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It’s still okay to feel bad about that, personally I’d love to have that kind of money to spend on the car because, if I’m being responsible, then it means I have more than enough to spend it on everything else. It’s like when people say yeah but if I make 100k a year instead of 50k a year I owe 3 times more in taxes than I did. Well yeah but you should want those problems. Being rich is hard and being poor is hard, choose your hard :$
As a Design Engineer the fun part of my job is designing for performance. The boring part is designing for reliability. Engineering at Ferrari must be all fun all the time!
This is where you see the huge difference between Ferrari and Porsche. You can trash your Porker all day around Nürburgring and it will just say thank you, another lap, please? Where as a Ferrari would be lucky to last 1 lap. Ferraris look and sound much better, no contest there, but in every other aspect Porsche is miles ahead.
I think, if you have a Ferrari it is best to be so rich that all your ordinary bills, for car repairs, new shoes, gardening, etc. are paid by your secretary, who dont give a damn and think it is peanuts compared to fuel to your yacht and your wifes shopping trips.
@@jimj2683 which part of 'audio engineer' that you don't get? Is it not normal for audio engineer to appreciate any effort in making video sounds great?
Great to see the Scud back with you! It always makes me chuckle when we buy an expensive car like this, any 'quality control' issues are written off as 'character' and 'unique personality', but the same issues in a basic Honda get labelled as 'crap quality from the company'.
Were the 430 Scud's basically 'hand-made', or has Ferrari implemented more of an automated 'assembly line' manufacturing system? The last 'factory tour' I saw seemed to indicate that each car was being worked on separately by groups of engineers who each assembled an entire car? Or do the put the cars on those 'wheel roller skates', and the each group of engineers assemble a specific aspect before rolling the car to the next 'crew'? One of the benefits of Mass Production is that the build quality is able to be 'perfected' and precisely repeated. Where with the Ferrari, someone probably just accidentally grabbed a couple longer bolts from the wrong pile, and couldn't be arsed to go back and replace them when he noticed they didn't quite fit...
The funny thing is that many 'luxury' items are actually 'inferior' to cheaper mass produced examples. Like a $5 Quartz 'Swatch' will be more accurate than a $500K Richard Mille mechanical/automatic watch! However at least with watches, the luxury brands are usually defined by their attention to manufacturing/finishing detail and material selection. While 'supercars' are appreciated for their appearance (from 10 feet away), and Performance (when they work).
Also, FERRARI just isn't the 'Top Of the Line' supercar where you should expect unmatched performance AND compulsive concern for flawless build quality/reliability... Ferraris are a RELATIVELY affordable 'supercar' that offer great performance (power/steering) and an enviable design (from 10 feet away), but aren't intended to feature things like exact panel gaps, impeccable paintwork or a complete lack of 'creaks/rattles/loose tail-lamps... If you want the WHOLE PACKAGE then it'll require graduating to something conceived to provide BOTH performance AND exemplary aesthetics, like maybe a Pagani or Bugatti. Of course it'll ALSO cost you a bit more than a rubbishly built, thrown together vehicle like a Scuderia.
I have a confession to make... I never have or will desire to own a Ferrari: I'm more of a Jaag / Bentley sort of bloke. BUT I truly love your Ferrari films. Your honest, passionate and authorative delivery and style are addictive. The sheer joy you excude from owning such a thing if beauty is plain for all to see A great watch!
A word of thanks Jay Emm. I purchased a Scuderia recently and have greatly appreciated your Ferrari content. It took 4 months and 4 cars before finding the right one. I look forward to driving the county roads in Northern Michigan in my first Ferrari. Keep up the great work! Best regards.
Yep. I had a F430 and everything was crazy expensive. The rear lights break the fittings holding them every 10 minutes . As you video shows you can't use the performance on the road . A quick dab on the power, lots of noise then you have to lift off. Motorways are different when quiet. Everything becomes a blurr very quickly . Sold it very cheaply and was happy to see it go.
Hey James... Fellow 430 Scuderia owner here, great to watch and share your journey. I feel your service cost pain, I've been taking mine to a reputable specialist for years (have owned my Scud for 10 years) and each year the bills have just gotten bigger. To start they went from 3K to 4K 'acceptable' incremental increases, up to my last years bill of £17k!!! gulp! Am now at the difficult cross roads of maybe time to sell, as much as I love the car it's just not sustainable to swallow these costs. Keep saying to myself - one more year and am sure I've broken the back of what needs doing.. ...so maybe one more year to see where I am ;-) Trouble is, as you say they are just too good. They'll neve make another Ferrari like it again and for its price point (IMO) unmatched. Enjoy the car for as long as you can matey and keep up the good work on the channel.
Lately Jay has been teasing with the F355 and 430 videos and I have been looking for some options from Italy, but then I watch video like this and decide to enjoy life with two kidney's.
The Scuderia is destined to appreciate in value like many of the other "special" series cars from Ferrari. I think you are doing the right thing. When things get tired or worn, replace them( while you can). Niggling problems detract from the joy of driving nice cars so it's worth it to keep it in tip top shape.
Kudos for your honesty James. It manifests the reality that this Italian prancing horse is put together by quite frail parts which perish rather quickly even with minimal use and careful storage. In short, they have built and quality issues en masse.
The reason for the low mileage might be that Ferraris are famous for being not reliable and horrible painful on long distances. My old boss owned a Ferrari and a Mercedes AMG and always when he had to go for distances above 100 km especially when some Autobahn was included he used the AMG. The cars where approximately the same age and he sold the AMG with above 150.000 km while the Ferrari was about 20.000. Interesting is that the service costs for the Ferrari was quite the same as for the AMG despite the fact that the AMG ran 7 times the distance.
@@habi0187 ok. I wanted to make sure I wasn't looking at it from an American perspective given you can have large distances between major cities. Every year I go from Cleveland to Detroit for the Detroit auto show which is about 650km roundtrip. I guess I'm ok spending a long time on the road with the occasional stop to switch drivers.
Just had the steering clock spring changed on the Toyota Hilux @ 210,000 km which I had minor heart burn when I heard the price…approx £600. Feeling better after watching your video 👍😂. Enjoy your work. Cheers.
Thanks for the transparency. The buying of a car is only 20% of the thing....the ongoing issues are the real thing. Deep down secret...drove an R32 the other day....and it made me super happy too.....maybe we all need a deep pause.
I'll never be able to afford a supercar so this is all irrelevant to me. But videos like this make me realise why a lot of people opt for the Audi R8 or something similar, for how theyre just easier to live with. I always used to think "well surely if youre spending 100k plus on a supercar itll cost loads of money to run, be atrocious on fuel and generally expensive - so why get a boring R8?" After seeing the extensive problems that certain Italian brand cars can have (Ferrari), I can now appreciate why a buyer may go with an R8 instead. The idea of buying a car like this and having it spend most of its life being repaired and churning out costly repair bills doesnt seem appealing to me
Really enjoyed the video James thank you, currently on Autotrader cheapest Scud is £150k most expensive £180k, so yes £10k hurts a LOT but worth it when it comes to resale and you have the enjoyment of knowing your car is spot on.
James - I’ve been indulging in your back catalog lately, although I’ve watched them all before, they’re well worth revisiting - outstanding videos. Thank you
Yes, I find a lot of JayEmm's videos are very rewatchable. Especially the ones where he tells us how much everything costs to maintain. I watch those everytime I need to talk myself out of buying a used exotic, lol.
Boss of mine got his Ferrari serviced at a dealership, they 'forgot' to tighten the wheel nuts and the car was violently vibrating on the way home 😮 SHOCKING
This has also happened to me when I had a Boxster, the bolts weren’t torqued up and so worked themselves loose on my trip back from the garage. It sounded like the brake pads were down to the metal, a constant grinding noise. Lost a bolt on that trip as well. At least the garage replaced it for free.
I took my GT4 to Center Gravity. They were great guys and I enjoyed the whole process of getting involved with Chris and Pete, understanding the changes they were making and how they would affect the car.
Makes me feel better about my recent major service/work on my cayman s 😂. They are a labour of love though and I would rather be driving it knowing it’s up together. Great talk through and it’s an epic car.
I'd replace the tail lights with the Scuding Swiss versions. Much better quality than OEM, and half the price. I have them on mine, along with their LED conversion kit. You can always return it to OEM in less than an hour, but a great upgrade that retains the OEM lighting.
Thank you for your video, it was good to watch! You should maybe ask the Ratarossa to service your Ferraris in future - he seems like the man that can get Ferrari things done properly...
Took my AM Vantage for its service yesterday, oil and brake fluid change £770! They do an inspection where they found my car needed an extra work totaling £5800! Ive worked out i can do all the work they say is need for way under £1000. For example i have a stuck exhaust valve thats stuck open (what a shame lol) The repair a complete new rear box for £3000! Rear fog not working the repair a new rear light at £1100. Hate going there but when the time comes people want that stamp in the book.
Interesting review. Sorry you had to spend so much to make it right. I have a 09 16M Scuderia which I bought in 2010 with 600 miles on her. I have put 38,800 service free mikes on her, and at last years service still had 92% clutch life, which even the dealer couldn’t believe, but such is the fact. Other than an annual service and tires the car has cost me nothing. It’s my favorite of the three I own ( six speed 360, and a Speciale) hope to never sell it. Put another 280 miles on her yesterday. Anyway, my 2 cents. K. Lombino
What I like about you James, is that out of the ton of supercar youtube channels out there, yours feels grounded... I dont know if I am conveying things properly. Take triple F Collection guys for example. That channel is too much. It feels completely out of touch with reality. It feels more like "flexing" material rather than something "attainable". I am not judging, nor do I criticize. Just expressing what feels better for me. Sometimes "less" is more. This is a video where you mostly just talk about the issues that your car has. It feels intimate. It really makes you appreciate what it realistically means to truly own such a car. Very glad to bump on your channel back with the Roma review. Keep up the good work.
I own a classic Ferrari Mondial 3.2 cabriolet. I’m glad you made the statement that you can either own one and maintain it and enjoy it or not. Yes there is an “F” tax on some parts and service, but the driving experience more than pays for itself. I am fortunate that I can perform most of my own service. It always needs something, but most used cars do. As a owner do your diligence to keep the vehicle maintained and drive it. A well driven Ferrari is much better to own than a garage queen. Cheers James and keep up the good work!
All good points but like all these expensive high grades, once the maintenance period runs out, they are got rid of like a hot potato and thus no investment value. The new buyers and owners don't know what a spanner is. Buy a Daytona, 512, 308, Mondial etc..
I have an F1 F430, love it to death. Definitely peak analog, you feel so connected to the machine and is forever intoxicating to drive. I've driven a Scud on a track a few times and is a great machine, but the near double asking price is definitely a hard pill to swallow, even if you have the cash. That being said most F430's at this point are somewhat ropey, and some improvements can be made to get you closer to the Scud experience, at a fraction of the cost: 1) Fresh Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres with Scuderia alignment specs for sharper handling and steering feel 2) Exhaust Valve Remote for better sound under 4k rpms 3) Scud Inc F1 Relay for better shift quality 4) Fresh Acculmator and F1 Fluid change, also for improvement in shift quality I haven't done it, but you can also remove the triangle shaped sound insulation in firewall bulkheads for more in-cabin engine noise like Scud Note: getting a car with CCB will increase handling/suspension due to less unsprung weight over uneven road surfaces If you really want to go hardcore, you could also add 430 challenge engine mounts and lower car on stock suspension, but I'm happy with my more road biased set-up
13:50 "You're doing road-legal speeds." My F430 is the only car I haven't gotten speeding citations in. Even in downtown Tokyo, it's so rewarding to just shift and brake as you meander through the canyons of glass and steel. The carbon fiber brakes are a bit touchy especially to release but having mastered it you're as smug as a cat owner whose cat only lets YOU pet it.
Sorry James, but it seems you have a not very well tight screw on the rear window/ bonnet: check it at 5:03! All the best for you. Keep the videos coming! Abraço
Regarding rear lights.. until recently I had a F430 coupe with the same issue. I bought a black Staedtler eraser from Amazon and cut it into small triangular wedges: stick one down the side of the light fixture and the body panel and it will hold it in place and stop it rattling. A good stopgap until you can get them fixed or replaced and means they wont shake loose and fall off (they are an expensive part as they are the same ones fitted to the Enzo)
Really interesting video, breaking down the costs. As someone who will never be in a position to own one, its really interesting to get an insight into the supercar world.
Excellent video! I've had my F430 spider for about 9 months now and i absolutely love the car, but the maintenance costs are draining me and i can't keep up😢
@Patryk Kaziow one of the 5 hoses that control the F1 gearbox went out and the hoses are $1200 each without labor and you have to replace all 5. I also just hit a large puddle of water that completely ripped off the bumper and diffuser. A new bumper is $12,000 without labor plus the cost of a diffuser
@Stan Lee lol I got caught in a rainstorm coming home. I was 5 minutes from my house and it went from barely sprinkles, to flooding. I learned my lesson
The key comment here is "when it IS done, it'll be perfect". Because it's such a highly tuned, delicate thing, it'll never be 'done'. It will always be waiting for the next massive bill to be paid, endlessly filling Ferrari's coffers. Quite clever of them really.
Those are all minor issues really. Although it may hurt the budget a little (or more) but once it's done, it will be done and an exquisite example. Good video/Info! I'm still searching for mine!
I enjoyed the real life style video. I appreciate your attitude about the car- drive it- enjoy it! There is a channel “Normal Guy Supercar” where he shows how to remedy those taillights. He has a lot of helpful videos on the 430…I don’t know exactly but I believe the taillight video is a few years back. Best of luck, cheers.
Really enjoy watching your reviews, if I’m looking for car reviews i immediately look at top gear/ fifth gear, and then yourself.. then check to see if Chris Harris has done a review.. you are excellent at this, show true passion for motoring which is what a lot lack, IMO. Like some feel like there reading off a script! Some awesome cars you’ve done, I can’t believe that bill! That’s insane! Thanks for the entertainment!
Whilst much was elective, I had a 355 for 4 years and drove it a lot. The average yearly costs on maintenance / paint (buttresses) … a stage 2 Capristo… were in excess of £8k. I could cope with that (just) but the intermittent issues with the engine eventually did it for me.
Hi James recently done the split lower outter suspension joint gaiters and track rod end covers on my old Zafira. Parts were £3.19 with Free P&P and as Im not a motor mechanic took me 20 mins...Seems you are being taken for a ride in your own car but I bet the dealership make you feel very welcomed with a great coffee and a warm doughnut.
Ouch, I feel your pain! Far too often, it is necessary to sort out a batch of issues when you take on a new Ferrari. It seems there are plenty out there who move cars along once issues develop and independent dealers happy to let them do it - at top prices..
I can beat that with ease. Took my V12 Vantage in for a service last year. They found that on the front brakes, one of the bolt heads from the 10 bolts that secure the carbon fiber brake disc to the hub had come off. The bolt shaft itself was still engaged and working in shear. They wanted to charge me £10k+ to replace the front brake discs and assembly because the bolts are not sold separately and everything comes as a complete kit......so £10k for one defective M6/M8 bolt. I don't think so. Lost a lot of respect for Aston Martin (Wilmslow) that day.....
Crikey, those prices! This is the problem with deferred maintenance, it costs a bomb to put it all right again. Considering that the car came from a supercar dealer, this is shocking.
Listening to you naming all the prices of everything needing done, somehow makes me feel a lot better about spending 2000 euro fixing the wheels and bodywork of my cr-z.
I fixed broken rear light units as it was only cracked mountings on them that had failed. Fixed all 4 units on my friends 430 several years ago. Removed cleaned and rebonded back together.
There are exceptions to the following...; you get a great deal but pay for it later, or you pay a high price for the best example (I bought a manual F430 with 1,800 miles a few years ago) and have some depreciation but avoid hefty service bills...for a time anyway. Either way, you bought the ticket so take the ride...
best thing ever was deciding to become a mechanic when I was 15. Even though I quit working as a mechanic at 30 years ago, I can fix any car. No one touches my Porsches, motorcycles etc.. The cost for non mechanics is insane. Problem with Ferrari, even the parts are insanely expensive. Been thinking about it, but keep saying no, but then the itch is still there.
Always looking at nice cars for sale etc. But then remember the necessity of main dealers and getting had for parts and servicing. It's a rich mans game
Love these type of videos. Seriously interesting and frightening in equal measure. Also really respect James' dedication to his cars and their prospective next owners. Nice work
Lucky you have lots of money. After your video, even if I had the money, I would not buy one. You have confirmed what I have been told numerous times. Expensive cars are mostly unreliable and expensive to fix. Enjoyed your frankness.
This is the reason I am glad I don't drive Ferrari's anymore. I don't think many of the items are really necessary that people do but in the UK at least there is this insane mindset about re-sale, mileage and FSH etc which of course is used by dealers and independents to their full advantage. End of the day it is just another car and a relatively simple one at that. Prior owner of my old 348 as an example had replaced belts numerous times and other "precautionary" items to the extend he had spent close to 20k in 5 years while driving maybe 4k miles in total. My last 430 also had a list of recommended items that in reality were not needed or could be delayed ever time I went to an independent. These days I prefer to drive an older car and work on it myself. If you can deal with the parts issues and want a Ferrari its dead simple to work on a 328 and older model and more fun. Personally I moved to a C6 Corvette and life is a lot easier, plus I can drive the care a lot more often without worry. No pre service to drive to Spain etc in the summer or worry about doing too many miles/resale. Yeah Ferrari a more engaging car but what's the point if you rarely drive it. Like dating a super model but not have sex with her as they say,
@@EvoraGT430 People don't like to admit it, but if your CONSTANTLY concerned about how everything that happens to the car will affect the resale value, then you CAN'T really afford the car... Just buy a nice framed poster of the car and put your money into something that earns interest.
I Bought my Porsche 997 from a Porsche specialist in London. They have been in business well over 20 years and talk the talk. But when I came to sell the car just over a year later, I found out that the clutch needed replacing. I thought the clutch was really heavy but when I queried it after I bought it, they reassured me that it was normal. Turns out, it is the first sign of the clutch going. The second sign is a shuddering when changing from first gear and lifting up. So they must have knowingly sold it like that. I am thinking if I buy a performance car in the future, take it to a specialist / dealer to check the car out before purchasing. Thoughts ?
If you can logistically negotiate it, a pre-purchase inspection from an independent party should always be pursued. Especially on anything over 5 years old it can and will make the difference between living a dream scenario and getting utterly hosed.
I came very close to buying an F430 back in 2020, but got myself a 911 GT3 instead. I'm just too chicken to take on the liability of owning one of these lovely Ferraris. Good on you for doing that!
Amazing story, very well told. As for your mystery noise, look at the roll bar end links. You'd be amazed how they can cause noise to sound as though it is coming from another place in the car.
Yeah, it's fun when someone's REPAIR BILL is nearly the same money you spent to actually PURCHASE your entire car! lol Like when James & Jezza compared their Bentley/Rolls repair bills, and commented about whether the shop had just put an entire VW GOLF in the boot! lol
IMHO 2008-2012 cars from all stables are the pinnacle of motoring, the last analogue cars. Things that came after have not aged well already and the unnecessary tech will always be the most annoying weakness. Great video, btw, what did you spend buying it? - A well sorted fully carbon example is rare and I am sure you will get your money back if you hold on to it for a while and keep the miles sensible. Enjoy!
Fantastic video. I’m currently going down rabbit holes daily looking at a Porsche Cayman. When I pull the trigger I will do my best to find a good one and do all the research/PPI etc but ultimately I’m changing my mindset towards the potential bills that may come with the territory 🤷🏻♂️ Got a Ford fiesta diesel atm, primarily just for the pottering about I do for my job. The suspension coil snapped 2 weeks after it sailed through its MOT. Cost me £100…still it annoyed me 😂
There is a pervasive attitude at present (and has been for quite a few years) about profiteering through the investing in cars. As your video shows the reality is it's very difficult to achieve - professionals do rune successful businesses but it's their day job and even they get caught out from time to time. So whilst I whole heartedly sympathise with your pocket emptying predicament I'm glad you've shared fully your experience as people need to go into these purchases with their eyes wide open and take a couple of reality pills before entering the dealership showroom. Incidentally, great choice the F430. A great Ferrari - along with the 612 - my favourite Ferraris of the modern ear.
Great vid, James!! This is the truth behind running all supercars!!! ... You are right.. just drive it!! Work on bringing in 10x the running costs in monetary terms.. and you'll be laughing as well as smiling!!👍🙂
Don't feel too bad. I've owned a Corvette since new. And have put nearly 120K miles on it. In the past 3 years, I've put $15K-16K into it getting it back to 100% operating condition. Most of the money was rebuilding the interior part of the HVAC and a failed fuel pump. The rest was mostly maintenance...brakes, tires, belts, battery, hood struts, bad oil sender, plugs, HT wires, coil packs...was it worth it....YES!!!!! 🍻
I do appreciate JayEmm’s videos as frankly they are the most accurate portrayal of Ferrari ownership costs I have seen. This is coming from an owner of a 360 and now a 430. A lot of the info out there focuses on the fact that the annual oil service is not that expensive. But a 15-20 year old Ferrari is never going to ‘just’ need the annual. On the 360 I did the a/c compressor, fuel pumps, convertible top hydraulics, brakes, tyres, belts, alternator, some F1 sensor gubbins (not too expensive actually) and a few other bits in my 2.5 years of ownership. 3 annuals plus brakes and tyres will be £5k let’s say. And then probably £5-7k on the other bits. So call it £12k for 2.5 years ownership. And the newer ones are worse, a mate has just been handed a £10k bill for four new adaptive dampers on his 458 These videos showing the reality of ownership are a lot more useful to aspiring buyers than the other much more optimistic stuff written when the cars were newer and inflation and supply shortages hadn’t hit the parts prices. And it still hasn’t put me off owning one…
Yep, and yet I still see people saying "Oh I don't want a 355 because the cambelt service is expensive" - that's going to be the least of your concerns
This is the first video i’ve watched on this channel. I like the presentation, great! The scud is my dreamsupercar, but for me it has to be a red one 😅
This thing sounds unreal, the kind of sound that even after all the doubt. Makes you want to keep it Auto gearboxes we’re never a thing I appreciated until I drove a friends 720s and I suddenly got it, a manual just isn’t quick enough to keep up and it was just too fast to think about changing gears with a stick.
As emotive as these cars are, they're made of butter, its just to much of a risk to own one... Well done for having the 'bottle' to own and show us all exactly what it takes !
£11k is a lot of money no question. However, I got a quote for £7k to do a load of stuff on my AMG Benz. (I’ll do it myself for half that, totally uneconomical and I like to DIY regardless). You could drive a skoda octavia diesel and get a massive bill for that. A colleague had a DSG failure that cost £7k to resolve. 😮 (DSG controller and wiring loom…) I remember Matt Farah saying buy the car and spend the money on a refresh and deferred maintenance up front right away, then you can enjoy it knowing it’ll be basic maintenance from then on. Glad you love the car.
Another great video mate. Always makes me wonder why these super cars always have so many trivial things missing such as rubber for fuel cap etc. And why someone never had things like that sorted asap. Bit like Rolex owners who don't keep box and papers 🤣🤣🤣.
Rattarossa can guide you on the headlamp internal polishing. He recently did a set on a 360 Stradale and is currently fixing up a 430 Scud right now....
I guess with these things it depends on how the individual feels about reliability. I get the idea of spending big £££ to have a toy you enjoy and makes you happy, but personally I'd be paranoid about day-to-day reliability issues (with good reason 😅) and nervous every time I take it to the garage. Which would hamper my enjoyment of it, even when it seems to be working fine. I need things I enjoy, but I really don't need hassle. Each to his own 🙂
Every video I have ever seen on supercar maintenance cost makes my Toyota powered S2 Elise even more loved. 5 years, a track day, 25,000 miles. Excluding 2 sets of tires and personally done oil changes, my costs have been...$0.
Three's definitely a benefit to sourcing your engine from some of the most ubiquitous and reliable family cars on the planet! Could you even just take the car to a Toyota dealer for basic engine maintenance issues, as long as they don't involve the supercharger? And I wonder, is a Pagani Zonda RELATIVELY cheaper to run than 'similar' super/hyper cars, since they use a 'proven' Mercedes AMG engine, rather than an exclusive 'in-house' designed/manufactured engine like Ferrari?
@@StreetPreacherr Yes, I could take the 2ZZ-GE engine to a Toyota dealer. However, there isn't anything in basic maintenance/upgrade/repair I cannot confidently do myself. It will be interesting to see how the AMG M139 engine plays out in the Emira.
Well all know that Lamborghini dealership. They are renowned for what you experienced. Maybe you should do a video on your experience with them. It would be very interesting indeed
A lot of money, but it could have been much worse. Age isn't friendly to supercars and bills are expensive. But what a glorious 430 Scuderia you have James.
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You car doesn't sound like a Scuderia, something is really wrong with the exhaust.
This video made me feel so much better about not being able to afford a Ferrari. Thank you James.
It’s still okay to feel bad about that, personally I’d love to have that kind of money to spend on the car because, if I’m being responsible, then it means I have more than enough to spend it on everything else. It’s like when people say yeah but if I make 100k a year instead of 50k a year I owe 3 times more in taxes than I did. Well yeah but you should want those problems. Being rich is hard and being poor is hard, choose your hard :$
And afford to maintain it
thing is i can do all thin my E type and look better in it for far less cash
Class is everything
I love the last year of E-type V12 cars. Automatic transmission & air-conditioning is required in Australia here.
@@lukespector5550 Sooner have one of those rather than any of those Italian junk box money pits
As a Design Engineer the fun part of my job is designing for performance. The boring part is designing for reliability. Engineering at Ferrari must be all fun all the time!
This is where you see the huge difference between Ferrari and Porsche. You can trash your Porker all day around Nürburgring and it will just say thank you, another lap, please?
Where as a Ferrari would be lucky to last 1 lap.
Ferraris look and sound much better, no contest there, but in every other aspect Porsche is miles ahead.
I disagree: at Ferrari, they never have engineered for reliability (at least as we mean it up here).
It's a 15 year old car
You must work for Land Rover...
@@jackdoe3889 actually Robert at Apex said their Ferrari was the most reliable car they had.
The more you use them the better they get
£1500 for a water pump, £1000 for tie rods? Ridiculous
I agree Bilal, a water pump for my E type is less than a third of that, and that's been out of production for 50 years!
Haha them two parts cost more than my MK4 golf GTi
I have an 06 Solstice and the waterpump is timing chain driven and defective by design. Over $1500, ivr been quoted up to $2400 to have it changed.
I think, if you have a Ferrari it is best to be so rich that all your ordinary bills, for car repairs, new shoes, gardening, etc. are paid by your secretary, who dont give a damn and think it is peanuts compared to fuel to your yacht and your wifes shopping trips.
I do believe on these it's a combined water and oil pump - and not something I can go buy from Bosch for £300
I'm an audio engineer and really appreciate the effort you put in to making your videos sounds great, thanks!
Thanks James, glad you enjoy them - I do try and get my sound right where I can
What does being an audio engineer have to do with that exactly?
@@jimj2683 Because that is the focus of his career, and as a result he likely recognizes an effort in that area? What is it you don’t understand?
@@jimj2683 DUH
@@jimj2683 which part of 'audio engineer' that you don't get? Is it not normal for audio engineer to appreciate any effort in making video sounds great?
Great to see the Scud back with you! It always makes me chuckle when we buy an expensive car like this, any 'quality control' issues are written off as 'character' and 'unique personality', but the same issues in a basic Honda get labelled as 'crap quality from the company'.
My thoughts exactly. As if Ferrari had a Get out of Jail free card.
Couldn’t agree more!
Were the 430 Scud's basically 'hand-made', or has Ferrari implemented more of an automated 'assembly line' manufacturing system?
The last 'factory tour' I saw seemed to indicate that each car was being worked on separately by groups of engineers who each assembled an entire car? Or do the put the cars on those 'wheel roller skates', and the each group of engineers assemble a specific aspect before rolling the car to the next 'crew'?
One of the benefits of Mass Production is that the build quality is able to be 'perfected' and precisely repeated. Where with the Ferrari, someone probably just accidentally grabbed a couple longer bolts from the wrong pile, and couldn't be arsed to go back and replace them when he noticed they didn't quite fit...
The funny thing is that many 'luxury' items are actually 'inferior' to cheaper mass produced examples. Like a $5 Quartz 'Swatch' will be more accurate than a $500K Richard Mille mechanical/automatic watch! However at least with watches, the luxury brands are usually defined by their attention to manufacturing/finishing detail and material selection. While 'supercars' are appreciated for their appearance (from 10 feet away), and Performance (when they work).
Also, FERRARI just isn't the 'Top Of the Line' supercar where you should expect unmatched performance AND compulsive concern for flawless build quality/reliability... Ferraris are a RELATIVELY affordable 'supercar' that offer great performance (power/steering) and an enviable design (from 10 feet away), but aren't intended to feature things like exact panel gaps, impeccable paintwork or a complete lack of 'creaks/rattles/loose tail-lamps...
If you want the WHOLE PACKAGE then it'll require graduating to something conceived to provide BOTH performance AND exemplary aesthetics, like maybe a Pagani or Bugatti. Of course it'll ALSO cost you a bit more than a rubbishly built, thrown together vehicle like a Scuderia.
20:17 - Emergency tyre foam . . . . £220.00
How will that differ to Halfords Emergency tyre foam at £5.99 ? (apart from the logo on the can!)
Wow !
It expands in a very stylish way and smells of Chanel No.5
@@DjDolHaus86 HAHAHAHAHA 😂
@@DjDolHaus86 . . . . . and its Red ! (not that you'll ever see it!)
@@DjDolHaus86 😂😂😂😂
I have a confession to make...
I never have or will desire to own a Ferrari: I'm more of a Jaag / Bentley sort of bloke.
BUT I truly love your Ferrari films. Your honest, passionate and authorative delivery and style are addictive.
The sheer joy you excude from owning such a thing if beauty is plain for all to see
A great watch!
I had a Jaguar and because of the costs I have become a “Toyota type of guy” 😂😂😂
@mikejoseph425 Well, I have to admit that I've had a few Toyotas over the years, and they were far more reliable than my Jags!
A word of thanks Jay Emm. I purchased a Scuderia recently and have greatly appreciated your Ferrari content. It took 4 months and 4 cars before finding the right one. I look forward to driving the county roads in Northern Michigan in my first Ferrari. Keep up the great work! Best regards.
I hope you enjoy it!
Yep. I had a F430 and everything was crazy expensive. The rear lights break the fittings holding them every 10 minutes . As you video shows you can't use the performance on the road . A quick dab on the power, lots of noise then you have to lift off.
Motorways are different when quiet. Everything becomes a blurr very quickly .
Sold it very cheaply and was happy to see it go.
Hey James... Fellow 430 Scuderia owner here, great to watch and share your journey. I feel your service cost pain, I've been taking mine to a reputable specialist for years (have owned my Scud for 10 years) and each year the bills have just gotten bigger. To start they went from 3K to 4K 'acceptable' incremental increases, up to my last years bill of £17k!!! gulp! Am now at the difficult cross roads of maybe time to sell, as much as I love the car it's just not sustainable to swallow these costs. Keep saying to myself - one more year and am sure I've broken the back of what needs doing.. ...so maybe one more year to see where I am ;-) Trouble is, as you say they are just too good. They'll neve make another Ferrari like it again and for its price point (IMO) unmatched.
Enjoy the car for as long as you can matey and keep up the good work on the channel.
Lately Jay has been teasing with the F355 and 430 videos and I have been looking for some options from Italy, but then I watch video like this and decide to enjoy life with two kidney's.
Bought from a specialist dealer and then hit with an 8,000 quid bill???? There must be some legal claim here. A better man than me!
Topped that with an Aston!
Buying from a dealer makes no difference to the quality of car you get….. I’m not sure why people think it does. Marking trick I guess
8k on a Ferrari Is normal
The Scuderia is destined to appreciate in value like many of the other "special" series cars from Ferrari.
I think you are doing the right thing. When things get tired or worn, replace them( while you can).
Niggling problems detract from the joy of driving nice cars so it's worth it to keep it in tip top shape.
Kudos for your honesty James. It manifests the reality that this Italian prancing horse is put together by quite frail parts which perish rather quickly even with minimal use and careful storage. In short, they have built and quality issues en masse.
I think the problems are often the cars just sitting - this one only did 6000 miles in ten years, that is not good for a car
The reason for the low mileage might be that Ferraris are famous for being not reliable and horrible painful on long distances. My old boss owned a Ferrari and a Mercedes AMG and always when he had to go for distances above 100 km especially when some Autobahn was included he used the AMG. The cars where approximately the same age and he sold the AMG with above 150.000 km while the Ferrari was about 20.000. Interesting is that the service costs for the Ferrari was quite the same as for the AMG despite the fact that the AMG ran 7 times the distance.
100km is considered a long drive? Seems like a short journey to me.
@@bmstylee to me as well but as to my old boss in a Ferrari 100 km is a long trip.
@@habi0187 ok. I wanted to make sure I wasn't looking at it from an American perspective given you can have large distances between major cities. Every year I go from Cleveland to Detroit for the Detroit auto show which is about 650km roundtrip. I guess I'm ok spending a long time on the road with the occasional stop to switch drivers.
It’s tough pill to swallow but an important one to share James, this is the reality of car ownership! Good on you sir!
It’s mad to think this channel would have been massive back in the 80’s and 90’s on TV. James is a brilliant presenter and deserves way more subs!
Just had the steering clock spring changed on the Toyota Hilux @ 210,000 km which I had minor heart burn when I heard the price…approx £600. Feeling better after watching your video 👍😂. Enjoy your work. Cheers.
Happy to help! If I'm feeling bad about Ferrari prices I just ask my friends what a Nismo part would be
Man did you get ripped off
@@bumfluffmcregor3730 yep. The oem part from Toyota is about £500…maybe time to move up to a Lexus…come to think of it, it’s probably the same part 🤔
Thanks for the transparency. The buying of a car is only 20% of the thing....the ongoing issues are the real thing.
Deep down secret...drove an R32 the other day....and it made me super happy too.....maybe we all need a deep pause.
I'll never be able to afford a supercar so this is all irrelevant to me. But videos like this make me realise why a lot of people opt for the Audi R8 or something similar, for how theyre just easier to live with.
I always used to think "well surely if youre spending 100k plus on a supercar itll cost loads of money to run, be atrocious on fuel and generally expensive - so why get a boring R8?" After seeing the extensive problems that certain Italian brand cars can have (Ferrari), I can now appreciate why a buyer may go with an R8 instead. The idea of buying a car like this and having it spend most of its life being repaired and churning out costly repair bills doesnt seem appealing to me
Really enjoyed the video James thank you, currently on Autotrader cheapest Scud is £150k most expensive £180k, so yes £10k hurts a LOT but worth it when it comes to resale and you have the enjoyment of knowing your car is spot on.
Good point… but I think this car was bought on finance ….?
James - I’ve been indulging in your back catalog lately, although I’ve watched them all before, they’re well worth revisiting - outstanding videos.
Thank you
Very kind thankyou!
Yes, I find a lot of JayEmm's videos are very rewatchable. Especially the ones where he tells us how much everything costs to maintain. I watch those everytime I need to talk myself out of buying a used exotic, lol.
@@stickshift6835 lol I know what you mean. Mate brought a 488 around, the other day, watching this has brought me back down to earth!
James, looks like there is a rear window bolt backing out. Hopefully you haven't lost it before this video came out 😮
They're not, some of them randomly sit proud, don't know why but it's a common thing on them
@@JayEmmOnCarsoh how very odd
@@BiglumpADV It's just an example of that famous Italian attention to detail!
@@JayEmmOnCars You got a Friday afternoon speciale
@@laurap3244 lmao
Boss of mine got his Ferrari serviced at a dealership, they 'forgot' to tighten the wheel nuts and the car was violently vibrating on the way home 😮 SHOCKING
I had that happen. Both front wheels only finger tight. They forgot the torque them up after it came off the ramp. Crazy how often it happens
This has also happened to me when I had a Boxster, the bolts weren’t torqued up and so worked themselves loose on my trip back from the garage. It sounded like the brake pads were down to the metal, a constant grinding noise. Lost a bolt on that trip as well. At least the garage replaced it for free.
Happened with my BMW. Thank god i had my tire iron.
Should have gone to halfords or quickfit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A similar experience (twice) is why I now service it myself. No one getting paid by the hr is going to care about your special car more than you.
I took my GT4 to Center Gravity. They were great guys and I enjoyed the whole process of getting involved with Chris and Pete, understanding the changes they were making and how they would affect the car.
I’ve taken a couple of Porsches to Centre Gravity and it’s transformed the handling both times, very good guys!
Makes me feel better about my recent major service/work on my cayman s 😂. They are a labour of love though and I would rather be driving it knowing it’s up together. Great talk through and it’s an epic car.
The first service of my C8 Corvette HTC Z51 was $400. That’s a full oil change with filter and a transmission fluid change with filter.
I'd replace the tail lights with the Scuding Swiss versions. Much better quality than OEM, and half the price. I have them on mine, along with their LED conversion kit. You can always return it to OEM in less than an hour, but a great upgrade that retains the OEM lighting.
Thank you for your video, it was good to watch! You should maybe ask the Ratarossa to service your Ferraris in future - he seems like the man that can get Ferrari things done properly...
Took my AM Vantage for its service yesterday, oil and brake fluid change £770! They do an inspection where they found my car needed an extra work totaling £5800! Ive worked out i can do all the work they say is need for way under £1000. For example i have a stuck exhaust valve thats stuck open (what a shame lol) The repair a complete new rear box for £3000! Rear fog not working the repair a new rear light at £1100. Hate going there but when the time comes people want that stamp in the book.
Best vid I’ve seen in a while! Good on you James for honesty revealing the true costs of ownership, but also the true worth and value of ownership!
Interesting review. Sorry you had to spend so much to make it right.
I have a 09 16M Scuderia which I bought in 2010 with 600 miles on her.
I have put 38,800 service free mikes on her, and at last years service still had 92% clutch life, which even the dealer couldn’t believe, but such is the fact.
Other than an annual service and tires the car has cost me nothing.
It’s my favorite of the three I own ( six speed 360, and a Speciale) hope to never sell it.
Put another 280 miles on her yesterday.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
K. Lombino
What I like about you James, is that out of the ton of supercar youtube channels out there, yours feels grounded... I dont know if I am conveying things properly. Take triple F Collection guys for example. That channel is too much. It feels completely out of touch with reality. It feels more like "flexing" material rather than something "attainable". I am not judging, nor do I criticize. Just expressing what feels better for me. Sometimes "less" is more. This is a video where you mostly just talk about the issues that your car has. It feels intimate. It really makes you appreciate what it realistically means to truly own such a car. Very glad to bump on your channel back with the Roma review. Keep up the good work.
I own a classic Ferrari Mondial 3.2 cabriolet. I’m glad you made the statement that you can either own one and maintain it and enjoy it or not. Yes there is an “F” tax on some parts and service, but the driving experience more than pays for itself. I am fortunate that I can perform most of my own service. It always needs something, but most used cars do. As a owner do your diligence to keep the vehicle maintained and drive it. A well driven Ferrari is much better to own than a garage queen. Cheers James and keep up the good work!
All good points but like all these expensive high grades, once the maintenance period runs out, they are got rid of like a hot potato and thus no investment value. The new buyers and owners don't know what a spanner is. Buy a Daytona, 512, 308, Mondial etc..
I gave up on Ferrari years ago. Lotus Exige S3 all the way. Never had any issues after 40k abusive miles.
That sound at 1:55. That’s why you persevere with it. Worth every penny!
Love your enthusiasm, insight and honesty. Maybe not for me but anyone who loves cars will understand why you go through the pain.
I have an F1 F430, love it to death. Definitely peak analog, you feel so connected to the machine and is forever intoxicating to drive.
I've driven a Scud on a track a few times and is a great machine, but the near double asking price is definitely a hard pill to swallow, even if you have the cash.
That being said most F430's at this point are somewhat ropey, and some improvements can be made to get you closer to the Scud experience, at a fraction of the cost:
1) Fresh Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres with Scuderia alignment specs for sharper handling and steering feel
2) Exhaust Valve Remote for better sound under 4k rpms
3) Scud Inc F1 Relay for better shift quality
4) Fresh Acculmator and F1 Fluid change, also for improvement in shift quality
I haven't done it, but you can also remove the triangle shaped sound insulation in firewall bulkheads for more in-cabin engine noise like Scud
Note: getting a car with CCB will increase handling/suspension due to less unsprung weight over uneven road surfaces
If you really want to go hardcore, you could also add 430 challenge engine mounts and lower car on stock suspension, but I'm happy with my more road biased set-up
13:50 "You're doing road-legal speeds." My F430 is the only car I haven't gotten speeding citations in. Even in downtown Tokyo, it's so rewarding to just shift and brake as you meander through the canyons of glass and steel. The carbon fiber brakes are a bit touchy especially to release but having mastered it you're as smug as a cat owner whose cat only lets YOU pet it.
Sorry James, but it seems you have a not very well tight screw on the rear window/ bonnet: check it at 5:03! All the best for you. Keep the videos coming! Abraço
Regarding rear lights.. until recently I had a F430 coupe with the same issue. I bought a black Staedtler eraser from Amazon and cut it into small triangular wedges: stick one down the side of the light fixture and the body panel and it will hold it in place and stop it rattling. A good stopgap until you can get them fixed or replaced and means they wont shake loose and fall off (they are an expensive part as they are the same ones fitted to the Enzo)
JayEmm you are a true gift to automotive journalism, unbiased, thoughtful and articulate delivery.
Here’s to you sir!
Thanks J B!
Thank you for being so candid. These sort of cars are unreliable and very expensive to fix. Unless you are rich, don't buy one.
Really interesting video, breaking down the costs. As someone who will never be in a position to own one, its really interesting to get an insight into the supercar world.
Excellent video! I've had my F430 spider for about 9 months now and i absolutely love the car, but the maintenance costs are draining me and i can't keep up😢
What did you have to do?
@Patryk Kaziow one of the 5 hoses that control the F1 gearbox went out and the hoses are $1200 each without labor and you have to replace all 5. I also just hit a large puddle of water that completely ripped off the bumper and diffuser. A new bumper is $12,000 without labor plus the cost of a diffuser
@@christianthearborist844 Well there's your problem!
Did you REALLY drive a CAR when there was still some moisture on the roads?!?
@Stan Lee lol I got caught in a rainstorm coming home. I was 5 minutes from my house and it went from barely sprinkles, to flooding. I learned my lesson
The key comment here is "when it IS done, it'll be perfect". Because it's such a highly tuned, delicate thing, it'll never be 'done'. It will always be waiting for the next massive bill to be paid, endlessly filling Ferrari's coffers. Quite clever of them really.
Those are all minor issues really. Although it may hurt the budget a little (or more) but once it's done, it will be done and an exquisite example. Good video/Info! I'm still searching for mine!
You on drugs
I enjoyed the real life style video. I appreciate your attitude about the car- drive it- enjoy it!
There is a channel “Normal Guy Supercar” where he shows how to remedy those taillights. He has a lot of helpful videos on the 430…I don’t know exactly but I believe the taillight video is a few years back. Best of luck, cheers.
Really enjoy watching your reviews, if I’m looking for car reviews i immediately look at top gear/ fifth gear, and then yourself.. then check to see if Chris Harris has done a review.. you are excellent at this, show true passion for motoring which is what a lot lack, IMO. Like some feel like there reading off a script! Some awesome cars you’ve done, I can’t believe that bill! That’s insane! Thanks for the entertainment!
Have you seen savage geese, love the detail in theirs, love jay-emm to for the honesty and the real work cars he drives/reviews
Whilst much was elective, I had a 355 for 4 years and drove it a lot. The average yearly costs on maintenance / paint (buttresses) … a stage 2 Capristo… were in excess of £8k. I could cope with that (just) but the intermittent issues with the engine eventually did it for me.
I had my F355 for a year, had a few issues, all fixed under Ferrari warranty. I sold it as soon as the warranty was due to expire. The fear was real
Hi James recently done the split lower outter suspension joint gaiters and track rod end covers on my old Zafira. Parts were £3.19 with Free P&P and as Im not a motor mechanic took me 20 mins...Seems you are being taken for a ride in your own car but I bet the dealership make you feel very welcomed with a great coffee and a warm doughnut.
Welcome to Ferrari maintenance... Not to be confused with Lotus.
31:53 oh that exhaust sound clip at the end sounds more like I expected of a Ferrari. Still not as wailing as I thought these were but lovely
James, can you put a price on pleasure….? Well, yes,but it’ll be in fine fettle when it’s sorted. £11k though👀
Another fine vid dude, keep em coming👍
Ouch, I feel your pain! Far too often, it is necessary to sort out a batch of issues when you take on a new Ferrari. It seems there are plenty out there who move cars along once issues develop and independent dealers happy to let them do it - at top prices..
I can beat that with ease. Took my V12 Vantage in for a service last year. They found that on the front brakes, one of the bolt heads from the 10 bolts that secure the carbon fiber brake disc to the hub had come off. The bolt shaft itself was still engaged and working in shear. They wanted to charge me £10k+ to replace the front brake discs and assembly because the bolts are not sold separately and everything comes as a complete kit......so £10k for one defective M6/M8 bolt. I don't think so. Lost a lot of respect for Aston Martin (Wilmslow) that day.....
Crikey that's eye watering!
Crikey, those prices! This is the problem with deferred maintenance, it costs a bomb to put it all right again. Considering that the car came from a supercar dealer, this is shocking.
Listening to you naming all the prices of everything needing done, somehow makes me feel a lot better about spending 2000 euro fixing the wheels and bodywork of my cr-z.
Hearing them quote 2500 pounds for a water pump makes me feel much better about having the pump replaced on my BMW Z3 for a fifth of that too
I fixed broken rear light units as it was only cracked mountings on them that had failed. Fixed all 4 units on my friends 430 several years ago. Removed cleaned and rebonded back together.
That's the plan
There are exceptions to the following...; you get a great deal but pay for it later, or you pay a high price for the best example (I bought a manual F430 with 1,800 miles a few years ago) and have some depreciation but avoid hefty service bills...for a time anyway. Either way, you bought the ticket so take the ride...
Good choice. That will hold its value well vs the F1 trashmission.
I'm not sure why I enjoy this guys vids but they are really good. Thanks James
Incidentally, in Zimbabwe your headlight issue is a $10 problem. I have done it a few times
best thing ever was deciding to become a mechanic when I was 15. Even though I quit working as a mechanic at 30 years ago, I can fix any car. No one touches my Porsches, motorcycles etc.. The cost for non mechanics is insane. Problem with Ferrari, even the parts are insanely expensive. Been thinking about it, but keep saying no, but then the itch is still there.
Another quality video James. It’s wonderful to see your authenticity.
Always looking at nice cars for sale etc. But then remember the necessity of main dealers and getting had for parts and servicing. It's a rich mans game
Love these type of videos. Seriously interesting and frightening in equal measure. Also really respect James' dedication to his cars and their prospective next owners. Nice work
Lucky you have lots of money. After your video, even if I had the money, I would not buy one. You have confirmed what I have been told numerous times. Expensive cars are mostly unreliable and expensive to fix. Enjoyed your frankness.
This is the reason I am glad I don't drive Ferrari's anymore. I don't think many of the items are really necessary that people do but in the UK at least there is this insane mindset about re-sale, mileage and FSH etc which of course is used by dealers and independents to their full advantage. End of the day it is just another car and a relatively simple one at that. Prior owner of my old 348 as an example had replaced belts numerous times and other "precautionary" items to the extend he had spent close to 20k in 5 years while driving maybe 4k miles in total. My last 430 also had a list of recommended items that in reality were not needed or could be delayed ever time I went to an independent. These days I prefer to drive an older car and work on it myself. If you can deal with the parts issues and want a Ferrari its dead simple to work on a 328 and older model and more fun. Personally I moved to a C6 Corvette and life is a lot easier, plus I can drive the care a lot more often without worry. No pre service to drive to Spain etc in the summer or worry about doing too many miles/resale. Yeah Ferrari a more engaging car but what's the point if you rarely drive it. Like dating a super model but not have sex with her as they say,
The thing is the guy with the 348 is the typical Ferrari guy - he could have done 5x the miles, and spent the same in maintenance
@@JayEmmOnCars But then the values plummet. Apparently Ferraris are not actually meant for driving.
@@EvoraGT430 People don't like to admit it, but if your CONSTANTLY concerned about how everything that happens to the car will affect the resale value, then you CAN'T really afford the car...
Just buy a nice framed poster of the car and put your money into something that earns interest.
It’s a lightweight special car so will always cost a fair wad, is what it is.
Cracking car enjoy James 👌🏻
I totally agree about buying what you love, investing in the experience and the ownership. If you win when you come to sell, good!
I Bought my Porsche 997 from a Porsche specialist in London. They have been in business well over 20 years and talk the talk. But when I came to sell the car just over a year later, I found out that the clutch needed replacing. I thought the clutch was really heavy but when I queried it after I bought it, they reassured me that it was normal. Turns out, it is the first sign of the clutch going. The second sign is a shuddering when changing from first gear and lifting up. So they must have knowingly sold it like that.
I am thinking if I buy a performance car in the future, take it to a specialist / dealer to check the car out before purchasing. Thoughts ?
If you can logistically negotiate it, a pre-purchase inspection from an independent party should always be pursued. Especially on anything over 5 years old it can and will make the difference between living a dream scenario and getting utterly hosed.
And won't most shops just claim the clutch is a 'wear & tear' item, and blame the damage on you riding it too much?
I came very close to buying an F430 back in 2020, but got myself a 911 GT3 instead. I'm just too chicken to take on the liability of owning one of these lovely Ferraris. Good on you for doing that!
Amazing story, very well told. As for your mystery noise, look at the roll bar end links. You'd be amazed how they can cause noise to sound as though it is coming from another place in the car.
I love these vids. It never ends. It's always something. Something that's ridiculously expensive. I drive a 2009 Mazda 2 (just turned 30km). Scooters!
Yeah, it's fun when someone's REPAIR BILL is nearly the same money you spent to actually PURCHASE your entire car! lol
Like when James & Jezza compared their Bentley/Rolls repair bills, and commented about whether the shop had just put an entire VW GOLF in the boot! lol
IMHO 2008-2012 cars from all stables are the pinnacle of motoring, the last analogue cars. Things that came after have not aged well already and the unnecessary tech will always be the most annoying weakness. Great video, btw, what did you spend buying it? - A well sorted fully carbon example is rare and I am sure you will get your money back if you hold on to it for a while and keep the miles sensible. Enjoy!
Amazed at £50 per wiper blade.. Glad you are enjoying it
Think a Bentley is only £35 each
Stealers.
I recently saw a German video about an AMG S Class, cabin air filter 650€
Fantastic video. I’m currently going down rabbit holes daily looking at a Porsche Cayman. When I pull the trigger I will do my best to find a good one and do all the research/PPI etc but ultimately I’m changing my mindset towards the potential bills that may come with the territory 🤷🏻♂️
Got a Ford fiesta diesel atm, primarily just for the pottering about I do for my job. The suspension coil snapped 2 weeks after it sailed through its MOT. Cost me £100…still it annoyed me 😂
There is a pervasive attitude at present (and has been for quite a few years) about profiteering through the investing in cars. As your video shows the reality is it's very difficult to achieve - professionals do rune successful businesses but it's their day job and even they get caught out from time to time. So whilst I whole heartedly sympathise with your pocket emptying predicament I'm glad you've shared fully your experience as people need to go into these purchases with their eyes wide open and take a couple of reality pills before entering the dealership showroom. Incidentally, great choice the F430. A great Ferrari - along with the 612 - my favourite Ferraris of the modern ear.
Great vid, James!! This is the truth behind running all supercars!!! ... You are right.. just drive it!! Work on bringing in 10x the running costs in monetary terms.. and you'll be laughing as well as smiling!!👍🙂
Don't feel too bad. I've owned a Corvette since new. And have put nearly 120K miles on it. In the past 3 years, I've put $15K-16K into it getting it back to 100% operating condition. Most of the money was rebuilding the interior part of the HVAC and a failed fuel pump. The rest was mostly maintenance...brakes, tires, belts, battery, hood struts, bad oil sender, plugs, HT wires, coil packs...was it worth it....YES!!!!! 🍻
The sound is just awesome. And who needs the 1000 horsepower of a SF90 if you get the drama of the 430 Scuderia.
This makes me feel really good about my Mini maintenance and repair bills.
I do appreciate JayEmm’s videos as frankly they are the most accurate portrayal of Ferrari ownership costs I have seen. This is coming from an owner of a 360 and now a 430.
A lot of the info out there focuses on the fact that the annual oil service is not that expensive. But a 15-20 year old Ferrari is never going to ‘just’ need the annual.
On the 360 I did the a/c compressor, fuel pumps, convertible top hydraulics, brakes, tyres, belts, alternator, some F1 sensor gubbins (not too expensive actually) and a few other bits in my 2.5 years of ownership. 3 annuals plus brakes and tyres will be £5k let’s say. And then probably £5-7k on the other bits. So call it £12k for 2.5 years ownership.
And the newer ones are worse, a mate has just been handed a £10k bill for four new adaptive dampers on his 458
These videos showing the reality of ownership are a lot more useful to aspiring buyers than the other much more optimistic stuff written when the cars were newer and inflation and supply shortages hadn’t hit the parts prices.
And it still hasn’t put me off owning one…
Yep, and yet I still see people saying "Oh I don't want a 355 because the cambelt service is expensive" - that's going to be the least of your concerns
This is the first video i’ve watched on this channel. I like the presentation, great!
The scud is my dreamsupercar, but for me it has to be a red one 😅
This is why I do my own work. Many of those parts can be found cheaper, and these cars are easily some of the most easy post 1980s cars to work on.
Hi, great video; you buy the car because it gives you great pleasure driving it & owing something special - ENJOY IT 😊
This thing sounds unreal, the kind of sound that even after all the doubt. Makes you want to keep it
Auto gearboxes we’re never a thing I appreciated until I drove a friends 720s and I suddenly got it, a manual just isn’t quick enough to keep up and it was just too fast to think about changing gears with a stick.
Great video and really like the comment about enjoying your cars!
As emotive as these cars are, they're made of butter, its just to much of a risk to own one... Well done for having the 'bottle' to own and show us all exactly what it takes !
Nah
Certainly the suspension is butter.
£11k is a lot of money no question. However, I got a quote for £7k to do a load of stuff on my AMG Benz. (I’ll do it myself for half that, totally uneconomical and I like to DIY regardless).
You could drive a skoda octavia diesel and get a massive bill for that. A colleague had a DSG failure that cost £7k to resolve. 😮 (DSG controller and wiring loom…)
I remember Matt Farah saying buy the car and spend the money on a refresh and deferred maintenance up front right away, then you can enjoy it knowing it’ll be basic maintenance from then on.
Glad you love the car.
Another great video mate. Always makes me wonder why these super cars always have so many trivial things missing such as rubber for fuel cap etc. And why someone never had things like that sorted asap. Bit like Rolex owners who don't keep box and papers 🤣🤣🤣.
Rattarossa can guide you on the headlamp internal polishing. He recently did a set on a 360 Stradale and is currently fixing up a 430 Scud right now....
I guess with these things it depends on how the individual feels about reliability. I get the idea of spending big £££ to have a toy you enjoy and makes you happy, but personally I'd be paranoid about day-to-day reliability issues (with good reason 😅) and nervous every time I take it to the garage. Which would hamper my enjoyment of it, even when it seems to be working fine. I need things I enjoy, but I really don't need hassle. Each to his own 🙂
Every video I have ever seen on supercar maintenance cost makes my Toyota powered S2 Elise even more loved. 5 years, a track day, 25,000 miles. Excluding 2 sets of tires and personally done oil changes, my costs have been...$0.
Three's definitely a benefit to sourcing your engine from some of the most ubiquitous and reliable family cars on the planet! Could you even just take the car to a Toyota dealer for basic engine maintenance issues, as long as they don't involve the supercharger?
And I wonder, is a Pagani Zonda RELATIVELY cheaper to run than 'similar' super/hyper cars, since they use a 'proven' Mercedes AMG engine, rather than an exclusive 'in-house' designed/manufactured engine like Ferrari?
@@StreetPreacherr Yes, I could take the 2ZZ-GE engine to a Toyota dealer. However, there isn't anything in basic maintenance/upgrade/repair I cannot confidently do myself. It will be interesting to see how the AMG M139 engine plays out in the Emira.
Well all know that Lamborghini dealership. They are renowned for what you experienced. Maybe you should do a video on your experience with them. It would be very interesting indeed
What's the name of the dealership?
A lot of money, but it could have been much worse. Age isn't friendly to supercars and bills are expensive. But what a glorious 430 Scuderia you have James.
Like so many used sports luxury cars that have become affordable to buy , cost of maintaining them will always be full retail.
Goes to show even getting a used vehicle from a dealer, an independent assessment is very important.
Sadly I've had them on other cars before and they've still not found everything. I am sure not all of the issues I had were there at the point of sale
what a wonderful car, inside & out, love the "rawness"
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