What is Schizoid Personality Disorder? | Kati Morton
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Not just being alone. It's the fantasies for me. Having conversations with myself and with others (in my head) is fun and allows for that social release.
Is that a trait?!
@@josephhaslam4724 dude, how does he talk to “other ppl” in his own head?
Do you give your own voice a different narrator? My nephew has this (I think) and I’m concerned how to approach him. He stopped smiling in all our family pictures about 10yrs ago. Idk what to do with him
Same here. I have schizoid, and it's just a lot of daydreaming for me. I listen to some exciting song, relax, and imagine how a fictional interaction with someone else would go.
Yep. The world in my head is exponentially more entertaining than most people can provide me....
@@h20dynamoisdawae37really? I may also a schizoid then?
Being schizoid is like floating on a raft in the middle of an ocean with another person who keeps asking you for directions.
No ambition, no aspiration for relationships, feeling empty or incomplete at most times, constantly keeping up a charade to the extent you lose track of your own personality, lack of a moral compass all the while experiencing it as if you're watching a movie passing by.
And even with therapy and encouraged socializing with other people there are times, mostly when alone, that I drift swiftly back into the mindset of someone caged by lack of satisfaction.
The worst part was that once I was made aware of my own behaviour, it still seem natural to me.
I liked your description of the illness. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to have this illness. Sometimes I idealize it. Doing that is probably wrong. But I imagine it being like total self-sufficiency. But i gather from your description of the illness that it is still very painful. Is the withdrawing painful, or only relieving?
@@c.s.quarterport999 self-sufficiency maybe, content hard but possible, fulfilled only temporary schizoid and pretty hard
I have never experienced an better explanation how it feels in this situation .
I get you man 👊🏻 I suffer from schizoid personnality disorder too ...
Skelezig sounds like my brother.
I absolutely hate having to interact with anyone. It's so draining. Whenever I have to make conversations it's super awkward and I have no idea what to say bc I dont care.
I feel like I'm acting all the time, and it's super draining
@@monicacamargoadamski8563 I can identify with the ‘acting’ part.. there is no real me, I just put on a mask when around people
this is so me
agreed and i don't like it. Personally i need help.
people will think you are lying too. its like no. i really dont care.
Where's my Schizoid gang at? 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
Get away from me
I LOVE this comment lol
Fucking asshole, I love you.
That's why I'll stay the farthest from you
LMAOOOOO
God I fucking hate my life although I'm trying to get away from it as much as possible
I feel this comment
Shout out to all my SPD compatriots out there potentially writing long winded/ winding comments expressing something. And then deleteing it, to re-write it shorter and less personal and then not caring so post nothing instead. Me to friend, me to.
Look at me though! I commented! I might open my e-mails next week too. (Mfw resisting urge to delete last bit)
at least im not the only one who does that shit
I can certainly relate. Though I don't have any issue checking e-mails, since practically all of them are business related or spam mail anyway.
@@RialuCaos That's the goal for me. I won't log into my e-mail cause even opening the interface is like an "interaction". Business or otherwise. I have 29 unread messages on my phone as well (awkward laughter).
That's more like avoidant personality disorder - they are known for deep emotions but fears of rejection and anxiety. "rewriting something with deep emos afraid to post" is not exemplary of a schizoid person. The fear of action is distinctly avoidant. Schizoids are less sensitive to social emotions like praise and devaluation.
@@plainlyjane6540 no fear or deep emotions, just apathy and paranoia. Things aren't deleted because of fear or anxiety of others perceptions. Simply because the "interest" has to be mustered up and the potential of others to know things about oneself is undesirable. Through text and language personal tid bits are offered and people can read into and potentially find out about a person through this. knowledge of personals belongs to the owner of said personals. "This knowledge is mine and I don't want people to have it in their heads".
After doctoring the text to remove any particular "personhood" to what was written; Satiating the desire for isolation in anonymity, (even in connotation, nuance and choice of words.). After already hurdling the barrier of "interest" in the first round, it appears a second time in "care". most often, not.
TL:DR. not afraid or anxious. Just pervasive and debilitating "lack of interest".
My main struggle with SPD is honestly people that see it as a problem when I don't and so they try to "fix" me. I've been going to therapists for nearly 10 years to "help" me with my lacking of wanting to have social relationships, and it would always end up failing because I feel miserable when I'm constantly around people. It's like a sensory overload where other people's voices are too loud and annoying and you feel they're invading your personal space and it's just awful, but if I avoid social situations sometimes people get angry or believe I don't love them because I don't want to be around them. And that's not like it. I just need my space like everyone, but I need it a 97% of the time.
If your beloved has SPD and you worry they don't love you because they never tell you, just know that we communicate differently. Instead of words, sometimes a simple hug or or a smile means a lot more. it depends on the person, maybe they wouldn't hug you but would prepare you a cup of tea as a way of showing you they think and care about you. We're all different and we experience SPD differently, but the most important thing for us is for people to be patient and understand that we don't work like they do.
I felt every word of this 😢
i hate when they try to "fix" you.
This is also known as IDGAF Syndrome.
wastky intensifies
You actually give a fuck, but you don't show it outwardly.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 nailed it bro
We wish
Yes.
i strongly believe I have this. I used to think that I was just an introvert but with my behaviors and the ones you described, I matched every single one of them. my mom thinks that I don’t like her because I don’t talk to her as much, and it’s just because I enjoy being alone though I hate being lonely. she also points out how I never show emotions or little emotions to things. people at school tell me how I always look upset. this girl tried to invite me to her group on my first day of this new school and I sat with them for like 2 days, but I just began to sit off to myself and realized that I would prefer it that way.
i also don’t feel like i have a purpose in life and I know I do but it just doesn’t feel like it. i just hate how im only 16 missing out on my life except for I’m the barrier and the reason why it’s on pause. i look at my other classmates lives and just generally other teens and see how normal they are. they have friends even if they don’t always talk to them and are going places even if it’s not every week. they have things to talk about and probably are in relationships. i want to be regular and feel regular emotions, and i want to not always feel lost and have stable relationships with people.
even if i do talk to people or go places, i end up reverting back to the same dull emotions once before and wishing to be by myself anyhow. its just one gray life i have, and i don’t see it changing at all. that is not living. at all.
😢😢😢😢
Hi. Fellow army here. sending you love that things will get better on your end 💜
Honestly I feel like I have kind of the same thing (with a few differences). When I was in high school, I always used to sit by myself either reading or doing something on my own. I was completely entertained by what I was doing though other students found it weird because I didn't really talk much. And now in university, it's the same thing. I like being alone and usually don't hang out with people unless we have a group project. I think the difference is though for me is that I'm not completely emotionless? I am capable of showing emotion but the longer I am with someone, the more I find it hard to respond animatedly. And I think I come off as rude a lot. I think I have avoidant personality disorder but I have some similarities with this disorder as well. Im still trying to figure myself out.
First of all being a teenager sucks that's a fact. I'm currently 35, but when I was younger and lonely it was hard. I had to deal depression and emptyness, so what I'm gonna tell you is that it can get better, even though it's not easy.
You need to embrace who you are, you'll even be able to enjoy the company of others and they'll understand after a while that you need your own space.
Also you have to learn how to pretend to care about peoples problems sometimes, that's what they need, if you learn how to do that, they'll start to see you as person who's just quiet. Not that it matters much what other people think, but being around others will help you grow and achieve the things you want in life. You just need to learn that you can spend a few hours with others and then days by yourself and then repeat.
It took me my whole 20's to understand that what I felt was normal and that I could enjoy the company of people when they were meaningful and interesting in some way. You can be on your own and still be happy. You need to find what it is that you like in life and go for that, and we know it's not being with other people. The best way to learn how to deal with what we might have is to focus on yourself, in what you want for yourself, what it is that you need to feel good.
This is why it's harder when you're a teenager, your world is still small and you're still tied to what society thinks it's best for you. But if you keep in mind that you need to work on yourself, you'll eventualy find some peace. This will definetely enhance your ability with others.
When I was seventeen I grew tired of sitting in the corner by myself during breaks, I wanted to experience what other people liked so much about being communicative, so I decided to talk to literally everyone in school, people found it weird, but funny and bold at the same time. After a while everyone knew me and wanted to talk to me, eventually I grew tired of that and started to get back to my normal, people would come after me but I could choose with whom I would interacte more. It was an achievement, an experience which made me feel good about myself, then I dropped it and moved on to new things in life.
I see people who like to be alone as individuals who need to accept that they want to be alone, to work on themselves, to develop and have experiences. We're happy as long as we're growing, and the fact that we don't like to be around other people very often is that unfortunately we need people that makes us challenge ourselves, they need to be more interesting than ourselves (even when we think we're not that interesting).
I'm not gonna say it's easy, but understanding that made me learn how to deal with the times I'm feeling low as I know what's missing. I know I need to be constantly doing something that will demand from myself, the thrill of working on myself feels really great, and being alone is perfect for that.
I don't know, hope this can help a least a bit.
I feel like i have the same thing but mine is internal. Its like i force myself to do things and to act like i have emotions so people wont think im weird. Its a mask. Ive always been a floater when it comes to friends. Im good at molding to become peoples friends cause i dont have a natural state of being.
3 things at y'all for information/input:
1. Self diagnosis is not reliable and can be harmful when you end up claiming a disorder that you dont actually have, because it might lead to destructive self medication or misrepresentation of the disorder infront of others that might stigmatize the disorder further or make people that actually have it feel invalid/confused. It's alright to research, but don't say that you are "figuring yourself out" please. If you think you might be affected, visit a professional and get a proper diagnosis. It's alright to write about how you feel and that you think you have a disorder, but please dont say "i have this" when you are not diagnosed.
2. SzPD does not mean beaing completely emotionless. Schizoids aren't robots. They can feel lonely and happy and excited, it's just much rarer or less intense.
3. Describing your behaviour of ditching people for alone time is fine, but what matters more is how you feel (ironically). Do you actually want to be left alone most of the time? Do you feel stressed/drained if you spend to much time with people? Do you feel pressured and stressed out if someone that you have been interacting with on a superficial level (for fun or for filling the bit of social need that you might still have) is trying to actually get close to you? Self diagnosis isn't a great idea but it's not just the observable behavious that is important, but also your subjective experience. If you ditch people because you are anxious about how to interact with them, if you are scared of making a fool of yourself infront of them or smth, that might point more towards avoidant personality disorder for example.
I think the most annoying thing for schizoids is that "normies" take it personally. They take zero time to educate themselves on SPD (instead assume it means schizophrenic) and just think the schizoid person is being rude or dismissive. If people would just recognize that it is what it is and there is nothing personal about it, "relationships" with others would be easier on both ends. I think the stress people put behind us to socialize is frustrating and only makes us want to retreat further into our own little world of solitude. It seems more socially acceptable for someone to lie to get out of an obligation/invite than just tell the truth. Personally, I just tell the person I don't want to go/hang out/etc. and would rather be alone. Of course, I am an asshole for being honest. Had I been like the majority of people that produce an excuse to get out of something, the other person is totally fine with it... even if they doubt their excuse. -But- I am the one labeled with a "disorder"?!
Yeah..we aren't afraid of rejection but we just don't get it when people just can't understand what we need- which is limited interactions. So the best thing is we prefer to be alone.
Exactly. I literally need to talk it out to them one by one that it's not personal. They think that I'm being rude or just don't like them but in reality, there's no such feeling towards them really. I need to tell them "I don't hate you, you're not boring, or I don't love you less, nothing personal. it's just me, I just need to be alone."
What's wrong with being an asshole?
@Sky Doll Care to explain?
What's funny is I live in a big city and I've been bullied in most of the workplaces I've been in for being a schizoid. Everyone expects me to talk to them and share my personal life with them, ask questions about them, etc. but people just drain all my energy and I don't feel obligated to become friends with my coworkers. I shouldn't have to get personal unless I want to.
I have the official diagnosis - you're description is spot on. Just got back to school to learn a new profession and by far the hardest part of it is the social interaction within the group. The courses and exams are not a problem but sustaining group interaction for a whole day is a real challenge. Therapy can give you tools to be able to fake successful social interactions short-term but it's impossible to keep up the act for very long so the SPD always become apparent sooner or later, as the energy level gets drained more and more the silence and blunted affect resurface. So the people you tried to befriend feel betrayed by the sudden shift of attitude and it creates ressentment. And if you just refuse to make any effort because it's too demanding, then you get shunned day one. So one way or the other it's a real big obstacle to life success. No wonder most people with SPD just give up having any ambition in an attempt to conserve energy.
If you're diagnosed-
Hello, im diagnosed spd, i wanted to find a schizoid in therapy to talk to and ask questions or compare
You can benefit too maybe you can ask whatever, I've been in therapy for a year, comment here for contact info if interested.
@@ManilMopas Did you stay silent with people a bunch of times for no reason and if so how this works in your mind? What kind of thing you think?
Wow, thanks! You hit the nail right on the head! That is me spot-on!
It seems a person with SPD would not really care whether they get “shunned” or not within a social group.
@@Aerosol_Masking I do not care about being shunned on a personal level, but having to complete a course with mandatory group asignments when all your collegue hate you or openly mock you makes everything much harder. So SPD people tend to have low life success level because careers won't adcance unless one engage in the social theater.
They're 'meh' personified.
Pretty much
People never quite get that when I say "okay" to their attempts to talk to me that I'm not trying to be a dick, or being bitchy or edgy... I'm just trying to end the interaction as quickly as possible so that I can go back to not interacting with people :P
What if I still enjoy interacting, but only with a few *certain* people?
And if I’m schizoid, does that mean that I can’t genuinely *love* somebody?
@@dj3us Most of what neurotypicals (NTs) think or say about schizoids doesn't make much sense. Most NTs assume that frequent (and often mostly meaningless) social interactions are a meaning of life, so they heavily depend on their social interactions. It is hard for NTs to realize that being a schizoid is actually a gift, an edge and a significant advantage, especially in today's society.
Can u have schozoid snd autism same time
Loved being alone for nearly all the time I’ve been alive. Have or have had maybe 2 close friends that I fear I am losing due to this. Not wanting or having the desire to meet up with them and since leaving school I hardly ever see them anymore. The time spent with them has just reduced and they just don’t bother asking me if I want to meet up with them anymore which makes me feel like a bad person because obviously it’s my fault.
Literally all I do is go to work and go to my grandmas and when I’m at home I just sit in my room on UA-cam or play video games.
What’s annoying is that I miss school now because I was forced to be there and was a time where I was actually interacting with people. I hated it at the time but only in hindsight I realise I miss it because now I hardly see anyone.
It’s all confusing cause I want to be alone because of this condition but I want to feel “normal” at the same time. I wish I had the desire to be with friends and go clubbing but it just doesn’t bring me joy. I wish I wanted to be in a loving relationship but I just can’t take it seriously and whenever people seem to like me or take interest in me I just think “why?”
Sorry for the long comment but if anyone actually read it I just wanted to type this in case anyone relates and for myself to get it out of my head and in public because anonymously on UA-cam would be the only way lol
Exactly same but younger
I just cannot stop dreaming.I cannot concentrate on studies etc
You're not alone bro! We're in the same boat!
Have you been diagnosed? Because your literally describing how my life has been for the last 8 years, I’m thinking I should be tested.
doubt you’ll see this but relate to this so much, especially the csnt take a gf serious part. i literally just can’t, and ik what u mean… lol. why are we like this
If you are afraid of losing your friends you are probably noy Schizoid, so there is that.
This is the most spot on diagnosis for me. My entire family thinks I despise them because I have no desire for interaction or communication. My mom used to scream at me and ask me what was wrong with me because I lacked any empathy or expression to situations or things people would say. When people express emotion towards me or try to get me to show love or affection I just feel so drained and exhausted to the point where I just feel anger and frustration towards the person; not intentionally. The problem is I know what I’m doing, and I can see how it affects the other person, but I can’t physically bring myself to act any differently. My jobs have suffered so much because of this. I feel as if I’m acting every single day of my life and I get no breaks. Work conversation is just so mundane and frustrating to me I just want to scream and tell people to stop talking or trying to make conversation with me; it seems so pointless and I don’t understand how people do it or enjoy it even. I quit jobs because of this. The emotional burden is just too much on me. I have no friends, literally zero. And I have no desire to make any. I know my family sees me as such a disappointment and I don’t know what to do anymore.
I relate 💯💯 Ive even considered taking on a night shift job where social interaction is more limited and I can sleep through the day when most of the world is awake
There are many reasons why I haven't done this but they're all to do with not being allowed basically and being restricted by family members obligations
I think it was Heinlein who said schizoid personality is pandemic in the physical sciences because test tubes and lab rats are so much easier to get along with than people. Do you have any technical interests that could become a career?
I'm nearly fifty years old and have always struggled socially and financially. Over the past year, i have become convinced that i have SPD. I fit the criteria, but have been unable to get a formal diagnosis, as the psychiatric services here work extremely slowly. In addition, I have severe difficulties with motivation and in holding down work, even though i have a number of skills that ought to make me employable. i don't think i have the same internal reward system that most people seem to, so that i feel largely neutral about my achievements on those rare occasions that i actually complete a project.
And you don't need to worry about that.
Well that sounds exactly like me, especially having a different internal reward system. I think the reward system for most people is just more stuff and status which is clearly just drivel. Maybe you're actually more evolved?
I've been diagnosed with this. I just simply prefer being alone and find others to be annoying and needy.
Same
Ok so you are an introvert, whats wrong with that?
@@leifkhas7425 for me, the only person that I’m close to is my self; or to be exact my fantasy world and what I imagine myself to be.
@@wibolium9639 The self is when you can truly be comfortable.
@@leifkhas7425 I would have if people had more courage.
I was diagnosed with SPD, however the one thing that confuses me is that I don’t really have a flat affect but pretty much everything else checks out as it did in the diagnosis. I don’t feel warmth from compliments but say thank you out of politeness. My social circle is my immediate family and if it does branch out I only talk to an occasional romantic partner. I don’t really care to befriend their friend circle because I don’t feel like adding their drama to my life (and believe me, they usually bring a fuccck ton of drama). If the relationship ends, I don’t have a reaction to it and move on with my solitary lifestyle as if nothing happened. I can easily function in social surroundings but really need alone time afterwards because it leaves me feeling absolutely fucking drained. My favorite activities are playing video games, watching UA-cam videos, and making mixed drinks out of whatever comes to mind whilst listening to metal. All things I most prefer doing alone in my home
Definitely can related to that!! Other people and their drama is intolerable at this point. Won't show up to holidays, weddings, etc... idgaf... personal space is non negotiable...
Screw people and their needy a$$es... like a dog humping your leg!!! Ew, go away! Lol 😂
The last part is perfecto 😂
This reminds me of the cartoon character “Daria” which just happens to be one of my all time favorite characters. I can probably relate to her more than anyone I know in real life.
"I actively work to make people dislike me, so I won't feel bad when they do". Many times she admits that she is afraid of being rejected or criticized аnd many times she shows severe frustration when there are problems with friends and relationships. She is also very sensitive up to psychosomatic manifestations. I think this is not a classic schizoid. Or possibly comorbid with avoidant disorder.
I was diagnosed with SPD last year but I've had those symptoms since I was a child so with time I got really good at faking it around others. Not many people understand why I don't want to get married and be constantly around other people. They always think I can "get better" with time.
Ugh... the faking it is so annoying. I've had to set some very blunt boundaries with people.
Faking is strange. Sometimes I get really into it and when I'm done interacting with that person I get so tired.
It's hard to keep up with "nornal" people. They have instincts and intuit things that I have to logic through to simulate. They are full of goals, whims, and complex social games... all of which it is almost impossible to care about. 😋
I would say that faking it to pass as normal can be very tempting at times. Alienation is the closest thing to loneliness that I feel. Sometimes it is kind of nice to not be as different as everyone else... even though it can't last and is draining.
Y understand you because I'm schizoid toó. Sorry,my english is not very good. Greetings from Argentina.
I am still waiting to meet a single "normal" person in this thing called life. God help us all
What is normal to you lol
Haha we all have a bit of every single disorder.
No one is normal.
Nobody is normal, they are all just broken in different ways.
I’m normal
Im a self diagnosed schizoid. I truly have no desire to connect with anyone, whether it be friendship, family or romantic.
I don't mind people for 5 minutes but I couldn't care less about getting to know someone.
I only make an effort with work colleagues because past experiences have shown me to at least put a mask on. Otherwise I attract unwanted attention.
People say I'm a closed book, hard to get to know but the truth is I have nothing to say.
I have a good sense of humour and can get on with most people but I don't go beyond that. I simply have no desire to connect with anyone.
I have no fears, desires, anxieties whatsoever. I'm aimless like a robot waiting to be given commands.
When people get emotional I don't know what to do, or care to respond. I'll just walk away and come back when your in a good mood.
66kaisersoza same
you can't self diagnose personality disorders, period.
"I only make an effort with work colleagues because past experiences have shown me to at least put a mask on. Otherwise I attract unwanted attention."
Or the ire and retaliation of those who feel rejected.
@@copycat7657 I don't mean in the literal sense
@@copycat7657 yeah, only psychiatrists can read books and when they see you for 10 minutes to diagnose you based on their standardized tick-box-questionaire, they know all about you. of course you can self-diagnose if you don't just read the diagnostic criteria, but do your research. i'm the expert of my condition. some professionals don't even know the term(!) schizoid PD and many more don't really know what a schizoid is. even the dsm and icd don't do that properly, as has been criticized by many, and rightfully so.
Thank you! I thought it was just another name for schizophrenia. Thanks for all you do with mental health education.
I love your blouse too 🙂
Stacey Romero same
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Thank you for taking time to educate yourself.
This disorder is NOT the same as schizophrenia. Keep researching my friend
@@kippykimber3170 key word: "thought".
You always upload the perfect thing when I'm researching it, thank you!
Yay! xoxo
Yep, this is 100% me. I have always felt different from others. I have never really liked being around others.
I hope you found the video a bit helpful :) xoxo
Self diagnosed?
I like the final part when you said that nobody can push the schizoid to get help if they are ok with that. I like it to be alone, I always have been like this and I didn't had a trouble since a few months ago that I started to go to therapy and discovered SPD... I think that I needed to hear that :)
What do you do about sex ?
@@TheVideoLounge sex? What is it?
@@alexandrakulanova5722 Exactly, it was a genuine question and it may be uncomfortable but it's probably one of the most important things that we have to deal with.
I don't know how it is for females, but for males it's like you're almost constantly hungry, you can satisfy it for a while but then it soon comes back again.
I love that you write everything you talk about in the description, it’s really helpful so thank you for doing that, I really appreciate it😊❤️
Side note, I was wondering if u could do a video on the connections between Tourette’s and OCD, or just similarities and differences between the two.
Love your channel,very educational and easy to understand...btw can you make a video about schizoaffective disorder someday? Thank you so much for sharing!
This video came at such a good time. A close friend of mine called me the other night and said he thinks he might have this. Which is odd for him to do that because he never talks about having any “problems”. Sounds very accurate to his symptoms though, thank you for this!!
Sometimes though it is possible to be a combination of high functioning autism, avoidant personality disorder and Schizoid or a combination of any two. I think there aren't always clear cut black and white boundaries as, for example, social avoidance and social anxiety could eventually lead to schizoid, as a coping mechanism. It's a very tricky one and questionable as to whether some of it is actually genetic, in influence. Perhaps throughout history there have always been loners, those that find people and crowds to be mentally draining and it's often a trait of certain creative types as well. It's a tricky one because the less social skills one has, the more they can be shunned by others, the more challenging, frustrating and stressful they can find it and so they withdraw from others most of the time or even get so absorbed in their creative work/projects. Sometimes it's a case of putting some allocated time a side, per week, for being with other 'people' otherwise one could totally loose touch.
I think this is me...
I remember learning about SPD in my abnormal psych class a couple years ago in college but it was great to learn more and be reminded!
Same that for avoidants and all across the board in the spectrum of mental health. The first rule is the best rule. Take care of yourself first. It's the only way to good health. The only person you can ever control is YOU and YOU ONLY! Live Like It!
I heard Ski Zoid won a gold medal at the robot Winter Olympics.
My shizzle!
😂
That is awesome lol
Family member has this and I'm trying to learn. 💖 thank you so much.
thank you for this video. my 25 yr old son has this disorder. i've known he was different since age 5 but he's highly intelligent so everyone used that as an excuse to explain him being "different". he hasn't left the house in years and two years ago i made him go see a psychiatrist one time (hoping he'd go more) and she diagnosed him with SPD. ever since that day i had answers to his whole life. i now understand (as much as someone without the disorder can) him and we actually get along. he smiles now - real smiles. and he does a little small talk now. i am sad he won't experience life like i'd hoped but i'm happy knowing he's relaxed and happy now. i still have hope he'll step out into the world again and be around others.
Hello, reminds me a little of my case, even i believed that my differance from people was caused by my intellegance, im 25 and im looking for schizoids in therapy to share or compare expiriences, if your son is in therapy and also interested comment back to please, im diagnosed and in therapy for 1 year
I recently knew about this "disorder" and I'm thinking maybe I fall into this category. My family member used to tell me I was like an emotionless robot or machine. but I didn't believe it because I thought I had something like emotion. I get angry, I get sad, I get happy. However I must admit I always feel overwhelmed by how emotional 99% of other humans are. I don't have that much amount of emotion. I haven't been another person so I can't compare myself to others. To me, I'm normal. I'm entirely content with myself. but at the same time, it looks like other people are always raging or frantic.
Probably I wouldn't have any problem even if I live in a space craft by myself without meeting anyone for decades. I'm like a plant. What frustrates (in my standard) me is that people see me sad or depressed or lone when I'm totally happy with the solitude in the beautiful nature or quietness. This is probably how I learnt how to force myself to pretend to be emotional and I started developing OCD.
I relate heavily to this. From a distance, a lot of humans seem very reactive at first sight. The world tends to condition folks to act with an impulse instead of thinking it thoroughly.
What a life changing video. All my life I've struggle to love my mother when she comes across as cold and uninterested in me or my life. She regulary says hurtful things that leave me angry. I will cerainly be more understanding from now on. She had an awful childhood. Thanks Kati.
Tonight starts my first night of college. Im doing medical assisting and i will have a psychology class. Im ready lol. Thanks Kati for all your videos
Yay!! You are going to be great!! xoxo
You ARE aware that Medical assistants are expected to interact with patients and coworkers almost CONSTANTLY?And they expect"nice" affect...
@@Katimorton Are you nuts? This poor creature is in for a very rude wake up call!! Do you have ANY ACTUAL credentials? Being schitzoid is NOT enough to SAFELY give medical advice!!!!
Thank you for making this!
You are so welcome :) xoxo
I so totally appreciate you & your gifting in your profession Kati!! #BlessingsFromLompoc
Of course!! SO happy to help :) xoxo
Kati Morton hi Kati, does psychosis includes nightmares like dreaming with monsters?
There was this guy I met that I thought he was a psychopath. He was so calm and expressionless, his eyes were almost dead. He didn't seem to have a problem with staring into my eyes for a very long time. But at the same time he didn't seem as someone who's dangerous, but I did feel very uncomfortable. He was also very comfortable with silence, too comfortable but I wasn't so I kept talking lol. He didn't seem to be aggressive nor he showed any sign of having a bad past with hurting people or animals, he in fact very much likes cats. He was just so passive and uninterested in anything but sex, he wasn't even trying to manipulate me or force me into having it, he was actually very respectful. Is it possible that he had Schizoid personality disorder and not Antisocial personality disorder?
kiss4strawberry I think I met the same guy lol
Sounds right
I have built this disorder since I was betrayed by my two girl besties. As a shield against pain it works perfectly. I got used to it and In the end I don’t care… 🤷🏻♀️
That sounds more avoidant, but wtv...
I've never really looked into SPD but it's kind of spot on in it's description. I actually couldn't have described myself better lol but i will say this.. Not giving much of a reaction to others strong reaction ( like bullies) can lead to violence. I've experienced this through the years. They try to bully.. You don't care.. They respond with physical violence.. kind of like that.. thank you for making these videos.. And you are right.. I'm not gonna go to a therapist lol
I feel like this is me and I enjoy it. I'm never attached to anyone and I don't feel much for others. I have no interest in making friends or hanging out with people, I'm fine and dandy by myself. I do love my mum and she's one of the only people I'm close to but I really don't feel attached to her like I should do.
I only ever feel attachment and real emotions around animals. Maybe I'm autistic.
I'm crying... I JUST GOT READ!! thank u
Nailed it kati!!! I love learning about new things!!💖
I want to say thank you for the part where you said it is important to not try to change them.
My (not ex) wife, when I was diagnosed, just would not let up on wanting to "fix" me, and that pretty much broke any form of trust I had towards her, and well, was part of the reason we are no longer together. And even though my therapist even explained that you shouldn't force a type of treatment, she couldn't let it go.
There were also other problems, too, so I'm not going to say that this alone was the cause, but it was one of the final straws. And I have no ill will towards her, she and I just weren't compatible.
But I'm rambling, but really do appreciate you being clear that you shouldn't force the change or treatment.
I love you Kati!
7:24 is the most important and best part.
Because the rest of it can seem like putting a label of "personality disorder" and "distortions" on someone who's different but not doing anything bad nor hindered by who they are. I've found this true for a couple of other personality disorders.
If the person doesn't mind it and they're not actually hurting anyone or society, I don't call it a disorder cause it's not a problem.
unfortunately, a part of this disorder is that everything seems fine when its not.
I have SPD and for years i tought i had ASPD while faking my diagnosis to be ASD. But i knew one thing for sure, ive always been so much diffrent towards other kids, i never understood why people were laughing for stuff and why people took in pets and such things, and my parents hated me being so emotionaly cold. So i hate them for trying to change me and complaining about how im not how they wished i was. as soon as i can get a job ill live on my own, never see them again and perhaps go for a carreer. I just like how you told ppl at the end to let us be who we are. Its bad for evryone to do otherwise. Cheers
I feel like I've developed it being 19 or 20. I always considered myself to be shy and just lacking in social skills. After researching, most disorders were hit and miss as far as diagnosis goes. Later, I read about "schizoid pd" form some random forum and I've basically 'ticked' all the boxes in the diagnosis section. I'm 23 and even though I've hanged out with people, I've never considered them as friends nor really cared about them. My own father seems like a stranger to me and I basically have no feelings for any person in my family. Girlfriend is not a possibility. I'd say the worst thing about this disorder is that people don't believe that there is anything wrong with you and that you should simply try harder to gain social skills. It's truly the worst feeling where you're isolated from people and yet you feel good about it.
This disorder begins at infancy and escalates from there, usually you would feel something is off at s young age
@@ManilMopas I definitely did always fell like I don't fit in or lack social skills. It became very apparent at 18-19 when I had to live with roomates. Before that, I could easily evade interacting with people.
@@ARG23supreme im diagnosed with it and i do therapy, u can try too, let me know if u do try and actually get diagnosed
@@ManilMopas Which therapy have you found to be effective ?
Thank you. I dated someone for four years who I suspect had this and bipolar disorder. He knows that he doesnt feel emotions and doesn't see a problem. The manic episodes gave him the closest thing to desire that he could get to regarding sexuality, but it wasn't desire in a physical sense.
Over time, I couldn't even try anymore because he had no remorse for h7rting me again and again. I cut ties.
He believes himself unable to be in any kind of friendship or relationship and barely engages with family.
I wish him well.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience.. and I am so sorry you had to go through that. xoxo
Sorry to hear your experience and very glad you've shared this with us.
Thank you, Lisa for your forgiving attitude. I think that's huge of you!
Katie, I am grateful to your work in the end. Gradually, I am getting there. Yes, there is no cure, we enjoy life differently but jobs are challenging.
I've actually been curious about this for a while, thanks for the clarification ^^
Nailed it again. Thank you. You're so awesome
So glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful!!! YOU are awesome!! xoxo
this sounds like one of the many responses to trauma. do you think most "disorders" are certain clusters of symptoms that are responses to environment (trauma) ?
I think a lot of mental illnesses can be caused or exacerbated by trauma, but there wasn't much information available about the cases of SPD... I will look into it more!! xoxo
There are not alot of studies or resources for people with SPD because they rarely seek treatment and their negative symptoms tend to not cause very many life events that trigger encounters with therapy. I can also imagine that SPD is hard to treat and study because the apathetic nature of the disorder can be a huge obstacle for clinicians to make progress.
There are indications of both environmental and biological factors for SPD. There is a statistically significant increase in SPD diagnosis among families with a history of Cluster A diagnosis (especially schizophrenia.)
In my personal experience, SPD and trauma go hand in hand but not in the way that most people think. SPD predisposes the individual to trauma by robbing them of the four things neccesary for resiliancy: a strong support system, personal emotional insight, pleasurable pursuits to engage in for self care, and the ability to clearly express oneself to others when things are going wrong.
SPD and trauma often go hand in hand, as Mike said, but he is incorrect that the usual causal relationship is of SPD --> trauma. This is not true, to the point it's the complete opposite.
Trauma is an early experience for many SPD patients, in fact from their childhood in the form of abuse and neglect - before ANYONE can adequately possess the four things he mentioned, nor should they be expected to, because they are a child. A child is incapable of those things which is why they are protected and cared for in the first place, and can't be said to be "predisposed" to trauma.
*There is a significant number of child abuse cases in SPD patients which is why trauma is thought to be a factor that causes SPD* (child learns she cannot depend on parental/guardian figures who are supposed to protect/love her, hence she becomes self sufficient and independent of relationships, social interaction, needs a lot of alone time, etc).
Of course there are people who didn't have much trauma as a child who developed SPD, and he might be right that SPD individuals may fail to create a support system around them that would be helpful when a trauma does occur to them. But to say that that is the primary and distinguishing relationship between trauma and schizoid personality would be very wrong.
You can google more but here are a couple links just on top of my head:
scielo.isciii.es/pdf/ejpen/v24n1/original4.pdf specifically page 41 (4/8). Psychosocial Determinants-Poor Parenting, Neglect, Rejection and Abuse of Children
qr.ae/TUGme0 Quora answer written by a psychologist who wrote a book on SPD
Rishi Eastwood In my experience, it's actually been the opposite.
That seems like a likely explanation. In my case, I gradually became anhedonic after several occurrences of extreme emotional trauma throughout my life. I'm not certain that SPD would accurately fit me in my youth, but it certainly fits me in adulthood.
Thanks Kati, your an interesting person. I was treated for about 9 months by a clinical psychologist phd with verbal therapy,no pills, who also used bioenergetics.I was able to work at a professional level job, but not very effective at times.I went in for one hour each week. I got excellent results with the clinical psychologist but I did some more work with Option Dialogue method to ferret out beliefs cause me to be anxious or depressed.Also some reading and workbooks on low self esteem. The clinical psychologist as I was leaving the treatment said I used to be schizoid or schizotypal. I did have some bizarre delusions at time.All is good now, that was 20 years ago.Thanks for your talk.I still want to learn more about myself to continue to improve.
I am told by my mom that I was a little ray of sunshine as a child.
However I completely changed over time
I'm 53 now and only recently realised that I slowly lost my sunshine as I wasn't loved as a child. I grew up with angry parents who had a hands off approach to child rearing
I was never hugged and never heard the words "I love you"
My moms family were the same to us.
But..its ok..
I'm just glad I finally understand myself.
Also..I love my mom..she's old and knows she could have done better.
We're friends now.God heals the broken pieces.
I remember a few years back trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. I stumbled upon info about SPD and when I read up on it, I just hanged my head. It's gotten worse over the years. I meet ALL of the markers for SPD. Every single one of them, including the sub category ones that weren't in this video. Even my one close friend and my dad, whom I'm pretty close to have had to bear the brunt of my SPD. I don't really know where to go or what to do. Cant afford therapy right now. Feels like I'm just waiting to die. Maybe I'm just distancing myself from important people so when I go they'll already be used to me being gone.
No honey you have been in survival mode for so long that you don't realize that you are in survival mode anymore.
I've been diagnosed with both avoidant personality disorder and schizoid personality disorder. I have most of the symptoms of schizoid personality disorder, but I'm not sure that is what I have. I do care about how I come across, and I do have some desire to socialize. I'm not apathetic about some things, but I pride myself on my objectivity.
Love the video, as always ! Could you maybe do a video about the most common mental health disorders you deal with and what specific psychotherapies you practice and where you learned them ? :)
You're the best UA-cam channel. Thanks!
Having comorbid anxiety issues makes SPD really difficult in a lot of ways. My social anxiety often leads people to get the wrong idea about me. Even more troubling, it gives them a window into what feels like my soul, which I would never give, had I the choice. I just want to be able to portray the indifference I feel internally, but to do it in a way which maintains the barriers between self and other I need while not being maladaptive in terms of professional outcome. My anxiety is completely extraneous to my desires. It's a compression artifact, an autonomous function which has gone off the rails. I'm constantly balancing this irrational desire to perform "well" socially with the desire to just be left alone, while battling constant societal messaging and imagery telling me that what I want is wrong and unnatural. It's exhausting. Completely and utterly exhausting.
whoa….. same. whoa..
It's basically the opposite of Avoidant Personality Disorder, I don't understand why they would be collapsed together. Avoidant people are overly concerned with other people and don't feel worthy of healthy relationships. But they long for them, painfully, daily. SPD people are fairly cool with being alone; AvPD never are but don't have the self esteem to be able to interact. It's one of those things that if you don't have it, it's nearly impossible to understand. When SPD are alone, they're getting what they want and need, but because AvPD have to be alone, they will never get what they want and need. They might look similar on the surface, but they really are opposites.
Kindsey Rowe I hope you seek a diagnosis. It's scary, but don't ever assume you've got something without checking into it. For instance, you might have avoidant traits that could be treated with CBT. At any rate, therapy could help you sort out your actual life priorities (as opposed to media representations of what we should want) and what sorts of things to look for in other people to find the ones that you are more compatible with. Good luck. :)
Thank you so much for sharing!!! I honestly think they are seen as connected because not all mental health professionals spend enough time with people before trying to diagnose them. Thank you for laying out the differences so plainly. xoxo
God I'm the same with relationships and I've identified with traits of all 3 of those diagnoses
There is considerable overlap and many schizoids have avoidant traits, the medical establishment is also considering dropping SPD and diagnosing schizoids as either avoidant or schizotypal. It's not as simple as schizoids feeling comfortable being alone and avoidants hating being alone - many schizoids for example are ambivalent about their social isolation. The key difference is that schizoids are highly aloof and detached, but these two disorders are definitely not opposites.
ck2d you are wrong. Schizoids are also highly anxious and trust me I do care about what others think of me to an extreme extent, I just don’t have the desire to connect like an avoidant, true it makes me able to handle being alone but deep down I don’t want to live like this, I’d die just to be normal and relate with humans and feel emotions even for a short time and this really is the feeling that is at the core of every schizoid.
Thank you ❤
Your videos are always great information ans helpful.
Interesting. Last year my therapist diagnosed me at first with paranoid personality disorder but when he asked me more about how i feel, what i like to do and if have any real connections or goals in life, he came up with this disorder. To be honest, it makes more sense to me. I always prefer solitary activities, don‘t desire close relationships and the main emotion i feel is rather indifference than paranoia. Apparently it’s true, it’s very easy to misdiagnose personality disorders. Thanks for this video, it helps 👍
Love you Katie! 💗💗
Interestingly enough,
My wife drives me deeper into my Schizoid because she always wants me to respond with feelings and we get into a big argument. I can’t say the truth nor is it acceptable to her,
Also, the popularity and benefits of Stoicism is making a big comeback!
@Mary Carroll Why would any of what op says imply ops wife is “narcissistic”?
@Mary Carroll I didn’t suggest you weren’t just asking. My question was what in ops comment led you to wonder about op’s answer to that particular question.
I was told I had this disorder a number of years ago, but never really looked into beyond the initial diagnosis. Now it all makes sense..
Your videos have been such a helpful resource for me. Thank you
First i was like oh shit I think I have this and then I remembered I'm the most depressed person I know
Yikes
Depression and SPD aren't mutually exclusive. Schizoids are commonly depressed.
Oh shit
This sounds like me ...I just heard about this
But like ...it could be autism
I think that I do care about what other people think
But I'm not sure
My feelings are a bit robotic ...I feel like I'm in control of them except for when I feel overwhelmed
I never made a connection with another person
But I always blamed it on being different
If I found someone who is like me then maybe i could connect with them
I stopped taking to people after highschool and I dont feel loneliness
I dont miss people
My mom said that I just drew in kindergarten and didn't talk to the other kids so I was born with this but I did stop caring about my grades in highschool
But it was a depressive episode caused by headaches that made it really difficult to sit in class
I felt like there were too many obstacles and made myself stop caring
Now I didn't have any friends for two years and I don't know if it's bothering me
But I might not be putting in effort to change because i just gave up because i don't know how to find someone who is like me
I think that my lack of interest isn't in relationships but in everybody I ever met and think that I might meet
I'm procainating because I'm afraid that I won't find anyone
I'm just not interested in socializing the same way everybody else does
I'm nice but basic politeness and caring about what is right doesn't make me fun
I haven’t heard about this. Thanks Kati
You are so welcome!! xoxoxo
OMG!!!! This absolutely described me spot on. I'm in my 60's and have never been to a therapist but I meet every criteria of SPD. I guess it's too late to get help now.
Please explain and describe "psychotic episode." because due to the economy in the rural area I live in I had to take a position that puts me front and center of a fast paced office area where I am constantly surrounded by people asking questions, needing assistance from me. I mean it is seriously like a swarm of bee's around me all day every day and by the time I get home I am so overwhelmed that I am on edge and any little thing sends me into rage!
Is it weird that I like being not well adjusted socially?
No
I like to think of it as a unique perspective on the world
No
No.
It used to be called independence and strength of character. But of course, nowadays a shrink would tell you otherwise (if only you pay them).
Thank you for making people with SPD not look weird
Thanks Kati! I appreciate all that yo do xx
3:16 i love how you say "We"
I`ve never seen any other video, where all the symptoms fit so well to me.
The problem is, I hate being numb to any situation, whether it`s good or bad, and because I don`t really care about anyone (my family included) and anything, I don`t see any reason to stay anymore...
Therapy then
I finally have a name for what I thought was just my broken personality.
Thank you!
I’ve never heard of this before! Thanks for the great video :)
I love what you do, Kati!
i have NO relationships except family that lives with me...i dont talk anyone outside if i dont have too
Good - people are rubbish - stay away from them.
@make foxhound great again no
@make foxhound great again i find that fixing things is better than talking to people
@make foxhound great again no i dont think do...i am paranoid people are talking about me be i dont hear voices in my head or anything
@make foxhound great again maybe im a secret schizoids
So intresting kati, your hair looking fab😉
Awe thanks Donna :) xoxo
Hi dear Katie! Have you worked with a medical interpreter and a client? If so,how did the session go? I am a new Portuguese community/ medical interpreter and would like some tips,especially in mental health. Thanks and I am very grateful for the work you do!!
dear Kati , 💕 thank you so much for sharing ! 🌸 love and respect your profession :)
It's probably off topic but I absolutely love your blouse😍 (?) I think it's called that. But yeah, great video🤗
Thanks!! I just got it off of ebay! haha!! xoxo
Shaxxy very colorful top...i agree. 💐flowers are awesome!
Kati Morton which store I like to purch. 1 for my wife.
hi
I thought the same thing! It's very pretty.
Do I need bob the builder to fix this
I suspect my teenage son has this. Once I learned the symptoms, I have been digging into it and everything and I mean everything seems to fit. Even his former therapist found he has a complete flat affect and he just didn’t care. She thought it may be alexathemia but our city it’s impossible to get into a psychiatrist or psychologist for a formal diagnosis. He is always alone and seems to love it that way. Zero desire for any relationship even with us. Time will tell but all signs seem to point to schizoid personality disorder.
you are SO good in this!!! you are helping me a lot with my exam. :)))
Eventually, without passion or joy or interest or fulfillment, Life becomes very meaningless, grey and boring. I realized in my mid 30's when my Ma - the person who I was 'closest' to - comes to visit and after 5 mins of Small Talk I absolutely nothing to say to her, can't dig within and find a single relatable commonality with her.
And I realized if I couldn't with her, I couldn't with anyone. And now my isolation was no longer a choice, it was an Island I may never be able to return from....
It's starting to seriously affect the outcome of my life. I wish there was something I could do for myself.
Finally this video came out, I've been getting treatment for this
I was diagnosed in 1980 in a 10-15 minute interview. I never really thought about it until recently, and when I looked it up it didn't sound like me.
So I'm going in for a proper diagnosis at the end of the month.
How would one begin to differentiate this from chronic depression (dysthymia)? I am under the impression I may have either, especially with the research I've conducted that seems to explain that schizoid personality disorder (SPD) seems to occur on a spectrum and how chronic depression can manifest certain behaviors indicative of SPD, even more so if a major depressive episode happens.
whenever you mention any symptoms in any video I'm immediately like: "wait, I occasionally feel vaguely similar to what you just described!!!!1!!!1 AM I BROKEN"
Sometimes I hate that human brains are made to look for patterns.....
Same
.
We arent broken.
Umm... so there is a name for this this Barnum effect.
Give people a vague description like a horoscope and they agree with them.
5 of 7 symptom fits me
@Sadie Bedard spd is largely based on the internal experience of the person rather than the outward symptoms shown. it's very important to do extensive research before deciding that you even might have it. at that point see a professional. do not self diagnose. many people who fit the symptoms do not have the disorder.
Didn’t get a notification 😯 but thanks for the information as always ♥️
HI Kati! I was wondering what you think of those with mental illness going into the psychology field as a career? I know becoming a peer mentor is a job one could have, and I plan on getting my doctorate despite the fact that I struggle greatly with mental illness. It would be great to have some encouragement or insight! Thanks so much for all you do.
I was also wondering if you could talk more about schizoaffective disorder? It is something I struggle with and it is a very debilitating disease. There is such a stigma with psychotic disorders and I really want to break it. Having someone like you talk about it would be so encouraging and I love that you make me feel not so alone. Thanks so much for all you do!
Thank you Kati
So this whole time I've been pronouncing it "skit-zoid"
That seems to be a UK pronunciation... it is at least a common variant.
You are pronouncing it right. It is pronounced like the "schiz" in Schizophrenia
Which is the right way to pronounce it. This lady is completely full of shit. She is a "Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist" which means she know's jackshit about us
Its actually the correct pronunciation tbh
Never heard this “skeezoid” pronunciation before. I’m going to another one of her videos to see if she says “skeezophrenia.” I bet not.
LOL I just understood what you are saying about "A pattern of detachment from social relationships and restricted range of emotional expression". I often don't feel as if I belong here. Once again, thank you for the video. I understand myself more than it did.
Seems this is the diagnosis I've got from one of the therapists. She stopped doing therapy with me because in parallel I am also doing psychanalysis type of therapy so she couldn't continue. It does feel like that but I don't think I don't want relationships, it's that I'm very afraid of intimacy. So when it gets to that point, I have a huge surge in anxiety and fear and then it's followed by a depressed mood (as if I'm depleted in energy by the intensity of that fear response).