No disrespect to Roddick, but he cannot hold a candle to Gill. Hands down, Mr. Gross is the most knowledgeable, thoughtful, unbiased and INTERESTING mind in the world of tennis. And his language and communication skills are as clean as they can be.
@@vm4473 Oh okay. Sorry I don’t look at it that way. Andy Roddick is a former number one and grand slam champion. Gill and Andy may both have podcasts but what they’re doing is different imo. Gill is more focused solely on analysis whereas Andy’s podcast is not. Analysis is a very small part of Andy’s pod imo.
I agree with yoou one all points except for the more interesting part, which is actually what you highlighted. Gil is very technical and analytical, it's not as entertaining as Andy's show. But both shows have their place in the tennis sphere.
One thing to note Gill is that up until a few years ago, the authorities didn't even make public the names of players who were provisionally suspended, but were later found to be not guilty of intentionally doping. So you could test positive, be provisionally suspended, and come back, without anyone even knowing that you ever tested positive. This led to accusations of silent bans in tennis, after which the rule was changed and every provisional suspension is announced. Now we have Sinner's case being made public despite him not even being provisionally suspended, so clearly things are moving into a better direction.
Jon Wertheim: "One of the mysteries with Sinner is how did he go 5 and ½ months without having this be revealed the way it has been for other players". THIS IS THE ITIA RULE WHEN YOU SUCCESSFULLY APPEAL THE PROVISIONAL SUSPENSION, NOBODY CAN REVEAL ANYTHING UNTIL THE FINAL RULING, IT WAS NOT A DECISION OF SINNER OR HIS TEAM!! Maybe study the rules before having a conversation about a topic?
Yes, I have no words for it. It's outrageous that people who claim to be top tennis commentators are saying these things. I am so disappointed after this podcast.
Ok, if we believe that "independent tribunal" refers to the fact that they knew absolutely nothing about the person whose case they were investigating, and not to the fact that they officially and unofficially have no business or private contacts with that person or any other polarized views about him that would influence the decision making. Of course, potential whispering outside the cabinet is not taken into account, even if someone's name is accidentally mentioned, because the independent tribunal is always professional and uncompromising in its work, unlike Sinner's physiotherapist and fitness trainer... And why did he wait as many months to fire those he considers guilty of the situation?
@@lucijasimlesa1617 What explanation would Jannik have had to give if he had fired the physiotherapist and the trainer before August 19th? Obviously everyone would have asked him WHY he fired them and remember, he couldn't talk about it! SHOULD JANNIK HAVE TOLD A STUPID LIE KNOWING OBVIOUSLY THAT THE CASE WOULD BE REVEALED LATER??
@@lucijasimlesa1617 Also, if you don't believe in rules, court rulings or anything, I really don't see what there is to talk about... But remember, if that's your attitude, it should apply to every aspect of life and every person/player...
When we can't play tennis on tennis courts yes it is a threat to tennis and not additive. It won't affect professional tennis , but when they want to transform tennis courts to their stupid lazy game then yes they are a huge threat. If they just created their own courts without being greedy and stealing tennis courts, everything would be fine.
Many comments from fans pointing out your blatant ignorance of the facts. You're both doing a disservice to the sport by insinuating that there are no rules&established procedures in anti-doping. Very unprofessional.
Just like I thought. Finally you could rectfy the Flink's interview who ridiculed all the bullshit "grey area" narrative you tried to push so far, and finally here comes the guy who knows nothing about science or facts, but casts doubt on or even mocks the experts' report. Congratulations.
My take on pickleball is this: I used to live in US in the 90s and 00s. There was absolutely no problem to find a free public court to play tennis. Now I'm planning to move here again - and I'm concerned that I will not be able to find FREE court nearby. Absolutely not interested in engaging in pickleball.
Jon is talking about Sinner without reading the report from the sentence, basically doing the exact same thing people who accuse Sinner are doing. Ignorance is toxic.
@@andieolivia for you people are just innocent or guilty? Just like that obvious? So why we have lawyers, judges, cases and whole jurisdictional systems? Just think about it for a second.
If the WTA was doing great, they wouldn't want to piggy back on the ATP tour. Its different in the Grand Slams where the women's game is on a more equal level and people are quite interested in it, but the WTA tour? Not so much.
People are finally opening their eyes on Gross. But he's been like this from the very start of his coverage of this case. It's such am embarrassing own goal for someone who presented himself as a balanced voice, whose analyses were always based on data and facts. He applied none of that to Sinner's case. He threw logic and scientific evidence out of the window, to favour a sneaky culture of suspicion and manipulation of the information at hand. At this point, I'm pretty sure this is personal. Because it can't be mere ignorance or bias. I'm starting to think Sinner didn't respond to some request for an interview or the like. Remember he went from being ranked first before RG and Wimbledon, where he was all but the favorite, to slip down to third at the US Open, despite having dominated the HC season. It's pretty obvious something happened.
@@Julian_orwell I don’t think Sinner cheated, I don’t think there were breaches in protocol and I don’t think about him any differently than I did in July. Period. The idea that I have something personal against him is total garbage and I deny it vehemently. (If you want to discuss this further, leave a Mailbag question because I won’t be replying on this thread).
@@GillGross You were obviously supportive of Sinner and said so. I am not sure what that person was listening to. I on the other hand feel that Jannik should have been suspended. I think the massage story is sketchy and exactly the same as Battaglino who just got 4 years. I do not see Jannik the same way and am certain that if this were Novak, they would have thrown the book at him. Still, I wanted to listen to your opinion even though we are on opposite sides of the topic.
@@GillGross I don't think it's personal, but seriously, don't you see comments pointing out how you both ignore facts in this case? But yeah, you choose to only reply to the comment that talks about something personal and the rest of the comments require a mailbag question😅 well, that's very easy (and clearly double standards Gil 😉
It will be very good if Gross doesn't pick Jannik as favourite to win any tournament which means Jannik chances to win that tournament increases significantly as Gross rarely gets his prediction right .
@@GillGross Thank you for the reply. I'll accept that it's not personal. All the rest still stands. Clarify your stance wrt preferential treatment due to rankiing/star power, "unacceptable" inconsitencies in other similar cases and "silly" scientific data in the report. You have never formally clarified that and you still failed to do so now. It's not our job to ask you about it in a mailbag. It's your duty to rectify or clarify your stance, possibly through the same means of communication originally used. That's deontology.
ATP vs WTA is interesting. I would say I am a pretty dedicated fan of the sport. In fairness, I don't really watch any women's tennis away from the mixed events and maybe WTA Finals, don't really have a reason why.
The last 15 years of women’s tennis has been atrocious. Swiatek and Sabalenka are incredibly boring to watch. Coco has horrible technique and Pegula is a basket case. I’d rather watch a Monica Seles match from 1991-1992 than any of the current crop. Barty had an interesting game, but I hated how dispassionate she was about the sport. It can implode and go away for all I care.
Lol slightly ironic for Jon to say people popped off without reading about it yet doesn't seem to understand the process. On the end of a doping cycle thing (and I know Jon himself isn't saying that) it doesn't fit with the 2nd trace amount 8 days later - that fits with the team's account much better. I am shocked by some of the players. As Sinner said, I guess he knows who his friends are.
There’s no friends in tennis. A bunch of players came out and said he should have been suspended. And he should have. He literally had anabolic steroids in his system.
There is a much deeper problem with pickleball/padel to tennis: 3 padel courts are about the same size as one tennis court, similar to pickleball. So from an economic perspective if you decide to build something to make money it makes more sense to build padel/pickleball courts. More and more of these courts will come up, which will also make more and more people play it. Tennis has its community but it will not grow as much as it did before padel and pickleball. Also tennis will become more expensive to play considering there will be padel/pickleball alternatives on every corner. So to summ it up: I dont think it will affect the highest level of pro tennis that much but it will greatly affect club level tennis and tennis community in general all over the world.
@@MA-rq6ie I’m old enough to remember racquet ball before it went the way of the Dodo 🦤 bird. Many cashed in on the trend and then it flopped. It was supposed to be a hybrid of tennis and squash which are both still actively played till this day and have waiting lists for courts. Pickle ball will suffer the same fate in time I’m afraid. Who in their right mind would pay to watch a pickle ball tournament. Maybe a pickle 🥒 🤣🤣🤣
@@Aliceteacup as for the tv viewers you are probably right but as for the regular joe wanting some fun and exercise...pickleball/padel is much easier to play, requires no gear (rental raquets) and requires no commitement. Easy works for the new gen, just saying.
Tennis owes such thanks to the perspective of JW and his ability to build out topics beyond the binary and with thoughtfulness and non-partisan arguments.
Imo pickleball is NOT a competition for tennis. By all means. Pickleball requires MUCH less skill and is physically by far less demanding. Pickleball is a completely other sport
John Wertheim clearly does not investigate very well. Google Marco Borottoli. He is a low ranked player that had the same happenstance as Jannik and the findings for him from the tribunal were the same and his report also took six months.
Honestly, I am a woman but I watch ATP matches fifty times more often than WTA + I am very interested in many, many ATP players individually and can recognise most of the names of the top 100 + I am an avid follower of all the ATP media. WTA? not so much. I am a little ashamed to admit this but that is the truth. I know partly it is because I strongly dislike the shorter format (less sets) but also women's tennis just doesn't seem as interesting to me. I don't know.
Other than majors, men play best of 3. That is probably 95% of men’s matches. If u only watch ATP for best of 5, then u don’t watch much tennis. You are clueless
Jon Wertheim has expressed discomfort in dealing with doping cases as a journalist due to his lack of expertise. However, he has still cast insinuations and doubt on Jannik Sinner's case. Journalists should rely on expert opinions from jurists and scientists, which have been unequivocally clear in this instance. Strict liability can be rebutted if there are valid grounds, as demonstrated in Sinner's case. Other players without access to expensive lawyers have achieved similar outcomes. In contrast, Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova were unable to immediately provide a plausible and verifiable explanation for cross-contamination. There is no evidence that interim relief in Sinner's case was improperly applied, and maintaining secrecy during an investigation is standard practice, not a lack of transparency. As a journalist, it is more constructive to discuss the excessive burden of strict liability in cross-contamination cases rather than advancing conspiratorial statements to satisfy certain readers.
@@jugoslavnamljidjiu9021 Regardless of innocence, of anything is found in your system they will apply this penalty. So just because they have a weird rule does not mean he is not innocent.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetenWhat I don't get is why let him play only to take away his points and prize? If you're going to punish him do it properly without affecting other players.
Unlike the fellow experts from the university who were on the commission of this case, most of the doctors and fellow nurses in the hospitals, who administer these drugs every day, determine their dosages and observe the laboratory results of their application and their retention in the human body, on the basis of which they determine further treatment and application of the same, they do not believe in that story of Sinner's team. Theory is law, when it is proven in practice. If it is not applicable in practice, then it is only a guess. A judgment based on guesswork will always carry with it the label that something stinks about that story, no matter how many experts supported it.
The US Open did not get better ratings partly because ESPN went dark for att and DirecTV clients on the middle Sunday and through the final. It was a disgusting move from Disney. 🤬
The big media rights deals have to do with leverage: Live sports are the only reason people keep cable, so ESPN can charge higher carrier fees. However, sports leagues know this, too, and can squeeze them for more $. It's a last gasp before cable declines entirely. PS UA-cam keeps taking this comment down?
Jon does not seem to be a guy that plays around in public spaces. The problem comes when pickleball players share surfaces where tennis players do play. In my area in Miami, it is clear pickleball players do not behave the same way on courts. Particularly when the Lose the ball and they have to go and get it where two fellas are playing a match. These is so much education required still on court etiquette
I would suggest that the confusing and contradictory access to tennis on line (for those of us without a TV) doesn't help. I can't get the Laver Cup, for example.
Only one thing made easier to judge a top10 not guilty...because they hire a highest level team, they pay them a lot to avoid these kind of mistakes. What a professional athlet can do more to stay safe from contaminations? May hire the first on the list like Djokovic's team? And he did it too now.
I mean he's using the majors where one ticket gets you usually a mens and womens match so why would people leave, but when you compare wta1000 events to atp1000 events it's night and day, and theres a reason the mens is worth 4x as much, it's just reality.
the problem with tennis continues to be that it is a money sport. If it were more accessible financially, the other racket sports would be less “threatening”
Jon draws analogies to the law a few times, such as to say that prior bad acts matter-and are presumably relevant and admissible-in a criminal case. That’s actually not generally so. Evidence of a defendant's reputation or prior bad acts is not admissible against the defendant in a criminal case if the defendant has not first introduced evidence of their good character or reputation. The defendant must generally "open the door" before the prosecution can get in such evidence. He also says that the consequences of doping violations in tennis are imposed by strict liability. That's obviously not the case, either. In a case of strict liability, it would not matter whether a player was negligent, or had a good repuation, or anything else other than the results of the doping test. Jon says that as a reporter it is difficult to cover doping stories in sports and tennis in particular because information like doping tests are shrouded in confidentiality. Well, it is commonplace for reporters to cover stories that involve confidential information. For example, in business stories about M&A deals, it is common for reporting to cite sources revealing confidential information. A fair question for Gill is what the difference in economics is between the deal offered by his gambling sponsor and the deal offered by his next highest non-gambling sponsor. He can express the answer in some manner that leaves his revenue opaque, but the answer could still be enlightening. Bottom line: are sports podcasts just becoming bought and paid for shills for the growth in sports gambling?
So many things wrong with this podcast. For someone who professes to have read the full Sinner report, Wertheim is so ignorant of the facts. He asks why the Sinner failed test was kept under wraps, well if he'd read the report in its entirety, he'd know that if the suspension is immediately appealed, and ruled in your favour then legally, it is not allowed to be disclosed until the process has reached its conclusion. Other cases get out sooner because either the player didn't immediately appeal, or the independent tribunal rejected the appeal. Secondly, how can you with a straight face discuss gambling as a problem in tennis (which it is btw), whilst at the same time taking money from a sports betting company who are the beneficiaries of the whole thing, hypocrisy doesn't begin to cut it.
It shouldn’t have been kept under wraps. That’s the point Wertheim is trying to make. Jannik’s money and ability to hire the best lawyers is why it was kept under wraps. Don’t be naive.
@@andieolivia What? Of course it should, if you're able to locate the contaminant and your appeal is accepted, then the public have no right to know about it until a verdict is reached either way.
@@cgh08443 The reason why it was kept under wraps is because Jannik hired a legal team whose former client was the ITIA. You need to understand Jannik could afford the best legal team. It’s called privilege. Having money affords you these things. That’s why people say it’s a double standard. Players have all spoke out against the process. And they have little respect for Jannik.
I'm sorry, but I've had enough of journalists expressing doubts about the doping case. Guys, it's really not up to you to judge! Experts have done this, and your job is to report the details so that viewers can better understand the anti-doping process. You're not doing that!!! You're just out there expressing your random thoughts, which is of course a lot easier than to read the whole report, research other similar cases and make an effort to explain it to the viewers in an understandable way. WHAT HAPPENED TO REAL JOURNALISM?
He's a blatant hater by now. Or he's a conspiracy theorist pretending that he's "balanced". "It's not black and white" lol. It is. It's guilty or not guilty. By the same logic, every athlete's innocence is subjective and should not be taken for granted. What bunch of nonsense. He's upset that Flink, in his interview, ridiculed his narrative in such an astounding way and here comes the video with the trusted ignorant journalist, with yet another "balanced take" on Sinner. Good job! At this point, the Kyrgioses and the Shapovalovs deserve more praise. At least they were clear in their self-appointed role.
@@Julian_orwell I would not call Gil a hater, but your point is very valid. Like, what is this? Are you an expert who sits on these commissions, Gil? No. You're a journalist. You're there to report and explain what experts do. It's bad journalism, even if you're a nice guy and don't say hateful things, bla bla bla. Sorry, I do not appreciate your 'take' on things when you have not first done what is your main job and instead told people to educate themselves, which is shocking to hear. Very unprofessional of both of them.
@@martyna2371 Exactly. I don't like to throw words like "hater" around lightly, and Gross was so far my favorite content creator when it comes to tennis. So this was exceptionally disppointing for me. And I am 100% convinced by now that this is neither ignorance nor sloppiness. He has reviewed the statement and he knows about Bortolotti and other cases. At the same time, he keeps insinuating things, pushing this grey area narrative, he keeps putting the emphasis on what is suspicious or allegedly inconsistent, while demphasizing scientific evidence and mere logic pointing to the contrary. Quite shocking.
@@Julian_orwell I understand you do not throw such words easily, but you're frustrated with the level of journalism you just saw (so am I). Again, Gil and Jon do not strike me as haters at all. I think he (and actually Jon too) suffer from the consequences of polarisation, I mean, they are those rather benign personalities who do not want to sound polarised, so they think the solution is to give all possible arguments to the story, whereas the solution is always competence (i.e. giving arguments the right probability weights, so sometimes zero weights to some arguments). But yes, I hate it when journalists don't do their job, proper research, but take the easy way out and 'just express their thoughts'. It also has bad consequences, as always when someone is unprofessional in their work.
@@Julian_orwell I must also say that at this point I do not trust that Gross has read the whole report. I'm an academic, so I'm quite used to not having an a priori opinion, but when you read the report and learn about these other Italian cases, things become quite clear (as Ruud also said). But maybe it's like you said, he's read, but for some reason he's spreading insinuations. Yes, it's disappointing for me too, because I also thought he was a meticulous creator that I could trust, but this case proves that I was wrong.
One thing that drives me insane about NBA is the fact that the season is so long, top players don’t even care till the playoffs, and that means fans don’t care either. You see so many casual takes from stat watchers or just uninformed people. Like I guarantee you 60% of NBA fans still think Devin Booker is a terrible defender even though anyone who watched even just the playoffs can tell Booker is one of the best defenders at his position. It’s all about narratives, drama, “I don’t like this guy so he’s garbage.” At least tennis fans seem to watch the matches even if they come away with entirely wrong conclusions from it. There’s also not enough advanced stats in tennis to where you can make assumptions about match quality without watching the match itself. Like yeah you can look at winners/unforced errors but they’re subjective and rarely give a full picture.
Not since his suspension was reduced earlier this year. I just looked, and it doesn't seem that he has been playing, but he was also dealing with a wrist injury that required surgery.
The usta is seemingly not great, compared to other national tennis programs. But the reality is when you're trying to play tennis during peak hours, it sucks to lose out on courts because pickleball players are all over them.
As long as any tennis courts are used by pickleball players it will remain a war. those pro ex players who venture to the 'dark side' should know what recreational players think about them...regardless who they were before.
Gut reaction: Wertheim doesn’t believe Jannik. And the equal amount of players who don’t believe him? A blow to the stomach every time . Are those players doping dosage experts ??? Speaking as a Sinner fan, . I hate that this suspicion will follow him around forever. So sad . .
Please I hope tennis is never a wretched commercial enterprise like NBA... we dont need to grow the sport at the top level. we need to make it more viable for community players and lower lever tournaments need to be less expensive for up an coming players
Very interesting conversation. This is the kind of discussion where Wertheim shows his value, unlike when he is trying to discuss tennis between the lines on Served, a subject about which he has no expertise. He is savvy and hardworking when it comes to tennis politics: kind of like tennis’s version of Paul Finebaum. But asking him to analyze a match is like asking Finebaum’s opinion on Georgia vs Alabama: there’s just nothing of value there. Looking forward to the day when Roddick gets this.
@@houseofleaves126 He criticized Joker for being willing to be banned from tournaments for not getting the jab, even though he had actually had COVID, and, therefore, had was is not being called natural immunity. AND THIS ENDS MY VIEWING OF ANY OF GILL'S MEDIA. GOOD RIDDANCE!
One problem tennis have, compared to other major sports is players information and promotion. You can find complete FIFA, NBA, NFL, Champions League, NHL info within two or three clicks. You dont have anything close for tennis. Fans follow players over matches or game experience. We still dont know the weight or the height of some players. Reprehensible.
I heard John Wertheim before in Andy Roddick's podcast about Sinner; he is clearly full of prejudice and anger against Jannik. Clearly he doesn't like him, his opinion is legitimate but not at all legally well informed. There are other cases exactly the same like Sinner on less powerful players, which got the same results like Sinner, Bartoletti to mention one. Did Sinner get an help from this substance? NOOO! the amount was ridiculous. And Jannik provided immediately the proves. Sorry John, find another target, Sinner is honestly and legitimately Number 1!!!!!
Can you please explain the primary objective behind the call for a merger between the WTA and ATP? In this era where women are striving to showcase their independence and break free from patriarchal structures, why do you, as men, continue to advocate for such mergers in a seemingly tongue-in-cheek manner?
Such a disappointing perspective AGAIN! Whatever Mr Gross. I know I’m just a unity here and me unsubscribing might bother you zero. But it’s really so unprofessional to keep on casting doubts and shadows on Sinner just because you are maybe afraid to not sound “impartial”. What a shame and mostly what a coward! Sorry that’s my take. A good journalist should get informed and then state the facts. You never state THE FACTS! (not when talking with Fink though…there you seemed to be agreeing with him. I wonder why. Maybe cowardice again?) I simply don’t get why, instead on pointing fingers at Jannik, you don’t ask FOR THE SAME JUSTICE for others. I mean, if you keep repeating that you believe him, why keeping on insinuating double standard allegations? I won’t watch your videos again and I advice people who feel the same to do the same. Bye.
It was only his guest that cast these doubts. Too my ears Gill actually defended Sinner and had originally asked for the discussion not to focus on Sinner. Be quick to listen and slow to judge.
@@benjaminpedersen9548 in the first video he made on Sinner, right after the Clostrbol incident came out, he sounded very doubtful and said he could understand players who were talking of “double standard”. And by saying so he didn’t even bother to have read the papers. He probably read them after but his communication on the topic seemed so ambiguous also afterwards. It’s like he didn’t want to disappoint “some” fan bases. Same happened in this video here, instead of taking a strong position, he kept on being vague. And I’m not expecting him to take that strong position because I’m a Sinner fan, but because the FACTS, the papers explain very clearly why he has been cleared. Plus a real journalist should do his homework, and even if he isn’t that much into law matters, well he should have given a look at the procedures in these cases, not just Sinner’s one, and make comparisons. But mostly he should have learned that the procedures are THE SAME for everyone, ranked 1 or 300. But still he casts doubts, so…yes. VERY DISAPPOINTING and lacking professionalism.
@@michelasavino1929 I have a different read on his stance then. To me he seems quite convinced that things went according to the rules and that Sinner had intention of cheating. In this video he plainly opposed Jon's speculation by stating the same things as you. Can you not tell the difference between the guest Jon and Gill speaking? Jon was the one trying to stir up doubts about Sinner's honesty.
who is no one? there are plenty of people who believe the plausible story they gave and more importantly, the professional judges who do this for a fucking living believe it, people who no a hell of a lot more about doping than you do, keyboard warrior. also, maybe take a look at the case last year that had the exact same outcome with an italian player ranked outside the top 200. not that had to do a little research
I believe it. Majority of people do. You and some other "PavvyG's Conspiracy Theory School" graduates do not... and you are all becoming the irrelevant vocal minority you deserve to be.
0 tolerance and punishment should follow regardless how "innocent" the drugs got into the system. This just tells the public that everyone dopes, just a matter of how powerful you are! I stop watching tennis as it is so clear that it is corrupt. Sinner has changed it all singlhandedly in my view
I'm sorry but you're blatantly wrong! Say then I decide I want a specific player out all I have to do in theory is find a way to contaminate them, they'll test positive and in your eyes they should be suspended. That makes 0 sense when you put it out like that now doesn't it?
The integrity of tennis has been dismantled by this case. It’s not an “allegation.” The man took steroids regardless of his intent. I’m glad dimitrov finally spoke up. This whole season would have been totally different if sinner had actually been punished.
The video was uploaded one hour ago. You wrote 30 min ago. Tell me you didn’t listen without telling me. Also read the report (like they say in the video!!) and you will find out it was contamination. BYE TROLL
I think on the other cases which have been mentioned, the players had not been able to provide an explanation on how they tested positive, hence the suspension (for the investigation to figure it out, not for punishment)
@@lailaaaa2466 My understanding is that the suspension does not necessarily relate to a punishment. If you have an explanation and they find it plausible, they will not suspend you but they will punish you for what found. Sinner was punished with points detraction and a fine. Different story will be if you are not able to provide an explanation, regardless of the substance/concentration and regardless of the consequent punishment. This qas my understanding, but I might be wrong.
As a fan, a WTA/ATP merger would only dilute the experience : i don't need WTA stuff on the websites i check for the ATP tour. For the ATP it would be a great risk of being cannibalized. WTA would gain from better budget/marketing/viewership but i don't think ATP would gain anything from a merger.
I agree. As a tennis player and fan, I hardly watch any WTA matches. Male players are much better than the women, and annoying "grunting" seems to be a bigger problem in women's matches than men's.
No disrespect to Roddick, but he cannot hold a candle to Gill. Hands down, Mr. Gross is the most knowledgeable, thoughtful, unbiased and INTERESTING mind in the world of tennis. And his language and communication skills are as clean as they can be.
Since when are they in a competition?
@@sandranastia Since Andy started doing what Gill has been doing for years. Nothing wrong with some healthy competition. :)
@@vm4473 except he really didn’t push back when he wanted to in this interview.
@@vm4473 Oh okay. Sorry I don’t look at it that way. Andy Roddick is a former number one and grand slam champion. Gill and Andy may both have podcasts but what they’re doing is different imo. Gill is more focused solely on analysis whereas Andy’s podcast is not. Analysis is a very small part of Andy’s pod imo.
I agree with yoou one all points except for the more interesting part, which is actually what you highlighted.
Gil is very technical and analytical, it's not as entertaining as Andy's show.
But both shows have their place in the tennis sphere.
One thing to note Gill is that up until a few years ago, the authorities didn't even make public the names of players who were provisionally suspended, but were later found to be not guilty of intentionally doping. So you could test positive, be provisionally suspended, and come back, without anyone even knowing that you ever tested positive. This led to accusations of silent bans in tennis, after which the rule was changed and every provisional suspension is announced. Now we have Sinner's case being made public despite him not even being provisionally suspended, so clearly things are moving into a better direction.
Thank you so much for this..honestly rhe tennis World needs some serious education on this.
Jon Wertheim: "One of the mysteries with Sinner is how did he go 5 and ½ months without having this be revealed the way it has been for other players". THIS IS THE ITIA RULE WHEN YOU SUCCESSFULLY APPEAL THE PROVISIONAL SUSPENSION, NOBODY CAN REVEAL ANYTHING UNTIL THE FINAL RULING, IT WAS NOT A DECISION OF SINNER OR HIS TEAM!!
Maybe study the rules before having a conversation about a topic?
Spot on
Yes, I have no words for it. It's outrageous that people who claim to be top tennis commentators are saying these things. I am so disappointed after this podcast.
Ok, if we believe that "independent tribunal" refers to the fact that they knew absolutely nothing about the person whose case they were investigating, and not to the fact that they officially and unofficially have no business or private contacts with that person or any other polarized views about him that would influence the decision making. Of course, potential whispering outside the cabinet is not taken into account, even if someone's name is accidentally mentioned, because the independent tribunal is always professional and uncompromising in its work, unlike Sinner's physiotherapist and fitness trainer... And why did he wait as many months to fire those he considers guilty of the situation?
@@lucijasimlesa1617 What explanation would Jannik have had to give if he had fired the physiotherapist and the trainer before August 19th? Obviously everyone would have asked him WHY he fired them and remember, he couldn't talk about it!
SHOULD JANNIK HAVE TOLD A STUPID LIE KNOWING OBVIOUSLY THAT THE CASE WOULD BE REVEALED LATER??
@@lucijasimlesa1617 Also, if you don't believe in rules, court rulings or anything, I really don't see what there is to talk about... But remember, if that's your attitude, it should apply to every aspect of life and every person/player...
Again the trolls in full force : posting before they could have even listened to the podcast! Lol at least wait long enough 😅😂
What's the fun in that?!
When we can't play tennis on tennis courts yes it is a threat to tennis and not additive.
It won't affect professional tennis , but when they want to transform tennis courts to their stupid lazy game then yes they are a huge threat.
If they just created their own courts without being greedy and stealing tennis courts, everything would be fine.
Precisely! Pickleball is a parasitic entity in relation to tennis.
Jon was clearly convinced that Jannik is guilty but didn’t wanna say it directly
Many comments from fans pointing out your blatant ignorance of the facts. You're both doing a disservice to the sport by insinuating that there are no rules&established procedures in anti-doping. Very unprofessional.
Just like I thought. Finally you could rectfy the Flink's interview who ridiculed all the bullshit "grey area" narrative you tried to push so far, and finally here comes the guy who knows nothing about science or facts, but casts doubt on or even mocks the experts' report. Congratulations.
My take on pickleball is this: I used to live in US in the 90s and 00s. There was absolutely no problem to find a free public court to play tennis. Now I'm planning to move here again - and I'm concerned that I will not be able to find FREE court nearby. Absolutely not interested in engaging in pickleball.
In DC , northern VA only in expensive zip codes may be a problem , in lower socioeconomic zip codes plenty courts available. Don’t worry
Jon is talking about Sinner without reading the report from the sentence, basically doing the exact same thing people who accuse Sinner are doing. Ignorance is toxic.
I don’t think anyone is accusing Sinner. He was found with anabolic steroids in his system. That’s just a fact.
Jon has consistently questioned why the process was 'different' without looking into it. He should know better.
@@andieolivia for you people are just innocent or guilty? Just like that obvious? So why we have lawyers, judges, cases and whole jurisdictional systems? Just think about it for a second.
@@joannemoore3976 yet he has not read the report has he admits! So to me he is just giving opinions without knowing.
Why do you need to read a lengthy report? We’re all entitled to our opinions. And Jon is as well.
If the WTA was doing great, they wouldn't want to piggy back on the ATP tour. Its different in the Grand Slams where the women's game is on a more equal level and people are quite interested in it, but the WTA tour? Not so much.
People are finally opening their eyes on Gross. But he's been like this from the very start of his coverage of this case. It's such am embarrassing own goal for someone who presented himself as a balanced voice, whose analyses were always based on data and facts.
He applied none of that to Sinner's case. He threw logic and scientific evidence out of the window, to favour a sneaky culture of suspicion and manipulation of the information at hand.
At this point, I'm pretty sure this is personal. Because it can't be mere ignorance or bias. I'm starting to think Sinner didn't respond to some request for an interview or the like.
Remember he went from being ranked first before RG and Wimbledon, where he was all but the favorite, to slip down to third at the US Open, despite having dominated the HC season. It's pretty obvious something happened.
@@Julian_orwell I don’t think Sinner cheated, I don’t think there were breaches in protocol and I don’t think about him any differently than I did in July. Period. The idea that I have something personal against him is total garbage and I deny it vehemently. (If you want to discuss this further, leave a Mailbag question because I won’t be replying on this thread).
@@GillGross You were obviously supportive of Sinner and said so. I am not sure what that person was listening to. I on the other hand feel that Jannik should have been suspended. I think the massage story is sketchy and exactly the same as Battaglino who just got 4 years. I do not see Jannik the same way and am certain that if this were Novak, they would have thrown the book at him. Still, I wanted to listen to your opinion even though we are on opposite sides of the topic.
@@GillGross I don't think it's personal, but seriously, don't you see comments pointing out how you both ignore facts in this case? But yeah, you choose to only reply to the comment that talks about something personal and the rest of the comments require a mailbag question😅 well, that's very easy (and clearly double standards Gil 😉
It will be very good if Gross doesn't pick Jannik as favourite to win any tournament which means Jannik chances to win that tournament increases significantly as Gross rarely gets his prediction right .
@@GillGross Thank you for the reply. I'll accept that it's not personal. All the rest still stands.
Clarify your stance wrt preferential treatment due to rankiing/star power, "unacceptable" inconsitencies in other similar cases and "silly" scientific data in the report. You have never formally clarified that and you still failed to do so now.
It's not our job to ask you about it in a mailbag. It's your duty to rectify or clarify your stance, possibly through the same means of communication originally used. That's deontology.
ATP vs WTA is interesting. I would say I am a pretty dedicated fan of the sport. In fairness, I don't really watch any women's tennis away from the mixed events and maybe WTA Finals, don't really have a reason why.
The last 15 years of women’s tennis has been atrocious. Swiatek and Sabalenka are incredibly boring to watch. Coco has horrible technique and Pegula is a basket case. I’d rather watch a Monica Seles match from 1991-1992 than any of the current crop. Barty had an interesting game, but I hated how dispassionate she was about the sport. It can implode and go away for all I care.
Lol slightly ironic for Jon to say people popped off without reading about it yet doesn't seem to understand the process. On the end of a doping cycle thing (and I know Jon himself isn't saying that) it doesn't fit with the 2nd trace amount 8 days later - that fits with the team's account much better. I am shocked by some of the players. As Sinner said, I guess he knows who his friends are.
There’s no friends in tennis. A bunch of players came out and said he should have been suspended. And he should have. He literally had anabolic steroids in his system.
There is a much deeper problem with pickleball/padel to tennis:
3 padel courts are about the same size as one tennis court, similar to pickleball. So from an economic perspective if you decide to build something to make money it makes more sense to build padel/pickleball courts. More and more of these courts will come up, which will also make more and more people play it. Tennis has its community but it will not grow as much as it did before padel and pickleball.
Also tennis will become more expensive to play considering there will be padel/pickleball alternatives on every corner.
So to summ it up: I dont think it will affect the highest level of pro tennis that much but it will greatly affect club level tennis and tennis community in general all over the world.
@@MA-rq6ie I’m old enough to remember racquet ball before it went the way of the Dodo 🦤 bird. Many cashed in on the trend and then it flopped. It was supposed to be a hybrid of tennis and squash which are both still actively played till this day and have waiting lists for courts. Pickle ball will suffer the same fate in time I’m afraid. Who in their right mind would pay to watch a pickle ball tournament. Maybe a pickle 🥒 🤣🤣🤣
Of course the French aren't worried, you can't play Pickleball or Padel on red clay.
@@HeavyTopspin in Spain there are more and more padel courts being made, just saying...
@@Aliceteacup as for the tv viewers you are probably right but as for the regular joe wanting some fun and exercise...pickleball/padel is much easier to play, requires no gear (rental raquets) and requires no commitement. Easy works for the new gen, just saying.
@@MA-rq6ie easy, no gear, no commitment. Sounds like a cheap date. 😉
Love when Gill releases videos!!! Yessss!!!
Jon Wertheim has never watched the episode of The Golden Girls where Dorothy advises Blanche to never look at the mirror from above
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Tennis owes such thanks to the perspective of JW and his ability to build out topics beyond the binary and with thoughtfulness and non-partisan arguments.
Imo pickleball is NOT a competition for tennis. By all means. Pickleball requires MUCH less skill and is physically by far less demanding.
Pickleball is a completely other sport
It is.
John Wertheim clearly does not investigate very well. Google Marco Borottoli. He is a low ranked player that had the same happenstance as Jannik and the findings for him from the tribunal were the same and his report also took six months.
Bortolotti. They know it. They just don't care at this point.
Two of my favorite people in Tennis media 🎉
Honestly, I am a woman but I watch ATP matches fifty times more often than WTA + I am very interested in many, many ATP players individually and can recognise most of the names of the top 100 + I am an avid follower of all the ATP media. WTA? not so much. I am a little ashamed to admit this but that is the truth. I know partly it is because I strongly dislike the shorter format (less sets) but also women's tennis just doesn't seem as interesting to me. I don't know.
Same thinking exactly. I am a female too!
Me three…lol.
Exactly, Women's tennis is super boring & weak !
Very valid points .
Other than majors, men play best of 3. That is probably 95% of men’s matches. If u only watch ATP for best of 5, then u don’t watch much tennis. You are clueless
Jon Wertheim has expressed discomfort in dealing with doping cases as a journalist due to his lack of expertise. However, he has still cast insinuations and doubt on Jannik Sinner's case. Journalists should rely on expert opinions from jurists and scientists, which have been unequivocally clear in this instance. Strict liability can be rebutted if there are valid grounds, as demonstrated in Sinner's case. Other players without access to expensive lawyers have achieved similar outcomes.
In contrast, Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova were unable to immediately provide a plausible and verifiable explanation for cross-contamination. There is no evidence that interim relief in Sinner's case was improperly applied, and maintaining secrecy during an investigation is standard practice, not a lack of transparency. As a journalist, it is more constructive to discuss the excessive burden of strict liability in cross-contamination cases rather than advancing conspiratorial statements to satisfy certain readers.
One thing Sinner is guilty for doping he get punish in points and money so for innocent he isnt.
@@jugoslavnamljidjiu9021 Regardless of innocence, of anything is found in your system they will apply this penalty. So just because they have a weird rule does not mean he is not innocent.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetenWhat I don't get is why let him play only to take away his points and prize? If you're going to punish him do it properly without affecting other players.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten lol rules are rules or we make evry sport without regulations.
Unlike the fellow experts from the university who were on the commission of this case, most of the doctors and fellow nurses in the hospitals, who administer these drugs every day, determine their dosages and observe the laboratory results of their application and their retention in the human body, on the basis of which they determine further treatment and application of the same, they do not believe in that story of Sinner's team. Theory is law, when it is proven in practice. If it is not applicable in practice, then it is only a guess. A judgment based on guesswork will always carry with it the label that something stinks about that story, no matter how many experts supported it.
Jon's set-up is very unprofessional, highly annoying, borderline unacceptable.
Yeah what he was saying about Roddick being the professional seems to be true.
As is your profile pic
dude it’s a podcast relax
Jon Wertheim: It's "natural" to want to bet money on sports b/c, for example, it's unscripted, the result is unknown. Are you out of your mind?!
Biggest issue in tennis: sports betting money taking over everything. *Looks at sponsor* Wait a sec….
The US Open did not get better ratings partly because ESPN went dark for att and DirecTV clients on the middle Sunday and through the final. It was a disgusting move from Disney. 🤬
Sinner was found 100% innocent months ago. Are you always going to bring it up forever?. can we just move on?
Women’s Tennis is Awesome
excellent conversation, JW is always an interesting and sensible pundit to listen to.
Disappointing podcast. Dismantling the best and elevating the worst in tennis isn’t a future.
The big media rights deals have to do with leverage: Live sports are the only reason people keep cable, so ESPN can charge higher carrier fees. However, sports leagues know this, too, and can squeeze them for more $. It's a last gasp before cable declines entirely.
PS UA-cam keeps taking this comment down?
Jon does not seem to be a guy that plays around in public spaces. The problem comes when pickleball players share surfaces where tennis players do play. In my area in Miami, it is clear pickleball players do not behave the same way on courts. Particularly when the Lose the ball and they have to go and get it where two fellas are playing a match. These is so much education required still on court etiquette
I’m not sure the casual fan even knows there are two associations
Probably because there are 3.
If Gill Gross played Jon Wertheim, how much revenue werth would that gross?
@@zetristan4525 😄👍
I would suggest that the confusing and contradictory access to tennis on line (for those of us without a TV) doesn't help. I can't get the Laver Cup, for example.
Only one thing made easier to judge a top10 not guilty...because they hire a highest level team, they pay them a lot to avoid these kind of mistakes. What a professional athlet can do more to stay safe from contaminations? May hire the first on the list like Djokovic's team? And he did it too now.
I mean he's using the majors where one ticket gets you usually a mens and womens match so why would people leave, but when you compare wta1000 events to atp1000 events it's night and day, and theres a reason the mens is worth 4x as much, it's just reality.
the problem with tennis continues to be that it is a money sport. If it were more accessible financially, the other racket sports would be less “threatening”
Jon draws analogies to the law a few times, such as to say that prior bad acts matter-and are presumably relevant and admissible-in a criminal case. That’s actually not generally so. Evidence of a defendant's reputation or prior bad acts is not admissible against the defendant in a criminal case if the defendant has not first introduced evidence of their good character or reputation. The defendant must generally "open the door" before the prosecution can get in such evidence. He also says that the consequences of doping violations in tennis are imposed by strict liability. That's obviously not the case, either. In a case of strict liability, it would not matter whether a player was negligent, or had a good repuation, or anything else other than the results of the doping test.
Jon says that as a reporter it is difficult to cover doping stories in sports and tennis in particular because information like doping tests are shrouded in confidentiality. Well, it is commonplace for reporters to cover stories that involve confidential information. For example, in business stories about M&A deals, it is common for reporting to cite sources revealing confidential information.
A fair question for Gill is what the difference in economics is between the deal offered by his gambling sponsor and the deal offered by his next highest non-gambling sponsor. He can express the answer in some manner that leaves his revenue opaque, but the answer could still be enlightening. Bottom line: are sports podcasts just becoming bought and paid for shills for the growth in sports gambling?
Love your show!
So many things wrong with this podcast. For someone who professes to have read the full Sinner report, Wertheim is so ignorant of the facts. He asks why the Sinner failed test was kept under wraps, well if he'd read the report in its entirety, he'd know that if the suspension is immediately appealed, and ruled in your favour then legally, it is not allowed to be disclosed until the process has reached its conclusion. Other cases get out sooner because either the player didn't immediately appeal, or the independent tribunal rejected the appeal. Secondly, how can you with a straight face discuss gambling as a problem in tennis (which it is btw), whilst at the same time taking money from a sports betting company who are the beneficiaries of the whole thing, hypocrisy doesn't begin to cut it.
It shouldn’t have been kept under wraps. That’s the point Wertheim is trying to make. Jannik’s money and ability to hire the best lawyers is why it was kept under wraps. Don’t be naive.
@@andieolivia What? Of course it should, if you're able to locate the contaminant and your appeal is accepted, then the public have no right to know about it until a verdict is reached either way.
@@cgh08443 The reason why it was kept under wraps is because Jannik hired a legal team whose former client was the ITIA. You need to understand Jannik could afford the best legal team. It’s called privilege. Having money affords you these things. That’s why people say it’s a double standard. Players have all spoke out against the process. And they have little respect for Jannik.
@@andieoliviaso what about Bortolotti?
@@andieoliviaall spoke against the process? All of them? Including Ruud, Nadal Berrettini ?
I'm sorry, but I've had enough of journalists expressing doubts about the doping case. Guys, it's really not up to you to judge! Experts have done this, and your job is to report the details so that viewers can better understand the anti-doping process. You're not doing that!!! You're just out there expressing your random thoughts, which is of course a lot easier than to read the whole report, research other similar cases and make an effort to explain it to the viewers in an understandable way. WHAT HAPPENED TO REAL JOURNALISM?
He's a blatant hater by now. Or he's a conspiracy theorist pretending that he's "balanced".
"It's not black and white" lol. It is. It's guilty or not guilty. By the same logic, every athlete's innocence is subjective and should not be taken for granted. What bunch of nonsense. He's upset that Flink, in his interview, ridiculed his narrative in such an astounding way and here comes the video with the trusted ignorant journalist, with yet another "balanced take" on Sinner. Good job!
At this point, the Kyrgioses and the Shapovalovs deserve more praise. At least they were clear in their self-appointed role.
@@Julian_orwell I would not call Gil a hater, but your point is very valid. Like, what is this? Are you an expert who sits on these commissions, Gil? No. You're a journalist. You're there to report and explain what experts do. It's bad journalism, even if you're a nice guy and don't say hateful things, bla bla bla. Sorry, I do not appreciate your 'take' on things when you have not first done what is your main job and instead told people to educate themselves, which is shocking to hear. Very unprofessional of both of them.
@@martyna2371 Exactly. I don't like to throw words like "hater" around lightly, and Gross was so far my favorite content creator when it comes to tennis. So this was exceptionally disppointing for me. And I am 100% convinced by now that this is neither ignorance nor sloppiness. He has reviewed the statement and he knows about Bortolotti and other cases. At the same time, he keeps insinuating things, pushing this grey area narrative, he keeps putting the emphasis on what is suspicious or allegedly inconsistent, while demphasizing scientific evidence and mere logic pointing to the contrary. Quite shocking.
@@Julian_orwell I understand you do not throw such words easily, but you're frustrated with the level of journalism you just saw (so am I). Again, Gil and Jon do not strike me as haters at all. I think he (and actually Jon too) suffer from the consequences of polarisation, I mean, they are those rather benign personalities who do not want to sound polarised, so they think the solution is to give all possible arguments to the story, whereas the solution is always competence (i.e. giving arguments the right probability weights, so sometimes zero weights to some arguments). But yes, I hate it when journalists don't do their job, proper research, but take the easy way out and 'just express their thoughts'. It also has bad consequences, as always when someone is unprofessional in their work.
@@Julian_orwell I must also say that at this point I do not trust that Gross has read the whole report. I'm an academic, so I'm quite used to not having an a priori opinion, but when you read the report and learn about these other Italian cases, things become quite clear (as Ruud also said). But maybe it's like you said, he's read, but for some reason he's spreading insinuations. Yes, it's disappointing for me too, because I also thought he was a meticulous creator that I could trust, but this case proves that I was wrong.
One thing that drives me insane about NBA is the fact that the season is so long, top players don’t even care till the playoffs, and that means fans don’t care either. You see so many casual takes from stat watchers or just uninformed people. Like I guarantee you 60% of NBA fans still think Devin Booker is a terrible defender even though anyone who watched even just the playoffs can tell Booker is one of the best defenders at his position. It’s all about narratives, drama, “I don’t like this guy so he’s garbage.”
At least tennis fans seem to watch the matches even if they come away with entirely wrong conclusions from it. There’s also not enough advanced stats in tennis to where you can make assumptions about match quality without watching the match itself. Like yeah you can look at winners/unforced errors but they’re subjective and rarely give a full picture.
Jon Wertheim reminds me of a middle-aged Mark Normand
Never would've thought that in a million years but now that you've said it I can't unhear it 😂
Saudi should just do a 1000 on grass during that season,
Speaking of Jenson Brooksby…..any news?
Not since his suspension was reduced earlier this year. I just looked, and it doesn't seem that he has been playing, but he was also dealing with a wrist injury that required surgery.
The usta is seemingly not great, compared to other national tennis programs. But the reality is when you're trying to play tennis during peak hours, it sucks to lose out on courts because pickleball players are all over them.
This fellow is profoundly out of touch with the tennis fans; their wants and their views.
As long as any tennis courts are used by pickleball players it will remain a war. those pro ex players who venture to the 'dark side' should know what recreational players think about them...regardless who they were before.
Four words that are worth looking up: Adult Red Ball Tennis.
Roddick is but a step away!
Where did they watch it for free???
right? i had the hardest time watching here in the US with the Disney and Direct TV blackout that literally just ended this week.
Gut reaction: Wertheim doesn’t believe Jannik. And the equal amount of players who don’t believe him? A blow to the stomach every time . Are those players doping dosage experts ??? Speaking as a Sinner fan, . I hate that this suspicion will follow him around forever. So sad . .
Please I hope tennis is never a wretched commercial enterprise like NBA... we dont need to grow the sport at the top level. we need to make it more viable for community players and lower lever tournaments need to be less expensive for up an coming players
Very interesting conversation. This is the kind of discussion where Wertheim shows his value, unlike when he is trying to discuss tennis between the lines on Served, a subject about which he has no expertise. He is savvy and hardworking when it comes to tennis politics: kind of like tennis’s version of Paul Finebaum. But asking him to analyze a match is like asking Finebaum’s opinion on Georgia vs Alabama: there’s just nothing of value there. Looking forward to the day when Roddick gets this.
Sorry, I don't watch Mr. Worthless after his statements on Joker's jablessness.
What did he say?
@@houseofleaves126 He criticized Joker for being willing to be banned from tournaments for not getting the jab, even though he had actually had COVID, and, therefore, had was is not being called natural immunity. AND THIS ENDS MY VIEWING OF ANY OF GILL'S MEDIA. GOOD RIDDANCE!
As long as the people that are watching buy the merch they are just fine..
Clearly what Jon says about doping is wrong. Surprised that he was not called out for it.
Appreciate the cross over to other tennis commentators, but Jon needs to be edited. Too much rambling, too much repetition.
Gill, there are only two 250s on ATP calendar this week.
One problem tennis have, compared to other major sports is players information and promotion.
You can find complete FIFA, NBA, NFL, Champions League, NHL info within two or three clicks. You dont have anything close for tennis.
Fans follow players over matches or game experience.
We still dont know the weight or the height of some players. Reprehensible.
I heard John Wertheim before in Andy Roddick's podcast about Sinner; he is clearly full of prejudice and anger against Jannik. Clearly he doesn't like him, his opinion is legitimate but not at all legally well informed. There are other cases exactly the same like Sinner on less powerful players, which got the same results like Sinner, Bartoletti to mention one. Did Sinner get an help from this substance? NOOO! the amount was ridiculous. And Jannik provided immediately the proves. Sorry John, find another target, Sinner is honestly and legitimately Number 1!!!!!
Can you please explain the primary objective behind the call for a merger between the WTA and ATP? In this era where women are striving to showcase their independence and break free from patriarchal structures, why do you, as men, continue to advocate for such mergers in a seemingly tongue-in-cheek manner?
There is a belief that everyone can make more money and create a more cohesive product. I happen to think that's correct.
I hate the WTA
Ok kid, get off the internet.
The doping issue, in all of sport, has gone so far into the weeds, technically, that I just don’t care anymore.
Pickleball is a great game, it suits me as I’am 71 and I can compete with much younger players!
Why not play doubles with your pals at the tennis club instead?
@@al1976-v7m I can do that as well, but now I’am living in Thailand, it’s so hot and humid here, very few people play tennis here unfortunately!
Bros mic was irritating as sht for a good 15 min of this video lol
Did Andy make you do that segment in the beginning to advertise his podcast ??? Seemed set up
And when will his generous ass have you on gill ?
Haha no. I wanted to ask Jon about it. My decision completely.
One other thing is, how BAD is the tennis media that not even a sniff of the sinner story got out for 5 months?
Why is it bad that something that's legally kept secret is actually being kept secret? Why would you want anything different?
Such a disappointing perspective AGAIN! Whatever Mr Gross. I know I’m just a unity here and me unsubscribing might bother you zero. But it’s really so unprofessional to keep on casting doubts and shadows on Sinner just because you are maybe afraid to not sound “impartial”. What a shame and mostly what a coward! Sorry that’s my take. A good journalist should get informed and then state the facts. You never state THE FACTS! (not when talking with Fink though…there you seemed to be agreeing with him. I wonder why. Maybe cowardice again?) I simply don’t get why, instead on pointing fingers at Jannik, you don’t ask FOR THE SAME JUSTICE for others. I mean, if you keep repeating that you believe him, why keeping on insinuating double standard allegations? I won’t watch your videos again and I advice people who feel the same to do the same. Bye.
It was only his guest that cast these doubts. Too my ears Gill actually defended Sinner and had originally asked for the discussion not to focus on Sinner. Be quick to listen and slow to judge.
@@benjaminpedersen9548 in the first video he made on Sinner, right after the Clostrbol incident came out, he sounded very doubtful and said he could understand players who were talking of “double standard”. And by saying so he didn’t even bother to have read the papers. He probably read them after but his communication on the topic seemed so ambiguous also afterwards. It’s like he didn’t want to disappoint “some” fan bases. Same happened in this video here, instead of taking a strong position, he kept on being vague. And I’m not expecting him to take that strong position because I’m a Sinner fan, but because the FACTS, the papers explain very clearly why he has been cleared. Plus a real journalist should do his homework, and even if he isn’t that much into law matters, well he should have given a look at the procedures in these cases, not just Sinner’s one, and make comparisons. But mostly he should have learned that the procedures are THE SAME for everyone, ranked 1 or 300. But still he casts doubts, so…yes. VERY DISAPPOINTING and lacking professionalism.
@@michelasavino1929 I have a different read on his stance then. To me he seems quite convinced that things went according to the rules and that Sinner had intention of cheating. In this video he plainly opposed Jon's speculation by stating the same things as you. Can you not tell the difference between the guest Jon and Gill speaking? Jon was the one trying to stir up doubts about Sinner's honesty.
No one believes the sinner story guys. You guys yourselves just said you can’t believe it
I know it's ridiculous
who is no one? there are plenty of people who believe the plausible story they gave and more importantly, the professional judges who do this for a fucking living believe it, people who no a hell of a lot more about doping than you do, keyboard warrior. also, maybe take a look at the case last year that had the exact same outcome with an italian player ranked outside the top 200. not that had to do a little research
I believe it. Majority of people do. You and some other "PavvyG's Conspiracy Theory School" graduates do not... and you are all becoming the irrelevant vocal minority you deserve to be.
I think you mean that you and some other people don't believe it.
There's nothing we can do about it.
0 tolerance and punishment should follow regardless how "innocent" the drugs got into the system. This just tells the public that everyone dopes, just a matter of how powerful you are! I stop watching tennis as it is so clear that it is corrupt. Sinner has changed it all singlhandedly in my view
But that is not the rules!! If you disagree with the rules then it is different
I'm sorry but you're blatantly wrong! Say then I decide I want a specific player out all I have to do in theory is find a way to contaminate them, they'll test positive and in your eyes they should be suspended.
That makes 0 sense when you put it out like that now doesn't it?
The integrity of tennis has been dismantled by this case. It’s not an “allegation.” The man took steroids regardless of his intent. I’m glad dimitrov finally spoke up. This whole season would have been totally different if sinner had actually been punished.
The video was uploaded one hour ago. You wrote 30 min ago. Tell me you didn’t listen without telling me. Also read the report (like they say in the video!!) and you will find out it was contamination. BYE TROLL
@@marissssss11111Technically he can if he skip right to the correct part 😂
I think on the other cases which have been mentioned, the players had not been able to provide an explanation on how they tested positive, hence the suspension (for the investigation to figure it out, not for punishment)
so we should suspend anyone regardless if it’s intentional or not??
@@lailaaaa2466 My understanding is that the suspension does not necessarily relate to a punishment. If you have an explanation and they find it plausible, they will not suspend you but they will punish you for what found. Sinner was punished with points detraction and a fine. Different story will be if you are not able to provide an explanation, regardless of the substance/concentration and regardless of the consequent punishment.
This qas my understanding, but I might be wrong.
Here's a neutral comment coming through. Nothing to see here
1st
Biggest problem is drugs when the world no 1 tested positive, there is no credibility
Just get into the details of the case before you start conspiracy theorizing.
As a fan, a WTA/ATP merger would only dilute the experience : i don't need WTA stuff on the websites i check for the ATP tour.
For the ATP it would be a great risk of being cannibalized. WTA would gain from better budget/marketing/viewership but i don't think ATP would gain anything from a merger.
I agree. As a tennis player and fan, I hardly watch any WTA matches. Male players are much better than the women, and annoying "grunting" seems to be a bigger problem in women's matches than men's.