't admit, ever, is that they are vulnerable to the very violence they use. They have to lie about the dead invisible man because the fact that a couple of regular guys could capture and kill him would completely upend the societal acceptance of their domination.
2:05 people, 2:05.
Is it just me or whenever i click on a wisecrack video i expect to hear "hello wisecrack, jared here"
Starlight’s name is Annie, Charlotte was Popclaw.
Yesss! Have been waiting for this for the longest time, glad u guys decided to make it.
2 weeks ago, when i first watched this youtube video, 20 seconds in I turned it off cause it made me really into actually wanting to watching the series. Now 2 weeks later, after finishing the series, I returned to finally watch the whole video.
The characters from 'Tiger and Bunny' would have a field day w/this show
*Homelander:* _Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary._
*Batman:* Look at little Superman Jr. GONNA CRY?
Oh hello there!
I know I'm really looking forward to the next episode!
Wisecrack: Damn capitalism.
Also Wisecrack: Click on our sponsor's link to check your interest rate.
The shoutout alone was enough to explain domination, the rest of the episode was just for LOLs.
This is a good video, with an important message! Wisecrack is amazing.
Jared transformed
He looks good without the beard.
Guys, if for some reason you haven’t watched this, do it. It’s OUTSTANDING
They should try a philosophy of Watchmen v the Boys
Lol nah the boys would get embarrassed.
gh0s1 the Boys is way better
I think this show also explores what power and fame does to people. Some heroes have this god complex believing they are above everyone else and above the law the same way some celebrities do in the real life, telling people how the must live etc, it's no coincidence they are portrayed as celebrities starring in movies and creating a brand around themselves.
Remember lads, you guys are the real heroes!
You're doing a great job Helen! And your hair is always on point!
Now you should do "The philosophy of Watchmen"
I honestly think that the reason why people have this "Hero Worship" is something that's explained better in the comics "The Boys" than in the show, yes there's the scene where Butcher tells Hughie "The reason you don't hear about it, it's that the public doesn't wanna know about it."
In the source material. The Supes have comics that Vought America sells to the public that they claim "Tells the full story of the adventures of the Supes" There's even a panel where Butcher and Hughie are walking past a huge shelf of comics, Hughie picks one up and says "I know about this one, he died saving the universe." Butcher just laughs and says "Nah chocked on Cum."
Season 2 is about to be wild 🔥
We need you guys to make an episode about Invincible 🙏🏼👏🏼
What’s the best live action superhero show
Watchmen, though you should the comic before hand
Misfits, Doom Patrol, Daredevil, then The Boys.
Amazon: I play both sides so I always come out on top.
I love this systematic summary of why the show is great
Helen..you are dominating that lipstick color!!!!
I though you guys already did this video
Thanks for the early holiday gift wisecrack merry Christmas to you all 🎅🏻☃️🎄
Can we also get an episode on the non philosophical domination?
GREAT analysis. This kinda stuff is why I subbed to this channel
To expand up the military industrial complex idea, I think the it's worth expanding to how private entities, specifically corporations, are taking on the roles that previously preformed by the government and public institutions. This can be seen beyond the military industrial complex, with more survalience, communication, and access to information from tech companies, or the importants of the energy conpanies in deyermining public policy reponce to climate change etc. And, these private entities, with private interests, are less and less held to account of the rule of law, as well as the checks and balances and popular sovereignty that hold, democratic, governments to account. As FDR stated: "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power."
I always knew fascism as waaaaay different definition. Also, an absolute king, monarch would be a fascist too in your definition. That doesn't sound right.
I know fascism as the interweaving of totalitarism (you can't even be silent towards the party. If you are not freneticly chanting, you are a goner) and one group above/vs all others. Once the hostile groups are removed, you create new ones to fight against. For the system can not function without an enemy to hate/feel supreme over.
And that's the thing, fascism has no endgame.
An awesome analysis of one of the most underappreciated series of the year. Thanks, I really enjoyed this exegesis, and look forward to your next video.
Man I love your videos but doing ads for companies like this really contradicts and makes the message void
I mean, just cause they interpret this as the message of the show doesn't mean they agree with that message.
@@khanbw that is absolutely true, good point!
@Jeffrey Scott guess I agree, they do great videos! I just wish they promoted other things, but in the end I guess it's all the same, so while they keep making great videos I'm fine with it
What I notice about this show was the Boys went after Supes for revenge and none of them actually got it, which is something I really liked from the show, it doesn't just provide you with the endgame you want, it's rather grey and explores all the nuances.
I loved the character development of each of them, even the most inhumane of them are sketched with such innate vulnerability that makes each character, humane, this show transcends its own limitations in every new season, it's get better and better.
Probably one of the best shows of all time.
Does it change anything?
Yes. While the system we love in is far from perfect, I do believe it is a big step forward from kings, priests and peasants. How will the next step look like?
Also, it is extremely ironic, that a video about domination philosophy starts and ends with advertisement for an credit company.
We all, are in the pit.
Part of what helps domination is that they’re are people who don’t suffer as much, or partially benefit from the domination. So, rather than rise against it they will defend the dominators no matter what because the change that comes with it terrifies them.
How about the philosophy of "all adults are idiots" as it's illustrated in A Series of Unfortunate Events?
I'm waiting for Count Olaf to appear in an Epic Rap Battle.
Finished the show yesterday, soooo perfect timing thank you!!!!
The Boys is such a good show, can't wait for the second season. Also, Homelander was the best villain of 2019.
Rafael Alódio Thanos or Eobard Thawne we’re better.
Wow you did this series finally! Thanks!
That horse it aint dead yet.
homelander is literally Dennis from It's always sunny in Philadelphia
2:50 so the much "maligned" superhero origin stories are necessary after all aren't they? HERO origin stories that mean something and explain why people make choices and use their powers for good and aren't just "superpowered" douches like the people from the Boys. Still, fiction and different genres.
Cooperate-owned superheros is a horrifying idea
These guys straight up watched “ Comics Explained “ 5 hr video to make a 16 min video... lol
Super underrated video!
This isn't what expected when I saw "Philosophy of THE BOYS"
Same
Great job talking head Helen. Great episode. Love the boys and cannot wait for season 2
Nice lipstick
Thanks for another outstanding video.
When did jared get hot.
When he grew boobs and his estrogen level increased, if you're into that kind of thing.
Hey!
He's always been hot
I knew you guys were going to do "the boys". That show is so awesome, it needed a wisecrack video on it.
Like when a Government can take your property because a police officer suspects the property may have been involved in a crime? aka civil forfeiture. like that?
...Yes?
This is the most realistic portrayal of superheroes