Die Another Day | The Pros and Cons | A Fan Discussion
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2021
- After nearly two decades of bashing, is it time to start seeing the GOOD in Die Another Day?
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Weirdly, lockdown switched my opinion on this film. Times were miserable and something about the far fetched tale of this film made me have a real soft spot for it.
I enjoy it
Its goofy but it also has some sweet Bond moments. Flipping the car with the ejector 💺 is just pure entertainment.
Same
i still remember watching this Movie in Theatre when it was released, it was thorough Entertainment, and made me feel like Bond while driving my Honda Accord...for few minutes anyway..😀
I absolutely loved the first 45 minutes, and really disliked the rest.
There’s so much that’s wrong about this film, but I miss the fun of the Brosnan era that is largely absent from the last 5 films.
I have more fun the best Craig films [enjoying the action and drama] than this-this is just painful to watch at times.
Unlike NTTD
I still feel pierce brosnan could just be more funny and still tough, when Daniel Craig try’s to be funny he just comes off as a bit of a nob.
@@residentsteve STOP, don't go through that door!!!
@@residentsteve Each bond has his own skills. Dalton + Craig were not as good at humour as Connery, Moore and Brosnan were.
I’ve softened on Die Another Day. It’s very fun. A bit in the goofy side, and is riddled with flaws. But it’s still a ton of fun. It’s also proof that even in the worst Bond films, there’s still an enjoyment factor.
AGREED!!!
The fun factor was certainly missing in the Craig movies! He always looked miserable!
I love a lot of aspects of this movie. But if your movie has a North Korean turning himself white not be the weirdest part of your movie then you need to do some rewrites.
Wrong. Rewatch it again. You were hypnotised to think it was the worst Bond film, in the same way that the Tudors hypnotised the people to think that Richard III was the worst King after they deposed him and came to power. Every single thing in this film is banging and awesome. Its a top-ten Bond film. That's not my opinion, that's an objective provable fact. And prove it I shall.
I remember coming out of the cinema and someone in front of me said "how is it possible to spend so much money and still make such a bad movie?" It is a terrible terrible film. It was received as an absolute disaster. Journalists panned it. Normal people were just laughing at it. These two are being insincere about the reactions at the time and their 'swinging opinions' in order to generate artificial drama and thus get more clicks and views.
This movie has, arguably, one of my favorite lines ever:
"I'm Mr. Kil."
"Well there's a name to die for."
Yeesh, that was lame was in 2002. No, good Bond lines are, "Alimentary, Dr. Leiter" and this exchange:
Goodhead: "C'mon Mr. Bond, a seventy year old can take 3Gs."
Bond: "There is never a 70 year old when you need one !".
I absolutely love Die Another Day, the first Bond film I saw on the big screen. I know it’s absurd and crazy, but every time I watch it I can’t help but enjoy the hell out of it.
To be honest me to! Good cast especially Rosamund Pike and Rick Yune. Toby Stephens was a great bond baddie. Roger Moore's daughter playing the air stewardess was the best scene lol
@@jonathanfurzeland4740 Pierce's first wife appeared in a Roger Moore Bond film; full circle.
@@bonghunezhou5051 For Your Eyes Only. 👍
This is really random but thank you for this, I've had the worst day of my life and you've managed to make me smile simply by seeing the video in my subs box.
What happened?
Stay strong, buddy and well done for being here :)
the worst day of your life... YET. but as some wise man once said. "Never let them see you bleed"
Prayin it gets better!:)
It’s the little things we value in life that cheer us up right? I hope the rest of your day or evening goes nicely!
"What if the bad guy had a Bond Car too?" is an amazing question to ask and answer.
yes i'm sure thats what they thought :)
That WOULD have been so cool! A gadget car duel! Bond wins, of course!!!
Maybe they didn’t, since no one wanted to see Bond’s great cars get tore up! But it would have been awesome!
@@Geezer-yf8hv Errrm, how about the scene in Die Another Day where Bond’s gadget laden Aston Martin goes head to head with Zao’s gadget laden Jaguar?
@@BungleBare I think he wanted more of a slugging match with Zao's car than bond tricking Zao into killing himself using the stealth.
Well batman has that problem with the Joker having a Jokermobile.
Calvin in 2011: "And so this jaunty romp begins as many of the Bond films do with the classic gunbarrel sequen--- CHRIST!!!"
its still better than all the craig gunbarrels
That moment in the review was amazing!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽half of the film was shit. Other half deserved oscars for best action and best stunts
@@pjosepha I hope you mean the first half is good. And 2nd half is shit.
Theme song was 100 times more listenable than NTTD snoozefest theme song
I actually think that Toby Stephens smirky performance works, seeing that the character Moon plays the part of what he conceives an upper class britt to be, someone who'd he be disgusted by. He even says at one point that he modeld Graves after Bond which would be his impression of Bond, and I think that works brilliantly.
Gustav is great. They just had to give him that ridiculous suit at the end....
Exactly
Agree completely! Moon's contemptuous smirks become Graves's contemptuous smirks. No other Bond villain goes through this kind of transformation; Gustav Graves is one of a kind.
Oh look parachutes.
(Throws one out door)
Opps not anymore
@@timothyw98 Its such a great line
I am a huge bond fan. I have to say Die Another Day is my favorite Bond film. It's fun, first time Pike and Bronson worked together. It's bad, but my God it's fun, and it took you places, and made you forget the world for a bit
Since watching NTTD I've watched Die Another Day, and I've come to appreciate Die Another Day more than I used to. Yes, the dialog is probably the worst in the series but I do feel that they're actually trying to make a "big" fun movie. After the Craig era, I've been craving the movies that you can watch without having to feel miserable by the end, even if you're sometimes laughing "at" the movie instead of with it.
totally agree, as bad as Die Another Day can get (and it gets REALLY bad, especially towards the last 30 minutes), it is undoubtedly the last truly "fun" Bond film. The Craig films had some attempts at humor in them, but i hope we're gonna move on from this self-serious approach and get back to something more akin to the Goldeneye school of thought, when it comes to the overall tone.
I consider Die Another Day the last Bond film, Daniel Craig was a James Bond Junior, a 007 wannabe that never was, i hope the next Bond will be the true Bond like Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan
@@travis07ful lol 🤣 Casino Royale 2006 is a masterpiece as is No Time to Die
@@RobertK1993 Masterpiece for little boys, James Bond Junior is betrayed in Cassino Royale and dies in No Time to Die
@@travis07ful Casino is infinitely better than DAD, although I find DAD enjoyable. Craig’s Bond is meant to be a less developed version of the character who becomes Bond over time, so it makes sense that he wouldn’t seem as identifiable with classic Bond.
For me Die Another Day is one of those “it’s so bad it’s good movies”. It was ridiculous, dumb and campy. But, heck. I loved it for its entertaining value.
Me also. Indeed, I would rather watch this than Craig's miserable face in Skyfall or sleep-walking through Spectre.
Nah, 'Die Another Day' is so bad it's atrocious !
All Bond films are bad. They cater to the men’s silly fantasies
@@cataldotraining7735 You have really shit taste if you'd rather watch Die Another Day over any of those. Jesus.
@@Zack_410 I guess everybody likes different things in a Bond film. Die Another Day had some hideous moments I will agree and it’s by far from my favourite. No Time To Die brought back the fast paced action. But the previous one Spectre is the only Bond film to date that bored me.
But Q's underground Lab scene was AMAZING and nostalgic to see all the old gadgets (Lazer watch too) there and re confirm that Brosnan's Bond was spiritually the same Bond that we've seen for the last 40 years thats been on all these adventures :) . Thanks Calvin and David, I'm glad you guys are doing these videos. Hope to see more soon
R's* ;)
@@dereklewis4321 ha ok then, R's :)
Most of the scenes that work in this movie stem from Brosnan's sharp delivery and interplay.
I actually love that Q scene.
It's another example of wasted potential -- even though I liked the move to reboot with Craig -- as Brosnan and Cleese work extremely well together.
Brosnan really was great in the role; the ability to deliver the one-liners/puns with both ennui and a nasty edge was an underrated talent he had, elevating dialogue that would have been merely campy (Moore) or pained (Dalton) if delivered by his predecessors, and that particularly matters in a ludicrous movie like Die Another Day. There's this strange irony where he's left with these OTT lines and sequences, yet creates a cold cadence through presence and delivery.
That is, much of it has the gravity of a serious performance, even as the movie itself isn't coherent enough to follow that performance.
Die Another Die collapses under its excess, despite Brosnan's talent. But there are scenes themselves that play very well simply because of how good he is in the role.
@@anen9332 I still enjoyed it cos he was the best Bond imo
It's amazing how Calvin never ages, I like Die Another Die. The string of cheap jokes and playing with puns is hilarious and anything Brosnan is not bad.
I was pleasantly surprised the Delectado cigars showed up again in No Time to Die. A Die Another Day reference was something I was not expecting in that movie.
It's the Fourth Bond film in the Brosnan era, and it's just occurred to me that just as the Third Bond film is usually the classic for each era (Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, Skyfall), the fourth is the Marmite Bond film. People either like it or they don't (Thunderball, Moonraker, Spectre)
Spectre is solid, problem is possibly the best Bond film ever came before it and its the best ever for me as well. Moonraker is the worst one ever for me. Thunderball is good.
So sad Timothy Dalton didn't get a third movie.
I just watched it again for the first time in a while. It’s bad, it’s very dumb, but not boring like Spectre. It’s one of the weakest Bond films but like most bad Bond films, it’s fun.
Yeah Spectre is worse just by being more boring. Not only is Die Another Day not the worst Bond film, it's not even the worst Bond film this century.
@@olivergiggins7931 DAD is like fine aged cheese. As a kid you thought it was gross, as you get older its still gross but you've come to appreciate it. Specter on the other had is milk that has been left sitting out.
It started decently enough, but then it became more and more silly. I think its greatest failing was writing both the major plot and the details as callbacks to the previous 19 movies for the 40th anniversary. If it was left just fo its thing, with only the little details referencing the Bond history, it could actually have been good. Even with the parasurfing!
@@salmonsandwich3183 Speceter is just plain boring, the train fight is the only okay moment in a 2.5 hour movie. Its easily the worst Bond film ever made. It also ruins aspects of previous Bond films. Sylva being his own man seeking revenge on M? Na, its actually Blofeld. 🤮
WHY DOES NOBODY TALK ABOUT QUANTUM OF SOLACE. That was great
i love the madonna song and the visuals. i think it feels very much like a bond song. the visuals really work to juxtapose bond's suffering, telling us this is a serious bond movie, taking the character to new places as an abandoned prisoner while showing us what the series has always been before with dancing women. very powerful intro song that would have worked a million times better if the rest of the movie was actually as serious as much of it had been in the first half.
*What I love:*
One of the best opening Bond sequences. North Korea. Hovercraft. Bond gets captured and tortured.
One of my favorite title sequences and Bond theme songs.
Great interplay between Bond and M here. M says he should have taken his cyanide. Bond says he threw it out a long time ago. That’s an unexplored area of Bond world and very interesting but speaks a lot about both their characters.
Bond’s escape and cleaning up in the hotel and then negotiating assistance with the CCP spy agency. Pierce Brosnan is such a handsome James Bond when he cleans up.
The scenery of Havana, pretty exotic. Love his car.
The introduction of Jinx is the coolest intro of a Bond girl since Dr No. I think the music that played over her walking off the beach shouldn’t have been melodramatic, though; should have been uptempo.
The fencing club scenes are great.
The Quartermaster scene is chock full of Easter eggs for all precious 19 Bond films (as is the whole film). Bond gets his 20th watch (this is the 20th Bond).
*What I don’t love:*
That being said, all of the parts I love about this film are in the first half. Once Bond gets to Iceland, there’s nothing I love but there’s things I hate. The CGI para-surfing was unforgivably bad. The invisibility cloak on the Vanquish makes no sense because you should still hear the engine and see the exhaust.
Well, about the Aston (Now you have EVs that are low noise and you have cars that can change exhaust)and gadgets in general,they were represented and made for 'Spec Op' units and I Will leave it at That. Thanks
The thing that drives me most crazy about this film, is that when the invisible car is revealed in the train station, you can see Q's legs distorted when he's on the other side of the car from the camera. But later in the film, Bond hides behind the car in stealth mode like he doesn't think anyone would see him.
all of these episodes are just calvin marveling at davids bond stuff lol
I was born the year Goldeneye came out, and was raised watching Pierce Bronsan's Bond. Therefore, i find ALL of his films amazing.
I'm voting Tomorrow Never Dies for the next one, pretty underrated for me
Agree. Can watch that one again and again… it’s actually a really good, and pretty gritty Bond.
I prefer they debate The Spy Who Loved Me because David got that number 13 while Calvin got it at number 4. Calvin would win that debate easily
Looking forward to #18 (1997) being debated or "discussed" on The Bond Experience channel - or perhaps on the next next one on this channel; it is a loose re-make of You Only Live Twice, an entry _defended_ by Calvin (and challenged by David).
For sure underrated
You got your wish
Great discussion, gentlemen! The thing I love about the invisible car is that when Q first reveals it to Bond, it's one of the only times when Bond is legitimately impressed with one of Q's gadgets. The way Brosnan says, "Oh, very good!" is really nice.
Bond never called Q by that name until said impression, too.
I was really hoping these debates just turned into discussions! Perfect evolution
I do love the debate angle, but I love this just as much, I just want to watch these 2 fine gentlemen talk about Bond!
@@cookiesontoast9981 I'm seeing you all over the place! You must get as much Bond recommend videos as me 😂
This one will always hold a special place in my memories as the first movie I took a girl out on a date to see.
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It was incredibly awkward and we pretty much never spoke again so that’s what this movie is to me 😅😂😆
I’ve come to the conclusion that Die Another Day might be my favourite Bond film. Not because of a rational rating system or because I’ve studied each and every scene but just because when I sit down and watch the film I’m thoroughly entertained. Action sequences are nice, some moments are just laughable, some other are thrilling. Brosnan still is my favourite Bond, delightfully traditional. Overall, I keep feeling intense emotions when watching it, it’s not a bland film. And I have to say I adore the title sequence although not the biggest fan of Madonna in general. There’s something about the chopped up strings man… something’s there.
100% Agreed!
Thanks for the heartwarming discussion gentlemen! I reckon it will soon be fashionable to say that you love Die Another Day. (It’s been one of my favourite Bond films for ages simply because it’s such a blast - I actually watched it as post-breakup therapy, which always helps.)
“I quite like this film when people aren’t talking” - Calvin always makes me laugh 😂😂
DAD really started getting slated after CR came out.
The origin story & Craig's serious approach was the best thing since sliced bread.
It's insane how Die Another Day and Casino Royale are completely opposite. You'd think they came from different planets but they're consecutive films in the same series, four years apart, with the same writers to boot.
I really enjoy this film and never get bored watching it. I loved Pierce as 007 and how David Arnold gave him a distinctive sound with that glorious brass.
Admittedly some of the CGI is ropey but the Aston is one of the most beautiful cars ever made and hearing that engine roar is biblical.
I also love the bit with the wheelchair, "No? *SMACK* "You do now." Halle Berry is stunning and John Cleese is funny too.
I remember being very disappointed seeing it in the cinema, because it's like... it feels like it could have been good but there's so many elements that really grind against me, particularly the bad CGI scenes. It's definitely a movie you do just have to let wash over you, and there are definitely times when I am very much in the mood for Die Another Day for that reason - it can be a good bit of nonsense fun. It's like those low budget horror films that are so bad they're simply fun to watch; you don't watch them if you actually want horror, but if you want a good time they're there. DAD is in the same vein, if you want a proper Bond film, give it a miss, but if you want a good bit of fun cosplayed as 007 then this movie is perfect for that mood.
I still love this movie I was 21 when I saw it, now I’m 40 and its still a dumb fun movie bond sword fighting and fighting on a plane that’s falling to bits. I love it bond needs the gadgets back like he had in this but yes the invisible car was a step to far.
Calvin and David, you have got to keep these debates going, even if you run out of specific Bond movies. As someone commented on your 'Dr. No' debate, you could cover 'What If's' about the Bond franchise, or the novels, or just anything so that we get more of these....
Brosnan really deserved better. You can see it after his shave in the hotel room. "What am I doing?" Great job Calvin and David.
I have always believed Pierce Brosnan was a great Bond. He just drew the short straw for the movies and writers he was given.
I think he was three for four with one home run (TND).
@@huskerjpg Best Bond ever imo and I can still just about remember Moore replacing Connery
@@huskerjpg Agree with all of that. And Tomorrow Never Dies is better than GoldenEye.
For the villain trio in the film, I always think of arrested development with the magicians went they pose. It’s a complete, “take us seriously” moment when the three of them pose. 😂
James Bond fights anime villains
I maybe the ONLY Bond fan who adores Die Another Day, it’s my all time favourite Bond film .
It was the first Bond film I saw at the pictures when I was 15 years old and it holds a special place in my heart.
I don’t care what anyone thinks, call me what you will but that will not change my opinion.
The film gets slated way too much by everyone and I just don’t understand why the hate ?
Yes the cgi is terrible and hasn’t aged well also the tsunami scene is bad but everything else in the film is brilliant from the set design, fashion, action sequences, soundtrack.
Wish Pierce had one last chance as Bond in the film series but the closest we got was the amazing 2004 video game Everything Or Nothing.
I always loved Rosamund Pike and her performance in this film.
This is a guilty pleasure movie for me. One missed problem: What happened to Jinx's abdominal wound from Frost on the plane? By the end there isn't a scratch on her.
I need to watch it again - though not _too_ soon in the future (over the weekend, saw it when an ad-supported film channel aired it as part of the Pierce Brosnan-era 007 marathon; saw only the knife fight scene and skipped the end, which should show at least the bandages on her abdomen) 🗡
And why was Miranda wearing a sports bra as a top, exposing her stomach to a sword? Ah, 2002...
First bond movie I saw in theaters age 7 and I thought it was the greatest movie ever. Of course it’s dated now but it’s sort of wacky yet the opening sequence, ice theme and the coolest car chase when he flips over the rocket is still fun. I still believe Brosnan deserved more something stylish and with class.
"oh look, parachutes for the both of us"
throws one out the window
"whoops, not anymore!"
I dont know why, but the delivery of that line is hilarious, also in defense of this movie, i think it's the most relevant because of the situation with North Korea, and i think that was an interesting way to go to be honest
With anything that even resembled a decent line Toby Stephens delivered it well. He could have been a great villain in another Bond film - he just ended up in the wrong one. Imagine him as a slightly less muted Dominic Greene, for instance. Or maybe even as C in Spectre?
My first bond in the cinema was Goldeneye, amazing experience (and I agree with other sentiment here, Brosnan was a suave feel-good bond, you left with a new confidence in your walk and head held high, Craig is amazing but you leave looking for a phone to call a help line!)
BUT Die Another Day was mortifying for me, a fresher at uni, I took two JYA Americans who (shock-horror) had NEVER seen a Bond, I promised them it was a quintessential British, epic, experience and they were sure to love it, we couldn’t get in till midnight, I said “it’ll be worth the wait”… I spent the tube home apologising profusely for having wasted their time…
And mentioning it in the same conversation as A View To A Kill is an offence to A View To A Kill…
It's honestly been one of my favorites, ever since the first time I saw it.
I've literally never hated this movie.
Die Another Day feels like it's a live action James Bond Jr movie, although of course Brosnan is no high schooler. It's silly, very much wouldn't be out of place in the later Fast and Furious sequels. I do like Brosnan in it, but his dialogue is very Dr Magoo, in some ways.
The fact that Michael and Barbara wanted Michael Apted back to direct has always made me wonder how this movie would have looked with him at the helm. According to Apted, he accepted their offer but MGM overruled them.
That makes sense in that the film always looked like Eon had started to lose a bit of control, and the studio ramped up the 40th anniversary/nods to previous films aspect too much. The film has a designed by committee feel to it, as opposed to the more Eon-guided other films. It veers more towards “big blockbuster” than “true to Fleming”. Even the Eon influence had a spectrum to it though, with FRWL, OHMSS and LTK to my mind more on the “true to Fleming”end of the spectrum, and MR, TSWLM, YOLT at the “Eon spectacular production” end of the spectrum. DAD falls off the end of the spectrum at the Eon end, into the waiting hands of MGM, who picked it up and ran with it.
Casino Royale always seemed to me to be Barbara and Michael having had enough, putting their foot down, and telling MGM the films are going to be done their way again.
@@BungleBare Agreed. If I recall Kirk Kerkorian was trying to sell MGM in 2002 which suggests the studio needed a big hit that year to interest buyers. So they tried putting their input on the creative process.
Probably would have had more focus on the 'drama' aspects [like Bond's betrayal] and less of the 'John Woo'/Matrix slow mo and OTT action which would have been better.
@@jamesatkinsonja that editing makes it SOO outdated
I remember listening to a podcast a while back where Purvis and Wade talk about their time writing Bond (I think they weren’t coming back for the next one) and they talk about this movie and said that they originally wrote Bond to use a straight razor and then were asked to changed it when Phillips came on board. Also their Aston Martin wasn’t invisible.
That's interesting. We can usually only speculate who wrote what given the multiple writers. Given this is the only Bond where there the solo writer it's interesting that even then outside factors are altering the script [such as product placement].
Moonraker was popular and massive success on release then hated for years and now is nostalgically loved
I predict the same for this film
Things look better as time goes on because nostalgia is a comfort part of our brains
Moonraker was also followed by a (relatively) more down-to-Earth film (pun intended), in the same way that YOLT was. DAD just follows the usual pattern of increasing silliness in Bond films until Eon rein it all back in again in the next one.
Much as I don’t rate DAD highly, it’s existence led to CR. For that reason alone I’m glad DAD was made.
Agreed
Why dont you debate The Spy Who Loved Me with David, Calvin? He ranked that film number 13 on his all time list while you Calvin, ranked this number 4. Make it happen Calvin, please especially considering that The Spy Who Loved Me is my favorite 007 film of all time.
It’s my fourth favorite!
The spy who loved me was trash. It doesn't deserve its own video
@@dread1262 What? Trash? Are you serious?
It's fourth for me, right behind On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Where you drinking?
Thanks for mentioning that Havana wasn't filmed in Cuba... When I went to Cadiz in Spain (where the film was actually shot) I had a real deja vu moment and had no idea why. You've finally solved that mystery to me!
The issue with the invisible car is that it isn't applied consistently throughout the film. For example, during the film, he hides behind the invisible car. However, based on how it works (that it projects what's behind it to the other side), him hiding behind it would literally show himself to the other side.
This film is a whole lot of silly fun! Sometimes this is what I want from a Bond film and it's perfect for that kind of mood. I also have a soft spot for it as it's the first one that I remember seeing at the cinemas... apparently my parents took me to see Tomorrow Never Dies with them as a 3 year old and I obviously don't remember that, and I missed out on seeing TWINE a couple of years later.
I remember Halle Berry was hot after her Oscar winning performance in Monster's Ball which was directed by Marc Forster - the future Quantum of Solace director. He’s guilty of the stylised edit even in the explicit love scenes in that movie. There were also plans to do Jinx spin-off movie around that time. I watched the movie in theatre back then and I enjoyed it - typical summer blockbuster. Never knew they were going to let go off Pierce Brosnan after this because I think it was the highest grossing Bond movie at the time. I liked the theme song as well - Madonna was in her techno phase at the time. I also remember that Bond was thought as a wimp compared to Jason Bourne or XXX at that time which is why they went in the direction of Casino Royale but eventually people were missing the James Bond tropes that they brought it back gradually in the Craig movies. Die Another Day gets 3 out of 5 martini cocktails 🍸🍸🍸
Die Another Day starts out interestingly enough, with Bond getting captured in North Korea. But then almost becomes self parody with invisible cars, and kite surfing on a CGI wave which even Pierce Brosnan made fun of.
Then everyone went "Oh Bond is just copying Bourne now."
Do you REALLY think the series would have survived if it had continued in the same vein as DAD?
For your next “debate,” I think you guys should tackle “The Man With the Golden Gun.” I could see it being similar to this, where you each have to pick out different moments that work and don’t work.
Can’t tell you how big and important Nightfire was for me. Such a goooood and underrated Bond game.
Bloodstone is a better Bond story than the last three movies.
@@TheWaynos73 Given it lacks a central villain [presumably Quantum/Mr White but never said in the game] I can't agree with that [especially compared to Skyfall]. It reminds me of Quantum in that it knows where it's going but is unsure of how to get there. Joss Stone's character was pretty good in fairness [Denise Richards as an It Girl/model would have made more sense than a nuclear scientist].
Everything or Nothing is the most underrated Bond movie and it surpasses Goldeneye. I don't care what anyone says.
I felt that the song was absolutely great and automatically at the time I interpreted the lyrics totally in line with what Bond was going through in his 14 months of captivity and torture ... I assumed it was about him choosing to go on even though it would feel better to end it all, having to shut his body down, suspend his sense, he's paying for his sins, etc, plus the constant the threat of execution yet choosing to live, not just exist nonetheless. I never thought to interpret it any other way!!
I think you two are absolutely brilliant by the way… I love when a new video from either of you, or even better, together pops up! Please keep them coming!
Love these discussions from you both!
Any chance we could get a three way (oo-er!) with you both and Joe having a lengthy discussion on NTTD?
Omg I literally started watching your debates like 2 days ago and binged them and was like "they need to do one on Die Another Day" because I remember David said he liked 75% of it! Can't wait for more!
This is the only Bond film I can’t bring myself to watch again
This was Brosnan's last. At least his Bond didn't get killed off 🙄
That to me is a big pro right there.
Wasn't supposed to be his last [he even said he'd signed for another in the 40th anniversary tv special] and Brosnan has come out hard against this film in recent years [including laughing his head off at the windsurfing scene in the Everything or nothing documentary]. He wanted to do more dark stuff, hence why he was interested in the Tarantino Casino Royale idea.
Wow that opening!! Calvin knows how to hit me right in the feels with that nostalgia high with my Bond childhood of playing Nightfire everymorning with my friend.
I'm a recent arrival to your superb channel, so I just want to say that your reviews are clever and thoughtful but also at times, hilarious. I've binged on this for the last couple of weeks and you always make me laugh out loud as well as brilliantly highlighting the pros and cons of our wonderful Bond series. Thank you!
the beginning of this movie puts so many strong and interesting ideas on the table, especially for Brosnans character arc, its so frustrating they dont follow through in the latter part of the movie. one of the darkest PCS, with a great set up to have Brosnan`s emotionally-closed off Bond try to fall back on his usual coping mechanisms (e.g. casual sex, a shave and a good suit) and have them fail because 14months of torture is a greater trauma than he`s used to brushing off; its the 1st sex scene in a Bond movie, which shows Bond more vulnerable/exposed than his usual pre/post-sex scenes (but they squander the scene with a fig gag); and the invisible car is absolutely a gadget that would come from Q branch and i think it gets hate because the kite-surfing scene overshadows so much of the CGI used in the movie. I love how they point out that the invisible car tech is sensitive and therefore malfunctions when shot at, cause its always good to point out that Bond is a hero cause he`s good at his job, not just because he has gadgets.
I enjoyed playing Nightfire and I enjoyed Die another Day, and was working in shop at time and after they finished with giant Cardboard cutout of Pierce Brosnan next to Die another Day DVD stand I took the cardboard cutout home with me with permission so I could have giant image of James Bond, my Cat Gizmo at the time didn’t like it.
What a lovely video from 2 people who know their Bond, great chat, thanks guys!
I think this could have been a great fluffy Bond flick if they didn’t have the crappy wave surfing scene, toned down the invisible car, and if they didn’t have the quick fast forward edits.
I still enjoy it for the most part. It was fun as fuk.
I have lots of memories about this one. After TWINE was my first Bond in cinema I followed the production news to DAD really closely by checking out every bit of information you could possibly get. Needless to say my expectations very high. The still photos from the set looked really promising, before they added all that cgi stuff and without the dialogue. So after I left the cinema with my late father I was terribly disappointed. Kudos to Brosnan who made the most out of it. I wonder how many „good“ takes were left out because Tamahori demanded a more over the top delivery. Better dialogue and a different director could have made the cast and plot into a great anniversary movie. It‘s a real shame Brosnan had to leave like this.
Btw: I wonder if the „only a fleshwound“ line after the virtual reality scene was a conscious nod to John Cleese? I just realized that after seeing the movie in english for the first time!
There's two nods to Cleese. One is the flesh wound quip, the other is as he walks behind the invisible car and his legs get distorted, that's visually representative of his "Ministry of Silly Walks"
DAD has a pretty good first 2/3rds followed by a horrendous final act, but I guess that’s what I said about NTTD too… so to borrow an overused phrase from the Craig era, maybe “we’re not so different, you and I”
I would say it had a good first act a meh second act, and then a horrible third act.
You two talking bond is one of the best things on UA-cam! Keep the series going! I genuinely almost had a spit take when David did the 5 year old Serbian Calvin impression
Great discussion.. I hope one day you guys will do a fan meet up in London.
I don't know if you've seen John Wick 3 Calvin, but that was proof that Halle Berry could have worked with a better script and direction, her and Reeves were phenomenal in their big action sequence
To be fair, there’s a 17 year gap between those two films…. Half her life later she is a different person with different experiences. (Also to be in a John Wick film demands that level of performance)
I don’t disagree with you, I just think it’s not a fair comparison.
I think the idea of M being mad at Bond is actually interesting, because at the time, it had appeared he had broken and talked, forcing the prisoner trade. But they never leaned in to M feeling a sense of betrayal to go along with that anger, which I think is what really made that not work.
Watching from Trinidad in the Caribbean. Actually I am one of the few fans of and defenders of this film. It is one of my favorites!
So happy and excited for this video while I watch the opening!
DAD was my first Bond in the theater, and I was only 11 when it came out so maybe that's why I'm so soft on it. I fully recognize that its objectively a pretty terrible movie in a lot of areas, but as long as you go into it expecting dumb fun you will have a good time with it. There are some genuinely good moments in it though too. The movie just goes a bit too wacky and comic booky towards the end.
GE is tied with Majesties as my favorite Bond film. I love TND, and TWINE. But this is the low film for Brosnan. But I love Brosnan as Bond. I love The whole hotel scenes, the hovercraft chase through the DMZ is really incredible. love Will Yun Lee as the villian early. Paloma is what Jinx should have been. But the cheeky goofy wind surfing, and Jinx left me eh. I felt the change of looks was weird, I would have loved Yun Lee all film. Bond though using ejector on the Aston is really cool here.
Saved by the bell, was a laugh fest in theater. That was a funny line, I mean the bell is there, I mean, come on. I’ll take Madonnas song over, Quantum or Spectre song.
Ilsa in Mission Impossible 5 was also a much better attempt at a Jinx like character and as you say Paloma's attempts at humour were actually funny. I'd take Madonna over Quantum or Spectre too!
I personally loved the bell comment and other lines
I needed this after just watching no time to die....a pallet cleanser
Indeed, an amuse bouche after NTTD took a giant dump in our mouths.
I'd rather watch an actual good film than this any day. The windsurfing scene even got pierce giggling at how bad it was on the official documentary.
You guys talking about Bond is great. Keep them coming even if you discuss movies you agree about, just great to listen in on a knowledgable dissection of the movies.
I think I like Die Another Day a little more now after seeing No Time To Die. Well, at least its happy ending.
Happy does not necessarily mean better given that there having sex on top of conflict diamonds [i.e. people died in the process of making them] and they don't seem to care. At least NTTD was powerful and meant something.
Yeah, the Craig timeline has made me nostalgic for when Bond was simple escapist fun. And this is coming from someone who adores Casino Royale and Quantum! I have steadily soured on the rest of Craig's tenure largely due to the influence of Sam Mendes; transitioning from more intelligent action thrillers to bloated, melodramatic soap operas. I'll take an invisible car over that schmaltz any day of the week!
@@jamesatkinsonja I didn’t say it was better. It’s just my opinion. I like happy endings.
@@stuffedsheepshead I loved Skyfall but I get what you’re saying. They doubled down way too much on the emotional storytelling.
@@brucecrawford4948 Fair enough
I love these videos, and I wish I had someone to have these conversations with. I guess this will have to suffice. Great work as always!
I just watched this last night and today you’re posting this video. Sweet.
I remember leaving the movie theatre (I saw it on vacation to the States) thinking it was very reminiscent to a Dr Who anniversary special. Sure, we didn't see Connery, Moore and co. return, but we did see the Fleming Bond with the scorpions torture at the beginning, right through to the Moore excesses with the ice palace and invisible car. And all the references with the Birds of the West Indies book, Jinx in the bikini, Gustav Graves and the Union Flag parachute, and many other nods to the past.
I liked it at the cinema and felt it was the perfect 40th anniversary film. But today, nah, I'm sorry, I'm not a fan.
Brosnan is a fine actor but he suffered through having to perform in below par Bond movies. He had potential to be a great Bond...had he had the advantage of great scripts and direction. Goldeneye was good but this movie could have been the start of great movies to follow.
Let’s be serious. Goldeneye is one of the greatest Bond films of all time. And Pierce Brosnan’s 4 Bond films are better than all of Timothy Dalton’s and half of Roger Moore’s films. Pierce Brosnan certainly hits the mark as a great James Bond.
@@ohroonokoDalton's Bond films are better then the later Brosnan Movies. Goldeneye kept the same energy as from the Living Daylights and bits from Licence to Kill. By the time of Die Another Day the audience is back into the camp of the Moore Era.
A change was needed and Casino Royale was a fresh air.
@@eramos8916 After rewatching the entire Bond collection, I rank Living Daylights in the Top 10 ahead of Brosnan's last 3 films but I still like Goldeneye better. License to Kill remains the absolute worst Bond film for me. It has the cheesiest pre credit scene, a horrible premise (raping a bride, feeding the groom's legs to sharks, wtaf), the dullest locations, villains and Bond girls, non-Bond themes (pure revenge on a drug cartel), the worst Bond car (a Lincoln Towncar?), I can go on and on. It was so bad I forgot that Living Daylights was pretty good. He was pretty charming in LD, and that was all wasted in LTK. He was supposed to do a third film and would have been great in Goldeneye or Tomorrow Never Dies.
Incredible, that 2 Bond fants for entire hour are actually praising DAD. I am huge fan of the movie myself, glad that finally it starts to get the love it deserves!
I had that Phillips shaver but I didn’t realize it was in this movie. I did purchase an Omega Seamster 300M Professional back in 2000 after watching Tomorrow Never Dies on DVD thanks to this movie. I first noticed a coworker wearing the watch and admired it, but had no idea it was a Bond watch until I got the DVD for Tomorrow Never Dies, and then I had to have it.
I just rewatched all the Brosnan films and enjoyed them all, even DAD. It's making me crave a return to simple, isolated spy adventures rather than the serialized Craig series. DAD is definitely the worst of PB's run as Bond, but it was promising right up until they get to Iceland. Overall I consider Die Another Day to be "best of the worst." I'd take it over any of the other "bottom tier" Bond films.
For me, the film loses all credibility the moment Graves parachutes into London. Before that there was one “really?!?” moment when Bond stopped his own heart, but if that had been the only such thing in the film I could have let it pass. Graves getting a knighthood after less than a couple of years in the public eye, and having literally no life before that (which any vaguely competent journalist could have uncovered) was the moment I realised zero attention was given to the plausibility of the script. Graves could have been believable - he just needed to be painted as a secretive billionaire, rather than a publicity hungry Richard Branson clone. All such logical reasoning was obviously thrown out of the window though, in favour of shoehorning in chances to give nods to past films - such as aping the parachute jump from the pre-titles of TSWLM.
I only re-watched it recently too. The very start is decent enough, it takes a nose dive after that. Brosnan is great as usual but the script is rough as hell, giving him terrible lines to say. The ice palace bit saving Jynx is a fun part but Jynx is such an awful character that I wish he had just left her to die.
The most under rated film in the franchise! A lot of fun
53:30 the General Moon's actor is Kenneth Tsang, a famous actor in Hong Kong
I hated this film from the first time that I saw it in theaters in 2002 as an 11 year old, die hard Bond fan. It was only the 2nd Bond movie that I had seen in theaters, and I remember thinking even then that Bond was over, that it had jumped the shark. Casino Royale was such a breath of fresh air. Bond walking into the hotel like he owns the place and Bond flipping the Aston back over are literally the only two moments in the film that I enjoy.
Now being that there are bad Bond films such as Diamonds are forever, or a view to a kill, Die another day, isn’t the worse but isn’t the best either. You have to remember that the style of the movie itself was the style of action movies back then especially if it’s a family friendly action movie.
It's very similar to Lara Croft [with Daniel Craig!], XXX and Mission Impossible 2 in its goofy tone.
Thank you very much on this beautiful interview i liked it so much
I asked for this video with you guys a couple of debates ago glad to see it.
I can't say if it's the worst of the Bond films, but it's definitely near the bottom. The first half is promising, and the fencing duel between Bond and Graves midway through is one of my favorite action sequences in the series. However, the film pretty much goes to hell in the second half, particularly when Bond makes his way to Iceland. What's particularly sad is that parts of the film was that you could see just how cheap a lot of it was, especially the CGI, which was pretty bad, even for early 2000's standards.
Most Bond films have at least one moment or element that you can point to and say "this is why I wanted to see this film." Even the weaker elements had a decent villain, Bond Girl or action sequence. Man with a Golden Gun and View to a Kill had great villains with Christopher Lee and Christopher Walken. Diamonds are Forever had a decent Connery performance and henchmen. I can't think of a single thing in DAD that makes the film rewatchable outside the Easter Egg references from the previous 19 films.
I thought the CGI was pretty bad back then too. The second half is a real 'jump the shark' moment and they had no choice but to go darker next time.
I love DAD. I think the majority of Bond fans hating it is just internet groupthink because everyone else supposedly hates it. It’s far better than the majority of the Roger Moore era and nothing in DAD is as bad as Jaws falling in love, the Tarzan yell, the Beach Boys snowboarding scene, I could go on. Even the invisible car was based on existing technology. Yeah the CGI is bad but so is the back projection from the 60s-80s films. Even comparing it to AVTAK is weird because to me, DAD is MILES better.
The movie is dumb as hell but it has enough redeeming qualities to keep it from being at the bottom of my ranking. No, the worst Bond film ever is Quantum of Solace.
First of all: big thank you to both David and Calvin for making videos like these. You are both such jewels (or should I say “diamonds”) of the Bond fan Community. Keep up the good work!
Ok, so like many of you I'm a big Bond fan. I'm such a big fan that I even got a 007 tattoo on my ankle. Therefore it always makes me a bit nervous to say this in a community full of Bond fans: Die Another Day is my favourite Bond movie.
And yes, for a large part that's because of nostalgia goggles. I became a bond fan in 2002. My father allowed me to watch parts of the older bond films but he thought I was still to young to see the newer ones because they were too violent (I was only six at the time). So when I did got to see it later, I became hooked instantly.
But nostalgia goggles aside, I think there are some marvelous scenes in this film: from the surfing to the dark atmosphere of North Korea, to the sword fight and the car sequence on the ice to name a few.
Also, ppl talk about the craig films showing a more "human" side of Bond and I obviously concur. However, DAD also shows a human side of Bond:
Even Bond can "fail" a mission. He gets caught and brutally tortured for 14 months. That's something that could happen to an actual spy. No fancy escape, no gadget that helps him out, no luck on his side (except for not getting murdered). He failed the mission because of a treason he wasn't aware of and he suffers the consequences for it. That's some nasty but brutal piece of reality.
And yes, I get that the plot is a bit farfetched, the dialogue is not always great and that the CGI does not make the movie any better to say the least.
But I never understood why this movie got so much shit. There are many other goofy Bond films with silly moments (Tarzan yell, anyone?). Yet ppl seem to accept those to a certain extent but when it comes to this movie it just gets a tsunami ( ;) ) full of hatred. I'm so annoyed by the fact that, when the James Bond social media posts anything DAD related, that the comments are swarmed with so much negativity.
But eh, to each his own of course. One of the nice things about this community is that there is a lot of content to discuss and a lot of people have different opinions. I just wish more people would enjoy DAD a little bit more, without just completeley bashing it to death each time lol.
Soooo this one has the distinction of being the first Bond film I got to watch at the Cinema too. My Grandad took me and we kept the tradition going right up to Spectre.
He passed away last year, the irony that the first one I’ll see without him being titled “No Time to Die” is not lost on me.