I live in AZ, and one thing I can say is that even though the Dbacks have been struggling the past couple of years, they play a HUGE role within the AZ Community. They help out with donations, charity events, and awareness events. They also have been very good this year hosting various of fun games (such as Star Wars night, or Corbin Carroll Bobblehead Night)
@@ousamaabdu794 This has nothing to do with upper or middle class. Don’t bring politics into here. Like my comment above said: if you’re going to spend money.. make it into something like Dodgers/Wrigley or Fenway.
@805fillmore In reference to the initial comment... My statement rings true. While I'm a diehard sports fan, the amount of public $$$ being spent on staudiums and arenas is getting diabolical. Having a professional sports franchise has been one of the most lucrative investments on the planet over the last 40 years, and the greedy owners are never content. It's a microscope of a bigger problem with society and that is the framework in regards to my reply.. And I agree. Things should be built correctly the first time.. .
It's true about the "snowbird" effect. I'm a lifelong Arizonan/D-Backs fan. I went to a game at Chase Field a few years back against the Mets, and there were probably about as many Mets fans as D-Backs fans. Games against NY and California teams are always popular.
I grew up in Arizona and the Diamondbacks are my earliest baseball memories. I’ve got lots of nostalgia for the old days. My observations: -chase field was state of the art when it was “B.O.B.” Since then it’s been overshadowed by better retractable roof stadiums like Minute Maid. It’s also lost it’s mount-plate path and real grass. -phoenix is just not a “hype” city, it’s very suburban which I don’t think plays into lots of people wanting to go downtown for a game -the Diamondbacks I think should bring the teal and purple back next year. Just like the Padres and Astros who brought back their old look when they got good again, the Dbacks should do the same as they’re going to be much better over the next few years than they have in about a decade.
I feel like the urban success necessary to gain expansion attention is largely owed to proper suburban expansion, people without time and money aren't going to invest that in a team that is yet to endear itself to them. This exacerbated attendance and youth interest woes profoundly during this 20+ year economic downturn, especially in cities that expanded faster than its constituents could pay for. And yeah the old uniforms were so much better
As a season ticket holder to the D-Backs, I can say you're wrong about one thing. The roof stays open all of April and May and most of September because the weather is near perfect. (unless it rains) The main problems I have with Chase Field is the stadium is way to big and also the bland downtown location. It lacks that intimacy feel, and there is not really any other activities going on downtown.
This is excellent but a couple of other key facts. One of the biggest reasons we got the dbacks was Jerry Colangalo, owner of the Suns at the time. He put together a top notch, high name ownership group that believed in spending money. Why we won the WS in 2001, we invested in Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Luis Gonzales, Mark Grace, just to name a few. 2. With the retirement population MLB calculated a higher than average visiting team attendance due to retirees bringing their allegiance with them. 3. BoB was already finalized and financed. It also caused an assassination attempt on Rose Mary Wilcox, County Board Supervisor, for her support of the stadium. I would prefer to see Chase Field updated only because of the void it would leave downtown. I would support a move to Scottsdale if the development also included a Coyotes arena. A Scottsdale-Salt River Nation partnership
Central Phoenix is closer to water but it also exacerbates the heat, that and it's further South That and the arizona leagues were an argument Vegas is always proposed because it's huge, but youre gonna need a dome or 69-81 night games and a phenomenal stadium
I live in Phoenix and will say that I believe this franchise COULD be extremely successful here. They need a few changes to make that happen, IMO: 1. A new, smaller ballpark with better parking options. They tried to build a downtown "neighborhood" ballpark in a downtown where no one lives. It's not a normal downtown area, people have to drive to get there and it's a huge hassle. 2. Bring back purple and teal--it was a unique identity that is STILL more popular here than the red/black. 3. A new TV deal. Bally Sports was a disaster, we'll see where this goes in the future. They need to be more accessible to more people here. 4. Start paying their young players to stay here. Trading Paul Goldschmidt in his prime was a disastrous decision. Now with Zac Gallen, Corbin Carroll, Alek Thomas and Druw Jones and Jordan Lawlar in the pipeline, they need to keep all of these guys here and market the hell out of them. Winning would help.
The problem with older people retiring and moving to Phoenix is that they already been following other teams for a long time. So it's unlikely that they will switch allegiances.
Why shouldn't people switch their allegiances? I have done that several times in my life. Also, if you are a person who has relocated from one region of the country to another during your lifetime, for reasons to improve your quality of life, then it would be hypocritical to not allow teams the ability to relocate, to improve their business and competitive prospects.
It’s crazy to think the Dbacks got their first championship before the states’ other three professional teams, all of which are over a half century old and still haven’t won. Similar to Minnesota. Out of their four professional sports teams only the Twins have the championships.
I disagree with you on Chase field, I love the look of it, keep in mind it was build in a time where reverse retro was a thing due to Camden yards so the brick exterior is part of that. I love its look, but it does need renovations to update amenities.
As well not having any other professional sports championships. LOL Crazy to think the other three teams are decades old (Cardinals, Suns, and Coyotes) yet still haven’t won a championship. And have mostly been crummy in their history
Fastest team to win world series 01 champs,love the old teams,Randy Johnson,curt shilling,Matt Williams,Steve Finley,etc,love my home team no matter what 🎉
@@moonytheloony6516 Nothing renovations can't fix, like the Blue Jays did you can remove some seating for patio/lounge clubs and other things to bring up the amenities of the park.
@@janetd5121 I agree with you. They need to make the place smaller by creating a smart redesign of the interior, and more bright. My biggest complaint has been the dark, cavern-like look of the place when the roof is closed. If even part of that now-broken roof could be made translucent, it would brighten up the joint a bit.
The truth is that theres only a handful of cities that draw well regardless of performance. Even cities with decades or even a century+ of history like the White Sox, Tigers, and Indians dont draw if the teams dont perform. Weather is also an issue in both the north and south, but probably moreso in the north since it is truly miserable in the spring.
b.s two cold series in early season in detroit pales in comparison to 130 degrees to sit thru most of season. gets down to a nice 60-mid 50's by the time a night game gets over now.
@@stevenbauer4799 yeah right I lived in Detroit for a long time. It's miserable until June, and forget about night games. The fact that you think its 130 most of the season anywhere tips your card as a midwestern hack.
Bottom line is in all 4 sports Phoenix has proven to be better on paper than in reality as a sports location. Ownership is an obvious and legitimate excuse
FWIW the expansion of four extra teams in the 90s was reportedly part of MLB's way of paying off the compensation they had to give out when the clubs were found guilty of collusion in the 80s.
The crazy part is that not only did they win the World Series in their first few years but also got it before the other three older teams (Suns, Coyotes, and Cardinals) who all still have never won a championship despite being over a half century old.
I love you content watch it all the time subscribed and I am not saying this to be a dick. The stadium is used throughout the whole year. Phoenix is beautiful from November till May and it’s hot as fuck but we have monster trucks. Motorcycle races concerts parties, all kinds of stuff and the roof is open.
Recap, the attendance his year is way up. Scottsdale would suck. Most of the older population is on the opposite side of the valley but I agree there needs to be a relocation threat for a renovation to happen but I don’t think we relocate
This is the problem when you put franchises in markets that have a lot of transplants. Most of the poeple who are baseball fans are fans of other teams with little loyalty to the local franchise. This is why these cities are worse for MLB than cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh which are mostly made up of people who grew up in the area and have always supported the local franchises. I would argue that the last market that truly needed an MLB franchise is Denver and they didn't get a franchise until the 90s because of the thin air. Vegas will be even worse than Miami and Phoenix because it is much smaller than those markets, and has an even smaller tv market than Milwaukee.
Jeff, you certainly made some very good points about how having an MLB team in Las Vegas might be a bad idea because of it being an even smaller market than Milwaukee and also not having a fan base loyal to the home team.
This is also why I think Salt Lake is a better option than Vegas would be for an MLB team. I think people get too caught up on the glitz and tourism of Vegas. Salt Lake is a bigger metro by far and has lots of people with deep roots in the area. Their basketball and football (college, BYU and UofU) teams have enormous support. Baseball is an untapped market in a sports-loving state.
I used to live in Colorado. Colorado is similar to Arizona demographically because Colorado has many transplants, although Arizona has a higher percentage of retirees and people who go elsewhere in summer. In most years, Rockies attendance has been better than Diamondbacks attendance, perhaps because there is more to do around Coors Field than around Chase Field, and Denver weather in summer is usually excellent while Phoenix weather is extremely hot, discouraging people from going outdoors.
It’s the states’ only professional championship team LOL It is truly unfortunate though that the other three teams are over a half century old yet have nothing to show for it
1. Arizona is a good baseball community, you guys even won a world series. 2. Beats me. 3. Consider ourselves lucky we even exist, and won two world series!
american cities belong having sports teams before canada or any other foreign country. american sports isnt great because its international. i dont give a fuck what other countries think of american sports. doesnt matter what people think where you dont live
It’s not closed all the time cause of the heat, it’s closed all the time cause it doesn’t work and neither the county or team want to pay to repair it 😂
@@sawyertuide7636 That may be feasible but it will depend on how much work needs to be done. It clearly needs to be downsized by 10,000 seats, but as I understand the roof is broken so fixing that could be a lot of money.
They would have to go to the NFL format of 8 divisions of 4 teams each. It work like this: -13 games vs 3 divisional teams = 39 games -6 games vs 12 other teams in League = 72 games -3 games vs 15 interleague teams = 45 games -6 games vs Interleague rival = 6 games 39+72+45+6=162 games
You wouldn't. 8/4 might not be an easy accommodation even if you switch AL/NL teams, 4/8 would be strange but not unlike the past, and 5/6/5 would also have precedent but unfavorable in a competitive sense. Then again, new scheduling seems to suggest that they'll do away with divisions and leagues in some way, which could be opposed by owners.
You know, I literally asked myself the same question while watching @depressedginger video on the possible relocation sites for the Chicago Bears. Might as well make the stadiums with crazy weather domes or roofs with the translucent glass because they're gonna be just that 98% of the time anyway.
If you look at 90's expansion teams, only Colorado gets above average attendance, and even with them, just barely. I wonder what cities would have been chosen if they had it to go over? I certainly don't think it was ever a good idea to put expansion teams in Florida.
You’re understating CO’s attendance I think. Considering their record and the fact they’re usually in last place, they do AMAZING. Stands would be empty anywhere else (Tampa can’t fill up stands with a first place team!)
@@adanalyst6925 Yeah, my comment was mostly about the other three (AZ, Tampa, and Miami). Colorado certainly gets respectable enough attendance to justify having a team.
@@JakeMcshane3 Yeah I agree with your original point though. I think CO’s difference is that it is not a snowbird/relocation city. Are you from AZ (prof pic)?
@@adanalyst6925 Yeah, I'm from Phoenix as you could have guessed. Phoenix has become a huge metropolis, but most of the people are snowbirds or migrants from elsewhere whose loyalty is still to their team from where they came from.
because just like fla. az. was considered a boom state for pro sports going into the '90's once phx. stole cards from st. l. in '88. which led nhl to foolishly move jets there thinking nhl would work in az. to give az. a team in each of the big four sports. which for 27 years it has clearly failed. And az. like fla. should be used for spring training only. neither state needs teams in all four sports. try mls az. got a nice spot in tempe waiting for development. could put a cost efficient mls stadium there instead of that $1.6 billion development/arena that failed for a lot less.
California has 5 teams rite now they should allowe 2 teams max per state send the Angels and the Padres elsewhere they dont fit in Cali since Oakland its already leaving to Vegas
Billionaire owners wanting the taxpayer to fit the bill for their playgrounds. So ridiculous. Pro sports is such a crock anymore. Such greed. Worst economy in a long time and these billionaires are whining and moaning because their 25 year old stadiums are run down or outdated. Give me a frickin' break.
I live in AZ, and one thing I can say is that even though the Dbacks have been struggling the past couple of years, they play a HUGE role within the AZ Community. They help out with donations, charity events, and awareness events. They also have been very good this year hosting various of fun games (such as Star Wars night, or Corbin Carroll Bobblehead Night)
It's insane how quickly US teams give up on their stadiums. A horrific waste of money.
It’s because you got to make it right the first time like Fenway/wrigley/dodgers stadium.
I agree.. Corporate greed knows no end in American culture.. And it's getting worse year over year .. We barely even have a middle class anymore smh..
@@ousamaabdu794 This has nothing to do with upper or middle class. Don’t bring politics into here. Like my comment above said: if you’re going to spend money.. make it into something like Dodgers/Wrigley or Fenway.
@805fillmore In reference to the initial comment... My statement rings true. While I'm a diehard sports fan, the amount of public $$$ being spent on staudiums and arenas is getting diabolical.
Having a professional sports franchise has been one of the most lucrative investments on the planet over the last 40 years, and the greedy owners are never content. It's a microscope of a bigger problem with society and that is the framework in regards to my reply..
And I agree.
Things should be built correctly the first time..
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It's true about the "snowbird" effect. I'm a lifelong Arizonan/D-Backs fan. I went to a game at Chase Field a few years back against the Mets, and there were probably about as many Mets fans as D-Backs fans. Games against NY and California teams are always popular.
I grew up in Arizona and the Diamondbacks are my earliest baseball memories. I’ve got lots of nostalgia for the old days. My observations:
-chase field was state of the art when it was “B.O.B.” Since then it’s been overshadowed by better retractable roof stadiums like Minute Maid. It’s also lost it’s mount-plate path and real grass.
-phoenix is just not a “hype” city, it’s very suburban which I don’t think plays into lots of people wanting to go downtown for a game
-the Diamondbacks I think should bring the teal and purple back next year. Just like the Padres and Astros who brought back their old look when they got good again, the Dbacks should do the same as they’re going to be much better over the next few years than they have in about a decade.
minute maid park in houston is trash
I agree with you on the teal and purple. It was distinctive. The brick red and black is just blah.
I feel like the urban success necessary to gain expansion attention is largely owed to proper suburban expansion, people without time and money aren't going to invest that in a team that is yet to endear itself to them. This exacerbated attendance and youth interest woes profoundly during this 20+ year economic downturn, especially in cities that expanded faster than its constituents could pay for.
And yeah the old uniforms were so much better
@@nomercyinc6783still better than chase
As a season ticket holder to the D-Backs, I can say you're wrong about one thing. The roof stays open all of April and May and most of September because the weather is near perfect. (unless it rains) The main problems I have with Chase Field is the stadium is way to big and also the bland downtown location. It lacks that intimacy feel, and there is not really any other activities going on downtown.
This is excellent but a couple of other key facts. One of the biggest reasons we got the dbacks was Jerry Colangalo, owner of the Suns at the time. He put together a top notch, high name ownership group that believed in spending money. Why we won the WS in 2001, we invested in Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Luis Gonzales, Mark Grace, just to name a few. 2. With the retirement population MLB calculated a higher than average visiting team attendance due to retirees bringing their allegiance with them. 3. BoB was already finalized and financed. It also caused an assassination attempt on Rose Mary Wilcox, County Board Supervisor, for her support of the stadium.
I would prefer to see Chase Field updated only because of the void it would leave downtown. I would support a move to Scottsdale if the development also included a Coyotes arena. A Scottsdale-Salt River Nation partnership
Trust me, Vegas is not hotter then Phoenix.
Very true. Phoenix is always at least 10 degrees hotter.
Than
I live in Phoenix and it is always hotter over the summer. Way bigger city!!! Heat island affect.🥵
@@sashasavisha146usually I don’t like corrections but this just feels right
Central Phoenix is closer to water but it also exacerbates the heat, that and it's further South
That and the arizona leagues were an argument
Vegas is always proposed because it's huge, but youre gonna need a dome or 69-81 night games and a phenomenal stadium
I live in Phoenix and will say that I believe this franchise COULD be extremely successful here. They need a few changes to make that happen, IMO: 1. A new, smaller ballpark with better parking options. They tried to build a downtown "neighborhood" ballpark in a downtown where no one lives. It's not a normal downtown area, people have to drive to get there and it's a huge hassle. 2. Bring back purple and teal--it was a unique identity that is STILL more popular here than the red/black. 3. A new TV deal. Bally Sports was a disaster, we'll see where this goes in the future. They need to be more accessible to more people here. 4. Start paying their young players to stay here. Trading Paul Goldschmidt in his prime was a disastrous decision. Now with Zac Gallen, Corbin Carroll, Alek Thomas and Druw Jones and Jordan Lawlar in the pipeline, they need to keep all of these guys here and market the hell out of them. Winning would help.
%100 agree with what you said. Born and raised in AZ my self.
Agreed
The problem with older people retiring and moving to Phoenix is that they already been following other teams for a long time. So it's unlikely that they will switch allegiances.
Why shouldn't people switch their allegiances? I have done that several times in my life.
Also, if you are a person who has relocated from one region of the country to another during your lifetime, for reasons to improve your quality of life, then it would be hypocritical to not allow teams the ability to relocate, to improve their business and competitive prospects.
If the Diamondbacks fail, The Arizona Cardinals can have Chase Bank Field in downtown Phoenix, Arizona
It’s crazy to think the Dbacks got their first championship before the states’ other three professional teams, all of which are over a half century old and still haven’t won.
Similar to Minnesota. Out of their four professional sports teams only the Twins have the championships.
I disagree with you on Chase field, I love the look of it, keep in mind it was build in a time where reverse retro was a thing due to Camden yards so the brick exterior is part of that. I love its look, but it does need renovations to update amenities.
Agreed
I don’t get why owners want to ditch stadiums that are barely over two decades old.
I think the criteria was let's pick a region with a lot of people that doesn't have a baseball team.
As well not having any other professional sports championships. LOL
Crazy to think the other three teams are decades old (Cardinals, Suns, and Coyotes) yet still haven’t won a championship.
And have mostly been crummy in their history
Fastest team to win world series 01 champs,love the old teams,Randy Johnson,curt shilling,Matt Williams,Steve Finley,etc,love my home team no matter what 🎉
I really liked Chase Field. Seemed fine to me, was perfectly adequate
It's too big. It's 10,000 seats too many.
@@moonytheloony6516 Nothing renovations can't fix, like the Blue Jays did you can remove some seating for patio/lounge clubs and other things to bring up the amenities of the park.
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I agree with you. They need to make the place smaller by creating a smart redesign of the interior, and more bright.
My biggest complaint has been the dark, cavern-like look of the place when the roof is closed. If even part of that now-broken roof could be made translucent, it would brighten up the joint a bit.
How did the NHL let a team move to Phoenix? That’s ridiculous when many cities oils have welcomed them with an arena and sellout fans each night.
Haven’t the Coyotes always been a crummy team though ?
The truth is that theres only a handful of cities that draw well regardless of performance. Even cities with decades or even a century+ of history like the White Sox, Tigers, and Indians dont draw if the teams dont perform. Weather is also an issue in both the north and south, but probably moreso in the north since it is truly miserable in the spring.
b.s two cold series in early season in detroit pales in comparison to 130 degrees to sit thru most of season. gets down to a nice 60-mid 50's by the time a night game gets over now.
@@stevenbauer4799 yeah right I lived in Detroit for a long time. It's miserable until June, and forget about night games. The fact that you think its 130 most of the season anywhere tips your card as a midwestern hack.
Bottom line is in all 4 sports Phoenix has proven to be better on paper than in reality as a sports location. Ownership is an obvious and legitimate excuse
This.
Is that why the other three teams have mostly been bad throughout their history?
FWIW the expansion of four extra teams in the 90s was reportedly part of MLB's way of paying off the compensation they had to give out when the clubs were found guilty of collusion in the 80s.
And they are going to use this next round to pay off their COVID debts
Never understood why Arizona did not join the AL and Houston just stayed in the NL?
The crazy part is that not only did they win the World Series in their first few years but also got it before the other three older teams (Suns, Coyotes, and Cardinals) who all still have never won a championship despite being over a half century old.
I love you content watch it all the time subscribed and I am not saying this to be a dick. The stadium is used throughout the whole year. Phoenix is beautiful from November till May and it’s hot as fuck but we have monster trucks. Motorcycle races concerts parties, all kinds of stuff and the roof is open.
Going in cold as a diehard season ticket holder of the dbacks, I am interested, slightly hurt but I’m here for it
Recap, the attendance his year is way up. Scottsdale would suck. Most of the older population is on the opposite side of the valley but I agree there needs to be a relocation threat for a renovation to happen but I don’t think we relocate
This is the problem when you put franchises in markets that have a lot of transplants. Most of the poeple who are baseball fans are fans of other teams with little loyalty to the local franchise. This is why these cities are worse for MLB than cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh which are mostly made up of people who grew up in the area and have always supported the local franchises. I would argue that the last market that truly needed an MLB franchise is Denver and they didn't get a franchise until the 90s because of the thin air. Vegas will be even worse than Miami and Phoenix because it is much smaller than those markets, and has an even smaller tv market than Milwaukee.
Jeff, you certainly made some very good points about how having an MLB team in Las Vegas might be a bad idea because of it being an even smaller market than Milwaukee and also not having a fan base loyal to the home team.
I totally agree about Vegas. They are 40th in market size and don’t deserve a team
This is also why I think Salt Lake is a better option than Vegas would be for an MLB team. I think people get too caught up on the glitz and tourism of Vegas. Salt Lake is a bigger metro by far and has lots of people with deep roots in the area. Their basketball and football (college, BYU and UofU) teams have enormous support. Baseball is an untapped market in a sports-loving state.
I used to live in Colorado. Colorado is similar to Arizona demographically because Colorado has many transplants, although Arizona has a higher percentage of retirees and people who go elsewhere in summer. In most years, Rockies attendance has been better than Diamondbacks attendance, perhaps because there is more to do around Coors Field than around Chase Field, and Denver weather in summer is usually excellent while Phoenix weather is extremely hot, discouraging people from going outdoors.
Ur right, the weather is not conducive for baseball given the season is April- September
Great question...
Chase field is fine. But BRING BACK THE GRASS
Great video i live in buckeye arizona
Arizona deserves the Dbacks and the MLB plain and simple.
It’s the states’ only professional championship team LOL
It is truly unfortunate though that the other three teams are over a half century old yet have nothing to show for it
Why did Arizona get an expansion team?
Why did Tampa Bay get an expansion team?
Why did Miami get an expansion team?
1. Arizona is a good baseball community, you guys even won a world series.
2. Beats me.
3. Consider ourselves lucky we even exist, and won two world series!
They need to move
american cities belong having sports teams before canada or any other foreign country. american sports isnt great because its international. i dont give a fuck what other countries think of american sports. doesnt matter what people think where you dont live
No relocations
It’s not closed all the time cause of the heat, it’s closed all the time cause it doesn’t work and neither the county or team want to pay to repair it 😂
How do they deal with fireworks?
A new stadium or a stadium renovation? A huge waste of money.
Renovate Chase Field IMO
@@sawyertuide7636
That may be feasible but it will depend on how much work needs to be done. It clearly needs to be downsized by 10,000 seats, but as I understand the roof is broken so fixing that could be a lot of money.
@@sawyertuide7636no. Not paying higher taxes so a billionaire can put on bread and circuses for plebs
Chase field is awesome wtf. I love going there
The problem with Chase Field is that it's too big.
I think a bigger question is how did Colorado get a team
Consolation prize for having to be Arizona.
Dbacks have won more this century then the dodgers. Dbacks world series in 2001
Dodgers- mickey mouse ring
uhh, because it is a big city.
Go snakes!!
If there are 32 teams, how do you divide evenly between three division?
switch to NL/AL North/South instead of Central
Good luck eliminating an entire division while at the same time expanding MLB@@nolsnn
@nolsnn No, that's too many divisions. There are already 6 teams making the playoffs per league so 2 more teams just go into the Central divisions.
They would have to go to the NFL format of 8 divisions of 4 teams each. It work like this:
-13 games vs 3 divisional teams = 39 games
-6 games vs 12 other teams in League = 72 games
-3 games vs 15 interleague teams = 45 games
-6 games vs Interleague rival = 6 games
39+72+45+6=162 games
You wouldn't.
8/4 might not be an easy accommodation even if you switch AL/NL teams, 4/8 would be strange but not unlike the past, and 5/6/5 would also have precedent but unfavorable in a competitive sense. Then again, new scheduling seems to suggest that they'll do away with divisions and leagues in some way, which could be opposed by owners.
The DBacks were created to destroy the Yankee's in 2001. Everything else is just extra
Why build retractable if you use it a few times
You know, I literally asked myself the same question while watching @depressedginger video on the possible relocation sites for the Chicago Bears.
Might as well make the stadiums with crazy weather domes or roofs with the translucent glass because they're gonna be just that 98% of the time anyway.
So you can have real grass instead of artificial.
@@danschilling5863 4 billion just for that? Just keep it open
If you look at 90's expansion teams, only Colorado gets above average attendance, and even with them, just barely. I wonder what cities would have been chosen if they had it to go over? I certainly don't think it was ever a good idea to put expansion teams in Florida.
You’re understating CO’s attendance I think. Considering their record and the fact they’re usually in last place, they do AMAZING. Stands would be empty anywhere else (Tampa can’t fill up stands with a first place team!)
@@adanalyst6925 Yeah, my comment was mostly about the other three (AZ, Tampa, and Miami). Colorado certainly gets respectable enough attendance to justify having a team.
@@JakeMcshane3 Yeah I agree with your original point though. I think CO’s difference is that it is not a snowbird/relocation city. Are you from AZ (prof pic)?
@@adanalyst6925 Yeah, I'm from Phoenix as you could have guessed. Phoenix has become a huge metropolis, but most of the people are snowbirds or migrants from elsewhere whose loyalty is still to their team from where they came from.
@@JakeMcshane3 I think it’s funny when I’ve heard the Dbacks described as a small-market team
For MLB expantion or relcation i think Montreal deserves another chance
I heard the Expos never had good attendance though, and that Montreal isn’t a baseball city
because just like fla. az. was considered a boom state for pro sports going into the '90's once phx. stole cards from st. l. in '88. which led nhl to foolishly move jets there thinking nhl would work in az. to give az. a team in each of the big four sports. which for 27 years it has clearly failed. And az. like fla. should be used for spring training only. neither state needs teams in all four sports. try mls az. got a nice spot in tempe waiting for development. could put a cost efficient mls stadium there instead of that $1.6 billion development/arena that failed for a lot less.
Dodgers, a powerhouse? I guess in Californian terms that's true bc they choke during the month(s) that matter, just like the electric grid. 😂😂😂
They definitely should move the new stadium to Scottsdale I can totally see it being a bigger hit than actually in Phoenix.
Delete Miami. They’re not competitive and the fans don’t support the team.
Yes! Move Miami to Nashville and call it good. Let’s not expand unless MLB is man enough to add salary caps and floors.
You could realistically cut just about 80% of the expansion teams and it would improve the league
California has 5 teams rite now they should allowe 2 teams max per state send the Angels and the Padres elsewhere they dont fit in Cali since Oakland its already leaving to Vegas
Florida is a flop
Typical liberal response
The Marlins still won two World Series though
Billionaire owners wanting the taxpayer to fit the bill for their playgrounds. So ridiculous. Pro sports is such a crock anymore. Such greed. Worst economy in a long time and these billionaires are whining and moaning because their 25 year old stadiums are run down or outdated. Give me a frickin' break.
Go back to MTL
MLB should never have given teams to Arizona, Florida
Um, the Dbacks and Marlins did win the World Series though
Unlike five other teams
We have the Cactus League,duh.
makes more sense than canada ever having any american sports teams. foreign countries have no business having american sports teams.