Loving beers in the shed. Boys you have to keep the budget builds. Add another $5k and make them a $10k budget offroad beast with at least 3-4 trips a year. Get Graham involved and get him a budget build and tell him to catch up. Bring them to the high country and send them. Last couple of weeks episodes were amazing. Watching you guys just sending it was awesome. Congratulations on the new format gents, been a fan since the beginning and now my minny me's are hooked. Keep up the awesome work I live Thursday arvo's
Basic experience Vs the Pros, me and one of my mates limited 4wd experience vs Shauno and Graham to the Cape. 6K budget for your rigs and same for us. We will buy our own 6K rigs. Small budget to build them and do prep. Anything donated by the industry all 4 vehicles have to get. No one can have the same vehicle. Recoveries, breakages cost points , fuel economy and tougher lines gain points. Beers of course on the line.
Thank you Jocko. I love the part when you talked about the Land rover thing, something different. I can feel its all about Toyota and Nissan and it kinda sounds boring sometimes. It would be great if you could do that one day. I appreciate your open mind.
The budget build was an epic adventure. During this time I was sick with Covid and seeing the guys having fun outdoors really helped improve my emotional wellbeing. Thank you very much for helping me get better with the fantastic content of those episodes. It made a world of difference to me. Regards, Phillip
You guys should continue the budget builds and add 5k each time in increments (10k, 15k, 20k) as many people have different budgets for 4wding. So people can see a larger spectrum of mods and how to build their vehicles up.
This new format is great! It breaks the time out almost magazine style and I like that. To answer your questions, I would appreciate more diversity of vehicle, like Jeeps and Land Rovers. Also older vehicles! Other than that, I love that you now have a three amigos feel, with Jocko.
Jocko should definetly be in more episods of beers in the shed! Also would love to see a few more mods/tips/tricks done to the dmax as it would relate alot more to use with new 4wds!
Im looking forward ro Thursdays all week. The reason 4wd24/7 works that good is because, like the old Topgear crew, you know each other well an have fun together. Just keep having fun!
Guys, that series seriously was great viewing. That moment after the lux towed Daryl through the mud and you all got out totally stoked was epic. I was right there with you. I just loved seeing low spec rigs doing tough drives. Anyone can throw money at a rig to do tough tracks but seeing you guys tough it out like that was the best part. Please keep the cars running with no more mods. Absolutely loved it!!!!
The cheap 4wd challenge was awesome, I’d like to see another edition of that in the future. And now that you mentioned it, I can’t wait to see the Dirty 30’s first trip after the build. It really might be the ultimate 4WD
Defo can’t wait to see some feature length vids of your travels over the past month Graham. I noticed you had a kayak on the roof in a few pics, get much kayak fishing done?
Can t wait for Grahams content to come thru, love the budget build ups, tough cars getting built up and used gets everyone intrested.... love your work !
Take the budget rigs touring around the local attractions, beaches bush and just everyday things with raw reactions like bush mechanics. If you're having fun we love watching it! Keep it up!!
You guys are one of the few channels I look forward to on the regular. Even my wife and kids got into it. Keep the goods coming. And tell snatch to make it easier to ship goods to the USA. I’d like to support your channel as I can. See ya next time from California.
I live in north Georgia US, and I really enjoy the tracks and the 4x4 build's . My 1988 Jeep Comanche is really good and goes well, keep them coming. Thanks
Just found this channel. I have been binge watching this channel for a few days now. I really want to take a trip down to Australia and just go 4 wheeling all over. Thank you so much for posting your back catalogue on here for the world to see, and hello from the USA.
Been enjoying all the old vids lately, but the last 3 were great! Jocko had me going with the horn prank on the trails! Sounds like you boys had a good time doing the builds. Excited to see how far you go with them...Maybe consider doing new builds in the future to shake things up a bit. Cheers!
As fun as Daryl and the Hilux were, I say sell them and buy more. Either do another 5k challenge or a 10k, but the more different cheap vehicles shown the more it will prove you dont need a ton of money to get started. But maybe just buy your own vehicles, but make it a rule it cant be something you currently or recently owned.
HEADLINE!!!!! Set up for winners to come out and drive them on a off road track and see how the utes match up to people not use to driving off road. I'd watch that for sure.
@@peezlie4340 lots of mods! but one I'll share here with the dana 30 wheel hubs. use 84-89 cherokee wheel hubs as they are rebuildable using tapered bearings and brake rotor. Tapered bearings last longer than the usual ball bearing wheel hubs!
Peezlie I’ve got a 1988 XJ US market with the 4.0L and manual trans. I run 33’s and a 4.5in Long arm lift with lockers and it’s a beast. I’m normally the smallest rig when We go out but it will go anywhere the bigger rigs go. It also doesn’t hit that I can get the front tire 5ft up before lifting a wheel, long arm flex with disconnecting sway bars can get ridiculous. Had to put a limiting strap on to keep the coil from falling out at full flex
Beers in the shed! Budget builds (choosing a limited amount for upgrades then run what ya brung) Love the adventures. In fact, I think you're already doing it right!!!
Honestly guys, just do what you want as long as you want to. If you’re well into it, we are too. We can tell if you’re not having fun. So just do what you want and have the time of your life. The cheap rig challenge was great tho. And to see the next step (the additional 5k) and then the next after (hopefully in the future), is a fun series to see that we are all gonna more or less follow naturally in our own lives.
Agree Jocko i have Prado for long distance travel. But just bought a Disco Series 11 for beach fishing, driving through the T tree tracks over here and just bush bashing in general. Wish me luck and yes the three amigos are "ON"
Jock in a Landy , and Shaun in a jeep , dooooo itttttt , will be so good to see also keep the troll and lux , was so good to see those cars being sent everywhere
Really looking forward to some more AusSolo from Graham honestly. Its really made me want to go away by myself a lot more, getting mates together for a trip is always so much effort
I think y’all need to do a LIVE beers in the shed. Like put out a premiering notification a few days in advance. I think it would be awesome to see a live beers in the shed!
Me and my family went to Fraser Island last Friday and only got home today and we were lucky enough to meet shauno and jocko and still cant believe we actually met u guys and then the very next day we met roothy and gleno. What an amazing trip that was
I can’t wait for this kind of 4WD culture and channels like this to pop up in America. It’s rare to see a nissan offroad here in the states. Mostly Jeeps, Toyotas, Chevys and Fords. Wish we got some of y’all’s vehicles here in the states
Just started watching a couple weeks back ans loving the content! Be awesome to see a challenge between Jocko and Shauno where they take out a person who has never 4wd'ing and they have to teach them on the go... beers on the line of course!!
I’m in Zimbabwe where Toyota’s completely rule the roost at the moment , love it when I see something different like a Landy . The problem is similar to aus where Toyota’s are just so well supported that it’s hard to choose anything else .
Really impressed with your videos, so entertaining to watch and great bunch of lads enjoying 4x4's. Would love to see a Jeep v's Land Rover bush challenge. Keep up smashing the videos!......
Hell yea mod Daryl and Luxy up even mire and send them please. Most fun I’ve had watching this channel. Laughed every minute. The secret horn, the pony stickers and flipping 4wd’s so so funny 😂 😂😂
I’d love to see the dirty 30 on the trails, also I agree that Graham needs to get into the Bush mechanic challenge. The Jeep TJ shout out warmed my heart, but for the record, the 4.0 straight six is reliable.
whats your guys over all opinions on the 3.2 td pajeros? I got one a few months with a 2inch and 33s on it, and its eaten everything ive thrown at it so far. edit : just snagged a 94 3.0 v6 shorty pajero for another side spender
💯 I wanna see Darryl and pony go head to again, maybe another 5k budget , get you boys to switch cars and go hit some iconic tracks , that’s my 2 cents , love the content lately enjoying every moment of it
Looking forward to seeing Graham’s last month out and about? As a fellow West Aussie and always looking for trips here at home. Another top episode fellas.
Great stuff guys!!!! Beers in the shed, Budget Mods (throw an old zook in to the mix, used to love the zero dollar zook), I've always wanted to see you do a Simpson Desert Trip and more WA tracks please.
Can't wait to see Graham's West End trip. As for the Darryl and the lux add another 5k to them and do either the Top end or 1000 dollar track and to make even more interesting Jocko and Shawno get to pick Graham's Rig and make it a 3 way event.
The budget builds will bring the masses! They're super entertaining and they're attainable goals for regular people. I think you guys should have a bit of fun and buy cheap cars and modify them to go offroad and just laugh at where you can take them. Something 2wd
Oh yea! I own a 4Runner and a Nissan Xterra, (American type troopy). Nothing like a Toyota and a Nissan! I've got to agree with Grahm, those Patrols are amazing. I would love to see that Rig out on the tracks with 4wd aus.
It'd be cool to see a continuous head to head series between Daryl and the Pony, as you guys progressively add more mods to them until they are absolute weapons. Then have a look back at how they performed in the beginning to the end
Loving beers in the shed. Boys you have to keep the budget builds. Add another $5k and make them a $10k budget offroad beast with at least 3-4 trips a year.
Get Graham involved and get him a budget build and tell him to catch up.
Bring them to the high country and send them.
Last couple of weeks episodes were amazing. Watching you guys just sending it was awesome.
Congratulations on the new format gents, been a fan since the beginning and now my minny me's are hooked. Keep up the awesome work I live Thursday arvo's
No get him to do a 5k build. Include car price for long trips.
Time to get Graham in a Toyota!
And don't forget the Taylor Swift's music. A reaction video 😂
Definitely would love to see some more remote travel. Kimberleys, Arnhem land, long distance touring.
Great idea
Really good idea!!!
They can’t go any were because of corona
Basic experience Vs the Pros, me
and one of my mates limited 4wd experience vs Shauno and Graham to the Cape. 6K budget for your rigs and same for us. We will buy our own 6K rigs. Small budget to build them and do prep. Anything donated by the industry all 4 vehicles have to get. No one can have the same vehicle. Recoveries, breakages cost points , fuel economy and tougher lines gain points. Beers of course on the line.
Dyson
Put in another 5k and send em up cape york when the times right
I just started my channel where I take trucks into the mountains and wreck em. Hoping I can make a few folks laugh.
Absalutely would like to see that.
@@bushtruck yeah but your from USA they have shit tracks there
@@dylanmoncrieff8180 I'm in Canada brother. British Columbia the land of the backcountry road!
@@bushtruck im not your brother and still Canada has bad 4wd tracks
Thank you Jocko. I love the part when you talked about the Land rover thing, something different. I can feel its all about Toyota and Nissan and it kinda sounds boring sometimes. It would be great if you could do that one day. I appreciate your open mind.
I agree. It always Nissan v/s Toyota. Something new will be refreshing.
Sounds just like Ford and Chevy here in the US!
as a genuine Pommie I want to see Aussies do landys! lol
Ya, mix it up a bit. Good one, I agree. ... I'm a Jeeper (Canada) but I'd love to see a Defender. That would be cool
@@nrs91 Most of the older one have fallen apart or rusted into the ground by now.
Shauno when are you going to continue on the rebuild on the 47series landcruiser ?? Crazy excited on what your going to do with it.
Dont think he plans on doing much, he said in a previous episode he basically uses it to tow his boat only now
@@UnisonOG That's the 70 series that he uses for towing.
The 47 series is the barn find from a few episodes back. It needs quite a bit of work.
You’re
Yeah i love the thought of an old barn find and what magical jazz you can throw onto it.
Love too see the dirty 30 and jockos hilux on the tracks
And shorty. Maybe all 3 could do a vacation run somewhere with no crazy deadlines.
Can jocko join the beers in the shed more often
Here's the call 4wd 24/7!!!! Get Jocko onboard. Like if you agree👍
it's gonna be crates of beer in the shed haha.
Yes Please. The guy is fantastic. Fun loving guy.
I just started my channel where I go into the mountains with trucks and break em. I just wanna make people laugh.
The budget build was an epic adventure. During this time I was sick with Covid and seeing the guys having fun outdoors really helped improve my emotional wellbeing. Thank you very much for helping me get better with the fantastic content of those episodes. It made a world of difference to me.
Regards,
Phillip
Love a Thursday, pay day and an episode 👌
You guys should continue the budget builds and add 5k each time in increments (10k, 15k, 20k) as many people have different budgets for 4wding. So people can see a larger spectrum of mods and how to build their vehicles up.
Do a series and everytime give yourself a budget to spend on the rigs!! Great work boys
Dear Shauno, with a TJ, some 33inch milestar pats, and a front lokka you would destroy absolutely everyone on these tracks!
-love, all the Americans
I was starting to miss Graham. Good to see him back
I am dying in anticipation for the next Aus solo.... C'mon Graham , I can't hold my breath that long.......
We all can't
Its been along wait hanging out for it
Love the old Daryl and send them north to Cape York and the Telegraph Track
more of the budget rigs is a good thing but the $0 zook was one of my favorite cars that has been on this channel
"Pick a good line and send it" - Advice for everything in life!
This new format is great! It breaks the time out almost magazine style and I like that. To answer your questions, I would appreciate more diversity of vehicle, like Jeeps and Land Rovers. Also older vehicles! Other than that, I love that you now have a three amigos feel, with Jocko.
I’d love to see both rigs after another 5k spent and do similar test etc
Keep it up legends 🍻🍻
You wouldn’t believe the smile on my face when I sore Graham. Been a long time since we’ve seen him. Bloody legend 👍🏼👏🏼
Jocko should definetly be in more episods of beers in the shed!
Also would love to see a few more mods/tips/tricks done to the dmax as it would relate alot more to use with new 4wds!
Im looking forward ro Thursdays all week. The reason 4wd24/7 works that good is because, like the old Topgear crew, you know each other well an have fun together. Just keep having fun!
LS Darryl it would be a weapon
Guys, that series seriously was great viewing. That moment after the lux towed Daryl through the mud and you all got out totally stoked was epic. I was right there with you. I just loved seeing low spec rigs doing tough drives. Anyone can throw money at a rig to do tough tracks but seeing you guys tough it out like that was the best part. Please keep the cars running with no more mods. Absolutely loved it!!!!
2 videos a week and the dirty 30 build or the 45 series would love to see more of
Keep wheeling them, and also chase your left of centre projects -- the Disco and the Jeep!
I just want to know what the sticker on Graham’s laptop says...
Yeah
Hahahaha same, I went back through a couple of episodes to see if I could see it
The Maydena one it’s a bike park in tas I think
@@brendandevulder7762 the blurred one
Petzyl i think, outdoorsy shit.
The cheap 4wd challenge was awesome, I’d like to see another edition of that in the future. And now that you mentioned it, I can’t wait to see the Dirty 30’s first trip after the build. It really might be the ultimate 4WD
Defo can’t wait to see some feature length vids of your travels over the past month Graham.
I noticed you had a kayak on the roof in a few pics, get much kayak fishing done?
The budget build was probably the best series you've done yet! Can't wait to see more
Catching this at midnight in BC Canada. 👌
Bc boyzzz
I'd love to see them wheeling here - Would be even better if it was winter and someone taught them how to REALLY drive in the snow.
Can t wait for Grahams content to come thru, love the budget build ups, tough cars getting built up and used gets everyone intrested.... love your work !
Love the challenges and would like to see Jeep V/S Land rover. That could be interesting. Graham as referee.
Take the budget rigs touring around the local attractions, beaches bush and just everyday things with raw reactions like bush mechanics. If you're having fun we love watching it! Keep it up!!
Was good to see you fallas on the weekend walking through the shop in Gympie
damn wish i was out and saw them then
You guys are one of the few channels I look forward to on the regular. Even my wife and kids got into it. Keep the goods coming. And tell snatch to make it easier to ship goods to the USA. I’d like to support your channel as I can. See ya next time from California.
Joco, great idea on having a disco on the show. A bit of diversity would be great!
Definitely wanna see Darryl and the Lux Pony drive again. Throw some more money at em and let's see more. Love it.
I’m definitely talking for every Nissan and Toyota fan alike when I say throw another 5k at them rigs and send them on a few trips
I live in north Georgia US, and I really enjoy the tracks and the 4x4 build's . My 1988 Jeep Comanche is really good and goes well, keep them coming. Thanks
South Texas here! I have a 1996 Jeep Cherokee 2 door! Love that lil thing. Glides across mud it’s so light
That paint job is actually growing on me haha
I really like the stocky look of that Nissan. I'm glad to see a video giving that Nissan some attention...👍❤👌😁🤗
if I could do one thing to Darry I would make it a Diesel
Yeah thats the downside about Daryl
Yea I'd put a Cummings engine in it and it would fly up the trails lol 😂.
rb30 t
Yep rarely breakdown....
Why?
Just found this channel. I have been binge watching this channel for a few days now. I really want to take a trip down to Australia and just go 4 wheeling all over. Thank you so much for posting your back catalogue on here for the world to see, and hello from the USA.
Hey Graham, how bout we see more of WA tracks😁
You like sand? Haha
@@jesseyrabjones2088 it's not about that mate, getting a little tired of seeing the same scenery. A change is as good as a holiday 😁
Been enjoying all the old vids lately, but the last 3 were great! Jocko had me going with the horn prank on the trails! Sounds like you boys had a good time doing the builds. Excited to see how far you go with them...Maybe consider doing new builds in the future to shake things up a bit. Cheers!
Landy vs jeep build up and putting them to the test would be fun
As fun as Daryl and the Hilux were, I say sell them and buy more. Either do another 5k challenge or a 10k, but the more different cheap vehicles shown the more it will prove you dont need a ton of money to get started. But maybe just buy your own vehicles, but make it a rule it cant be something you currently or recently owned.
Good craic lads, love the banter, sounds like you got the next square off lined up:
Landover v jeep??
HEADLINE!!!!! Set up for winners to come out and drive them on a off road track and see how the utes match up to people not use to driving off road. I'd watch that for sure.
I’m down to see the Jeep and land rover build and challenge. And more original og episodes
yew the gq with the bonnet up is mine promise shes not broken 26:35
Do a shot every time Graham says "Broke the Internet" you might get liver failure but itll be fun!
biggest boomer around.
Thursday nights the tv and drinks are mine all for the new episode of 4WD 24/7 , Keep em coming !🍺
I would love to see a build series of a Jeep, maybe an XJ model.
Shauno's Heep Cherokee XJ!!!
ZarK Eh I’m buying an XJ very soon and getting into 4x4. Love to see what mods are great for it and just how it performs.
@@peezlie4340 lots of mods! but one I'll share here with the dana 30 wheel hubs. use 84-89 cherokee wheel hubs as they are rebuildable using tapered bearings and brake rotor. Tapered bearings last longer than the usual ball bearing wheel hubs!
Peezlie I’ve got a 1988 XJ US market with the 4.0L and manual trans. I run 33’s and a 4.5in Long arm lift with lockers and it’s a beast. I’m normally the smallest rig when We go out but it will go anywhere the bigger rigs go. It also doesn’t hit that I can get the front tire 5ft up before lifting a wheel, long arm flex with disconnecting sway bars can get ridiculous. Had to put a limiting strap on to keep the coil from falling out at full flex
Take all the budget cars plus the old samurai that be a good challenge
I thought i liked Shauno for being a toyota nut like me until he said "i wouldn't mind building a jeep."
think outside your comfort zone.
I would love to see jeep vs Toyota or jeep vs Nissan. Who would win?
Rpmurphey M Defender would win👍🏿
Beers in the shed!
Budget builds (choosing a limited amount for upgrades then run what ya brung)
Love the adventures.
In fact, I think you're already doing it right!!!
Clicked faster than my dad got the milk!
Honestly guys, just do what you want as long as you want to. If you’re well into it, we are too. We can tell if you’re not having fun. So just do what you want and have the time of your life.
The cheap rig challenge was great tho. And to see the next step (the additional 5k) and then the next after (hopefully in the future), is a fun series to see that we are all gonna more or less follow naturally in our own lives.
Shauno can build my jk up for me if he's keen to build a jeep 🍻
Agree Jocko i have Prado for long distance travel. But just bought a Disco Series 11 for beach fishing, driving through the T tree tracks over here and just bush bashing in general.
Wish me luck and yes the three amigos are "ON"
Jock in a Landy , and Shaun in a jeep , dooooo itttttt , will be so good to see also keep the troll and lux , was so good to see those cars being sent everywhere
Good to see you guys back in the shed. Graham let’s see your adventures, can’t wait to see the West Coast.
Definitely keep it.
Cant wait to see more of Daryl and the pony, Graham's solo adventures and the dirty 30 first off road.
Would honestly love to see a bit of fishing while yous are camping on the tracks. Can’t wait for Graham’s episode
Really looking forward to some more AusSolo from Graham honestly. Its really made me want to go away by myself a lot more, getting mates together for a trip is always so much effort
I think y’all need to do a LIVE beers in the shed. Like put out a premiering notification a few days in advance. I think it would be awesome to see a live beers in the shed!
Me and my family went to Fraser Island last Friday and only got home today and we were lucky enough to meet shauno and jocko and still cant believe we actually met u guys and then the very next day we met roothy and gleno. What an amazing trip that was
Definitely more budget build series. They're something most people can feel they relate to/is realistically obtainable.
I can’t wait for this kind of 4WD culture and channels like this to pop up in America. It’s rare to see a nissan offroad here in the states. Mostly Jeeps, Toyotas, Chevys and Fords. Wish we got some of y’all’s vehicles here in the states
Just started watching a couple weeks back ans loving the content! Be awesome to see a challenge between Jocko and Shauno where they take out a person who has never 4wd'ing and they have to teach them on the go... beers on the line of course!!
Jocko, you are all over it, series 1 v8 Disco with 35's around the $1000 track kicks butt
I’m in Zimbabwe where Toyota’s completely rule the roost at the moment , love it when I see something different like a Landy . The problem is similar to aus where Toyota’s are just so well supported that it’s hard to choose anything else .
Really impressed with your videos, so entertaining to watch and great bunch of lads enjoying 4x4's. Would love to see a Jeep v's Land Rover bush challenge. Keep up smashing the videos!......
Hell yea mod Daryl and Luxy up even mire and send them please. Most fun I’ve had watching this channel. Laughed every minute. The secret horn, the pony stickers and flipping 4wd’s so so funny 😂 😂😂
Keep them and add another 5 k. Would love to see these trucks built up. This series was really great!
Cheers 4wd 24-7, for keeping us Melburnian’s sane during our second lockdown 😅
I’d love to see the dirty 30 on the trails, also I agree that Graham needs to get into the Bush mechanic challenge. The Jeep TJ shout out warmed my heart, but for the record, the 4.0 straight six is reliable.
whats your guys over all opinions on the 3.2 td pajeros?
I got one a few months with a 2inch and 33s on it, and its eaten everything ive thrown at it so far.
edit : just snagged a 94 3.0 v6 shorty pajero for another side spender
💯 I wanna see Darryl and pony go head to again, maybe another 5k budget , get you boys to switch cars and go hit some iconic tracks , that’s my 2 cents , love the content lately enjoying every moment of it
Blown v8 patrol ,huge tyres would be awesome to see on the trails.
Looking forward to seeing Graham’s last month out and about? As a fellow West Aussie and always looking for trips here at home. Another top episode fellas.
Great to hear Shauno’s finally realised a Jeep is the way forward !
Loving your work here in the UK 🇬🇧👍
Great stuff guys!!!! Beers in the shed, Budget Mods (throw an old zook in to the mix, used to love the zero dollar zook), I've always wanted to see you do a Simpson Desert Trip and more WA tracks please.
Graham should get a budget build too and take all of them to tassie and cape York
Love the combo of builds, wheeling and q & a. Looking forward to seeing more of the Dirty 30!
Graham’s episodes will be awesome, need more builds
Jocko and Shaun need to find a
Can't wait to see Graham's West End trip. As for the Darryl and the lux add another 5k to them and do either the Top end or 1000 dollar track and to make even more interesting Jocko and Shawno get to pick Graham's Rig and make it a 3 way event.
Graham im super keen to see your adventures around W.A! So keen. Hopefully itll give me ideas for my own trip
The budget builds will bring the masses! They're super entertaining and they're attainable goals for regular people.
I think you guys should have a bit of fun and buy cheap cars and modify them to go offroad and just laugh at where you can take them. Something 2wd
This is why I love my k74 l200 I love being the under dog and still hanging with the big boys 😎
Im not sure if its all the flashing lights and head banging at concerts but i really like the the brush job on darryl hope thats a keeper
As an American fan that owns a Jeep TJ. You're not wrong, reliability is not their biggest selling point. Simplicity is, love the vids
Oh yea! I own a 4Runner and a Nissan Xterra, (American type troopy). Nothing like a Toyota and a Nissan! I've got to agree with Grahm, those Patrols are amazing. I would love to see that Rig out on the tracks with 4wd aus.
Love the show!! Please build a Discovery II!!
Yes please Graham we love to see your trip.
It'd be cool to see a continuous head to head series between Daryl and the Pony, as you guys progressively add more mods to them until they are absolute weapons. Then have a look back at how they performed in the beginning to the end