I really do appreciate the short length of your mini videos. The subject is described and concise, it’s not mixed in with a whole bunch of other stories making the video length too long, it’s just perfect for me. Thank you for what you’re doing for the EV industry and for us. Your dedication is truly appreciated.
Hi, Sam. I'm another Sam. The Nevada factory is not near Las Vegas. It is near Clark, Nevada (zip code 89437), about 450 miles north (about half an hour East of Reno).
Tesla was smart to give the Semi truck to Pepsi Bottling Group in Sacramento, CA for fleet evaluation. The Sacramento location allows Tesla to test the Semi in some very tough driving conditions, especially going uphill over Donner Summit to Reno, NV on Interstate 80, drive through the desert-like summer conditions of the southern Central Valley, and going over the very long grades over Tejon Pass between the unincorporated towns of Grapevine, CA and Castaic, CA. And would be well-suited for winter testing if we get the usual snowfallss over Donner Summit.
@@oldbloke204 It's CA push for EVs so they got a grant. But it's nothing new Oil companies have been getting government grants and tax cuts for decades and people were fine with it.
Besides wanting to make sure they've got the design right, Tesla's main hurdle is supplying the batteries. These monsters require a shitload of batteries per truck! Battery production needs to increase enormously to ramp the truck production numbers.
Tesla semi uses 2170 - doubtless Panasonic for quality. At least the cars, the 3 & Y can use a variety, say CATL or BYD LFP. Panasonic are reluctant to massively ramp production of 2170, I don’t know why. 4680 is ramping at exponential rate, will eventually supply semi, maybe in 18 months. Can standard range semi use LFMP? That’d get interesting.
@@iandavies4853I'd say the short range might be supplemented with the LGFMP battery the issue is that weight is a concern even for the short range version. But just there's a part of the market that's not as concerned with weight limits think light weight deliveries so potato chips are a prime suspect also like cardboard boxes. So it's a portion of the market so having a cheaper option is quite useful even if this restain the weight of the transported goods.
@@iandavies4853the Japanese are very different from us I used to deal with them all the time their culture is to "save face " all the time ... To not disappoint or keep you promise.. so if the won't commit to larger volumes they are not 200% sure they can deliver ... 😮
@@fwskungen208 Panasonic 2170 cells are 250 Wh/kg, so 500 kWh weigh 2,000 kg. Working up to pack level, using 186 Wh/kg, 500 kWh is 2,700 kg. CATL LFMP are about 220 Wh/kg, so 500 kWh is 2,270 kg, say 3,000 kg pack weight. BEV trucks are allowed extra 1,000 odd kg weight. Most trucks can be shorter range. I don’t see an issue, total no brainer. But I don’t have skin in the game, it’s just an opinion, desktop guesses.
@@customsolutions7167 thanks for observation. Panasonic used to dominate batteries, now CATL has rushed past. Nevada was huge gamble. Paid off in spades now. I’ve no faith in LG / SKI.
That’s fantastic news. I was hoping that this period was being used to ground truth the semi trailer. My belief is that this is the future of truck transport and their introduction will revolutionise the industry. However, in conjunction with the strength and capacity of proving design there must be trucking recharge infrastructure built. To me the really huge demand for this product will be Europe. In Europe you cannot drive a truck or bus for more than 3 hours and a long haul is 7 hours. The future belongs to those that can see it coming. The electric semi is the future. Cheers Viking.
Well... There are trucks and trucks, as well as there are routes and routes, short-haul and long-haul. That said, me thinks that those Tesla Semi trucks will be used mostly in short-haul trips and perhaps their main market will be for very specific tasks. Pepsi being one of the first "bed test" users is not occasional. Those trucks will most likely to be used for regional distribution or local and regional logistics. Think: A cargo ship comes with several TEU on them. One of those trucks will come to the port, charge one of those TEU and deliver it to the logistical center some 25Km away. Another of those trucks will to distribute part of the goodies that come inside those TEU for the cities in a 300Km range round the logistical center. That's for what those trucks will be used. I'm not wondering long-haul trips on those Tesla Semi or equivalent trucks in the next few years to come. Sadly for those purposes the best compromising solution to date between economically and environmentally sustainable transportation seems to be LNG, and that will be the future for the times being and for the next decades to come.
You are correct. 62 percent of truck routes are less than 500 miles. This truck will work fine for that. I'm sure Tesla will have longer range trucks in a few years but these trucks will be fine for the majority of routes. Realistically, if you're a single driver you can't legally exceed 715 miles per day. If you're driving as a team, that's a different matter but team driving is not very common percentage wise.
@@Ryan-ff2db many miss the fact that the range was a choice by Tesla. The paradigm is different for trucks vs cars. With a truck, range (battery size) is a pure tradeoff with freight capacity. Clearly the technology can now cope with that compromise; decent range and decent capacity, at the same time. And this is just Mk 1. Within 5 years, subsequent versions will have exceptional freight capacity, and charging infrastructure will easily support 715 miles per day with nothing more than mandatory rests.
Yes, I agree. EV trucks will be a great benefit. We absolutely need clean and powerful trucks for surface transportation, ships and trains too. The EV trend will be exponential as the designs are worked out. Might take another or even several more years. That is really not very long at all. But very good to know Tesla has continued to develop and produce these attractive and useful 1st gen Semi EVs for Pepsi and for real-world data.
The biggest benefit of electric semis is not going up hill, it’s going DOWNhill. Diesel semis can run out of control going down steep inclines and in fact mountain roads often have runaway truck emergency lanes. Electric trucks can actually use regen braking to eliminate runaway trucks and get energy back into the battery at the same time. This is a huge benefit and may make runaway truck lanes obsolete.
@@robertfonovic3551 In Colorado, they are the worst state for this, they had In 2020, 30 uses of runaway truck lanes recorded, while 2021 had 32 and 2022 spiked to 44, so it is still very much a present issue. In 2019, a Texas driver whose brakes failed as he descended Mount Vernon Canyon on I-70 was responsible for a horrific crash and a 28-vehicle pileup that killed four people and injured six others.
Diesel semis have engine compression braking... Most crashes are causes by foreign drivers who don't understand how to descend hills safely. They just use the friction brakes.
I think they're approach is spot on, definitely better to be safe than sorry in such an extreme application. I think they're doing great in the field haven't heard much lately so we'll see but I think it's going great all in all.
I commented as far back as nine months ago that the holdup to the Semi was - 4680 battery hell. Gonna double down on that; when they have those cells rolling out in the volume they originally planned for the CT and the Semi will be built in numbers. And they need to do it soon ... because the eCascadia is not NEARLY as good, but it IS available! And FLEET buyers who spend a $100 million on trucks (think about how many trucks Kroger buys) are going to look at the economics. Pepsi is getting a tremendous amount of goodwill and advertising out of the Semi. I read that Coca Cola is starting to run the eCascadia, so Tesla's lead is at risk if they don't get their act together.
They're going to need every 4680 they make for CT. They said current 4680 production is enough for an annual run rate of 24k, so they'll have to 10x battery production in order to build 250k a year.
@@darylfoster7944the pilot line for 4680 already cranked out enough for 24k CTs (in about 16 weeks). 3 more lines at GTX and several more at GNV is likely to prove Roiters wrong.
@@Berretotube the scumbag scammer deserves to be broke and in jail.....where is your FSD?.....Its coming soon enough... im guessing his work at space X is keeping the government off his back for the time being ... as they have given him a few hundred million.....and don't want to look STUPID
People need to remember the Semi that Tesla is going to market with a use case for single day trips. That is why no sleeper on the design, if we can just deploy these day cabs inside high traffic areas of cities, we get a big win for better breathing. Charging only needs to be located in truck terminals to execute this use case.
Tesla Semi needs a specialized charger, so I think the main indicator for mass deployment will be a growing network of those chargers. Do you know if somebody's tracking it?
Well, having expanded the Supercharger network from nothing to a near-worldwide network of 50,000+ superchargers as annual delivery of their cars grew into the millions, it's not like they don't have a model for doing exactly that.
I like to know and maybe you can explain to me why don't they use a top of the trailer that they're hauling and put all across the trailer with solar panels to extend the range put a plug-in hook up to the battery and a meter to meet her everything it's not like they use the top of the trailer for anything.
I wonder how many of those SEMI's have the 48V system. I remember somebody saying that Tesla needs redo their test program and that takes about a year. The production version will have 48V electrical system.
The Nevada Tesla factory is much closer to San Francisco than Las Vegas. Tesla Gigafactory is 480 miles from Las Vegas, while it's 262 miles from San Francisco. Reno is the nearest major city in Nevada to the factory.
@@robertfonovic3551The Tesla Semi is in regular use on dozens of routes right now. Tesla has two in regular rotation carrying batteries from Sparks to Fremont. Pepsi is using Semis every day on 21 routes, and there are at least another 50 out in the field I don't know what anyone else is eating, but clearly you have been consuming a steady diet of FUD.
If you saw my post, the Sacramento, CA operating base allows the Semi to operate in some really tough driving conditions. That should offer feedback on how to improve the Semi.
Sure they will. What are they not taking orders then. ? And Bidens new hydrogen investment subsidies specifically for heavy transport vehicles. How will that effect the EV truck market?
Tesla is doing a good job, but this is pretty much how a new vehicle is developed. What they are doing is not unusual. I think they are going to have a hell of a truck, and will sell all they can build.
What about a discussion on the bulk cement truck in Melbourne just recently? What are the thoughts on that? I thought Semi production would be about 5 per month as a minimum. Concentrating on trucks is so important, but it still needs a lot more research and testing in my personal opinion.
Just by the way, Giga Nevada is as far away from the Los Vegas Strip as Cobar is from Sydney. Or the Tesla Femont factory is from San Clemente. I appreciate your surprise at Tesla producung 60 -70 prime movers to prototype these sort of routes, internally, solely within their own logistics. Compare Daimler's roll out of firm specs and prices of their 300 mile equivalent, with prototypes going out to 50 customers in 2024.
I hope they get the design solidified as soon as possible to get many many ev semis on the road .. sick and tired of how loud they are .. the niose as well as air polition has to stop ..😮😢
These trucks are what is needed access the delivery system last mile delivery like fed x and ups And long range if you have quick charge you could run teem drivers cover longer distances for long range. Dose not matter if you are carrying booze or beans as long as it gets their own time
The math on this has been done, and it doesn't work out. Covering the roof with solar panels would add an average of 13 or so miles of range; but the added weight and aerodynamic drag would reduce the range by about the same amount, and the weight would detract from the already-marginal payload.
Edison Motors makes an electric truck that is considered a hybrid, but the ICE only charges the much smaller battery. 280 KW in the Edison vs 900 KW for Tesla Semi and ~ 125KW for the Cybertruck. It gets much better fuel efficiency b/c the ICE runs at optimum power always. The battery can be charged by plugging in, (overnight?). I see this as an intermediary vehicle until battery tech gets a lot better. I think ICE trucks will be with us for some time as some jobs just can not run on electric alone - yet.
The Edison is a neat truck but it is a EV truck built specifically for logging. It runs up the mountains where it is loaded with logs and uses regen braking going down. If the lumber mill is not close they transfer the logs to an ICE truck to finish the trip. I would not use this to draw any comparisons.
The Edison truck looks to be a great product for it's particular application. The engine in the Edison is more efficient than typical diesel trucks. But it is not more efficient than a BEV truck.
@@danharold3087 That's not accurate at all. The prototype is a logging truck, but the tech will be used for any truck. One of their first customers wants a retrofit done to their oilfield service rig. Also, the only reason the logs are transfered to a highway truck is so the off-road truck doesn't need to used taxed diesel.
Freight lines could use the “pass the torch” relay method to speed up the transport of goods. As a truck arrives to a Supercharger, drops the load that is then picked up by another truck that is charged already, and then follows to the next supercharger. In the Medan time the other truck is already charged and is able to pick upo the load of the next truck that arrives to the supercharger.
This is an interesting idea. The truck drivers that usually comment on these videos show a strong attachment to their present work flow and a remarkable inflexibility towards any alterations. Perhaps these are the paid anti-EV campaigners, or just old skeptics. I do think there will be changes to work patterns over time to adapt to the new technology. Perhaps this will be one of them.
@@tysonn4736 That's a bit optimistic, and probably based on Megachargers >1 MW. But the current standard is 750 kW Megachargers; and during the Run On Less tests Tesla Semis demonstrated charging from 0% to 80% in about one hour, and 0% to 100% in about two hours.
Like the CT the Tesla Semi is a world beater right now. Those batteries are the sticking point, Tesla is right to take it slow and not rush either vechicle as these are work vechicles (even if many CT are just for camping users and posers, like me) they have to be robust enough to take the strain
With close to 4 million truck drivers in America, you would need a whole lot more chargers for these trucks and we are still woefully short of charger for BEV's.
It takes time to gen up the infrastructure, but it is happening. Recent deals Tesla made with BP and even Mercedes and Ford all point to increased chargers and networks. The US government is trying to get a charger no more than 50 miles apart on highways. The transition from horses to cars happened really fast once a critical point was achieved. The transition to EVs will happen very fast once the infrastructure achieves a specific state.
The difference is that they have their own standard, you know how many there are, where they will go, and when. They are building out infrastructure within a tightly controlled environment. Phillip.
The good thing about trucks is they almost always stick to major routes when transporting goods and there are already massive lots used for truck stops that can be expanded for chargers. Short haul trucks will charge at their home base and will rarely use external chargers. 62 percent of truck routes are less than 500 miles. These stats show that not only are EV trucks viable in most cases, they actually have some serious advantages. The build out of chargers will take time for sure but not as long as the build out for passenger cars as they'll need significantly less chargers overall.
I totally agree with you on Charging for Trucks. In the short run, first few years, they will go to fleets where dedicated charging can be provided. I expect to see something pivotal when EV trucks arrive in numbers.
The largest cause of accents for large trucks is the brakes overheating and causing accidents. This is especially a problem when going down higher inclination mountain highways. Regen breaking with large electric trucks will largely eliminate this problem, just one more example why large electric trucks are better than diesel ones.
Have you never heard of jake brakes? Engine compression braking has been in use for decades. The primary reason brakes overheat is because of the untrained work VISA drivers who don't know any better than riding the friction brakes downhill.
@@randgrithr7387 Of course I know about engine braking but that doesn't change the fact that break failure is still the biggest cause of Class A truck accidents and a significant proportion of these occur when trucks are traveling down long steep declines.
Class 8 trucks might be 1%, but they're on the road way more than any other class of truck or car per 24hrs, of course their emissions are higher!. A better metric would be emissions per kg/lb moved. In which case they'd be the CLEANEST.
This is wonderful, however, they still produce a very large amount of CO2 emissions and are responsible for around 30,000 premature deaths every year in the US.
@@davidmenasco5743 I was merely correcting the twisted narrative. Just like I’m going to correct your equally twisted reply… 80% of the electricity produced in the US comes from… Burning fossil fuel! Which kills far more people than vehicle emissions! Hmmm btw, I drive an EV, but live in a country where the majority of electricity produced is from renewable sources.
Existing Semis have limited lifetimes. Could the increase of diesel units being replaced by electric units on the road occur at an exponential rate? What is the potential percentage decrease of diesel pollutants over a given period of time?
I do think Edison has a great product with their diesel hybrid that gives peak efficiency and all of the torque of electric. We should have been using something like that for the last ten years while we transitioned.
@iscadean The machines that mine raw materials for your single-occupant electric vehicles run on fossil fuels. Tesla ignores this fact, while Edison is electrifying the oil&gas industry. Which makes a better impact on the world?
I'll believe it when I see it. Elon Musk is claiming 1.7 kwh per mile. Just have a think about invertor losses, copper losses, hysteresis losses, wiring loom resistance, rolling resistance, mechanical friction, air resistance... do you really believe it?
@@robertfonovic3551You must eat a lot of FUD!! These Semis are used by Pepsi at a soft drink depot in Sacramento. There is a profile of it at the website of NACFE. They do not haul chips, only drinks. One of the routes is 450 miles.
That must be a great site. The Tesla Semi (and other electric big rigs) is one of just a few EVs in the US that I have never seen in person. I'm jealous!
I think there is no reason why Tesla doesn't build a bigger battery say 65 mmx160mmm Space is not a problem unlike under the floor of a car . Simply put a 65160 battery has 4 times the battery capacity as a 4680 As height doesn't change production speed only the diameter dose they could probably produce 3 times the energy capacity each shift . Maybe Tesla reverts to a liquid not the new dry formate (that is causing all the delays ) . This would free up 4680 for model 3 and Y thus solving the $7500 tax rebate . These larger batteries could also be used in Mega packs and power walls . These bigger batteries Amy also fit the Cyba truck . They could also lay these batteries flat for the Model 2 when it comes out .
Class 8 trucks will better utilize batteries because they are on the road all the time unlike cars. The economics, pollution and safety benefits will make the big truck transition fast and break the FUD. Old ICE trucks will serve hard to electrify routes for a long time.
Sam, I think that batteries are not constraint for the semi vehicles. Because they run mainly on manganese batteries, and these can be bought. Definitely for low numbers like 100 trucks. I have an estimated guess that the production rate will be 1000 a month in twelve months. This is based on nothing, just a wishful guess. We wait for next product event at Tesla, I will ask this question.
One size does not fit all in the trucking industry. As it stands the Tesla semi is a local delivery out to a 12 hour round trip truck. In order to accommodate the longer hauls, it will need to have a sleeper unit, so drivers can actually sleep in there trucks, when the need arises.
Freight companies often keep the truck moving and swap the driver. No need for cabovers. Pepsi did this during run for less and the truck made something like 1080 miles in one day. The truck charged twice IIRC. This was not a run to see how far the truck would go but an actual trip and load.
@@robertfonovic3551 Tesla's famous 500 mile run from central California to San Diego was fully loaded. 82,000 pounds. Pepsi makes soft drinks, not crisps. Water is 1 kg/ litre.
I hope Tesla can make a European version. The "nose" of the truck is to long on Norwegian roads. And, Norway have begun the transition. Tesla can help to accelerate the transition faster. We need a longer slot for the charging, and 500-1000 kw chargers. Now the trucks are using the infrastructure for cars.
I think people don’t take into account when it comes to teslas role out and financials, that they are investing huge amounts into building factories that legacy auto manufacturers don’t have to do. It’s a huge cost and delay to set up these factories and the company has only been around less than 15 years.
So, total production to date is 100😮 and it will according to Tesla cost 100k 😅. It may reach mass production, however the cost will more than a " traditional " truck.
The up front cost will be more, but the cost of fuel and maintenance will be much much less. The reason the trucking industry is taking interest in BEV trucks is, they stand to gain HUGE savings in overall transportation costs.
Tesla Semis aren't designed, intended, or marketed for that application. However, one did cover 1,076 miles in one day-with two drivers, of course-during the Run On Less tests in September, which is pretty close to the maximum per day permitted by HOS regulations and California truck speed limits.
@@BigBen621 most trucks are going all week .. 7 days often 24 hours a day .. maybe a Tesla should actually team up and make an epic hybrid truck rather than full electric
@@MrBigbangbuzz Explain the logistics of 24 hour operation. How many drivers? Are they filling up from a moving vehicle like a midair refueling tanker? How does this work with federal and state regulations about the number of hours a driver can be on the road?
@@incognitotorpedo42 I know when my mate drove .. shifts were 8-16 hours .. maybe a couple of 1 hour breaks .. truck was then used for night shift .. so when is there time to recharge ? Janus Australia are trying swap batteries .. hasn’t worked well so far with 2 of its 24 trucks self combusting
The infrastructure to support these trucks is a serious problem. Setting up truck stops all over the place with dozens of 1MW chargers is no small task, neither is being able to support that electrical demand.
1% of vehicles producing 20% of emissions actually means that the trucks are fairly low emission vehicles when you consider the work they do and size(s) of the vehicles. If you were to compare them to say motorcycles you'd find all things considered the motorcycles would be far greater polluters.
I think, in terms of damage done per unit of work done, you're probably quite right. Of course, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be electrified ASAP. Diesel truck emissions are responsible for around 30,000 premature deaths every year in the US, irrespective of how much work they do.
Nice story for average jo! Hope you know 1 liter of diesel is equal to 10KW. Semi truck usually have 1000+liters diesel tank. That is a lot of batteries to replace that diesel..? Not even mentioning the amount of mass you introduce when trying to replace that energy you get from diesel. 1 Kw battery is around 4 kg.... you do the math and will quickly realize....Tesla Semi is just a nice pr thing but nothing serious...
The other 64% of vehicle particulate emissions are from personal vehicles - in US, pickups. Particularly those rolling coal, over-injecting outside manufacturers specs. Or just under-serviced fuel injectors. At least fleets are subject to professional standards. Individuals? Not so much. More peer-group & hormones.
Dyson actually designed a device that spun the particulates out of a trucks exhaust. As with most Dyson products it was too expensive so the trucking companies didn't take it up. Like the Dyson car it's probably on s shelf somewhere with lots of patents locked in a vault. I'll believe the Semi when I see it. Shouldn't it be stainless steel now and the trailers have rear wheel steering?
@@incognitotorpedo42: From context, I believe he means in serious volume (and of course didn't say that, so we can't be sure). Also, serious volumes would mean all the major issues, like enough batteries, are worked out instead of "will be worked out in Elon time).
@@incognitotorpedo42 Elon told investors it was good to go in 2019, ready for production. Some people are gullible optimists. Next year or the year after BS for a decade.
You do know it was announced near 7 years ago? And how many years did it take before that until they had something to bring out on stage? All those years to build a factory to make the thing but no sign of one. Still no full self driving being talked about for the truck or rear wheel steering for the trailer maybe? The specs on the drive train has changed so is the claim that it cannot jack-knife still valid? Still no independant reviews. I'm not saying it's vaporware I'm just disappointed it's not being seen all over the country. I was in Amsterdam 4 years ago and saw electric UPS trucks in use. Look how Optimus has progressed in only two years from a fool in a suit dancing on stage. Where is the same progression with the Semi? Why are the 3 and Y being tinkered with instead of putting every engineer on the Semi? Wall St. doesn't move on what may be in the future, Semi, FSD, dancing robots, Dojo, they deal with what is and so far these things to them are mere distractions. What the hell happened with solar tiles? Home H-Vac systems will be announced soon and we'll all take our eye off the ball again to faun over that. Or will it be the cheaper model car which looks like it will be of no use to anyone with a family as it maybe just a 2 seater. I'm still buying shares and how long will I have to wait for my Cybertruck? You still can't touch one in a showroom.@@incognitotorpedo42
Here's what I don't get about the Semi. I believe in order for the Semi to make financial sense, they talked about $.07/kWh energy yet Tesla charges around $.34/kWh on average at Superchargers. So is Tesla just fleecing all of us on energy prices on our road trips or will the Semi never make financial sense compared to diesel trucks. Side Note: I spent 7 years working for the largest distributor of Peterbilt and International class 8 trucks back in the early 2000's.
@@vancity2349 Initial diesel semi cost plus maintenance is more than than a Tesla Semi only if the cost per kWh is low enough and Tesla made that argument by saying that cost would be $.07/kWh but if the energy cost is going to be $.34/kWh then the Tesla Semi will never be cheaper.
@@vancity2349 Here's the math for you. Diesel is currently ~$4/gal and diesel semi can get about 7mpg which leads to $.58/mile. The Tesla Semi uses 1.7kWh to drive 1 mile and if energy is $.34/kWh this would lead to $.58/mile. So yes, you have maintenance costs on a diesel semi but it also costs $50k-$150k less than a Tesla Semi. That would buy a lot of prepaid maintenance plans. So, I'm just surprised that no one talks about the energy costs when considering whether companies will continue to adopt the Tesla Semi. I also get that companies may run their own Semi Superchargers and pay more of a wholesale cost for energy but that leads me back to my other point of isn't Tesla just fleecing us at the Supercharger?
@@vancity2349 and to follow my Supercharger costs rant, I used to be able to road trip on Superchargers at a cost of ~$.03/mile in a Model S and now that cost is ~$.10/mile. My home energy cost didn't triple so why did the Supercharger prices? And yes I understand that Cali and Hawaii and some other areas have high energy costs but I don't road trip in those areas.
The Semi would be charged at truck depots, not at Tesla Superchargers. The energy cost at the depot would be whatever the truck owners could negotiate with their energy provider. Tesla would not set that rate.
I assume you're unaware that the "recall" is actually an over-the-air update, which for me took place in about 25 minutes while my Tesla was parked in my garage charging. Meanwhile, Honda is recalling 2.6 million cars for fuel pump issues, which require the car to actually be taken to a Honda dealer and left while the repairs are made.
Well, so far it's only reached the depths of our imaginations and our trust in marketing. Can't wait to see how it performs when it is fully independently tested by a source that does not have a commercial interest. I wonder why Tesla has not submitted the semi for such appraisal, yet? Odd?
Nah, some of the older trucks blow lots of particles but the newer have to run detergents in the exhaust stream to get licensed. Electric is good but the trucks over all will have variable batt packs and some will drag going up hills and god forbid having the batt pack fail going uphill,, lane will be closed and traffic backed up for miles.
Sounds exactly like what happens if a diesel semi fails going up hill. Why do you imagine this will happen any more frequently with electric semis than with diesel semis, which I see on the side of the road with the hood up all the time?
@@BigBen621 Not 'all the time' lol, Electric once dead, empty, will require quite powerful charging and Batt cell failure cannot be monitored or repaired if only one cell, or 2 or 200 even have failed. After 300,000 miles I think it will be like a ICE tractor and simply wearing out. I don't believe a electric tractor will be circulated without a 'emergency pack' or reservoir to get the tractor to a safe stopping point- roadside. Diesels run out of fuel but have 200+ gallon tanks for 1200 miles so on daily, running out of fuel is unlikely. Electrics need 600+ miles capacity really, to be safe maybe 700, but the independents will want equivalent to 300 gallons as they dedicate to longer miles per day at 70 MPH and drive 75 MPH, perhaps 78. I new some guys driving with 2 log books doing 8-900 miles a day. What would take me 4 days to cross the country they do in 3 or 2.5 days with a partner 2 days! Insane hours that drains ya something terrible after a few years of that!
Again, please start the public schools buses. They are still stinking up the roads with Diesel fuel! The children are going to have breathing issues. Parents need to be educated..
Tesla needs to test until it's failure rate is considerably below that of diesel trucks or it will have egg on its face. Do you recall the flap when the parking brake control was recalled by Bendix. Tesla made the news but the same part was used and recalled in several different brands of trucks. Tesla got the bad press.
I really do appreciate the short length of your mini videos. The subject is described and concise, it’s not mixed in with a whole bunch of other stories making the video length too long, it’s just perfect for me. Thank you for what you’re doing for the EV industry and for us. Your dedication is truly appreciated.
Hi, Sam. I'm another Sam. The Nevada factory is not near Las Vegas. It is near Clark, Nevada (zip code 89437), about 450 miles north (about half an hour East of Reno).
GigaNevada is actually just outside of Reno, Nevada, not Las Vegas.... Great videos!
He had to gamble on that one..
Tesla was smart to give the Semi truck to Pepsi Bottling Group in Sacramento, CA for fleet evaluation. The Sacramento location allows Tesla to test the Semi in some very tough driving conditions, especially going uphill over Donner Summit to Reno, NV on Interstate 80, drive through the desert-like summer conditions of the southern Central Valley, and going over the very long grades over Tejon Pass between the unincorporated towns of Grapevine, CA and Castaic, CA. And would be well-suited for winter testing if we get the usual snowfallss over Donner Summit.
@@oldbloke204 Nope, Pepsi and Tesla and the government paid, there is no free lunch.
@@oldbloke204 Believing nothing is a very comfortable position because you never have to use your brain.
@@oldbloke204 It's CA push for EVs so they got a grant. But it's nothing new Oil companies have been getting government grants and tax cuts for decades and people were fine with it.
@@oldbloke204 And you pay 0 to offset the environmental damage of burning said fossil fuels.
Merry Christmas, Sam. Thanks for your research and explanations during the last year. It has been much appreciated.
Besides wanting to make sure they've got the design right, Tesla's main hurdle is supplying the batteries. These monsters require a shitload of batteries per truck! Battery production needs to increase enormously to ramp the truck production numbers.
Tesla semi uses 2170 - doubtless Panasonic for quality.
At least the cars, the 3 & Y can use a variety, say CATL or BYD LFP.
Panasonic are reluctant to massively ramp production of 2170, I don’t know why.
4680 is ramping at exponential rate, will eventually supply semi, maybe in 18 months.
Can standard range semi use LFMP? That’d get interesting.
@@iandavies4853I'd say the short range might be supplemented with the LGFMP battery the issue is that weight is a concern even for the short range version. But just there's a part of the market that's not as concerned with weight limits think light weight deliveries so potato chips are a prime suspect also like cardboard boxes. So it's a portion of the market so having a cheaper option is quite useful even if this restain the weight of the transported goods.
@@iandavies4853the Japanese are very different from us
I used to deal with them all the time their culture is to "save face " all the time ... To not disappoint or keep you promise.. so if the won't commit to larger volumes they are not 200% sure they can deliver ... 😮
@@fwskungen208 Panasonic 2170 cells are 250 Wh/kg, so 500 kWh weigh 2,000 kg.
Working up to pack level, using 186 Wh/kg, 500 kWh is 2,700 kg.
CATL LFMP are about 220 Wh/kg, so 500 kWh is 2,270 kg, say 3,000 kg pack weight.
BEV trucks are allowed extra 1,000 odd kg weight.
Most trucks can be shorter range. I don’t see an issue, total no brainer.
But I don’t have skin in the game, it’s just an opinion, desktop guesses.
@@customsolutions7167 thanks for observation. Panasonic used to dominate batteries, now CATL has rushed past.
Nevada was huge gamble. Paid off in spades now.
I’ve no faith in LG / SKI.
That’s fantastic news. I was hoping that this period was being used to ground truth the semi trailer. My belief is that this is the future of truck transport and their introduction will revolutionise the industry. However, in conjunction with the strength and capacity of proving design there must be trucking recharge infrastructure built. To me the really huge demand for this product will be Europe. In Europe you cannot drive a truck or bus for more than 3 hours and a long haul is 7 hours. The future belongs to those that can see it coming. The electric semi is the future. Cheers Viking.
The future belongs to those that see it coming. Never heard that before but it is so true. Will certainly use it myself
Well... There are trucks and trucks, as well as there are routes and routes, short-haul and long-haul. That said, me thinks that those Tesla Semi trucks will be used mostly in short-haul trips and perhaps their main market will be for very specific tasks. Pepsi being one of the first "bed test" users is not occasional. Those trucks will most likely to be used for regional distribution or local and regional logistics. Think: A cargo ship comes with several TEU on them. One of those trucks will come to the port, charge one of those TEU and deliver it to the logistical center some 25Km away. Another of those trucks will to distribute part of the goodies that come inside those TEU for the cities in a 300Km range round the logistical center. That's for what those trucks will be used. I'm not wondering long-haul trips on those Tesla Semi or equivalent trucks in the next few years to come. Sadly for those purposes the best compromising solution to date between economically and environmentally sustainable transportation seems to be LNG, and that will be the future for the times being and for the next decades to come.
It is not coincidental that the range of the truck is about the range of the driver, without a rest. Rest time = charge time.
You are correct. 62 percent of truck routes are less than 500 miles. This truck will work fine for that. I'm sure Tesla will have longer range trucks in a few years but these trucks will be fine for the majority of routes. Realistically, if you're a single driver you can't legally exceed 715 miles per day. If you're driving as a team, that's a different matter but team driving is not very common percentage wise.
@@Ryan-ff2db many miss the fact that the range was a choice by Tesla. The paradigm is different for trucks vs cars. With a truck, range (battery size) is a pure tradeoff with freight capacity. Clearly the technology can now cope with that compromise; decent range and decent capacity, at the same time. And this is just Mk 1. Within 5 years, subsequent versions will have exceptional freight capacity, and charging infrastructure will easily support 715 miles per day with nothing more than mandatory rests.
Yes, I agree. EV trucks will be a great benefit. We absolutely need clean and powerful trucks for surface transportation, ships and trains too. The EV trend will be exponential as the designs are worked out. Might take another or even several more years. That is really not very long at all. But very good to know Tesla has continued to develop and produce these attractive and useful 1st gen Semi EVs for Pepsi and for real-world data.
The biggest benefit of electric semis is not going up hill, it’s going DOWNhill. Diesel semis can run out of control going down steep inclines and in fact mountain roads often have runaway truck emergency lanes. Electric trucks can actually use regen braking to eliminate runaway trucks and get energy back into the battery at the same time. This is a huge benefit and may make runaway truck lanes obsolete.
That was 50 yrs ago.
@@robertfonovic3551 Yeah, right. ua-cam.com/users/shortsTQcDgkbAi30
Regen braking!
@@robertfonovic3551 In Colorado, they are the worst state for this, they had In 2020, 30 uses of runaway truck lanes recorded, while 2021 had 32 and 2022 spiked to 44, so it is still very much a present issue. In 2019, a Texas driver whose brakes failed as he descended Mount Vernon Canyon on I-70 was responsible for a horrific crash and a 28-vehicle pileup that killed four people and injured six others.
Diesel semis have engine compression braking... Most crashes are causes by foreign drivers who don't understand how to descend hills safely. They just use the friction brakes.
I think they're approach is spot on, definitely better to be safe than sorry in such an extreme application. I think they're doing great in the field haven't heard much lately so we'll see but I think it's going great all in all.
Giga Nevada is in Sparks Nevada. It's near Reno.
Truck are great way of reducing emissions, as that 1% do huge miles, as there on the road as much as possible.
Heehaw
Sam , Tesla Nevada is near Reno not Las Vegas.
I commented as far back as nine months ago that the holdup to the Semi was - 4680 battery hell. Gonna double down on that; when they have those cells rolling out in the volume they originally planned for the CT and the Semi will be built in numbers.
And they need to do it soon ... because the eCascadia is not NEARLY as good, but it IS available! And FLEET buyers who spend a $100 million on trucks (think about how many trucks Kroger buys) are going to look at the economics. Pepsi is getting a tremendous amount of goodwill and advertising out of the Semi.
I read that Coca Cola is starting to run the eCascadia, so Tesla's lead is at risk if they don't get their act together.
Smart move having 100 working prototypes out there. It will be interesting to see the improvements once they go into full production.
Tesla's lead is only at risk if they all stop work and go home.
They're going to need every 4680 they make for CT. They said current 4680 production is enough for an annual run rate of 24k, so they'll have to 10x battery production in order to build 250k a year.
@@darylfoster7944They've also said they're going to expand from 2 production lines to ten for 4680.
@@darylfoster7944the pilot line for 4680 already cranked out enough for 24k CTs (in about 16 weeks). 3 more lines at GTX and several more at GNV is likely to prove Roiters wrong.
Tesla Semi - absolute gamechanger 👊👏
You spelled garbage wrong
@@HAIDARAVEN Yes my apologies - “internal combustion garbage “. Right?
@@Berretotube the scumbag scammer deserves to be broke and in jail.....where is your FSD?.....Its coming soon enough... im guessing his work at space X is keeping the government off his back for the time being ... as they have given him a few hundred million.....and don't want to look STUPID
Lower noise benefits residents who live next to major roads.
As does the lack of poisonous exhaust.
People need to remember the Semi that Tesla is going to market with a use case for single day trips. That is why no sleeper on the design, if we can just deploy these day cabs inside high traffic areas of cities, we get a big win for better breathing. Charging only needs to be located in truck terminals to execute this use case.
Does Tesla mentioned the price of the Semi? That´s the key. NB Particle emissions not particular emissions.....
So do you think they will switch to using the final MCS plug or stick with the MCS prototype?
That's two a week. Try building that. I worked at MACK, Victoria.
Trust me, trucking companies hate maintenance and fuel costs on trucks as it is costly
Don't know where you're from fren but we have climbing lanes in the states.
GigaNV is in Reno, not Vegas
Whi cares? They are both shot holes
The Nevada Tesla factory is closer to Reno and Lake Tahoe. It's not close to Las Vegas at all.
Setting up the infrastructure is the holdup, a lot of money for that.
Tesla Semi needs a specialized charger, so I think the main indicator for mass deployment will be a growing network of those chargers. Do you know if somebody's tracking it?
Tesla has a high capacity charger for these trucks. The rollout of the trucks will have to be matched with installation of the chargers.
Well, having expanded the Supercharger network from nothing to a near-worldwide network of 50,000+ superchargers as annual delivery of their cars grew into the millions, it's not like they don't have a model for doing exactly that.
I like to know and maybe you can explain to me why don't they use a top of the trailer that they're hauling and put all across the trailer with solar panels to extend the range put a plug-in hook up to the battery and a meter to meet her everything it's not like they use the top of the trailer for anything.
I wonder how many of those SEMI's have the 48V system. I remember somebody saying that Tesla needs redo their test program and that takes about a year. The production version will have 48V electrical system.
The Nevada Tesla factory is much closer to San Francisco than Las Vegas. Tesla Gigafactory is 480 miles from Las Vegas, while it's 262 miles from San Francisco. Reno is the nearest major city in Nevada to the factory.
Thank you for the informative 😅😅😅 comment
Sam, we are seeing the Tesla trucks on our local highways.
Sure you have. 😅 have you been eating mushrooms recently?
@@robertfonovic3551The Tesla Semi is in regular use on dozens of routes right now. Tesla has two in regular rotation carrying batteries from Sparks to Fremont. Pepsi is using Semis every day on 21 routes, and there are at least another 50 out in the field
I don't know what anyone else is eating, but clearly you have been consuming a steady diet of FUD.
Remarkable how deliberate Tesla is being with the semi. They’re road testing, iterating, optimising. Then they’ll smash them out in huge numbers.
If you saw my post, the Sacramento, CA operating base allows the Semi to operate in some really tough driving conditions. That should offer feedback on how to improve the Semi.
@@oldbloke204 my old gas guzzling pal!! Horse and buggy and all that 😂😂😂
Sure they will. What are they not taking orders then. ? And Bidens new hydrogen investment subsidies specifically for heavy transport vehicles. How will that effect the EV truck market?
@@oldbloke204 Flogging a dead horse is more to the point.😊
Tesla is doing a good job, but this is pretty much how a new vehicle is developed. What they are doing is not unusual. I think they are going to have a hell of a truck, and will sell all they can build.
What about a discussion on the bulk cement truck in Melbourne just recently? What are the thoughts on that?
I thought Semi production would be about 5 per month as a minimum.
Concentrating on trucks is so important, but it still needs a lot more research and testing in my personal opinion.
A battery cell they knew was bad for two weeks, but did nothing about, caused a fire. Big news.
@@toddwilliams5905 I hear from sources that it was the manufacturers second! I can’t verify that however.
Spot on Sam cheers mate
I think you mean particulate (not 'particular')
Just by the way, Giga Nevada is as far away from the Los Vegas Strip as Cobar is from Sydney. Or the Tesla Femont factory is from San Clemente. I appreciate your surprise at Tesla producung 60 -70 prime movers to prototype these sort of routes, internally, solely within their own logistics. Compare Daimler's roll out of firm specs and prices of their 300 mile equivalent, with prototypes going out to 50 customers in 2024.
I hope they get the design solidified as soon as possible to get many many ev semis on the road .. sick and tired of how loud they are .. the niose as well as air polition has to stop ..😮😢
LOL WHAT A TARD
These trucks are what is needed access the delivery system last mile delivery like fed x and ups And long range if you have quick charge you could run teem drivers cover longer distances for long range. Dose not matter if you are carrying booze or beans as long as it gets their own time
Important
Not started work on putting Solar Panels on trailers as range extenders??
The math on this has been done, and it doesn't work out. Covering the roof with solar panels would add an average of 13 or so miles of range; but the added weight and aerodynamic drag would reduce the range by about the same amount, and the weight would detract from the already-marginal payload.
Edison Motors makes an electric truck that is considered a hybrid,
but the ICE only charges the much smaller battery.
280 KW in the Edison vs 900 KW for Tesla Semi and ~ 125KW for the Cybertruck.
It gets much better fuel efficiency b/c the ICE runs at optimum power always.
The battery can be charged by plugging in, (overnight?).
I see this as an intermediary vehicle until battery tech gets a lot better.
I think ICE trucks will be with us for some time as some jobs just can not run on electric alone - yet.
The Edison is a neat truck but it is a EV truck built specifically for logging. It runs up the mountains where it is loaded with logs and uses regen braking going down. If the lumber mill is not close they transfer the logs to an ICE truck to finish the trip. I would not use this to draw any comparisons.
The Edison truck looks to be a great product for it's particular application.
The engine in the Edison is more efficient than typical diesel trucks. But it is not more efficient than a BEV truck.
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That's not accurate at all. The prototype is a logging truck, but the tech will be used for any truck. One of their first customers wants a retrofit done to their oilfield service rig. Also, the only reason the logs are transfered to a highway truck is so the off-road truck doesn't need to used taxed diesel.
@@randgrithr7387 OK thank for the refresh. Lets see what happens when they use it for other purposes. Hope it goes well.
Here in the states we say sem-eye. A semi is.. something ..else. 😜
They really like there trucks in Australia 🤭
Freight lines could use the “pass the torch” relay method to speed up the transport of goods. As a truck arrives to a Supercharger, drops the load that is then picked up by another truck that is charged already, and then follows to the next supercharger. In the Medan time the other truck is already charged and is able to pick upo the load of the next truck that arrives to the supercharger.
This is an interesting idea. The truck drivers that usually comment on these videos show a strong attachment to their present work flow and a remarkable inflexibility towards any alterations. Perhaps these are the paid anti-EV campaigners, or just old skeptics.
I do think there will be changes to work patterns over time to adapt to the new technology. Perhaps this will be one of them.
The megachargers charge the truck to 80% in 30 minutes. You simply wouldn't save much time by switching the load.
@@tysonn4736 That's a bit optimistic, and probably based on Megachargers >1 MW. But the current standard is 750 kW Megachargers; and during the Run On Less tests Tesla Semis demonstrated charging from 0% to 80% in about one hour, and 0% to 100% in about two hours.
Tesla in NV is in Carson city.
The Tesla Nevada factory is not anywhere close to Las Vegas. The closest town is Sparks Nevada and the closest city is Reno, Nevada.
Like the CT the Tesla Semi is a world beater right now. Those batteries are the sticking point, Tesla is right to take it slow and not rush either vechicle as these are work vechicles (even if many CT are just for camping users and posers, like me) they have to be robust enough to take the strain
With close to 4 million truck drivers in America, you would need a whole lot more chargers for these trucks and we are still woefully short of charger for BEV's.
It takes time to gen up the infrastructure, but it is happening.
Recent deals Tesla made with BP and even Mercedes and Ford all point to increased chargers and networks.
The US government is trying to get a charger no more than 50 miles apart on highways.
The transition from horses to cars happened really fast once a critical point was achieved.
The transition to EVs will happen very fast once the infrastructure achieves a specific state.
The difference is that they have their own standard, you know how many there are, where they will go, and when. They are building out infrastructure within a tightly controlled environment.
Phillip.
Had the same issue with gas stations back in the day.
The good thing about trucks is they almost always stick to major routes when transporting goods and there are already massive lots used for truck stops that can be expanded for chargers. Short haul trucks will charge at their home base and will rarely use external chargers. 62 percent of truck routes are less than 500 miles. These stats show that not only are EV trucks viable in most cases, they actually have some serious advantages. The build out of chargers will take time for sure but not as long as the build out for passenger cars as they'll need significantly less chargers overall.
I totally agree with you on Charging for Trucks. In the short run, first few years, they will go to fleets where dedicated charging can be provided. I expect to see something pivotal when EV trucks arrive in numbers.
The largest cause of accents for large trucks is the brakes overheating and causing accidents. This is especially a problem when going down higher inclination mountain highways. Regen breaking with large electric trucks will largely eliminate this problem, just one more example why large electric trucks are better than diesel ones.
Have you never heard of jake brakes? Engine compression braking has been in use for decades. The primary reason brakes overheat is because of the untrained work VISA drivers who don't know any better than riding the friction brakes downhill.
@@randgrithr7387 Of course I know about engine braking but that doesn't change the fact that break failure is still the biggest cause of Class A truck accidents and a significant proportion of these occur when trucks are traveling down long steep declines.
They can dominate the market
I thought he said that Tesla had over 100 themselves, that means more if you include those other companies
what is the answer? I cant watch a whole video for 1 number
Class 8 trucks might be 1%, but they're on the road way more than any other class of truck or car per 24hrs, of course their emissions are higher!. A better metric would be emissions per kg/lb moved. In which case they'd be the CLEANEST.
This is wonderful, however, they still produce a very large amount of CO2 emissions and are responsible for around 30,000 premature deaths every year in the US.
@@davidmenasco5743 I was merely correcting the twisted narrative. Just like I’m going to correct your equally twisted reply… 80% of the electricity produced in the US comes from… Burning fossil fuel! Which kills far more people than vehicle emissions! Hmmm
btw, I drive an EV, but live in a country where the majority of electricity produced is from renewable sources.
Existing Semis have limited lifetimes. Could the increase of diesel units being replaced by electric units on the road occur at an exponential rate? What is the potential percentage decrease of diesel pollutants over a given period of time?
I don't know. And I don't care.
A whole 100! Credit where it's due Sam, you kept a straight face when you said it!
Go get em Sam
Can you actually order one, today?
Sounds like you are saying particular emissions. If so, you should be saying particulate emissions. Particals in the air.
Dyslexia
Isn't the target 50.000 semi's in 2024?
Not Las Vegas. Reno. Far north of Vegas.
Is that close to far q ?
I do think Edison has a great product with their diesel hybrid that gives peak efficiency and all of the torque of electric. We should have been using something like that for the last ten years while we transitioned.
Someone with rational thought…. Refreshing
@iscadean
The machines that mine raw materials for your single-occupant electric vehicles run on fossil fuels.
Tesla ignores this fact, while Edison is electrifying the oil&gas industry. Which makes a better impact on the world?
@iscadean Average vehicle occupancy is around 1.5 persons per vehicle per trip.
Yes I'd like the transition out of my computer back to a typewriter. Wait that's not transitioning that's actually going backwards
100 is very small. The problem is the shortage of batteries caused by the inability of Tesla to ramp up battery production.
Lets gooo!!!! 🎉
Tesla Semi, Adelaide to Melbourne on one charge. Melbourne to Sydney one stop to charge.
I'll believe it when I see it. Elon Musk is claiming 1.7 kwh per mile. Just have a think about invertor losses, copper losses, hysteresis losses, wiring loom resistance, rolling resistance,
mechanical friction, air resistance... do you really believe it?
I get to see the Pepsi cybertrucks every day or two. They go to mariposa california and oakhurst california for deliveries I live there.
You guys must eat a lot of chips.😅😅😅
Semi and Cybertruck are two very different things.
@@robertfonovic3551You must eat a lot of FUD!!
These Semis are used by Pepsi at a soft drink depot in Sacramento. There is a profile of it at the website of NACFE.
They do not haul chips, only drinks. One of the routes is 450 miles.
That must be a great site. The Tesla Semi (and other electric big rigs) is one of just a few EVs in the US that I have never seen in person.
I'm jealous!
@@robertfonovic3551 We have Yosemite National Park about 2 million people a year ago there. And we're trying to feed them all with pepsi and chips lol
Can't wait.
For what exactly?
@@robertfonovic3551 You'll know it when you see it. Bring marshmallows.
I'm breathing easier already!
AB Volvo made 2238 electric trucks q1 to q3 2023.
Nice
Shitty
I think there is no reason why Tesla doesn't build a bigger battery say 65 mmx160mmm Space is not a problem unlike under the floor of a car . Simply put a 65160 battery has 4 times the battery capacity as a 4680 As height doesn't change production speed only the diameter dose they could probably produce 3 times the energy capacity each shift . Maybe Tesla reverts to a liquid not the new dry formate (that is causing all the delays ) . This would free up 4680 for model 3 and Y thus solving the $7500 tax rebate . These larger batteries could also be used in Mega packs and power walls . These bigger batteries Amy also fit the Cyba truck . They could also lay these batteries flat for the Model 2 when it comes out .
Evening mate
That's only 2 per week this year. If they were ready it would be more.
Class 8 trucks will better utilize batteries because they are on the road all the time unlike cars. The economics, pollution and safety benefits will make the big truck transition fast and break the FUD. Old ICE trucks will serve hard to electrify routes for a long time.
You have stated in three sentences what I've often struggled to say in paragraphs!
Sam, I think that batteries are not constraint for the semi vehicles. Because they run mainly on manganese batteries, and these can be bought. Definitely for low numbers like 100 trucks. I have an estimated guess that the production rate will be 1000 a month in twelve months. This is based on nothing, just a wishful guess. We wait for next product event at Tesla, I will ask this question.
One size does not fit all in the trucking industry. As it stands the Tesla semi is a local delivery out to a 12 hour round trip truck.
In order to accommodate the longer hauls, it will need to have a sleeper unit, so drivers can actually sleep in there trucks, when
the need arises.
They are going to do that.
Short haul 82% of all trucking tonnage
Freight companies often keep the truck moving and swap the driver. No need for cabovers. Pepsi did this during run for less and the truck made something like 1080 miles in one day. The truck charged twice IIRC. This was not a run to see how far the truck would go but an actual trip and load.
@@danharold3087Carrying potato crisps😊😊
@@robertfonovic3551 Tesla's famous 500 mile run from central California to San Diego was fully loaded. 82,000 pounds. Pepsi makes soft drinks, not crisps. Water is 1 kg/ litre.
Tesla needs to get going with the semi. Can use Chinese battery if necessary. No more delay.
I hope Tesla can make a European version. The "nose" of the truck is to long on Norwegian roads.
And, Norway have begun the transition.
Tesla can help to accelerate the transition faster.
We need a longer slot for the charging, and 500-1000 kw chargers.
Now the trucks are using the infrastructure for cars.
I used to think Scandinavians where intelligent. Not all of them obviously 😅
@@robertfonovic3551 Well iq isn't obvious for people on the lower part of the scale....
I think people don’t take into account when it comes to teslas role out and financials, that they are investing huge amounts into building factories that legacy auto manufacturers don’t have to do. It’s a huge cost and delay to set up these factories and the company has only been around less than 15 years.
Particulate emissions
Semi is lthe great untold story of Tesla…
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More like the never ending story.....
@@robertfonovic3551 Troll.
So, total production to date is 100😮 and it will according to Tesla cost 100k 😅. It may reach mass production, however the cost will more than a " traditional " truck.
The up front cost will be more, but the cost of fuel and maintenance will be much much less.
The reason the trucking industry is taking interest in BEV trucks is, they stand to gain HUGE savings in overall transportation costs.
Most trucks are on the road for 16-24 hours a day over multiple shifts with 15 min refill
Tesla Semis aren't designed, intended, or marketed for that application. However, one did cover 1,076 miles in one day-with two drivers, of course-during the Run On Less tests in September, which is pretty close to the maximum per day permitted by HOS regulations and California truck speed limits.
@@BigBen621 most trucks are going all week .. 7 days often 24 hours a day ..
maybe a Tesla should actually team up and make an epic hybrid truck rather than full electric
Mandates with EV and reduced emissions definitely needs to start with the trucking industry rather than passenger cars
@@MrBigbangbuzz Explain the logistics of 24 hour operation. How many drivers? Are they filling up from a moving vehicle like a midair refueling tanker? How does this work with federal and state regulations about the number of hours a driver can be on the road?
@@incognitotorpedo42 I know when my mate drove .. shifts were 8-16 hours .. maybe a couple of 1 hour breaks .. truck was then used for night shift .. so when is there time to recharge ?
Janus Australia are trying swap batteries .. hasn’t worked well so far with 2 of its 24 trucks self combusting
The infrastructure to support these trucks is a serious problem. Setting up truck stops all over the place with dozens of 1MW chargers is no small task, neither is being able to support that electrical demand.
100! The Semi is still a promotional item until they can actually start selling them in the 10,000's
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1% of vehicles producing 20% of emissions actually means that the trucks are fairly low emission vehicles when you consider the work they do and size(s) of the vehicles.
If you were to compare them to say motorcycles you'd find all things considered the motorcycles would be far greater polluters.
Um , Diesel tucks are nasty.
I think, in terms of damage done per unit of work done, you're probably quite right.
Of course, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be electrified ASAP.
Diesel truck emissions are responsible for around 30,000 premature deaths every year in the US, irrespective of how much work they do.
That's Elon's mantra; "iterate before up'n the rate"
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WTF 😅😅
Nice story for average jo! Hope you know 1 liter of diesel is equal to 10KW. Semi truck usually have 1000+liters diesel tank. That is a lot of batteries to replace that diesel..? Not even mentioning the amount of mass you introduce when trying to replace that energy you get from diesel. 1 Kw battery is around 4 kg.... you do the math and will quickly realize....Tesla Semi is just a nice pr thing but nothing serious...
Tesla should ship cars with the Semi, that would give it legitimacy.
The other 64% of vehicle particulate emissions are from personal vehicles - in US, pickups.
Particularly those rolling coal, over-injecting outside manufacturers specs.
Or just under-serviced fuel injectors.
At least fleets are subject to professional standards.
Individuals? Not so much. More peer-group & hormones.
Dyson actually designed a device that spun the particulates out of a trucks exhaust. As with most Dyson products it was too expensive so the trucking companies didn't take it up. Like the Dyson car it's probably on s shelf somewhere with lots of patents locked in a vault. I'll believe the Semi when I see it. Shouldn't it be stainless steel now and the trailers have rear wheel steering?
You'll believe it when you see it? Like you think the thousands of extant videos are ALL CGI? What an easy attitude to have. No thought required.
@@incognitotorpedo42: From context, I believe he means in serious volume (and of course didn't say that, so we can't be sure).
Also, serious volumes would mean all the major issues, like enough batteries, are worked out instead of "will be worked out in Elon time).
@@incognitotorpedo42 Elon told investors it was good to go in 2019, ready for production.
Some people are gullible optimists.
Next year or the year after BS for a decade.
You do know it was announced near 7 years ago? And how many years did it take before that until they had something to bring out on stage? All those years to build a factory to make the thing but no sign of one. Still no full self driving being talked about for the truck or rear wheel steering for the trailer maybe? The specs on the drive train has changed so is the claim that it cannot jack-knife still valid? Still no independant reviews. I'm not saying it's vaporware I'm just disappointed it's not being seen all over the country. I was in Amsterdam 4 years ago and saw electric UPS trucks in use. Look how Optimus has progressed in only two years from a fool in a suit dancing on stage. Where is the same progression with the Semi? Why are the 3 and Y being tinkered with
instead of putting every engineer on the Semi? Wall St. doesn't move on what may be in the future, Semi, FSD, dancing robots, Dojo, they deal with what is and so far these things to them are mere distractions. What the hell happened with solar tiles? Home H-Vac systems will be announced soon and we'll all take our eye off the ball again to faun over that. Or will it be the cheaper model car which looks like it will be of no use to anyone with a family as it maybe just a 2 seater. I'm still buying shares and how long will I have to wait for my Cybertruck? You still can't touch one in a showroom.@@incognitotorpedo42
Don't get me started on Dyson. A design and marketing outfit masquerading as an engineering company.
Here's what I don't get about the Semi. I believe in order for the Semi to make financial sense, they talked about $.07/kWh energy yet Tesla charges around $.34/kWh on average at Superchargers. So is Tesla just fleecing all of us on energy prices on our road trips or will the Semi never make financial sense compared to diesel trucks. Side Note: I spent 7 years working for the largest distributor of Peterbilt and International class 8 trucks back in the early 2000's.
You didnt mention the maintenance costs in a diesel truck which you would know is insanely expensive
@@vancity2349 Initial diesel semi cost plus maintenance is more than than a Tesla Semi only if the cost per kWh is low enough and Tesla made that argument by saying that cost would be $.07/kWh but if the energy cost is going to be $.34/kWh then the Tesla Semi will never be cheaper.
@@vancity2349 Here's the math for you. Diesel is currently ~$4/gal and diesel semi can get about 7mpg which leads to $.58/mile. The Tesla Semi uses 1.7kWh to drive 1 mile and if energy is $.34/kWh this would lead to $.58/mile. So yes, you have maintenance costs on a diesel semi but it also costs $50k-$150k less than a Tesla Semi. That would buy a lot of prepaid maintenance plans. So, I'm just surprised that no one talks about the energy costs when considering whether companies will continue to adopt the Tesla Semi. I also get that companies may run their own Semi Superchargers and pay more of a wholesale cost for energy but that leads me back to my other point of isn't Tesla just fleecing us at the Supercharger?
@@vancity2349 and to follow my Supercharger costs rant, I used to be able to road trip on Superchargers at a cost of ~$.03/mile in a Model S and now that cost is ~$.10/mile. My home energy cost didn't triple so why did the Supercharger prices? And yes I understand that Cali and Hawaii and some other areas have high energy costs but I don't road trip in those areas.
The Semi would be charged at truck depots, not at Tesla Superchargers.
The energy cost at the depot would be whatever the truck owners could negotiate with their energy provider. Tesla would not set that rate.
Is this before or after the recalls for millions of Teslas in the US ???
I assume you're unaware that the "recall" is actually an over-the-air update, which for me took place in about 25 minutes while my Tesla was parked in my garage charging. Meanwhile, Honda is recalling 2.6 million cars for fuel pump issues, which require the car to actually be taken to a Honda dealer and left while the repairs are made.
Nothing to see here. Lol.
@@BigBen621what of the suspension and steering failures currently under investigation?
@@robertfonovic3551 Ask me again when the investigation is complete. Until then, it's irrelevant.
#Tesla #semi_truck reaches in excess of 500miles. Big #brands taking #electric #trucks seriously to reduce #emissions.
Well, so far it's only reached the depths of our imaginations and our trust in marketing. Can't wait to see how it performs when it is fully independently tested by a source that does not have a commercial interest. I wonder why Tesla has not submitted the semi for such appraisal, yet? Odd?
Nah, some of the older trucks blow lots of particles but the newer have to run detergents in the exhaust stream to get licensed. Electric is good but the trucks over all will have variable batt packs and some will drag going up hills and god forbid having the batt pack fail going uphill,, lane will be closed and traffic backed up for miles.
Sounds exactly like what happens if a diesel semi fails going up hill. Why do you imagine this will happen any more frequently with electric semis than with diesel semis, which I see on the side of the road with the hood up all the time?
@@BigBen621 Not 'all the time' lol, Electric once dead, empty, will require quite powerful charging and Batt cell failure cannot be monitored or repaired if only one cell, or 2 or 200 even have failed. After 300,000 miles I think it will be like a ICE tractor and simply wearing out.
I don't believe a electric tractor will be circulated without a 'emergency pack' or reservoir to get the tractor to a safe stopping point- roadside.
Diesels run out of fuel but have 200+ gallon tanks for 1200 miles so on daily, running out of fuel is unlikely.
Electrics need 600+ miles capacity really, to be safe maybe 700, but the independents will want equivalent to 300 gallons as they dedicate to longer miles per day at 70 MPH and drive 75 MPH, perhaps 78.
I new some guys driving with 2 log books doing 8-900 miles a day. What would take me 4 days to cross the country they do in 3 or 2.5 days with a partner 2 days!
Insane hours that drains ya something terrible after a few years of that!
Again, please start the public schools buses. They are still stinking up the roads with Diesel fuel! The children are going to have breathing issues. Parents need to be educated..
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So, mass production for 2024 is not certain by any means.
Tesla needs to test until it's failure rate is considerably below that of diesel trucks or it will have egg on its face. Do you recall the flap when the parking brake control was recalled by Bendix. Tesla made the news but the same part was used and recalled in several different brands of trucks. Tesla got the bad press.
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Elon says "semeye" not "semee".