Hi everyone, Hope you enjoy this video with Sharath @building beautifully!. We used "North Sydney" and "Victoria Cross" interchangeably when referring to journey times to and from North Sydney. Some of the journey times by Sydney Trains do vary during the day, especially where interchanges are involved, so that did affect our timesaving estimates a little! Looking forward to hearing your comments!
I think it is worth mentioning that for example you have stated that it took you 13min to get to Crows Nest but it will take just 4min on the Metro, but you haven't factored in the time it will take to get from the platform to the station entrance. I'd suggest this will probably be 3-4 minutes depending on how busy it is so would definitely be a factor worth considering.
You're very welcome Sharath. It was a lot of fun, and there's been some wonderful feedback in the comments on our collaboration! - Yes, it will be fun to do another one on your channel!
There is no comparison between your two channels. Paul seems to focus on the specifics of train and metro construction whereas Sharath's channel is more general design issues and overall planning. both are fascinating.
Sharath has gotten a LOT of details and even some pretty basic things wrong in the past, obviously he is still relatively young and we all make mistakes but I remain often quite underwhelmed with Sharaths videos.
So the Metro is a real game changer particularly for those living further out from the city and want to get into the CBD. Thanks heaps guys - what a great duo!
a video of you two actually racing between the different modes once the Metro opens would be fun to watch. I also wonder whether if walking or taking the light rail between different points within the CBD may actually be quicker than metro once you factor in things like escalator travel.
Yes we could have some fun doing that! A race video comparing walking versus the L1 has been on my long list for a while. I also think L2/L3 between Circular Quay and Central versus running or cycling would be fun too!
@@TransportVlog Yess, but you will need 5 people (one cycle, one bus, one walk, one on sydney trains and another on the metro). Happy to part of it if you don't have the people.
This is a fun way to explain the advantages of Sydney Metro, and I think there's going to be a major shift towards Metro when it opens, which will benefit everyone. I enjoyed your "heads and tails" route selection with the new opal playing card, which I can see a possible "building beautifully" board game 🎲 on the horizon. Maybe even a "Transport Vlog" board game called "Collaboration Station." Both will be a fun way to explore Sydney Trains and Metro network 😀. Sharath asked us to say which channel we liked best, and my answer is to flip the Opal card and say to him," heads I win, tails,you lose." Excellent collaboration, and I think you are both "even steven" on this one.
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed our fun video, and our Opal card toss! There is already a card game called the "Train Game" which is quite fun to play! Great to know that you enjoy both our channels equally!
They dynamic duo does it again. Great video. The times savings are massive particularly if you can get to Sydenham from the south and Epping from the North. One thing you need to allow for also is getting out of Vic X Metro. It can take around 3 minutes from alighting the Metro to get to the surface.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Yes they certainly are. We didn't factor in the time it takes to get from the metro station entrances to the platforms, and for some of the stations such as Vic Cross and Martin Place, that will take 2 or 3 mins for sure!
Great comparison of travel times gives a good rundown of the new Sydney Metro line. Metro will be good for short journeys but not so much for longer commutes.
Nice collab. On the shorter journeys (eg. Crows Nest to Victoria Cross) you also really need to add the significant time (2-3 minutes each) and walking distance to get to and from platfom level. So some might prefer the bus. Borh YTers are very different styles. But Paul wins because he doesnt wear a tattered Wallabies cap :-)
Thanks Mark. Yes that's right. Might be worth doing some of these races again after the line opens. Metro v Bus from Crows Nest to Vic Cross would be an interesting one for sure! He He! I usually wear a railway related cap in the summer months!
Great to see the collab guys. Can't wait for the metro to open, thanks for a very interesting in depth view of the connections currently compared to when the metro opens.
Seeing both of you working together is great. Thanks so much for your informative vids for those of us who live outside the city but visit regularly from regional centres...Joni.
You're very welcome Joni. Yes we know that people outside of Sydney (and Australia) enjoy watching our videos, and it helps keep them up to date with what is happening.
It might also be interesting exploring how the metro can improve travel times for people transferring from bus routes (instead of catching the bus all the way into the city). There has been a bit of uproar around some services (115, 252 and 261) terminating at north Sydney once the metro opens.
this might actually make me visit the city more often. jumping on one train from the hills with no changing is a major bonus even if the time savings will be minimal compared to changing at epping to go via strathfield.
And also the new extension of Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Sydenham via Crows Nest has now connected commuters of north west Sydney to the rest of Australia by rail at Central allowing connections with XPT and Xplorer trains to Armidale, Moree, Grafton, Casino, Brisbane, Perth, Griffith, Canberra, Broken Hill, Dubbo and Melbourne
The Line between Waverton and St Leonards could have been constructed straighter, but it then would have had gradients too steep for the 1890s steam trains to handle.
Really looking forward to the City Metro extension opening. I live near Wollongong and at the moment it can take anywhere up to three hours to get to Chatswood via bus and train. Once the extension opens it'll only take two hours.
The 293 Runs Between Marsfield and the City as it goes along Epping Road. I think the Solution for the 293 is to Extend it to Epping to avoid Duplication with the 292 and 551. My Proposal is to Extend the 293 to Epping Station on Cambridge Street. With that, the 293 Will Instead Terminate at North Sydney Station. The 293 is an Express Bus that only runs in the Peak, The 293 follows Epping Road bypassing Macquarie Centre and to the Lane Cove Tunnel. Since Buses Pay Toll Roads, the 293 Will avoid the Lane Cove Tunnel to avoid Interference with the Hills BRT. The 293 will follow Epping Road to the Gore Hill Freeway and continue on the Freeway to Pacific Highway where it will Terminate at North Sydney. This will help connect between Stations. It will free up services on the 292. It will Replace the 290 Bus Route that goes via North Sydney to the City. That will be the Best Solution Because most people at Marsfield take the 292 to Macquarie University and take the Metro to the City. We should have the 293 running 24 Hours a Day between Epping and North Sydney so that people who live on Epping Road or walk to Epping Road to take the Bus will need to Transfer at North Sydney. It is Cheaper and Easier. It will help connect people to the Train Line. The Services will be Increased in Peak.
Thanks for your video. The comparing the trip by train from Chatswood to Wynyard currently 17 minutes per timetable with 6 stops compared to the Metro from Chatswood to Barangaroo with 2 stops and the Barangaroo stop in the middle of nowhere 9 minutes. By the time you get to Wynyard very similar. Difficult to compare correctly as different number of stops, and different ending points.
Hi Wayne, Glad you enjoyed it. Yes Barangaroo and Wynyard are difficult to compare, as it depends on where you're heading too, and which station you're coming from. I will do a timed walk from the Barangaroo South towers to both the Barangaroo and Wynyard Platforms to compare once the metro opens.
Great video as always you both! Can we get some insights into the Future extensions into south-west metro? I’m keen to know more about the Airport-Leppington-Glenfield extension! Also it would be great if the metro created a circular line connecting the north-west to the south-west! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! The Airport-Leppington-Glenfield extension is still in the planning stages, and I think it will be a few years before we see work on this starting. Same goes for the extension from St Marys to Tallawong. There isn't as much money available now as there was a few years ago, so I think we're going to see less new lines being approved for a while.
@@TransportVlog Thanks Paul for the insights! Unfortunately we at the mercy of the ministers unlike Singapore. Whilst getting these essential infrastructure underway is the right step in the right direction, I’m afraid it’s not enough to build a robust and sensible one! My point being when developing something don’t do it in bits and pieces make something that really connects the greater Sydney. This is why the Govt has no business being in Business! They should just make policies period. 😄
Sydenham might be one of Sydney Cross Platform Interchanges. Platform 1 and 6 has no Island Platfprm while platform 2, 3, 4 and 5 does. If you go from East Hills to the City Via T8 Express. You can get off at Sydenham to Cross the Platform to Platform 2 to go to the City (Later to Bankstown). If you're on the T4 at Tempe and you want to go to Glenfield, Get off at Sydenham Platform 5 and go to Platform 4 to get the T8 to Glenfield as T8 Express will go Via Sydenham After Metro Opens. Sydenham might be one of the Stations in Sydney that has Cross Platform Interchanges.
Yeah, I can see a lot more interchanges happening at Sydenham. It's going to be really interesting to see what happens between 4th August & Oct when the Bankstown trains & Metro are running in conjunction before they shut the Bankstown line down. And then subsequently next year when its completed and we go full Metro.
Apparently I've heard from many sources East Hills via Sydenham will be permanently cancelled in 2025, so the timetable after. Under more trains more services there will be 12tph from Campbelltown (+2 from current timetable) 6tph from Revesby (+2) whilst the airport line will increase from 10-18tph (+8). So it will absorb the +4 that will be additional services and +4 that currently go via Sydenham will be diverted via the airport. East Hills passengers can still access all stations via an interchange at Wolli Creek. So St Peters and Erko will move to East Hills line for one year, after the Bankstown line metro extension opens it will move to Eastern Suburbs line as East Hills trains will no longer stop at Sydenham
@@TomHommus I heard something where express and SCO trains will use the (forgot the name of the tracks, but its doesn't have platforms at wolli creek), express or something.... so all stops to hurstville will use the tracks with the platforms at wolli creek and all express will stop at sydenham instead. So i reckon the all stoppers to hurstville will stop at erko and st peters and express will remain the usual self (with sydenham being the express stop rather than wolli creek). And i guess the inner circle of the city circle will be purely T8 lines from central and its will spurt out as split services of ether T2 or whatnot. And all outer city circle trains will come from redfern and all will spit to the T8 to the airport right?
Paul is my absolute favourite, he is definitely more focussed on the facts and providing information for viewers to form their own informed opinion… met him on Friday and we chatted for ages about rollingstock 😊 Shareth has style, but he has released some shock jock videos that don’t make much engineering sense, as much as they are entertaining.
I don't buy that arguement that the overhead supply limits the T4 to tangaras that Sydney Rail spins. In the old days we had multiple electric 86 class locos hauling coal trains up Como Bank - I would have thought that that would have exceeded maybe 10 commuter trains in itself.
Both of those things can be true. Probably they upgraded the power supply on Como Bank because of the freight. No 86 class hauling heavy loads to Bondi Junction though, then or now. I have no idea what the current situation is regarding traction power, apart from the fact that they built a new substation (the Chalmers St Substation Project) that supplies power to the Eastern Suburbs Line (and Central to Wynyard, City Circle). They have been doing a lot of power supply upgrades.
Passenger metro trains are very power hungry. Many MW are required for the rapid acceleration for around 30 seconds. Generally, freights accelerate much more slowly so the MW capacity is not needed. It does seem counter intuitive, but passenger trains need higher peak power. Energy is a different matter….
Its the Eastern Suburbs Railway that limits the T4 in peak not the Illawarra Line, also there are WAY WAY more trains running around now on the network than there were back then.
When this opens I am going from Castle Hill to Martin Place, and change to Hurstville once a week. Beats driving for >1 hour in heavy traffic. Taking bus via M2 to the city is nearly 1 hour
The CCN From Epping to Central Takes 25 Minutes. T9 Only Does Express during Peak Hour only on Weekdays and that takes the same time as Metro as 30 Minutes. The T9 Local Takes 36 Minutes from Epping to Central.
I feel its will be varable to where your planted in the cbd tho. Central, you will still use the CCN express (or even just a random ass coin toss between metro or T9 local). For wynard or town hall, metro will be the pick.
Gents, thank you for the video .Have found both of your channels usually very interesting. I like the time savings demonstrated by your trip. I do feel the comparison are a bit off considering you are comparing a system that has been built up over the years to one with modern technology with very little human interface. I made the trip to Tallawong a short time ago and found it uninspiring, with nothing overly exciting about the overground portion and none of underground stations screaming "get off here there's something interesting here". I do plan to travel on the extension a little while after it is opened If only to duck across to the "General Gordon" at Sydenham for a refreshing ale and to duck into ARHS at Waterloo for a look around. Not in that order.
Hi Jamie, glad you enjoyed this video. Yes technology has changed a lot over the years, especially tunnelling technology and signalling. I think you'll enjoy the new stations. Each one is quite unique, and Waterloo is super close to the ARHS!
Now both of you gotta do it (also add 3 people and probs I can be one of them haha) once the new cbd metro open..... with one person doing metro and another doing sydney trains lol..... or maybe a 5 way, 1 does bus, 1 does metro, 1 does trains, 1 one does light rail and last person can use ebike or scooter.
Catch from Wynard to North Ryde via changing over at Chatswood so i kinda go against peak usage. i cant WAIT until this opens next month! 😁Will save me so much time each day
They should’ve extended the excellent Monorail system to the North and west of you ask me. If it’s good enough for Springfield and Vegas it’s good enough for Sydney, baby!
Really curious how this is going to pan out because I travel from Castle Hill but work at Wynyard. You really can't beat the convenience of travelling from Chatswood to Wynyard on the train right now, but if the metro will be that much faster even if I have to alight at Barangaroo and walk...
Hi Barney, I think Martin Place will be the closer station for the Wynyard area. It depends where your office is located. I guess you'll have to try both and see which is quicker for you.
When the Metro starts running all the way to Bankstown, I assume that Erskineville and St Peters Stations will be serviced by those Illawarra Line trains which presently usually don't stop there. That will slightly increase the travel times for some services on that Line. Interesting fact about St Peters Station: Although the Sydney trams on the "green lines" (Inner south-west) through Newtown closed in September 1957, trams still ran to St Peters Station via the (then still open) Eastern Suburbs system from Redfern via Alexandria until 1959.
Erskineville and St Peters stations are actually going to be served by the T8! The Macarthur trains are going to be rerouted via Sydenham and stop at these stations. Thanks for the interesting fact about St Peters Station!
@@TransportVlogThey’re going to be serviced by the T8 for around a year, with transfer to the T4 line to be done in 2025. I guess the change from T8 to T4 for St Peters and Erskineville will be after both the Sydenham to Bankstown extension of the M1 line (the Metro line’s new number) and the realignment of tracks for SCO intercity services to use Illawarra locals instead of Illawarra mains from Central to Hurstville. It’s not sure yet where those T8 services will terminate, but that route in the peak currently tends to terminate at Campbelltown instead of Macarthur.
You both have excellent UA-cam sites. This combined episode is somewhat rediculous. The Metro is not a duplication as it routes to new sites that reduce walking time and train crowding. We should be impressed with the politicians who pushed the project through at immense expense but even higher value to the community. Transport NSW should be congratulated on the parts it played and still does. This praise was last offered to all parties involved in the Sydney Olympics.
Thanks Douglas, that's right, and that's the reason we included examples of time savings from other destinations. Crows Nest, Barangaroo and Waterloo serve new areas, so by definition are going to be much quicker than the equivalent journey by existing trains and buses.
It's great when your destination is along the route to or from the CBD. Unfortunately, I'd still have to drive if i want to go from Macquarie Park to Bankstown.
Only 8 more years until they open the Metro West line, with my nearest station only a 40 minute walk away from me or any train station, eating any possible time gains.
That's interesting to hear Paul that the Metro will get people onto the city quicker than the normal train with the Driver. I would wonder how long it will take for the people That live along the Bankstown Line once the Line gets converted to Sydney metro it would take to get the people living along the Bankstown Line getting into the city once it been converted to Sydney metro?
Hi Peter, its going to be quicker than now for 3 reasons. Firstly, the trains will have faster acceleration and deceleration, and hopefully the line will have a faster top speed too. Secondly, the frequency will be much better, with a train every 4 mins in the peak, so less waiting time. Thirdly, the time from Sydenham to Central is just 7 mins, compared 10 mins on the T3.
The big disappointment is that the metro won't deliver broader savings to the lower north shore, northern beaches and inner south because of the lack of decent bus and light rail connections at Crows Nest, Victoria X, and Waterloo.
I think we need to get rid of many northern beaches services off the miltary or spit rd (for at least anything north of narrabeen). If i were the government, i would like to see an experiment with the 190x of doing the usual avalon to narrabeen all stops and then rather than to go via dee why and usual route, its will get sent via frenches forest (following route 270) and express to cbd. Also maybe an promotion of the 160x to chatswood. I think if labor didn't can the northern beaches road tunnel, I would like to see some kind of conversion of the old tram lines (which is one bus southbound and other is car), to be converted into a pure busway (current bus southbound will be northbound and the car lane will be southbound, with a larger barrier so no crashes and the old platform 1-2 of wynard gets converted into a bus port, bit like bondi jct bus port). Cahill expressway get converted to some green roof or whatnot. But for that to work, the western harbor tunnel needs to exist. I think even without the northern beaches tunnel, the busway can still somewhat work. Also a station can happen on the busway in north sydney somewhere and a bridge to lead buses to the right side of the road as well.
I reckon bus services around the metro stations will improve over time. There are some changes from day 1, and bus stops will be closer to the new stations than they are now.
That's right @petertullemans. In the more high densely populated parts of Sydney, its much better use of space to have residential and/or commercial developments instead of car parks.
Will be dependent where your destination is. If you want to get to central.. stay on the CCN train.. but if you want to get to Wynyard or North Sydney the metro might be quicker or the same time.
@@fittipaldi7326 Something that needs to be in the equation is how long morning peak CCN trains take from Strathfield to Central. At least the train I catch regularly takes much longer than say a T1 express from Penrith, even though there's an extra stop at Redfern. I haven't worked out if the CCN delay is timetabled or if it just regularly arrives at Central late. But honestly, it takes so long, it could easily stop at Burwood, Ashfield and Redfern and still make the same time.
The new extension will be great but as many have pointed out: It might be TOO fast - the distance between stations is way too long on most sections. If there would be more stations it would still be faster than today, but many more places would get metro access. This is even worse for the Metro West
Hi Nicolas, there are some gaps, eg Castle Hill to Cherrybrook and North Ryde to Chatswood, but most stations are 2 or 3 minutes apart which is similar to most metro systems around the world. Its likely that Metro West will now have 1, possibly 2 new stations between Parramatta and Sydney Olympic Park, and I'm really hoping that happens!
@@TransportVlogThe long gap is Cherrybrook to Epping, around 6-7 mins long to traverse. Cherrybrook to Castle Hill is much shorter than that. Waterloo to Sydenham is another gap that’s around 5 mins long.
Good video you both made. I will still tap on with Trains driven by humans, and supporting jobs for Guards, Drivers, and the Station staff. To me it Doesn't matter if its slower because the trains are double decked and harder to unload, and the lines have more stops, I will still always support the Men and Women working. The metro should be using the Tranport NSW voice by Taylor Owynns for the Door opening sound. And it should be "Doors opening please stand clear" not that other robotic crap. The metro shouldn't be on a long line if the trains don't support it. A metro if for short populated distances, not long ones like it is. Thats why the T Sets are amazing, you can actually sit down in comfort. There obviously weren't enough strikes because now we will see a bye bye to our T sets, bye bye to the jobs of hundreds. All so the lines can be converted to this Metro crap. We didn't need a war against our Train staff, we already have one in our buses after the state privitised everything. The metro marks the beginning of a slow process to wipe out humans from our transport, and also our fleet of reliable,Australian made trains ,and replace them with some stupid computerised crap ( made overseas ). Goodluck.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes I'm not a fan of the robotic voices! No drivers or guards are losing their jobs because of the metro. The drivers and guards on the T3 will be redeployed on the T2 and T8 along with the Waratah trains. T sets will be around for at least another 10 years, which is why they are being refurbished.
Hi Paul and Sharath, thanks for an excellent video. It is a pity that the trams no longer run, as you would have caught a tram from Crows Nest in the old days. I subscribe to both your UA-cam channels and enjoy them equally. Just a question, how do you manage the distant videos of yourselves? I am thinking of you planting cameras all over the place at the moment!!! Anyway, take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Glad you enjoyed it Rob. We put my phone on a small tripod for the distant clips, and hoped that no one would walk with it whilst we were filming! Its something that Geoff Marshall (UK Transport UA-camr) does all the time.
16:15 There is a permanent speed restriction on the above-ground tracks from Town Hall to Central where they pass under the Goulburn Street Parking Station. The original piers of the Parking station were rather thin but were reinforced after the Granville Accident, fearing that a derailment under the parking station could bring the lot down on a train with consequences much worse that Granville. Even so, caution rules the speeds of trains passing under the parking station. Ironic that a parking station, encouraging people to drive into the CBD, should be built over public transport! Very 1960's thinking!
I wasn't aware of that, and I've been in that car park and heard the trains down below. It's a shame that this car park affects the speed in this area. And slower trains, means less trains per hour, so its affecting capacity too.
I often wonder about bad places for derailments. My biggest fear is northbound on John Whitton Bridge (Rhodes to Meadowbank) and along Mullet Creek between Hawkesbury River and Wondabyne.
Would be great for you two to do this again for the Bankstown extension next year. Maybe you could also get @chrisTopher_urbanism to race you on his cycle.
That's a little different as its the conversion of an existing line, but maybe there are some races we can do with bus services (normal, rather than the rail replacement ones).
It you mean fares, they should be the same. Yes end to end savings are what is most important for passengers, but with so many journey options, we wouldn't know where to start.
So pleased that someone else has been game to call out the Tangaras. Uncomfortable, poorly designed doors, cloudy windows, fixed hard seats, etc. (But a bit rich from metro-champion Sharath - at least they gave seats 😂)
A huge amount of time is lost getting into and out of train stations and getting to where you really want to be. Which is not in the unpleasant station platforms or long corridors, lifts, escalators full of blank walls and noise. This is the sad reality of much transport planning and design. Engineers obsess with the mechanical engineering of the transport media, ignoring how well the routes and stations fit into the urban fabric. It is a shame that all the new stations are so sterile and bereft of services and retail despite the huge wasted spaces. There is a joy of travelling in Japan and France of being able to get a coffee and meal and do some other shopping in the actual stations. The journey should be the reward, tightly part of the city it is in.
Hi Peter, Yes it does take sometime to get into and out of underground stations. However, its impossible to build metros above ground in built up areas without demolishing thousands of properties. It makes sense to build stations for future capacity, That didn't happen for the Victoria line in London in the 1960s, and now stations are closed regularly for overcrowding, You'll certainly be able to buy a coffee at some of the stations and Martin Place will have around 30 retail spaces.
My lower face hurt and i feel pain after got pushed onto the Bus. I was signalling the Bus and i got stuck in the door then when i managed to get out i tap on and students were pushing and i hit something and fall to the floor and it was painful and a Year 10 Student helped me then i got a seat and called my dad to get me from Epping Station. The pain continued and at Epping Station and the driver telled me my name, my school and he wrote the time and i took the photo of the Bus Driver ID, Route Number, and Bus Number and it was 1511. The 3 Boys Stayed with me at Epping Station then my Dad Arrived and i got home. This was the Incident i had today and it was on Bus Route 550.
I believe since the 2020 power upgrades waratahs can run on the T4. Due to timetabling reasons (aka its just easier to run Tangaras) they currently dont.
Yes that would make sense. I reckon when the Oscars are cascaded to Sydney Suburban services, we will start to see them and/or Waratah trains on the T4.
I think because they are pulling k sets away and even m sets might be next in line, I would give the h sets purely to T2/T8 because of the airport and luggage racks
In order to get to the City from Frenchs Forest, People have to take the 160X to Chatswood then the Train to the City Town Hall Station. How long will it be with the 160X to Chatswood then the Metro to the City Station: Gadigal even though the 160X Runs Every 10-15 Minutes?
Sorry to disagree with the video but most of the time savings are actually on the walking part, which isn't really relevant in a lot of cases and the comparison is not quite valid. For example, the Central to Waterloo journeys aren't comparable because Waterloo isn't a train station - it's a metro station. What should be compared is Central to Redfern on train, and Central to Waterloo on metro: the difference won't be that big. Similarly, Central to Sydenham would be 7 minutes on both the train and the metro. Now the win isn't really clear. If I want to frame the story in favour of the train, Epping to Redfern will be 25 minutes by train and 32 minutes on metro.
I agree with you here. This is a very rose coloured glasses for the metro assuming you want to go to all the station locations for the existing metro. The true saving is that ~ 9 minutes, from chatswood to central, with 6 minutes between chatswood and north sydney and only 3 minutes crossing the harbour bridge. The existing train is very slow over the bridge and perhaps could be improved. But the saving including "waiting for a bus" and "walking to a station construction site" are just rubbish!. Not helpful. Only you can know what your journey will be and it will probably change between days and different places commuters go. Just tell us how the train between its locations which should be much quicker on a 60km/h average speed train which is driven hard vs the 30km/h average speed sydney trains network.
@@user-lh7ey5wr2h And for an apple-to-apple comparison, the same Bankstown to Central is 5 minutes faster on metro at best and zero at worst. I guess it only makes a bit more sense when taking into account the higher frequency of the metro, but at peak the current Bankstown frequency is already 8 tph = one train every 7.5 minutes = average 4 minutes of waiting. Bumping to 15 tph decreases the average wait time to 2 minutes. Not a huge difference after all.
Absolutely true - but it is a bit of fun to do - and the basic fact if the metro being faster is right. But it is also the fact that the people who will benefit most are the Hills District.
@@jack2453 nailed it. It’s the more privileged residents in more affluent suburbs who benefit most from the metro, which should have been targeted towards those who are less advantaged (Western Sydney, for example). Now all of the West of Bankstown commuters will be funnelled into the already crowded T1/T2 lines. Not to mention some will have to change trains during the journey.
Hi @phamnguyenductin, good points. Its people's end to end journey times that really matter, and these won't start and end at a train or metro station! We also didn't consider the time it takes to get to a metro platform which is likely to be 2 or 3 mins for some stations. Once the metro opens, we might do another video featuring some journeys were the train is still faster!
Theres the 291 that goes through St Leonards. Will the 291 Frequency be Increased from every hour to every 10-15 Minutes in Peak and Every 30 Minutes Off Peak when Metro Extension Opens?
Hi everyone, Hope you enjoy this video with Sharath @building beautifully!. We used "North Sydney" and "Victoria Cross" interchangeably when referring to journey times to and from North Sydney. Some of the journey times by Sydney Trains do vary during the day, especially where interchanges are involved, so that did affect our timesaving estimates a little! Looking forward to hearing your comments!
I think it is worth mentioning that for example you have stated that it took you 13min to get to Crows Nest but it will take just 4min on the Metro, but you haven't factored in the time it will take to get from the platform to the station entrance. I'd suggest this will probably be 3-4 minutes depending on how busy it is so would definitely be a factor worth considering.
thanks paul and sharath for yet another great video about sydney metro!
Thanks for having me along Paul! Hope to have you back on my channel soon 😉 😎
nice
Sharath make a Tasmania video!
I didn’t watch this to listen to your Tangara bashing, Sharath! 😤😂😂
You're very welcome Sharath. It was a lot of fun, and there's been some wonderful feedback in the comments on our collaboration! - Yes, it will be fun to do another one on your channel!
Pity you are so biased towards the hills bible belt area. Get out of your bubble and live a little, friend :) trust me its better on the other side
There is no comparison between your two channels. Paul seems to focus on the specifics of train and metro construction whereas Sharath's channel is more general design issues and overall planning. both are fascinating.
@markleon411 Yes I agree with you.
Sharath has gotten a LOT of details and even some pretty basic things wrong in the past, obviously he is still relatively young and we all make mistakes but I remain often quite underwhelmed with Sharaths videos.
Thanks Mark, yes our channels are quite different, and fascinating in different ways!
paul sticks to the facts, sharath throws in a bit too much of his leftie politics.
@@iris4547 lefty politics lol go on mate, what then
This is S-tier level of PT reporting. The bar has been reset.
Thanks! We like to raise the bar!
So the Metro is a real game changer particularly for those living further out from the city and want to get into the CBD. Thanks heaps guys - what a great duo!
As someone in the eastern suburbs it's going to make the north shore more accessible. One stop at Martin Place for a high frequency rapid metro
You're very welcome @TimS-pg5pv. It certainly will be! Glad you enjoyed our collab!
Absolutely! @Secretlyanothername. Its going to really speed up those journeys!
Thank you both.
Sharath, to answer your question: I'm delighted to have found both of your channels!
That's the right answer! Glad you enjoy our videos!
a video of you two actually racing between the different modes once the Metro opens would be fun to watch. I also wonder whether if walking or taking the light rail between different points within the CBD may actually be quicker than metro once you factor in things like escalator travel.
Yes we could have some fun doing that! A race video comparing walking versus the L1 has been on my long list for a while. I also think L2/L3 between Circular Quay and Central versus running or cycling would be fun too!
@@TransportVlog Yess, but you will need 5 people (one cycle, one bus, one walk, one on sydney trains and another on the metro). Happy to part of it if you don't have the people.
The best crossover ever.
Thanks!
This is a fun way to explain the advantages of Sydney Metro, and I think there's going to be a major shift towards Metro when it opens, which will benefit everyone. I enjoyed your "heads and tails" route selection with the new opal playing card, which I can see a possible "building beautifully" board game 🎲 on the horizon. Maybe even a "Transport Vlog" board game called "Collaboration Station." Both will be a fun way to explore Sydney Trains and Metro network 😀. Sharath asked us to say which channel we liked best, and my answer is to flip the Opal card and say to him," heads I win, tails,you lose."
Excellent collaboration, and I think you are both "even steven" on this one.
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed our fun video, and our Opal card toss! There is already a card game called the "Train Game" which is quite fun to play! Great to know that you enjoy both our channels equally!
Damn, taking the train from Wynyard to Town Hall to Martin Place is a wild choice.
Well, it added to the entertainment! value!
What a fun great video to make!! You guys sure would have had a much enjoyable day with lots of laughter for sure!! Well done mates!! 😉🤝
Yes it was lots of fun to film and edit too! We certainly did! Lots more laughs (and embarrassing out-takes) that didn't make the final cut!
Two of my favourite people 😊
I look forward to just doing the Chatswood to Sydenham trip just to see the delighted look on the locals' faces. 😊😊😊
Yes, I'm sure they'll all be smiling!
They dynamic duo does it again. Great video.
The times savings are massive particularly if you can get to Sydenham from the south and Epping from the North.
One thing you need to allow for also is getting out of Vic X Metro.
It can take around 3 minutes from alighting the Metro to get to the surface.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Yes they certainly are. We didn't factor in the time it takes to get from the metro station entrances to the platforms, and for some of the stations such as Vic Cross and Martin Place, that will take 2 or 3 mins for sure!
Great comparison of travel times gives a good rundown of the new Sydney Metro line. Metro will be good for short journeys but not so much for longer commutes.
Thanks! Yes the metro is more designed for shorter journeys with the high-frequency, all stops service.
Nice collab.
On the shorter journeys (eg. Crows Nest to Victoria Cross) you also really need to add the significant time (2-3 minutes each) and walking distance to get to and from platfom level. So some might prefer the bus.
Borh YTers are very different styles. But Paul wins because he doesnt wear a tattered Wallabies cap :-)
Thanks Mark. Yes that's right. Might be worth doing some of these races again after the line opens. Metro v Bus from Crows Nest to Vic Cross would be an interesting one for sure! He He! I usually wear a railway related cap in the summer months!
I love it, my two favourite Sydney metro Vloggers collaborating! More in the future please ❤
Glad you enjoyed our collab! Yes we will do more of these for sure, as they are so much fun!
Legends of transport of vlogging.
Thanks!
Great to see the collab guys. Can't wait for the metro to open, thanks for a very interesting in depth view of the connections currently compared to when the metro opens.
Glad you enjoyed! We can't wait for it to open too!
Seeing both of you working together is great. Thanks so much for your informative vids for those of us who live outside the city but visit regularly from regional centres...Joni.
You're very welcome Joni. Yes we know that people outside of Sydney (and Australia) enjoy watching our videos, and it helps keep them up to date with what is happening.
It might also be interesting exploring how the metro can improve travel times for people transferring from bus routes (instead of catching the bus all the way into the city). There has been a bit of uproar around some services (115, 252 and 261) terminating at north Sydney once the metro opens.
Yes that would be interesting!
this might actually make me visit the city more often. jumping on one train from the hills with no changing is a major bonus even if the time savings will be minimal compared to changing at epping to go via strathfield.
Absolutely! You might see me in the Hills area more often too!
not them casually watching aespa supernova cover in wynyard walk
Was that what the music was!
Both channels are my favourites. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, yes will do!
And also the new extension of Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Sydenham via Crows Nest has now connected commuters of north west Sydney to the rest of Australia by rail at Central allowing connections with XPT and Xplorer trains to Armidale, Moree, Grafton, Casino, Brisbane, Perth, Griffith, Canberra, Broken Hill, Dubbo and Melbourne
Yes thats right.
Great video thanks guys, love both your channels
Thanks Vivian, Glad you enjoy our videos.
Very informative entertainment. Hopefully I'll bump into you and Sharath on the Grand Opening. I'll have to commence the trip from Tallawong. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it Paul. Yes, hopefully see you on opening day!
The Line between Waverton and St Leonards could have been constructed straighter, but it then would have had gradients too steep for the 1890s steam trains to handle.
Yes that's right! That the reason for much of the curved track in NSW, especially on the Wollongong and Moss Vale lines.
Really looking forward to the City Metro extension opening. I live near Wollongong and at the moment it can take anywhere up to three hours to get to Chatswood via bus and train. Once the extension opens it'll only take two hours.
It will reduce that journey by a few mins. Probably not 1 hour though!
The 293 Runs Between Marsfield and the City as it goes along Epping Road. I think the Solution for the 293 is to Extend it to Epping to avoid Duplication with the 292 and 551. My Proposal is to Extend the 293 to Epping Station on Cambridge Street. With that, the 293 Will Instead Terminate at North Sydney Station. The 293 is an Express Bus that only runs in the Peak, The 293 follows Epping Road bypassing Macquarie Centre and to the Lane Cove Tunnel. Since Buses Pay Toll Roads, the 293 Will avoid the Lane Cove Tunnel to avoid Interference with the Hills BRT. The 293 will follow Epping Road to the Gore Hill Freeway and continue on the Freeway to Pacific Highway where it will Terminate at North Sydney. This will help connect between Stations. It will free up services on the 292. It will Replace the 290 Bus Route that goes via North Sydney to the City. That will be the Best Solution Because most people at Marsfield take the 292 to Macquarie University and take the Metro to the City. We should have the 293 running 24 Hours a Day between Epping and North Sydney so that people who live on Epping Road or walk to Epping Road to take the Bus will need to Transfer at North Sydney. It is Cheaper and Easier. It will help connect people to the Train Line. The Services will be Increased in Peak.
Interesting ideas Ethan. You should suggest these to the NSW Government.
Thanks for your video. The comparing the trip by train from Chatswood to Wynyard currently 17 minutes per timetable with 6 stops compared to the Metro from Chatswood to Barangaroo with 2 stops and the Barangaroo stop in the middle of nowhere 9 minutes. By the time you get to Wynyard very similar. Difficult to compare correctly as different number of stops, and different ending points.
Hi Wayne, Glad you enjoyed it. Yes Barangaroo and Wynyard are difficult to compare, as it depends on where you're heading too, and which station you're coming from. I will do a timed walk from the Barangaroo South towers to both the Barangaroo and Wynyard Platforms to compare once the metro opens.
my two favourite sydney transport youtubers in one video? omggg 🤩🤩🤩
Yep, we've done a couple of collabs now, but I think this was the best so far!
Great video as always you both! Can we get some insights into the Future extensions into south-west metro? I’m keen to know more about the Airport-Leppington-Glenfield extension! Also it would be great if the metro created a circular line connecting the north-west to the south-west! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! The Airport-Leppington-Glenfield extension is still in the planning stages, and I think it will be a few years before we see work on this starting. Same goes for the extension from St Marys to Tallawong. There isn't as much money available now as there was a few years ago, so I think we're going to see less new lines being approved for a while.
@@TransportVlog Thanks Paul for the insights! Unfortunately we at the mercy of the ministers unlike Singapore. Whilst getting these essential infrastructure underway is the right step in the right direction, I’m afraid it’s not enough to build a robust and sensible one! My point being when developing something don’t do it in bits and pieces make something that really connects the greater Sydney. This is why the Govt has no business being in Business! They should just make policies period. 😄
Sydenham might be one of Sydney Cross Platform Interchanges. Platform 1 and 6 has no Island Platfprm while platform 2, 3, 4 and 5 does. If you go from East Hills to the City Via T8 Express. You can get off at Sydenham to Cross the Platform to Platform 2 to go to the City (Later to Bankstown). If you're on the T4 at Tempe and you want to go to Glenfield, Get off at Sydenham Platform 5 and go to Platform 4 to get the T8 to Glenfield as T8 Express will go Via Sydenham After Metro Opens. Sydenham might be one of the Stations in Sydney that has Cross Platform Interchanges.
Yeah, I can see a lot more interchanges happening at Sydenham. It's going to be really interesting to see what happens between 4th August & Oct when the Bankstown trains & Metro are running in conjunction before they shut the Bankstown line down. And then subsequently next year when its completed and we go full Metro.
Apparently I've heard from many sources East Hills via Sydenham will be permanently cancelled in 2025, so the timetable after.
Under more trains more services there will be 12tph from Campbelltown (+2 from current timetable) 6tph from Revesby (+2) whilst the airport line will increase from 10-18tph (+8).
So it will absorb the +4 that will be additional services and +4 that currently go via Sydenham will be diverted via the airport.
East Hills passengers can still access all stations via an interchange at Wolli Creek.
So St Peters and Erko will move to East Hills line for one year, after the Bankstown line metro extension opens it will move to Eastern Suburbs line as East Hills trains will no longer stop at Sydenham
@@TomHommus I heard something where express and SCO trains will use the (forgot the name of the tracks, but its doesn't have platforms at wolli creek), express or something.... so all stops to hurstville will use the tracks with the platforms at wolli creek and all express will stop at sydenham instead. So i reckon the all stoppers to hurstville will stop at erko and st peters and express will remain the usual self (with sydenham being the express stop rather than wolli creek).
And i guess the inner circle of the city circle will be purely T8 lines from central and its will spurt out as split services of ether T2 or whatnot. And all outer city circle trains will come from redfern and all will spit to the T8 to the airport right?
Paul is my absolute favourite, he is definitely more focussed on the facts and providing information for viewers to form their own informed opinion… met him on Friday and we chatted for ages about rollingstock 😊 Shareth has style, but he has released some shock jock videos that don’t make much engineering sense, as much as they are entertaining.
Thanks! and lovely to chat with you last Friday and geek out on rolling stock!
I don't buy that arguement that the overhead supply limits the T4 to tangaras that Sydney Rail spins. In the old days we had multiple electric 86 class locos hauling coal trains up Como Bank - I would have thought that that would have exceeded maybe 10 commuter trains in itself.
Both of those things can be true. Probably they upgraded the power supply on Como Bank because of the freight. No 86 class hauling heavy loads to Bondi Junction though, then or now. I have no idea what the current situation is regarding traction power, apart from the fact that they built a new substation (the Chalmers St Substation Project) that supplies power to the Eastern Suburbs Line (and Central to Wynyard, City Circle). They have been doing a lot of power supply upgrades.
Passenger metro trains are very power hungry. Many MW are required for the rapid acceleration for around 30 seconds. Generally, freights accelerate much more slowly so the MW capacity is not needed. It does seem counter intuitive, but passenger trains need higher peak power. Energy is a different matter….
Its the Eastern Suburbs Railway that limits the T4 in peak not the Illawarra Line, also there are WAY WAY more trains running around now on the network than there were back then.
That makes more sense.
Two of my favourite legends keep up the good work guys 😎🤩🔥
Thanks Daniel, yes we will do!
Looking forward to the test on the secured bicycle facility, mainly the secured bit.
Yes me too!
When this opens I am going from Castle Hill to Martin Place, and change to Hurstville once a week. Beats driving for >1 hour in heavy traffic. Taking bus via M2 to the city is nearly 1 hour
Yes, that sounds like a much more relaxing and quicker way to get there!
Haha this is a sweet collab! Hope to see more of you both
Glad you liked it. Yes we will do more collabs for sure!
The CCN From Epping to Central Takes 25 Minutes. T9 Only Does Express during Peak Hour only on Weekdays and that takes the same time as Metro as 30 Minutes. The T9 Local Takes 36 Minutes from Epping to Central.
Thanks Ethan, I based my timings on the off-peak T9 service.
I feel its will be varable to where your planted in the cbd tho. Central, you will still use the CCN express (or even just a random ass coin toss between metro or T9 local). For wynard or town hall, metro will be the pick.
Gents, thank you for the video .Have found both of your channels usually very interesting.
I like the time savings demonstrated by your trip.
I do feel the comparison are a bit off considering you are comparing a system that has been built up over the years to one
with modern technology with very little human interface.
I made the trip to Tallawong a short time ago and found it uninspiring,
with nothing overly exciting about the overground portion and none of
underground stations screaming "get off here there's something interesting here".
I do plan to travel on the extension a little while after it is opened
If only to duck across to the "General Gordon" at Sydenham for a refreshing ale
and to duck into ARHS at Waterloo for a look around. Not in that order.
Hi Jamie, glad you enjoyed this video. Yes technology has changed a lot over the years, especially tunnelling technology and signalling. I think you'll enjoy the new stations. Each one is quite unique, and Waterloo is super close to the ARHS!
P.A.J.E.E.T!
9:15 Another option would be the light rail from bridge street or wynard. Possibly faster than the transfer.
Yes it probably would be! One big advantage of light rail is the lack of escalators!
Now both of you gotta do it (also add 3 people and probs I can be one of them haha) once the new cbd metro open..... with one person doing metro and another doing sydney trains lol..... or maybe a 5 way, 1 does bus, 1 does metro, 1 does trains, 1 one does light rail and last person can use ebike or scooter.
That would be interesting! Have already considered a race video of train/metro versus bike or versus running! eBike could be interesting too!
Catch from Wynard to North Ryde via changing over at Chatswood so i kinda go against peak usage. i cant WAIT until this opens next month! 😁Will save me so much time each day
Yes it's so exciting! You might get a seat in that direction, especially after Victoria Cross station.
Great reporting keep it up
Thanks
They should’ve extended the excellent Monorail system to the North and west of you ask me. If it’s good enough for Springfield and Vegas it’s good enough for Sydney, baby!
The monorail could only handle about 50 people per train. The Metro can handle over 1,000 and is much faster!
Really curious how this is going to pan out because I travel from Castle Hill but work at Wynyard. You really can't beat the convenience of travelling from Chatswood to Wynyard on the train right now, but if the metro will be that much faster even if I have to alight at Barangaroo and walk...
Hi Barney, I think Martin Place will be the closer station for the Wynyard area. It depends where your office is located. I guess you'll have to try both and see which is quicker for you.
When the Metro starts running all the way to Bankstown, I assume that Erskineville and St Peters Stations will be serviced by those Illawarra Line trains which presently usually don't stop there. That will slightly increase the travel times for some services on that Line.
Interesting fact about St Peters Station: Although the Sydney trams on the "green lines" (Inner south-west) through Newtown closed in September 1957, trams still ran to St Peters Station via the (then still open) Eastern Suburbs system from Redfern via Alexandria until 1959.
Erskineville and St Peters stations are actually going to be served by the T8! The Macarthur trains are going to be rerouted via Sydenham and stop at these stations. Thanks for the interesting fact about St Peters Station!
@@TransportVlogThey’re going to be serviced by the T8 for around a year, with transfer to the T4 line to be done in 2025. I guess the change from T8 to T4 for St Peters and Erskineville will be after both the Sydenham to Bankstown extension of the M1 line (the Metro line’s new number) and the realignment of tracks for SCO intercity services to use Illawarra locals instead of Illawarra mains from Central to Hurstville. It’s not sure yet where those T8 services will terminate, but that route in the peak currently tends to terminate at Campbelltown instead of Macarthur.
I like both of your channels. Quite different content
Thanks!
I really enjoyed watching this informative video and I am most definitely looking forward to hopping on the new metro extension :)
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, me too!
AND ALL STATIONS TO 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
Strong Little Doer Carpet advert vibes from this video.
Nice!
Excellent video
Thanks Chad
Very well done and most enjoyable. Here in Toronto we still await the Opening of the Eglinton Crosstown perhaps September 2024? Thanks once again.
Thanks Peter, glad you enjoyed it! Look forward to hearing all about that. I'm sure Reece will do a video on that once it opens!
I haven't seen this level of physical coordination since Alvarez vs Djokovic last night
LOL!🤣
You both have excellent UA-cam sites. This combined episode is somewhat rediculous. The Metro is not a duplication as it routes to new sites that reduce walking time and train crowding. We should be impressed with the politicians who pushed the project through at immense expense but even higher value to the community. Transport NSW should be congratulated on the parts it played and still does. This praise was last offered to all parties involved in the Sydney Olympics.
Thanks Douglas, that's right, and that's the reason we included examples of time savings from other destinations. Crows Nest, Barangaroo and Waterloo serve new areas, so by definition are going to be much quicker than the equivalent journey by existing trains and buses.
I saw another legend your mate of Sydney Trains Vlog and abandonedOz channels. At Central today midday.
Aaah yes, that's Phil. We did a collab last year on Central Station. - ua-cam.com/video/Wpr7PIuzz8o/v-deo.htmlsi=Lnb85b1C8aowTKkE
awesome colab!
Thanks!!
It's great when your destination is along the route to or from the CBD. Unfortunately, I'd still have to drive if i want to go from Macquarie Park to Bankstown.
Yes unfortunately so. It's much harder to provide rail services between suburbs, so driving or using the bus is often the only option.
Only 8 more years until they open the Metro West line, with my nearest station only a 40 minute walk away from me or any train station, eating any possible time gains.
That's a long walk! Could moving be an option for you?
That's interesting to hear Paul that the Metro will get people onto the city quicker than the normal train with the Driver. I would wonder how long it will take for the people That live along the Bankstown Line once the Line gets converted to Sydney metro it would take to get the people living along the Bankstown Line getting into the city once it been converted to Sydney metro?
Hi Peter, its going to be quicker than now for 3 reasons. Firstly, the trains will have faster acceleration and deceleration, and hopefully the line will have a faster top speed too. Secondly, the frequency will be much better, with a train every 4 mins in the peak, so less waiting time. Thirdly, the time from Sydenham to Central is just 7 mins, compared 10 mins on the T3.
The big disappointment is that the metro won't deliver broader savings to the lower north shore, northern beaches and inner south because of the lack of decent bus and light rail connections at Crows Nest, Victoria X, and Waterloo.
And don’t forget no provision of commuter car parks at most of the new metro stations
@@petertullemansAt least that is one positive.
I think we need to get rid of many northern beaches services off the miltary or spit rd (for at least anything north of narrabeen). If i were the government, i would like to see an experiment with the 190x of doing the usual avalon to narrabeen all stops and then rather than to go via dee why and usual route, its will get sent via frenches forest (following route 270) and express to cbd. Also maybe an promotion of the 160x to chatswood.
I think if labor didn't can the northern beaches road tunnel, I would like to see some kind of conversion of the old tram lines (which is one bus southbound and other is car), to be converted into a pure busway (current bus southbound will be northbound and the car lane will be southbound, with a larger barrier so no crashes and the old platform 1-2 of wynard gets converted into a bus port, bit like bondi jct bus port). Cahill expressway get converted to some green roof or whatnot. But for that to work, the western harbor tunnel needs to exist. I think even without the northern beaches tunnel, the busway can still somewhat work. Also a station can happen on the busway in north sydney somewhere and a bridge to lead buses to the right side of the road as well.
I reckon bus services around the metro stations will improve over time. There are some changes from day 1, and bus stops will be closer to the new stations than they are now.
That's right @petertullemans. In the more high densely populated parts of Sydney, its much better use of space to have residential and/or commercial developments instead of car parks.
As someone who commutes on the Central Coast line, I'm wondering if it'll be worth getting off at Epping to switch to the Metro or not.
Will be dependent where your destination is. If you want to get to central.. stay on the CCN train.. but if you want to get to Wynyard or North Sydney the metro might be quicker or the same time.
Yes that's good advice. Might be worth experimenting to see which is quicker.
@@fittipaldi7326 Something that needs to be in the equation is how long morning peak CCN trains take from Strathfield to Central. At least the train I catch regularly takes much longer than say a T1 express from Penrith, even though there's an extra stop at Redfern. I haven't worked out if the CCN delay is timetabled or if it just regularly arrives at Central late. But honestly, it takes so long, it could easily stop at Burwood, Ashfield and Redfern and still make the same time.
Great vid
Thanks!
The new extension will be great but as many have pointed out: It might be TOO fast - the distance between stations is way too long on most sections.
If there would be more stations it would still be faster than today, but many more places would get metro access.
This is even worse for the Metro West
Hi Nicolas, there are some gaps, eg Castle Hill to Cherrybrook and North Ryde to Chatswood, but most stations are 2 or 3 minutes apart which is similar to most metro systems around the world. Its likely that Metro West will now have 1, possibly 2 new stations between Parramatta and Sydney Olympic Park, and I'm really hoping that happens!
@@TransportVlogThe long gap is Cherrybrook to Epping, around 6-7 mins long to traverse. Cherrybrook to Castle Hill is much shorter than that. Waterloo to Sydenham is another gap that’s around 5 mins long.
Good video you both made. I will still tap on with Trains driven by humans, and supporting jobs for Guards, Drivers, and the Station staff. To me it Doesn't matter if its slower because the trains are double decked and harder to unload, and the lines have more stops, I will still always support the Men and Women working. The metro should be using the Tranport NSW voice by Taylor Owynns for the Door opening sound. And it should be "Doors opening please stand clear" not that other robotic crap. The metro shouldn't be on a long line if the trains don't support it. A metro if for short populated distances, not long ones like it is. Thats why the T Sets are amazing, you can actually sit down in comfort. There obviously weren't enough strikes because now we will see a bye bye to our T sets, bye bye to the jobs of hundreds. All so the lines can be converted to this Metro crap. We didn't need a war against our Train staff, we already have one in our buses after the state privitised everything. The metro marks the beginning of a slow process to wipe out humans from our transport, and also our fleet of reliable,Australian made trains ,and replace them with some stupid computerised crap ( made overseas ). Goodluck.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes I'm not a fan of the robotic voices! No drivers or guards are losing their jobs because of the metro. The drivers and guards on the T3 will be redeployed on the T2 and T8 along with the Waratah trains. T sets will be around for at least another 10 years, which is why they are being refurbished.
Hi Paul and Sharath, thanks for an excellent video. It is a pity that the trams no longer run, as you would have caught a tram from Crows Nest in the old days. I subscribe to both your UA-cam channels and enjoy them equally. Just a question, how do you manage the distant videos of yourselves? I am thinking of you planting cameras all over the place at the moment!!! Anyway, take care. Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Glad you enjoyed it Rob. We put my phone on a small tripod for the distant clips, and hoped that no one would walk with it whilst we were filming! Its something that Geoff Marshall (UK Transport UA-camr) does all the time.
I can even see the Metro Trains
Yep that's right!
I actually caught a waratah train from bondi junction to martin place this morning. It's not unusual either...
Are you sure if was a Waratah and not an Oscar? If it had high seat backs and dot matrix displays, it would have been an Oscar train.
@@TransportVlog Even some Oscar trains have the new displays I believe.
Both great UA-cam content providers wonderful to see them team up for this video. Is Sharath studying mathematics?
Thanks! Sharath is studying Civil Engineering, and I suspect there is some maths in that!
It took 5 years of building Sydney Metro just so this collab could happen
LOL! Neither of us were UA-camrs when construction work started on the City and Southwest extension!
16:15 There is a permanent speed restriction on the above-ground tracks from Town Hall to Central where they pass under the Goulburn Street Parking Station. The original piers of the Parking station were rather thin but were reinforced after the Granville Accident, fearing that a derailment under the parking station could bring the lot down on a train with consequences much worse that Granville. Even so, caution rules the speeds of trains passing under the parking station.
Ironic that a parking station, encouraging people to drive into the CBD, should be built over public transport! Very 1960's thinking!
I wasn't aware of that, and I've been in that car park and heard the trains down below. It's a shame that this car park affects the speed in this area. And slower trains, means less trains per hour, so its affecting capacity too.
I often wonder about bad places for derailments. My biggest fear is northbound on John Whitton Bridge (Rhodes to Meadowbank) and along Mullet Creek between Hawkesbury River and Wondabyne.
Would be great for you two to do this again for the Bankstown extension next year. Maybe you could also get @chrisTopher_urbanism to race you on his cycle.
That's a little different as its the conversion of an existing line, but maybe there are some races we can do with bus services (normal, rather than the rail replacement ones).
Its a shame the metro skips Erskineville and St Peters.
The T8 will be serving those stops in the future.
I'm very curious about money cost comparisons and end to end time savings
It you mean fares, they should be the same. Yes end to end savings are what is most important for passengers, but with so many journey options, we wouldn't know where to start.
6:02 That’s what she said
Or is it 5:00 ?
@@dmzttboth 😂
I'll still be taking the T1 because it's more scenic
Yep, it definitely wins on the scenery front!
So pleased that someone else has been game to call out the Tangaras. Uncomfortable, poorly designed doors, cloudy windows, fixed hard seats, etc. (But a bit rich from metro-champion Sharath - at least they gave seats 😂)
Love the video guys are there gonna be any delays in opening how fast will the trains go will it be the feeling of high-speed rail in Asia or Europe
Glad you enjoy it! It's still planned for 4 August opening, and trains can go at up to 100 kph between stations.
A huge amount of time is lost getting into and out of train stations and getting to where you really want to be. Which is not in the unpleasant station platforms or long corridors, lifts, escalators full of blank walls and noise.
This is the sad reality of much transport planning and design. Engineers obsess with the mechanical engineering of the transport media, ignoring how well the routes and stations fit into the urban fabric.
It is a shame that all the new stations are so sterile and bereft of services and retail despite the huge wasted spaces. There is a joy of travelling in Japan and France of being able to get a coffee and meal and do some other shopping in the actual stations. The journey should be the reward, tightly part of the city it is in.
Hi Peter, Yes it does take sometime to get into and out of underground stations. However, its impossible to build metros above ground in built up areas without demolishing thousands of properties. It makes sense to build stations for future capacity, That didn't happen for the Victoria line in London in the 1960s, and now stations are closed regularly for overcrowding, You'll certainly be able to buy a coffee at some of the stations and Martin Place will have around 30 retail spaces.
At least the train system is working better then Sydneys new crap roading system
Yes, let's hope that will also be the case when the metro extension opens!
At Central Station
My lower face hurt and i feel pain after got pushed onto the Bus. I was signalling the Bus and i got stuck in the door then when i managed to get out i tap on and students were pushing and i hit something and fall to the floor and it was painful and a Year 10 Student helped me then i got a seat and called my dad to get me from Epping Station. The pain continued and at Epping Station and the driver telled me my name, my school and he wrote the time and i took the photo of the Bus Driver ID, Route Number, and Bus Number and it was 1511. The 3 Boys Stayed with me at Epping Station then my Dad Arrived and i got home. This was the Incident i had today and it was on Bus Route 550.
Sorry to hear that about this incident Ethan. Hope you feel better soon.
that's cool and interesting..thank you folks.
Glad you enjoyed it.
I like Pauls Channel
Thanks Ethan
I believe since the 2020 power upgrades waratahs can run on the T4. Due to timetabling reasons (aka its just easier to run Tangaras) they currently dont.
Yes that would make sense. I reckon when the Oscars are cascaded to Sydney Suburban services, we will start to see them and/or Waratah trains on the T4.
I think because they are pulling k sets away and even m sets might be next in line, I would give the h sets purely to T2/T8 because of the airport and luggage racks
In order to get to the City from Frenchs Forest, People have to take the 160X to Chatswood then the Train to the City Town Hall Station. How long will it be with the 160X to Chatswood then the Metro to the City Station: Gadigal even though the 160X Runs Every 10-15 Minutes?
Its going to a faster for sure. Chatswood to Gadigal is 13 mins, which is 10 mins faster than the train.
I'm surprised Seven still has their signage on their old Martin Place building..
I didn't notice that!
Sorry to disagree with the video but most of the time savings are actually on the walking part, which isn't really relevant in a lot of cases and the comparison is not quite valid.
For example, the Central to Waterloo journeys aren't comparable because Waterloo isn't a train station - it's a metro station. What should be compared is Central to Redfern on train, and Central to Waterloo on metro: the difference won't be that big. Similarly, Central to Sydenham would be 7 minutes on both the train and the metro. Now the win isn't really clear.
If I want to frame the story in favour of the train, Epping to Redfern will be 25 minutes by train and 32 minutes on metro.
I agree with you here. This is a very rose coloured glasses for the metro assuming you want to go to all the station locations for the existing metro. The true saving is that ~ 9 minutes, from chatswood to central, with 6 minutes between chatswood and north sydney and only 3 minutes crossing the harbour bridge. The existing train is very slow over the bridge and perhaps could be improved.
But the saving including "waiting for a bus" and "walking to a station construction site" are just rubbish!. Not helpful. Only you can know what your journey will be and it will probably change between days and different places commuters go. Just tell us how the train between its locations which should be much quicker on a 60km/h average speed train which is driven hard vs the 30km/h average speed sydney trains network.
@@user-lh7ey5wr2h And for an apple-to-apple comparison, the same Bankstown to Central is 5 minutes faster on metro at best and zero at worst.
I guess it only makes a bit more sense when taking into account the higher frequency of the metro, but at peak the current Bankstown frequency is already 8 tph = one train every 7.5 minutes = average 4 minutes of waiting. Bumping to 15 tph decreases the average wait time to 2 minutes. Not a huge difference after all.
Absolutely true - but it is a bit of fun to do - and the basic fact if the metro being faster is right. But it is also the fact that the people who will benefit most are the Hills District.
@@jack2453 nailed it. It’s the more privileged residents in more affluent suburbs who benefit most from the metro, which should have been targeted towards those who are less advantaged (Western Sydney, for example). Now all of the West of Bankstown commuters will be funnelled into the already crowded T1/T2 lines. Not to mention some will have to change trains during the journey.
Hi @phamnguyenductin, good points. Its people's end to end journey times that really matter, and these won't start and end at a train or metro station! We also didn't consider the time it takes to get to a metro platform which is likely to be 2 or 3 mins for some stations. Once the metro opens, we might do another video featuring some journeys were the train is still faster!
Theres the 291 that goes through St Leonards. Will the 291 Frequency be Increased from every hour to every 10-15 Minutes in Peak and Every 30 Minutes Off Peak when Metro Extension Opens?
I'm not sure of the answer to that Ethan. I'll keep an eye out for the 291 timetable when the metro opens.
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Isn’t Denistone Sharrath’s favourite station?
Yes he did mention that on the day, but I think it got lost in the edit!
Hi Paul, should we also consider the saving by reduced waiting time ? metro is about once every 4 min peak, while the train is less frequent I think..
Yes that's right! We tried to keep it simple, but yes frequency , and reduced waiting will make a huge difference.
ITS at Redferm!
If you're referring to the "Connections" artwork, yes that's at Redfern Station.
Can you do a video on the quickest way from the central coast to the city
I'm guessing that probably going to by driving unfortunately! Perhaps car versus train!
@TransportVlog well unfortunately driving isn't an option for me as I don't drive
@@TransportVlog If driving isn't an option?
The Pacific Highway is so horrible, just as horrible as Parramatta Road or Military Road.
Yes, I agree, its a horrible noisy road! Sharath calls these type of roads "Stroads"
no disrespect Paul. I like your vids. but Sharath's vids are a little better. i love sharath's humor.
Yes, he is quite a natural at that!
So what's the total time from tallawong to martin place?
@@alimfuzzy 48 minutes. There is a Sydney Metro Travel Calculator you can find online.
@fittipaldi7326 thanks. Found it. It says it only saves 9 minutes. I thought it world be more.
@@alimfuzzy you are only saving time from Chatswood to Martin Place.
Tallawong to Chatswood will take the same time.