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As an Utah sports fan, I am beyond excited to be getting the NHL in my hometown and am certainly going to be a diehard. It stinks, however, that all that has to come at the expense of the fans in Arizona losing their team. My heart goes out to them - I hope hockey returns to the desert soon. I will be cheering hard for Alex to win the land auction and get the barn built.
I do also feel bad for the fans but at the same time, it's not like the NHL didn't try to force Arizona to want the coyotes and they just voted them down numerous times
As a Canadian, we aren't mad about SLC / Utah getting a team. Not hearing anything bad about that. Nobody wants to see a team struggle for attendance or venues so hopefully they can do better farther north.
I was a Thrasher season ticket holder / super fan from day one until relocation. It sucked so badly to see them move so I feel horrible for the Coyotes fans. Also listening to other fans applaud the team moving to a ‘real’ hockey market stung. As a Canadian I was glad the moved to Winnipeg though (Quebec City would have been fine too). Watching the Jets play their first game felt like watching my wife get railed by another guy. I spent the entire summer of 2011 lamenting the loss of my beloved hockey team. In the fall of 2011 however was the airline crash killing almost the entire Yaroslavl Lokomotiv hockey hockey team. This event immediately changed my perspective on what ‘losing your hockey team’ can really mean. It sobered me right up.
I was a Jets 1.0 fan and now a 2.0 fan. Sorry for Atlantas loss but I can tell you that I felt that pain back in 1996 when the Jets were ripped away from us to Phoenix so I understand 100%. Hopefully Atlanta gets a team back like we did. And AZ too.
Regarding local hockey in Phoenix- the NHL leaving is not a certain death knell. Since the Thrashers left Atlanta, the local leagues have grown. We got a couple of new rinks and at least 1 new junior club.
Brodie I watch your drops everyday. Love the format. Very succinct reporting and you capture the essence of the story. Great points in this one about youth hockey and hockey fans in the Phoenix area. I was at the game where Josh Doan got his first 2 goals. There are many great fans in that city. They deserve another franchise that should be run to the standard the fans deserve.
The Tucson Roadrunners are the AHL affiliate of the team that is now moving to Utah. Meanwhile, the Utah Grizzlies are the ECHL affiliate of the Colorado Avalanche....
Crazy that I saw the Coyotes in Melbourne, Australia before the season started and that was their final season, as we know it. I joked Gary made them go after Vancouver refused.
I remember when the Nordiques left Quebec City in 1995, not because of lack of revenues and arena, they left because the ownership group weren’t ready to gamble their money in a league without salary cap and hockey revenues redistribution, wich are in place now. The whole community was devastated. Then the wound slowly started to heal, until the Stanley Cup playoffs, where the Avalanche, our former team, won the Stanley Cup. That was a major blow to a traditional hockey market, from 1996 to 2003 I fully gave up on NHL hockey. I feel for people of Arizona, losing your team sucks, but at least they have commitments from the league to get a team back, even if the team had no home for the last few years, went bankrupt, had several scandals related to ownership…but in my hometown, Quebec City, new potential ownership invested in a brand new state of the art arena, they have deep pockets and their own sports network and the league keeps saying no, wich is really frustrating. The local junior team sold out 18,000 seats in the last playoffs, hockey in Quebec City is a religion and the NHL is more focused on new markets and revenues than the fans…good luck Arizona
as a decades long hockey fan, and a yotes fan as long as the kings werent in town.. as someone who went to 30+ home games one season, i can say without any doubt that i give zero sh!ts about hockey in PHX if its still under the ownership of the mierdas. Really left a bad taste in my mouth and no way Id continue to support the same facilitators of this effery..
One of the challenges with youth hockey in areas where there are limited ice rinks is that there is competition for ice time during the limited amount of time after school. I'm in Southern California, and there are people (especially parents) involved in the major youth teams who don't care how many kids are playing ice hockey. They don't see any value in a 12 year old who can't skate taking ice time away from skilled 12 year olds. They feel more skilled 12 year olds are lost due to not getting ice time after school and instead having to get up at 6am to go to the rink, so they quit and start playing lacrosse or basketball. Getting those new to hockey to show up at a rink at 6am is impossible. The argument is that more kids will want to play hockey if there are draft picks and superstars from the region - so putting all their resources into a limited number of potential NHL players is the goal - and this is happening in some areas of Southern California where the best ice time is going to support those top-tier players and girls and older new players aren't seen as important. But in terms of growth of hockey, older kids and teens playing and learning the sport is crucial. My cousin played hockey in Scottsdale in the 1980s. He's not some star player, he's a hockey fan (now in Colorado). There are only a few players who will make the NHL, but to support an NHL team there needs to be more hockey fans. And playing hockey is one of the best ways for people to gain hockey knowledge and love of the sports.
Brodie, I really like your knowledge of this story. Just curious, is this similar to what the Oakland franchise is going through? Thank you for sharing your thoughts/ knowledge on this
Btw Brodie, totally off topic but did you see the smile on Hertl's face the other day when he scored the GWG against the Avs??? Glad to see that Hertl smile is back, just like the good ol days down at the Shark Tank!!!
If Phoenix gets another NHL team, I bet the Tucson team is sold (while keeping the Roadrunners name in Arizona) to a group that moves the team out of state (Boise?), and the Roadrunners start from scratch as the Coyotes' AHL affiliate without missing a beat.
Meruelo owns the Coyotes name and trademark. He also owns the Roadrunners. Would it be crazy to consider temporarily rebranding the Roadrunners as the Coyotes, playing in the AHL? Keep fans cheering on the brand and wearing the merchandise, keep kids and families engaging with Howler, all while providing access at more family friendly prices? Then if (hopefully when) the Coyotes come back to the NHL it would be a really fun and exciting transition.
A number of AHL teams already share the names of their NHL parent clubs, so I don't see that rebranding crazy at all. I do like the Roadrunners name though.
Yeah, but one team (Whalers) were the HUNTERS and the other (Whale) were the PREY. I always thought it was odd. Maybe it should have been the Harpoons!
Don't move any of the Roadrunners home games to Phoenix. First, if a big city is used to NHL hockey, it's doubtful an AHL team will be much of an attraction. Second, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - if the Roadrunners have good fan support in Tucson, don't take it away from them just because Phoenix lost their NHL team - they'll likely resent it and may not return. Finally, as Bruiser Brodie pointed out, the AHL affiliate of the Utah team would really go over well with Coyotes fans.
Alex Meruelo owns the Grand Sierra resort in Reno and he announced plans to expand the resort and build a 10,000 seat Arena on his property with the UNR Basketball team as tenants. Perhaps he moves the Roadrunners to Reno which is much closer than Tucson to Salt Lake City. Just a theory.
I would like to hear what Austin Matthews thinks says about growing up in Arizona and thinks of them moving to Utah and the future hopes of getting an expansion team
Youth hockey is expensive, even in Minnesota, even with outdoor ice. Having to try and continue hockey with the expenses involved in desert ice facilities is going to be damned hard. Even in some locations in Minneapolis and its inner suburbs youth hockey is dying. At one point there were thousands of kids skating in Minneapolis proper, now a few hundred at best. In Bloomington, MN in the 1990's and 2000's we had two youth organizations with dozens of teams, hundreds of kids from mites to high school. Now that's all gone. The town of 100,000+ can barely field a dozen(in a really good season) mite teams and barely one youth team at squirts through bantam and only 1 junior team. The wealthiest exburban/ suburban locations are doing better, but even they are having difficulty finding $$$ to pay for ice and parents that can afford the gear,the time etc. It doesn't help that the demographics are reducing potential players( think DINK "families") and the costs keep rising. My oldest son is an avid Coyotes fan,we've traveled to Phoenix for a few games and having watched the North Stars leave town I know what the fans are feeling.
I hope that unlike immature fanboys like the host....they will get on with their life.? Coupled with a looming recession, sports fans are going to spend a lot less as the NHL likely contracts by 4-6 teams......
NFLs Cleveland Browns went on hiatus when they moved to Baltimore until several years later and when the AFC and NFC expanded from three divisions to four divisions.
As Coyotes fans, The Wife and I went to the very first home game, first year sweaters (in white for the White Out) both our cars have Coyotes license plates and multiple decals, we are very sad to see them leave. That being said, I was my understanding that the NHL owns the rights to the team names. Which is why the Jets were able to reclaim that name. Am I mistaken? And thanks for the well balanced commentary, a lot of haters out there.
Good idea re. more rinks, but who's going to pay for them? For those of us who aren't great skaters because they started out too late in childhood (raises his hand) here in Canada, we played ball hockey out on the street and league floor hockey at the local gym / community center. There's also roller hockey. Note, playing ice hockey is expensive re. equipment, and of course Arizona doesn't have the long history of hockey that Canadian and Northeastern US cities and towns have.
Can Phoenix host an NHL Draft? Unlikely, since the league decided they won’t have in-person drafts beyond this year. The announcement came a few months ago and I’m not happy about it, but I believe that’s the plan. Good take on an Arizona AHL team feeding an SLC NHL team. I hadn’t thought of that awkwardness, but it is. Still holding out hope that the move doesn’t happen, though that hope is about as fragile as the hope I’ve held of my Devils making the playoffs over the past few months.
When the Whalers left Connecticut months later we had 8-10,000+ fans when the Rangers AHL team moved from Binghamton to Hartford. But there was nothing else to do in Hartford except go to big concerts in the summer. I think Phoenix having so much growth outside of hockey that the buzz and push for its return will die. Doubt ASU college games will see jumps in attendance. This is the curse of being in a city that has so much going for it outside of hockey.
Brodie can you please do a video on how the NHL is able to force the owner of the Coyotes to sell them the team so they can move it to SLC Utah. Was there an MLB Mccorts situation where MLB used its best interest of MLB clause to force them to sell.
I feel for the Phoenix fans. Losing a team sucks. Talk to Quebec Nordiques fans who have been waiting for almost 30 years, built a state of the art arena, and have a prospective billionaire owner who owns a sports tv channel.
But if Merurlo is going to own the Coyotes logo and trademark and doesn't meet the 5 year deadline then technically if a new owner comes in 8 years or whatever, they can't use that name unless Meruelo sells it. It would have made sense if Meruelo sells it to the NHL for 1 Billion then NHL owns the logo, name and trademark so they can sell it to the new owner. I think that's the only reason why the new Jets got their name and logo. Because the NHL owned the Coyotes back in 2009 and the original Jets logo. Which is why i don't think a new Quebec team can use Nordiques branding since it's with Colorado.
My real question in all of this is the history. With the coyotes being “dormant” does it mean the SLC team history starts from 2024 onwards? Can Winnipeg somehow get their original history back? Hopefully we get an answer soon
My understanding is that the team in Salt Lake is a new/clean slate team that purchased hockey operations only, and are technically an expansion team. The Coyotes franchise & trademarks are inactive but still belong to Meruelo for him to reactivate as the Coyotes once the arena is sorted out.
Not happening, the name would be dormant not the franchise. It just causes too much hassle to separate the records, players played for the Jets and yotes. Cant just eliminate entire career's like shane Doan cause he played for Phoenix mostly. Plus youd have to change stats for the Thrashers and Jets players, Bryan Little all of a sudden goes from 2nd in franchise games played, to probably 20th as only a Jet. And then what happens to the Atlanta stats? Cant combine Atlanta,Jets 1 and 2, and Phoenix stats into one team. It is what it is unfortunately.
Hockey is done in the valley of the sun . Regardless of what is announced Friday it's clear even with expansion It will be years down the road before we get another opportunity & that's only with a hockey arena built along with solid ownership -not someone like Alex m.
I believe the NHL's decision is more about the ownership than it is about anything else. If the NHL had faith in Meruelo they would have waited until June to see how the land bid turned out. Obviously, they've had enough of Meruelo and are cutting ties. There is zero chance they ever grant him another franchise. I'm guessing the 5yr window is a false promise to make him go away quietly and they will look for new ownership once that timeframe has lapsed.
I think that unless and until the AZ government overturns they're anti abortion law people should boycott all things AZ. Just like boycotting South Africa in the 80s. ijs imo 🤷🏻
@@tombraider2500 Saw a sports story on one of the local channels that he will continue to be involved in growing hockey in the Valley. I am sure much is predicated on whether they try to screw him on the land deal. If they pull another fast one and don't let him bid (or rig the bid) I see him taking his billions and moving on to a place where they want an NHL team
@@patrickjones785The tax payers of Salt Lake City agreed to spend nearly a billion dollars to build an arena and Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe wouldn’t even let Meruelo do it with no government money.
I think the NHL knows that Phoenix and surrounding area won’t let Alex built but had to make that condition in order for Alex to sell the team. If NHL hockey comes back it better be under different ownership. Alex is the reason they’re leaving.
I can NOT believe you are still dangling a carrot to gaslight Arizona Citizens into hanging on to the dubious dream of just being swindled by a future Hockey Team Owner.
ua-cam.com/video/ThZm6GaGNkM/v-deo.htmlsi=U6kfzPbmqpLv4P1J Just a reminder of what Phoenix hockey can be. It's too bad they didn't build an NHL rink and Arizona State shared it.
To be fair, Arizona has been much better about supporting youth hockey and developing players for the NHL than Carolina or Nashville, both of which have produced f*ck-all NHL talent.
Interestingly, Auston Matthews new 4 year contract could coincide with the process of buying land and building a new facility in AZ. Meruelo can return the $1B and start a new franchise with an only 30 year old native son RFA.
If the coyotes were gonna move, Houston would've made more sense because it's more central compared to Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City is too far west to be in the central.
These moves are more about which market has an owner willing to pay and a base of taxpayers willing to pay as well. SLC has both. Houston also would encroach on the DFW market the stars have. The NHL is in Arizona simply because it is a large market far enough away from other large market. Same reason Hartford where I live will never get a team even if an owner and new arena appeared overnight.
Without a nhl team draw. Do you really think businessmen will think first about pouring money into youth hockey. Hard to think about hockey when it's 120 degrees out
@@mhwales Hmmm, I thought I read where he graduated from a local HS.. clearly not the case.. I'm going to have to go see who that was.. that will drive me nuts until I do...
Coyotes Fans????? they couldn't fill a 4600 seat college arena for every game, and when it was full like when my Hawks were here it was 3/4 Hawks fans. same with the Canadian teams Flyers Red Wings Rangers etc.
Dbacks will be the next to leave-Nashville probable destination. Phoenix should just be happy with the NFL and NBA. Maybe get a minor league baseball and hockey team.
Interesting fact: Alex Meruelo was born the same day a magnitude 9.2 earthquake struck Anchorage, Alaska. The quake is believed to be the largest ever recorded. With regard to the potential move, this should have happened 15 years ago. Owners of the team never had the financial wherewithal to compete in a professional sports league. Want proof? Look at the number of hedge fund and private equity managers, and owners of large businesses (e.g. Walmart) in the league now.
Rewind back to 1996, when a young boy's heart broke as he felt helpless, losing his NHL hockey team from a passionate Canadian market to some city in a southwestern hot desert. That boy wished upon a star that one day, the desert would also lose that team and feel the same pain he felt. 26 years later, the wish the boy forgot he made came true. 🫢 Sorry, Yotes fans 🫣
Phoenix Coyotes Arizona Coyotes never became anything. They missed the playoffs and got in a few times every few years. 😢 Never made a serious push. Attendance was good in their early years. Glendale was a failure
Glendale was only a failure because of the Goldwater institute. Phoenix has NEVER supported hockey. In Chicago most fans live 30-40 minutes away and make that trip for every game. People here complained about driving to Glendale. My question is could the current owners buy the Glendale site lock stock and barrell?
I think Bettman wants the NHL to return to that big Metro Phoenix market. New arena = new team as long as they still need a team in the West in addition to Houston to get to 36 - can't believe it's 2024 and the NHL still doesn't have a team in the 4th largest market in the United States that has a hockey history. Houston & Phoenix in the West, Atlanta and ? in the East (Quebec City? Second Team in the North Toronto suburbs (Markham/Richmond Hill/Vaughn?).
@@joemeehan885 Houston has to be the priority IMO. There's only one NHL team in Texas, and all the other 3 major league sports have teams in both Dallas and Houston because they're smart.
Get rid of this poor excuse of an owner and don't let arizona come back unless it's a new owner, austin matthews is an overrated non performer come the playoffs, he's more concerned about going to the golf course then performing in the post season
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As an Utah sports fan, I am beyond excited to be getting the NHL in my hometown and am certainly going to be a diehard. It stinks, however, that all that has to come at the expense of the fans in Arizona losing their team. My heart goes out to them - I hope hockey returns to the desert soon. I will be cheering hard for Alex to win the land auction and get the barn built.
He’s going to run away so far with the cash, it ain’t funny!
I do also feel bad for the fans but at the same time, it's not like the NHL didn't try to force Arizona to want the coyotes and they just voted them down numerous times
Gratz man. They got potential. Little Doan is gonna be cool to watch grow. Enjoy :)
As a Utahn you should know Utah is still the desert
As a Canadian, we aren't mad about SLC / Utah getting a team. Not hearing anything bad about that. Nobody wants to see a team struggle for attendance or venues so hopefully they can do better farther north.
I was a Thrasher season ticket holder / super fan from day one until relocation.
It sucked so badly to see them move so I feel horrible for the Coyotes fans. Also listening to other fans applaud the team moving to a ‘real’ hockey market stung.
As a Canadian I was glad the moved to Winnipeg though (Quebec City would have been fine too).
Watching the Jets play their first game felt like watching my wife get railed by another guy.
I spent the entire summer of 2011 lamenting the loss of my beloved hockey team.
In the fall of 2011 however was the airline crash killing almost the entire Yaroslavl Lokomotiv hockey hockey team.
This event immediately changed my perspective on what ‘losing your hockey team’ can really mean.
It sobered me right up.
I remember that crash. It was horrible. Still, having your team abandon you hurts.
I was a Jets 1.0 fan and now a 2.0 fan. Sorry for Atlantas loss but I can tell you that I felt that pain back in 1996 when the Jets were ripped away from us to Phoenix so I understand 100%. Hopefully Atlanta gets a team back like we did. And AZ too.
I hate all the fans that celebrate other fans' misery.
Regarding local hockey in Phoenix- the NHL leaving is not a certain death knell. Since the Thrashers left Atlanta, the local leagues have grown. We got a couple of new rinks and at least 1 new junior club.
There is no excuse for the league to be in the likes of Columbus and Las Vegas and not Atlanta. It is just ridiculous.
Alex Meruelo was NOT at the arena tonight for their last game. If that's not a slap in the face, I don't know what is.
Brodie I watch your drops everyday. Love the format. Very succinct reporting and you capture the essence of the story. Great points in this one about youth hockey and hockey fans in the Phoenix area. I was at the game where Josh Doan got his first 2 goals. There are many great fans in that city. They deserve another franchise that should be run to the standard the fans deserve.
Thanks Bob!
The Tucson Roadrunners are the AHL affiliate of the team that is now moving to Utah. Meanwhile, the Utah Grizzlies are the ECHL affiliate of the Colorado Avalanche....
Crazy that I saw the Coyotes in Melbourne, Australia before the season started and that was their final season, as we know it. I joked Gary made them go after Vancouver refused.
I remember when the Nordiques left Quebec City in 1995, not because of lack of revenues and arena, they left because the ownership group weren’t ready to gamble their money in a league without salary cap and hockey revenues redistribution, wich are in place now. The whole community was devastated. Then the wound slowly started to heal, until the Stanley Cup playoffs, where the Avalanche, our former team, won the Stanley Cup. That was a major blow to a traditional hockey market, from 1996 to 2003 I fully gave up on NHL hockey. I feel for people of Arizona, losing your team sucks, but at least they have commitments from the league to get a team back, even if the team had no home for the last few years, went bankrupt, had several scandals related to ownership…but in my hometown, Quebec City, new potential ownership invested in a brand new state of the art arena, they have deep pockets and their own sports network and the league keeps saying no, wich is really frustrating. The local junior team sold out 18,000 seats in the last playoffs, hockey in Quebec City is a religion and the NHL is more focused on new markets and revenues than the fans…good luck Arizona
As a fan i know the feeling of losing a team via relocation it hurts
as a decades long hockey fan, and a yotes fan as long as the kings werent in town.. as someone who went to 30+ home games one season, i can say without any doubt that i give zero sh!ts about hockey in PHX if its still under the ownership of the mierdas. Really left a bad taste in my mouth and no way Id continue to support the same facilitators of this effery..
One of the challenges with youth hockey in areas where there are limited ice rinks is that there is competition for ice time during the limited amount of time after school. I'm in Southern California, and there are people (especially parents) involved in the major youth teams who don't care how many kids are playing ice hockey. They don't see any value in a 12 year old who can't skate taking ice time away from skilled 12 year olds. They feel more skilled 12 year olds are lost due to not getting ice time after school and instead having to get up at 6am to go to the rink, so they quit and start playing lacrosse or basketball. Getting those new to hockey to show up at a rink at 6am is impossible. The argument is that more kids will want to play hockey if there are draft picks and superstars from the region - so putting all their resources into a limited number of potential NHL players is the goal - and this is happening in some areas of Southern California where the best ice time is going to support those top-tier players and girls and older new players aren't seen as important. But in terms of growth of hockey, older kids and teens playing and learning the sport is crucial. My cousin played hockey in Scottsdale in the 1980s. He's not some star player, he's a hockey fan (now in Colorado). There are only a few players who will make the NHL, but to support an NHL team there needs to be more hockey fans. And playing hockey is one of the best ways for people to gain hockey knowledge and love of the sports.
My high school championship at the ice den was the craziest atmosphere I’ve ever experienced
1 or 2 Exhibition games per season would help keep people interested with Vegas, LA, Anaheim, Dallas, and yes even Utah
The Roadrunners will have better support in Tucson than in Phoenix...... Coyotes fans will opt for ASU over a Meruelo-owned AHL team.
Brodie, I really like your knowledge of this story. Just curious, is this similar to what the Oakland franchise is going through? Thank you for sharing your thoughts/ knowledge on this
It’s similar enough but nowhere near identical. If that makes sense? Equally bad for both fan bases.
Btw Brodie, totally off topic but did you see the smile on Hertl's face the other day when he scored the GWG against the Avs??? Glad to see that Hertl smile is back, just like the good ol days down at the Shark Tank!!!
They still make merchandise for the Whalers and Nordiques, don’t see why the Coyotes would be any different.
If Phoenix gets another NHL team, I bet the Tucson team is sold (while keeping the Roadrunners name in Arizona) to a group that moves the team out of state (Boise?), and the Roadrunners start from scratch as the Coyotes' AHL affiliate without missing a beat.
Its a highly populated market phoenix,but theres no interest in building exceptable arena,and salt lake smaller market surprised they got team.
Meruelo owns the Coyotes name and trademark. He also owns the Roadrunners. Would it be crazy to consider temporarily rebranding the Roadrunners as the Coyotes, playing in the AHL? Keep fans cheering on the brand and wearing the merchandise, keep kids and families engaging with Howler, all while providing access at more family friendly prices? Then if (hopefully when) the Coyotes come back to the NHL it would be a really fun and exciting transition.
Hmm interesting
I sure hope not. Roadrunners is a fantastic name.
A number of AHL teams already share the names of their NHL parent clubs, so I don't see that rebranding crazy at all. I do like the Roadrunners name though.
That actually doesn’t sound far fetched as Hartford did it for a brief period when they were known as the Connecticut Whale as a nod to the whalers
Yeah, but one team (Whalers) were the HUNTERS and the other (Whale) were the PREY. I always thought it was odd. Maybe it should have been the Harpoons!
Don't move any of the Roadrunners home games to Phoenix. First, if a big city is used to NHL hockey, it's doubtful an AHL team will be much of an attraction. Second, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - if the Roadrunners have good fan support in Tucson, don't take it away from them just because Phoenix lost their NHL team - they'll likely resent it and may not return. Finally, as Bruiser Brodie pointed out, the AHL affiliate of the Utah team would really go over well with Coyotes fans.
We have a strong RR fan base here in Tucson.
@@BlottyWellRite Is that why their attendance is terrible?
@@ElmerFudd16 I refuse to answer your ridicule
@@BlottyWellRite The Coyotes were in a 4600 seat arena, and outdrawing a playoff Roadrunners team LOL
Alex Meruelo owns the Grand Sierra resort in Reno and he announced plans to expand the resort and build a 10,000 seat Arena on his property with the UNR Basketball team as tenants. Perhaps he moves the Roadrunners to Reno which is much closer than Tucson to Salt Lake City. Just a theory.
Brodie is an amazing analyst, love this guy. @ESPN
I would like to hear what Austin Matthews thinks says about growing up in Arizona and thinks of them moving to Utah and the future hopes of getting an expansion team
Youth hockey is expensive, even in Minnesota, even with outdoor ice. Having to try and continue hockey with the expenses involved in desert ice facilities is going to be damned hard. Even in some locations in Minneapolis and its inner suburbs youth hockey is dying. At one point there were thousands of kids skating in Minneapolis proper, now a few hundred at best. In Bloomington, MN in the 1990's and 2000's we had two youth organizations with dozens of teams, hundreds of kids from mites to high school. Now that's all gone. The town of 100,000+ can barely field a dozen(in a really good season) mite teams and barely one youth team at squirts through bantam and only 1 junior team.
The wealthiest exburban/ suburban locations are doing better, but even they are having difficulty finding $$$ to pay for ice and parents that can afford the gear,the time etc. It doesn't help that the demographics are reducing potential players( think DINK "families") and the costs keep rising.
My oldest son is an avid Coyotes fan,we've traveled to Phoenix for a few games and having watched the North Stars leave town I know what the fans are feeling.
Phoenix should focus on getting a MLS team here. I think the youth hockey players will switch to soccer or football.
Mullet Arena is smaller than TCC, so why would they move?
Exactly...
Only reason would be to honor the original lease at the Mullet.
What a bizarre situation
BETTER Looking Uniform, hopefully.
This has to be the most delusional take on the Coyotes exit. Return of the NHL?! Wow.
Like that cheapskate Yotes owner is going to spend any of his windfall on returning hockey to Arizona 🙄
I hope that unlike immature fanboys like the host....they will get on with their life.?
Coupled with a looming recession, sports fans are going to spend a lot less as the NHL likely contracts by 4-6 teams......
NFLs Cleveland Browns went on hiatus when they moved to Baltimore until several years later and when the AFC and NFC expanded from three divisions to four divisions.
A lot of pro sports teams have minor league affiliates 1 to 2 states away. So put a minor league team for SLC somewhere in northern Arizona
As an az sports fan I am sad
I guess I will cheer for austin Matthews.
He live in my city where I grew up.
As Coyotes fans, The Wife and I went to the very first home game, first year sweaters (in white for the White Out) both our cars have Coyotes license plates and multiple decals, we are very sad to see them leave. That being said, I was my understanding that the NHL owns the rights to the team names. Which is why the Jets were able to reclaim that name. Am I mistaken? And thanks for the well balanced commentary, a lot of haters out there.
It’s a 30 minute flight ✈️ to Vegas or a 4 hour drive. I suspect tickets to Vegas golden night’s hockey games will be more popular.
I would work to make the Utah Grizzlies the new AHL affiliate for Utah. A lot would need to happen there.
One thing i know is Tucson will show up and appriciate the roadrunners more than Phoenix will! The fan base has been growing more and more every year
Just can't stop supporting the next sports team owner with real estate wet dreams shakedown tactics
Good idea re. more rinks, but who's going to pay for them? For those of us who aren't great skaters because they started out too late in childhood (raises his hand) here in Canada, we played ball hockey out on the street and league floor hockey at the local gym / community center. There's also roller hockey. Note, playing ice hockey is expensive re. equipment, and of course Arizona doesn't have the long history of hockey that Canadian and Northeastern US cities and towns have.
Now it’s time to turn to the positives and future in Utah. A fanbase that didn’t vote down an arena and will have a good owner
We’ll see. It wasn’t the fans. The money was all decided by the legislature. Unfortunately, still the possibility of revolt from residents.
Wait until the novelty wears off and the team sucks, whatever initial passion SLC has might end up just like AZ.
@@sebastianbelcher5354 *yawns in 292 straight sold out Utah Jazz home games with a 2 year losing record* 🥱🥱🥱 and the franchise is 50 years old here 😂
Probably the same as us Oakland fans Brody
The Roadrunners should be able to sell out Mullet every game ideally
Don’t forget the Jets were moved to Arizona.
I want Arizona to get a 2nd chance ,BUT with NEW Owners and an Arena Deal comparable to other NHL Clubs.
I'm not sure you need to move the Roadrunners to Phoenix because you have Arizona State University. The team that Mullet Arena was built for.
They own Phoenix now. Phoenix is in line for a 3 on 3 hockey team
Its like when my earthquakes moved to houston essentially
Here in Quebec City, since '95 we have lost our Nordiques... Maybe it's really time to bring them back.
Can Phoenix host an NHL Draft? Unlikely, since the league decided they won’t have in-person drafts beyond this year. The announcement came a few months ago and I’m not happy about it, but I believe that’s the plan.
Good take on an Arizona AHL team feeding an SLC NHL team. I hadn’t thought of that awkwardness, but it is.
Still holding out hope that the move doesn’t happen, though that hope is about as fragile as the hope I’ve held of my Devils making the playoffs over the past few months.
When the Whalers left Connecticut months later we had 8-10,000+ fans when the Rangers AHL team moved from Binghamton to Hartford. But there was nothing else to do in Hartford except go to big concerts in the summer. I think Phoenix having so much growth outside of hockey that the buzz and push for its return will die. Doubt ASU college games will see jumps in attendance. This is the curse of being in a city that has so much going for it outside of hockey.
Brodie can you please do a video on how the NHL is able to force the owner of the Coyotes to sell them the team so they can move it to SLC Utah. Was there an MLB Mccorts situation where MLB used its best interest of MLB clause to force them to sell.
Tucson is 1.5 hour absolute top, its an hour on the dot from Marana fwiw not 2 hours
Marana is only 10 minutes away from Tucson if you do 90 down I-10
What will their new name be? Since they already have the Utah Jizz for ball, maybe do a theme like the State cooking pot being the Dutch oven?
I feel for the Phoenix fans. Losing a team sucks. Talk to Quebec Nordiques fans who have been waiting for almost 30 years, built a state of the art arena, and have a prospective billionaire owner who owns a sports tv channel.
But if Merurlo is going to own the Coyotes logo and trademark and doesn't meet the 5 year deadline then technically if a new owner comes in 8 years or whatever, they can't use that name unless Meruelo sells it.
It would have made sense if Meruelo sells it to the NHL for 1 Billion then NHL owns the logo, name and trademark so they can sell it to the new owner.
I think that's the only reason why the new Jets got their name and logo. Because the NHL owned the Coyotes back in 2009 and the original Jets logo.
Which is why i don't think a new Quebec team can use Nordiques branding since it's with Colorado.
My real question in all of this is the history. With the coyotes being “dormant” does it mean the SLC team history starts from 2024 onwards? Can Winnipeg somehow get their original history back? Hopefully we get an answer soon
My understanding is that the team in Salt Lake is a new/clean slate team that purchased hockey operations only, and are technically an expansion team. The Coyotes franchise & trademarks are inactive but still belong to Meruelo for him to reactivate as the Coyotes once the arena is sorted out.
Salt Lake will be like the New Jersey Devils...who keep the history of the Rockies and Scouts.
Not happening, the name would be dormant not the franchise.
It just causes too much hassle to separate the records, players played for the Jets and yotes. Cant just eliminate entire career's like shane Doan cause he played for Phoenix mostly.
Plus youd have to change stats for the Thrashers and Jets players, Bryan Little all of a sudden goes from 2nd in franchise games played, to probably 20th as only a Jet.
And then what happens to the Atlanta stats?
Cant combine Atlanta,Jets 1 and 2, and Phoenix stats into one team.
It is what it is unfortunately.
Hockey is done in the valley of the sun . Regardless of what is announced Friday it's clear even with expansion It will be years down the road before we get another opportunity & that's only with a hockey arena built along with solid ownership -not someone like Alex m.
Phoenix should pursue a MLS team.
Why would the NHL look back into a market for which attendance has been an issue?
It’s over😢..
Quebec City ....stilll waiting ✋️ pffff coyotes been rotten since 96
I believe the NHL's decision is more about the ownership than it is about anything else. If the NHL had faith in Meruelo they would have waited until June to see how the land bid turned out. Obviously, they've had enough of Meruelo and are cutting ties. There is zero chance they ever grant him another franchise. I'm guessing the 5yr window is a false promise to make him go away quietly and they will look for new ownership once that timeframe has lapsed.
I think that unless and until the AZ government overturns they're anti abortion law people should boycott all things AZ. Just like boycotting South Africa in the 80s. ijs imo 🤷🏻
Why does politics have to be inserted into sports? Just stop it!
Since they seem to like to follow the example set in Winnipeg, get an AHL team and support it.
Someone needs to ask Meruelo if he might invest the billion dollars he is paid and fund the youth hockey in the valley during the break.
He has been doing that
@@patrickjones785I’m hoping that selling doesn’t change that, he says he’s committed to the community, but he’s been kinda quiet lately.
@@tombraider2500 Saw a sports story on one of the local channels that he will continue to be involved in growing hockey in the Valley. I am sure much is predicated on whether they try to screw him on the land deal. If they pull another fast one and don't let him bid (or rig the bid) I see him taking his billions and moving on to a place where they want an NHL team
@@patrickjones785The tax payers of Salt Lake City agreed to spend nearly a billion dollars to build an arena and Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe wouldn’t even let Meruelo do it with no government money.
Roadrunners will not be under Utah in 3-6 years watch
I Wonder what will happen to the Utah Grizzlies
They are going to stay because they are the ECHL team for the avalanche
I think the NHL knows that Phoenix and surrounding area won’t let Alex built but had to make that condition in order for Alex to sell the team. If NHL hockey comes back it better be under different ownership. Alex is the reason they’re leaving.
What is Arizona going to do when their top cheerleader Gary retires? Hopefully the next commissioner is not as big an asshole as Bettman.
@@DNSKansas No idea. Arizona is a huge TV market so I understand the desire but 🤷🏻♂️
What I want to know is if Arizona is allowed to get an expansion team do they have to pay the expansion fees. If they do they won’t get a team.
In that case Meruelo would give his $1b back to the NHL as an expansion fee. Another reason why it won’t happen 😢
In just a few short days, Utah HC will play their first game
I can NOT believe you are still dangling a carrot to gaslight Arizona Citizens into hanging on to the dubious dream of just being swindled by a future Hockey Team Owner.
Its over. ASU Sun Devil hockey will be the face of Phoenix hockey from here on out.
I know Glendale is far away from the fan base, but he should’ve signed the lease to stay and we wouldn’t be at this point.
glendale wanted to get rid of ARZ to focus on better, more profitable events for the arena.
@@gabetalks9275no it didn’t, it’s still up and running; there’s a concert there next week.
PHUCK GLENDALE...
He also should have paid his rent.
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Just a reminder of what Phoenix hockey can be. It's too bad they didn't build an NHL rink and Arizona State shared it.
Great video, thank you for the reminder. It was never the fans' fault.
Welcome to salt lake city baby
To be fair, Arizona has been much better about supporting youth hockey and developing players for the NHL than Carolina or Nashville, both of which have produced f*ck-all NHL talent.
will the new owners in Utah upgrade the Utah Grizzlies to the AHL just like the Avalanche did with the Colorado Eagles?
What happens to the fans? They have to move too.😅
Interestingly, Auston Matthews new 4 year contract could coincide with the process of buying land and building a new facility in AZ. Meruelo can return the $1B and start a new franchise with an only 30 year old native son RFA.
If the coyotes were gonna move, Houston would've made more sense because it's more central compared to Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City is too far west to be in the central.
Do you know where Phoenix is?
These moves are more about which market has an owner willing to pay and a base of taxpayers willing to pay as well. SLC has both. Houston also would encroach on the DFW market the stars have. The NHL is in Arizona simply because it is a large market far enough away from other large market. Same reason Hartford where I live will never get a team even if an owner and new arena appeared overnight.
Salt lake city is directly north of Phoenix anyway, and it's mountain timezone which works for central divison
SLC is more East than PHX. Look at a map.
Geez look at a map
Final game tonight, I am cheering for Edmonton but I feel for Coyotes fans
cheer for the yotes tonight, not like the oilers are out of the playoffs if they lose this game.
@@Dratchev241 why would I cheer for a team I have never supported and have no connection to?
@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija I cheer for the Oilers AFTER the Yotes. McJesus is my favorite offensive player in the whole league.
@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija its the last time we going to see the yotes dude.
Phoenix had the Roadrunners before so why not bring it back?
It would make more sense to bring the Grizzlies to Phoenix.
Without a nhl team draw. Do you really think businessmen will think first about pouring money into youth hockey. Hard to think about hockey when it's 120 degrees out
Why not? Nobody wants to be outside and an ice rink is nice and cool
Chris Drury is also from this area... so Austin is not alone... Drury was a star in the 2000's...
Drury is from Connecticut.
@@mhwales Hmmm, I thought I read where he graduated from a local HS.. clearly not the case.. I'm going to have to go see who that was.. that will drive me nuts until I do...
The sharks were more deserving of relocation
Coyotes Fans????? they couldn't fill a 4600 seat college arena for every game, and when it was full like when my Hawks were here it was 3/4 Hawks fans. same with the Canadian teams Flyers Red Wings Rangers etc.
Dbacks will be the next to leave-Nashville probable destination. Phoenix should just be happy with the NFL and NBA. Maybe get a minor league baseball and hockey team.
Move the Yotes to SLC, move the Roadrunners to the Valley and somehow send the Grizzlies to Tucson💪 nobody loses a team!
Interesting fact: Alex Meruelo was born the same day a magnitude 9.2 earthquake struck Anchorage, Alaska. The quake is believed to be the largest ever recorded. With regard to the potential move, this should have happened 15 years ago. Owners of the team never had the financial wherewithal to compete in a professional sports league. Want proof? Look at the number of hedge fund and private equity managers, and owners of large businesses (e.g. Walmart) in the league now.
Shouldve never left phoenix and share the arena with the Suns
Move the Utah echl team to phoenix
Is the statistical history going to Utah, or are they gonna shift that history to the new Coyotes if they come.
Auston Matthews will ALWAYS be a San Ramon boy. Nothing he can do to change that. We can always claim him as ours first lol.
They're not coming back. Their owner is a con man who played the NHL.
Rewind back to 1996, when a young boy's heart broke as he felt helpless, losing his NHL hockey team from a passionate Canadian market to some city in a southwestern hot desert. That boy wished upon a star that one day, the desert would also lose that team and feel the same pain he felt. 26 years later, the wish the boy forgot he made came true. 🫢 Sorry, Yotes fans 🫣
It hurts but we have college hockey and that wish of mine that ASU have a major college hockey team is alive and well. We will be fine.
What comes next? You've been freed. Do you know how hard it is to lead?...... Wait, this isn't a Hamilton video? :-)
Phoenix Coyotes Arizona Coyotes never became anything. They missed the playoffs and got in a few times every few years. 😢 Never made a serious push. Attendance was good in their early years. Glendale was a failure
Glendale was only a failure because of the Goldwater institute. Phoenix has NEVER supported hockey. In Chicago most fans live 30-40 minutes away and make that trip for every game. People here complained about driving to Glendale. My question is could the current owners buy the Glendale site lock stock and barrell?
@@patrickjones785 never legitimately pushed toward the Cup
I think Bettman wants the NHL to return to that big Metro Phoenix market. New arena = new team as long as they still need a team in the West in addition to Houston to get to 36 - can't believe it's 2024 and the NHL still doesn't have a team in the 4th largest market in the United States that has a hockey history. Houston & Phoenix in the West, Atlanta and ? in the East (Quebec City? Second Team in the North Toronto suburbs (Markham/Richmond Hill/Vaughn?).
I think Portland should get an NHL team before we get more in Texas
@@joemeehan885 Houston has to be the priority IMO. There's only one NHL team in Texas, and all the other 3 major league sports have teams in both Dallas and Houston because they're smart.
Who the hell is Brodie Brazil?
Stay where you are wanted. Fans are in Az
Utah should get its own team
Stop this BS
They weren’t wanted in Arizona.
Get rid of this poor excuse of an owner and don't let arizona come back unless it's a new owner, austin matthews is an overrated non performer come the playoffs, he's more concerned about going to the golf course then performing in the post season
At this point Saskatoon fucking Saskatchewan deserves a team more than arizona
LMAO