Generating Gain Riding Automation with SWS Loudness tool (Rapid-Fire REAPER Tutorial 101)

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  • Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
  • Generating Gain Riding Automation with SWS Loudness tool (Rapid-Fire REAPER Tutorial 101)
    Hey folks!
    Today's question is brought to you by the lovely Bo Danerius. We're gonna do a riff on Kenny Gioia's Gain Riding trick using SWS Loudness, the benefit being that its done offline and is item-based. As with everything else, there are workflow & result-based trade-offs, so we'll discuss some of those too!
    Check out the blog post for more info:
    www.iddqdsound.com/blog/rfrt/101
    Watch Kenny's tutorial using the JS Loudness Analyzer:
    • Automatic Gain (Vocal)...
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Intro
    0:53 SWS Loudness tool quick review
    2:25 Generating a momentary loudness graph
    2:58 Reversing & Fine tuning the graph using Automation items
    4:27 Reverb ducking using the loudness graph
    6:15 Benefits of this method vs. Sidechaining
    7:59 Andrew Scheps' Parallel Compression trick
    9:15 Generating a short-term graph (LU-S)
    10:15 Parallel Compressor bus adjustments
    11:41 Outro

КОМЕНТАРІ • 74

  • @docshadrach
    @docshadrach 11 місяців тому +7

    If you do this on "Volume (PreFX) envelope it shows the changes in the audio visually in real time.

  • @bobless5517
    @bobless5517 3 місяці тому +1

    Wow! Super! Fast, simple, brilliant! Thanks!

  • @newmorningrecords
    @newmorningrecords 2 роки тому +1

    This kind of tricks are great! Thank you

  • @kelvinfunkner
    @kelvinfunkner Рік тому

    this is an insanely cool trick! Thanks!

  • @martijnvandongen
    @martijnvandongen 2 роки тому +1

    This is really amazing ! Thank you so much!

  • @danthegeetarman
    @danthegeetarman Рік тому

    You are amazing!!! This saves even more time!!

  • @snrmark1042
    @snrmark1042 2 роки тому +2

    This is definitely a time saver, I had to.vocal ride few days ago, lol. The parallel trick is really cool definitely gonna try that. Thanks so much for the shout out, really appreciate it.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Dude the song is incredible! I wanna do a remix :)

    • @snrmark1042
      @snrmark1042 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound wow , yh sure. I'd love that, yaay

  • @colinkyffinmusic323
    @colinkyffinmusic323 2 роки тому

    Great stuff . . . as usual. :)

  • @jefffogle1288
    @jefffogle1288 2 роки тому +2

    Genius

  •  2 роки тому

    Great tip !

  • @EqDior
    @EqDior 2 роки тому

    what an amazing tutorial!

  • @DThompson55
    @DThompson55 2 роки тому

    BRILLIANT! I know what i'll be doing this weekend.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому

      Did you do it? :D (post-weekend police checking in)

    • @DThompson55
      @DThompson55 2 роки тому

      ​@@IDDQDSound Yes! Working with a singer who was not always on the mic, this was just the trick to get consistent vocals and a nice volume swell at the ends of her words that were getting lost otherwise. I would have done this by hand previously. I have a couple projects coming up where it might come in handy as well.

  • @boyreporter
    @boyreporter 2 роки тому

    you just blew my mind

  • @Mariosyjp
    @Mariosyjp Рік тому

    Wow! You just beat Kenny..... no small feat!!

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому +1

      I dunno about beat haha. He was the inception of the idea so he's like Mozart and I'm just someone who plays Mozart, but thanks :)

  • @bodanerius
    @bodanerius 2 роки тому +1

    This is the best day in a very long time. Thanks for the shoutout + doing this tutorial. Watching it gets me thinking! Why isnt there a plugin that does this automatically? A LUFS pilotsignal that ducks the volume + 300-ish ms look ahead...?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому

      Someone on Reddit mentioned this plugin. The tutorial is a bit hard to understand (I for one can't even read the name) but check it out. Still realtime though.
      ua-cam.com/video/fb0ikjAVGkQ/v-deo.htmlm11s

  • @leafac
    @leafac 2 роки тому +3

    11:38: 😁
    So, I looked into this briefly and it seems like SWS doesn’t expose “Create short-term/momentary graph in selected envelope” for scripts. Not via actions; not via Lua functions. We could do most of the heavy lifting ourselves and sort of recreate this feature in a script, but it would probably be slower than SWS (which is in C++), so not worth it. Maybe the best answer is: This could be a feature request for SWS itself.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому

      Putting it in the slack :)

  • @vasiliymelnikov590
    @vasiliymelnikov590 2 роки тому

    Smart!!

  • @CaeSharp
    @CaeSharp Рік тому

    Best solution right here! Tho I guess it's decades until it finally can be fully automated. Does anyone know of tv shows, series, movies, or serious podcast or radio stations that use any form of gain riding?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      Every podcast and film I worked on ever! Maybe not syllable-by-syllable riding but yeah in film you have standards for dialogue loudness, so a whispered lines comes up, shouted line goes down.
      For podcasts, same thing, people tend to start quiet then warm up and get excited and start shouting, or they move away from the mic, so all of those things require riding the gain.
      If you want something more automated than that you can use a gain riding plugin, or a very soft compressor with the threshold somewhere that it's always attacking or releasing.

  • @bobcabrera3080
    @bobcabrera3080 2 роки тому +2

    This is a game-changer for me. Thanks! When using Waves Vocal Rider, the biggest issue I have had is that when I want the dynamics preserved, specifically when I want the end of a phrase to naturally fade a bit, Vocal Rider wipes out the natural fade by bringing up the level. With your version of Kenny’s method, do you fix that by editing the automation to change it from “riding up” when you want a fade down?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +2

      If I want a fade down then yeah. I usually do like the fade up (or at least in this track I felt I needed it.)
      Tbh Vocal Rider is what I use and like, and I can have it write to the volume envelope and edit that! Because it has range sliders I tend to find it more practical :)

  • @codycreepcore
    @codycreepcore 2 роки тому

    I think the Scheps trick is called a Rear Bus or something similar

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому

      Yes exactly! Looked it up once I was finished shooting, too lazy to re-shoot haha :)

  • @grotteko
    @grotteko 2 роки тому

    That's great!! Thx! Is it possible to add this to the pre fader volume as well?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Yes! Actually I probably should've done that since there was a compressor on the track!
      You can select pre-fx envelope from the envelope window. It'll be pre-fx too!

  • @angelomustaine777
    @angelomustaine777 Рік тому

    Any way to use this on drums?

  • @JuanMotta
    @JuanMotta 2 роки тому

    Hi, thanks for teaching this, i have a problem using this action, the volume automation is all down and only have some minimal pics. Thanks

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Your source audio may be too quiet. Since values are logarithmic, boosting your volume will give a more detailed graph, but even if you don't, you can adjust the amplitude after you make it an automation item to scale it up!

    • @JuanMotta
      @JuanMotta 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound thanks, but the volume is ok after plugins, how i can increse the input volume?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      @@JuanMotta when you select envelopes on a track, you can choose pre-fx volume envelope!

    • @JuanMotta
      @JuanMotta 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound thanks!!! I'm going to trie it

  • @eikegermann7469
    @eikegermann7469 10 місяців тому

    I was wondering about this with Kenny’s video and you’ve definitely confirmed it for me - The loudness is based on the clip, not the output. That confuses me, because it does not do what I’d do when I ride a fader to record automation, listen after the FX. Is there a reason for why that is? I would expect a loudness envelope that doesn’t consider my plugins, especially compression, to have exaggerated level differences compared to the compressed signal. Or am I overthinking this?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  4 місяці тому +1

      yeah it's based on the clip, because to process and calculate loudness offline it reads the file, and doesn't read the fx. The kenny method will read the output if it's last in the chain. So it does have that benefit. ie you can put it as the last fx on your master, or as the last fx of any track, etc.

    • @eikegermann7469
      @eikegermann7469 4 місяці тому

      @@IDDQDSoundThat clears things up, thank you!

  • @goody8321
    @goody8321 2 роки тому

    awli awli ! :)))

  • @lmusik2417
    @lmusik2417 2 роки тому

    ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @elderozone
    @elderozone 2 роки тому

    Awesome! And what's the song? It sounds great

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! It's one of mine. I was mixing it on livestreams until my OBS gave up on me :(

    • @elderozone
      @elderozone 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound Cool! I'll keep my ears open for it. I really like the vibe since it reminds me of the We are Born-album by Sia

  • @MattyB3
    @MattyB3 2 роки тому

    Hi Arya, just wanted to ask you, do you have any great videos on recording midi bass or writing in in the MIDI Editor I want to create a track using Moto bass. Thanks. Matt

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Hey! I have lots of MIDI stuff, nothing specifically on bass, but check out the channel playlists and there's one on MIDI editing. You should find lots of useful stiff therea

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      But also I'll do one on bass too!

    • @MattyB3
      @MattyB3 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound 🙏

    • @MattyB3
      @MattyB3 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound thanks I’ll look for them… for some reason I’m having an issue creating a downward slide 😬, it’s still trying to figure it out. Thanks as always

  • @MrMockigton
    @MrMockigton Рік тому

    just a heads up, reaper has a built-in 1 button function for that.
    ua-cam.com/video/tjnrGU83PB4/v-deo.html
    This tutorial is from before the update, they streamlined it since.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      My method is faster and not in real time :)

  • @4huge4
    @4huge4 2 роки тому

    Something not very close to this content ,is there any way to use folders like cubase ? To hide in one track all the content?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Heyy! Yeah I think so, I'm not a cubase user but look at Free item positioning?

  • @cityofscreams
    @cityofscreams 2 роки тому

    does the parallel compression create problems with your gain staging?

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      Haha yes it does :)
      In reality, I shouldn't have put the automation on the volume envelope, but the pre-fx volume envelope. That way it would adjust the gain before they feed into the compressor and then no problems. I did it quickly and didn't notice this :)

    • @cityofscreams
      @cityofscreams 2 роки тому

      @@IDDQDSound ooh, thatd probably work nicely but idk, tbh this is kinda above my current skill level lol, Ive wanted to try parallel comp on my drums but idk how to compensate for the added volume

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  2 роки тому +1

      @@cityofscreams What I do is get the compression right by turning it way up, then I turn it all the way down, and gradually bring it up as I mute and unmute, until it's at a place where, if it's not there I'll miss it, but when it is there it's adding some extra RMS but not any extra peaks at all, then from there I try not to touch the compressor, and just go to the bus level and turn it down a bit if needed, but ideally, you should not really be getting higher peaks, just a higher RMS :)

  • @lordgraga
    @lordgraga Рік тому

    The only thing I'm missing here is to be able to print the envelope in a render instead of doing it realtime, because this is nice but it's not gonna cut it as a workflow for levelling a 1.5 hour podcast.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      not sure I understand. If you write the envelope then render it will be in the render

    • @lordgraga
      @lordgraga Рік тому +1

      @@IDDQDSound yes, what I meant was that instead of playing through the track in realtime to write the envelope, I should be able to do it at 100 X speed or whatever.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      @@lordgraga That's what the SWS feature does though. Apply it offline, render it offline. The Kenny Gioia method is realtime, but the SWS method is offline at a very high speed. For a 90 minute audio file I bet it wouldn't be much more than a few minutes.

    • @lordgraga
      @lordgraga Рік тому

      @@IDDQDSound oh gosh, apologies for missing that details! Thanks a lot for the correction, look much forward to using this then.

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      @@lordgraga haha no worries! I think it took me longer to explain this than it takes for the feature to do the task lol

  • @chinpou
    @chinpou Рік тому

    I just A/B'd it with Kenny's video method, and this way results in much less detail (fewer envelope points) FWIW. Would love to have a quicker way to do write the vocal ride envelope, though... Tried raising the rate to 4x and doing kenny's method. No such luck 🥸

    • @IDDQDSound
      @IDDQDSound  Рік тому

      Ah shucks. Try A/B ing drawing graph with short term and momentary, that could help.
      FWIW I feel like less detail is better cuz I hear too much up and down and my preference is a straight forwardish curve.
      Or could be an sws feature request to add support for rms based envelopes where you choose the size