I’m a Windsor owner and have been for most of my music life. Marshall has always been over rated. You can clearly hear the difference. I can dial that Windsor in to any tone for any style and it sounds amazing every time. I also payed a fraction of the price for it. Poor Windsor never gets the respect it deserves for being a very versatile amp. Let the Marshall fan boys start the whining!
I don't know if you'd call it whining, but I do currently play the f*ck out of a ValveKing so hopefully that establishes that I'm not an elitist here. That said, the 800 stomps all over the Windsor in this comparison. I wasn't expecting such a drastic difference but there it is. In fairness, this is the only thing I've ever heard out of a Windsor and it might do other things better, but an 800 it ain't.
@@aldersmoke1agreed. The Windsor isn’t a bad amp and for the money, there’s a lot of tone there. To say it’s an 800… or a 900? I own both. It’s not. My band mate plays a Windsor and I think it adds a really nice balance to my tone. But they are just different. The peavy has a little bit more of tighter gain, almost compression, while my other two Marshalls seem to a more responsive gain and the mids and highs seem to break through much better. This is more noticeable live. Overall I think the Windsor is a nice amp, with TS9, it’s got some bite to it, but I wouldn’t compare it to a Marshall. The tones are simply different and how each of those amps projects those tones is different. But it adds balance to my rig.
@@JaredVest-h2d always a good idea to run different sounding rigs for a live mix so you're getting actual definition between the two guitars and there's room in the mix for both of you. A shitty sounding amp like the windsor has its place in the right setting.
I wasn't expecting the Windsor to chug and sound so aggressive. Definitely sounds different.. almost 5150ish or something.. either way I really liked it. I liked both for different reasons. I'd imagine they would sound rad in a mix blended together.
I think those two tones would sound great blended. The Peavey wasn’t as clear but it had a nasty high end that could complement the 800 . The Marshall had a more defined bottom end and mids were more defined maybe. The Windsor sounded great too but not really like the 800 .
They both sound really good. I can't really say one is better than the other but I do know that I can get a Windsor for 300 bucks.. a 2203 will run you about 4 times that..
the lowend / lower frequencys remidned me of a 6505. i‘d mid-boost that amp and maybe remove some 500hz low mid mud with Eq in the loop. This will bring the amp to life i think
I saw your comment and gave it a shot.. wow.. world of difference. 10band in the loop on my Windsor, pulled 500 hz down a bit… bumped up 1K and 2k slightly, also pulled back 31.25. Sounds pretty tight. Definitely gets rid of that muddy overtone.
Awesome shootout.... Interestingly I found that I liked the Marshall better in the mix, but preferred the Peavey when the backing tracks we're removed..... Both sound wonderful. Cheers!
So the 800 blows the Windsor out of the water. However, they did get a lot closer when you switched to the Explorer and had higher mids, so that may be part of it.
Windsor is a good amp. You can get all kind of great sounds with an eq pedal. Not terribly tight or forgiving for leads. I moved on to better amps when I got into shredding but it's always a decent option for someone's first tube amp. Depending on your style it might be the one.
I would have never thought of the Windsor as a clone of a Marshall. I do wish I had bought a Windsor when they were cheap, I went with the Valve King 100 and I don't regret it. It would be nice to have that as well. I was told that people use the Windor wrong, he said crank the master up and set volume with the pre. I thought about trying that at Guitar Center, then thought better. LOL I may get a Windsor used one day, but last I checked they were at least $100.00 more used than they were new.
Ryan you should check out the Seymour Duncan 805 pedal it is in the Tube Screamer vein but has treble and bass controls ....it would likely level that Windsor out more closely to the JCM800...another good pedal is the Electro Harmonix Canyon Overdrive, same additional tone shaping parameters...digging the riffs
There are tons of overdrives similar to Tube Screamers. I think I’ve owned somewhere around 30 of them. Haven’t checked out the SD, though. Cheers -Ryan
The Windsor is a horse of a different color. I know people compare it to this or that Marshall but you really can't. Very underrated amp as far as tone especially when you put a 10 band in the loop. Build quality... that's a different subject.
Windsor-I like the sound.Sound is more modern-a kind of hifi amp sound with loudness switched on-slightly enchansed bottom end and high freq's compared to JCM... Great videos,as always,and great playing!
Marshall won. I play the Peavey classic head its better than the windsor IMO! Marshall is clearer and so is the Classic its used on Swedens biggest band Kents Isola record.
@@Crypticmaskguitar Sorry to hear. 2 bad im in Sweden would love for it to feature in your shootouts! Its not THAT different perhaps but I think its a bit better than the one in the shootout. Perhaps im biased towards it.
The reason behind it is: it’s a High Gain Shootout. If it didn’t have that in the title then I could understand including clean samples. But when it’s titled “High Gain Shootout” then cleans don’t need to be included. People complain when they are in that scenario. Cheers -Ryan
Anyone remember the video where there was a blind JCM800 vs Peavey Windsor? its old . but damn, that probably inspired this video. They are NOT the same. But you can create similarities for certain songs/tones.
It’s on the list, for sure! But it is a long list… and I just bought an ENGL Fireball 100 so that might get some attention for a little bit. Cheers -Ryan
Solo players would like the windsor it has more scoop ,I add a BOSS preamp RPQ 10 Parametric and then I like it.But nothing is like my 6505+ because I need nothing in front of it.Straight in I love that.The winsor I got 250$ new so that alone should win a shoot out.
HELP! --- Ok, I picked up a really clean what looks like an un-molested 100watt Windsor half stack and I am running it with a Boss GT-PRO with a DBX266. done what i could but Sounds like SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thought since I bought most of the kit used there was something up with the boss or the DBX266. If I plug in headphones to the Boss Pro its creamy vaginal goodness. So next test, set the Windsor up with a little preamp (2) and (2) on the master everything else is point up.. Clean dry sound, good. plug the Boss PRO into the input low and its sounds like a radio shack 3" speaker, its almost like the DBX trimmed the top and bottom off and reduced. but removing the DBX from the mix and its the same BUTT-MUDD dripping out. Tubes? Plugin in the amp raw ... tele with preamp full-mast and Master at 2 and everything else neutral its still sounds dead. Missing that crispy fuzz... I live on an island in the middle of BFE there a no vibrator repair shops around. just the occasional garage accordion duct tape repair shop. I don't want to give anyone sloppy seconds then let them piss and moan why I sold them a crap amp. So I pray now to the Oh godly one any advise you can give would be appreciated.
So the Amp sounds fine on its' own and the Effects Unit sounds good on its' own... but together sound horrible. Effects units sometimes have numerous outputs and controls for those outputs. Could be that. You could try the effects loop on the front of the amp as well. But more than likely it going to be the selected output on the Boss and possible controls/settings for it. Cheers -Ryan
Effects loop a little better but noticed one tube is a little dimmer the others. don't know if this even indicates the tubes condition or if it just goes to school on the short bus. However I was able to make it a little better by turning up the outputs and the input on the Boss. Not sure what to do except give it to the neighborhood teen looking to piss off his parents. Going to stay on track for that JCM800. Though I have been a Voodoo fan (Modified) Two Voodoo's 100wat on left and right channel really seems to have a quicker seizure reaction time on my neighbor. You know higher quality twitches and a lot more orifice liquid. have you reviewed old school Voodoo 120?
I’m a Windsor owner and have been for most of my music life. Marshall has always been over rated. You can clearly hear the difference. I can dial that Windsor in to any tone for any style and it sounds amazing every time. I also payed a fraction of the price for it. Poor Windsor never gets the respect it deserves for being a very versatile amp. Let the Marshall fan boys start the whining!
Especially with a few mods, hoping to find one myself
I don't know if you'd call it whining, but I do currently play the f*ck out of a ValveKing so hopefully that establishes that I'm not an elitist here. That said, the 800 stomps all over the Windsor in this comparison. I wasn't expecting such a drastic difference but there it is. In fairness, this is the only thing I've ever heard out of a Windsor and it might do other things better, but an 800 it ain't.
@@aldersmoke1agreed. The Windsor isn’t a bad amp and for the money, there’s a lot of tone there. To say it’s an 800… or a 900? I own both. It’s not. My band mate plays a Windsor and I think it adds a really nice balance to my tone. But they are just different. The peavy has a little bit more of tighter gain, almost compression, while my other two Marshalls seem to a more responsive gain and the mids and highs seem to break through much better. This is more noticeable live. Overall I think the Windsor is a nice amp, with TS9, it’s got some bite to it, but I wouldn’t compare it to a Marshall. The tones are simply different and how each of those amps projects those tones is different. But it adds balance to my rig.
@@JaredVest-h2d always a good idea to run different sounding rigs for a live mix so you're getting actual definition between the two guitars and there's room in the mix for both of you. A shitty sounding amp like the windsor has its place in the right setting.
No lie that peavey sounds pretty heavy! To me it sounds more like a 900
If the 900 actually had bass.
@@samizdat113 I added a Wampler Triumph to my JCM 900 High Gain Dual Reverb 50w and it gives it the low end its missing because it has a bass knob
I wasn't expecting the Windsor to chug and sound so aggressive. Definitely sounds different.. almost 5150ish or something.. either way I really liked it. I liked both for different reasons. I'd imagine they would sound rad in a mix blended together.
I think those two tones would sound great blended. The Peavey wasn’t as clear but it had a nasty high end that could complement the 800 . The Marshall had a more defined bottom end and mids were more defined maybe. The Windsor sounded great too but not really like the 800 .
Okay when are you doing the No Metal comparison?
should add, i own a windsor and it constantly surprises snobs, running through a cab with two v30s and two db77 eminences i do like mixing stuff up
They both sound really good. I can't really say one is better than the other but I do know that I can get a Windsor for 300 bucks.. a 2203 will run you about 4 times that..
I love these shootouts you do. Let's see the Valveking 100 go up against the DSL 100. I've been waiting for someone to do it, no one has.
the lowend / lower frequencys remidned me of a 6505. i‘d mid-boost that amp and maybe remove some 500hz low mid mud with Eq in the loop. This will bring the amp to life i think
nailed it.
@@trashteeth did you try it? :)
I saw your comment and gave it a shot.. wow.. world of difference. 10band in the loop on my Windsor, pulled 500 hz down a bit… bumped up 1K and 2k slightly, also pulled back 31.25. Sounds pretty tight. Definitely gets rid of that muddy overtone.
Peavey gives me Metallica vibes
Peavey out Marshall’d Marshall !
Awesome shootout.... Interestingly I found that I liked the Marshall better in the mix, but preferred the Peavey when the backing tracks we're removed..... Both sound wonderful. Cheers!
That’s precisely the reason I purchased and sold my peavey 5150. It sounded amazing by itself. But sounded like shit with my band
The Peavey sounds like it has a lot more gain than the JCM800. I might have to listen to more demos of the Windsor. 🤔
It definitely has more gain… BUT the frequencies aren’t that well balanced. They seem to flub them self out in comparison. Cheers -Ryan
The Peavey sounds nasaly but I've seen some that were modded and man did they sound sweet.
Put a Drake or Mercury OT in the Windsor and it’ll open it up more. Peavey used pretty yucky OTs as opposed to the 5150s.
So the 800 blows the Windsor out of the water. However, they did get a lot closer when you switched to the Explorer and had higher mids, so that may be part of it.
Windsor is a good amp. You can get all kind of great sounds with an eq pedal. Not terribly tight or forgiving for leads. I moved on to better amps when I got into shredding but it's always a decent option for someone's first tube amp. Depending on your style it might be the one.
I shocked, peavey windsor is really good, we know JCM and respect - but listen your ears not your snob-devil.
🤘This Guy can flippin Rip!!🤘Subbed🤘
And can we take a minute to appreciate these sweet velvety jamz. awesome.
The Marshall by far.
I wanted to like the Peavey but it sounds stiff, flat, thin and has no juice.
I would have never thought of the Windsor as a clone of a Marshall. I do wish I had bought a Windsor when they were cheap, I went with the Valve King 100 and I don't regret it. It would be nice to have that as well. I was told that people use the Windor wrong, he said crank the master up and set volume with the pre. I thought about trying that at Guitar Center, then thought better. LOL
I may get a Windsor used one day, but last I checked they were at least $100.00 more used than they were new.
Ryan you should check out the Seymour Duncan 805 pedal it is in the Tube Screamer vein but has treble and bass controls ....it would likely level that Windsor out more closely to the JCM800...another good pedal is the Electro Harmonix Canyon Overdrive, same additional tone shaping parameters...digging the riffs
There are tons of overdrives similar to Tube Screamers. I think I’ve owned somewhere around 30 of them. Haven’t checked out the SD, though. Cheers -Ryan
peaveay its' a little more modern soundign or more scopped. overal they both sound great
The Windsor is a horse of a different color. I know people compare it to this or that Marshall but you really can't. Very underrated amp as far as tone especially when you put a 10 band in the loop. Build quality... that's a different subject.
Love the music great, riffage! Great sound!
Love my Windsor amp.
The Windsor doesn't sound as full as the 800. They both sound good but, preferred the Marshall.
Windsor-I like the sound.Sound is more modern-a kind of hifi amp sound with loudness switched on-slightly enchansed bottom end and high freq's compared to JCM...
Great videos,as always,and great playing!
800 sounded best in standard, Windsor sounded better in drop c
The Peavey is laking that nice mid focus bite the 800 has. A little thinner in the leads too
Marshall won.
I play the Peavey classic head its better than the windsor IMO!
Marshall is clearer and so is the Classic its used on Swedens biggest band Kents Isola record.
I used to have a Classic 50 4x10. I regret selling it years back. Such a great amp! Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar Sorry to hear. 2 bad im in Sweden would love for it to feature in your shootouts! Its not THAT different perhaps but I think its a bit better than the one in the shootout. Perhaps im biased towards it.
I've been on the lookout for a 50w Peavey Classic Head for a while. They rarely come up, though. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar you do not need another guitar head.
both are thin but the peavey is thinner
I don't understand how hard it would be to include 15 seconds of cleans. Not everyone is playong balls out all the time. Most aren't.
The reason behind it is: it’s a High Gain Shootout. If it didn’t have that in the title then I could understand including clean samples. But when it’s titled “High Gain Shootout” then cleans don’t need to be included. People complain when they are in that scenario. Cheers -Ryan
Peavey blows it away..
Anyone remember the video where there was a blind JCM800 vs Peavey Windsor? its old . but damn, that probably inspired this video. They are NOT the same. But you can create similarities for certain songs/tones.
800 vs Shiva
If you haven't done it already you should compare the JCM 800 to the Peavy 6505+.
It’s on the list, for sure! But it is a long list… and I just bought an ENGL Fireball 100 so that might get some attention for a little bit. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar now that's interesting. 🤘😎
Solo players would like the windsor it has more scoop ,I add a BOSS preamp RPQ 10 Parametric and then I like it.But nothing is like my 6505+ because I need nothing in front of it.Straight in I love that.The winsor I got 250$ new so that alone should win a shoot out.
800! That peavey sounds like it's got a "blanket over the cab sound," lol.
Feel good about yourself you have made a difference..... That shit was funny right there
Hey, which strings and gauges do you use on your Gibsons?🤘
10-46 Daddario XL. I’m pretty sure the same string brand and gauge I have been using since ‘95-‘96 haha! Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar same gauge for drop C?
Terrific comparison!
I go with the JCM800.
wish i could tel l which amp was wich..i have to assume #blind both sound good but the 2nd in all these was a bit too scooped and lost body
Love the demo, thank you. Great playing as always!!
I like the sound of that Windsor, so raw and sleazy.
This is a fantastic video, thank you!
peavy is more mid scooped amp
Cool riffing dude!!
Pair the two. Wow
The Peavy sounds similar, but scooped
Just about anything can be considered "Scooped" compared to a JCM 800, though. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar haha yeah that's a pretty fair assessment
Damn pretty impressed by peavey
The Windsor for the Win!!
HELP! --- Ok, I picked up a really clean what looks like an un-molested 100watt Windsor half stack and I am running it with a Boss GT-PRO with a DBX266. done what i could but Sounds like SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thought since I bought most of the kit used there was something up with the boss or the DBX266. If I plug in headphones to the Boss Pro its creamy vaginal goodness. So next test, set the Windsor up with a little preamp (2) and (2) on the master everything else is point up.. Clean dry sound, good. plug the Boss PRO into the input low and its sounds like a radio shack 3" speaker, its almost like the DBX trimmed the top and bottom off and reduced. but removing the DBX from the mix and its the same BUTT-MUDD dripping out. Tubes? Plugin in the amp raw ... tele with preamp full-mast and Master at 2 and everything else neutral its still sounds dead. Missing that crispy fuzz... I live on an island in the middle of BFE there a no vibrator repair shops around. just the occasional garage accordion duct tape repair shop. I don't want to give anyone sloppy seconds then let them piss and moan why I sold them a crap amp. So I pray now to the Oh godly one any advise you can give would be appreciated.
So the Amp sounds fine on its' own and the Effects Unit sounds good on its' own... but together sound horrible. Effects units sometimes have numerous outputs and controls for those outputs. Could be that. You could try the effects loop on the front of the amp as well. But more than likely it going to be the selected output on the Boss and possible controls/settings for it. Cheers -Ryan
Just a update does the same thing with a Boss GT-6 Will try the effects look next.
Effects loop a little better but noticed one tube is a little dimmer the others. don't know if this even indicates the tubes condition or if it just goes to school on the short bus. However I was able to make it a little better by turning up the outputs and the input on the Boss. Not sure what to do except give it to the neighborhood teen looking to piss off his parents. Going to stay on track for that JCM800. Though I have been a Voodoo fan (Modified) Two Voodoo's 100wat on left and right channel really seems to have a quicker seizure reaction time on my neighbor. You know higher quality twitches and a lot more orifice liquid. have you reviewed old school Voodoo 120?