Bro tension and resistance are so damn close in words I’m not sure why you’ve got your panties in a wad about it. “WaH TeNsIoN OnLy ApLiEs To ThE ChAiN” And bruh let me tell you, more resistance to the cage ultimately means more tension on the chain, not static tension, but it’s eventual tension. Sorry bro this comment just struck a nerve because this is a completely satisfactory video and you’re just dogging on it for no good reason.
@@stevefarrimond no. There is. When the chain pulls on the cage, tension is applied by the cage. It is not primary tension, but yes there is secondary tension.
@@notserpmale03 call it what you want. Clutch engaged or not, the cage spring tension is the same. However, clutch engaged, the cage has more resistance to movement.
Nice! i've dicovered this switch 2 days ago while cleaning the bike, i would have tried to search the function otherwise, but an awesome coinsidence that i stumbled upon your video, thank you ver much ^-^
You only get that adjustment screw on the xt and xtr derailleurs and even then don’t change the factory setting, it’s only for when the clutch wears a bit so you can retighten it.
If you have a Shimano 12sp derailleur... CHECK THE CLUTCH HAS GREASE!!! My 2020 bought XT 12sp apparently had none and seized after only 200 miles and only 2 hand washes (no pressure wash). Entire clutch was rusted and seized, the aluminum bolt that holds the clutch axle came off striped, so will be about 20 days down when my new cage maybe arrives this week (with bolt) from Taiwan.. all Shimano 12sp derailleurs are backordered everywhere..
2 years ago I was Just still riding my a clutch type derailleur but off and changed my cog 4 times today I realized why my cog's teeth were rubbing faster then a freewheel
I think some models you actually have to take the clutch cover off to adjust the tension. Just remove the 3 small screws and the cover and you will find the same adjustment screw as with the higher models
It depends a lot on the trails you're riding whether or not the clutch helps with chain slap. And if it is significantly easier to shift with it turned off, you may be due for a cable and housing replacement.
Thanks. Just got a new bike and this video explained a lot! 👍🏻 But… am I supposed to keep the clutch in the ON-position when riding? Is it only turned OFF for maintenance? And only
I fix and donate bikes to the Salvation Army so people in the shelter have bikes to sign out so I'm guessing this is an expensive bike I'll never work on but appreciate the tip. I started this when I was in one of their shelters and found a neglected Trek mountain bike in a dumpster so if you got any old bikes take them their as it'll definitely help someone that needs it.
Im just wondering, if your not riding in a situation needing the the clutch does it take less energy to ride with it off? Your channel is awsome bye the way!
It *might* take slightly less force to push the shift lever, but didn't affect the pedaling efficiency and levers are designed to be used for clutch derailleurs nowadays, so it's better to just leave it on. Especially because it's easy to forgot to turn back on.
@@sydfixesbikes i really meant pedalling, is there maybe some lost effort pedalling against the higher spring force, but really what difference could there be?
Nope, no difference because once you're in a specific gear, there isn't any chain movement happening. If you had an oval chainring, I could potentially see there being some resistance when pedaling, but not with a normal setup!
If you tighten it too much, it will make your shifter lever harder to push. But the levels are designed nowadays for clutch derailleurs, so as long as you don't over tighten it it shouldn't negatively affect the performance.
I have an unknown year giant talon XL frame and 29er I just bought used. I don’t know much about bikes so if someone can be so kind… would be much appreciated. So I need new brakes, rotors. How do I make sure that whatever brakes and rotors I buy will fit? Also, I need new shifters and derailer and how to tell what will fit my bike. I need a rear wheel too because it’s slightly bent but it works for now. Other than that bike works pretty well although there is a clicking in second gear out of the 3 big ones. I keep it on the biggest gear to make that go away but just last night there is a low click, more like a thump sound coming from left pedal cranking side with every pedal rotation. My guess is a bearing? Anyways, thanks again if you take the time to help me potentially diagnose my issues.
Actually i could definitly use the clutch and cleaned properly with my wet clean oil given to me by my good friend lance armstrong his shop is where i drop my bike off every weekend to be properly cleaned Thanks Syd thomas from Austin
I've had Shimano just about every bike and I've never seen that lever matter of fact I just ran down to the basement where I have 2 bikes with Shimano derailleur and no lever.
You should have the clutch ON unless you're removing the rear wheel. It decreases the likelihood of dropping your chain and it's designed to be on when riding.
The clutch doesn’t add tension.
It adds resistance to the cage, stopping it bouncing. There is no extra tension on the chain
Bro tension and resistance are so damn close in words I’m not sure why you’ve got your panties in a wad about it. “WaH TeNsIoN OnLy ApLiEs To ThE ChAiN”
And bruh let me tell you, more resistance to the cage ultimately means more tension on the chain, not static tension, but it’s eventual tension.
Sorry bro this comment just struck a nerve because this is a completely satisfactory video and you’re just dogging on it for no good reason.
@@notserpmale03 there is no extra tension on the chain.
There is more resistance to movement of the cage.
Simple. Or seemingly not.
Bro
@@notserpmale03 we get it bro you’re down bad so you need to simp in the UA-cam comments
@@stevefarrimond no. There is. When the chain pulls on the cage, tension is applied by the cage. It is not primary tension, but yes there is secondary tension.
@@notserpmale03 call it what you want.
Clutch engaged or not, the cage spring tension is the same. However, clutch engaged, the cage has more resistance to movement.
If this were a french company you would start with one revolution and then do a dozen more.
Spicy. Just like how I like it. Lol
My man knows his World history!
I didn’t wonder about the lever but didn’t know about the adjustment thank you!
Thank's a lot, now I can use it on my shimano tourney
Lmao
😂
🤣🤣🤣
Relatable to me 😅
Thank you. I’ve been wondering what the heck that little piece of plastic was for weeks after I got my Commencal MTB. Glad this video popped up!
Commencal! I have one but ive never seen another. Great bike! So solid. My favorite bike ive ever owned. (DJ maxmax)
Nice!
i've dicovered this switch 2 days ago while cleaning the bike, i would have tried to search the function otherwise, but an awesome coinsidence that i stumbled upon your video, thank you ver much ^-^
@@martian386 a bike should be cleaned regularly in my opinion though, it will get you more fun if well maintained :)
That’s a REALLY dirty cassette. Dude. Your bike is your friend. A clean friend is a happy friend.
A dirty friend is much more fun though ;-)
Straightforward answer to my question. Thanks 👍😎
Oh wow! I've riding Shimano derailleurs for years and never knew there was a clutch adjustment bolt. Thanks!
Only xt/xtr on deore and slx you need to open the cap
Its only on newer bikes because of the huge size cassettes they use now
I have been looking for an explanation of that switch for weeks! Thanks
Yeah but she explains it wrong, see top comment ;)
Wait so which way do I ride it on? Up or down?
Another comment said up and now you got me wondering 🤔
Thanks Syd. Good info!
Very helpful video. Thanks so much.
Syd, you're awesome!
You only get that adjustment screw on the xt and xtr derailleurs and even then don’t change the factory setting, it’s only for when the clutch wears a bit so you can retighten it.
Thats for tighten the clutch if its to soft
@@fuegor109 yeah which only happens when the clutch wears
I was going to say I would be amazed if I somehow missed a lever on my derailleur for over a year and a half. Turns out it just doesn't have it.
@@Sawyer_202 no, thats if its to soft and the chain makes noise, seems like u dont know about derailleurs
@@fuegor109 which happens when the clutch wears lol
That RD took a beating
Wow transmission very clean
“If you have a Shimano derailleur, you might wonder what this does”
Me looking at my Shimano Alcera derailleur searching for that clutch
If you have a Shimano 12sp derailleur... CHECK THE CLUTCH HAS GREASE!!! My 2020 bought XT 12sp apparently had none and seized after only 200 miles and only 2 hand washes (no pressure wash). Entire clutch was rusted and seized, the aluminum bolt that holds the clutch axle came off striped, so will be about 20 days down when my new cage maybe arrives this week (with bolt) from Taiwan.. all Shimano 12sp derailleurs are backordered everywhere..
2 years ago I was Just still riding my a clutch type derailleur but off and changed my cog 4 times today I realized why my cog's teeth were rubbing faster then a freewheel
I had a stroke trying to read this.
@@simont3686 mmm. Heart stroke ??
I had no idea the clutch on my grx rear mech was adjustable. TIL! Thanks!
Thanks great tip
Only if it added tension to the chain and not the cage
"Pull the lever"!
"Wrong leverrrrr!"
Greetings from Poland!
I just got a new bike today wondering what does that lever does. Thanx for showing us
Nice, I will check this, hehe.
I know there's a clutch there, which I may have switched off when I took the wheel off, the other day.
The adjustment screw is really sensitive. Full turns are too coarse of an adjustment; instead, use 1/8 or 1/4 turns.
On older SRAM roller bearing clutches, yes.
I think some models you actually have to take the clutch cover off to adjust the tension. Just remove the 3 small screws and the cover and you will find the same adjustment screw as with the higher models
I have a higher end model and it is not much different.
I accidentally left my xt clutch off. Didnt really notice any extra noise but it does shift easier😅
It depends a lot on the trails you're riding whether or not the clutch helps with chain slap. And if it is significantly easier to shift with it turned off, you may be due for a cable and housing replacement.
I never knew you could tension and I tension it 👍
Thanks
When I bought my first one by no one told me about that. I figured it out when my derailleur got loose.
So it’s a very good tip BUT you loosened the screw not tightened. But hey, I’m an asshole at times. Good tip thanks!
No one was supposed to notice that 😉.
When i was a kid.. I hated chains and sprockets. Lol
Some great content finally!
Is it left handed thread or did she just not know wtf she was doing at first?
I use that for chain fix ups
Thanks. Just got a new bike and this video explained a lot! 👍🏻
But… am I supposed to keep the clutch in the ON-position when riding?
Is it only turned OFF for maintenance?
And only
Yup, always on unless removing the rear wheel
Why is your cassette so dirty? I did know this but the tightening tip I didn’t know so the will come in handy
Nice
Check how strong is the clutch. It needs to bo tighten with a nM wrench...
Thanks but some of us don't have such fanciness on our bikes yet.
bicycle maintenance just makes me think there should be an engineering degree on it
only xt and xtr that has rubber cup to tight the tensioner
Eddie hall 900 turns later
I fix and donate bikes to the Salvation Army so people in the shelter have bikes to sign out so I'm guessing this is an expensive bike I'll never work on but appreciate the tip. I started this when I was in one of their shelters and found a neglected Trek mountain bike in a dumpster so if you got any old bikes take them their as it'll definitely help someone that needs it.
Yow zee is the best for me💪
anyone else notice the fact that she loosened the bolt
I have no words....
Good to see you back..x
Can you shift with the clutch on ???
Yes, you should always have the clutch on unless you are removing your rear wheel
I have this one but I didn’t how to adjust.
Is this a trek remedy 8 xt?
I’m gonna geek out my bike is being used as an example 🥺
I have trek remedy 8 2013 too, i cant hear anything in forest but at stairs when i go faster, its loud af, i gonna try to repair it
@@lukasvajbar7519 sweet they’re awesome bikes
Not it is not.
problem is my meaty fingers can push a bowling ball uphill so how am i supposed to guess what finger tight is🤔
What if i have a giant finger?
So what is the true intentions of a clutch, is it to increase tension and decrease chain slack but if so wouldn't a chain stay protection do the same?
It's to increase tension and keep the chain from falling off as easily.
@@sydfixesbikes I dont think it increases tension. It limits movement of the cage, which would mean it prevents insufficient tension.
What if you have very strong fingers?
Im just wondering, if your not riding in a situation needing the the clutch does it take less energy to ride with it off? Your channel is awsome bye the way!
It *might* take slightly less force to push the shift lever, but didn't affect the pedaling efficiency and levers are designed to be used for clutch derailleurs nowadays, so it's better to just leave it on. Especially because it's easy to forgot to turn back on.
@@sydfixesbikes i really meant pedalling, is there maybe some lost effort pedalling against the higher spring force, but really what difference could there be?
Nope, no difference because once you're in a specific gear, there isn't any chain movement happening. If you had an oval chainring, I could potentially see there being some resistance when pedaling, but not with a normal setup!
@@sydfixesbikes I ride an oval and I can not tell any difference in terms of efficiency with the clutch turned on or off.
@@chrishorbatt3504 It doesn’t effect pedalling efficiency but it “can” effect shifting smoothness
Only available for XT and XTR on SLX and DEORE must remove the part that Covers clutch mechanism 😢
If I tighten that bolt or the clutch will that affect my shifting performance?
If you tighten it too much, it will make your shifter lever harder to push. But the levels are designed nowadays for clutch derailleurs, so as long as you don't over tighten it it shouldn't negatively affect the performance.
I have an unknown year giant talon XL frame and 29er I just bought used. I don’t know much about bikes so if someone can be so kind… would be much appreciated.
So I need new brakes, rotors. How do I make sure that whatever brakes and rotors I buy will fit?
Also, I need new shifters and derailer and how to tell what will fit my bike.
I need a rear wheel too because it’s slightly bent but it works for now.
Other than that bike works pretty well although there is a clicking in second gear out of the 3 big ones. I keep it on the biggest gear to make that go away but just last night there is a low click, more like a thump sound coming from left pedal cranking side with every pedal rotation. My guess is a bearing?
Anyways, thanks again if you take the time to help me potentially diagnose my issues.
Also I’d like to swap a a single sprocket up front. And again, how do I figure out fitment?
Beauty queen
bike's are becoming so advanced...what happened to just a chain on a gear with pedals?😂
Progress, riding harder, and most importantly, utility.
OR it could be used when the spring doesn't have enough tension,mine just give me a smiling face
Yo tengo Sram GX lunar 😁
Shimano still lagging behind with no locking clutch
Is that a slip clutch for racing?
What's it used for tho
what is negative effects of it ? because I’ld use it on all the time
Yes, it should be on all the time unless you're removing your wheel.
Actually i could definitly use the clutch and cleaned properly with my wet clean oil given to me by my good friend lance armstrong his shop is where i drop my bike off every weekend to be properly cleaned Thanks Syd thomas from Austin
Hmmm I always wonder what that for!!! 😂
its called...the shadow
Isnt it for making chain repairs easier? 😄 It feels like multitool
That's for SRAM's rear derailleurs, which have a button that locks the cage straight. Their clutch is constantly active.
Ohh woww i just want to ride with you😁
keep it in ur pants homie
If you own a clutch derailleur and don't know how to use it you are the definition of 'all the gear and no idea'
Do you flip the switch on when you’re riding on road
The switch should always be on unless you're removing your rear wheel or servicing the derailleur
Poor me using shimano torney derailleur on 9 speed 11-36 cessete:-)
Can i shift gears normally with the clutch on?
Yes, the clutch should be on at all times unless you're removing your rear wheel or servicing your clutch.
Where's that clutch at
Neither of mine have this
Respect from Algeria 🇩🇿 ❤️
Please keep your chain clean 🙏
I broke my clutch lever off on a dh run
I've had Shimano just about every bike and I've never seen that lever matter of fact I just ran down to the basement where I have 2 bikes with Shimano derailleur and no lever.
I think they are only on relatively recent XT and XTR mountain bike derailleurs. I don't have one on my older 9 speed XT.
Que pata de cambio es esa?
Once you have a clutch, why would you turn it off outside of maintenance purposes?
You shouldn't. We leave ours on all the time unless we're removing the rear wheel.
@sydfixesbikes so it's for maintenance purposes only? You could of mentioned it in the video.
Is it healthy to keep your cluch on or
Always keep it on unless you're removing your rear wheel.
👏👏👏🙌🙌
Shimano is thr best
So lever on or off why a choice?
Its easier to take out the rear wheel with the clutch off
My name is allen😮
I have a shimano deore xt but no lever
If your derailleur is more than 4 or 5 years old, it might not. Newer XTs have the clutch though.
Noob question, is it necessary to turn in on? TIA
No, but you're much less likely to drop your chain if it's on.
Righty Tighty Lefty Loosey 😉
Dang thanks a lot I spent $2500 on a bike and didn’t know what that was thanks a lot😑
my local bike mechanic put it on permanent on . is that ok ?
No you need to be able to adjust it or switch it to on or off
Can you still shift even if the clutch is on?
Like will if nkt damage the derailer?
You should have the clutch ON unless you're removing the rear wheel. It decreases the likelihood of dropping your chain and it's designed to be on when riding.
I would marry this girl...
Oh should I leave my clutch on all the time
Yup
My shimano rear derailleur doesn’t come with a clutch.
Its cheap
Its probably an entry level rd like tourney,altus,acera,alivio the midrange has it like deore and high end
@@sherwinsacil9393 I suppose so