"lightly regarded league" man when they hired Greg Marshall the MVC was coming off multiple tournaments where they sent multiple teams. I'm a Creighton fan and I remember seeing 3-4 bid seasons with some people speculating even 5 teams one year making it in. 2006 alone saw 4 teams get invited to the NCAA tournament with 2 making the sweet 16. They went an entire decade 1998-2008 where they sent MORE than one team to the big dance every year. The MVC was never more highly regarded in their life.
Depressed Ginger I need you to go back and re-review the MVC back in the 00’s and 10’s. It wasn’t some scrub conference you’re making it out to be. It was an absolute blood bath. Everyone respected the MVC in those days
As someone who worked in the WSU Athletic Department during thses times, this is very sad to see. Those were some great days for WSU athletics as a whole, we dominated the MVC is all sports, not just basketball. Some of the best days of my career were there during that run from 2013-2018
Wichita State was a very good program in the late 70's and early 80's...they were ranked #1 in season a few times during the Antoine Carr /Cliff Levingston years
ECU fan here. Wichita State was awesome during some of the best years of college basketball imo. NIL has changed basketball so much in just a couple of years. Who knows how the sport will look on this level in 10 years
As an Illinois State alum, it was always a great time going to watch Wichita State from 2013-2017! It was only right to hate them because they were the rivals but I respected their squad!
Their 2014 loss to Kentucky is right there with 2005 Illinois-UNC, 2008 Memphis-Kansas, 2010 Butler-Duke, and 2015 Wisconsin-Duke in terms of games everyone wishes went the other way.
They left the MVC and they fired Greg Marshall. The Marshall firing is the main reason they’ve fallen off, it’s pretty plain and simple to understand when a college program loses its leader/architect, they’re going to change…
I always loved their name Shockers. The mascot looks neat and I just had to look up and learn the back story about it years ago when they were playing so well.
Sometimes a coach just has the correct formula to win in a place - whether it be Marshall at Wichita, Chaney at Temple, Sampson at Houston, Stevens at Butler, Carlesimo at Seton Hall, etc. They succeed wildly in a place where no one else has been able to match their results.
Their mistake was leaving the MVC. That conference has evolved into one of the most underrated conferences (like, you can make an argument comparing it to the A10 at this point) for the AAC where it's just too far above their head. Too low population of a state to handle three legitimate powerhouses at state schools
I agree...had they'd stayed in the MVC they'd be a little bit more competitive especially with these mid major conferences changes it kinda takes away from building a great conference...just like BYU going to the Big 12..if they woulda stayed in the WCC they'd be the best school in that conference
The committee loves to screw with small teams who have good Years. They have two tactics that they use. They will put them with another very good small school so that one of them gets Taken Out or they give them a tough draw with a established program. Usually they like to group all the sleeper teams in one region so that only one can come out.
This was a great video! I remember as a kid being "shocked" at how good witicha state was. Also I don't think it's fair to call vanvleet washed he stills puts up decent numbers
I remember when Wichita State upset Dayton in the NCAA tournament in 2017. Shame to see them have a collapse in recent years, but it doesn't suprise me.
I won a pile of money in the tourney that year Wichita St was 32-0. Their bracket was insane with underseeded UK the 8 seed, prime Pitino Louisville the 4, and Michigan the 2 when they were rolling. I took UK to get to the finals in a big money tourney pool of like 500 entries and they actually made it with a couple of late 3s in a tourney full of upsets. No one in the pool had the team that beat UK to win it, UCONN. So i won first prize. Probably lost all that money back since then. Cool story bro😂.
My bracket pools always let you have 3 brackets and as the son of a UCONN alum and someone who grew up in CT, I was the only one insane enough to pick the 7 seed to win, but I have to do one every year with them winning
So when teams like Louisville get their championship vacated, was the entire tournament that year a waist of time and money? Did the runner-up claim it that year, or is there not one?
I like the new coach will take time to build. Loved those ron baker years. Hes the reason im still a fan. Also if GM wasn't a total lunatic he'd pry be winning games for us still!
side note: I don't expect anyone to play Cal Poly in the tournament because they've been so bad for so long now. i know it was just a small bit but just sad to see their A.D just not care about the program
During their peak years they tested the refs to see if they’d be willing to foul out every single player… that was part of their success/ strategy, and it was ugly.
“Lightly regarded league” yea okay 😂 the Missouri Valley had four teams in the NCAA Tournament in 2006 and arguably should have had six. The MVC may have been the best conference outside of the power conferences.
The downfall was cuz we had an incompetent AD that had no idea what he was doing and fired Marshall and hired a third tier assistant (that was so unqualified) for that job and set the program back 5 years
But where the Rockets are at, I don't think Van Fleet is washed but in my city, its either they barely get in the postseason but battling in the play in tournament or tank, but its due to having the Nets' pick from the Harden trade not long ago & also having OKC's pick as well, but in the NBA the issue is even being a little under .500 isn't good enough to make moves to get Top 5 players in a draft
TheIR basketball and baseball program got them in the AAC. They have not lived up to the expectations. I happen to be a big a a c fan and i'm disappointed On how they have performed. I like them though and there is hope. But we were expecting a little more
Averaging 17-6-4 for five straight seasons is “basically washed” for an NBA player? 😭 FVV was an All Star two years ago and isn’t even 30 yet. Great video though
SKIP Horrible video, narrator sounds like he just pulled his rig out of the crick down in the holler. Talks bad about Fred as a recruit. Says how "some" didn't even have him listed. Never mentions any names of lists Fred wasn't on.
I Agree, I worked at WSU at the time and said it was a bad move. The conference is now essentially Conference USA, we had deep ties/rivalries in the Mo Vally
"lightly regarded league" man when they hired Greg Marshall the MVC was coming off multiple tournaments where they sent multiple teams. I'm a Creighton fan and I remember seeing 3-4 bid seasons with some people speculating even 5 teams one year making it in. 2006 alone saw 4 teams get invited to the NCAA tournament with 2 making the sweet 16. They went an entire decade 1998-2008 where they sent MORE than one team to the big dance every year. The MVC was never more highly regarded in their life.
This right here. MVC consistently gives the best underdogs come MM.
The guy who made this video has no clue what he’s talking about. He’s probably 25, can’t be too harsh. But the MVC was a bloodbath in the 2000’s
Ginger isn't well known for his research...or his knowledge
@@mark_kline no excuse. Same age and I knew that even though I’m not a super fan of college basketball.
Don't forget Bruce Weber at Southern Illinois, Steve Alford at SW Missouri@@mark_kline
VanVleet is not washed, he’s literally having a career high average in assists this year 😂
Real ones remember Cleanthony Early, Knicks legend
Edit: this mane really said “La Sally” lmao
I wish he would've stayed outta Queens just one less night. He was fun to watch
Early was tough I liked him. The last play vs Kentucky should have gone to him.
@@bnegs521real, Fred was missing all game idk why we went to him
Depressed Ginger I need you to go back and re-review the MVC back in the 00’s and 10’s. It wasn’t some scrub conference you’re making it out to be. It was an absolute blood bath. Everyone respected the MVC in those days
Absolutely
big fan of your channel from Wichita - can't believe you even did this video! Awesome.
As someone who worked in the WSU Athletic Department during thses times, this is very sad to see. Those were some great days for WSU athletics as a whole, we dominated the MVC is all sports, not just basketball. Some of the best days of my career were there during that run from 2013-2018
I mean, all sports but football…
Their mascot creeps me out. Seriously, when they were popular, I had nightmares about that wheat shock guy.
Wichita State was a very good program in the late 70's and early 80's...they were ranked #1 in season a few times during the Antoine Carr /Cliff Levingston years
Indeed. It was a good video but perhaps a bit more historical context on WSU basketball might have improved it.
Agreed, seemed like a missed opportunity not getting the full WSU Basketball history.
The 2014 UK-WSU game was the best game in that tourney. The last 10 minutes was insane with both teams throwing multiple haymakers at each other.
Which never should have taken place in the second round.
ECU fan here. Wichita State was awesome during some of the best years of college basketball imo. NIL has changed basketball so much in just a couple of years. Who knows how the sport will look on this level in 10 years
Saying the MVC was lightly regarded and that pronunciation of la salle told me everything I needed to know
Calling Van Vleet washed is crazy but great video still
As an Illinois State alum, it was always a great time going to watch Wichita State from 2013-2017! It was only right to hate them because they were the rivals but I respected their squad!
Their 2014 loss to Kentucky is right there with 2005 Illinois-UNC, 2008 Memphis-Kansas, 2010 Butler-Duke, and 2015 Wisconsin-Duke in terms of games everyone wishes went the other way.
Speak for yourself
@@ccrawf143No, no. He speaks for everyone.
Fred Van-Vleet is averaging 16 & 8 with the Rockets that's far from being washed
more just being mid he needs to kick it up a gear
He bricked that 3 vs Kentucky to lose the game.
We talking about pro. College basketball is irrelevant
@@bigdogyard the most important shot he ever took--- he bricked.
@@bnegs521 you do realize he hit big shots in the NBA finals. He is a NBA champion that supersedes anything he did in college
“La Sally”
That’s how you know this mf knows some serious ball lol
😂😂😂
Pretty crazy for a MVC team to have 3 NBA players at once
They left the MVC and they fired Greg Marshall. The Marshall firing is the main reason they’ve fallen off, it’s pretty plain and simple to understand when a college program loses its leader/architect, they’re going to change…
Would love to see one of these on the rise and fall of SLU Basketball
That 2013 Final Four run is what turned me into a college basketball fan as a kid. Such a fun team to watch during their peak years
I always loved their name Shockers. The mascot looks neat and I just had to look up and learn the back story about it years ago when they were playing so well.
Paul Mills will get them back on track. They have decent players and Mills could help them with recruiting
Lets fucking hope😭😭🤞🤞
Shocker Fan and Season Ticket Holder here: Hopefully we can get back on top. Coach Mills could help this city out a lot!!
Wichita State did have it going on for quite awhile but don’t feel bad no program in any sport has fallen more then UNLV basketball.
Sometimes a coach just has the correct formula to win in a place - whether it be Marshall at Wichita, Chaney at Temple, Sampson at Houston, Stevens at Butler, Carlesimo at Seton Hall, etc. They succeed wildly in a place where no one else has been able to match their results.
Their mistake was leaving the MVC. That conference has evolved into one of the most underrated conferences (like, you can make an argument comparing it to the A10 at this point) for the AAC where it's just too far above their head. Too low population of a state to handle three legitimate powerhouses at state schools
I agree...had they'd stayed in the MVC they'd be a little bit more competitive especially with these mid major conferences changes it kinda takes away from building a great conference...just like BYU going to the Big 12..if they woulda stayed in the WCC they'd be the best school in that conference
as someone who use to go to WSU games Thank You for the Video
The committee loves to screw with small teams who have good Years. They have two tactics that they use. They will put them with another very good small school so that one of them gets Taken Out or they give them a tough draw with a established program. Usually they like to group all the sleeper teams in one region so that only one can come out.
Ginger in the most educated casual I’ve ever seen
That would make him not a casual
@@drhouse6165 no no, it makes him exactly what I said
that is a perfect description of him
He’s just reading their Wikipedia page 😂
@@brodyvaughn1260 only on like 10% of his vids lol
What website did u use
wikipedia
@@whatlol_e ty
Can you do the rise and fall of Iowa wrestling?
thanks from Wichita
I never knew van fleet was on this team back then 🤯 now he’s in the nba wow
How is vanvleet washed
Can you do a rise and fall on VCU?
Smart left. End of story hahaha
Real ones remember the legend of Ron Baker
the MVC sends multiple teams to the tourney every year man
This was a great video! I remember as a kid being "shocked" at how good witicha state was.
Also I don't think it's fair to call vanvleet washed he stills puts up decent numbers
They’ve crashed hard like VCU
Bro what? Vcu was just 27-7 last year and made the tourney. Vcu is also like 18-8 this year. Wichita is 10-16
Was a big fan of Gregg Marshall when he was at Winthrop
I remember when Wichita State upset Dayton in the NCAA tournament in 2017. Shame to see them have a collapse in recent years, but it doesn't suprise me.
They Used to Have Football Too.
La Sally. No wonder WSU won that one they were just playing one French girl.
Three days since i watched this vid and i can't get that out of my head.
OK Kylie 😏
I won a pile of money in the tourney that year Wichita St was 32-0. Their bracket was insane with underseeded UK the 8 seed, prime Pitino Louisville the 4, and Michigan the 2 when they were rolling. I took UK to get to the finals in a big money tourney pool of like 500 entries and they actually made it with a couple of late 3s in a tourney full of upsets. No one in the pool had the team that beat UK to win it, UCONN. So i won first prize. Probably lost all that money back since then. Cool story bro😂.
My bracket pools always let you have 3 brackets and as the son of a UCONN alum and someone who grew up in CT, I was the only one insane enough to pick the 7 seed to win, but I have to do one every year with them winning
Who?
So when teams like Louisville get their championship vacated, was the entire tournament that year a waist of time and money? Did the runner-up claim it that year, or is there not one?
Remember when they were like 30-0 or something one season and then they faced Kentucky and got burned.
did you watch the video?
@@bestfoodreviews2770 yea, made the comment before he covered that tho lol.
@@isaiahevans4930 💀 i figured
I like the new coach will take time to build. Loved those ron baker years. Hes the reason im still a fan. Also if GM wasn't a total lunatic he'd pry be winning games for us still!
FYI Louisville got their title back
averaging 16.5 ppg almost 4 boards and 8 apg idk how you can say fred vanvleet is washed
Cool mascot.
side note: I don't expect anyone to play Cal Poly in the tournament because they've been so bad for so long now. i know it was just a small bit but just sad to see their A.D just not care about the program
During their peak years they tested the refs to see if they’d be willing to foul out every single player… that was part of their success/ strategy, and it was ugly.
Do a rise and fall of WCW pro wrestling
“Lightly regarded league” yea okay 😂 the Missouri Valley had four teams in the NCAA Tournament in 2006 and arguably should have had six. The MVC may have been the best conference outside of the power conferences.
one of his better videos
fred vanvleet has dropped off a bit in terms of production, but he is far from "washed" as an nba player
Winthrop, is in rock Hill, sc.
Do the fall of the hoosiers! as a fan we are embarrassing we used to be the team people feared in march 😢
It’s almost your time to shine
I liked their logo
They beat Arizona in 2016, not Arkansas.
“La Sally” lol
The downfall was cuz we had an incompetent AD that had no idea what he was doing and fired Marshall and hired a third tier assistant (that was so unqualified) for that job and set the program back 5 years
Yeah Fred Van Fleet is not washed lol. 16 pts 8 rebounds 4 assists = not washed.
But where the Rockets are at, I don't think Van Fleet is washed but in my city, its either they barely get in the postseason but battling in the play in tournament or tank, but its due to having the Nets' pick from the Harden trade not long ago & also having OKC's pick as well, but in the NBA the issue is even being a little under .500 isn't good enough to make moves to get Top 5 players in a draft
So they're like the Boise State of college basketball?
No because Noise State has only had one or two "down" seasons where they still made the post season lol
That's Gonzaga!
They should have stayed in the MVC
They should have went all in for coach Cal
They had the horrible luck of facing a loaded Kentucky team
NCAA purposely misseeded UK
My hometown......yokes
They should've stayed in the Missouri Valley Conference......end of story.
Dumb idea
TheIR basketball and baseball program got them in the AAC. They have not lived up to the expectations. I happen to be a big a a c fan and i'm disappointed On how they have performed. I like them though and there is hope. But we were expecting a little more
As a southern Illinois fan I couldn't be happier about the fall
It's "LaSalle" not "LaSally" Ginger! It's a French name, bro!! Nice video, though!
la sally
Averaging 17-6-4 for five straight seasons is “basically washed” for an NBA player? 😭
FVV was an All Star two years ago and isn’t even 30 yet.
Great video though
Just remember when my Cards beat them in the final four!
Come on man 😢 I’m an eagles fan to but this year let’s his downlow till we win this chip
If that when the black player broke his leg?
@@alia1824Kevin ware. Yes. One of the craziest and most brutal injuries in sports history in my opinion.
Vacated; doesn’t exist.
La who again??LaSally ???
This guy always shows his ignorance. We are talking about a dude who does ball field rating videos based upon what he sees on tv.
College basketball was better when they was good I remember Fred in college
winthrup
calling la salle "la'sally" is crazy
Do George Mason
Ginger with another FUMBLE 😂🤦🏽♂️
That UK team should not have been an 8 seed.
Saying Fred is washed is crazy, like how lmao do you watch?
That was a fraud undefeated season, that was the first year in MVC with no Creighton
AAC desperately needs them to be good also.
Arizona not Arkansas dude
MVC is one of the best MM leagues in college basketball you clearly don’t know ball
far from this opera forevermore
Greggggg Marshall was classless. And so was his wife.
Two in the pink, one in the stink
SKIP
Horrible video, narrator sounds like he just pulled his rig out of the crick down in the holler. Talks bad about Fred as a recruit. Says how "some" didn't even have him listed. Never mentions any names of lists Fred wasn't on.
"La Sally" ??
VanVleet washed???
Same happened to butler
No not really. Just Brad stevens left
Wichita state beat Arizona in 2016 not Arkansas.
Marshall’s drunken wife taunting Kansas is a bad look.
Lmfao i dont see you on the court. Keep 316 out yo mouth
You tried… not very hard 😂
There big mistakes witchta was leaving Missouri valley conference for aac
money money mpney money
@@jaevrae76 how true
Yeah making a ton of extra money must really suck
Lol. Nope.
I Agree, I worked at WSU at the time and said it was a bad move. The conference is now essentially Conference USA, we had deep ties/rivalries in the Mo Vally
You aren't very knowledgeable. I guess the confidence with which you mispronounce things is sort of admirable though?