@@brucetec6597 ya, until you change pads and realize you don't have brakes until you hit the pedal 4 or 5 times. Seen a couple wrecks because of it. The dreaded double oil filter seal has blown more than a few motors also. This is kinda my point.
I wanna say it's not as bad as my Dad. He once drained the transmission fluid (confused the two drain bolts) then filled up the engine with oil (he was surprised how little he needed to put in to max out the reading on the dipstick😂) Then went for a quick drive, and boom gearbox grenaded.
@@DeepRacer-zr4ypI’ve seen techs do it working at quick lube places in my younger teens. When you know how to look for an oil pan it’s not hard, just a lot of shops involve zero training and believe whatever people say when they walk in for an interview. I’m now much happier as a new car PDI tech for a rental car company, the quick lube world is asinine.
I worked at a shop where a couple of brand new techs did this. One of them did it on a Mercedes AMG 63. From that day he didn't touch anything expensive but hats off to management for not firing him and had him shadow a couple of the more experienced techs.
@@bleach_drink_me I don't get how you manage that xD The transmission fluid is cherry red! My dad made the mistake because he was very new to cars and the oil looked the same.
Another tip, don't punch the seal on the oil jug. Carefully remove it. Eric O did a video on a Kia with collapsed lifters and cam damage, due to a piece of the oil jug seal getting stuck in an oil passage.
That always scares me. I always cut a slit in the seal and pry it up and off with a screwdriver or knife. Those seals in the caps deteriorate with time too.
RIP to this fella, he will be forever scared of doing diy jobs on his cars. Simple maintenance job turned into expensive mistake. Edit: Holy.... Never got so many likes on a comment before. Thank you guys :D
there's no fkn way bro master tech doesn't have the intuition to realize that the wrapper may have a chunk gone into the filter? I call cap....cap cap cap. Unless this was one of those once in a million times freak accident type thing and then still tho....kinda like having the filter media type of filter and o ring due to this
@@justinmike2zrfeActually this is kinda common on Honda OEM oil filters since they wrap the hole filter in plastic and not just the opening like Toyota. As soon as you poke a hole in the opening it‘s over, you want to remove it from the side or bottom
Who ever is making fun of this guy. Just thinking about being tired or not paying attention and a piece of plastic got into this and cause this much damage, no one posting can act like they never did anything dumb before, this must be extremely frustrating for the dude,
When I was doing an oil change last summer, with my two boys (10 and under) in 90ºF+ temperatures, I nearly forgot to refill the oil after I replaced the filter. And I've been doing this for more than 20 years! Heat, tiredness, frustration...these can all add up. One mistake can cause immeasurable pain. Thankfully, I caught my own mistake before I started the engine and rectified it. I used that as a lesson to my boys, who probably won't *really* get it until they're older.
@@crimsonking8942it gets stuck in the filter holes inside the filter and essentially clogs them up restricting flow to the filter. Looks like some of it then came out and got stuck in the engine. You're right though, you would think it would melt, but it clearly didn't.
I do mine on all my cars, and have been for a decade at least. And still a year or two ago I aaaalmost dropped the car on the ground without the wheels on. Bad things happen when you are tired
Realistically, you could rather ship it to the junkyard. If you have 10k of needed repairs, and your getting it quoted, you don't have the skills to get it done
@@2zzlowwhat’s blue book on the car? Customer must love this car, huh? Does it need control arms, struts, tires, or brakes? How many miles are on the transmission? Does the customer realize what they are getting into?
@@TbroughmanYou people are idiots. Some people have money and want to keep the csr they love. It's an easy mistake to do as well they did, a freak accident.
This is a great argument for how Mazda seals their new filters (not sure on other manufacturers), they do a plastic cover over the openings that you have to peel off rather than shrink wrapping the whole thing
My engine builder told me to stop pushing the aluminum seal tab down in the oil bottles when doings my oil changes oops, I had 5 stuck to the oil pick up tube. Of course this was 35yrs ago 😃
Coming from a time 50 years ago where you were expected to fix and repair things yourself, you learned simple things like stuff that just isn't taught anymore, hard to explain but it's still good to know. God bless my old man, RIP.
After years of figuring out what happened to my engine, finally this video explains everything! My intake came snapped and the exact damages are very similar on this video! I thought my oil pump failed, or I thought the oil lost viscosity. Crazyy, thanks for sharing!
This is why I always check inside the filter before installing it. Also if im using oil that had those stupid aluminum coverings i make sure to peel the entire thing off. Making sure everything is off. You can also use a funnel with a screen for filling the oil. I always , always check inside the oil filters no matter what brand it is.
@@landondc4739 very true. So far though I have yet to find one. I do check though every time. Been using Baldwin filters, Purolator boss, and Full . Yes...FULL is the name of the company lol.
The most expensive oil change ive seen was on a viper that didn’t sell for a year or two at the dealer . When a customer bought it, the dealer changed the oil and didn't put the oil in . Lube tech cost the dealer an engine . After the buyer backed out it went back in the showroom and the rear defrost shorted against the carbon fiber decklid . Shattered the glass and went to the dealership bodyshop where i worked for 9 1/2 years . We replaced the decklid and blended the quarters . Sounds pretty pricey for an unsold unit no?
Probably good advice about that plastic wrapper no matter WHAT, your driving. I've never found an automotive filter with plastic wrap on it myself, although I've done some commercial vehicle filters that came that way. Definitely something I'll be keeping in mind in the future.
$10k on a Mercedes would be a handful of issues. $10k on a Honda means a new motor with labor included. Sounds reasonable if it's a highly rated shop, that's competitive depending on the state.
I worked on recovery vehicles and have seen a lot of strange things. One was a woman who wanted to prove to her husband she could look after her own car by checking water, tyres, oil etc . She knew that sometimes you need to top up the oil so asked a friend where the oil goes. He pointed out the filler cap on the top of the engine. She had removed the oil cap, looked inside and decided the oil was low so had poured gallons of oil into the engine to try and get the oil right up to the oil cap.😂
You just reminded me of a time a woman checked her oil and "didn't see any." She poured until she could see it, and hydro-locked the engine. "Wouldn't you think it would turn right over, finally being full of oil?" That thing smoked like an old diesel for over an hour after I drained it and blew the excess from the cylinders. 😂
A former colleague of mine refused to change the timing chain on his Audi at the service at the appropriate mileage. A week later he was trying to speed past a slow car, got up beside the other car and the chain broke... So instead for the little bit expensive chain replacement, now almost everything in the top and anything else powered by the chain needed to be replaced. Every valve was broken, every piston were damaged and the top was unusable. They had to more or less tear down the whole engine into it's individual parts before reassembly, according to my former colleague.
@@NicholasRiviera-Dr Yes, that's what he told me. I'm suspecting that the car was driven way harder than usual and servicing wasn't followed as closely as it should have been. But he had the car in the week before and he was asked about the timing chain and if it had been replaced.
@@kholdanstaalstorm6881 wow! Really if that was the case though, the servicing interval is too far apart. How many people service their cars right on the due date? Probably give or take a month, particularly an item that might only get replaced once or twice in an engines life time 🤔 But it’s an Audi, they would expect them to be driven fairly hard I would imagine?
I hardly ever checked oil filters. I bought a new filter for my daughter's motorcycle, and for some reason I just thought I'd look in it. Shined my flashlight in there, and there was a massive curly-q of steel in the bottom. Murphy thought he had me there. One of the few wins.
When Honda had A01 filters there were made different somehow, flowed and filtered better than most filters but the modern A02 filters are just recolored FRAM/Honeywell you’re better off with FRAM ultra synthetic or some other high end filter like Mobil K&N or wix depending on application
When trying to save 1 second in the short term costs you 10 grand in the long run 😬 Feel so bad for bro, Honda really should be putting the tearaway perforations on the plastic seal so people don’t feel like they have to poke it
Yeah it's a pity I bet bro actually felt nice after filling the oil in, putting the cap on then taking a drive (As i do). Not even 5 minutes later "Oh Shit."
They do this at shops too or forget to fill it up after draining so do you trust the 21 year old kid that doesn't give a shit or do it correctly yourself
He wasn't trying to save time. He was trying to save money like the other 99.9999999999999% of DIYers out there. People would still poke it in the middle even if it had a pull tab on it that said "Open here". How bout not being a smooth brain and using some common sense when opening that filter?
Charging someone 10k to replace a motor is the most criminal thing ive ever heard of. Ive been building motors and doing engine replacements since 1998 professionally.
Lol dude, I'm an engine builder in Toronto, and 6 grand for the engine is getting of easy on a late model car. I'm contracted to do 2.4, 2.0 and 1.6 liter engines for the local Hyundai dealers and believe me they're making a lot more. And 4500 for install is pretty par for the course if you go to a reputable shop. Even the cheapest motor rebuild a SBC 350 is minimum 4k nowadays. Maybe prices where different in 1998, this is the new rate.
Excellent video. Let me add to this: take a good look at the oil filter. If it has any little dent or imperfection, send it back. Imperfections create structural weakness on oil filters, and the pressure from the oil pump can tear through those imperfections causing problems like oil leaking through the filter. Oil filters has to look perfect.
@@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit Ignorance is bliss. Any dent on an oil filter is a point of weakness for an oil filter depending on the oil pressure. Why don't you stick with your ignorance so that i can stick to what i have seen first hand with experience? How about that?
Chances that a rando minimal wage newbie mechanic will do this mistake or any other stupid ones (forget to install drain plug, kill thread and so on) are 100x higher than me doing oil change at home.
He could claim that under his car insurance policy under comprehensive it’s an accident!! I worked at a car dealer in service and had a 70 year old man put antifreeze in his oil by mistake and I called his insurance company they covered it because it was an accident under comp!! Bet you didn’t know that
@@robertheinkel6225 Don't say NEVER because comprehensive insurance is very... comprehensive. It also covers things like faling trees or limbs, hail and wind damage, lightning damage, water damage... LOTS of things.
Over the last several months while everyone was complaining about the cost of EV battery replacements, shops quietly started charging $10k+ to replace an engine
So lemme get this straight. Honda will sell you a new head, and a new block, and all the shit that goes in it- But the dealer has to put it together? I get it’s brand new-brand new but shiiiiddddd. You can buy these 1.5 crates for $4500! A used core with less than 50k on it for $2500 or less. 27 hours for labor is mind blowing. This dude right here about to say fuck it and total the car and go buy a Tesla now
customer wanted a new long block and that's what Honda charges for it. its 27 hours because we had to take it apart to verify what happened and now put the new one in. 27 hours seems fair.
Always make sure the old gasket comes off with the old filter as well. Otherwise you’ll double-gasket it when you put the new filter on. It won’t seal and will blow oil everywhere. A guy did that when changing oil in his RV, with the rear cowling removed. He started it to check for leaks….which he had when it sprayed oil all over inside his RV 😆
I see another video where the customer poked the foil seal on the oil container into the bottle. One of them got loose while pouring and went into the engine. Didn't cause the same exact issue but something serious enough still.
It’s a pinhole in order to increase pressure therefore increasing flow up vertically to the head. You shouldn’t speak or open your mouth when you don’t know squat haven’t studied or taken engineering classes on engine lubrication
@@abe2ham "shouldn't speak?" Read my comment again, you ignorant dolt...it is a QUESTION followed by an OPINION on the worst possible outcome. You shouldn't speak unless you understand grammar.
@@modquad18 Thanks, I needed a laugh. The highest quality auto manufacturer in the world is Toyota. It has been for nearly 40 years and no one in Detroit even comes effing *close*
I'm a Honda tech, and there's a Service article about this telling techs how to remove the plastic. Hey Honda how about redesign the fucking packaging?
@Buckdalorian1000 fine waste money cause you think you can fix it. You will be giving someone who knows their shit too a call afterward and we laugh at you. Know what you can do and stick w it.
I've seen that before on a Cummins ISB 6.7. The lubber poked the oil filter, causing the plastic to break off inside the filter. The damage was more than 10K to fix.
I always shine my flashlight in and take a good look. Anything could be floating around in there, accidentally left over from manufacturing. I have the same habit with funnels that are used for filling anything. I look down them, and blow them out. I won't use a funnel for filling anything if I can't easily see the whole way down the tube (as is the case with some flexible funnels).
I've owned and changed the oil on 2 different Chevys, 2 Audis & 2 VWs, a Mercedes, 2 Hyundais, a Nissan, and 2 different Jeep models and have never, ever received an oil filter wrapped in plastic. That is... stupid.
junk yard vs new long block. its the customers decision at the end of the day. we don't force them to pay for anything they don't want. we actually offer LKQ engines aswell.
I mean if you're a grown man....and can't change your cars oil and filter....you just don't need to be driving. To me that is....that's my opinion and every one has their own right to there's I'm just baffled at how stupid everyone is on an entire consensus level. It's a shame how lazy and unintelligent we have become as the only race of humans known as the human race lol Edit: so OP 2zz low said the guy said he was a master tech at Ford now retired ??? Damn that's nuts
Sometimes it’s not about being lazy. My friend is 24 with beginner stages of cerebral palsy and Parkinson’s and I change his oil for him. He can’t even get under the car to see what I’m doing, but nobody’s charging my disabled friend for what I can do in 20 minutes myself with ease..
@@jbphilly1234 negative its not and even tho i dont know every single bit of information on the human body I KNOW enough and especially dont just play guessing game with mine....now was my statement a bit exaggerated yes but would it only have hurt the ppl who cant : unscrew one bolt let it drain and return bolt to tight and then fill up the car at the top of the engine with oil? unless its filter change then literally unscrew it and put a new one on...Also yes...
@@jbphilly1234 oh yeah and also...driving a car is a privilege so if you cant keep it up on your own you shoudnt get the privilege of driving...just like having a house....its a priv if you cant keep it up you go back into nature...your example comparing that to the human body is wayy off i get where your trying to go tho but nah....its simple. im being harsh bc it literally takes a monkey seeing it done and it will never forget and be able to repeatable do these things its sad how fucking easy it is yet ppl(men.,, i mean children) are scared lazy beta that need to grab their balls and alpha up....i know doctors lawyers firefighters ALL KNOW how and ALWAYS change their own cars/trucks oil never have an issue
@@justinmike2zrfedriving is not privilege boomer there are three Supreme Court cases proving that. Secondly why are illegals with no social or anything able to get licenses in some states now if it’s a privilege . Wouldn’t that privilege only be for citizens? Oh yea it’s cus law of land is you have the right to travel
@jag4520 where does a oil filter go??? on the block of the engine! That's how it entered the oil gallery's through the oil filter and caught in the main passage. (And pickup filters only keep things from getting in from the pan not when it's not introduced directly into the oil passage/filter.)
And these people have driver's licenses... Drives with high beams on all the time so he can see better despite blinding oncoming traffic. Fails to use turn signals. Fails to merge on the highway at highway speed. Expects others to move over despite the Yield sign. Saves 10.00 on an oil change because those guys rip me off every time.
Why the need to wrap them in plastic? For 30+ years I have bought them without plastic and never had an issue. The manufacturer should be on the hook for this.
An oil change is very easy but always do a checklist it takes 2 extra minutes. 1. Drain bolt in and torqued 2. Did old gasket come off old filter 3. New old filter no rust and gasket check 4. Oil new gasket 5. Hand tighten oil filter 6. Refill with oil. 7. Run for few min check for leaks let sit check level.
Why would anyone pay 10k for this, that’s crazy. Just buy a used engine for $500-$1500 and pay someone to put it in. Bet it’d only be $1,200-$2,500 in labor
Did the customer buy that online? I've never seen an oil filter come wrapped in plastic. But that the customer just forced the filter onto the threads and didn't even bother to unwrap it shows that common sense is rather... uncommon.
I'm honestly impressed there are people in this world who struggle to take seran wrap off. It's not exactly reinforced packaging, i use a fingernail to cut through these. And as a shop i prefer it over the boxes, the boxes didn't protect the filter from dust or dirt or moisture or whatever, sitting for months maybe years in a parts store just collecting construction dust or moisture from the air. The sealed filters have 0 issues with that. The other thing the sealed filter is visible you can inspect it right there and then no chances of wrong part inside the box some stores don't let you open boxes.
I changed the oil and filter of a “friend’s” tractor…crushed my the bone in my finger tip, destroyed my finger nail bed, got 4 stitches through my finger nail, and a $3,000 bill. That was the most expensive oil change I’ve ever done. And the last for him.
Sounds like the car owner should buy a Carly and plug it into his OBD port. This $10,000 dollar job would be only $100 dollars. His mechanic is probably ripping him off. 😉
Easy job. I would trust doing it myself before a mechanic who’s only care is to do it as fast as possible. Seen way more engines ruined by mechanics than DIYers.
People have died from poking the plastic seal on the top of oil cans. The plastic seal went into the oil container and then came out when they poured it into the engine. The engine quit at altitude and the plane lost all power and crashed into the city. Be very careful with everything that goes into your engine.
@@AG-kb7yb I’m still looking. When I was in college in the 80’s I was working the ramp at the local airport. The FAA had a directive that came out to everyone about using a finger and pushing the foil down into the bottle instead of removing it. One of those foil seals had gone into a customers engine that has stopped for gas and oil. The foil had blocked an oil passage and a main bearing has run dry and spun. The engine seized and the airplane came down in the middle of the night in downtown Los Angeles and killed the entire family. Very sad.
the funny thing is that the honda filters are just fram filters which is perfectly fine since if they were even a tenth as bad as people say they were you'd hear about it on the news in lawsuits but the fram filters in stores don't have the wrapping so it would've not blown that engine.
Thats crazy. Also when adding oil or any other fluid, make sure that plastic/foil seal when opening the fresh bottle of fluid is completely removed or out of the way in the slight chance it comes off with the fluid being poured in
I went about 9 years without changing the oil in an old race car, it would leak and ( or burn/valve guides were iffy) I would have to add a quart or two once in awhile, basically I would put a new wix filter on it every season.
4.5k labour and nearly 6k parts to replace a head? that's insane. a couple of years ago i had the head off my civic VTi. new head gasket, valve stem oil seals and timing belt kit plus labour: £750+VAT, £900 total.
Bought a smoking suburban once. Pulled the valve cover to find a chunk of the oil filter material stick in where the oil drains. Pulled it out and cleaned it up. No more smoke and it ran great. This guy had this thing sitting in his yard for 2 years because he was told the engine was blown up. 😂
Nice! Bought a 2016 GX460 with 72k for $12k cause it was stuck in limp mode. Owner was told it needed $13k in repairs so he just sold it cheap. Ended up being the secondary air intake failure that is widely known on the GX. After $600 and about 3 hours, I had it purring. This was in 2020, and still going strong.
1200 degrees to melt that aluminum. The plastic isn’t even discolored. Check the oil pickup in the pan. It will be full of debris. Then ask me how I know..
This is actually a good selling point for doing your own oil changes because those high school kids they hire could easily make this mistake. They always screw something up
Why wrap the filter in plastic to begin with? Removing the plastic is obvious to me because I've been changing oil for 40 years. But not every consumer knows that. It seems to me that the plastic is there as an extremely expensive mistake waiting to happen, purposely creating a problem when their does not need to be one. Shameful.
100% he didn't even try to remove the plastic, he just started screwing it on with the plastic on it.
Techs be saying wild shit.
Hey, gotta keep the new filter clean somehow 🤷♂️
Yep
I once saw a no start after the owner changed his own air filter. Filter was still wrapped in the plastic it came in.
@@MrSloika a fan of Just Rolled In, are we? 😅
I always taught my kids. Brakes and oil changes seem so simple anyone can do it. They are also the most important simple job to get right.
No that's in the ballpark at the dealer (even 10 years ago)
Several chances for absolute failure. So easy….but so crucial.
brakes on mercedes arent that easy because you gotta reset the computer so brakes dont lock up
@ali3173 it's not that hard. It's just 1 extra step. Drum brakes are worst.
@@brucetec6597 ya, until you change pads and realize you don't have brakes until you hit the pedal 4 or 5 times. Seen a couple wrecks because of it. The dreaded double oil filter seal has blown more than a few motors also. This is kinda my point.
Lol dam a 10 doller filter turned into 10 grand hahaha.
* Dollar
@@vermontvermont9292dolla
Got it back 10 fold 💀💀
He's getting robbed. A whole ass engine doesn't cost 10k my dude
@@MrPaulopp shit it was 8600 for a transmission last year it's 2023 shit is way to high.
I wanna say it's not as bad as my Dad.
He once drained the transmission fluid (confused the two drain bolts) then filled up the engine with oil (he was surprised how little he needed to put in to max out the reading on the dipstick😂)
Then went for a quick drive, and boom gearbox grenaded.
This is really funny to read. But if you experience something like this you will probably cry or atleast the wallet
@@DeepRacer-zr4ypI’ve seen techs do it working at quick lube places in my younger teens. When you know how to look for an oil pan it’s not hard, just a lot of shops involve zero training and believe whatever people say when they walk in for an interview.
I’m now much happier as a new car PDI tech for a rental car company, the quick lube world is asinine.
I worked at a shop where a couple of brand new techs did this. One of them did it on a Mercedes AMG 63. From that day he didn't touch anything expensive but hats off to management for not firing him and had him shadow a couple of the more experienced techs.
@@bleach_drink_me I don't get how you manage that xD
The transmission fluid is cherry red!
My dad made the mistake because he was very new to cars and the oil looked the same.
Had a buddy do the same thing except no grenade now some sorry soul is loving that Tacoma
Another tip, don't punch the seal on the oil jug. Carefully remove it. Eric O did a video on a Kia with collapsed lifters and cam damage, due to a piece of the oil jug seal getting stuck in an oil passage.
Link to that video?
I'll try. South Main Auto channel if I can't send it. @@Svntvnaa5800
I've seen guys use folded cardboard from the floor for a funnel to fill oil.
That always scares me. I always cut a slit in the seal and pry it up and off with a screwdriver or knife. Those seals in the caps deteriorate with time too.
Yeah I don’t get why they don’t put a tab so you can easily pull the seal off.
RIP to this fella, he will be forever scared of doing diy jobs on his cars. Simple maintenance job turned into expensive mistake.
Edit: Holy.... Never got so many likes on a comment before. Thank you guys :D
The guy was so mad, he kept telling us how he was a retired ford master tech.
there's no fkn way bro master tech doesn't have the intuition to realize that the wrapper may have a chunk gone into the filter? I call cap....cap cap cap. Unless this was one of those once in a million times freak accident type thing and then still tho....kinda like having the filter media type of filter and o ring due to this
@@justinmike2zrfeActually this is kinda common on Honda OEM oil filters since they wrap the hole filter in plastic and not just the opening like Toyota. As soon as you poke a hole in the opening it‘s over, you want to remove it from the side or bottom
@@DeepRacer-zr4yp true but still...ykiyk
I'm a honda guy and this send shivers down my spine😂
Who ever is making fun of this guy. Just thinking about being tired or not paying attention and a piece of plastic got into this and cause this much damage, no one posting can act like they never did anything dumb before, this must be extremely frustrating for the dude,
When I was doing an oil change last summer, with my two boys (10 and under) in 90ºF+ temperatures, I nearly forgot to refill the oil after I replaced the filter. And I've been doing this for more than 20 years!
Heat, tiredness, frustration...these can all add up. One mistake can cause immeasurable pain.
Thankfully, I caught my own mistake before I started the engine and rectified it. I used that as a lesson to my boys, who probably won't *really* get it until they're older.
How the fuck does flimsy little plastic cause this? Wouldn't the hot oil just melt it instantly?
@@crimsonking8942it gets stuck in the filter holes inside the filter and essentially clogs them up restricting flow to the filter. Looks like some of it then came out and got stuck in the engine. You're right though, you would think it would melt, but it clearly didn't.
@@Niko-xz5lkPlastic that melts can be even worse, since its like gum and definitely clogs holes
I do mine on all my cars, and have been for a decade at least. And still a year or two ago I aaaalmost dropped the car on the ground without the wheels on.
Bad things happen when you are tired
Time for an LS swap
😂😂😂 exactly what I was thinking
a K series
LS swapping shit is gay.
Would a FWD ls even fit in there
Ls swap is the pumpkin spice of engine swaps
if i ever get quoted over 5k for shop work, it’s coming back to my house
Realistically, you could rather ship it to the junkyard. If you have 10k of needed repairs, and your getting it quoted, you don't have the skills to get it done
An incompetent, overcharging shop.
@@Santor-or ship it to Mexico where they will do the job for the same amount but in pesos
I’ve never gotten an oil filter that was wrapped in plastic.
Then I guess you never bought an oem Honda or Toyota filter
@@2zzlowmobile 1 filter better.
You haven't done many oil changes.
My kn filters come wrapped
@@2zzlowI thought Fram came in a cardboard box. That cardboard box WAS the filter!!! 😳
"It's just an oil change, what could go wrong"
The real question is how did the piece of plastic leave the filter
I bet you guys didn't think about that
What I've learned is don't trust most mechanic shops
i would go for a used engine actually
Same, but customer wanted a new long block
@@2zzlowgood 🤑
@@2zzlowwhat’s blue book on the car? Customer must love this car, huh? Does it need control arms, struts, tires, or brakes? How many miles are on the transmission? Does the customer realize what they are getting into?
@@ericumlauf9734he messed up an oil change. Obviously his lightbulb isn’t always on
@@TbroughmanYou people are idiots. Some people have money and want to keep the csr they love. It's an easy mistake to do as well they did, a freak accident.
This is a great argument for how Mazda seals their new filters (not sure on other manufacturers), they do a plastic cover over the openings that you have to peel off rather than shrink wrapping the whole thing
My engine builder told me to stop pushing the aluminum seal tab down in the oil bottles when doings my oil changes oops, I had 5 stuck to the oil pick up tube. Of course this was 35yrs ago 😃
Coming from a time 50 years ago where you were expected to fix and repair things yourself, you learned simple things like stuff that just isn't taught anymore, hard to explain but it's still good to know. God bless my old man, RIP.
Yeah like removing a wrapper before installation...lol...something tells me the cat that did this damage. Was not the brightest bulb in the shop ..
@@facetious_1 yeah can't really defend that.
You should actually hold the filter upside down as you remove the plastic, then inspect inside of it for manufacturing debris before installing.
After years of figuring out what happened to my engine, finally this video explains everything! My intake came snapped and the exact damages are very similar on this video! I thought my oil pump failed, or I thought the oil lost viscosity. Crazyy, thanks for sharing!
This is one of those bedtime stories mechanics tell their kids, so they don't grow up cheating the system and fixing their own cars. XD
This is why I always check inside the filter before installing it. Also if im using oil that had those stupid aluminum coverings i make sure to peel the entire thing off. Making sure everything is off. You can also use a funnel with a screen for filling the oil. I always , always check inside the oil filters no matter what brand it is.
Check the threads too. So many chowderd-up threads now days with metal shavings ready to eat your engine.
@@landondc4739 very true. So far though I have yet to find one. I do check though every time. Been using Baldwin filters, Purolator boss, and Full . Yes...FULL is the name of the company lol.
The most expensive oil change ive seen was on a viper that didn’t sell for a year or two at the dealer . When a customer bought it, the dealer changed the oil and didn't put the oil in . Lube tech cost the dealer an engine . After the buyer backed out it went back in the showroom and the rear defrost shorted against the carbon fiber decklid . Shattered the glass and went to the dealership bodyshop where i worked for 9 1/2 years . We replaced the decklid and blended the quarters .
Sounds pretty pricey for an unsold unit no?
I bet he was fired
Probably good advice about that plastic wrapper no matter WHAT, your driving. I've never found an automotive filter with plastic wrap on it myself, although I've done some commercial vehicle filters that came that way. Definitely something I'll be keeping in mind in the future.
i don’t know if you’re allowed to show dealer pricing but you’re a legend for that 🙏💯
$10,000? Sounds as if the dude owns a Mercedes Benz, instead of a Honda
Did you hear engine block 😅😅😅
@@tapwaterr2165junk yard motor swap isn’t that expensive
You’re right. People should just work for free. Smh.
Nah a merc 4 banger starts at 15 just for the engine.
$10k on a Mercedes would be a handful of issues. $10k on a Honda means a new motor with labor included. Sounds reasonable if it's a highly rated shop, that's competitive depending on the state.
They actually released a service bulletin on this year's ago for this exact issue lol
apparently the people in the comments section don't believe me lol
I worked on recovery vehicles and have seen a lot of strange things. One was a woman who wanted to prove to her husband she could look after her own car by checking water, tyres, oil etc . She knew that sometimes you need to top up the oil so asked a friend where the oil goes. He pointed out the filler cap on the top of the engine. She had removed the oil cap, looked inside and decided the oil was low so had poured gallons of oil into the engine to try and get the oil right up to the oil cap.😂
You just reminded me of a time a woman checked her oil and "didn't see any." She poured until she could see it, and hydro-locked the engine. "Wouldn't you think it would turn right over, finally being full of oil?" That thing smoked like an old diesel for over an hour after I drained it and blew the excess from the cylinders. 😂
oh my lord 😂😂😂😂
I’m scared af of this that I always check with a flashlight inside the oil filters 😭🤣
A former colleague of mine refused to change the timing chain on his Audi at the service at the appropriate mileage.
A week later he was trying to speed past a slow car, got up beside the other car and the chain broke...
So instead for the little bit expensive chain replacement, now almost everything in the top and anything else powered by the chain needed to be replaced.
Every valve was broken, every piston were damaged and the top was unusable.
They had to more or less tear down the whole engine into it's individual parts before reassembly, according to my former colleague.
So the timing chain broke a week after the service interval? 😮
@@NicholasRiviera-Dr
Yes, that's what he told me.
I'm suspecting that the car was driven way harder than usual and servicing wasn't followed as closely as it should have been.
But he had the car in the week before and he was asked about the timing chain and if it had been replaced.
@@kholdanstaalstorm6881 wow!
Really if that was the case though, the servicing interval is too far apart. How many people service their cars right on the due date? Probably give or take a month, particularly an item that might only get replaced once or twice in an engines life time 🤔
But it’s an Audi, they would expect them to be driven fairly hard I would imagine?
I always shine my flash light in an oil filter and take a good look to ensure there is no debris or contamination before installing it.
,yup once found a dead mouse 🐁 inside the oil filter once ,new in the box as well
I hardly ever checked oil filters. I bought a new filter for my daughter's motorcycle, and for some reason I just thought I'd look in it. Shined my flashlight in there, and there was a massive curly-q of steel in the bottom. Murphy thought he had me there. One of the few wins.
When Honda had A01 filters there were made different somehow, flowed and filtered better than most filters but the modern A02 filters are just recolored FRAM/Honeywell you’re better off with FRAM ultra synthetic or some other high end filter like Mobil K&N or wix depending on application
I had a stash of 4 A01 filters from 15-20 years ago. Went for $25/ea on eBay
When trying to save 1 second in the short term costs you 10 grand in the long run 😬 Feel so bad for bro, Honda really should be putting the tearaway perforations on the plastic seal so people don’t feel like they have to poke it
Yeah it's a pity I bet bro actually felt nice after filling the oil in, putting the cap on then taking a drive (As i do). Not even 5 minutes later "Oh Shit."
@@bilalmalik5002Must be horrible
They do this at shops too or forget to fill it up after draining so do you trust the 21 year old kid that doesn't give a shit or do it correctly yourself
He wasn't trying to save time. He was trying to save money like the other 99.9999999999999% of DIYers out there. People would still poke it in the middle even if it had a pull tab on it that said "Open here". How bout not being a smooth brain and using some common sense when opening that filter?
@@cornfedxj And the shop is on the hook for that bill vs the DIYer being on the hook.
Charging someone 10k to replace a motor is the most criminal thing ive ever heard of. Ive been building motors and doing engine replacements since 1998 professionally.
how much do you think a longblock for a modern civic plus labor would run? Just curious. Thanks!! 10k is crazyy
Might be just the estimate and not the final cost.
@@grabasandwich I don't count steelerships because they do not fix anything. They are just parts replacers.
Lol dude, I'm an engine builder in Toronto, and 6 grand for the engine is getting of easy on a late model car. I'm contracted to do 2.4, 2.0 and 1.6 liter engines for the local Hyundai dealers and believe me they're making a lot more. And 4500 for install is pretty par for the course if you go to a reputable shop. Even the cheapest motor rebuild a SBC 350 is minimum 4k nowadays.
Maybe prices where different in 1998, this is the new rate.
@SPAZTICCYTOPLASM I quit building engine 5 yrs ago. I never ripped off my customers with those kind of prices.
I once bought several oil filters from Napa and found large rubber bands in a few of them. I caught it before using them.
WTF?! Rubber bands? Sounds like sabatoogie!
Excellent video. Let me add to this: take a good look at the oil filter. If it has any little dent or imperfection, send it back. Imperfections create structural weakness on oil filters, and the pressure from the oil pump can tear through those imperfections causing problems like oil leaking through the filter. Oil filters has to look perfect.
seriously?
No. You are not about to convince ANYONE that ~10-100lbs/in is enough to tear through dents in mild steel. Stay off the drink and drugs, dude.
@@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit Ignorance is bliss. Any dent on an oil filter is a point of weakness for an oil filter depending on the oil pressure. Why don't you stick with your ignorance so that i can stick to what i have seen first hand with experience? How about that?
Chances that a rando minimal wage newbie mechanic will do this mistake or any other stupid ones (forget to install drain plug, kill thread and so on) are 100x higher than me doing oil change at home.
He could claim that under his car insurance policy under comprehensive it’s an accident!! I worked at a car dealer in service and had a 70 year old man put antifreeze in his oil by mistake and I called his insurance company they covered it because it was an accident under comp!! Bet you didn’t know that
Comprehensive coverage is for fire, theft, vandalism, and hitting an animal. It would never cover mechanical failure.
@@robertheinkel6225 Don't say NEVER because comprehensive insurance is very... comprehensive. It also covers things like faling trees or limbs, hail and wind damage, lightning damage, water damage... LOTS of things.
Over the last several months while everyone was complaining about the cost of EV battery replacements, shops quietly started charging $10k+ to replace an engine
So lemme get this straight.
Honda will sell you a new head, and a new block, and all the shit that goes in it-
But the dealer has to put it together? I get it’s brand new-brand new but shiiiiddddd. You can buy these 1.5 crates for $4500! A used core with less than 50k on it for $2500 or less. 27 hours for labor is mind blowing. This dude right here about to say fuck it and total the car and go buy a Tesla now
And when that Tesla battery burns out in 4 years, it will cost $10,000 to replace just the battery.
customer wanted a new long block and that's what Honda charges for it. its 27 hours because we had to take it apart to verify what happened and now put the new one in. 27 hours seems fair.
They did a bunch of work to determine what the issue is. Should that just be waived because he's doing the repair now? Absolutely not.
@@2zzlowmore money than brains, but enjoy your paycheck bro!
Hahahhahahahha dude I was thinking the same thing already thinking what a used EX-L the sport motor 2k 😅
Always make sure the old gasket comes off with the old filter as well. Otherwise you’ll double-gasket it when you put the new filter on.
It won’t seal and will blow oil everywhere.
A guy did that when changing oil in his RV, with the rear cowling removed. He started it to check for leaks….which he had when it sprayed oil all over inside his RV 😆
I see another video where the customer poked the foil seal on the oil container into the bottle. One of them got loose while pouring and went into the engine. Didn't cause the same exact issue but something serious enough still.
I love do it yourselfers, except the level of incompetence in society today is so sad. Even with techs who work for shops.
One pinhole to lubricate camshaft and valvetrain? _CULPABLE ENGINEERING._
Foreign junk
It’s a pinhole in order to increase pressure therefore increasing flow up vertically to the head.
You shouldn’t speak or open your mouth when you don’t know squat haven’t studied or taken engineering classes on engine lubrication
It's a flow limiter to keep the oil pressure up. All pressure oiled engines have them. This is a really cheap solution, though.
@@abe2ham "shouldn't speak?" Read my comment again, you ignorant dolt...it is a QUESTION followed by an OPINION on the worst possible outcome. You shouldn't speak unless you understand grammar.
@@modquad18 Thanks, I needed a laugh. The highest quality auto manufacturer in the world is Toyota. It has been for nearly 40 years and no one in Detroit even comes effing *close*
I'm a Honda tech, and there's a Service article about this telling techs how to remove the plastic. Hey Honda how about redesign the fucking packaging?
If you can't take seran wrap off, should you really be working on anything?
30 years of being a master tech has taught me there should be licensing for tool purchase. Serious.
No thanks your trying to make it so people can't work on there own stuff. I'm not being punished cause this guy made a dumb mistake
@Buckdalorian1000 fine waste money cause you think you can fix it. You will be giving someone who knows their shit too a call afterward and we laugh at you. Know what you can do and stick w it.
More than $10k for a f*cking Honda 4 cylinder?!
Better to swap a V8 and do the job for nothing, right?
Hope you work for free too
Dealership prices are ridiculous anywhere else and he will be back on road for half or half of half with used motor
@@EpicDrew15 I guess it's also dependent on location. There seems to be am excess of mechanics around me
I sell long block rebuilt 3rd gen hemis for 7 grand. A much more modern engine like the Honda being 6 is very fair.
I just replaced the block on my 1990 Celica GTS. I had no idea how much I saved! 😂
i've only heard of this with honda oem filters, toyota and most aftermarket only cover the filter opening
I love how Toyota has a harder plastic only covering the opening side and it’s easy to remove
@@2zzlow not sure why Honda decides to keep going with heatshrunk clingwrap
I've seen that before on a Cummins ISB 6.7. The lubber poked the oil filter, causing the plastic to break off inside the filter. The damage was more than 10K to fix.
Never seen an aluminum camshaft before...
Just pretend I said head, can’t go back and edit it out
That guy definitely eats the plastic wrapper on his snacks too
Just make sure aint nothing in the filter before install and youll be good.👍
aswell yes!
I do that for every single car I change oil on I don’t know why more people don’t do the same
I always shine my flashlight in and take a good look. Anything could be floating around in there, accidentally left over from manufacturing. I have the same habit with funnels that are used for filling anything. I look down them, and blow them out. I won't use a funnel for filling anything if I can't easily see the whole way down the tube (as is the case with some flexible funnels).
@@jptrainorYeah absolutely , I would never use the long ones, I need smaller funnels to know it's good.
I've owned and changed the oil on 2 different Chevys, 2 Audis & 2 VWs, a Mercedes, 2 Hyundais, a Nissan, and 2 different Jeep models and have never, ever received an oil filter wrapped in plastic. That is... stupid.
An American v8 would have ate that plastic for breakfast😂
would've ate that plastic, Along with it's cam and lifters.
"Hell need to buy a cylinder head and engine block.."
Yeah.. and EVERYTHING in between. They call that a new motor.
Long block
Did he installed the oil filter with the plastic cover still on it?😬
That's what it sounds like. I just don't understand how flimsy plastic could cause this. Wouldn't the hot oil instantly melt the plastic?
@@crimsonking8942 No, oil gets hot but not that hot.
The irony is the plastic keeps the filter clean until use. This guy just got the dry end of the luck stick.
So apparently these engines are bullet proof but not small plastic proof…. U would think that the plastic would melt
~200‐250°F does not melt most plastics.
It’s amazing how valuable a little common sense can be. It’s also amazing how few people have it.
Go to a reputable shop and have them buy a junk yard motor and probably pay half the price for new motor and install ,10k my ass.
junk yard vs new long block. its the customers decision at the end of the day. we don't force them to pay for anything they don't want. we actually offer LKQ engines aswell.
Fr, that shits a scam
10k for a 3.5k job tops, including labor
@@EpicDrew15Bs i can find a complete honda motor for 3k if i found my 6.1 hemi for 3k
This is how you park a clapped-out Honda and get something else instead 😂😂
I mean if you're a grown man....and can't change your cars oil and filter....you just don't need to be driving. To me that is....that's my opinion and every one has their own right to there's I'm just baffled at how stupid everyone is on an entire consensus level. It's a shame how lazy and unintelligent we have become as the only race of humans known as the human race lol
Edit: so OP 2zz low said the guy said he was a master tech at Ford now retired ??? Damn that's nuts
Sometimes it’s not about being lazy. My friend is 24 with beginner stages of cerebral palsy and Parkinson’s and I change his oil for him. He can’t even get under the car to see what I’m doing, but nobody’s charging my disabled friend for what I can do in 20 minutes myself with ease..
@@jbphilly1234 negative its not and even tho i dont know every single bit of information on the human body I KNOW enough and especially dont just play guessing game with mine....now was my statement a bit exaggerated yes but would it only have hurt the ppl who cant : unscrew one bolt let it drain and return bolt to tight and then fill up the car at the top of the engine with oil? unless its filter change then literally unscrew it and put a new one on...Also yes...
@@suckmaballz257 no young grasshopper its not about literally disabled ppl bro lol...mentally and physically capable ppl...
@@jbphilly1234 oh yeah and also...driving a car is a privilege so if you cant keep it up on your own you shoudnt get the privilege of driving...just like having a house....its a priv if you cant keep it up you go back into nature...your example comparing that to the human body is wayy off i get where your trying to go tho but nah....its simple. im being harsh bc it literally takes a monkey seeing it done and it will never forget and be able to repeatable do these things its sad how fucking easy it is yet ppl(men.,, i mean children) are scared lazy beta that need to grab their balls and alpha up....i know doctors lawyers firefighters ALL KNOW how and ALWAYS change their own cars/trucks oil never have an issue
@@justinmike2zrfedriving is not privilege boomer there are three Supreme Court cases proving that. Secondly why are illegals with no social or anything able to get licenses in some states now if it’s a privilege . Wouldn’t that privilege only be for citizens? Oh yea it’s cus law of land is you have the right to travel
This can’t be real, the oil pickup tube has a filter to prevent this
Ummm.... Where is the oil being pour into? Isn't through THE TOP CYLINDER HEAD WHERE THE OIL CAP IS ? Hmmm......
@jag4520 where does a oil filter go??? on the block of the engine! That's how it entered the oil gallery's through the oil filter and caught in the main passage. (And pickup filters only keep things from getting in from the pan not when it's not introduced directly into the oil passage/filter.)
The filter outlet is after the pickup tube. It was the slug from the center post.
He knows how to do it now........ I prefer do it a home myself than at these places lol
And these people have driver's licenses...
Drives with high beams on all the time so he can see better despite blinding oncoming traffic.
Fails to use turn signals.
Fails to merge on the highway at highway speed.
Expects others to move over despite the Yield sign.
Saves 10.00 on an oil change because those guys rip me off every time.
Paying attention and taking your time go a long way in avoiding mistakes like this.
Why the need to wrap them in plastic? For 30+ years I have bought them without plastic and never had an issue. The manufacturer should be on the hook for this.
Not his fault. Oil filter company Honda should have had one of those cartoon warning picture showing a finger poking a hole in the plastic. 🤪
Also it's easy to over tighten the drain plug bolt on a Honda, that oil change cost $500😮
What a final destination type scenario
Just a little attention to detail can save lots of money.
"Trust me, I learned from YT" 😂
Purolator The BOSS oil filter is the best in filtration. It also doesn't have any plastic wrap packaging wrapped around the oil filter.
Wow! At $10,000 it’s time to get another car smh
As bmw driveway mechanic always double check even triple check EVERYTHING!!
Honestly i change oil at work on a weekly basis and i never recal seeing 1 in plastic...it always comes in a box
That's how OEM Honda filters come, I just did mine last week and it was just wrapped in plastic like this with a Honda part number sticker
An oil change is very easy but always do a checklist it takes 2 extra minutes.
1. Drain bolt in and torqued
2. Did old gasket come off old filter
3. New old filter no rust and gasket check
4. Oil new gasket
5. Hand tighten oil filter
6. Refill with oil.
7. Run for few min check for leaks let sit check level.
Why would anyone pay 10k for this, that’s crazy. Just buy a used engine for $500-$1500 and pay someone to put it in. Bet it’d only be $1,200-$2,500 in labor
Mistakes are only mistakes if you dont learn from them. Otherwise it serves as a lesson.
Did the customer buy that online? I've never seen an oil filter come wrapped in plastic.
But that the customer just forced the filter onto the threads and didn't even bother to unwrap it shows that common sense is rather... uncommon.
I'm honestly impressed there are people in this world who struggle to take seran wrap off. It's not exactly reinforced packaging, i use a fingernail to cut through these. And as a shop i prefer it over the boxes, the boxes didn't protect the filter from dust or dirt or moisture or whatever, sitting for months maybe years in a parts store just collecting construction dust or moisture from the air. The sealed filters have 0 issues with that. The other thing the sealed filter is visible you can inspect it right there and then no chances of wrong part inside the box some stores don't let you open boxes.
I changed the oil and filter of a “friend’s” tractor…crushed my the bone in my finger tip, destroyed my finger nail bed, got 4 stitches through my finger nail, and a $3,000 bill. That was the most expensive oil change I’ve ever done. And the last for him.
Sounds like the car owner should buy a Carly and plug it into his OBD port. This $10,000 dollar job would be only $100 dollars. His mechanic is probably ripping him off. 😉
Meanwhile toyota puts a hole in the center of the plastic for removal…
damn ... I wasn't expecting the plot twist at the end with the plastic
Easy job. I would trust doing it myself before a mechanic who’s only care is to do it as fast as possible. Seen way more engines ruined by mechanics than DIYers.
My dog was watching this with me and it scared the shit out of him
You can unwrap that filter anyway you want, you can give it to a 2yr old to unwrap, that guy did not know what he was doing
The lesson should be used for gum. Always remove the packaging.
People have died from poking the plastic seal on the top of oil cans. The plastic seal went into the oil container and then came out when they poured it into the engine. The engine quit at altitude and the plane lost all power and crashed into the city. Be very careful with everything that goes into your engine.
Any actual details?
@@AG-kb7yb I’m still looking. When I was in college in the 80’s I was working the ramp at the local airport. The FAA had a directive that came out to everyone about using a finger and pushing the foil down into the bottle instead of removing it. One of those foil seals had gone into a customers engine that has stopped for gas and oil. The foil had blocked an oil passage and a main bearing has run dry and spun. The engine seized and the airplane came down in the middle of the night in downtown Los Angeles and killed the entire family. Very sad.
the funny thing is that the honda filters are just fram filters which is perfectly fine since if they were even a tenth as bad as people say they were you'd hear about it on the news in lawsuits but the fram filters in stores don't have the wrapping so it would've not blown that engine.
OMG! 🤦🏾♂️ That’s the most expensive piece of plastic I have ever seen. Rushing to finish a job is a sure way to make grave errors 😬
Thats crazy. Also when adding oil or any other fluid, make sure that plastic/foil seal when opening the fresh bottle of fluid is completely removed or out of the way in the slight chance it comes off with the fluid being poured in
I mean honestly this is common sense to remove the plastic away from the filter. However most oil filters are not wrapped in plastic.
Thats why i dont change my oil. It goes till the car goes. Changin oil is a myth. Ive went over 100000 miles without changin the oil
It will start to kill your engine after 100000 miles.
I went about 9 years without changing the oil in an old race car, it would leak and ( or burn/valve guides were iffy) I would have to add a quart or two once in awhile, basically I would put a new wix filter on it every season.
4.5k labour and nearly 6k parts to replace a head? that's insane. a couple of years ago i had the head off my civic VTi. new head gasket, valve stem oil seals and timing belt kit plus labour: £750+VAT, £900 total.
the itemized list seems to be the whole long block plus head assembly. 6k for new engine and parts is pretty fair.
Bought a smoking suburban once. Pulled the valve cover to find a chunk of the oil filter material stick in where the oil drains. Pulled it out and cleaned it up. No more smoke and it ran great. This guy had this thing sitting in his yard for 2 years because he was told the engine was blown up. 😂
Nice! Bought a 2016 GX460 with 72k for $12k cause it was stuck in limp mode. Owner was told it needed $13k in repairs so he just sold it cheap. Ended up being the secondary air intake failure that is widely known on the GX. After $600 and about 3 hours, I had it purring. This was in 2020, and still going strong.
1200 degrees to melt that aluminum. The plastic isn’t even discolored.
Check the oil pickup in the pan. It will be full of debris. Then ask me how I know..
This is actually a good selling point for doing your own oil changes because those high school kids they hire could easily make this mistake. They always screw something up
Why wrap the filter in plastic to begin with?
Removing the plastic is obvious to me because I've been changing oil for 40 years. But not every consumer knows that. It seems to me that the plastic is there as an extremely expensive mistake waiting to happen, purposely creating a problem when their does not need to be one. Shameful.
Not even close did a $105,000 engine replacement last year because the operator did not tighten the oil drain plug.
Also why I don't pre fill or accept filters without factory seal over the opening. That center hole goes directly to your crankshaft.