She literally refused to accept the facts just because she don't want to. She is not even open to the fact that she can be wrong. Full of pride . May Allah guide her
@@pirateblackhawkdown9047 this is sadly the case with many Western people. They think anything other than their way is wrong . They think they have the ultimate supreme moral criteria and anyone other than them are simply wrong just because they aren't them.
She says religion is an expression and interlinked with ethnicity yet Christianity was born thousands and thousands and thousands of kilometres away from England and when it did enter England it caused some battles.
Mohamed Mo what’s happened now is Protestantism has given Christianity a secular Northern European flavour. Hence why Anglo English & American anglos mix secular liberalism with Christianity, sometimes they talk about Christian values lol it’s literally liberal values. You get catholic Christians in parts of southern Italy, like Calabria, Sicily, morals wise and customs wise they are still conservative and closer to middle eastern people culturally. Only difference is they worship a trinity. Same as some Greek Orthodox villages, Albanian Christian villages. So thought I’d say there is no such thing as a broader European culture, only these bigots like to make this mythical greater Europeanism.
I just started reading the Quran in English and I have read 3 chapters so far. Watching youtube channels from Muslims and non muslims (especially ex muslims) confused me and put doubt in my heart of Islam. As I read I am learning more and realising how people, even some Muslims, are lying, twisting words or just don't know what is in the Quran itself and rely for information from so called learned people. So far I am reading that Islam is not violent and that fighting was done in specific circumstances especially when provoked in self defence. I wish to learn more and inshallah write an article or 2 of what I found. Things that are CLEAR from the Quran and not even my personal interpretation. Peace
Dawood S if you need help or want to ask things that you find difficult to understand I’d like to help, I’m not a so called learned person but clearing your conscious would make me happy.
Just be sure to learn it properly. What I mean is, some things are vague and they are vague for a reason (to diffriante between the evil doer and the good doer), so look up the traditional tafsir and renowned scholars from Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jamah (the first 3 generations of Muslims ) and see how they understood the verses and with what evidences.
Dawood S keep learning and reading Quran you don’t need to look Muslim but u need to look islam bc Muslim are not perfect but islam is perfect and try to research and ask the scholars when you need for clarification. Good luck to bruh we’re all students trying our best at this hard time to know more about the truth So never give up Insha Allah 😃😊❤️ Salam ✌🏾
I wish these brothers would study the history of the Balkans particularly Bosnia. We too had mass conversions to Islam. Additionally, we also had true monotheistic followers of Easa alaihi salam that were actually persecuted by both the eastern orthodox and Roman catholic churches. They were considered heretics by both churches and it was predominately these people who embraced Islam. They believed in one God, Jesus peace be upon him as a prophet, had no crosses or statues in their places of worship. For this reason many came to Islam.
This lady with very limited knowledge of these matters was bored at home, she went out the park only to relax. I knew at the first 5 mn that I was going to waste my time. Calibers like Adnan and Hashim should draw a conclusion at the first 10 mn to end up this discussion and to mve to something else more serious!
to be honest i have seen this lady talking against feminism when the people were arguing with her she used to give them articles and books here she didn't do such thing so she clearly doesn't wanna talk
Adnan Rashid should have focused on talking to her about Islam and Aqeeda instead of giving her a history lecture about how bad is Chrstianity since she is ex Christian agnostic who believe on God.
Yeah, she was very uninformed with religion history. "You can replace you examples of Islam history with the word Christian". WHAT ?!?! She has the view of Islam through the lens of ISIS or David Wood. Good talk by bro. Adnan though.
As someone who studies History I already know if a person has a clue about history or not is when they know nothing about Christian world and islamic world, islamic history is rich
A Book which We have revealed unto thee,in order that thou mightest lead mankind out of the depths of darkness into light, by the leave of their Lord to the Way of (Him) the Exalted in power,worthy of all praise! .(QS Ibrahim:1)
Wow, Natty by name and Natty by nature. Her response was basically “I don’t agree”. Adnan, “give me a parallel then”. Natty, “I don’t Agree”, Adnan, “parallel please”, Natty, “oh, but I don’t agree”. She took ignorance to a whole new level.
At the beginning she were in a positioning that Noone can ever change her opinion. Because of her ignorance, don't waste your time on these people brothers.
She is questioning intelligence not racism she sees beyond his thoughts she isn't racist bro she's intelligent May Allah bless her with true hidayat (guidance) and protect us from hypocrites opressors and liars AAMEEN...
Notice how when he mentioned books written by western scholars, she accepted it. Sorry but she sounded ignorant and not intelligent. May Allah guide her.
@@SM-rf4vr may Allah guide her either way as she was respectful and spoke well in my opinion only Allah knows the hearts and minds true thoughts unless revealed
Jizya example in Bosnia. During 400 years of ottoman rule Muslims went to battles from Bosnia, only ~6% returned alive while non Muslims didn’t need to go and fight. Non Muslims increased in numbers due to high nr of dead’s of Muslims and when ottomans left, genocide and revenge started on Muslims with worst during 1992-1995. That is thanks for protection!
I think Adnan is very knowledgeable but he dug himself a hole for himself in 2 points... 1) The Islamic empire was form colonialism especially from a non-Muslim perspective .. 2)The slave trade is a VERY a complex issue and there is evidence that the Arabs/Muslim were involved.. so I would not touch this topic unless the listener is willing to discuss it in detail... as it requires discussion of Quranic/Hadith and subsequently the historical context
How can she get away with saying there are different definitions of racism? No racism is racism there's only one definition. Now if she said there are different manifestations of Racism then cool. I personally think those who don't experience racism on a daily basis shouldn't be the ones to lead the conversation on it, that's like a rapist dictating the conversation over the person they raped.
I feel its people like her who support racist systems that always get triggered. In UK and US they try to discredit racism, some even play victims claiming people are using the racist card on them.
Please, brothers.. stop preaching and lecturing and get to the point..be brief and allow them to speak so they can engage.. her original point that religion is based on ethnicity/culture would get destroyed in 2 sentences .. 1)Christianity came from the middle east... 2) Arabs constitute less than 20% of the world Muslim population with Indonesia being the largest Muslim country in the world .. done case closed... lets move on
Territory and conversion go hand in hand. The difference today is you can't force people unless you live in a territory where it is a crime to not follow the religion of nation
I hate when people try to demonize the Arabs before Islam (Jahiliya). The prophet peace be upon him said: “i was sent to perfect the honorable morals” perfect not establish, now keep that in mind.
she doesn't know much about the things she is discussing and she admitted as much,yet she gives herself the right to believe or not based on what ?? whims and desires?
Natty, Professor Roy Casagrande of Austin University in America. His background is Switzerland, and he is not Muslim. Look him up on UA-cam, you will be shocked what he says regarding Islam.
She clearly only heard good things about christian and bad things about islam before. Now that she heard the opposite, thats where shes a little better than talking to hatun.
for this women, if you claim islam forcing to convert people, then give me answer which muslim army come to indonesia?? when indonesia the largest muslim in the world. so tell me
what about syriac orthodox church eastern orthodox church assyrian church of the east russian orthodox church orthodox church of ukraine armenian apostolic church greek orthodox church of antioch ethiopian orthodox tewahedo church
Sometimes the Truth may hurt some one. Its not about you wanting to agree or excepting it, but its the Fact! Its there in History. But are you ready to except the Truth or all you want is just Fairytales stories just for you to be satisfied? May Allah Guide and open your Hearth to except what is the TRUTH.
What a complete waste of time as far as the ladies presence and input. Allhumdulilah brother adnan redeemed it with the history lecture about islam and christandom. A very honest approach highlighting the problems with both religious groups.
Brothers you should sometimes let these idiots talk talk as much as they want.that gives you a lot of insights to their beleives and knowledge in the mean time you can arrange ur ideas in your head. Some times they are just empty and jist pick on what you say.
Believe in the higher power(Creator) is part of faith...but she must read and study Qur'an to confirms her believe...they are signs everywhere and she's only able to understand it through Qur'an and Hadeez...she has to read and make comparison.... only if they have flyers to give so they can have references of Signs from the Creator in the Qur'an....I hope they work on a flyers to give so they can study...simple and concrete proof from Qur'an and Hadeez that is coming into reality in this 20th century...she is nice too btw like kay...only kay misunderstood and have wrong information@ interpretation of Qur'an..sadly most of them believed in it...she often generalising it all of her assumptions of Quran and the bible...May Allah guides them
Allah gave her the opportunity to learn but 🤔i think shaytan also had his mission too and her emotions got in the way even though there where facts that a babay could understand subhannAllah😒
Obviously that woman was not interested in the conversation.. So, I think Adnan c.s. would much be better to cut the conversation with her immediately.. this video has nothin valuable worthy to see..
Sometimes like this lady you should arrange yourselves so you could grap that young muslim guy with the glasses to debate this woman. Try to match their level.heavy weights like you brothers should only encourge youngesters to debate her level.she seems to enjoy the attention she does not deserve from big hitters.
She literally refused to accept the facts just because she don't want to. She is not even open to the fact that she can be wrong. Full of pride . May Allah guide her
Arrogance on outside and within inside.
but she's so rude to ignore the conversation and rolling her eyes and such
She's white is either their way or everything else is wrong.
@@pirateblackhawkdown9047 this is sadly the case with many Western people. They think anything other than their way is wrong . They think they have the ultimate supreme moral criteria and anyone other than them are simply wrong just because they aren't them.
@@pirateblackhawkdown9047 Skin colour as nothing to do with that. That is like saying asians can't drive, its racist.
She says religion is an expression and interlinked with ethnicity yet Christianity was born thousands and thousands and thousands of kilometres away from England and when it did enter England it caused some battles.
Mohamed Mo what’s happened now is Protestantism has given Christianity a secular Northern European flavour.
Hence why Anglo English & American anglos mix secular liberalism with Christianity, sometimes they talk about Christian values lol it’s literally liberal values.
You get catholic Christians in parts of southern Italy, like Calabria, Sicily, morals wise and customs wise they are still conservative and closer to middle eastern people culturally.
Only difference is they worship a trinity.
Same as some Greek Orthodox villages, Albanian Christian villages.
So thought I’d say there is no such thing as a broader European culture, only these bigots like to make this mythical greater Europeanism.
@j d you are a descendant of immigrants, we all are. Your deluded nationalistic beliefs are absurd.
I just started reading the Quran in English and I have read 3 chapters so far. Watching youtube channels from Muslims and non muslims (especially ex muslims) confused me and put doubt in my heart of Islam. As I read I am learning more and realising how people, even some Muslims, are lying, twisting words or just don't know what is in the Quran itself and rely for information from so called learned people.
So far I am reading that Islam is not violent and that fighting was done in specific circumstances especially when provoked in self defence. I wish to learn more and inshallah write an article or 2 of what I found. Things that are CLEAR from the Quran and not even my personal interpretation.
Peace
Dawood S if you need help or want to ask things that you find difficult to understand I’d like to help, I’m not a so called learned person but clearing your conscious would make me happy.
Dawood S ll u be Muslim for yourself or for so called muslim
Just be sure to learn it properly. What I mean is, some things are vague and they are vague for a reason (to diffriante between the evil doer and the good doer), so look up the traditional tafsir and renowned scholars from Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jamah (the first 3 generations of Muslims ) and see how they understood the verses and with what evidences.
Dawood S keep learning and reading Quran you don’t need to look Muslim but u need to look islam bc Muslim are not perfect but islam is perfect and try to research and ask the scholars when you need for clarification.
Good luck to bruh we’re all students trying our best at this hard time to know more about the truth So never give up Insha Allah 😃😊❤️ Salam ✌🏾
@@tariqbaater thanks how can I contact you
Pride is dangerous.
@j d the men in the video dont do that though. But I agree, if you go to a foreign country, you respect the law of land ;)
I wish these brothers would study the history of the Balkans particularly Bosnia. We too had mass conversions to Islam. Additionally, we also had true monotheistic followers of Easa alaihi salam that were actually persecuted by both the eastern orthodox and Roman catholic churches. They were considered heretics by both churches and it was predominately these people who embraced Islam. They believed in one God, Jesus peace be upon him as a prophet, had no crosses or statues in their places of worship. For this reason many came to Islam.
Interesting bro.have learnt something from you always wondered how Islam reached Bosnia thank ypu
Source?
there is a three Legends...❤❤❤
Br. Adnan
Br. Hashim
Br. Mohammad Ali
This lady with very limited knowledge of these matters was bored at home, she went out the park only to relax. I knew at the first 5 mn that I was going to waste my time. Calibers like Adnan and Hashim should draw a conclusion at the first 10 mn to end up this discussion and to mve to something else more serious!
Congratularions Adnan, you spent over 30 minutes talking to wall.
to be honest i have seen this lady talking against feminism
when the people were arguing with her she used to give them articles and books
here she didn't do such thing
so she clearly doesn't wanna talk
Bro, when Adnan Rashid speaks, you listen. That is a golden rule.
When Adnan speaks shit pours out of his mouth
Adnan Rashid should have focused on talking to her about Islam and Aqeeda instead of giving her a history lecture about how bad is Chrstianity since she is ex Christian agnostic who believe on God.
I love n respect these 3 dais for their wit n effort
May Allah grand these brothers highest rank in jannah Ameen
Yeah, she was very uninformed with religion history. "You can replace you examples of Islam history with the word Christian". WHAT ?!?! She has the view of Islam through the lens of ISIS or David Wood. Good talk by bro. Adnan though.
Incentives were given.
Complete religious freedom was given unlike western imperialism.
Adnan + Muhammad = Case closed!
As someone who studies History I already know if a person has a clue about history or not is when they know nothing about Christian world and islamic world, islamic history is rich
The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. - Martin Luther King Jr.
I personally think she wasn’t listening at all. people become disengenous when in public. Last 10 minutes were better than talking to her.
A Book which We have revealed unto thee,in order that thou mightest lead mankind out of the depths of darkness into light, by the leave of their Lord to the Way of (Him) the Exalted in power,worthy of all praise! .(QS Ibrahim:1)
Brilliant comparison ! Thanks Adnan & Hashim
12.00 important distinction between Muslim conquest of territory and spread of faith.
Wow, Natty by name and Natty by nature. Her response was basically “I don’t agree”. Adnan, “give me a parallel then”. Natty, “I don’t Agree”, Adnan, “parallel please”, Natty, “oh, but I don’t agree”. She took ignorance to a whole new level.
لقد كان المسلمون لطفاء دائماً تجاهيلقد كان المسلمون لطفاء دائماً تجاهي
brother adnan gave her a big dose of truth she wasnt ready to absorb.
She was like "i didn't study it but i don't agree with it" . aspirin time
She wasn't falling for any of his bullshit Hahahahahaha
Or she lacks the intellect, maybe like you?
@@SM-rf4vr Are you a MAP apologist?
@@thereanimator926 what are you talking about?
My country was suffering under the rule of christianity, during the era of imperialism
its called expansionism like all powers, or risk annihilation. Natty is a bit nutty.
9 29 of qurtubi one of the best places for details on jizyah.
These individuals just want 15 minutes of fame. Lady just feel like hanging out.
good informations
At the beginning she were in a positioning that Noone can ever change her opinion. Because of her ignorance, don't waste your time on these people brothers.
When she makes a claim and you ask her why, she just shrugs? Lol that is pure ignorance
Everyone with giant ego should only debate with a mirror. You can't learn anything from others with your ego.
She is questioning intelligence not racism she sees beyond his thoughts she isn't racist bro she's intelligent
May Allah bless her with true hidayat (guidance) and protect us from hypocrites opressors and liars AAMEEN...
Notice how when he mentioned books written by western scholars, she accepted it. Sorry but she sounded ignorant and not intelligent. May Allah guide her.
@@SM-rf4vr may Allah guide her either way as she was respectful and spoke well in my opinion only Allah knows the hearts and minds true thoughts unless revealed
Jizya example in Bosnia. During 400 years of ottoman rule Muslims went to battles from Bosnia, only ~6% returned alive while non Muslims didn’t need to go and fight. Non Muslims increased in numbers due to high nr of dead’s of Muslims and when ottomans left, genocide and revenge started on Muslims with worst during 1992-1995. That is thanks for protection!
What book brother Adnan was holding ? Anyone know the name of that book? Really want to read it. Thanks ?
I don't think she fit with this historical & intelligence discussion.
Even her definitions only she agree and understand
ma sha allah
marshallah thats all i can say
I love Adnan but he take control of conversations without even allowing his colleagues to contribute.. Allah guide them all for all they do ..
if someone can give me few names of books to read about muslim civilization, that'll be good.
Westing of time Adnan bahi
When the truth come agains falsehood they locks out his brain
Erm...awkward moment when she says she would align with Christianity as it's majority is white follower's... BUT JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW lool
So she could easily join the KKK.
There is only one definition of racism
It's very hard to discuss subjects (religion and history) with someone that has no clue about them.
I think Adnan is very knowledgeable but he dug himself a hole for himself in 2 points... 1) The Islamic empire was form colonialism especially from a non-Muslim perspective .. 2)The slave trade is a VERY a complex issue and there is evidence that the Arabs/Muslim were involved.. so I would not touch this topic unless the listener is willing to discuss it in detail... as it requires discussion of Quranic/Hadith and subsequently the historical context
Name of book?
How can she get away with saying there are different definitions of racism? No racism is racism there's only one definition. Now if she said there are different manifestations of Racism then cool. I personally think those who don't experience racism on a daily basis shouldn't be the ones to lead the conversation on it, that's like a rapist dictating the conversation over the person they raped.
I feel its people like her who support racist systems that always get triggered. In UK and US they try to discredit racism, some even play victims claiming people are using the racist card on them.
Please, brothers.. stop preaching and lecturing and get to the point..be brief and allow them to speak so they can engage.. her original point that religion is based on ethnicity/culture would get destroyed in 2 sentences .. 1)Christianity came from the middle east... 2) Arabs constitute less than 20% of the world Muslim population with Indonesia being the largest Muslim country in the world .. done case closed... lets move on
Territory and conversion go hand in hand. The difference today is you can't force people unless you live in a territory where it is a crime to not follow the religion of nation
What book does brother adnan have?
Nice gloves, thats all i think through the video
can someone tell me why the camera focus and zooming a guy at 12:57 ??he acting weird to me...
He looks like Alex the French guy cooking
@@jamalahmed1709 The pakistani Alex
Adnan is wasting his precious time with this one I think
I hate when people try to demonize the Arabs before Islam (Jahiliya). The prophet peace be upon him said: “i was sent to perfect the honorable morals” perfect not establish, now keep that in mind.
This is true. They have some very negative traits that are always focussed on but they also had many noble and honourable traits.
Kashif exactly
Muslims paid zakat, which comes out to be more than jazya
This lady is joke. She just pretend to act, but intellectually she failed.
Well done br Adnan for intellectually slap her.
cold Adnan
she doesn't know much about the things she is discussing and she admitted as much,yet she gives herself the right to believe or not based on what ?? whims and desires?
Serinica in Greece was Jewish city in ottoman time
Natty, Professor Roy Casagrande of Austin University in America. His background is Switzerland, and he is not Muslim. Look him up on UA-cam, you will be shocked what he says regarding Islam.
Will not except the facts, typical Natty Natting away.
She clearly only heard good things about christian and bad things about islam before. Now that she heard the opposite, thats where shes a little better than talking to hatun.
Legends
الحرمة ماتبغى تسمع
& i thought that she was smart ...
الله يهديها بس ....
Brother Adenan is very fit to debate!!
Why should other brothers interject???
for this women, if you claim islam forcing to convert people, then give me answer which muslim army come to indonesia?? when indonesia the largest muslim in the world. so tell me
Brothers, give little bro Muhammad a chance to speak..lol
whats glowing in her hand
Under crescent and cross mark cohen
Àdnan says Muslims come with Swords to conquer and people there accept Islam by they own.
:))))))))
Adnan bhi you missunderstood her the guy knew what is the deal... And He can better make it
Lol she walked away? The truth hurts sorry but not sorry.
what about syriac orthodox church eastern orthodox church assyrian church of the east russian orthodox church orthodox church of ukraine armenian apostolic church greek orthodox church of antioch ethiopian orthodox tewahedo church
Yup!, She's a troll.
Wauw. I coulden't take it anymore . After 28 minutes i gived up.
Her arrogance was to much for me to handle.
what about caucasus and caucasian countries
Sometimes the Truth may hurt some one. Its not about you wanting to agree or excepting it, but its the Fact! Its there in History. But are you ready to except the Truth or all you want is just Fairytales stories just for you to be satisfied? May Allah Guide and open your Hearth to except what is the TRUTH.
What a complete waste of time as far as the ladies presence and input. Allhumdulilah brother adnan redeemed it with the history lecture about islam and christandom. A very honest approach highlighting the problems with both religious groups.
إنها لا تفهم الإسلامإنها لا تفهم الإسلام
Brothers you should sometimes let these idiots talk talk as much as they want.that gives you a lot of insights to their beleives and knowledge in the mean time you can arrange ur ideas in your head. Some times they are just empty and jist pick on what you say.
But the Christian life in Muslim country is hard it's not easy.
How many of you talk over her taking advantage
No islamic sword come to my country. Now my country is biggest population of muslim.
what about italy spain portugal southeastern european countries
Bad example for conversations of islam,they speech together in same time
Pact of Omar in Spain would be a nice discussion..islam is not so nice towards non muslims.
She is not interested to have intellectual conversation. Why do i sense desperation on ur side?
Believe in the higher power(Creator) is part of faith...but she must read and study Qur'an to confirms her believe...they are signs everywhere and she's only able to understand it through Qur'an and Hadeez...she has to read and make comparison.... only if they have flyers to give so they can have references of Signs from the Creator in the Qur'an....I hope they work on a flyers to give so they can study...simple and concrete proof from Qur'an and Hadeez that is coming into reality in this 20th century...she is nice too btw like kay...only kay misunderstood and have wrong information@ interpretation of Qur'an..sadly most of them believed in it...she often generalising it all of her assumptions of Quran and the bible...May Allah guides them
Allah gave her the opportunity to learn but 🤔i think shaytan also had his mission too and her emotions got in the way even though there where facts that a babay could understand subhannAllah😒
Madman lying every time he opened his mouth
Obviously that woman was not interested in the conversation.. So, I think Adnan c.s. would much be better to cut the conversation with her immediately.. this video has nothin valuable worthy to see..
Sometimes like this lady you should arrange yourselves so you could grap that young muslim guy with the glasses to debate this woman. Try to match their level.heavy weights like you brothers should only encourge youngesters to debate her level.she seems to enjoy the attention she does not deserve from big hitters.
These people try so hard to degrade Islam but end up looking like fools
natty is definitely naggy. no hate just an obvious scene
8.30 Rahh was she sniffing coke??
Edit: 23:00 did she just say her name is nitty??
why jesus did not go to the whole world to tell that i m god or son of god?? why he just told to few thousand israelis??