When I see this film, I originally saw this film called, 'Fists of Fury' NOT 'The Big Boss'. It still confusses me when I see it alled, The Big Boss & Not 'Fists of Fury.' lol
Although I'm from the UK, rather than the US (so this film was always _The Big Boss_ here), I found out about the alternate title _Fists of Fury_ from a documentary about martial arts films. I later found out that this film was supposed to have been called _The Chinese Connection_ (as it shares certain plot similarities, as well as a similar title, to the then-recently-released _The French Connection_ starring Gene Hackman and Roy Scheider) and that _Fist of Fury_ would be retitled _Fists [plural] of Fury_ in the States, but somewhere along the line someone switched the titles so _The Big Boss_ became _Fists of Fury_ whilst _Fist of Fury_ became _The Chinese Connection._ Conversely, although since the US DVD releases in 2008 went to using the English titles used elsewhere globally (i.e. _The Big Boss_ and _Fist of Fury)_ prior to that it was confusing to *us* when people talked about _Fists of Fury_ and _Fist of Fury_ interchangeably when technically the two were completely different films.
@Texy88 what a mix up. I remember having the vhs bruce lee collection. 4 tapes titled Game of death, Chinese connection, return of the dragon, and fists of fury. Only in the late 2000s have I first noticed the titles change.
This isn't what you saw before. Gossiping idiots say the wrong thing. My local shop of idiots sold us the BS overseas alternative reality version as if it was the 2023 Australian version. They lied to us. That's illegal! I'm SO f ing angry 😠 😡
Don't forget that the Warehouse Fight Scene had a deleted scene when originally Bruce Lee picks up the saw and impales it on one of the thugs' head. It was deemed too graphic back then and there's a still shot of that scene.
The original Mandarin version is way better than the US English dubbed version. Even the original UK English dubbed version is way better than the US English dubbed version
Prob not released before coz most the extra bits are gonna be nothing haha. No major fight sequences and no saw scene etc. just tiny little bits of dialogue. I made this comment 55 secs into vid, didn’t watch rest coz waiting my arrow box set..
I disagree , the added scenes improved the story a lot including the family scenes and the final bordello scene , it gave a us a new perspective on the Big boss, the sound track was terrible I'm not a big fan of the mandarin OST . The riverside scene was far more emotional with added footage and gave the character a far more emotionally charged scene as did a lot of the missing footage. it was clearly cut to reduce Tiens screen time fighting and for pacing .
Actually to be fair I do think Bruce's scream by the riverside adds a bit more intensity to the scene and makes for a less jarring edit, it just didn't come to mind as an noteworthy improvement whilst I was writing the review.
@@joshbaker1581 i ordered the Yellow version but i am thinking of cancelling as now i think the covers are much better on the red version apart from the box cover
I also saw The Mandarin Cut at Prince Charles Cinema and it was a very facinating experience. The feel of the auditorium really helped. I really enjoyed the scenes that got discovered, especially seeing Nora Miao's few extra scenes. I was brought up with the Cantonese print that was shown on Channel 4 and I really preffered that edit with the Pink Floyd music in parts. I think I have seen this film the most so it was a very poignant moment in the new scenes to see the main cast together, it felt like a new film if that makes sense, because I was so familiar with the versions we have seen. I agree with you, the Prostitute scene later in the film was quite surreal, especially the camera point of view, no music, of Cheng choosing a lady. It was a shame we never got the Saw In The Head sequence. Being a big fan of the film, there were a few other scenes that didn't appear, such as Mei saying goodbye to Cheng and his Uncle as they leave, and then the sunrise shot. The Cart sequence was quite disappointing but it definitely looked like it was shot at GH studios as it felt like a set backdrop from Fist of Fury! Still a great film for me and I am so fortunate that we now have The Mandarin Cut. Can't wait to see it again on physical media.
The saw scene never existed, it’s pretty obvs it doesn’t. 1: it’s 50 years ago, still no show is the first clue ha. 2: it’s clearly just a publicity still is all of the filming of that fight scene. I’m talking the scene that’s actually in the film we have all seen since forever, the director simply did a Hitchcock. He shows u BL holding a saw and then attack but leaves audience to fill in the gaps no contact with head ever happens!! This is I’m afraid the reality of the matter. No saw scene in the head was filmed, certainly ever released.
What about the blu-ray from planet Neptune? Bruce Lee wears a blue shirt in that version. 💙 I'm the only person who knows this stuff, so now I can't have a conversation with other people about it. They won't know what I'm talking about.
Our version of the famous movie is our history. These WRONG VERSIONS of the famous movies should have been clearly labelled as being from ALTERNATIVE REALITIES. But they lied to us. These fake realities products weren't clearly labelled. We also aren't given a choice of what we want to watch.
I was at the Kilburn Bruce lee film festival as a 16 year old ,getting the bus down from Edinburgh😂😂Also have all my convention tickets.Hard to believe but at one of the conventions Dan inosanto handed me a pair of nunchaku that belonged to Bruce so I could try them out.
I agree with some of your points. But as a Chinese person watching, it felt wrong that Bruce Lee and everyone was speaking Mandarin. Bruce Lee was not a Mandarin speaker. If the film is a representation of the forthcoming Blu-Ray set, then there are some serious quality control issues. I noticed that for something that they billed as 'restored' the colours on the print fluctuated at times. So one moment the colours look bright and vibrant. Then for a few moments it's then looking 'washed out' and 'faded' in places. They also appear to have not removed the original Chinese and English subtitles at times. If I was buying the boxset I would be expecting something better in terms of overall quality than what was shown at the Prince Charles Cinema. Yes I also watched it there.
@@1Percyvideos you really dont understand how rare this footage is do you ? it could of been far far worse ! ITS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD QUALITY CONCIDERING
@@stevenmorris4482 why dont i understand? Nobody has answered my question yet until now. So it is good, so I can't wait to watch it but others have said it is bad that has seen it already
The film was shot without sound and released in Mandarin in 1971, However, yes, Bruce only spoke Cantonese; the (shorter) version in that language didn’t come out until the early ‘80s. It would have been interesting if subtitle removal (using AI) was deployed (I’m thinking of ‘Raining in the Mountain’). Perhaps certain criteria is required for it to work properly? It probably could have benefited from further cleaning (including the removal of cue marks at reel changes), but at least it’s being offered in some form (and a new transfer as opposed to DigiBeta).
There is an interview in which lee himself explains that his voice was never used in any version of this movie, so even watching in Cantonese won't let you hear him speaking
You sure about that? Most of you weren't even born in the 1980's. Bruce wouldn't know himself. He's been gone over 50 years. They put Elvis on stage over 2 decades ago.
The flim is 10 mins longer ,and the 1st bruce lee flim, i cant wait to see the uncut seans as i love this flim ,,i pre ordered the yellow boxset from arrow video 😊
What did you see? What are you referring too? This type of comment, in 2023, isn't acceptable. Not enough details on your comment for people to workout What you're talking about. There's a hundred different versions of the big boss. If you add up the different TV's and home cinema 🎥 then there's thousands and thousands of different versions of the movie.
Well, you're WRONG! ALTERNATE REALITIES ARE NOT historic occasions. Control yourself, man! Stop it with the lunacy! It's none of your business. You're not going to make a cent out of alternative realities.
Cantonese is ORIGINAL, not Mandarin! I think Bruce Lee even mentioned it in his interview with someone who I don't recall his name. Bruce is from Hong Kong and speak Cantonese NOT Mandarin. I have the original version of this (Cantonese), and comparing it side by side makes me laugh because when he (Bruce) speaks in this Mandarin version, it's out of sync with his lips really looks ridiculous!
This is to my understanding how movies in Hong Kong where made at the time. They could even be shot with a multi-lingual cast, but they where all dubbed to mandarin. I think they never even did audio recordings while shooting?
According to audio commentaries I have heard, the first Hong Kong film that Golden Harvest produced to be released in Cantonese by default was _The Iron-Fisted Monk_ (1977), Sammo Hung's directorial debut.
@@horrudu4081 they didn't shot the movies with audio because it was so expensive, the only way that is possible to listen to the original sound is by an tv news crew (Project A) or by official documentary (Return to the 36th Chamber (i think)
Honestly the James Tien stuff that they cut was solid, but overall it didn’t do much for the film. It was nice to see new footage after all these years but it felt like an inferior cut rather than us seeing cool missing scenes
Mine arrived today (Red Box Blu-Ray) So You are saying that the James Tien axe fight Is still edited?. When the Big Boss's son jumps over him and slashes his head with the knife?. Bruce's one Inch punch to the head In the garden?. Dispatching the two thugs He Kicks In the Grown while eating the Prawn Crackers?. Saw to the head scene?. Finding the bodies In the Ice, The guys cutting the bodies up with the saw?. And throwing the parts into the Ice maker?. Bruce walking from the bed to the back of the chair (Filmed from the back) naked with the first prostitute?. I am soooooooooooooooooo glad I saw this as a Workprint, In a Private Cinema (Closed on a Wednesday In the 70's) And all of His others as well. Let's hope that the 50th Year addition of Enter the Dragon, Is put back together with all the missing scenes as well. Like the bit where Roper says to Williams "Better look out for the Referee, You know what I mean" Then Williams opens the food bucket and rocks back shaking His head. Ever wonder Why. Cause It Is full of Eyes (Monkeys Probably) Now You can Impress Your Friends with that one, I could go on................ Thanks for sharing this.
I saw the rare mandarin version in the prince Charles cinema in London . I enjoyed it.
When I see this film, I originally saw this film called, 'Fists of Fury' NOT 'The Big Boss'. It still confusses me when I see it alled, The Big Boss & Not 'Fists of Fury.' lol
Yea same here.
Although I'm from the UK, rather than the US (so this film was always _The Big Boss_ here), I found out about the alternate title _Fists of Fury_ from a documentary about martial arts films. I later found out that this film was supposed to have been called _The Chinese Connection_ (as it shares certain plot similarities, as well as a similar title, to the then-recently-released _The French Connection_ starring Gene Hackman and Roy Scheider) and that _Fist of Fury_ would be retitled _Fists [plural] of Fury_ in the States, but somewhere along the line someone switched the titles so _The Big Boss_ became _Fists of Fury_ whilst _Fist of Fury_ became _The Chinese Connection._
Conversely, although since the US DVD releases in 2008 went to using the English titles used elsewhere globally (i.e. _The Big Boss_ and _Fist of Fury)_ prior to that it was confusing to *us* when people talked about _Fists of Fury_ and _Fist of Fury_ interchangeably when technically the two were completely different films.
@Texy88 what a mix up. I remember having the vhs bruce lee collection. 4 tapes titled Game of death, Chinese connection, return of the dragon, and fists of fury. Only in the late 2000s have I first noticed the titles change.
This isn't what you saw before.
Gossiping idiots say the wrong thing.
My local shop of idiots sold us the BS overseas alternative reality version as if it was the 2023 Australian version.
They lied to us.
That's illegal!
I'm SO f ing angry 😠 😡
I wish my mum would let me change my name by deed poll to ‘Big Boss Mandarin Cut’
With the saw scene
Yuck 🤮
Don't forget that the Warehouse Fight Scene had a deleted scene when originally Bruce Lee picks up the saw and impales it on one of the thugs' head. It was deemed too graphic back then and there's a still shot of that scene.
And the censors were RIGHT and you're wrong.
Li Kuan was a comic actor in Asia at the time. He played a creepy guy in Li Ching's Moonlight Serenade(1967).
The original Mandarin version is way better than the US English dubbed version. Even the original UK English dubbed version is way better than the US English dubbed version
I've already got the Bruce Lee bluray box set. Is this worth buying on its own?
Is this version already available to watch on the internet?
No, there are a few clips though
Prob not released before coz most the extra bits are gonna be nothing haha. No major fight sequences and no saw scene etc. just tiny little bits of dialogue. I made this comment 55 secs into vid, didn’t watch rest coz waiting my arrow box set..
Does it include the saw kill scene? or is that just lost to time?
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This hit the cutting room floor before the film was released in Hong Kong, so yes, it's lost.
@@jasonhart751 Oh well, at least there are still pictures of it floating around.
I disagree , the added scenes improved the story a lot including the family scenes and the final bordello scene , it gave a us a new perspective on the Big boss, the sound track was terrible I'm not a big fan of the mandarin OST .
The riverside scene was far more emotional with added footage and gave the character a far more emotionally charged scene as did a lot of the missing footage.
it was clearly cut to reduce Tiens screen time fighting and for pacing .
Actually to be fair I do think Bruce's scream by the riverside adds a bit more intensity to the scene and makes for a less jarring edit, it just didn't come to mind as an noteworthy improvement whilst I was writing the review.
So is it worth buying it in July?
@@1Percyvideos very much so (if you have the money haha)
@@joshbaker1581 i ordered the Yellow version but i am thinking of cancelling as now i think the covers are much better on the red version apart from the box cover
Have you seen the uncut seans already,,as this boxset doesn come out till july 17th
I seen the mandarin cut at Prince Charles Cinema, London. Maybe one day, complete with the missing saw in the head footage found would be awesome
I also saw The Mandarin Cut at Prince Charles Cinema and it was a very facinating experience. The feel of the auditorium really helped. I really enjoyed the scenes that got discovered, especially seeing Nora Miao's few extra scenes. I was brought up with the Cantonese print that was shown on Channel 4 and I really preffered that edit with the Pink Floyd music in parts.
I think I have seen this film the most so it was a very poignant moment in the new scenes to see the main cast together, it felt like a new film if that makes sense, because I was so familiar with the versions we have seen.
I agree with you, the Prostitute scene later in the film was quite surreal, especially the camera point of view, no music, of Cheng choosing a lady.
It was a shame we never got the Saw In The Head sequence.
Being a big fan of the film, there were a few other scenes that didn't appear, such as Mei saying goodbye to Cheng and his Uncle as they leave, and then the sunrise shot.
The Cart sequence was quite disappointing but it definitely looked like it was shot at GH studios as it felt like a set backdrop from Fist of Fury!
Still a great film for me and I am so fortunate that we now have The Mandarin Cut. Can't wait to see it again on physical media.
The saw scene never existed, it’s pretty obvs it doesn’t. 1: it’s 50 years ago, still no show is the first clue ha. 2: it’s clearly just a publicity still is all of the filming of that fight scene. I’m talking the scene that’s actually in the film we have all seen since forever, the director simply did a Hitchcock. He shows u BL holding a saw and then attack but leaves audience to fill in the gaps no contact with head ever happens!! This is I’m afraid the reality of the matter. No saw scene in the head was filmed, certainly ever released.
The Saw scene does exist!
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@@kato771nah it doesn’t I’m afraid.. it’s a publicity still, it’s so obvs it’s a publicity shot. Think about it, 50 years dude, not turned up yet haha
But will it have the deleted scene where bruce cuts the guy down the middle with the saw in the factory fight??
I believe that footage has been lost forever
One person says a print with some (formerly) missing scenes was shown in Thailand circa 2000 (with local overdubbing).
What about the blu-ray from planet Neptune?
Bruce Lee wears a blue shirt in that version. 💙
I'm the only person who knows this stuff, so now I can't have a conversation with other people about it.
They won't know what I'm talking about.
What’s the footage like as I have heard it’s bad
excellent ..it could have been in far worse shape considering the film is so rare and theatrically used .
To me, I hate the old war cries being put on to the big boss and prefer the english dub sound effects
Our version of the famous movie is our history.
These WRONG VERSIONS of the famous movies should have been clearly labelled as being from ALTERNATIVE REALITIES.
But they lied to us.
These fake realities products weren't clearly labelled.
We also aren't given a choice of what we want to watch.
The ENGLISH movie 🎬 called The Big Boss is great 👍.
That's what our memories are.
This BS that we're being sold is NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
I was at the Kilburn Bruce lee film festival as a 16 year old ,getting the bus down from Edinburgh😂😂Also have all my convention tickets.Hard to believe but at one of the conventions Dan inosanto handed me a pair of nunchaku that belonged to Bruce so I could try them out.
wow that sounds amazing- you were witnessing history- that was very nice of Dan- would've been awkward if you'd broken them if front of him haha
It's not our business.
Mind your own business.
Hold up
So the mandarin cut was released so is that mean the myth about saw scene where bruce lee saw thug head is also exist?
no the saw in the head scene was cut by censors before theatrical release so is likely lost
I agree with some of your points. But as a Chinese person watching, it felt wrong that Bruce Lee and everyone was speaking Mandarin. Bruce Lee was not a Mandarin speaker. If the film is a representation of the forthcoming Blu-Ray set, then there are some serious quality control issues. I noticed that for something that they billed as 'restored' the colours on the print fluctuated at times.
So one moment the colours look bright and vibrant. Then for a few moments it's then looking 'washed out' and 'faded' in places. They also appear to have not removed the original Chinese and English subtitles at times. If I was buying the boxset I would be expecting something better in terms of overall quality than what was shown at the Prince Charles Cinema. Yes I also watched it there.
Sounds bad :(
@@1Percyvideos you really dont understand how rare this footage is do you ? it could of been far far worse ! ITS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD QUALITY CONCIDERING
@@stevenmorris4482 why dont i understand? Nobody has answered my question yet until now. So it is good, so I can't wait to watch it but others have said it is bad that has seen it already
The film was shot without sound and released in Mandarin in 1971, However, yes, Bruce only spoke Cantonese; the (shorter) version in that language didn’t come out until the early ‘80s.
It would have been interesting if subtitle removal (using AI) was deployed (I’m thinking of ‘Raining in the Mountain’). Perhaps certain criteria is required for it to work properly?
It probably could have benefited from further cleaning (including the removal of cue marks at reel changes), but at least it’s being offered in some form (and a new transfer as opposed to DigiBeta).
but all his movies wre released og as mandrin lol
There is an interview in which lee himself explains that his voice was never used in any version of this movie, so even watching in Cantonese won't let you hear him speaking
You sure about that?
Most of you weren't even born in the 1980's.
Bruce wouldn't know himself.
He's been gone over 50 years.
They put Elvis on stage over 2 decades ago.
@@Gma7788 Yes I am 100% sure and Bruce himself said it on a televised interview, which is readily available online. I was born in 1962 btw
The flim is 10 mins longer ,and the 1st bruce lee flim, i cant wait to see the uncut seans as i love this flim ,,i pre ordered the yellow boxset from arrow video 😊
You've never seen this product before.
You can't love something you've never seen before.
Man Big Boss was the joint 😊
What did you see?
What are you referring too?
This type of comment, in 2023, isn't acceptable.
Not enough details on your comment for people to workout What you're talking about.
There's a hundred different versions of the big boss.
If you add up the different TV's and home cinema 🎥 then there's thousands and thousands of different versions of the movie.
Well, you're WRONG!
ALTERNATE REALITIES ARE NOT historic occasions.
Control yourself, man!
Stop it with the lunacy!
It's none of your business.
You're not going to make a cent out of alternative realities.
Cantonese is ORIGINAL, not Mandarin! I think Bruce Lee even mentioned it in his interview with someone who I don't recall his name. Bruce is from Hong Kong and speak Cantonese NOT Mandarin. I have the original version of this (Cantonese), and comparing it side by side makes me laugh because when he (Bruce) speaks in this Mandarin version, it's out of sync with his lips really looks ridiculous!
Mandarin is the original, Bruce Lee speak Cantonese but the film was released in Mandarin language, the Cantonese dub was made in the 80s
This is to my understanding how movies in Hong Kong where made at the time. They could even be shot with a multi-lingual cast, but they where all dubbed to mandarin. I think they never even did audio recordings while shooting?
According to audio commentaries I have heard, the first Hong Kong film that Golden Harvest produced to be released in Cantonese by default was _The Iron-Fisted Monk_ (1977), Sammo Hung's directorial debut.
@@horrudu4081 they didn't shot the movies with audio because it was so expensive, the only way that is possible to listen to the original sound is by an tv news crew (Project A) or by official documentary (Return to the 36th Chamber (i think)
Mandarin cut is the original. They were shot with no audio
Honestly the James Tien stuff that they cut was solid, but overall it didn’t do much for the film. It was nice to see new footage after all these years but it felt like an inferior cut rather than us seeing cool missing scenes
Alternate reality.
His last comment is stupid. Fist of fury fight at the end is better.
Mine arrived today (Red Box Blu-Ray) So You are saying that the James Tien axe fight Is still edited?. When the Big Boss's son jumps over him and slashes his head with the knife?. Bruce's one Inch punch to the head In the garden?. Dispatching the two thugs He Kicks In the Grown while eating the Prawn Crackers?. Saw to the head scene?. Finding the bodies In the Ice, The guys cutting the bodies up with the saw?. And throwing the parts into the Ice maker?. Bruce walking from the bed to the back of the chair (Filmed from the back) naked with the first prostitute?. I am soooooooooooooooooo glad I saw this as a Workprint, In a Private Cinema (Closed on a Wednesday In the 70's) And all of His others as well. Let's hope that the 50th Year addition of Enter the Dragon, Is put back together with all the missing scenes as well. Like the bit where Roper says to Williams "Better look out for the Referee, You know what I mean" Then Williams opens the food bucket and rocks back shaking His head. Ever wonder Why. Cause It Is full of Eyes (Monkeys Probably) Now You can Impress Your Friends with that one, I could go on................ Thanks for sharing this.
Wrong.
You say "still edited".
You have no clue what you're talking about.
The English version is famous.
You're not going to unfamous it.