I don't think people realize how crazy it is that Shane's uncle was a main forward oberserver during the Battle of Khe Sanh. It's one of the most famous battles of the war the history is absolutely insane. Shane's uncle is a real one.
My fathers father was a marine in the battle of Khe Sanh. My mothers father was an airforce pilot. Khe Sanh was one of the bloodiest battles of the war. One day while being overran by vietcong the airforce gave support. A few Thanksgivings ago as they talked in the corner of the room amongst themselves they realized my grandfather flew the exact plane that saved the other… That remains to be the only time in my life where I’ve seen both those honorable men cry. Knowing these men were both spit on when they got back home makes me shake. Thank you to all Vietnam Vets.
I love reading these stories. I was reading another account above you and from a civ standpoint, running the numbers, It seems to be a small world during wartime. You have what amounts to just a few million soldiers overseas total, and so naturally, they'll be involved in similar actions across the region. Particularly the major ones which make the headlines and movie reels. Khe Sanh. The fall of Saigon. The re-capture of Hue. The Romans had their legendary losses at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest, and victories in the Punic wars...Events like Khe Sanh and Normandy seem to be passing into legend with the younger folks now. They find it all very hard to believe. 😁 It was a different time.
I dont think Thank you is appropriate for a stupid ass fucking war that never should have been fought. The stories are of courageous men made to fight a political war. My heart pains me for the loss of all the innocent men and women who died during that war, My prayers are for those who survived and were never the same, my gratitude is for those who fought and overcame the pain and tragedy they endured. I Respect and Honor them all for their sacrifice and for teaching me that our Country can be wicked to the core, not only against its enemies but its own.
My father came home to Boston with a business degree and couldn’t get a job. Imagine being a vietnam vet was a blemish on your life. He worked at stop and shop (grocery store in Massachusetts) for 40 years after he returned because it’s the only place that would hire him.
@@four_20hitman___97 that is heartbreaking. He sounds like a strong man. Didn't just give up because life was unfair. I hope he had many pockets of happiness.
My Uncle died in vietnam and my grandfather was a tunnel rat. Just recently he started opening up to me about what he experienced and I cant even begin to imagine crawling in a hole knowing theres a 3/10 chance I wouldnt crawl out. He refuses to go anywhere near the cave system they live by and wont go into basements
My uncle was a medic in Vietnam and doesn’t talk about it much. Shane’s uncle being a forward observer in that battle is crazy. That’s probably one of most widely known battles in Vietnam there’s songs wrote about it.
My father was a corpsman there as well in 69 with the first marines first division charlie company and he rarely talked about. And when he did I realized I'll never truly know everything about him
I don’t know a single Vietnam veteran who isn’t also an alcoholic. Not a single one. War changes you, killing people changes you, and Vietnam with the lack of home support, the jungle and being outnumbered takes it to another level.
The gunship he was talking about is legendary, Spooky was a customed AC-47 with three mini guns and only flew at night to avoid small arms fire, used flares to light enemy positions up and bring down the fist of god. This thing was a monster and helped to defend countless outposts and areas during nighttime NVA raids. You can find videos online of it in action and its incredible to see one of the predecessor to the infamous AC-130 everyone knows.
Spooky was the call sign for all ac-47s. The original test frame was call signed "puff" Puff the magic dragon Spooky wasn't some custom ac47 flying around on its own as you give the impression
I am Hmong. We are hill tribes that lives in the hills of Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, etc. when the war started, the hmong’s sided with the Americans and fought alongside them. After the war many of the Hmongs were left to deal with the genocide from the Vietnamese because we sided with the Americans. My family had to flee to Thailand and was captured then put into refugee camps. We were eventually sponsored by churches in the US and came to the US. Even my parents don’t really like to talk about the war and fear they had to go through.
My friend was an E-5 with MACVSOG Special Forces, stationed in the highlands of Laos, setting ambush on the Ho Chi Minh trail with the Hmong forces, he loved serving alongside your people.
I’m also Hmong and my grandfather was killed in action during the war. The battalion before his was sent out for a recon mission but weeks later they couldn’t reach or get a hold of them so my grandfather was assigned to go look for them. He and several of his soldiers never made it back alive. My dad was 12 years old at the time and he was always around the camp. I know for a fact he’s got ptsd himself
I admire Shane's uncle. The fact he's open enough to talk about it and be so articulate likely means he's at least garnered some measure of peace with all the shit that happened over there.
My brother was in Vietnam in 1968. He came home and never spoke about his time over there until a few years ago. Even now he can’t talk about certain events without becoming emotional. My big brother has never shown sadness and grief ever to me so it was hard for me to watch him tear up. To give you an idea of how it affected him I will sum it up in this one general statement. My brother loves movies so I asked him why he never talks about the gory horror films and he said “I saw enough blood, gore and guts for one lifetime”. I have the utmost respect for him more now than I ever did before. He came out of the army like nothing ever happened. He has had a great life.
If they don’t talk about, it’s likely they went through some crazy shit. My grandpa never talked me to much about his time there, only the somewhat good times around camp. But described it as hell. Every time he thinks about Vietnam his PSTD gets bad so we typically don’t bring it up. From what I heard he was a badass, and did some badass shit.
My brother burned villages while in Vietnam. Sometimes he’d wake up screaming while having an erection. It was one of the most unsettling things I think I’ll ever see.
My Uncle was in Khe Sahn. He was Marines Recon...almost like the Navy SEALS are today. And he was the middleweight boxing champ for the Marines in the Pacific Region. Absolute savage. When i was 15 or so, I was at his house in the Rockaways in NYC. He said to me "you're old enough now kid", and let me read his reports of his experience he had to send into the VA so he could get 100% disability. It was absolutely insane. So similar to Shane though. Because my one uncle seems like he never got over it. Never stops talking about it. My uncle on the other side was 7th Air Cavalry. He was also one of the guys the cleared out the tunnels. He never talked about it. Was a bad alcoholic, was sober since i was born more or less. Never seen him drink anything other than an ODouls. Was one of the top guys in Local 3 Electrical Union in NYC. Helped dozens naybe hundreds of guys get sober. Great man. My other Uncle that couldn't get over it is an alcoholic and ruined most of the personal relationships hes ever had...War is so fucked up
@@KinoRunner_ yeah. Unfortunately the other Uncle who got sober passed away in a Scuba Diving accident right after he retired from the Union...his wife, my Aunt had passed away a few years earlier. She needed a liver transplant and he gave her half his liver. A lot of times the medicine they give you so your body doesn't reject the donor liver ends up giving you cancer... that's what haooened to my Aunt. It was really sad because he'd just started doing all the things he dreamed about.... thankfully he got to check a few things off his bucket list before he passed away. One of the greatest men I've ever known
My grandfather was 17 when he was sent off to Vietnam from Manatí, Puerto Rico. I couldn’t imagine being that young and having to fight in that grueling war! He was part of the lost platoon and was one of the 11ish survivors in his platoon of originally 28 I believe. If you haven’t read the book or watched the movie on the lost platoon, it’s certainly worth looking into. Their platoon was separated from the rest of the US troops because they chased some Vietcongs into the jungle where they were then trapped and surrounded by Vietnamese combatants while taking fire and fighting for survival for the next day or so while waiting for rescue. My grandfather was only shot a few times which is crazy considering how long they were stuck and surrounded out there for. After being rescued, he was sent out to a base to recover where he stayed for weeks on end until he was healthy enough to return to the fight. After a little over a year, he returned and received a purple heart. It’s a shame that his name is only mentioned on one page of the book and he isn’t portrayed in the movie, but I want to tell his story on film someday. His upbringing in small town Puerto Rico with 16 siblings working on the land, pretty poor, returning home and marrying his childhood sweetheart which he remains married to till this day❣️ He survived, went to college with the GI-bill he was granted, and grinded his whole life to put all 3 of his kids through school and own a business is unreal to me. He was able to surpass the odds that were against him his whole life, for me to be thankful that I’m even here…if one of those bullets hit him in a worse spot, the following 60+ years of his life would’ve never unfolded💯
Wild to think about handling all that as a teen...Particularly as we approach World Kerfuffle 3. In another time, this could have been any one of us. I don't want to see our zoomers sent off to war in this century. Still, I don't want to cede the buffer states and eastern Europe to Russian influence. It would cause issues here at home over the long term. I wanted the 2020's to have flappers and swing music. I was hoping we could skip the aspects related to pandemics and great wars. Where do you think we're headed in this decade? Perhaps all this ...global unrest will settle down and we can continue to live normal lives.
When I joined the Army I was given the choice between an Engineer or being a Forward Observer. I went the Engineering route bc I assumed it would teach me skills that would take me further in the civilian world (after the military) more than the skills obtained from being a Forward Observer would. I have so much respect for those guys. The amount of soldiers that rely on you to be on your shit to get those coordinates right while being shot at, rushed, adrenaline pumping, etc. is beyond comprehension.
If you didn’t go far in your civilian career, you wasted your time. I’ll never regret mine. Don’t have any skills that transfer to the civilian world besides leadership skills because running and gunning doesn’t transfer well.
@@MandenTV You have leadership skills, start there. Running and gunning has some transferable skills. You know how to take apart and clean a weapon. Those are basic repetitive skills that you master and can teach others. Apply that concept to other things like trades or professions. Take it up a level and you are teaching someone to fix a car/build a computer/perform a minor surgery. Take it up another level and you are in charge of mechanics/technicians/surgeons that you trained yourself and know they can get the job done.
My father was a viet nam vet. He was a marine. He enlisted. He was carried out of the bush twice, shrapnel and bullets. One of his ears blown off, sewn back on right there where the fighting was happening. He didn't talk about it much. Did a lot of drugs. Died very sad. God save our vets.
I was drinking in a little rural town in South Australia in about 2001. This old dude sat next to me and ordered a schooner. It took me a while to see, but this dude looked like the inspiration to Two-Face. I got his attention and asked if he would share his story if I bought him a beer. He agreed. Long story short he was in WW II. He was chasing tanks with a crew. He saw a tank top hatch wasn't secured and got on the tank, threw a grenade, and sat on the lid till it popped. He ran off for cover behind a tree under heavy fire. He put his back against the tree as a burst of fire ripped up the side of the tree. In his words "damn thing wasn't quite wide enough". The bullets tore off the side of his face but nothing hit the brain or the major parts of the skull. He was left for dead and woke up some time after and managed to stumble his way to help. One hell of a story.
@@Benucci_music If i think real hard, i can remember my first beer. It was a Budweiser tall boy on south padre island at the age of 15. Never puked with whiskey, but that first 16 oz beer? oof. That was an acquired taste. It's helpful to have a teenage friend standing nearby to say "don't be a bitch". 😂
My first beer was sitting around a fire telling these old geezers how I made it to Oregon by myself at such a young age I think I was 15 at that time they were upper 40’s probably. It was a ‘starburst IPA’ I believe it’s called.
This story may put things into a small context regarding Shane’s uncle’s story. An elderly buddy of mine told me this about his father who was a Canadian machine gunner in the trenches of WW1. Being a gunner using the water-cooled Vickers, he and his mates became a target for the Germans who focused their charges more toward his and other gunners. His father never talked about it much but connecting the dots, he must have taken out hundreds or more of attackers a mere 20 yards or so from his position. Just imagine hearing the moans etc… of the wounded left in the mud right in front of you and you were the cause of it, helping was out the question as you can understand. He survived, mustered home and was a very quiet passive man. What we figured helped him cope with what we now call PTSD he joined a beer league of hockey players and became a very good goaler. The irony of this is pretty evident but it worked for him, we figured out it was the I must protect his mates and the visual of being a goaler of the opposing team skating toward you to score (over run) it falls on him to not allow that to happen. In a way heal through changing the context yet the premise is the same.
This is incredible. I was physically assaulted and developed PTSD as a result. I ended up getting into MMA and found a lot of peace, and after reading your comment I can't help but think it was a similar type of exposure therapy for me. I love psychology and your observation is astounding.
My Dad was in that documentary! (He was apart of Ambassador Graham Martin's personal security unit during the Fall of Saigon. You can see him walking with Ambassador Martin a couple of times throughout that documentary.) He was a great man, a hell of a Marine and one of the best fathers anyone could ever hope to have. Some people dream of getting to meet their hero's. I was raised by mine. RIP Msgt Colin D. Broussard
My great-uncle was a mortar man in Vietnam, he was killed by friendly fire. Apparently, they would overheat so as they were pouring water on them it accidentally went off and went right through him. Never got to meet his son. I'll never forget the story of my grandmother telling me about the day they came to present the family with the flag. Hate that his name is on the Vietnam wall but makes me proud as well. Daniel R. Meadow, Served with HHC, 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Division
Why are you proud. The guy got killed by his govt and roped into invading another country unprovoked, like Japan hitting Pearl Harbor. RIP to him but he's a crime victim not a hero
@@emilianosintarias7337 he should definitely be proud… dude probably didn’t have a choice if he wanted to go and when he got there he was fighting that’s brave just because a great accident happened doesn’t mean the man deserves any less credit all soldiers deserve your pity regardless of where they’re from and what they think because it’s either they had no choice or they were indoctrinated either way they need to seen as the brave men they’re fighting for something they might truly think could make the world better or literally just trying to survive something they had no choice in crime victim doesnt mean he’s any less brave he couldve went AWOL but no he was fighting
My grandfather (my hero) was wounded and recieved his purple heart in the battle of khe san. He returned to Washington DC after that and stayed in the msrines and joined the marine corp silent drill team. Every memorial day we eat s steak and baked potato because his best friend that died in the battle always said when he got out he wanted a steak and baked potato. The stories he tells are bone chilling.
My uncle was a navy diver in Vietnam and the war changed him forever. He was addicted to opiates and booze and would have night terrors and tear my grandmothers house apart looking for Charlie on a weekly basis. Cops knew him by name in the area because of these episodes. For some the fog of war never clears.
My husband ‘s three brothers were in Vietnam - they came back alive however we’re never the same . One was Army, one USMC, and one Air Force. According to their wives they didn’t speak about it and were changed forever. A miracle they came back
I didn't really understand what was going on in Vietnam because I was young, 8-10 yrs old or so. My cousin, Jackie, stepped on a mine in Vietnam. I remember going to visit him at my aunt and uncle's house. He seemed 'cool as a cucumber', probably disassociated from what happened, sitting in a recliner telling us about how he stepped on the mine while he was on patrol with his squad, on a trail between rice fields going into some woods. I remember he said they looked out for traps but he stepped where there was some grass on the side of the trail. A couple of other people got hurt too. I remember, his right leg below his knee was black, his toes were gone, his foot a stump. He committed suicide a year later... I remember wondering why he would kill himself and being so very sad he was gone because I looked up to him. I know now he was in tremendous physical and emotional pain and he wanted to leave this world. War needs to be stopped. God, make it stop...
@@puckered6036 Completely untrue. You should read the book, which is called the Bible, before you speak on God, namely the God of the Jews and anyone else who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior. And how I know you've never once read the Bible, let alone a single book of the Bible thru and thru, is because if you did you would know that war, murder and any and all atrocities are the results of us humans living in sin and turning our back or refusing to believe in God. This along with the fact the the actual God of this earth and ruler of all things of this earth is not my God, but the God of those who've been deceived, duped, or are outright evil themselves by choice. And have full knowledge and are well aware of the master they serve. And the God of this earth and world name is Lucifer (Satan, Horus, Baal, Devil, Cupid, Tammuz, and the list goes on and on). So it is actually a curse that we humans have allowed to live and grow, as every sin makes for greater sin. When we could instead make right with God as a race and people, and war or any other atrocities would cease to exist. But to many of us humans are either to stupid to have .faith and belief in God. Or we are far to prideful and think we ourselves are God's. And to go even deeper, the Goddess Ishtar or Nanaya or NaNa or the IllNana is the actual Goddess of War. So for her to be worshipped and exalted, this Goddesses blood thirst must be quench by the very act of War. So in actuality it is her that loves war and allows and demands it's monger. And this Goddesses other fruits and attributes are being the Goddess of love, but moreso the lovers that have been scorned. As well as the twisted love of duality. And lastly, being the Goddess of Pride. So to sum her faiths up you have, War, Love, Homosexuality and the act of a man becoming woman and woman becoming man, and Pride. And if you can't read the Bible, I'm sure you can read up on Ishtar, as you will see that since the very act of prayer has been ripped out of schools, a long with the spirit of prayer no longer being honored in this country, something has to fill that spiritual void. And Ishtar has clearly, and happily filled that void. This is why we see War and rumors of War at such an astounding rate. And the influx of gays, and now even stronger the growth of the trans, and their very symbol, flag, name and overall nature of their faith and belief being that of, you guessed it, Pride. So if anyone does just a hint of research or reading you will see that homosexuality and the Pride movement is simply a curse for ones past generations sin. And or ones family having no faith in God, so ones offspring is easily put under the spell of Pride. Or how we say being involved and believing in the Pride Movement. You're welcome
@@Zedhedd Thank you. Succinctly said. I didn't ask us to stop it. I asked God to do it for us. (I am agnostic but say prayers sometimes). I commented remembering as I felt as a boy, looking back as an old man. Jackie didn't have a choice because he was drafted. This may be disquieting to some but, In some way, I wish he had died fighting and didn't take his own life because of despair. I chose to go into the military and was ready to kill people and give up my life 'for my country,' which seems like an ephemeral reason now. We are such loving yet terrible creatures. Perhaps this is why we are remarkable in our thoughts and feelings. best wishes
I remember an old boss of my mine was a Vietnam vet he flew helicopters and was shot down once. I only knew what he did because I overheard him talking with another vet at work. We had to take a business trip once and we both flew and sat together. I flew all my life and never felt turbulence like we had that day. Stuff flew up and his the ceiling and crashed back down, some people screamed and I was white knuckling the arm rest and without skipping a beat he turned the page on his newspaper and casually said that was probably a a few hundred feet lol I've never been able to relax on a flight since.
I was one of those guys that signed up for the army after 9/11. I wanted to hurt the people responsible but I didn’t know who they were. Turns out none of the people I killed had nothing to do with it. They likely couldn’t find America on a map. I regret it everyday
You couldn't have known and the fact that you were willing to risk your life for this country and the people in it says a hell of a lot about you and your character and I thank you for your service.
A good friend of mine, his Father was a Navy Seal in Vietnam. As he got older, he started to talk about his experiences more. I've always been a good listener. If you don't judge the person talking to you, and you don't celebrate them either, they will tell you a lot.
@@brownjatt21 Joe will never get cancelled. Great clip when Izzy adaesana at a fight presser grabs the mic and said fuck the bullshit Joe Rogan my boy he isn't racist so shut the fuck up 🙌🏻
My dad is a Viet Nam Vet. Viet Nam was over the control of opium in South East Asia. I was present the moment my dad learned the actually truth about the war. We watched a documentary. I was probably 10 or 11 years old and I remember clearly feeling the emotiins of my dad who sat there calm like a bomb. I hate the system. I live our Soldiers. To any Soldiers who struggle with some of their experiences, you served out of heart. Out of love of your family and home. And thats what speaks volumes! THANK YOU, from the bottom of my heart! My dad was athiest when he joined the USMC and came back a believer of God. I hope he forgives hiself for the guilt he carries doing what he had to do to survive while protecting his home and country ❤❤❤ I wish I could hug you all and take away all the burden you carry
My Dad, Charley aka "Badger" Taylor, was the radioman for his Green Beret platoon (5th Special Forces). He did three Vietnam tours and received a purple heart. He was always with the Captain, as radioman he carried two Mossberg 12 ga. pump shotguns loaded with illegal 00 buckshot. When the fighting got close, he would go thru hundreds of rounds that really made a mess of anyone in front of them. Badger was not a big talker of War stories but I did pull some really nasty stories out of him. After his last tour , when he took a B-40 rocket hit nearby, that gave him shrapnel wounds and blew him into a tree, which fractured his pelvis he was flown to Washington State and hospitalized for 9 months. He was medically discharged and given many prescriptions, which he could not take, so he used Jack Daniels to medicate. He died in 2013 at 72 years old with small cell carcinoma, lung, liver, and other lesions... Agent Orange definitely took some of his health. Badger was a smooth talking Cowboy, who rarely used "nasty words". I miss him. His service in Vietnam ended my parents marriage early because he was obsessed with being a War hero and gain the respect of my Grandfather, Howell, who was a 30 year U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer. Howell, was wounded in WWII in Italy while riding a WLA Harley carrying urgent dispatches. BLESS both of their Spirits! I Love the Republic of these United States. I am a USAF veteran, 1979 - 1983, and my little brother, Chris, is a U.S.M.C. veteran. Salute
Both uncles were in there, toughest men I’ve ever met. One came back as a marine , fucked up from the agent orange.. family hated him. Other one was a chopper gunner, got shot down , survived an ambush after getting shot down and came back and was the best uncle I could ever ask for. Always got us the best gifts, never talked about the war.
I spent 4 years in the army as a Forward Observer (13F). They changed the name to Fire Support Specialist in 2004 when the realigned the Army, and his recount of our job is spot on. The first thing they taught us in school about our job was that, on a battlefield, we would be the first person targeted by enemy fire. It is a bit of a shock to your system when your drill sergeant tells you that an infantryman in a battle has a 4-minute life expectancy and you only have a 33 second life expectancy. Nothing like going into a war thinking if a fight breaks out, you're more likely to die in less than a minute than survive the battle because you are the guy with the radio raining down artillery on the enemy. I couldn't even imagine being a forward observer in Vietnam, much respect to Shane's uncle and glad he made it back.
I think during Vietnam it wasn't a separate specialty yet, a lot of that differentiation came later. Just whatever guy showed aptitude got the job. Vietnam was weird-- if you commissioned as an artillery officer there was like a 60% chance you would end up as a helicopter pilot. Later in the 70s the Army got a more formalized MOS system with a lot more resolution than they had in Indochina. Although if it was Khe Sanh they are talking about Shane's uncle would have been USMC not Army. Had to be a system shock for the USMC since they rarely fought the NVA before that, mostly being VC hunters.
My husband was point man and refused to go into the tunnel. The guy above him went and tripped a wire and my husband was seriously injured, 18 months in the hospital and a lifetime of nightmares. 😢😢
Please tell your husband that I am grateful for his service, his courage, and I refuse to take the sacrifices he and many others like him made for granted. Every day we have in this once great nation is solely the responsibility of folks like your husband. We owe them everything. One last thing if I may. Please give your husband a great big bear hug. Tight as you can and tell him I said "Welcome Home". ♥️
My great great uncle was one of the youngest ANZACs to die in the battle of Long Tan, Private Francis Brett Topp. "I was only 19" captures the feelings of those young Anzacs so perfectly, give it a listen if you get the chance Joe. Great vid.
My great great great uncle was one of the space marines that landed on Klendathu, he took down 3 bugs before taking an injury to his back. It was spinal.
My dad was a Ranger in Vietnam, 75th Ranger regiment. He was a lrrp, thats long range recon and patrol. The stories he has are crazy! He was in a few classified areas and received a bronze star and a purple heart with Valor. The tiger stories are insane!!
This is like a yin and yang setting. 2 guys with great passion of real stories and 2 comedians trying to claw for attention and acceptance. Shane and Joe talking about wars for a podcast would be sweet.
I was born in 78 and my 2 grandfathers fought in WW1 one talked about the war always but was a base cook the other never mentioned it. When we buried the quiet one we seen he had less medals than the cook grandfather and thought nothing of it. Turns out the 3 medals he kept Victoria cross the highest awarded medal in the UK still, UKO the second highest till this day and an operational service medal he served in the Guards division and when asked what he did in the war would just chuckle and say i served my country lad no more no less. I never met my Granda John but the stories are legend in our family he was a humble man who died at home aged 67.
My Dad enlisted three times in the Army and was denied because of his knees. The third time he tried to use a different name and got all the way through to the final face to face interview with the officer in the MEPS station. The officer looked at him and his enlistment jacket and remembered his face and said "this ain't You!! Get the Fuck outta here!!" He finally gave up and proposed to his girlfriend and got a job as a butcher.... Then the Army drafted him... He went to fight and received a Dear John letter six months later while in Vietnam... Howdy from Texas 🤠
One of my rotc instructors was an artillery NCO during Vietnam. I will never forget the wild stories he had and I am so grateful he was willing to share those experiences.
My father passed away last year from cancer. He was a Vietnam vet. His best mate died in his arms. He never spoke much about anything from over there as we were too young to comprehend how heavy it was. I knew I had to pay a certain amount of respect in not asking to much about such a traumatic experience. It clearly left its scars but regardless I inherited his infectious sarcasm, comedic expressions and love for all no matter what your background was. A man cemented in old school morals and manners. We’d get clipped with a slap if we forgot to use our manners or say grace or go to church. I am who is am cos of him. If not for his mentorship and life lessons , I’d be on the wrong path now. In him raising me , it helps me to stay humble and great full for the little things, to always pull your weight and work hard and treat others with respect but to also be treated with respect. Always taught to think about the consequences and repercussions of any good or bad decision I made in a calm or chaotic state of mind. It’s whats kept me from ever going to jail even though I’ve come pretty close. I learnt a lot more than he thought from him. I am eternally blessed and thankful and honoured that I had the privilege of calling him Dad …❤ love him always n I still prey to him for help cos I know I need it. R.I.P Love ya Dad. Miss you everyday ❤️
@@WLVSTVYou in every thread saying this shit go take a shower and step outside for a sec bruh i can tell nobody fw you in real life the way u spend a whole shift in this mf
Back in the 70's my Dad used to buy a lot of cedar wood for his mill. He had a helicopter to fly the blocks out of the woods and found this amazing pilot. His name was Tun and he had flown his family out of Vietnam with a helicopter so they could escape the war, that man was an incredible pilot, once he landed in our backyard and took me and my dad on a helicopter ride. I miss my dad.
That's called a success story, the first one who wished to live, and got it granted. "You sure you don't want to meet Spiderman?" "I mean, I do. But I'd rather live to be older than 7. Can we make that happen?" "...How about an athlete?" "Who's making the wish here, lady?"
i would genuinly love nothing more than to have shanes uncle on the podcast with shane at the same time, and pick his brain about whatever he is willing to talk about. he seems extremely articulate, i would LOVE to hear his side of the story of "war" and im sure he would probably love to have a platform to speak out on about it considering how articulate he is, it seems hes had plenty of time to think and try to come to terms with it, hes likely spent over 10 years trying to understand and make sense of it all, and it seems like hes come to a common ground. i would pay to see that podcast
When I was 25 I use to spend alot of my days off work hanging out with 2 Vietnam Vets, a Scout leader and a Medic... We'd play Chess drink cheap whiskey and they'd tell me a few stories. Much respect for Vietnam Vets, RIP to my buddys.
Most describe ww2 as traumatic and my grandfather said the hardest part was keeping the beer cold in the desert. Somehow he got stationed in iran during ww2 and saw zero action. Then my other grandfather got sent to the pacific islands and came back shell shocked
I knew one guy who did. He was in the Air Force and his job was working on jets on one of the large air bases in Vietnam. He said, he really did't have it that bad. Especially, he said he felt that way, when he would be repairing jets that were shot full of holes, often cleaning blood out of the cockpit, or even worse, being told that an aircraft wasn't even coming back and could be taken off the maintenance roster. He said the only times he like he might be in danger, was some of the places they went to for R and R in Saigon.
My step dad was a Forward Observer in the Marines. He loved the outdoors. He loved sneaking around in the jungle. He said he had total freedom. "Well, I mean, I had my orders and I had to do that but otherwise, I could do anything I wanted." You'd think that sounds like a psycho, but he was funny and happy and well-liked. A really good, kind man. He said it was easy to quit heroin when he got back because the H in the states was garbage! He had a boyish charm that lent an air of levity to even his darkest stories. Some folks have superhuman coping skills, I guess!
my uncle was in Vietnam never talked about it the whole 34 years I knew him, he passed away New Year’s Eve this year and a bunch of his pictures letters journals were put into a book and displayed at his funeral, really puts into perspective why some of these guys never talk about what happened to them. We are blessed to hear the stories that people actually share what a wild time thank everyone who served and rip to the ones we lost 🇺🇸❤️
Mark: Role playing game? Joe: Rocket propelled grenade Mark: Ahh thank you! I love Marks stupid dry humor but Joes inability to tell when he's joking is hilarious.
I traveled around Vietnam a few years ago when I was 36, American, had the best time of my life. Met a beautiful local girl and traveled around with her and will never forget it. The sights, the food, the people...all top notch
The fact that he was in a battle with one of the first gun ships ever made that is now evolved into something bigger then it’s self being all over games and movies is legendary
Well said. Hess. True genius and extremely hardworking at his craft but can’t turn it off. His remarks (hilarious) would be totally out of line if he wasn’t with other comics who “get” his obsession. But you can tell Gillis a little annoyed with the interruptions, although offended by the jokes.
My grandfather was a pilot in the Korean War, flying planes while paratroopers jumped out. If anyone out there has a family member that has been in war and they are willing to talk about it, ask them questions and listen to them. A lot of them have had experiences that you can only imagine.
My grandfather was a pilot during the Korean war too! He never liked to talk about his experience, and my grandma said that he would have many nightmares when he came back home :(
My grandpa was mechanic working on planes/helicopters in Korea. He’s talked about it a little and he told us he knows one phrase in Korean and it translates to I love you very much and my grandma always rolls her eyes when he brings that up 😂
My grandfather was a military postman in Vietnam. He shot someone with his sidearm who was trying to steal packages from his vehicle. The local people were starving but if the soldiers didn't get their packages the morale would drop and he was responsible for every piece of mail. He also saved someone who stepped on a mine and lost their leg. My mom would tell about me serious injuries that happened to her family as a kid and how grandpa didn't even flinch when her brother got his toes cut off by a lawnmower because, "I've seen much worse."
My dad recently retired as a USPS carrier. The only ptsd he has is from small rat crazy dogs. He told me those are the ones not to trust. I didn’t believe him, years later, I turned my back on a little shit dog and it got me just like they use to get him. Anyway. Your grandfather was a real one. Absolute badass
I would love an episode with Joe, shane and shanes uncle if he would be comfortable with going into depth of his whole experience from the training in the usa to being deployed and flying over then him explaining his step by step experience while being in Vietnam. would be an awesome episode!
My uncle flew choppers for several tours in vietnam. He was a bit of a wild man. In fact before he headed over he "commandeered" a huey from the reserve base nearby without permission and flew to our house. He landed and told my dad that he was going for a ride and they took a long joyride. This was before I was even born. My uncle was downed a couple of times because he had to fly through and into some serious situations. When he got home about as much as he spoke about it was tossing his medals, flight helmet, and some other stuff aside and said he never wanted to see that stuff again and that he didn't want to talk about it. A couple of years I was visiting him and mentioned a couple of little things about his experience. Then he asked if I could answer a question about piloting a chopper in a certain situation. Keep in mind I never even rode in a helicopter before. I said that I could try. He gave me a rather nightmare scenario, one that I honestly cannot remember because I was under a bit of pressure at that moment, but somehow just from reading and learning the basics of helicopter controls I was able to give answer. Long story short I told him what I thought should be done with the collective control, throttle, cyclic control, and yaw pedals. I was honestly kind of winging it. Without hesitation he perked up and said "Holy shit kid! Are you sure you're not damned helicopter pilot? That is exactly what I did in that situation and it saved my ass. You passed the test, so let's talk about what happened in nam. He went on to tell me about his experiences in Vietnam. What he went through being downed and under fire, the loss of countless people, a crash that occurred coming in quick on the skids to pick up troops under heavy fire, etc. It was quite amazing to hear about those things. He had quit flying, oh, about 25-30 years after Vietnam once he became the last surviving guy amongst the group that he trained with. He flew all over the world. I even read about him in national geographic as a kid. He was quite the guy, but the demons of Vietnam were always with him. He passed less than a year after that particular talk.
A family friend was in the battle of Ia Drang....his description of hand to hand fighting ( when you could get him to talk about it ) and the desperation to simply stay alive always brought tears to my eyes...
My uncle was a tunnel rat. Slept with a gun across his chest for years(I heard from family). He would tell me,"weed saved my life,I'll never stop smoking", him and 3 buddies were walking,smoking a joint. 2 stayed back to light it, two kept walking and were blown up in Vietnam. Terrible RIP T ♥
My Dad fought in Vietnam. He said it was the best and worst time of his life... He was born in '46 so he was a child of the sixties. He said there's no drug in existence that can get as high as an enemy firing at you in anger... When he flew back to Dallas after the war, people spit on him because he wore his uniform.. Howdy from Texas 🤠
Uncle Bubba my dad had a similar experience in Nam. I enlisted in the military after 9/11 and I'll never forget my dad said coming home on leave was way different for me than it was for him. Different times
I might despise our corrupt government and our military leaders for getting our men and women killed on the backs of lies But I would never disrespect those men and women who volunteer to put their life on the line for this country and the people in it.
My uncle was in the 25th infantry division, commonly known as Tropic Lightning. I went most of my entire life not knowing anything about him untill I was about 17. The man went on to be a fire fighter for over 10 years and man of God. Never missed a day at church for 25 years straight. The term "they don't make em like they used to" has never hit closer to home.
My father was in from 66-67. He was a 5’5” 135lbs. He went from being the guy who would hold the antenna up out of the fox hole to call in strike positions. Then he was a tunnel rat because of his size. He enlisted at 17 and was in Paris Island, Pendleton then vietnam by 18. My mom says he wasn’t the same after. I can say he’s not the same now as he was when I was a kid. He was very bipolar. Never knew what would trigger him. Could say the wrong thing or nothing at all and he’d be so angry. Then other days it was like nothing bothered him and he was the nicest guy. Was hard to grow up in but as I got older I understood him more. I was born in 78. Being 8 years old in 86 thinking 20 years ago was like 100 but when I look back now 20 years ago, I’d be 24 and if I had to do that shit it’s be with me forever
Being a tunnel rat must have been the most awful and terrifying experience of anyone in the war. Crawling in this small tunnel wondering if you’re going into a trap or snakes. Might even come across enemies that you’ll have to fight hand to hand because shooting the gun was too loud. Also have to fight in the dark unless lit by the enemy. All this just trying to find intel on the enemies position or future plans. Massive respect to him my dude.
@@John_Notmylastname I was there in 68' 101st. Abn. They found a 800 bed hospital in tunnels.5000 NVA were going to burn us out with flamethrowers, RPG's and small artillery. Snipers everywhere they like to attack after you posted your guards and you were trying to get some shut eye. It's so dark at night, you can't see your hand in front of your face. Then all hell breaks lose.🙏🇺🇸🗽
Spooky AC 130 motto is you can run but you’ll only die tired. It actually can’t take off with a full tank of gas because of all the ammunition so they take off without a full tank and refuel in air. Sound of freedom. Always so happy to hear them above.
I remember my uncle talking about his experience in the Vietnam war. His unit (11th ACR) was part of the invasion of Cambodia. He described how they were in constant firefights but the craziest thing he said was how glad he was when they returned back to Vietnam.
My step grandma was drafted to Vietnam at 18. He tells me how he came home to his mom having a opened piece of mail crying as he got home. Tells me crazy stories all the time. Like how he tried heroin over there in some hut. He said he did it and then fell from the second story onto sand or dirt doing snow Angeles 😂 he said in his mind this occurred. "Billy, don't do this again!" I respect tf outta him and his service. Shout out to Bill.
I've talked to a lot of vets and a lot of my neighbors are vets from different wars. Pretty crazy some of the stuff they hold in for years that they won't even tell their wives. Was cutting my lawn last summer and my neighbor a vietnam vet was trimming his hedges stopped me and just started going into a 40 minute conversation when he was with the 7th armored calvary in the mid to late 60s of the conflict
My Dad was very open with me about his service in Vietnam.. Good and bad. He's the main reason I joined the Marine Corp myself. He told me about a time they cleared a village, looking for weapons and such. After they were done they regrouped at the last hooch. Dad said a young man ran out and stabbed him in the back with a six inch blade. He said his muscle memory took over and he spun around and shot. He's 76 years old now and he says to this day he can still see the lights go out in that thirteen year old boys eyes... The only thing I could say to him is " Dad, I'm glad you didn't miss... because I wouldn't be here if you had...." Howdy from Texas 🤠
The only story I’ve been told by my grandpa about Vietnam was horrific. The only time I’ve seen that man cry. Told me a story where his group was ordered to burn a village of mainly women and children, and saw a girl with her hair on fire running towards him. Went to go shoot her so she didn’t suffer and his commander told him no. My grandpa and his brother who was with him walked away to a line of trees and waited for everything to be over. I never dared to ask about anything else afterwards. I know he’s got more stories, I know he knows alot of information on why they really went over there, but I’ll never ask that man to relive that shit again.
It’s amazing what his uncle has been through. My great grandpa who passed back in 2001 was on the beach of Normandy on D-day and was injured by a grenade. He said everyone or his friends/comrades were killed infront of him he had wild stories.
Yeah my great grandpa drove one of the unload ships onto the beach. Haven’t really known much about the guy except for that. Couldn’t imagine what they saw
@@brendanearly6481 same didn’t get to the age where my grandpa would talk to me about it before he died. I’ve heard some extraordinary stories for sure tho!
Since I was 14, I read a lot about WW1 after I found out my grandfather was in the battle of Passchendaele. It has a way of helping me realize where I stand as a man on this planet. I am the descendent of gun-fodder.
A really good friend of mine was in the 101st Airborne at Firebase Ripcord. His description of what he went through, back around 1978 when he first told me about it, sounded too crazy to be true. Years later, a book came out on Firebase Ripcord, and I realized he had been low balling how bad it was.
Just read a book called Whiskey Tango Foxtrot by Lynne Black. He was a 19 y/o green beret. He joined a recon unit that ran suicide missions into Laos. On his first mission into Laos his 9 man recon team landed in the middle of an NVA division(about 10,000).
@@JohnDoe69986 I've read a ton about Lynne black and other MACV-SOG guys. Some absolutely insane situations that I can't believe they survived and many did not. For anyone who doesn't know, they were a top secret group of green berets and indigenous recruits that went "over the wire" into Laos and Cambodia. All their missions were top secret and they weren't allowed to carry anything that would identify them as Americans. If they were captured they were instructed to speak a language other than English. This was all to provide plausible deniability for the US government because our military was not supposed to be in those countries. I highly recommend the books by John "Tilt" Stryker Meyer. Those men were the epitome of courageous badass motherfuckers and their stories are just mind blowing.
My uncle was a flame tropper and his comanding officer had him set fire to a village of 134 people and then after they were burnt to ash the comanding officer was made aware that the village they burned to ash was friendly so they had to go to the correct base and then my uncle lit the correct village on fire and left with a 247 body count. I moved in with my uncle and while he was sleeping he used to scream charlies approaching while I would be scared as shit hoping he wouldn't sleep walk and fuck us up
My step father had a similar story but he sat on a big 50 cal on the front of a river patrol boat. Boss man said get everyone in that village or be considered a traitor. So he did.
I use stories like this to showcase the fog of war and how it's always and only everyday normal people who commit atrocities, and not some crazy special person from a mythical story. Shows what we're capable of
My Uncles First deployment was the Tet offensive and his last was desert storm, I once asked how crazy was it...he looked dead at me and said well they were putting grenades under baby's to blow us up...and he looks at my brother who did 4 tours 2 Iraq and 2 Afghanistan and said to him and I rather do that again then go back to that Fnin desert.Ty to all who served and those who didn't make it back
My best friends dad was in the navy during nam.He says he saw the heroine being shipped home in coffins.my wife’s father was a tunnel rat at the age of 17.He has the bronze star.We went to the memorial an men saw him started to cry an hug him thanking him for saving their lives.
My Dads Cousin served in Vietnam as a Green Barrette Sniper and man he told us some story’s. He waited 3 days in the rain, sitting in a water filled ditch that was swampy to take 1 shot. He said it was a high ranking officer of the Vietcong, ( I don’t remember the rank he stated) and the guy would shave every morning and there was a little window next to the bathroom that he would open to dump out his bowl that he used for shaving and he would stick his head out that same window to look out at whatever. The rain let up some the third day so he had a clear shot and that dude did the same routine every morning and he took his shot when that dude stuck his head out the window and got the guy, he said it was a slow crawl back. He also said if that officer had changed his routine up some that he might still be alive. He was one hell of a shot while playing paintball as well, you would never see him.
My stepfather, who raised my sister and me, was a Vietnam Vet. Marine 1st Recon 66'-67'. They called his "group" (company, battalion, squad... not sure of the right word) Duck Bill, from what I remember. Was blown up twice, and shot several times. On one occasion he was knocked unconscious from his buddy's blown off leg while wading through a rice paddy. He never spoke much about his time; most of what I know comes from a memoir book one of his fellow Marines wrote and a curiosity of reading through his paperwork. He died in 2016 from lung cancer that was linked to his high levels of exposure to Agent Orange. I'd give anything to have one last conversation with him.
There are a bunch of podcasts on youtube from guys who were MACV SOG in Vietnam. Fighting in Laos and Cambodia in a secret war. The stories will make you sweat.
SOG Cast with John Stryker "Tilt" Meyer is on Audible, he provides a ton of insight and lets the gentlemen that he served with tell their stories and experiences. He's also been on Jocko's Podcast episode 180 is the first one I believe that he was on.
@@WrathofKitties69 I saw his podcast with dick Thompson another SOG guy and his story sounds like a Rambo scene but it’s legit ridiculous how different those guys are built
My dad flew 428 combat missions in Viet Nam as a forward air controller in an OV-10. Joe's question about sitting on the porch has a simple answer and that is he probably wouldn't say much if anything, but if he did it would only be because he cares about Shane hearing it. My dad did not like to talk about Nam much, but the rare times he did and I got to hear about it was when he was with other Vets and they were discussing their time there. When that happened and I was lucky enough to be around, then I would keep real quiet and just listen because I would hear things that otherwise would never be mentioned. The situation in Ukraine is a good analogy. There is some really, really brutal stuff happening over there right now. Pure evil is being done as we live out our lives. I am not talking about taking one side vs the other, but I am talking about the "common men" who are being forced to kill or be killed but would rather just be home to take care of their families. War is horrible and evil. Nothing to be glorified, and that is why the typical vet does not want to talk about it.
I don't think people realize how crazy it is that Shane's uncle was a main forward oberserver during the Battle of Khe Sanh. It's one of the most famous battles of the war the history is absolutely insane. Shane's uncle is a real one.
I wonder what he thought of Shane dropping out of West Point 2 weeks into boot camp.
ohh............. calf n half
You are such a hero for helping us all realize
You underestimate people
The battle lasted for days.
My fathers father was a marine in the battle of Khe Sanh. My mothers father was an airforce pilot. Khe Sanh was one of the bloodiest battles of the war. One day while being overran by vietcong the airforce gave support. A few Thanksgivings ago as they talked in the corner of the room amongst themselves they realized my grandfather flew the exact plane that saved the other…
That remains to be the only time in my life where I’ve seen both those honorable men cry.
Knowing these men were both spit on when they got back home makes me shake. Thank you to all Vietnam Vets.
I love reading these stories. I was reading another account above you and from a civ standpoint, running the numbers, It seems to be a small world during wartime.
You have what amounts to just a few million soldiers overseas total, and so naturally, they'll be involved in similar actions across the region. Particularly the major ones which make the headlines and movie reels. Khe Sanh. The fall of Saigon. The re-capture of Hue.
The Romans had their legendary losses at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest, and victories in the Punic wars...Events like Khe Sanh and Normandy seem to be passing into legend with the younger folks now. They find it all very hard to believe. 😁 It was a different time.
I dont think Thank you is appropriate for a stupid ass fucking war that never should have been fought. The stories are of courageous men made to fight a political war. My heart pains me for the loss of all the innocent men and women who died during that war, My prayers are for those who survived and were never the same, my gratitude is for those who fought and overcame the pain and tragedy they endured. I Respect and Honor them all for their sacrifice and for teaching me that our Country can be wicked to the core, not only against its enemies but its own.
My father came home to Boston with a business degree and couldn’t get a job. Imagine being a vietnam vet was a blemish on your life. He worked at stop and shop (grocery store in Massachusetts) for 40 years after he returned because it’s the only place that would hire him.
@@four_20hitman___97 that is heartbreaking. He sounds like a strong man. Didn't just give up because life was unfair. I hope he had many pockets of happiness.
My Uncle died in vietnam and my grandfather was a tunnel rat. Just recently he started opening up to me about what he experienced and I cant even begin to imagine crawling in a hole knowing theres a 3/10 chance I wouldnt crawl out. He refuses to go anywhere near the cave system they live by and wont go into basements
*gets done telling an emotional, heart breaking war story*
Joe: “woooo, can you imagine smoking a joint on a porch with that guy?”
😂
Joe Rogan telling me it would be cool to smoke a joint with my dad would be one of the greatest honors of my life
@@Bruceskyy you have practically nothing to live for then and might as well end her bud
The best war story I ever read was the book We Few. Absolutely insane stories come out of the Vietnam War, despite the scale of WWII.
Norman had me more dead the whole time he has such a silly voice
Fancy seeing you hear
My uncle was a medic in Vietnam and doesn’t talk about it much. Shane’s uncle being a forward observer in that battle is crazy. That’s probably one of most widely known battles in Vietnam there’s songs wrote about it.
Thank God for Vietnam Medics & Corpsmen. They help create the modern EMS system in the US.
My father was a corpsman there as well in 69 with the first marines first division charlie company and he rarely talked about. And when he did I realized I'll never truly know everything about him
“I had a brother at Khe Sahn, fighting off the viet cong. They’re still there, he’s all gone” -born in the USA
Cold Chisel named a song after that battle. Aussie classic.
I don’t know a single Vietnam veteran who isn’t also an alcoholic. Not a single one. War changes you, killing people changes you, and Vietnam with the lack of home support, the jungle and being outnumbered takes it to another level.
Mark is literally incapable of going 5 seconds without saying an awkward comment 😂
😂😂
Fr idk why he’s so popular lol it’s like middle schooler grade bits interrupting people
@@pistachiodisguisey911 he's like autistic man
I haven't seen the rest of the episode, but it sounds like he's extremely uncomfortable about the subject and is trying to joke out of it.
They keep talking over each other about dumb shit these dudes are lame
The gunship he was talking about is legendary, Spooky was a customed AC-47 with three mini guns and only flew at night to avoid small arms fire, used flares to light enemy positions up and bring down the fist of god. This thing was a monster and helped to defend countless outposts and areas during nighttime NVA raids. You can find videos online of it in action and its incredible to see one of the predecessor to the infamous AC-130 everyone knows.
Spooky was the call sign for all ac-47s. The original test frame was call signed "puff"
Puff the magic dragon
Spooky wasn't some custom ac47 flying around on its own as you give the impression
@@dibdabdub64 i think you just misunderstood me, there were obviously multiple i believe the actual number is somewhere around 50 at the peak
"bring down the fist of god" 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@f0wnd you have a LGBTQ flag as your PFP, you probably roleplay as a furry.
@@croaleu8820you sound like you attend those role plays
I am Hmong. We are hill tribes that lives in the hills of Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, etc. when the war started, the hmong’s sided with the Americans and fought alongside them. After the war many of the Hmongs were left to deal with the genocide from the Vietnamese because we sided with the Americans. My family had to flee to Thailand and was captured then put into refugee camps. We were eventually sponsored by churches in the US and came to the US. Even my parents don’t really like to talk about the war and fear they had to go through.
That’s interesting, I learned about your people from the Clint Eastwood movie Gran Torino. God bless you my friend.
I've heard stories from a veteran of Hmong soldiers blowing the minds of the U.S. Army and Marines of what they were capable of. Fierce
My friend was an E-5 with MACVSOG Special Forces, stationed in the highlands of Laos, setting ambush on the Ho Chi Minh trail with the Hmong forces, he loved serving alongside your people.
I’m also Hmong and my grandfather was killed in action during the war. The battalion before his was sent out for a recon mission but weeks later they couldn’t reach or get a hold of them so my grandfather was assigned to go look for them. He and several of his soldiers never made it back alive. My dad was 12 years old at the time and he was always around the camp. I know for a fact he’s got ptsd himself
Minnesota?
You can tell Shane takes history seriously. Very cool to see a great comedian who is also interested in knowledge
That’s called Autism
I like the fact he knows actually ALOT about it and even teaches me shit I didn’t even learn in school
@@gizmothag5015hell yeah gizmo learning real shit rules
He has a history degree AFAIK
He has a small series with Louis CK. called The Presidents, where they talk about EVERY US president starting. Pretty cool.
I admire Shane's uncle. The fact he's open enough to talk about it and be so articulate likely means he's at least garnered some measure of peace with all the shit that happened over there.
He's constantly in the battlefield of his mind , a soldier is always a soldier
Yeah, true
Joe should invite him on. If he wants to tell his story. And he may not.
@Carson Creer that's some shit that only a non vet would say lol. Some Hollywood bs
"Retarted" loool
My brother was in Vietnam in 1968. He came home and never spoke about his time over there until a few years ago. Even now he can’t talk about certain events without becoming emotional. My big brother has never shown sadness and grief ever to me so it was hard for me to watch him tear up.
To give you an idea of how it affected him I will sum it up in this one general statement. My brother loves movies so I asked him why he never talks about the gory horror films and he said “I saw enough blood, gore and guts for one lifetime”. I have the utmost respect for him more now than I ever did before. He came out of the army like nothing ever happened. He has had a great life.
If they don’t talk about, it’s likely they went through some crazy shit. My grandpa never talked me to much about his time there, only the somewhat good times around camp. But described it as hell. Every time he thinks about Vietnam his PSTD gets bad so we typically don’t bring it up. From what I heard he was a badass, and did some badass shit.
Probably killed lots of civilians
My brother burned villages while in Vietnam. Sometimes he’d wake up screaming while having an erection. It was one of the most unsettling things I think I’ll ever see.
I wonder how many innocent people he murdered and how many helpless women he assaulted.
@@SpaceHippo420 if you have to add “420” to all of your usernames online then we definitely value your opinion and statements.
“The Vietnamese hate the Chinese way more “ Mark - “who doesn’t “ 😂😂😂 guy is the best
We really do.
He right though
Only the dead have seen the end of war joe.
I read this as he said it bro
Ayyyyy calf n half
My Uncle was in Khe Sahn. He was Marines Recon...almost like the Navy SEALS are today. And he was the middleweight boxing champ for the Marines in the Pacific Region. Absolute savage. When i was 15 or so, I was at his house in the Rockaways in NYC. He said to me "you're old enough now kid", and let me read his reports of his experience he had to send into the VA so he could get 100% disability. It was absolutely insane. So similar to Shane though. Because my one uncle seems like he never got over it. Never stops talking about it. My uncle on the other side was 7th Air Cavalry. He was also one of the guys the cleared out the tunnels. He never talked about it. Was a bad alcoholic, was sober since i was born more or less. Never seen him drink anything other than an ODouls. Was one of the top guys in Local 3 Electrical Union in NYC. Helped dozens naybe hundreds of guys get sober. Great man. My other Uncle that couldn't get over it is an alcoholic and ruined most of the personal relationships hes ever had...War is so fucked up
These are great stories. Thanks for sharing with us! I assume the first uncle you talk about was the one who's an alcoholic now? Just making sure
None of that is true.
@@KinoRunner_ yeah. Unfortunately the other Uncle who got sober passed away in a Scuba Diving accident right after he retired from the Union...his wife, my Aunt had passed away a few years earlier. She needed a liver transplant and he gave her half his liver. A lot of times the medicine they give you so your body doesn't reject the donor liver ends up giving you cancer... that's what haooened to my Aunt. It was really sad because he'd just started doing all the things he dreamed about.... thankfully he got to check a few things off his bucket list before he passed away. One of the greatest men I've ever known
@@droe1021 lol...ok...and you'd know that how?
@@sbakernyc5761 delete your account
lovely to see Shane shine in the crowd. He is funny and a history nerd.
Its not a difficult task when ur around these knuckleheads
Shane is generally a funny guy lol seems fun to hangout with
#ShaneShine
My grandfather was 17 when he was sent off to Vietnam from Manatí, Puerto Rico. I couldn’t imagine being that young and having to fight in that grueling war! He was part of the lost platoon and was one of the 11ish survivors in his platoon of originally 28 I believe. If you haven’t read the book or watched the movie on the lost platoon, it’s certainly worth looking into. Their platoon was separated from the rest of the US troops because they chased some Vietcongs into the jungle where they were then trapped and surrounded by Vietnamese combatants while taking fire and fighting for survival for the next day or so while waiting for rescue. My grandfather was only shot a few times which is crazy considering how long they were stuck and surrounded out there for. After being rescued, he was sent out to a base to recover where he stayed for weeks on end until he was healthy enough to return to the fight. After a little over a year, he returned and received a purple heart. It’s a shame that his name is only mentioned on one page of the book and he isn’t portrayed in the movie, but I want to tell his story on film someday. His upbringing in small town Puerto Rico with 16 siblings working on the land, pretty poor, returning home and marrying his childhood sweetheart which he remains married to till this day❣️ He survived, went to college with the GI-bill he was granted, and grinded his whole life to put all 3 of his kids through school and own a business is unreal to me. He was able to surpass the odds that were against him his whole life, for me to be thankful that I’m even here…if one of those bullets hit him in a worse spot, the following 60+ years of his life would’ve never unfolded💯
Boricua! 🇵🇷
This is amazing, your grandfather is a hero!
Lies
What a man your grandfather is Ruben
Wild to think about handling all that as a teen...Particularly as we approach World Kerfuffle 3. In another time, this could have been any one of us.
I don't want to see our zoomers sent off to war in this century. Still, I don't want to cede the buffer states and eastern Europe to Russian influence. It would cause issues here at home over the long term.
I wanted the 2020's to have flappers and swing music. I was hoping we could skip the aspects related to pandemics and great wars.
Where do you think we're headed in this decade? Perhaps all this ...global unrest will settle down and we can continue to live normal lives.
Shane's uncle needs to be on a podcast he's apart of history.
L m f a o
When I joined the Army I was given the choice between an Engineer or being a Forward Observer. I went the Engineering route bc I assumed it would teach me skills that would take me further in the civilian world (after the military) more than the skills obtained from being a Forward Observer would.
I have so much respect for those guys. The amount of soldiers that rely on you to be on your shit to get those coordinates right while being shot at, rushed, adrenaline pumping, etc. is beyond comprehension.
If you didn’t go far in your civilian career, you wasted your time. I’ll never regret mine. Don’t have any skills that transfer to the civilian world besides leadership skills because running and gunning doesn’t transfer well.
@@MandenTV You have leadership skills, start there. Running and gunning has some transferable skills. You know how to take apart and clean a weapon. Those are basic repetitive skills that you master and can teach others. Apply that concept to other things like trades or professions. Take it up a level and you are teaching someone to fix a car/build a computer/perform a minor surgery. Take it up another level and you are in charge of mechanics/technicians/surgeons that you trained yourself and know they can get the job done.
My father was a viet nam vet. He was a marine. He enlisted. He was carried out of the bush twice, shrapnel and bullets. One of his ears blown off, sewn back on right there where the fighting was happening. He didn't talk about it much. Did a lot of drugs. Died very sad. God save our vets.
I was drinking in a little rural town in South Australia in about 2001. This old dude sat next to me and ordered a schooner. It took me a while to see, but this dude looked like the inspiration to Two-Face. I got his attention and asked if he would share his story if I bought him a beer. He agreed. Long story short he was in WW II. He was chasing tanks with a crew. He saw a tank top hatch wasn't secured and got on the tank, threw a grenade, and sat on the lid till it popped. He ran off for cover behind a tree under heavy fire. He put his back against the tree as a burst of fire ripped up the side of the tree. In his words "damn thing wasn't quite wide enough". The bullets tore off the side of his face but nothing hit the brain or the major parts of the skull. He was left for dead and woke up some time after and managed to stumble his way to help.
One hell of a story.
I remember my first beer
@@Benucci_music If i think real hard, i can remember my first beer. It was a Budweiser tall boy on south padre island at the age of 15.
Never puked with whiskey, but that first 16 oz beer? oof. That was an acquired taste. It's helpful to have a teenage friend standing nearby to say "don't be a bitch". 😂
That is one hell of a story fuck man imagine being lit up behind a tree and being like well this is it… then waking up hours later 😂
Bet there's not a day that goes by that he wishes he had just left that damn tank alone lol
My first beer was sitting around a fire telling these old geezers how I made it to Oregon by myself at such a young age I think I was 15 at that time they were upper 40’s probably. It was a ‘starburst IPA’ I believe it’s called.
This story may put things into a small context regarding Shane’s uncle’s story. An elderly buddy of mine told me this about his father who was a Canadian machine gunner in the trenches of WW1. Being a gunner using the water-cooled Vickers, he and his mates became a target for the Germans who focused their charges more toward his and other gunners. His father never talked about it much but connecting the dots, he must have taken out hundreds or more of attackers a mere 20 yards or so from his position. Just imagine hearing the moans etc… of the wounded left in the mud right in front of you and you were the cause of it, helping was out the question as you can understand. He survived, mustered home and was a very quiet passive man. What we figured helped him cope with what we now call PTSD he joined a beer league of hockey players and became a very good goaler. The irony of this is pretty evident but it worked for him, we figured out it was the I must protect his mates and the visual of being a goaler of the opposing team skating toward you to score (over run) it falls on him to not allow that to happen. In a way heal through changing the context yet the premise is the same.
This is incredible. I was physically assaulted and developed PTSD as a result. I ended up getting into MMA and found a lot of peace, and after reading your comment I can't help but think it was a similar type of exposure therapy for me. I love psychology and your observation is astounding.
Just imagine hearing the moans 😩
Did he tell you about the Canadian war crimes too
Blocker in both lives
That's an amazing approach. I'm glad it worked for him.
My Dad was in that documentary! (He was apart of Ambassador Graham Martin's personal security unit during the Fall of Saigon. You can see him walking with Ambassador Martin a couple of times throughout that documentary.) He was a great man, a hell of a Marine and one of the best fathers anyone could ever hope to have. Some people dream of getting to meet their hero's. I was raised by mine.
RIP Msgt Colin D. Broussard
That's awesome. RIP to your pops
What a legend. Vietnam vets and all vets have my full respect. I love Americans because they keep my home safe I want to visit one day. Hollywood!
What a legend. Vietnam vets and all vets have my full respect. I love Americans because they keep my home safe I want to visit one day. Hollywood!
My great-uncle was a mortar man in Vietnam, he was killed by friendly fire. Apparently, they would overheat so as they were pouring water on them it accidentally went off and went right through him. Never got to meet his son. I'll never forget the story of my grandmother telling me about the day they came to present the family with the flag. Hate that his name is on the Vietnam wall but makes me proud as well.
Daniel R. Meadow, Served with HHC, 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Division
Why are you proud. The guy got killed by his govt and roped into invading another country unprovoked, like Japan hitting Pearl Harbor. RIP to him but he's a crime victim not a hero
@@emilianosintarias7337 he should definitely be proud… dude probably didn’t have a choice if he wanted to go and when he got there he was fighting that’s brave just because a great accident happened doesn’t mean the man deserves any less credit all soldiers deserve your pity regardless of where they’re from and what they think because it’s either they had no choice or they were indoctrinated either way they need to seen as the brave men they’re fighting for something they might truly think could make the world better or literally just trying to survive something they had no choice in crime victim doesnt mean he’s any less brave he couldve went AWOL but no he was fighting
@@noah7008brainwashed bs
@@emilianosintarias7337rip to all our veterans. Most were drafted
@@emilianosintarias7337Jesus christ show some empathy dude.
His uncle is pretty articulate, great to have people like this tell the world their stories.
My grandfather (my hero) was wounded and recieved his purple heart in the battle of khe san. He returned to Washington DC after that and stayed in the msrines and joined the marine corp silent drill team. Every memorial day we eat s steak and baked potato because his best friend that died in the battle always said when he got out he wanted a steak and baked potato. The stories he tells are bone chilling.
My uncle was a navy diver in Vietnam and the war changed him forever. He was addicted to opiates and booze and would have night terrors and tear my grandmothers house apart looking for Charlie on a weekly basis. Cops knew him by name in the area because of these episodes. For some the fog of war never clears.
My husband ‘s
three brothers were in Vietnam - they came back alive however we’re never the same . One was Army, one USMC, and one Air Force. According to their wives they didn’t speak about it and were changed forever. A miracle they came back
My cousins were in Namek, they served in the Ginyu force they were never the same once they fought Goku.
@@eugenemurray2708 yo STFU 🗣️🤣🤣🤣🤣 I really sat here an read that omfg lmaooo
I didn't really understand what was going on in Vietnam because I was young, 8-10 yrs old or so. My cousin, Jackie, stepped on a mine in Vietnam. I remember going to visit him at my aunt and uncle's house. He seemed 'cool as a cucumber', probably disassociated from what happened, sitting in a recliner telling us about how he stepped on the mine while he was on patrol with his squad, on a trail between rice fields going into some woods. I remember he said they looked out for traps but he stepped where there was some grass on the side of the trail. A couple of other people got hurt too. I remember, his right leg below his knee was black, his toes were gone, his foot a stump. He committed suicide a year later... I remember wondering why he would kill himself and being so very sad he was gone because I looked up to him. I know now he was in tremendous physical and emotional pain and he wanted to leave this world. War needs to be stopped. God, make it stop...
@@puckered6036 Completely untrue. You should read the book, which is called the Bible, before you speak on God, namely the God of the Jews and anyone else who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
And how I know you've never once read the Bible, let alone a single book of the Bible thru and thru, is because if you did you would know that war, murder and any and all atrocities are the results of us humans living in sin and turning our back or refusing to believe in God. This along with the fact the the actual God of this earth and ruler of all things of this earth is not my God, but the God of those who've been deceived, duped, or are outright evil themselves by choice. And have full knowledge and are well aware of the master they serve. And the God of this earth and world name is Lucifer (Satan, Horus, Baal, Devil, Cupid, Tammuz, and the list goes on and on).
So it is actually a curse that we humans have allowed to live and grow, as every sin makes for greater sin. When we could instead make right with God as a race and people, and war or any other atrocities would cease to exist. But to many of us humans are either to stupid to have .faith and belief in God. Or we are far to prideful and think we ourselves are God's.
And to go even deeper, the Goddess Ishtar or Nanaya or NaNa or the IllNana is the actual Goddess of War.
So for her to be worshipped and exalted, this Goddesses blood thirst must be quench by the very act of War. So in actuality it is her that loves war and allows and demands it's monger.
And this Goddesses other fruits and attributes are being the Goddess of love, but moreso the lovers that have been scorned. As well as the twisted love of duality. And lastly, being the Goddess of Pride.
So to sum her faiths up you have, War, Love, Homosexuality and the act of a man becoming woman and woman becoming man, and Pride. And if you can't read the Bible, I'm sure you can read up on Ishtar, as you will see that since the very act of prayer has been ripped out of schools, a long with the spirit of prayer no longer being honored in this country, something has to fill that spiritual void. And Ishtar has clearly, and happily filled that void. This is why we see War and rumors of War at such an astounding rate. And the influx of gays, and now even stronger the growth of the trans, and their very symbol, flag, name and overall nature of their faith and belief being that of, you guessed it, Pride.
So if anyone does just a hint of research or reading you will see that homosexuality and the Pride movement is simply a curse for ones past generations sin. And or ones family having no faith in God, so ones offspring is easily put under the spell of Pride. Or how we say being involved and believing in the Pride Movement.
You're welcome
@puckered6036 great life lessons are
Ideals are peaceful. History is violent.
RIP to him. Only the dead have seen the end of war.
@@Zedhedd Thank you. Succinctly said. I didn't ask us to stop it. I asked God to do it for us. (I am agnostic but say prayers sometimes). I commented remembering as I felt as a boy, looking back as an old man. Jackie didn't have a choice because he was drafted. This may be disquieting to some but, In some way, I wish he had died fighting and didn't take his own life because of despair. I chose to go into the military and was ready to kill people and give up my life 'for my country,' which seems like an ephemeral reason now. We are such loving yet terrible creatures. Perhaps this is why we are remarkable in our thoughts and feelings. best wishes
I remember an old boss of my mine was a Vietnam vet he flew helicopters and was shot down once. I only knew what he did because I overheard him talking with another vet at work. We had to take a business trip once and we both flew and sat together. I flew all my life and never felt turbulence like we had that day. Stuff flew up and his the ceiling and crashed back down, some people screamed and I was white knuckling the arm rest and without skipping a beat he turned the page on his newspaper and casually said that was probably a a few hundred feet lol I've never been able to relax on a flight since.
I was one of those guys that signed up for the army after 9/11. I wanted to hurt the people responsible but I didn’t know who they were. Turns out none of the people I killed had nothing to do with it. They likely couldn’t find America on a map. I regret it everyday
Bless you sir. None of it was your fault.
God bless you. Thank you for your service.
Damn I've never heard it put quite like that. God bless you sir
lots of americans can't find america on the map. you should go hurt those idiots. lol
You couldn't have known and the fact that you were willing to risk your life for this country and the people in it says a hell of a lot about you and your character and I thank you for your service.
A good friend of mine, his Father was a Navy Seal in Vietnam. As he got older, he started to talk about his experiences more. I've always been a good listener. If you don't judge the person talking to you, and you don't celebrate them either, they will tell you a lot.
Shane and Mark are like 2 guys who grew up together 😂constantly busting each others chops
@@louiecampers1767 i think we're past that already. Can't get any worse than the whole N word scandal from Joe last year. That was the worst it got
@@brownjatt21 Joe will never get cancelled. Great clip when Izzy adaesana at a fight presser grabs the mic and said fuck the bullshit Joe Rogan my boy he isn't racist so shut the fuck up 🙌🏻
My dad is a Viet Nam Vet. Viet Nam was over the control of opium in South East Asia. I was present the moment my dad learned the actually truth about the war. We watched a documentary. I was probably 10 or 11 years old and I remember clearly feeling the emotiins of my dad who sat there calm like a bomb. I hate the system. I live our Soldiers. To any Soldiers who struggle with some of their experiences, you served out of heart. Out of love of your family and home. And thats what speaks volumes! THANK YOU, from the bottom of my heart!
My dad was athiest when he joined the USMC and came back a believer of God. I hope he forgives hiself for the guilt he carries doing what he had to do to survive while protecting his home and country ❤❤❤ I wish I could hug you all and take away all the burden you carry
RIP your dad 🙏 at least he's at peace now
My Dad, Charley aka "Badger" Taylor, was the radioman for his Green Beret platoon (5th Special Forces). He did three Vietnam tours and received a purple heart.
He was always with the Captain, as radioman he carried two Mossberg 12 ga. pump shotguns loaded with illegal 00 buckshot. When the fighting got close, he would go thru hundreds of rounds that really made a mess of anyone in front of them. Badger was not a big talker of War stories but I did pull some really nasty stories out of him. After his last tour , when he took a B-40 rocket hit nearby, that gave him shrapnel wounds and blew him into a tree, which fractured his pelvis he was flown to Washington State and hospitalized for 9 months. He was medically discharged and given many prescriptions, which he could not take, so he used Jack Daniels to medicate. He died in 2013 at 72 years old with small cell carcinoma, lung, liver, and other lesions... Agent Orange definitely took some of his health.
Badger was a smooth talking Cowboy, who rarely used "nasty words". I miss him.
His service in Vietnam ended my parents marriage early because he was obsessed with being a War hero and gain the respect of my Grandfather, Howell, who was a 30 year U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer. Howell, was wounded in WWII in Italy while riding a WLA Harley carrying urgent dispatches.
BLESS both of their Spirits! I Love the Republic of these United States.
I am a USAF veteran, 1979 - 1983, and my little brother, Chris, is a U.S.M.C. veteran. Salute
Get him on the podcast if he's willing. I would be good for people to know what our vets go through
They won’t do it
Absolutely
@@mumphryjoe 100% would
Both uncles were in there, toughest men I’ve ever met. One came back as a marine , fucked up from the agent orange.. family hated him. Other one was a chopper gunner, got shot down , survived an ambush after getting shot down and came back and was the best uncle I could ever ask for. Always got us the best gifts, never talked about the war.
I spent 4 years in the army as a Forward Observer (13F). They changed the name to Fire Support Specialist in 2004 when the realigned the Army, and his recount of our job is spot on. The first thing they taught us in school about our job was that, on a battlefield, we would be the first person targeted by enemy fire. It is a bit of a shock to your system when your drill sergeant tells you that an infantryman in a battle has a 4-minute life expectancy and you only have a 33 second life expectancy. Nothing like going into a war thinking if a fight breaks out, you're more likely to die in less than a minute than survive the battle because you are the guy with the radio raining down artillery on the enemy. I couldn't even imagine being a forward observer in Vietnam, much respect to Shane's uncle and glad he made it back.
I think during Vietnam it wasn't a separate specialty yet, a lot of that differentiation came later. Just whatever guy showed aptitude got the job. Vietnam was weird-- if you commissioned as an artillery officer there was like a 60% chance you would end up as a helicopter pilot. Later in the 70s the Army got a more formalized MOS system with a lot more resolution than they had in Indochina. Although if it was Khe Sanh they are talking about Shane's uncle would have been USMC not Army. Had to be a system shock for the USMC since they rarely fought the NVA before that, mostly being VC hunters.
Ken Burns’ Vietnam is the best documentary I’ve ever seen. Genuinely haunting, and SO informative
what
My husband was point man and refused to go into the tunnel. The guy above him went and tripped a wire and my husband was seriously injured, 18 months in the hospital and a lifetime of nightmares. 😢😢
Coward
@pojo 10 tunnel rats movie on UA-cam is crazy
Always keep the flamethrower topped off and the pilot flame lit wwWWhHHHHOUUUURRRRLLLISSSSHHH!!!!
pop crackle tick ffispuit! pop!! tic!
Please tell your husband that I am grateful for his service, his courage, and I refuse to take the sacrifices he and many others like him made for granted. Every day we have in this once great nation is solely the responsibility of folks like your husband. We owe them everything.
One last thing if I may. Please give your husband a great big bear hug. Tight as you can and tell him I said "Welcome Home". ♥️
My great great uncle was one of the youngest ANZACs to die in the battle of Long Tan, Private Francis Brett Topp. "I was only 19" captures the feelings of those young Anzacs so perfectly, give it a listen if you get the chance Joe. Great vid.
Lest we forget.
My great great great uncle was one of the space marines that landed on Klendathu, he took down 3 bugs before taking an injury to his back. It was spinal.
That song is the perfect depiction of what those brave young men went through, still puts a lump in my throat.
Lest we forget
My dad was a Ranger in Vietnam, 75th Ranger regiment. He was a lrrp, thats long range recon and patrol. The stories he has are crazy! He was in a few classified areas and received a bronze star and a purple heart with Valor. The tiger stories are insane!!
Same with my dad. He was there in 70-71. He was also a Ranger and lrrp. What year(s) was your dad there? His last name is Sumner...
@@bluepunk182 68-69.
lrrp's...Those guys are legendary. All of these folks are approaching their 80s now. Talk to them while you have the chance. 🥰
@@snickle1980 Absolutely! My old man just built a Factory Five Cobra! He's 78 and keeps on ticking!
Nah. You can’t leave us hangin. TIGER STORIES?! I need to hear them please 🙏🏾
This is like a yin and yang setting. 2 guys with great passion of real stories and 2 comedians trying to claw for attention and acceptance. Shane and Joe talking about wars for a podcast would be sweet.
It's a crime to group Normand and Ari in the same category.
Normand was super respectful. “Are you sure hed want you reading these”. Ari looks like a fuck, is a fuck.
“Claw for attention” more like being funny and entertaining
@@NotAfraid280the attempt at entertainment was pretty desperate imo
@@timothyroome-traut8324 not really lol they’re friends making jokes what’s desperate about it lol
I was born in 78 and my 2 grandfathers fought in WW1 one talked about the war always but was a base cook the other never mentioned it. When we buried the quiet one we seen he had less medals than the cook grandfather and thought nothing of it.
Turns out the 3 medals he kept Victoria cross the highest awarded medal in the UK still, UKO the second highest till this day and an operational service medal he served in the Guards division and when asked what he did in the war would just chuckle and say i served my country lad no more no less.
I never met my Granda John but the stories are legend in our family he was a humble man who died at home aged 67.
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I was just reading about the Victoria cross. He was a badass, wow
What's his name?
John ________?
@@JohnnyLandscape McAuley from Fife you can find him under VC winners or DCO winners either if you are looking to troll
My Dad enlisted three times in the Army and was denied because of his knees. The third time he tried to use a different name and got all the way through to the final face to face interview with the officer in the MEPS station. The officer looked at him and his enlistment jacket and remembered his face and said "this ain't You!! Get the Fuck outta here!!" He finally gave up and proposed to his girlfriend and got a job as a butcher.... Then the Army drafted him... He went to fight and received a Dear John letter six months later while in Vietnam... Howdy from Texas 🤠
Good Lord.
God damn… make it a movie
Dude I fuckin hate woman and life in that order
Howdy back!
That’s the machine, don’t want you till they want to phuhk you
My grandfather was a Vietnam vet. He woke up crying from nightmares all the way up until he died.
One of my rotc instructors was an artillery NCO during Vietnam. I will never forget the wild stories he had and I am so grateful he was willing to share those experiences.
My father passed away last year from cancer. He was a Vietnam vet. His best mate died in his arms. He never spoke much about anything from over there as we were too young to comprehend how heavy it was. I knew I had to pay a certain amount of respect in not asking to much about such a traumatic experience. It clearly left its scars but regardless I inherited his infectious sarcasm, comedic expressions and love for all no matter what your background was. A man cemented in old school morals and manners. We’d get clipped with a slap if we forgot to use our manners or say grace or go to church. I am who is am cos of him. If not for his mentorship and life lessons , I’d be on the wrong path now. In him raising me , it helps me to stay humble and great full for the little things, to always pull your weight and work hard and treat others with respect but to also be treated with respect. Always taught to think about the consequences and repercussions of any good or bad decision I made in a calm or chaotic state of mind. It’s whats kept me from ever going to jail even though I’ve come pretty close. I learnt a lot more than he thought from him. I am eternally blessed and thankful and honoured that I had the privilege of calling him Dad …❤ love him always n I still prey to him for help cos I know I need it. R.I.P Love ya Dad. Miss you everyday ❤️
liar
@@WLVSTVYou in every thread saying this shit go take a shower and step outside for a sec bruh i can tell nobody fw you in real life the way u spend a whole shift in this mf
Why did you nearly go to jail holy joe
Was his name Patrick, from CT?
What was his name? Only if you don’t mind of course
Back in the 70's my Dad used to buy a lot of cedar wood for his mill. He had a helicopter to fly the blocks out of the woods and found this amazing pilot. His name was Tun and he had flown his family out of Vietnam with a helicopter so they could escape the war, that man was an incredible pilot, once he landed in our backyard and took me and my dad on a helicopter ride. I miss my dad.
Shane looks like the world's oldest make a wish kid.
spot on
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cool of you to take his own joke. Loser
That's called a success story, the first one who wished to live, and got it granted.
"You sure you don't want to meet Spiderman?"
"I mean, I do. But I'd rather live to be older than 7. Can we make that happen?"
"...How about an athlete?"
"Who's making the wish here, lady?"
,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i would genuinly love nothing more than to have shanes uncle on the podcast with shane at the same time, and pick his brain about whatever he is willing to talk about. he seems extremely articulate, i would LOVE to hear his side of the story of "war" and im sure he would probably love to have a platform to speak out on about it considering how articulate he is, it seems hes had plenty of time to think and try to come to terms with it, hes likely spent over 10 years trying to understand and make sense of it all, and it seems like hes come to a common ground.
i would pay to see that podcast
I really hope his uncle finds peace. There's still so many old men who blame themselves for their friends' demise.
Survivors remorse
I felt his pain when he said he should have died with his men. War is hell I hope he’s doing alright.
When I was 25 I use to spend alot of my days off work hanging out with 2 Vietnam Vets, a Scout leader and a Medic... We'd play Chess drink cheap whiskey and they'd tell me a few stories. Much respect for Vietnam Vets, RIP to my buddys.
Met a hell of a lot of Vietnam vets. None of them described it as a holiday vacation.
Most describe ww2 as traumatic and my grandfather said the hardest part was keeping the beer cold in the desert. Somehow he got stationed in iran during ww2 and saw zero action. Then my other grandfather got sent to the pacific islands and came back shell shocked
I knew one guy who did. He was in the Air Force and his job was working on jets on one of the large air bases in Vietnam. He said, he really did't have it that bad. Especially, he said he felt that way, when he would be repairing jets that were shot full of holes, often cleaning blood out of the cockpit, or even worse, being told that an aircraft wasn't even coming back and could be taken off the maintenance roster. He said the only times he like he might be in danger, was some of the places they went to for R and R in Saigon.
My step dad was a Forward Observer in the Marines. He loved the outdoors. He loved sneaking around in the jungle. He said he had total freedom. "Well, I mean, I had my orders and I had to do that but otherwise, I could do anything I wanted."
You'd think that sounds like a psycho, but he was funny and happy and well-liked. A really good, kind man. He said it was easy to quit heroin when he got back because the H in the states was garbage! He had a boyish charm that lent an air of levity to even his darkest stories. Some folks have superhuman coping skills, I guess!
@Not Suspicious Human , I guess Vietnam was really the luck of the draw.
Which war can be described as a holiday vacation?
my uncle was in Vietnam never talked about it the whole 34 years I knew him, he passed away New Year’s Eve this year and a bunch of his pictures letters journals were put into a book and displayed at his funeral, really puts into perspective why some of these guys never talk about what happened to them. We are blessed to hear the stories that people actually share what a wild time thank everyone who served and rip to the ones we lost 🇺🇸❤️
“They hit him with an RPG.”
Mark: “A role-playing game?” Lmao
Mark: Role playing game?
Joe: Rocket propelled grenade
Mark: Ahh thank you!
I love Marks stupid dry humor but Joes inability to tell when he's joking is hilarious.
I traveled around Vietnam a few years ago when I was 36, American, had the best time of my life. Met a beautiful local girl and traveled around with her and will never forget it. The sights, the food, the people...all top notch
hahaha brilliant "I had my fun" comment in admidst all this carnage
The fact that he was in a battle with one of the first gun ships ever made that is now evolved into something bigger then it’s self being all over games and movies is legendary
My great grandfather to the day he died; which was 2 years ago, he would scream in his sleep and talk to his platoon. It was wild.
"Calf in half" lmao I can't with Mark. Love his dark humor so much 🤣🤣🤣
its calf n half but close enough
The way Mark delivers "Thank God for Spooky" 🤣
Always interesting to see mark Normand so dedicated to comedy at all times but I imagine it would be incredibly taxing to be around all the time
well said
Well said. Hess. True genius and extremely hardworking at his craft but can’t turn it off. His remarks (hilarious) would be totally out of line if he wasn’t with other comics who “get” his obsession. But you can tell Gillis a little annoyed with the interruptions, although offended by the jokes.
Shane and Mark are essential to making these group-pods so damn good man.
My grandfather was a pilot in the Korean War, flying planes while paratroopers jumped out. If anyone out there has a family member that has been in war and they are willing to talk about it, ask them questions and listen to them. A lot of them have had experiences that you can only imagine.
My grandfather was a pilot during the Korean war too! He never liked to talk about his experience, and my grandma said that he would have many nightmares when he came back home :(
My grandpa was mechanic working on planes/helicopters in Korea. He’s talked about it a little and he told us he knows one phrase in Korean and it translates to I love you very much and my grandma always rolls her eyes when he brings that up 😂
That’s absolutely true. It’s so important that they tell the real story. Otherwise, all we have is the official statement, which is always wrong.
Korea...somewhat of a forgotten war that was brutal as hell..
My grandfather was a military postman in Vietnam. He shot someone with his sidearm who was trying to steal packages from his vehicle. The local people were starving but if the soldiers didn't get their packages the morale would drop and he was responsible for every piece of mail. He also saved someone who stepped on a mine and lost their leg. My mom would tell about me serious injuries that happened to her family as a kid and how grandpa didn't even flinch when her brother got his toes cut off by a lawnmower because, "I've seen much worse."
that's pretty fucked up dude 😕
This is the comments section to comment about this video, not a therapy session
wow, he sounds like a complete POS. i'm really sorry for you
My dad recently retired as a USPS carrier. The only ptsd he has is from small rat crazy dogs. He told me those are the ones not to trust. I didn’t believe him, years later, I turned my back on a little shit dog and it got me just like they use to get him.
Anyway. Your grandfather was a real one. Absolute badass
killed someone who is starving because boys would be mad on you if they did not get their food and cigarettes is kinda disgusting, not gonna lie
Normand is relentless.
Never misses a punchline 🤣🤣🤣
So true😂
Mark completely being underrated for his one liners
I would love an episode with Joe, shane and shanes uncle if he would be comfortable with going into depth of his whole experience from the training in the usa to being deployed and flying over then him explaining his step by step experience while being in Vietnam. would be an awesome episode!
Hell yeah stewy you won a prize
It would be amazing!
My grandfather was a paratrooper in Vietnam. Had some wild stories… but that’s another level. What a legend.
My uncle flew choppers for several tours in vietnam. He was a bit of a wild man. In fact before he headed over he "commandeered" a huey from the reserve base nearby without permission and flew to our house. He landed and told my dad that he was going for a ride and they took a long joyride. This was before I was even born.
My uncle was downed a couple of times because he had to fly through and into some serious situations.
When he got home about as much as he spoke about it was tossing his medals, flight helmet, and some other stuff aside and said he never wanted to see that stuff again and that he didn't want to talk about it.
A couple of years I was visiting him and mentioned a couple of little things about his experience. Then he asked if I could answer a question about piloting a chopper in a certain situation. Keep in mind I never even rode in a helicopter before. I said that I could try.
He gave me a rather nightmare scenario, one that I honestly cannot remember because I was under a bit of pressure at that moment, but somehow just from reading and learning the basics of helicopter controls I was able to give answer. Long story short I told him what I thought should be done with the collective control, throttle, cyclic control, and yaw pedals. I was honestly kind of winging it.
Without hesitation he perked up and said "Holy shit kid! Are you sure you're not damned helicopter pilot? That is exactly what I did in that situation and it saved my ass. You passed the test, so let's talk about what happened in nam.
He went on to tell me about his experiences in Vietnam. What he went through being downed and under fire, the loss of countless people, a crash that occurred coming in quick on the skids to pick up troops under heavy fire, etc. It was quite amazing to hear about those things.
He had quit flying, oh, about 25-30 years after Vietnam once he became the last surviving guy amongst the group that he trained with. He flew all over the world. I even read about him in national geographic as a kid. He was quite the guy, but the demons of Vietnam were always with him.
He passed less than a year after that particular talk.
A family friend was in the battle of Ia Drang....his description of hand to hand fighting ( when you could get him to talk about it ) and the desperation to simply stay alive always brought tears to my eyes...
*Shane pauses at beginning of story*
Ari: “I went to the…”
*No one boards that train of thought*
My uncle was a tunnel rat. Slept with a gun across his chest for years(I heard from family). He would tell me,"weed saved my life,I'll never stop smoking", him and 3 buddies were walking,smoking a joint. 2 stayed back to light it, two kept walking and were blown up in Vietnam. Terrible
RIP T ♥
Mark: “role playing game?”
Joe: “rocket propelled grenade”
Mark: “thanks” 🤣💀
Mark is a comedian who's funny off stage as well
My Dad fought in Vietnam. He said it was the best and worst time of his life... He was born in '46 so he was a child of the sixties. He said there's no drug in existence that can get as high as an enemy firing at you in anger... When he flew back to Dallas after the war, people spit on him because he wore his uniform.. Howdy from Texas 🤠
With peace&love I’m gonna go ahead and say him & I are not into the same highs
Uncle Bubba my dad had a similar experience in Nam. I enlisted in the military after 9/11 and I'll never forget my dad said coming home on leave was way different for me than it was for him. Different times
@@rynohorn3819 The difference is your boss killed a bunch of Americans to get the peoples support for your invasions. They learned from Nam.
I might despise our corrupt government and our military leaders for getting our men and women killed on the backs of lies But I would never disrespect those men and women who volunteer to put their life on the line for this country and the people in it.
@pojo 10 Speak for yourself....
My uncle was in the 25th infantry division, commonly known as Tropic Lightning. I went most of my entire life not knowing anything about him untill I was about 17. The man went on to be a fire fighter for over 10 years and man of God. Never missed a day at church for 25 years straight. The term "they don't make em like they used to" has never hit closer to home.
My husband was in the same division in 1970 he was only 19 yrs old & a medic he didn’t make it
Here's to Shane's uncle. What a warrior!
My father was in from 66-67. He was a 5’5” 135lbs. He went from being the guy who would hold the antenna up out of the fox hole to call in strike positions. Then he was a tunnel rat because of his size. He enlisted at 17 and was in Paris Island, Pendleton then vietnam by 18. My mom says he wasn’t the same after. I can say he’s not the same now as he was when I was a kid. He was very bipolar. Never knew what would trigger him. Could say the wrong thing or nothing at all and he’d be so angry. Then other days it was like nothing bothered him and he was the nicest guy. Was hard to grow up in but as I got older I understood him more. I was born in 78. Being 8 years old in 86 thinking 20 years ago was like 100 but when I look back now 20 years ago, I’d be 24 and if I had to do that shit it’s be with me forever
Being a tunnel rat must have been the most awful and terrifying experience of anyone in the war. Crawling in this small tunnel wondering if you’re going into a trap or snakes. Might even come across enemies that you’ll have to fight hand to hand because shooting the gun was too loud. Also have to fight in the dark unless lit by the enemy. All this just trying to find intel on the enemies position or future plans. Massive respect to him my dude.
@@John_Notmylastname I was there in 68' 101st. Abn. They found a 800 bed hospital in tunnels.5000 NVA were going to burn us out with flamethrowers, RPG's and small artillery. Snipers everywhere they like to attack after you posted your guards and you were trying to get some shut eye. It's so dark at night, you can't see your hand in front of your face. Then all hell breaks lose.🙏🇺🇸🗽
@@John_NotmylastnameMy grandpa was a tunnel rat too. Was 5’2”. Killed himself after the war, never got to meet him.
Going into years of war at an age where your mind is still developing HAS to fuck with a person’a mentality long-term. That’s insane.
Spooky AC 130 motto is you can run but you’ll only die tired. It actually can’t take off with a full tank of gas because of all the ammunition so they take off without a full tank and refuel in air. Sound of freedom. Always so happy to hear them above.
freedom from whom?
I remember my uncle talking about his experience in the Vietnam war. His unit (11th ACR) was part of the invasion of Cambodia. He described how they were in constant firefights but the craziest thing he said was how glad he was when they returned back to Vietnam.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire, eh?
Your uncle spoke truth.
My Dad served In Country, 68-69 with 3rd Battallion 26th Marines, 3 purple hearts. Thank you to all who served, and welcome home.
My step grandma was drafted to Vietnam at 18. He tells me how he came home to his mom having a opened piece of mail crying as he got home. Tells me crazy stories all the time. Like how he tried heroin over there in some hut. He said he did it and then fell from the second story onto sand or dirt doing snow Angeles 😂 he said in his mind this occurred. "Billy, don't do this again!" I respect tf outta him and his service. Shout out to Bill.
I've talked to a lot of vets and a lot of my neighbors are vets from different wars. Pretty crazy some of the stuff they hold in for years that they won't even tell their wives. Was cutting my lawn last summer and my neighbor a vietnam vet was trimming his hedges stopped me and just started going into a 40 minute conversation when he was with the 7th armored calvary in the mid to late 60s of the conflict
My Dad was very open with me about his service in Vietnam.. Good and bad. He's the main reason I joined the Marine Corp myself. He told me about a time they cleared a village, looking for weapons and such. After they were done they regrouped at the last hooch. Dad said a young man ran out and stabbed him in the back with a six inch blade. He said his muscle memory took over and he spun around and shot. He's 76 years old now and he says to this day he can still see the lights go out in that thirteen year old boys eyes... The only thing I could say to him is " Dad, I'm glad you didn't miss... because I wouldn't be here if you had...." Howdy from Texas 🤠
Howdy from Florida. Again.
Im glad you still have your dad. Cherish him. My dad just passed away from agent orange exposure. He was 73 and tough as a tank till his last breath.
The only story I’ve been told by my grandpa about Vietnam was horrific. The only time I’ve seen that man cry. Told me a story where his group was ordered to burn a village of mainly women and children, and saw a girl with her hair on fire running towards him. Went to go shoot her so she didn’t suffer and his commander told him no. My grandpa and his brother who was with him walked away to a line of trees and waited for everything to be over. I never dared to ask about anything else afterwards. I know he’s got more stories, I know he knows alot of information on why they really went over there, but I’ll never ask that man to relive that shit again.
It’s amazing what his uncle has been through. My great grandpa who passed back in 2001 was on the beach of Normandy on D-day and was injured by a grenade. He said everyone or his friends/comrades were killed infront of him he had wild stories.
Yeah my great grandpa drove one of the unload ships onto the beach. Haven’t really known much about the guy except for that. Couldn’t imagine what they saw
@@brendanearly6481 same didn’t get to the age where my grandpa would talk to me about it before he died. I’ve heard some extraordinary stories for sure tho!
Since I was 14, I read a lot about WW1 after I found out my grandfather was in the battle of Passchendaele.
It has a way of helping me realize where I stand as a man on this planet.
I am the descendent of gun-fodder.
A really good friend of mine was in the 101st Airborne at Firebase Ripcord. His description of what he went through, back around 1978 when he first told me about it, sounded too crazy to be true. Years later, a book came out on Firebase Ripcord, and I realized he had been low balling how bad it was.
Is Your Friend still with Us?
Just read a book called Whiskey Tango Foxtrot by Lynne Black. He was a 19 y/o green beret. He joined a recon unit that ran suicide missions into Laos. On his first mission into Laos his 9 man recon team landed in the middle of an NVA division(about 10,000).
@@JohnDoe69986 I've read a ton about Lynne black and other MACV-SOG guys. Some absolutely insane situations that I can't believe they survived and many did not. For anyone who doesn't know, they were a top secret group of green berets and indigenous recruits that went "over the wire" into Laos and Cambodia. All their missions were top secret and they weren't allowed to carry anything that would identify them as Americans. If they were captured they were instructed to speak a language other than English. This was all to provide plausible deniability for the US government because our military was not supposed to be in those countries. I highly recommend the books by John "Tilt" Stryker Meyer. Those men were the epitome of courageous badass motherfuckers and their stories are just mind blowing.
"The Things They Carried" by Tim O'Brien is another book I highly recommend.
@@lorihanlon5389 John Wayne Spruill. There is a UA-cam interview of him talking about his time there.
Chickenhawk, one of the best books I’ve ever read.
My uncle was a flame tropper and his comanding officer had him set fire to a village of 134 people and then after they were burnt to ash the comanding officer was made aware that the village they burned to ash was friendly so they had to go to the correct base and then my uncle lit the correct village on fire and left with a 247 body count. I moved in with my uncle and while he was sleeping he used to scream charlies approaching while I would be scared as shit hoping he wouldn't sleep walk and fuck us up
My step father had a similar story but he sat on a big 50 cal on the front of a river patrol boat. Boss man said get everyone in that village or be considered a traitor. So he did.
I use stories like this to showcase the fog of war and how it's always and only everyday normal people who commit atrocities, and not some crazy special person from a mythical story. Shows what we're capable of
Made more Vietcong than we killed. Just like the Taliban.
Man that is sad... If I had basically killed 134 innocent people, I wouldn't sleep either... in fact I probably would have shot myself.
@@dougieladd They expected to be welcomed home as heros after that. Its despicable.
My Uncles First deployment was the Tet offensive and his last was desert storm, I once asked how crazy was it...he looked dead at me and said well they were putting grenades under baby's to blow us up...and he looks at my brother who did 4 tours 2 Iraq and 2 Afghanistan and said to him and I rather do that again then go back to that Fnin desert.Ty to all who served and those who didn't make it back
My best friends dad was in the navy during nam.He says he saw the heroine being shipped home in coffins.my wife’s father was a tunnel rat at the age of 17.He has the bronze star.We went to the memorial an men saw him started to cry an hug him thanking him for saving their lives.
Bro as soon as he said his uncle was a forward observer, my heart sank. Rest his uncles heart and may his days be lived not in torment.
Nice to see mark back on the set, been missing his vibes
Yeah he’s a one of one
My Dads Cousin served in Vietnam as a Green Barrette Sniper and man he told us some story’s. He waited 3 days in the rain, sitting in a water filled ditch that was swampy to take 1 shot. He said it was a high ranking officer of the Vietcong, ( I don’t remember the rank he stated) and the guy would shave every morning and there was a little window next to the bathroom that he would open to dump out his bowl that he used for shaving and he would stick his head out that same window to look out at whatever.
The rain let up some the third day so he had a clear shot and that dude did the same routine every morning and he took his shot when that dude stuck his head out the window and got the guy, he said it was a slow crawl back. He also said if that officer had changed his routine up some that he might still be alive. He was one hell of a shot while playing paintball as well, you would never see him.
Cheers to The Spooky and the uncle. 💕
My dad was a Vietnam Seabee. He's 80 now and talks a lot about his experiences and lessons.
Spooky is what they called all ac-47's
Same with my grandpa
I'm imagining Uncle Danny in the jungle with a grilled cheese strapped to his helmet.
You should ask his Uncle on the show. Would love to hear his story
My stepfather, who raised my sister and me, was a Vietnam Vet. Marine 1st Recon 66'-67'. They called his "group" (company, battalion, squad... not sure of the right word) Duck Bill, from what I remember. Was blown up twice, and shot several times. On one occasion he was knocked unconscious from his buddy's blown off leg while wading through a rice paddy. He never spoke much about his time; most of what I know comes from a memoir book one of his fellow Marines wrote and a curiosity of reading through his paperwork. He died in 2016 from lung cancer that was linked to his high levels of exposure to Agent Orange. I'd give anything to have one last conversation with him.
There are a bunch of podcasts on youtube from guys who were MACV SOG in Vietnam. Fighting in Laos and Cambodia in a secret war. The stories will make you sweat.
SOG Cast with John Stryker "Tilt" Meyer is on Audible, he provides a ton of insight and lets the gentlemen that he served with tell their stories and experiences. He's also been on Jocko's Podcast episode 180 is the first one I believe that he was on.
@@WrathofKitties69 I saw his podcast with dick Thompson another SOG guy and his story sounds like a Rambo scene but it’s legit ridiculous how different those guys are built
@@drolleskate6164 straight up. And at the time they needed guys BAD, most of these guys were in their early 20s running these missions.
@@WrathofKitties69 yeah I remember him saying that officer’s mortality rate was like 90%
@@drolleskate6164 Do a youtube search for prairie fire missions.
My dad flew 428 combat missions in Viet Nam as a forward air controller in an OV-10. Joe's question about sitting on the porch has a simple answer and that is he probably wouldn't say much if anything, but if he did it would only be because he cares about Shane hearing it. My dad did not like to talk about Nam much, but the rare times he did and I got to hear about it was when he was with other Vets and they were discussing their time there. When that happened and I was lucky enough to be around, then I would keep real quiet and just listen because I would hear things that otherwise would never be mentioned.
The situation in Ukraine is a good analogy. There is some really, really brutal stuff happening over there right now. Pure evil is being done as we live out our lives. I am not talking about taking one side vs the other, but I am talking about the "common men" who are being forced to kill or be killed but would rather just be home to take care of their families. War is horrible and evil. Nothing to be glorified, and that is why the typical vet does not want to talk about it.
glad his uncle lived to tekk his story. We need these stories