Are You Playing the Right Fairway Wood Loft?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2018
- txg.ca - Many golfers struggle with their fairways wood both off the turf and off the tee, often having trouble getting the ball in the air consistently with enough launch and spin. See how important loft can be in fitting a fairway wood properly, and whether you could be losing yardage by choosing the wrong loft.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois - Спорт
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Rewatching this pre fairway wood fitting. Nearly spat out my coffee at the intro of you saying about the 10k subscribers...
You guys have smashed it. My favourite golf UA-cam Channel by a mile now. Genuinely got me through lock down.
You've always managed to satisfy the super nerdy data needs, with quick and credible takeaways in every video. No 40 minute snooze-fests.
I put that down to good editing, and a lot of experience from Ian having to break down complex topics to customers.
Keep up the good work guys.
Ive been playing 17* for years - and just found this based on Trial and Error. Thanks for posting this - i totally agree that MOST golfers would benefit from a 5 wood, and leaving the 3 wood out. I also think most would benefit from 11.5 to 13 degrees on a driver - even sacrificing a few yards to get some consistency
I wish I lived closer. I had two different fittings sessions and left both not feeling so good. I appreciate how y’all explain everything and try different lofts to make sure the customer gets the best fit for their purchase. I have a 3 wood and it goes the same distance at my 3 iron with maybe 30 feet of peak height. So this club serves me no use and yet, that is what I was told I needed. Thank you for all the great insight with your material!
You're welcome!
Another great video I played the other day and my 5wood HL went farther out of the turf then my 4HL and now I know why. I appreciate your feedback and ability to show the benefits of hitting different fairway woods off the tee and turf.
Could not agree more. When I got fitted, I was fit into the M2 HL 16.5 and I get great distance from the turf and the tee. Another great, informative video guys. Your video helped me understand why I was fitted this way.
You all really have the greatest and most informative videos on UA-cam. Brutally honest and thorough reviews with ANYTHING golf related and perfect editing on all videos. Keep up the great work guys. I really wish I had the honor to coming in for a fit with you all. All Love from Maryland !
I've learnt so much since following you guys youtube channel - priceless!!!!
I have come back to this video after a year and I have followed its recommendations - dropped the 3w from the bag, turned down my 5w a degree to 17 degrees (so a 4w) and it is functional both off the tee and off the fairway. The reality was that the 3w at best was only 10 yards further than my 5w but far more erratic.
As Mr Average swing speed, the video was 100% correct. I have not tried a slightly longer shaft in my fairway - interesting idea, although oddly I have shortened my driver shaft to 44.5" and massively improved the accuracy of the driver with no/little obvious loss of distance
Another well explained video! I struggled for years with a 3 wood and finally adjusted the Cobra Fly-Z from 13 to 15.5 and off the turf the results are amazingly better...
This video is now almost a year old now. However, priceless tip from you guys in general. I started to use 5W instead of 3W last season without knowing about this video and I totally agree.
Totally changed my view on the fairway woods! Fantastic stuff!
Awesome video. I’ve been carrying 3 wood all my golf life. Didn’t even consider a 4 wood ever. Now I know the value of it. Big thanks!
You guys are such a great resource for demystifying the ever more complex world of golf equipment. I learn so much from each video. I have to say my TaylorMade M1 3 HL wood is becoming the favorite club in my bag. My old RBZ 15 degree 3 wood was my most feared club.
Oh my god I've been waiting on this video. I was playing a 3 wood for years but was inconsistent with it but I would hit it further than my driver most of the times. This past year I replaced it with a 4 would and I hit it amazingly better and get the right distance and loft I wanted. Great great info guys.
Fantastic episode! Having an average swing speed, this explains what I have been seeing for years, and why. You guys really rock.
Great video. I have a TaylorMade M1 HL 3 wood in my bag. I really like this club. It checks all the boxes for me, great ball flight. I also love the way it’s sounds when you catch it right.
Love this channel! Ping G400Max at 9.9, M2 3HL at 16.5 and Cobra F6 5/6 at 2l19. You just confirmed the choices in my bag!!! Thanks
I have a faster than average swing speed, but nowhere near tour speeds. About 103 with fairway wood and I still find the 16*-18* range the best fairway wood combination for me. Great content! Keep it coming out.
Phenomenal video! What insight we get from your channel. Well done!
I got myself a Rogue 4 wood 17* with Evenflow Blue 5.5 today. Incredibly versatile! Keep up the good work, lads!👍
Another brilliant video to give useful info and bust those golfing myths that no-one else seems to cover. I've been playing a 2 hybrid off the fairway as it's goes as far as my 3 wood with more accuracy, given it's shorter shaft and slightly higher loft I've always been puzzled why. Now I know there's not enough loft on the 3 wood, it's time to re-evaluate that part of the bag.
Another great insight into using the correct clubs.. I struggle to hit a 3 wood off the deck so it’s definitely something I’ll be looking into now 👌🏼👌🏼
great presentation again today. My 3 W is 13 and 5 W is 17. you have given a good deal of food for thought.
Congrats on 10k
Love your videos!!!! You guys give out a ton of good information, and you explain everything so people from a 20+ handicap down to scratch can understand. Keep up the good work guys!!! I'd like to come get fit there. Need a new driver!!!....well I WANT a new one lol
Great food for thought. Growing up we all had 4wds. Best out of longish rough club ever.
Great video! Without seeing that data at that swing speed I think I would have continually been looking for a three wood that I could launch high enough.
Driver swing speed 98mph / trackman. I purchased the M3 set loft at 17 and couldn't be happier. It does create an awkward gapping at the top of the bag. I now go 20 degree M3 hybrid for my 205 carry club. I dropped the 5 wood and will probably pick up hollow 4 iron or 22degree hybrid to fill the gap off the 5 iron.
love the info! And with it some of the choices i have made get confirmed. Using a 14 degree deeper faced 3 wood XR 16 mostly off the tee and from good lies from the turf. Backing it up either with an 18 degree 5 wood of 17 degree hybrid mostly used from the turf.
This is excellent info for me, once again great job guys and thank you!
This has been a work in progress area of mine for quite a while. I play off 4 and I've got a swing speed of around 104 -108 on Trackman. In the garage is a Ping G25 16.5, Titleist 917 16.5 plus a TM M2 Tour 16.5. What I've fallen back on more often is a TM 17deg SLDR hybrid with a 5wd shaft (bullet! very similar to the driving irons) and I'm mucking around with 21deg 913Fwd. At least 2 of these have to go but fun on the range
Ian n Matt,
Congrats on the thought provoking video.
Great video. I swapped out of a 3 wood to a 4 wood two years ago. More distance and control. I’m about average speed and tweaked up the driver a touch as well.
I had a really good fit from a TM rep, suggested driver & 18 degree fairway. Was dubious as thought I’d miss 3w, fitter was right 5w easier to hit & more consistent. Glad I listened to him.
Great video guys as usual. I have a 15.5 3W for off the tee and will use it out of the fairway only when I need a long 2nd shot with no hazards and no chance of dropping into a green. I then have a 17.5* 5w for the turf only out of almost any lie. Then go 3 hybrid to 4i. I find this gives me lots of options for the top of the bag for a slower swinger that sometimes struggles to keep driver in a tight window. If the two way miss creeps up off the tee I go to the 3w or when there is a dogleg par 4.
Bravo guys!! Another superb video.
The theory conversations and way you go about things in fitting ideas is great. My first golf coach told me something about club setup 25 years ago. He said to find a club that you have to have, your go to club but it can't be a putter or 1 wood (they weren't called drivers exclusively for a few more years then) and then build your set off that. For me its a 56deg wedge. Everything in my bag is gapped off that club. I don't carry a 3wood because I don't need a 265yd shot off the deck or tee. I go driver, 19 deg hybrid, 21deg utility iron, 4i-9i, 47deg PW, 52, 56, 62. I've gone from traditional sets, to very non-traditional sets. If I play a long course i'll pull the 21deg utility out and put in a 5w that gets me 10 more yards of carry than the hybrid. I am a sub 3 handicap, and getting my set built for me is a big reason why. I used to have a 3w and I think what made me dump it was playing 10 consecutive rounds and not using it one time. All the clubs in my bag now have a very good chance of being used for a reason and not just to force it.
Ironic, but yesterday made a switch to carrying only an 18* fairway wood.........I was surprised at the results on course, which reflected your test. Great stuff guys, congrats on reaching 10K!
Another super video guys. I'm 63 and have a slow swing speed - driver = 85 - 91 mph. For the past 20 years I've been playing Driver/4w/7w and couldn't be happier. Leave your egos at the range and start playing clubs that get the job done for you.
I've just swapped out my Ping G 3 wood for a taylormade aeroburner High Lauch 3 wood and its changed my game on par 5s! What difference 2 degrees makes, awesome 🤘🏻
Amazing info yet again. Matt half swinging the same speed as most of us get too swing out of our shoes. Classic.
Congratulations on your 10K subscribers. 50K is right around the corner. This video confirms what I have always believed; that most average golfers would do better to take the 3 wood out of their bag. I'm hitting a Taylor Made 5HL 21* fairway wood. With my swing speed (80 MPH) it makes sense to have that kind of loft. I'm hitting that club around 175-180 yards and am happy with the ball flight. Thanks for the great videos, guys.
I lofted my 5w and 4hy up thanks to this video. Purely to gap UP from my 5iron and keeping stopping power for long approach and par3s. The extra length keeps the ball speed high and I can swing slower for control.
This is fantastic, just bloody fantastic
Great stuff. I love data and you guys always hit it on the mark for me. I'm definitely going to check out a 4 wood as I've struggled with 3 wood forever. Now I know why.
Love my Cobra F7 3wood because it’s loft is adjustable. I have a quick swing speed and am a little steep but I have it locked in at 15.5 degrees. Works perfectly for me! All about finding that right loft. Good job guys! Side note - Matt’s Nike shoes are great.
Interesting! I play off 17, and a few years ago switched to a TM HL 17* 3 wood, made a huge difference to my shots off the ground. I had a Callaway 5 wood as well but it was too close to my 3 hybrid and I can do more with the hybrid than the 5 so I took it out, which is a pity because it's a sweet club.
No 3wood in the bag but used a 4wood for years, however, moved to a 5wood this year for the 230-250yd range. Still suffer from a lack of launch angle but hoping my TXG fit next month will cure that issue...
Great talking points like always gents !! A++
You ever end up getting this fit? What'd you end up doing for your fairway wood?
Great content guys - keep it up! I know I’m a little late the the video (slowly working my way through your back catalogue 🤙).
I changed my 3 wood loft from the tour head 14.5 degree to the 17 degree HL head and saw an instance return in distance and playability from the tee and ground; I am however playing a 5 wood length shaft for ‘accuracy’ but I’m tempted to move back to the longer shaft length as my swing is more robust these days. ⛳️🏌️♂️💪
So Interesting, I watched this last autumn as I was starting to build my 1st bag (started playing in Nov 2019) and was using Hybrids after Driver. Several months later & I've gone to a 5 Wood & dropped the 3 Hybrid from the bag (your 5 wood vs Hybrid is also a great vid). Hopefully at some point ill be able to hit my (garaged) 3 wood off the fairway too. Keep up the great work guys
Great video, I love my 15 degree 3 wood, it was my first wood, the driver was bought for the really big par 4s or 5s, the 5 wood is for the shorter tee shots and will be replaced with a 3 hybrid 19 degree
Love the music! A mix between a pirate sailing the seven seas and a diamond commercial. Great video I carry 15 3 wood, an 18 5 wood and a 21 4 hybrid
Great video! I've been thinking about dropping the 3W out of my bag for a while - hit it exclusively off the tee and only get another 5-10 yards compared to my 5W which I can hit from any lie. And, I've got a yardage gap between the 5W and 4hybrid. Your video may have been all the encouragement I need to pick up a 3hybrid!
I love you guys, the last gap in my bag I need to fill is between my driver and rogue hybrid, was gonna go with a 3w by default but will be comparing 4 and 5 in the store instead, probably leaning 5 as I mostly use this slot off the turf on long par 5 or after a shitty drive to carry as much distance as I can
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Great channel. Yous are the Digital Foundry of the golf world. Love it
This video is absolutely fantastic, and will age SO well. Thank you so much for attacking this topic!!!!
I’ve been looking for a new FW for about a year, I’m probably gonna go M4, but also like the rogue. M4 vs Rogue FW would be a great video.
Great video. I have my 3W @ 14.5 degrees, 5W with loft dialed down @ 17 degrees, 3H @ 19 degrees and 4H @ 22 degrees. I get a more penetrating on the 5W dialed down as 4W @ 17 degrees and reduce height of the tee.
another great video. didnt think to try any other fairway woods when i got my 3 wood, i will have to go hit some others.
I tested the g400 17.5 turned down to 16.5 and loved it. At 103 SS with the 3 wood it was a great combo. I didn’t lose any distance compared to a 15, it just got there a different way. Something I’m considering putting in the bag.
Thanks for the advice. 1rst of all I replaced my 4iron for a M4 22 degree hybrid(best thing I ever did !),and got rid of my 3 wood and 4 wood, and got the M4 16 1/2 degree HL 3 wood/(4 wood) think it's gonna work out great !
Man you guys are awesome! I haven’t hit Driver in years. Just not that good and have a bad back. Lowest lofted club I have in my bag is 4 wood that I use off the tee and I play fairways with either a hybrid or 5 iron.
The videos you are putting out now are great. I play a Taylormade M4 3HL. Love that club. I'm bang average clubhead speed too. Next club down is a M4 4 hybrid. Keep thinking I should have club in between them but not sure.
Congrats on the 10k mark!!
Another great vid guys 😁😁😁
Great info guys. I started last season with an M1 3 Wood. Found it was too long off the tee. Felt like I was carrying two drivers. Switched to the M1 3HL (4 Wood) mid season. Better gapping and much easier to hit off the turf. Like you said in this video, it becomes a much more effective club. Win win for me and I haven’t looked back.
I also use m4 HL FW at 16.5°. What are your next 2 clubs as that’s where I find the problem. I use m4 HL FW at 21° then 4-hybrid (22°). Seems bunched up but I’ll measure it this winter to see gaps.
Another great video! I've been a proud member of #4WoodMafia for years now and it's amazing how much better it is for me off the tee and turf.
I upgraded my 3 and 5 r9 to a single cobra king f6 at 17.5. Both r9's went the same distance and ballooned as got when much slower. So switched into a stiffer shaft -Much better flight, easier off the ground and longer. Plus added another wedge as use my fairway woods maybe once a round.
Great video. The data shows that the average golfer needs more loft. Y'all answered my question, I'm now shopping for a 5 wood. Thanks
Spot on..... I carry a 16 degree Aeroburner mini driver from a low tee peg and from fluffy lies and an 18 degree Aeroburner 5 wood off the deck (tee and fairway). I then carry a 4 hybrid (Ping Karsten 22 degree) and then go to 5-UW Pig G400 Iron and then 54 degree WS Glide 2.0 Stalth and 58 degree SS Glide 2.0 Stealth wedge. My driver alternates between the Aeroburner 10.5 degree and Cleveland Classic XL Custom 10.5 degree (upright setting) both don't get used that much!!! My putter is a David Whitlam Devon (Anser style) putter and a Ping Cadence TR Heavy Anser 2 putter for slower greens...... Great video chaps (again) from one of your new subscribers!!
......... The Mini Driver is probably my favourite club in the bag.... It is a shame they don't make that style of club anymore!!! I have both the 14 and 16 degree ......... Now favouring the 16 degree it is easier to hit of the deck and does not lose out much in distance for me!!
I still have a 13.5 callaway 2013 XHot pro in the bag. I only use it as a mini driver. Goes maybe 10-15 yards shorter than my driver! It's awesome of the tee. But of the turf it's hard to launch so I bought a couple years ago a TM 3HL wood. That thing just launches high but I loose about 30 yards. It's always good to have some options depending on the course you play.
Another great video. You guys drive me crazy😂. Thank you so much. Best you tube channel on earth.
8:49 to 10:28 was dedicated to you Dr.!!! 😆😆😆
😂😂😂, Thanks. But the overall content is way more important 👍🏻, by the way: I have a 4 wood with a 3 wood shaft since 4 years in my bag. Seems to be a good decision
Matt is right, I went conventional and tradition and couldnt get a 3 wood off the deck and topped it all the time. Changed to 16° ping g410 sft to help get the ball up. Still going 240 yards. Just added the 5 wood instead of a hybrid. Both 1° flat. Really happy now.
Thanks so much for this video, I love that I found this channel! Based off a discussion you had in the video, could you do a video going into wood/driving iron considerations for a longer, faster swing speed player? When Ian talked about the futility of Matt's low loft 3 wood as it was going too far really interested me and I was wondering if in a video you could talk about how a higher swing speed player ought to think about setting up their bag considering courses they play with respect to hybrids, woods, driving irons. Thanks again for the upload!
For sure, we will probably live stream my fairway wood and hybrid/driving iron fitting so stay tuned for that.
Thanks guys.
I go driver , 16 3 wood , 7 wood. Works out great!
I have this setup now but haven’t lofted up my 3w to 16 yet. I’m going to try this out.
By far the best channel on here for helping us amateurs. Amazing content. This video vindicated my decision to buy 18° TM M3 5 wood head... I will be playing it in a 42" project x hzrdus black shaft.Thoughts?
I wanted something around 250 total from the tee to fit between driver 290 and 3 iron 235. Sometimes my 15° 3 wood runs out near to driver. Driver swing speed 109.
Great video! I'm a fitter for TM in the U.S. and this is superb info. Perhaps you could do a video for a fade or slicer, 80-90 swing speed. A little steeper swing as you folks note is definitely most common from what I've seen over the past 10 yrs. Even possibly using the draw type fairways too. Thank you!
Great video and really interesting. As usual I appear to be Mr Average - regular shaft, standard lie and length and average swing speed! But I have cranked down the loft of my Epic 3w to 14 degrees and I feel it is easier to hit than the standard 15 degrees, that may be because, as you explained, for a slicer sometimes lowering the loft helps close the club face. When I started playing golf 40 years ago I had old wooden 2w & 4w - the 4w was a cracking club even then
This is a great video and is exactly what I'm doing. I actually play a ping anser 4w and it is so much easier to hit than the normal 3w.
Very helpful to me right now to remind myself as I am about to make a decision about drivers/fairway with the new titleist ts range. They also do a 16.5 3 wood hl as they call it and might be my optimal choice for both fairway and tee (instead of a driver altogether)- as also planning on getting the 3 and 4 hybrid (h85). But one issue is club length as previously I had all the club lengths shorter than std including hybrids. Concerned about swingweight balance and also how it might change the numbers you showed considerably if cutting lengths say 0.5 inches or more even.
When people start finding more out about your channel guys your subscription potential is 100,000+ easily its the best channel by a mile on golf in terms of content, explaining complex info and keeping it simple!!
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Just another great vid! I enjoy tests where swing speeds are closer to mortal levels. Way too many vids out there with Matt-ish speeds. Im below the average speed with about a 145yd 7 iron. I have a 3wood turned up to 17deg and still hit it very low. Maybe I'll try a 5w and add some length to the shaft. I'd love to get up there for a fitting and make a mini golf trip/vacation out of it. Great job guys!
Try a 5 wood for sure, more loft can be your friend in many cases
Exatcly what I've found out too. Always struggled to find a good trajectory with the spoon from both off the tee and deck, even with fairly fast swing speed. Recently changed to TM 3HL 16,5 with HZDUS red shaft and BOOM, there's my window.
I was fitted at callaway fitting day for driver epic 12.5 loft 50 gram regular shaft standard grip which I could'nt play with after watching you videos I changed the setting to 9.5 loft stiff shaft and mid size grip and now can it the club well
Another great video. My swing speed is faster than low 90s but slower than Matt's - i.e. around 100. I have always been a Driver, 2wood & 4 wood player - for 2 decades. I never understood 3 wood or 5 wood - neither seem optimal from a bag setup perspective - not that they can't hit 'good shots' but from a bag setup. Your little comment about 4wood is basically as good as 5wood off the fairway but better off the tee is why I think it has worked for me - i.e. I like it off the fairway way better than the 3 because it has a shorter shaft and more loft but it can also potentially serve a dual role potentially as driving shaping type club on certain type holes. Ditch the 3 & or 4 iron, add a gapping hybrid that resists drawing as a long iron scoring type club replacement, and the bag today is much more functional than years ago. I will say that for physically shorter golfers, the shaft length of 2 & 3 hybrids are probably much better from a consistency perspective than a 4 wood. I choose the 13 degree 2 wood because I like a driving club that I can Draw - I set up my driver to Fade. Awesome stuff guys!
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At 5’6” I can totally associate with that. I have to cut down everything
Just had the same holy-crap-wait-what?? moment as Daniel - 10k subs?? Crazy how far you guys have come. As evidence, watching this video for probably the 3rd time as I look at my 3 wood
great vid lost of food for thought well done
I love my 3 wood of the tee but looking to get a 5 wood for form the fairway cause I can't launch a 3 wood from the deck
I now carry a # 5 and # 7 Ping G 410 S.F.T. Woods. With my swing speed a 3 wood doesn't seem to make much sense. I am only 75 to 80 mph off the driver. I use senior shafts. I like the higher lofts. :) I agree with your thoughts here. I love the Ping G 410 S.F. T. 5 Wood. :) This 5 Wood is set at 19 degrees of loft. :) Of course its adjustable as well. I must add here that I have found that I hit the Ping Woods better off the turf and tee then other makes as well. Spider Dubiel
I wish I had a fitter as knowledgeable as you guys in my area, if I can’t find one imma be making a trip to y’all sometime soon
You two should both do a why in the bag. That would be awesome!
We will later in the season for sure!
Vindication! Still love my X-Hot 4 Wood.
The only fairway I have in my bag is a tour edge exotics 16.5° 4 wood. From there I go to an 18° iron hybrid. The lofts are close but the length difference provides the gap I need. I rarely use it, only on perfect lies on a par 5 and short par 4's
I’m the odd one. I’m bang on the average swingspeed. Was actually looking for a new FW this season because I was not getting the distance I wanted. My 19* hybrid was going nearly the same distance as my 3W. Turns out I was loosing distance because of too much spin and launch so it was ballooning on me. Got a new 3W with lower spin and now I get what I was looking for.
I ran into this situation until a certain fitter suggested I "loft up" and it has helped especially off the tuff thanks :). On a side note I wonder what Crossfield would think ...hmmm?
According to the standard deviations Matt hit the 4 wood a little more consistently across the board. But as you said it all comes down to projected use and the usable yardage your looking for.
I currently carry a M4 15* 3w mostly used off the tee on the courses I play. I naturally have a higher ball flight with my swing. Occasionally I will hit it off the deck if needed and really still see a good flight. Maybe it's my confidence in the club but I can flight it higher or lower depending on my course.
Honestly never thought about a 4w instead of the 3
Truly enjoy all of your content. Keep the shows coming. I am that 95 to 96 MPH swing speed with the 3 wood and recently changed from a 15 degree Rouge to a Titliest F3 16.5 degree and found I hit it as far and at times further and absolutely have a much better ball flight. Do you ever do testing on balls? Would love to see that for that average Joe also.
That is coming soon for sure!
Just ditched 15° M2 Tour (43.25") for 16° Cobra LTD (42.5"). Marginally shorter off tee but effortless from the fairway the 1-2 times it comes out... driver swing 95ish
I still game my R9 3 wood and it does me right. Im a hight ball hitter and tend to turn my 3 wood over quite a bit. So its set to Right which opens face a bit and maybe plays 14degish.. I also have the 5 wood but dont game it. I get similar distance with my hybrid but with better dispersion.