Thanks great video. I’ve just bought one and it has all the markings you said so clearly a Belgian model. Sold by the antique shop as German so really interesting. I paid £120 - very good condition just interested to know if that was a good price. Would this have been used by the German army or Belgian army ? Number on my one is 4457 - is this the number of the bayonets made ? Rich
I'm getting a deactivated brazilian mauser 1908 rifle but I can't get the bayonet because it is to expensive, is there any other mauser design or bayonet that can fit on a 1908 Mauser but this one
He's completely wrong. The B on the spine is a Brazilian acceptance/designation mark they had a matching B in a 6 pointed star on the butt of second shipment of rifles. The Greek characters are Brazilian series designations. The Germans never made a scabbard with steel fittings, the steel fittings were Brazilian refurbed scabbards and marked FI. The example he is using is heavily refurbished AND restored hence the absence of the German manufactures markings which were eradicated during the process of refurbishment. Brazil never used a fully steel scabbard but Uruguay did. Uruguayan 1908s were originally fairly identical to the Brazilians but their hooked quilions were eventually ground down. Although the Uruguayan rifle was designated 1908 it was configured differently than the Brazilian. Similarly there were Argentine and Peruvian DWM 1909 rifles but were completely different especially with the bayonets they were issued with. FN never put any markings on bayonets beyond what the contract called for which is why sometimes it's hard to figure out where many of their 1924 bayonets were issued.
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate the information provided about the fact that Belgium didn’t manufacture these bayonets. I learnt this information from another collector. I appreciate in the in-depth response with the facts I’ve learnt something new. How ever one thing I would like to point out is mine has German manufactured scabbard which where manufactured with brass mounts and a leather centre. A highly regarded bayonet collector named Ralph cobs aka worldbayonets and the founder of the American bayonet collectors association can confirm thsi from his website stating this “The German-made scabbard has a leather body with brass mounts.” I do recommend you check his website for some more in-depth facts.
I understand that is a German scabbard, I never contended the fact. Just pointing out if it has steel fittings they were Brazilian made replacements and will be marked FI as will be brass fittings that were refurbished but weren't I need of complete replacement. I know Ralph. I've actually sold him a couple of bayonets for his collection and have been posted on his site.
Thanks! This helped me figure out that I also have a Belgian made one.
That’s a handsome piece! 👏👏👏👏
Grummash cheers mate hope all is well with you !
Thanks for the info I purchased a Alex Coppel made one today at a fair
Thanks great video. I’ve just bought one and it has all the markings you said so clearly a Belgian model. Sold by the antique shop as German so really interesting. I paid £120 - very good condition just interested to know if that was a good price. Would this have been used by the German army or Belgian army ? Number on my one is 4457 - is this the number of the bayonets made ? Rich
That’s pretty cool the one I just got was within like 300 serial number wise of yours but not nearly in a nice condition,mine is 4026
I'm getting a deactivated brazilian mauser 1908 rifle but I can't get the bayonet because it is to expensive, is there any other mauser design or bayonet that can fit on a 1908 Mauser but this one
I have the bayonet for you sir.
Any 98 pattern pattern with a low ring or ringless design will attach including the K98K s84/98.
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He's completely wrong.
The B on the spine is a Brazilian acceptance/designation mark they had a matching B in a 6 pointed star on the butt of second shipment of rifles. The Greek characters are Brazilian series designations. The Germans never made a scabbard with steel fittings, the steel fittings were Brazilian refurbed scabbards and marked FI. The example he is using is heavily refurbished AND restored hence the absence of the German manufactures markings which were eradicated during the process of refurbishment.
Brazil never used a fully steel scabbard but Uruguay did. Uruguayan 1908s were originally fairly identical to the Brazilians but their hooked quilions were eventually ground down.
Although the Uruguayan rifle was designated 1908 it was configured differently than the Brazilian. Similarly there were Argentine and Peruvian DWM 1909 rifles but were completely different especially with the bayonets they were issued with.
FN never put any markings on bayonets beyond what the contract called for which is why sometimes it's hard to figure out where many of their 1924 bayonets were issued.
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate the information provided about the fact that Belgium didn’t manufacture these bayonets. I learnt this information from another collector. I appreciate in the in-depth response with the facts I’ve learnt something new.
How ever one thing I would like to point out is mine has German manufactured scabbard which where manufactured with brass mounts and a leather centre. A highly regarded bayonet collector named Ralph cobs aka worldbayonets and the founder of the American bayonet collectors association can confirm thsi from his website stating this “The German-made scabbard has a leather body with brass mounts.”
I do recommend you check his website for some more in-depth facts.
I understand that is a German scabbard, I never contended the fact. Just pointing out if it has steel fittings they were Brazilian made replacements and will be marked FI as will be brass fittings that were refurbished but weren't I need of complete replacement.
I know Ralph. I've actually sold him a couple of bayonets for his collection and have been posted on his site.
BTW, not trying to be hostile.
Learning is part of the fun in this hobby
"Cheers!"
they look like miniature German langmessers.