The erasure of Palestinian suffering | Randa Abdel Fattah | The Big Picture S4E1
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
- What does coverage of Gaza tell us about the West?
A recent report into mainstream news coverage found Islamophobic and anti-Arab language was widely used in covering the events after October 7, and Israeli victims were described with emotive language 11 times more than Palestinian victims.
It also documented how pro-Palestinian voices were frequently vilified and treated with hostility during interviews. So why is this happening?
In our first episode of Season 3 of The Big Picture Podcast, we sit down with sociologist and writer Dr Randa Abdel Fattah, who speaks about her first-hand experience as an outspoken Palestinian academic.
She argues in her work that media narratives paint Palestinians and Arabs as ‘unreasonable, unrestrained and uncivilised’ as a way of maintaining a Western colonial order.
#TheBigPicture is weekly show produced and presented by Mohamed Hassan about the big ideas that shape our past, present and future. Subscribe and listen on all podcast platforms: thebigpicture.buzzsprout.com/
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:56 - Five months on from October 7
2:56 - Media's narrative around Gaza
6:20 - The violence of language vs real violence
11:50 - Palestinian men portrayed as 'barbaric, hypersexualised'
15:00 - Pressure on Palestinian voices in the public
18:00 - How to strategise effectively
20:00 - Talking about the Nakba and Apartheid
23:00 - Australia's government referred to the ICC
27:30 - Learning from past mistakes
30:45 - Dealing with the trauma of Gaza
35:42 - The detention and humiliation of Palestinians
39:00 - The 'mass rape' narrative & ignoring Palestinian victims
42:35 - Changing the orientalist narratives in the media
47:20 - A new narrative for the future
49:45 - Outro
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Brilliant woman, great discussion.
Yes, she is with brilliants… she is making big money lying…
This is one time I’m so grateful for social media as it is truly the only way I would be aware of the atrocity happening in Gaza as most news is suppressed here in the US.
The mainstream media is 100% behind the "Palestinians." Anybody who defends Israel is censored.
If you are not careful the Western Media would like you to love the ones who are being oppressed.And loving the people who are doing the oppressing. Just look at BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC.
H-mas is to blame for it all.
Well in that case don't blame the Nazis for Genocide as Zionist Israel is doing but blame Europe .
How dumb do you get!?@@elkobit7415
1. Haifa Massacre 1937
2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937
3. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
4. Haifa Massacre 1939
5. Haifa Massacre 1947
6. Abbasiya Massacre 1947
7. Al-Khisas Massacre1947
8. Bab al-Amud Massacre
9. Jerusalem Massacre 1947
10. Sheikh Burek Massacre1947
11. Jaffa Massacre 1948
12. Deir Yassin Massacre
13. Tantura Massacre 1948
14. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
15. Jerusalem Massacre 1967
16. Bahro Al Baquar 1972
17. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
18. Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990
19. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
20. Jenin Refugee Camp
April 2002
21. Gaza Massacre 2008-09
22. Gaza Massacre 2012
22. Gaza Massacre 2014
24. Gaza Massacre- 2018-19
25. Gaza Massacre2021
26. Gaza Massacre 2023 is still ongoing
DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON October 7th
thank you, I will use it in my arguments about the injustice done to the Palestinians...
Incisive list of bloodshed of the innocent 😢 Shoukran Habibi
thank you for that list
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Messiah and King of the Jews. He shall soon return to save Israel and give them the Holy Land. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" (Psalm 2:6, KJV). Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Establish the Kingdom of Peace in Jerusalem (Isaiah 9:7, KJV)!
Thank you so much. I will save this list and look up each one. Indeed, history predates October of last year that many morons seem to forget, and evil creatures purposely do not mention.
The atrocious killing of Hind Rajab a six years old was ignored by Western media like it's ok whatever the IDF does on Gaza soil
it's tragic, but i think part of the reason a Palestinian child's tragic death may not always be felt the way you would think is because for so long the rest of the world has seen Palestinians commit such atrocities such as strapping bombs onto their children, allowing them to throw Molotov cocktails against armies, etc. Wasn't it just a 15-year-old that stabbed an Israeli at a check point. Where were his parents? I guess they find comfort in believing they died martyrs. I'm not being sarcastic; I believe this ideology is the problem.
@@user-sz9yz5wb6x Hey, guess why they do these attacks? You think it's because they are bored?
No, they are desperate. For what? Not attention!
@@user-sz9yz5wb6x Israel has demonstrated no respect for human life . IDF are on trial by genocide. Even United States are sick and tired of the lack of humanity of Israel trying to submit an entire population by starvation . Currently there are massive protests inside Israel against the regime
I'm talking about their children. Would you let yours go out and do these things or would you as an adult try and take some action? Would you allow terrorists to strap bombs to your child because you feel desperate? If you truly thought it would change things maybe you would do it your self, not allow the children. Hanan Ashwari a very well respected woman among the Palestinian people, years ago, begged the Palestinians to stop "killing our children". Referring to the suicide bombs. What parent does this or allows this. @@Moses_VII
@@user-sz9yz5wb6xnot true 👎😔👎.you don't even know what really happened.
Thank you so much for shining on more light on this topic. Very well explained.
Amazing interview. Thank you so much for this 🙏 lets hope there are more and more people able to speak out like this
From the River to the Sea,
Palestine will be free 🇵🇸
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From Ireland 🇮🇪
Boycotting, emailing, badgering politicians, signing petitions, sending money to UNRWA, UNICEF and Amnesty and arguing with crazy zionists.
Won't give up.
Fury, outrage and tears for Gaza.
What a great interview. I have yet to listen to a palestinian voice as cogent and clear minded in her communication as Dr Fattah. A real pleasure, and most importantly, a real necessity in these times of systemic racism and genocide apologia.
Brilliant, I agree. This interview: so necessary.
She’s incredible! Another good Palestinian scholar to listen to is Rasheed Khalidi. He has done a bunch of interviews. The most recent one I’ve seen was with the Majority Report.
Yes, she is lying pretty smoothly…😜
@@user-zq7zb6ew8p Thatz a pathetic argument. Do you have facts to contribute? If not, go back to your sandbox, child.
Shame on you America and your human right us complicity in genocide in Gaza the us no longer has the right to take about human rights when refuses to stop a genocide in Gaza
Then don’t try to get in US. Why are begging for visa? Stay in your sh*t hole.
Great, well read and dignified lecture
Thank you for a very informative interview. All forms of settler colonialism ought to be condemned.
……”Zionism is a genocidal ideology”. “It should be dismantled and destroyed “. Professor David Miller, a former Bristol University academic. Israel is a brutal occupying colonialist Power which committed Genocide in 1948, slow incremental genocide before October 7th against Gaza, now full-blown genocide and ethnic cleansing at many different levels in the Palestinian Territories. It is first and foremost the security of the Palestinians that should be given topmost priority.
They are getting more bold and not even trying to cover it up at this point and I think it’s because they haven’t been called out on anything or even had any consequences…. I’m disgusted by America and even the Arab countries for not banding together to stop this, not just now but since 1948….. this should never have been allowed to happen…. I just want to scream and cry and I have… humanity is at a crossroads right now!
@@sheriluke9950I know the feeling.
I'm Irish, we had 700 years of British colonialism,
1 million of us were allowed to starve to death in 1847.
Our country was and still has a border imposed on it and when we fought back we were called terrorists.
I wholeheartedly stand with and for Palastine.
Always did and always will.
I've just seen out Taoiseach tell Joe B that we want an immediate ceasefire and immediate humanitarian aid to enter Gaza.
Personally I'd prefer he hadn't gone to the US at all but they seem to think it's better to go over and state their case.
Still, I'd prefer they boycotted.
From Ireland.
Still screaming and fighting for Gaza.
@@tracysauvage1351
I remember in the 80’s how they labeled the IRA terrorists for their resistance
Ireland is one of the brave countries that aren’t afraid to speak out
The aggression and massacre in gazza has exposed the hollowness and total lack of humanity of the western nations. They parade as advanced progressive nations and have a great love for human rights. Their inaction on gazza has completely obliterated any credibility one might have had.
On the contrary I have a perception of them being barbarians at heart with no trace of humanity at all.
For me western civilisation is doomed , incapable of truly contributing to the advancement of humanity.
@@sheriluke9950Relax, honey, it hormones….
We need to teach masses, how media controls perceptions and how propaganda is used. And just how much money is spent for controlling the narrative. The issue may seem like a Palestinian issue but it is much deeper and it really is a glimpse into foreshadowing future for whole of humanity. If we allow it to continue.
“we need to teach masses…”. You are pretty nasty mass of sh*t.
Great, informative and eye opening interview. Thank you Dr Randa.
What a great interview, great in deaf knowledge from the both of you, keep fighting and keep resisting no one should be quiet and silent.
*in depth
Stunning articulation and best synopsis. Most likely to share w/younger relatives. Who can read, who may care, but not yet know these big picture truths. Gigantic appreciation. To all teams on this! Free Julian Assange. Protect journalists. May peace win bc telling the truth now, is love. For all of humanity.
Thank you Randa😍
Excellent! Lansing Michigan sends love ❤️
From Lansing Michigan you will be sent back where you came from😜
Excellent interview!
Randa unbelievably and beautifully clear eyed and articulate. What an icon for truth of the downtrodden and the oppressed.
Great interview. Smart and intelligent human being. Way to go Dr.
thank you for that
Brilliant woman, brilliant interview.
Thank you so much for all the work you do for the liberation of Palestinians and hopefully the wider populations all over the world.
As for the men, I always make people aware that the men are just as worthy of mentioning and safeguarding.
Thanks for this insightful and educating talk
Historians Cheikh Anta Diop (The African Origin of Civilization) and Ivan Van Sertima (African Presence in Early Asia) have written extensively on the subject of animosity toward the Africans and the Saricans expressed in extremely racist propaganda mythologized and imbued into European culture stretching from the Greeks antiquity to the period of the Moors.
The term Saracen is used throughout the "Doctrine of Discovery" but originates in Greek and Latin writings between the 5th and 15th centuries to refer to the people who lived in and near what was designated by the Romans as Arabia Petraea and Arabia Deserta. The term's meaning evolved during its history of usage. During the Early Middle Ages, the term came to be associated with the tribes of Arabia.
Sources:
Compartmentalized An Incomplete History The Muslims of Spain Post 897h - 1492A.D.
McCall, D. F. (1974). Cheikh Anta Diop, The African Origin of Civilization. Journal of Asian and African Studies, 9(1), 91.
Van Sertima, I., & Rashidi, R. (Eds.). (1988). African presence in early Asia.
Thank you so much Randa ....keep it up
Beautiful interview. I am so glad that the truth is finally coming out. Thank you for your bravery to fight this organized racism.
Absolutely fantastic. I learnt so much. Thank you. May Allah strengthen your hand.
Yes, new lies to adapt.😜
You are the Best Ever Middle East !!
Well articulated Randa as always .. what an advocate for Palestine a LOUD VOICE for your community speaking truth to power
Randa is absolutely correct
Very informative. I like her scope of research also. She's right we go from the ground up.
They are complicit.
Thanks so much for introducing me to this scholar. This was such an important interview. I will be sharing and trying to get so-called “progressives” to watch it!
When Oct 7 happened, I remembered full well the lies and propaganda of 9-11 as well as the response to it. I recognized it from day 1. So I listened to non Western voices and different sources. I’m glad I did. I am older. But I am still more than capable of learning new things and working to end racism and oppression. Free Palestine 🇵🇸!
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I agree with you Randa, I need my emotions but I have much more in me. I worked with refugees and governments for years. I grew up in Ireland. Most of the Leaders of Ireland in the 1916 Uprising were writers and journalists at a time when the press was booming.
Dr. Randa Abdel Fattah, dignified, determined and beautiful. 🪁
Shame shame shame the way you were addressed by the appalling Erin Molin. I hope she apologies to you Randa. Erin is a joke.
#freepalestine💕🇵🇸🇮🇷💕
This conversation was right on. I have personally experienced my evolution of thinking on the media, ex: irrelavance of NYT as a trusted source. I had to verbally argue with me husband on every lie that they published till he cancelled & now I'm proud of him. But he is a white zombie who can compartmentalize the suffering of others while I cry & walk around at night thinking of people suffering, sleeping in the cold & being hungry & homeless.
I didn't understand & dismissed social media, thinking it was just about make-up or dances, but now I understand the democratization of all things even make-up & dances but especially news media. I now tune out the old sources like NPR, PBS ...and I've searched & searched till I found you & similar independent sources that wxplain history & movements. I won't go back & trust NPR, PBS anymore, especially when they employ ex-IDF.ers. I won't support politicians qho take $ from AIPAC.
This massacre of Palestians has rebirthed my mind to see the despiration of the empire to hold on to its waning dominence by any which way it can. THANK You!
Since this latest & worst conflict towards the Palestinians I have only listened to those that have educated me about the history of the colonisation of the Palestinian people, I'm not ignoring what happened on Oct 7, I thought at the time, how awful things are that in order to show the world how brutel Isreal has been for 75 years to the Palestinians that how they have resisted, then I learnt that since the state of Isreal was created, in order to mark their place in the world they have been selling arms & surveillance technologies firstly trying them out on Palestinians to countries that have used them for genocide & looked to Isreal for how to get away with it,, little wonder no one is really stopping the genocide in Gaza, Governments might not be listening but millions of us around the planet are & we want a ceasefire & the Palestinians to be free.
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Arabs praising Arabs…. and blaming Jews… So unexpected … 😜
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The desensitation she is talking about is indeed worrying especially for me living in Germany as we are moving, again , towards Nazi Parties in Power . But i think its not just repeated Israeli atrocities, which has been "background noise" for my entire life , but also an effect of the "neoliberal" policies which completly dehumanised the poor parts of the populace and normalized political rethoric that puts company profits before human dignity . Looking at the disregard for workers rights laws and the fraudulent way healthcare companies acting to a deadly degree. While there is a lot of blame to be put on the Media in general i feel with the import of american shows like "next top model" and " Germany's Idol " we did make Sadism into Entertainment and not just accepted but a "normal" way of treating other people . The way people who watch Television talk and the way those who dont talk is striking . And of course , as i'm living in Germany , Alcohol abuse has increased semmingly in conjunction . Which seems to be a general trend among western nations : the more repression and cruelty is coming from the economy the more "functioning" Alcoholics are walking around both in the victims and also crucially in the perpetrators to the point that even a blatantly racist party like the AFD has many supporters that seem to live in a very strange alternative reality where their racism isn't racism at all but just "stating the truth" and they become really cagey if you tell them this or that seems to be racist .
And to my despair , as i lost one of my best friends to the bottle , i have no idea how to break through to this kind of people not just on the right but also on the left (who all support Israel in Germany ) . Strangely enough the only white people you can actually talk about reality in Germany are the open Neonazi types which is weird and terrifying.
Enough rambling
Keep up the good work
„Noch sitzt ihr da oben, ihr feigen Gestalten. Vom Feinde bezahlt, dem Volke zum Spott. Doch einst wird wieder Gerechtigkeit walten, dann richtet das Volk. Dann gnade Euch Gott!“
―Theodor Körner
Test.
I would rather separate islamophobia from the palestinian case.
Islsmophobis is result of lack of civilised behaviour of muslims and this happens world over, not just in middle east or europe of asia, everywhere. Thisbis a malaise within islam and should have been corrected long back.
Palestinian people had majorly and disproportionately suffered for fault of larger islamic community when I had noticed they had the most sane and intelligent voices if all the arab states.
The other part is it is a big fall of israel or rather the zionists and the western power holders and that is very alarming to me, to me it gives a strong signal of lack of judgemental capability during most crucial periods of history unlike what I had experienced 30 years back and I think the increasing americanisation of western or rather eurasian polity with associated big money,big weapon, a resulting unipolar disbalanced world is major cause of this.
There is no racusm for sure.i being a brown person had never faced racism in europe,never faced discrimination in europe,the general public had been universally supportive and sympathetic towards palestinians and like me viewed netanyahu and israelu leadership , american control over european power structure as a tying down weight on them.
On the contrary I can unequivocally say brown and black people ,particularly brown muslims ,particularly the arabs from north africa amd middle east and the african people had been either due to traditional behaviours or total deliberate lack of understandimg and caring for the place where they move to inside europe, refusing to let go off their culture and religion and even going to the extent of insisting of spreading those in another persons place,absolutely ugly, grotesque,unnatural forba different part of the world,absolute non caring for feelings and cultures of the place which lets them in which is solely responsible for all the troubles they face. I can 100% steadfastly say that, no matter what israel does it will not change because thats a fact i had seen and that will not change with amy form of excuse. It is also the cause of any racial rebuttal anyone had faced in return.
I repeat I had never faced any kind of racial abuse or discrimination in europe despite having contributef absolutely nothing for their societies so far and for which i really feel bad many times but cannot do much due to circumstances.
My concern is with lavk of judgemental capability if west which was not there earlier. I al not sure why but I believe it is due to fall in standards of western human qualities and probably that has happened due to americanisation.
As for israel it really hurts
Deleting any critical comments. Dishonest.
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75% Palestinian endorsement rate of 10/7 certainly seems unrestrained. Turning Palestinian cultural centers into military targets certainly seems barbaric. Centering a 6 year old casualty to ensure that terrorism endures certainly seems emotional. Telling displaced people they’ll soon return to their homes ethnically cleansed of al yahud certainly seems barbaric.
Do I need to watch more of this?
No, it's not compulsory.
@@gordonaliasme1104Compulsory should be treatment of this antisemitic propaganda on a par with Julius Streicher “works”.
Watch out H-mas troll alert with the usual li-es.
From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.......Israel is all I see 🇮🇱
Yes, blood is in your hands, and blood in that water body. I’m sure that’s what you see, and you gloat on it.
Pissrael
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Silly post
@@UMMeshmesh1982
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Pigsraell all I can seee
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
That explains the reason for tick tock ban to avoid exposure what happening in Gaza, seaport is for oil and displacing civilians. Oh god help us
all that Jews that lived there before Israel was a state were also Palestinians, does it belong to them too?
Brilliant interview! We're all finding out what our countrys been doing in the world...now we see whos involved, and has been involved, and im hoping its time for our "change"!
the syo nist are the bru tal mud rous te rr ris
All complicent countrys will regret what theyve done to the palestinians throughout history!
LUGENPRESSE
What is a lie according to you?.
Es nicht DW.
Good bye USA, cordially the middle east.
Then, why are you trying to get in the US?
Victory ✌️ to HAMAS-HEZBOLLAH-ANSARALLAH Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸💚💚☪️☪️☪️ Allahuakhbar Allahuakhbar from Malaysia 🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻