Respect to vinnie for his measured and respectful responses. He never says anything negative about another culture, he just focuses on the positives or says simply "i'm detached form that".
@@rosswhitehill3207 both have same features. Its like a puzzle piece. Curtain rappers are good at curtain pieces where you need some raw raps and they may need to fill a coris spot. Vinnie started both but if you like one you have to atleast like a few songs from the other.
Thanks for having V Paz on dude, The underground is where Hip Hop lives as a fan of Hip Hop since I'm 8 and I'm 42. Vin's type music is perfect for me.
Anthony Arcanum Sanctum Regnum you and I are on the same page. I’m 43 and also been listening to Hip Hop since I was 8. Been a big fan ever since. I love Jedi Mind Tricks and a lot of East Coast hip-hop. Perfect type of music for me as well. Congrats on keeping it real for this long.
Same here man I just started listening to him 5 months ago I bought 2 of vinnys albums I really liked the army of pharaohs and then I learned about Celph titled and bought one of his albums now I listen to it daily
Icp are genius. Been a juggalo a long time and they are smart business men. They literally have their own culture and helped make horrorcore mainstream and a successful genre of music.
@Jeremy Backman Now that interview i would interested in seeing . As much as people wanna hate on them they tapped into a market that most wouldn't have even thought about and made a career out of it .Been a die hard ICP fan for years and they have earned the respect of a lot of die hard fans . They haven't done much lately but still legends in my book .
@Jeremy Backman Wouldn't mind seeing that interview myself . they're now considered legends in the hip hop community which is kinda funny cause in the beginning hip hop wouldn't even acknowledge them but they did carve out a niche that worked and tapped into a fanbase that few would . Been a die hard fan for yrs. and respect to them .
The opioid, Xanax, and lean epidemic in todays youth is the breading ground for mumble rap. You ever listen to a heroin addict, a xan head, or someone on lean talk? Ye it sounds exactly like these rappers. You can't understand a single word they are saying.
I find it hilarious that a lot of kids talk about "lean" as if it's their thing, like we weren't fuckin around with it 10 years ago in high school lol A serious lack of self awareness in today's youth
@Tinkleboy You haven't a clue who KAAN is clearly. You thinki Vinnie goes around killing people? Yeah that's what i thought. Fan Boy? Your names not Vinnie Paz. Dumb
@Matt Tinkelman Say what you will, but what Vinnie did in the early 90's with JMT is kind of legendary, and he is a pioneer of independent underground hip hop. One of the first groups to blow without a major label to back them, and he put on many talented people over the years.
@Matt Tinkelman You can look at it that way i suppose, or you can see it for what it is. The way I see it is Vin was smarter than the few that hate him now. Vinnie managed tours, albums, production, ect. With so many hands out it's hard to please everyone for a long period of time. Guys like King Mag, Dez, Doap, ect still acting like goons into their 40's. Vinnie is not going to let others ruin what he built. I actually have some deep insight into that scene being friends with Esoteric, and know quite a bit of behind the scenes with the recent beefs. The truth is the vast majority of his peers highly respect him, and treat him like a blood brother for a reason. You see it all the time in life with people who only care for themselves, they will act like they love you until you cannot give to them anymore, and then it turns to hate instead of appreciation for what was done. The "using" was coming from the other end.
@Matt Tinkelman You right about some of his unoriginality for sure. He has been known to use things he did not create on more than one occasion, and that is what most of the beef is over. There were lots of handshake agreements that got turned on for both sides, from album art, to verses on albums, tour dates, features, and more. I can also agree it's mostly gimmick with any of the horrorcore shit he creates, but let's be honest only probably 5% of any rappers live the lyrics throughout time when it comes to gangster shit right up to the biggest names. I am much more of a fan of his heartfelt songs over the AOTP stuff or bangers on his recent solo albums that is all gimmick. I cannot argue that point, but from what I hear his heart has always been in the right place, and never set out to rise himself over others. I only met him once, and def do not know him on a personal level what so ever, but from all the stories I have heard over the years about him from working the Boston club scene as security he's not a bad person.
holy shit how is vinnie paz on rogans podcast?? so crazy man. im a huge underground hip hop fan and paz is one of my faves. so cool for rogan to have him on. love it.
I just went to a Jedi mind tricks concert a week ago in Philly. Never in a million years would I have guessed Vinnie P would be on a podcast with joe lol
IMO mumble rap is just a phase of hip hop just like crunk rap was. Mumble rap recently just began and it’s already played out and it’ll be gone soon. No matter what phase hip hop is in the mcs that have skill will always be around and will always have the top spot.
Unfortunately "Mumble Rap" isn't going anywhere. It started in 2011-2012 and its almost 2020 in a couple of years. You fail to realize that Hip-Hop is still a "Young Mans Sport". It's reflective of the youth & generation. No matter how degenerative or dysfunctional it is. Many of the new wave of rapper cite these rappers as their influence: 1)Chief Keef (Keep in mind he's still only 21-22) 2)Gucci Mane 3)Lil' B 4)Lil' Wayne 5)Waka Flocka Flame Note: Honorable Mention - Soulja Boy Now take the names I mentioned. And the music of the "new wave" which influences the culture of today. The next wave of rappers will be just as bad or worst than the current generation of rappers. You will see a new wave of "Lil' Pumps, 6ix9ines, and Xxxtentacions" in the next ten years. It's best to find another genre or literally find artist who still have substance, if you still can find any after 2020.
Vinnie Paz is THE man! Intelligent, well spoken, great lyricist, diverse musical taste... The WHOLE package. Interesting career, interesting artist. Much respect!
I'm 21 seconds in and already reminded of why I love Paz. I got plenty of disagreements over his lyrical content but damn the man is astute and genuine.
End of Days is silly garbage. Paz doesn't really have a coherent political vision so one song will be a really tremendous and factual summary of a Howard Zinn book and the next will be complete nonsense about how Al Qaeda and the Saudi Wahabists are freedom fighters. He's still a weapons grade MC and a charming guy.
He’s going down as one of the greatest MCs to walk the earth along with immortal technique, rugged man, pretty much all of AOTP, outer space, Reel wolf and of course Jedi mind, also ill bill! We are privileged to grow up in this gen with all these stars!!!
Reel wolf ain't a group nor an artist .... All of AOTP?? Lol do you even know all the members? And which aotp because there was many versions of it. Lol. But I get what you're saying.
Vinnie Paz is a legend far as I'm concerned, I can't stand these modern mumble rapping drugged out hipsters in skinny jeans bro, I grew up in the 90's/2000's on baggy jeans big t-shirts an good rap and rock
Yeahh u just old bro lol no one calls em hipsters, no one calls it mumble rap, no one's rocking skinny jeans anymore 😂 you like what u grew up with and that's coo but let the kids have what they like. Vinnie loves plenty of drug talk as long as it's done with skill and originality & that's what chief keef and future n some of the new (well, new compared to vinnie lol) cats do.
I honestly dont care for Mumble Rap, I like rap with lyrics and bars that make me go OH DAMN that was fire like Old Tupac and Biggie Smalls, and honestly if they are mumble rapping over a good beat I always just look up an instrumental of that beat cause the mumbling takes away from the track to me tbh.
He’s not a mumble rapper... He’s riding on the previous successes of cats like Lil Jon and Bone Crusher. His style is more akin to that dirty south crunk music people were bumpin in the 2000’s.... Though he has been getting more quiet with his delivery lately now that hes blown up
Tekashi is much more than that, he’s a Top Tier striker for Mexico’s International team, while goal keeping for Barcelona. Step aside Ter Stegen, there’s a new guero in town.
Same here been listening for around 10 years. I'm 24. You should check out the 90's and 80's man. Big daddy Kane ,Rakim , KRS one. Pete Rock n CL smooth. You'd be surprised how fucken good the golden eras were man.
Wack music ha always been a thing. You just look back and remember the greats. But we’ve always had rich famous terrible musicians in every genre since the beginning of time. They just don’t get talked about much now since the shitty one’s stayed irrelevant over the test of time. But if you go back to refresh your memory we’ve always had bad music promoted to the top. Let’s be real.
Diffrince being back in the days people actually needed to have some kind of talents, either able to play an instrument or atleast sing. ''Terrible'' isint the same because you dont like it, this is terrible, because its talentless shit spewing of no words. Hey you might not like an old psychadelic group from the 60's and maybe you find it shit, but atleast they had the talent to play and sing for themselves.
Agree with you on that. I think the biggest difference is wack shit got no love back in the day. Now wack shit is the biggest thing out. The crazy part to me is a lot of these mumble rappers can actually rap if they wanted to. An example I was given by killer mike is future. He told me and my people one time having this same discussion that future was a rappers rapper. Straight spitter but he never went anywhere with it. Started the auto tune lean shit and blew up 🤷🏻♂️. So who the hell knows.
Part of the problem is record labels. Part ot the problem is radio stations. Part of the problem is lack of culture. Part of the problem is lack of originality. Hip hop wasn't always meant to be "cool" hip hop was meant to spread a message. Meant to educate in a different way in which most people can relate with. Radio staions and governments doesn't want rappers speaking truth and wisdom. They don't want the youth growing up with knowledge. They want sheep.
True but back then they weren’t held to high standards like they are now! Like I don’t remember people saying yo young mc is dope as fuck or vanilla ice is sick, now I have young kids looking at me like I’m crazy for NOT thinking young thug or lil uzi is dope!
Jedi Mind Tricks created some of the best rap ever. Vinnie looks and sounds like a Pirate and if he created Pirate rap it would probably still be A+ music. Vinnie looks good here, I remember around 2011 - 2012 he was boozing pretty heavy and looking sick. I wonder if he got sober.
This was a phenomenal interview with one of the best MC’s of all time without a doubt. I just wish that Vinnie was a little less humble and that Joe delved deeper into the seriousness of his lyrics and extracted some insight on the super raw and undeniably violent shit that he spits. Would have been great to get an inside look on where that comes from. I’ve seen Paz perform in person twice and I’m not exaggerating when I say that this mans presence changes the temperature of the room... dude is no joke
The wack music back in the day was usually recognized as silliness even during it's time and made fun of, aside from a few one hit wonders. Never was the wack music all that was played on the radio, all that was talked about in the music press and all that won any awards. Never was the only good music underground or indie. This is definitely a new phenomenon, primarily brought on by the fact that 20 somethings don't buy albums, in fact no one buys albums. It's all streaming ad revenue, and who has the time to stream constantly? 11-16 year olds using their parents' internet subscription. This is why modern music is geared toward children with underdeveloped frontal lobes as opposed to the 18-34 demographic like it always had been in the past.
10 cool points from me too. Joe knows hiphop. Still to this day I think "moment of truth" is one of the best hiphop albums ever made. RIP Guru. And Dj Premier is STILL making classic tunes. It's amazing.
I hope vinnie pazz get SOOOOO many new followers from being on the JRE.. Vinnie pazz is one of the greatest rappers of all time. He doesnt get the spotlight he deserves.
@@jonnyaufiero4622 Vins worth a couple mil man. Might not seem like it but hes got his hands on JMT (obviously), AOTP, HMK, and more. Matter of fact his next solo album drops tomorrow, dudes a workaholic lol always on tour
I love how level-headed he is about it. So many people talking shit about mumble rap in the comments, but it is what it is. Even Vinnie can see it's just the new wave for this next generation of kids. Don't worry about what they're doing and support the music you DO love
It's def a generational thing and i'm glad he acknowledges that. you get older and you don't like the same shit anymore. or the new shit doesn't appeal to you because you're not 20 anymore. it's ok to get old gracefully and not try to feebly cling to your youth and not really understand what the kids are into anymore
If you can’t understand the moral dilemma posed by Lil Pump in his hit song “Gucci Gang” then you clearly aren’t an intellectual and most definitely do not watch Rick and Morty.
Notice Vinnie rarely if ever talks about himself. Yet imo is one of the most phenomenal MC's of his era. Maybe even the most underated along with RA. Interview is refreshing and reinforces exactly why I like Vinnie and Jedi Mind Tricks. Talented and humble dude, who has many personal issues, but has the inner strength to overcome them and perform for us. Maybe an interview with Rugged Man in the future Mr. Rogan? 🤞
"I listen to Nas" foreal Joe, I miss the days of True MC's not these new age trash "rapper's" ... I still just listen to old shit Nas, Big L, Big pun, Wutang, the lox, ect...
Dawg there’s still better lyricists out there than all the guys you mentioned besides pun maybe. Check out Joey badass, earl sweatshirt, Kendrick, jid, Bishop Nehru, Mach hommy
michael clarkin I didn’t say that, I said there ARE rappers who have that skill and beyond. Not all modern rappers are better. If you have twist my words that far to come up with a response, which was still shit, why even say anything fam?
Talking while repeatedly a getting broom rammed up your ass is what Danes call Swedish. I've heard about a new trend in Sweden where you would have immigrants doing it to you 😘
Degofhas what? If someone could take 10 seconds to compare Swedish and Danish, you would be able to hear the alphabet in Swedish words. Meanwhile, Danish, sounds literally like someone has a BBC down their throat. You can never sort out the words. Its like talking whilst being strangled. Danes, the littlebrothers. Also funny when they dont think they have a MAJOR problem with immigrants. So bad they banned the burqa. Not that I care about the burqa.
@@pyromaan8799 I'm quarter Danish, quarter Swedish, half Finnish and a third Mexican. From my uncle's side. So whilst I enjoy talking whilst getting a broom shoved up my ass, I also enjoy a BBC down my throat. And Enchiladas with guacamole. Life is about choices.
What about the radio and tv stations that play it? Kids will buy garbage as long as its in a cool package. These 'artists' are too young and high to make good descions. The managers and promoters are the ones behind mumble rap. There's still good stuff out there, it just doesn't get promoted.
Damn, he just thru out respect to Minor Threat???? Vinnie your ears are wide open. Super OG. Hell yea. You, Necro and Ill Bill are straight killing it. Much love.
Rakim basically made the 18th letter in the image of new school style and crushed it. He got it. The 90s were still considered the golden era. I WOULD DARE SAY THAT Rakim would listen to Ludacris and Nelly. This mumble rap shit is on another level of stupid.
Luda was a great rapper who had lyrics but he had a lot of party anthems so people lump him with the rapper who dont care about the craft. Nelly wasnt a great lyricist & didnt have skill as an MC at all but his melodies were really good & he crafted great songs that had structure in it even though he was nothing more than a pop rapper, Hot in Here & Coutry Grammy are more organic records that have structure in it compared to a repetitive Gucci Gang song like Lil Pump that sounds obnoxious
I know that happens where the old generation calls the new generations musi c garbage because they don't understand it. Like adults in the 60s thought the beetles were garbage. But they were actually really musically talented. Same with the 70s. Led Zeppelin and pink Floyd. Considered rock and roll garbage buy adults but actually really good. I think mumble rap is its own special case where for once the old generation is actually right and it's garbage.
-Right?!?! yeah the older generations feelt like music in the 60's 70's etc was shit, but lets be honest here, they can sing, they can play thier instruments, they litterly create real music and real lyrics, they actually proforme!.... repeating one word is not hard.
@@Markpichot I'm 19 and completely agree with rampage. What the hell happened to well written lyrics, and people writing songs with meaning rather than whatever will earn the most money.
@@Markpichot I don't hate all pop music. I love Michael Jackson for instance but fuckin despise Nicki Minaj and and any other whore or man slut up on stage dancin around in next to no clothes singin the same few words over and over again while also writing songs that all sound the same.
How many real MCs are out here talking about listening to Slayer, Black Flag, and Minor Threat? Love to Army of the Pharaohs and Jedi Mind. Keep going Vin Laden.
Theres alot ruby from suicide boys is a big punk rocker hes the only reason i got into em then they blew up and started charging 500 a ticket touring with post malone though. Pretty lame.
Did I just hear Joe Rogan mention Gang Starr ? Legendary music I implore you to do your research if you haven't heard of them & are interested in what pure Hip Hop sounds & feels like
@@xander5993 and I hate people like you who think it's ok to teach our future children that this fuck boy culture is ok. Idk where you live but I live in the hood and most people around here have a low iq, live off of ssi, haven't graduated past 9th grade, have kids real young, no father figure around, lean and pills and this mumble rap shit is their every day go to in their lives. This shit was cute in the beginning but now I'm watching a full generation with no substance and no capability of being about to think for themselves.
victor griffith Agreed. Many kids grow up without a authoritative figure in their lives. Someone capable to look up too, so they find solace in music which is fine. But when all you listen too, is poppin pills, smoking and fuking bitches in mumble rap, that message resonates with an entire generation. Its lazy rap and a poor excuse to make easy money.
Jus Allah fell off HARD.. he use to be sooo good.. and turned into garbage age somewhere between getting kicked from JMT and AOTP and his arrival back on the teams.. he went from being a lyricist to just some guy rhyming words.
Yes its drug culutre its not about the lyrics as much as the melody and the feeling and far as the phrase thing you repeatedly chant the same thing to make it stick
@@copheart personal opion i grew up on og hip hop but i still like a lot of what ppl call mumble rap i consider it alternative rap some is real ghetto trap shit and some will put you in a trance and some if you were tonread the lyrics its got bars its like nirvana all great songs and lyrics but he distorted words on purpose because its about the music and the feeling it gives you
So if I understand how you are explaining it then all it is is trance or trap with someone mumbling over the beat? All trance music was the same chorus over and over to a beat. I can see why kids and young adults like it because it is different. Listening back to No Limit Soliders and shit like that that we thought was the shit 20 years ago is absolutely terrible now but our parents and adults didnt like or get it so we thought it was amazing LMAO
@@SetNtrenz right and shit if no limit aint mumble rap with juveniles Ha then idk whit is but i wouldng call it shit now those is classics still bagin C murder 2018
Vinnie paz one of the most underrated hip hop artists of all time
Underrated fucking comment
no
don eladio is a dope song
And Stoop and Hologram
He's dope. The whole crew is
Oh my God I got a newfound respect for Joe Rogan, that he knows who Vinnie Paz is at all and has him on his show, that's dope.
voteZDLR Joes posted shit on Twitter about AOTP when he working out
The Rock is a fan too
Same here. Plus him listing the rap he listens to. He could DJ and I'd go to that party
Hell yeah
Sure, it's a miracle that a podcast interviewer on his 1174th episode would know who a celebrity he has as a guest is.
He also has an interview with Immortal Tech
Is it just me or does Vinnie Paz look like Patton Oswald if he gree up in a rough neighborhood?
They both sexy :)
Have you ever seen them in the same place.
Vinnie Patt
Joseph Alexander 😂
People been saying they look alike for years !
Vinnie Paz is such a legend.
We are blessed to have him🙌
Respect to vinnie for his measured and respectful responses. He never says anything negative about another culture, he just focuses on the positives or says simply "i'm detached form that".
I like Vinnie Paz’s music, but if you listened to more than 2 songs, you would know that’s not true
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Imagine a generation down the line when the old mumble rappers throw shade at whatever abomination spawns next in hip hop lol.
Jay Baker grunt rap
Downs rap
@@humphreysmiggens3881 already been done with master pee and DMX
This is exactly what has been happening for generations lmfao and will continue 2
Hardcore emo metal rap with substance lyrically
Damn, hearing Joe Rogan mentioning GangStar is crazy
RIP Guru
he use to bring them up quite a bit on his old podcasts before #200
Are you working? What kind of work do you do?
Guru was from Boston Roxbury to be exact
R.i.p Legend
Mass appeal
FULL CLIP DO U WANNA MESS WIT THIS!!!
AOTP hands down one the hardest hip hop groups in history.
IN
HISTORY
Yeah each member solo shit stand on its own just like wu members. Its a true supergroup
Prefer Jedi Mind Tricks
@@rosswhitehill3207 both have same features. Its like a puzzle piece. Curtain rappers are good at curtain pieces where you need some raw raps and they may need to fill a coris spot. Vinnie started both but if you like one you have to atleast like a few songs from the other.
Big facts...esoteric,apathy,straight heat 🔥
I never forgot about gang starr
i put in work and watch my status escalate
Above the Clouds RIP
R I P GURU
Where the sounds are original. Infinite styles create miracles.
What I'm here 4 is a beautiful song
Thanks for having V Paz on dude, The underground is where Hip Hop lives as a fan of Hip Hop since I'm 8 and I'm 42. Vin's type music is perfect for me.
You a fuckin og hip hop head. Big upps to you fam. Thank you for keeping it solid. Since 8, to 42, thats a statement fam. Be you and stay blessed
Exactly, it's good to have Vinnie P on because underground Hip Hop is where it's truly at, none of this soundcloud mumble rap shit.
Anthony Arcanum Sanctum Regnum you and I are on the same page. I’m 43 and also been listening to Hip Hop since I was 8. Been a big fan ever since. I love Jedi Mind Tricks and a lot of East Coast hip-hop. Perfect type of music for me as well. Congrats on keeping it real for this long.
I feel u...I'm 41 beat listening to hip hop since 12_13...real east coast hip hop
Same here man I just started listening to him 5 months ago I bought 2 of vinnys albums I really liked the army of pharaohs and then I learned about Celph titled and bought one of his albums now I listen to it daily
We need an interview with R.A the Rugged man ... shit would be crazy
@Jeremy Backman on a serious note icp are very educated in music and what they do in life. Itd be an amazing interview
Icp are genius. Been a juggalo a long time and they are smart business men. They literally have their own culture and helped make horrorcore mainstream and a successful genre of music.
God damn right
@Jeremy Backman Now that interview i would interested in seeing . As much as people wanna hate on them they tapped into a market that most wouldn't have even thought about and made a career out of it .Been a die hard ICP fan for years and they have earned the respect of a lot of die hard fans . They haven't done much lately but still legends in my book .
@Jeremy Backman Wouldn't mind seeing that interview myself . they're now considered legends in the hip hop community which is kinda funny cause in the beginning hip hop wouldn't even acknowledge them but they did carve out a niche that worked and tapped into a fanbase that few would . Been a die hard fan for yrs. and respect to them .
Homie looks like a gangster version of Patton Oswalt🤣
😂😂😂 Spot On bruh, you win today!
Omg he does lol why you gotta cap on Pistol Pazzi
@Matt Tinkelman you know Vinnie Paz?
YOOOOOO! :) That is fucking funn-EEE!
😆
Gangstarr will never be forgotten!! Rip GURU..
Benjamin Jeanes it will be because of the mumble bs
@@chroniclife420isaac4 nah. As long as my white ass is on this earth, Gang Starr will never be forgotten.
I'm a white guy from Utah that his shit was the realest hip hop I've ever heard!! May he rest in peace up in the clouds were his sounds are original👌
@@tym5583 lyrical sounds create miracles, niiiccee!!!!
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4
No mumble rap is lazy garbage. The producer should get more credit than the rapper
No,*/No.*
Says a producer of a shit rapper
That's your opinion. But you're right the producers do deserve a little more credit.
Actually the producer should get slapped for making the same beat over and over
Lil Pump but no one's gonna listen to Gucci Gang with no beat. Gotta have both.
The opioid, Xanax, and lean epidemic in todays youth is the breading ground for mumble rap. You ever listen to a heroin addict, a xan head, or someone on lean talk? Ye it sounds exactly like these rappers. You can't understand a single word they are saying.
Have you heard Joyner Lucas version of Panda? Good listen hahahah
Spot on, it’s based on the drugs they take, Xanax sounds like mumble rap
Lot's of drugs make you talk like that.
I know
I find it hilarious that a lot of kids talk about "lean" as if it's their thing, like we weren't fuckin around with it 10 years ago in high school lol A serious lack of self awareness in today's youth
“I’m not worried about a bad movie I’d rather go watch a dope movie”
Best quote
Lol you must be banged up.
Vinnie is one of the best MCs of all time!
For sure
KAAN is personal my Top mc but vinnie def top 5
I play Daily
@Tinkleboy You haven't a clue who KAAN is clearly. You thinki Vinnie goes around killing people? Yeah that's what i thought. Fan Boy? Your names not Vinnie Paz. Dumb
@Matt Tinkelman Say what you will, but what Vinnie did in the early 90's with JMT is kind of legendary, and he is a pioneer of independent underground hip hop. One of the first groups to blow without a major label to back them, and he put on many talented people over the years.
@Matt Tinkelman You can look at it that way i suppose, or you can see it for what it is. The way I see it is Vin was smarter than the few that hate him now. Vinnie managed tours, albums, production, ect. With so many hands out it's hard to please everyone for a long period of time. Guys like King Mag, Dez, Doap, ect still acting like goons into their 40's. Vinnie is not going to let others ruin what he built. I actually have some deep insight into that scene being friends with Esoteric, and know quite a bit of behind the scenes with the recent beefs. The truth is the vast majority of his peers highly respect him, and treat him like a blood brother for a reason. You see it all the time in life with people who only care for themselves, they will act like they love you until you cannot give to them anymore, and then it turns to hate instead of appreciation for what was done. The "using" was coming from the other end.
@Matt Tinkelman You right about some of his unoriginality for sure. He has been known to use things he did not create on more than one occasion, and that is what most of the beef is over. There were lots of handshake agreements that got turned on for both sides, from album art, to verses on albums, tour dates, features, and more. I can also agree it's mostly gimmick with any of the horrorcore shit he creates, but let's be honest only probably 5% of any rappers live the lyrics throughout time when it comes to gangster shit right up to the biggest names. I am much more of a fan of his heartfelt songs over the AOTP stuff or bangers on his recent solo albums that is all gimmick. I cannot argue that point, but from what I hear his heart has always been in the right place, and never set out to rise himself over others. I only met him once, and def do not know him on a personal level what so ever, but from all the stories I have heard over the years about him from working the Boston club scene as security he's not a bad person.
holy shit how is vinnie paz on rogans podcast?? so crazy man. im a huge underground hip hop fan and paz is one of my faves. so cool for rogan to have him on. love it.
LEE BRANDON . Wow. I was surprised to see him on Joes podcast too. Vinnie's the man. So underrated. Would love to see Apathy on this show one day too.
Right? I'm blown away rn. Should see the look I get when I call Jus Allah one of the top 5 rappers of all time. Vinnie is right up there.
Yep same reaction here. Fucking love Vinnie. Gotta watch that episode
Ik man. It’s like the coolest thing. And I’m a huge army of the pharaohs/Jedi mind tricks fan. So...this is just fantastic
LEE BRANDON it’s not underground, it’s overground
Never did I think I'd see Vinnie Paz on the Joe Rogan Experience ... Bless!
Ricardo Cortez de la Cruz II right? Was just thinking the same thing
Dude has always been this insightful. From the start. One of the most intellectually engaged minds in the game.
OH SHIT JOE HAS VINNIE ON!? Hell yeah! wow :)
who is vinnie?
your pic doesn't look like you listen to rap, this is not Vinnie from Forbes
Vinnie Paz- End of days, your welcome m.ua-cam.com/video/2frJ3e0hxPE/v-deo.html
Right??? That was exactly my reaction as well
JMT
Vinnie P and Joe? Wow never in my wildest dreams.
Gimme roe jogan back. But yeah door interview.
I just went to a Jedi mind tricks concert a week ago in Philly. Never in a million years would I have guessed Vinnie P would be on a podcast with joe lol
@@EquiNoxM lol tf
The one and only Pazmanian Devil.
Hail Jedi Mind Tricks
Yesssiir. Ill be picking up that album today
Box cutter!
LuisTheSteel Gonzalez i couldn’t believe he was on jre box cutter paszzy!!!!!
Go stillers
Vinnie Paz diplomatically expressed his distaste for, what i view, as an absolutely idiotic genre.
I mean he said he doesn’t mind it, you hear whatever you want to listen to
absolutely idiotic generation* Fixed that for you.
@@dadon6055 you sound really young and cool
@@benbillings3237 there is no such thing as young and cool anymore only young lazy rude self entitled narcissistic and dumb.
@@dadon6055 and you're the judge and jury of that huh
IMO mumble rap is just a phase of hip hop just like crunk rap was. Mumble rap recently just began and it’s already played out and it’ll be gone soon. No matter what phase hip hop is in the mcs that have skill will always be around and will always have the top spot.
Peter Ortiz I'm an mc thank you 🙏
Peter Ortiz I think mumble rap is only popular because it’s usually a good beat but shitty rap that knows how to match the flow
Rapper*
Unfortunately "Mumble Rap" isn't going anywhere. It started in 2011-2012 and its almost 2020 in a couple of years. You fail to realize that Hip-Hop is still a "Young Mans Sport". It's reflective of the youth & generation. No matter how degenerative or dysfunctional it is. Many of the new wave of rapper cite these rappers as their influence:
1)Chief Keef (Keep in mind he's still only 21-22)
2)Gucci Mane
3)Lil' B
4)Lil' Wayne
5)Waka Flocka Flame
Note: Honorable Mention - Soulja Boy
Now take the names I mentioned. And the music of the "new wave" which influences the culture of today. The next wave of rappers will be just as bad or worst than the current generation of rappers. You will see a new wave of "Lil' Pumps, 6ix9ines, and Xxxtentacions" in the next ten years. It's best to find another genre or literally find artist who still have substance, if you still can find any after 2020.
No future been doing it for almost a decade
Vinnie Paz is THE man! Intelligent, well spoken, great lyricist, diverse musical taste... The WHOLE package. Interesting career, interesting artist. Much respect!
This man has more integrity then 90% of all hip hop artists
4:34
So he's like asking her about a jacuzzi and she thinks he's ordering a pizza"
LOL
Jedi mind tricks!
@Matt Tinkelman the fuck is you taking about bitch boy
@Matt Tinkelman you replied so fast LOL imagine battyman
Jedi Mind, heavenly divine
@Matt Tinkelman why? What's his deal?
Matt Tinkelman damn bro what Vinnie do to you piss in your cereal ?
“They might just slobber in a corner”😂😂😂😂
Right? LMAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Art reflects society
Can’t say that any clearer brother.
Popular art reflects successful marketing campaigns of the past.
Tim Spencer “art”
Or does society reflect art?
And society is clearly confused lol
I'm 21 seconds in and already reminded of why I love Paz. I got plenty of disagreements over his lyrical content but damn the man is astute and genuine.
End of Days is silly garbage. Paz doesn't really have a coherent political vision so one song will be a really tremendous and factual summary of a Howard Zinn book and the next will be complete nonsense about how Al Qaeda and the Saudi Wahabists are freedom fighters. He's still a weapons grade MC and a charming guy.
facts
Holy shit. Never thought I'd see Vinnie on jre.
He’s going down as one of the greatest MCs to walk the earth along with immortal technique, rugged man, pretty much all of AOTP, outer space, Reel wolf and of course Jedi mind, also ill bill! We are privileged to grow up in this gen with all these stars!!!
you think immortal technique is one of the greatest MCs to walk the earth? you need yo ass beat
Immortal technique is a leftwing communist clown.
Reel wolf ain't a group nor an artist .... All of AOTP?? Lol do you even know all the members? And which aotp because there was many versions of it. Lol. But I get what you're saying.
The 5 elements of this generation's hiphop: mumble rapping, auto-tune, face tats, poppin' molly, have "Lil ..." in your name
Nailed it
55 year old guitar player here . My name is Skinny . About to change it to Lil' Skins . cuz i needs the Benji-doodles
Tom P. 💯👏👏👏👍
bahaha you hit the painted nail on the head lolol
Sad but true.
Vinnie Paz is a legend far as I'm concerned, I can't stand these modern mumble rapping drugged out hipsters in skinny jeans bro, I grew up in the 90's/2000's on baggy jeans big t-shirts an good rap and rock
Lmaoo
there was an interview where vinnie said he fucks with migos, gucci, future, chief keef
Yeahh u just old bro lol no one calls em hipsters, no one calls it mumble rap, no one's rocking skinny jeans anymore 😂 you like what u grew up with and that's coo but let the kids have what they like. Vinnie loves plenty of drug talk as long as it's done with skill and originality & that's what chief keef and future n some of the new (well, new compared to vinnie lol) cats do.
I'm laughing so hard. We're officially old. GET OFF MY LAWN!!
Old is in your mind, you dont have to be "old" to know this shit is garbage.
Exactly nick, I'd rather listen to 90's hip hop and I'm young. The old stuff is better
Bobby Digital wow what a special snowflake
@@ShaithMaster Very true, Nick.
@@ShaithMaster you're a great guy, Nick
I honestly dont care for Mumble Rap, I like rap with lyrics and bars that make me go OH DAMN that was fire like Old Tupac and Biggie Smalls, and honestly if they are mumble rapping over a good beat I always just look up an instrumental of that beat cause the mumbling takes away from the track to me tbh.
Yeah, a good rap beat stands alone. Words can often ruin it if the person isn't talented enough to work with the beat.
It used to be poetry. Then it was a battle, east vs west. Then it was getting played on Pop radio for recogination, and now its social media
@oddun absolutely, I'm God is an incredible instrumental. With the MC it's unlistenable.
JaxBlade way to tell it like is brother.
Couldn’t of said it better
You wanna party listen to mumble rap, you wanna open your mind listen to Paz.
For those saying that 6ix9ine is not a mumble rapper, you're right, he's an opera singer
PFFFFFTTTT HAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
Razvan Radu hes not a mumble rapper you have to mumble to be a mumble rapper
He’s not a mumble rapper... He’s riding on the previous successes of cats like Lil Jon and Bone Crusher. His style is more akin to that dirty south crunk music people were bumpin in the 2000’s.... Though he has been getting more quiet with his delivery lately
now that hes blown up
Charlie To0 Human exactly
Tekashi is much more than that, he’s a Top Tier striker for Mexico’s International team, while goal keeping for Barcelona.
Step aside Ter Stegen, there’s a new guero in town.
lil joe
Young rogan
Ol' Jeezy
Biggie J-Ro
Yung Rogan
JRE 420 guicc gang
We grew up on drug dealer music. These kids grew up on drug attic music.
Drug attic
Drug basement
You spelt addict wrong
lol bitch you should have grown up in school. dumb fuck.
I wish I had a drug attic
Well put
Love how Vinny Paz always reps proper metal.
He has an extensive metal and hardcore background
Much love to you Vinnie. You are looking healthy and mentally strong. Good work brother.
I’ve been listening to Vinnie for about 9 years and I’m 21. He and the rest of AOTP and Jedi Mind Tricks helped shape my childhood/life.
kewl dude
Straight up. Too underated
same here
I'm very sorry to hear that
Same here been listening for around 10 years. I'm 24. You should check out the 90's and 80's man. Big daddy Kane ,Rakim , KRS one. Pete Rock n CL smooth. You'd be surprised how fucken good the golden eras were man.
Wack music ha always been a thing. You just look back and remember the greats. But we’ve always had rich famous terrible musicians in every genre since the beginning of time. They just don’t get talked about much now since the shitty one’s stayed irrelevant over the test of time. But if you go back to refresh your memory we’ve always had bad music promoted to the top. Let’s be real.
Not like this, bro.
Diffrince being back in the days people actually needed to have some kind of talents, either able to play an instrument or atleast sing.
''Terrible'' isint the same because you dont like it, this is terrible, because its talentless shit spewing of no words.
Hey you might not like an old psychadelic group from the 60's and maybe you find it shit, but atleast they had the talent to play and sing for themselves.
Agree with you on that. I think the biggest difference is wack shit got no love back in the day. Now wack shit is the biggest thing out. The crazy part to me is a lot of these mumble rappers can actually rap if they wanted to. An example I was given by killer mike is future. He told me and my people one time having this same discussion that future was a rappers rapper. Straight spitter but he never went anywhere with it. Started the auto tune lean shit and blew up 🤷🏻♂️. So who the hell knows.
Part of the problem is record labels. Part ot the problem is radio stations. Part of the problem is lack of culture. Part of the problem is lack of originality. Hip hop wasn't always meant to be "cool" hip hop was meant to spread a message. Meant to educate in a different way in which most people can relate with. Radio staions and governments doesn't want rappers speaking truth and wisdom. They don't want the youth growing up with knowledge. They want sheep.
True but back then they weren’t held to high standards like they are now! Like I don’t remember people saying yo young mc is dope as fuck or vanilla ice is sick, now I have young kids looking at me like I’m crazy for NOT thinking young thug or lil uzi is dope!
Jedi Mind Tricks created some of the best rap ever. Vinnie looks and sounds like a Pirate and if he created Pirate rap it would probably still be A+ music. Vinnie looks good here, I remember around 2011 - 2012 he was boozing pretty heavy and looking sick. I wonder if he got sober.
Alestrom fit a pirate niche, not rap though
MY BLOODY MATEY 🏴☠️
"I'm not worried about a bad movie...." saluuut
Yo, Joe knows about Gang Starr - instantly got cooler
fuckin surprised he knew vinnie
Sud It's been damn 4-6 years in the making. Joe had immortal technique on the podcast back in day also! check it out. cheers buddy
Hes from Boston
Nas is his favorite MC, so no doubt he knew Guru
Omg, dont get me goin on 90s rap. Ill lose my cap!
When did Patton Oswalt get so gangsta?
Dam that's harsh lol u just roasted him
Damn, beat me to the Patton Oswalt joke. Respect.
hahah for real you won the fuckin internet
Hahahaha points!
I can't unsee this hahaha
This was a phenomenal interview with one of the best MC’s of all time without a doubt. I just wish that Vinnie was a little less humble and that Joe delved deeper into the seriousness of his lyrics and extracted some insight on the super raw and undeniably violent shit that he spits. Would have been great to get an inside look on where that comes from. I’ve seen Paz perform in person twice and I’m not exaggerating when I say that this mans presence changes the temperature of the room... dude is no joke
I agree. This interview was way too tame. Vinny seemed to have humbled himself for what ever reason. It came across as though he reserved himself.
Yeah, I think Rogan was trying to keep it aggreeable.
The wack music back in the day was usually recognized as silliness even during it's time and made fun of, aside from a few one hit wonders. Never was the wack music all that was played on the radio, all that was talked about in the music press and all that won any awards. Never was the only good music underground or indie. This is definitely a new phenomenon, primarily brought on by the fact that 20 somethings don't buy albums, in fact no one buys albums. It's all streaming ad revenue, and who has the time to stream constantly? 11-16 year olds using their parents' internet subscription. This is why modern music is geared toward children with underdeveloped frontal lobes as opposed to the 18-34 demographic like it always had been in the past.
Nick Coltrane amen
Anthony Salerno he’s fucking right though.
Milly vinilly or someshit
@Anthony Salerno Sorry my friend, but you are lauding ignorance.
Joe Rogan just earned 10 cool points in my book with the Gangstarr shout out
Drainitallday yeah very forgotten . remember listening to gangstarr in 2005
10 cool points from me too. Joe knows hiphop. Still to this day I think "moment of truth" is one of the best hiphop albums ever made. RIP Guru. And Dj Premier is STILL making classic tunes. It's amazing.
Drainitallday or just having Paz on. Wuuut
facts
Them cool points are hard to earn.
Vinnie and ill bill and necro best rappers ...super articulate.
I hope vinnie pazz get SOOOOO many new followers from being on the JRE.. Vinnie pazz is one of the greatest rappers of all time. He doesnt get the spotlight he deserves.
Not even bein bias cuz im from philly to but Vinnie is the most underrated rapper hes one of the best of all time and the money NEVER got to him
BeanDaddy DoggRatt Ive liked vinnie for years but he def hasn’t seen real rapper money
Jonny Aufiero well there is the argument of what real rapper money is but I do know what mean and I totally agree
Black thought though?
prive naam of coarse all day
@@jonnyaufiero4622 Vins worth a couple mil man. Might not seem like it but hes got his hands on JMT (obviously), AOTP, HMK, and more. Matter of fact his next solo album drops tomorrow, dudes a workaholic lol always on tour
Vinnie Paz is yet another reason I'm proud to call Philadelphia home...
Where u from in philly
Great, now my old ass has to google "mumble rap"
Mike BEWB haha was just about to do the same thing 👍🏾
Same
Ignorance is bliss.
Never hearing that mumble rap horse shit again is bliss
😂😂
Compromise is one thing. Compromising yourself is a completely different thing.
Vinnie Paz > all mumble rappers
lol no
Fact
@@madisonbailey2564 say what?
Matt Tinkelman not even close
Madison Bailey yes
Jedi mind tricks. The youth will never know. Hiphop is a form of lyricism with elements of breakdancing, mc, graffiti and Dj’s.
Emcceein, Deejayin, Breakin, Writin
Hip Hop is a culture, not a form of anything.
Im 20 and have known about them since I was 15
everything evolves, nothing stay the same, you got to adapt to survive, not different for music, food, clothing, etc etc
calibomber209 in avatar they for got the last bender ... the word bender ... amble to bend bars and rhymes to his will.
Man i cant believe you got vinnie paz there!! Salute rogan you killed it with this one!! Vinnie a legent!!
I love how level-headed he is about it. So many people talking shit about mumble rap in the comments, but it is what it is. Even Vinnie can see it's just the new wave for this next generation of kids. Don't worry about what they're doing and support the music you DO love
It's def a generational thing and i'm glad he acknowledges that. you get older and you don't like the same shit anymore. or the new shit doesn't appeal to you because you're not 20 anymore. it's ok to get old gracefully and not try to feebly cling to your youth and not really understand what the kids are into anymore
I would so love to see him podcast with Nardwuar
Jedi Mind Tricks!!!! Paz one of the best ever!
If you can’t understand the moral dilemma posed by Lil Pump in his hit song “Gucci Gang” then you clearly aren’t an intellectual and most definitely do not watch Rick and Morty.
NOxHESITATION Rick and Morty is lame, I wish that show was never made, it took ATHF timeslot and that’s got me heated.
Rick n morty is way better than athf. It’s for the old heads who understands the jokes I guess
My walkout music for my fights is “Canaan’s Bracelet” by Vinnie.
Blood on my hands for me...
"Its a body!!"
Bloody tears for me
"I don't see why most of ya'll wanna be thugs anyhow, pay the consequence." - Gang Starr. One of the best MCs to ever do it
WU tang is for da children
What does that have to do with what's happening here? Wu isn't even mentioned
If they were they would be broke.
@@ericthorpe5670 they should be
@@MB-sl3hx not arguing that
All 150 of them.
Joe brought up Gang Starr at the end, hell yeah
Pete Rock and CL Smooth another great duo
Jedi Mind , Vinnie is one of the best artists I have ever seen live!
cant believe you know vinnie paz
Pffft more like i can't believe vinnie knows rogan.
Gotta play muh Quake while listening to some Nas and eating a bit of Elk. It's healthy you know.
Kiei Luahi idk, the quake 2 soundtrack is so badass, that it needs no substitute
hes so mediocre 🤣
*cracks can* pssst *sips* oh yeah quake was a good game
dont forget asparagus, running hills, his dog marshall, bows n shit
Sounds like a good time to me.
Joe Rogan should try and get Eminem on here
He’s the king of the underground! The Goat and helped raise me!
Notice Vinnie rarely if ever talks about himself. Yet imo is one of the most phenomenal MC's of his era. Maybe even the most underated along with RA. Interview is refreshing and reinforces exactly why I like Vinnie and Jedi Mind Tricks. Talented and humble dude, who has many personal issues, but has the inner strength to overcome them and perform for us. Maybe an interview with Rugged Man in the future Mr. Rogan? 🤞
Vinnie paz is awesome
slayer, black flag, minor threat....now that's my line-up!
Fuck yeah! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
egg zak lee!
Generic
"I listen to Nas" foreal Joe, I miss the days of True MC's not these new age trash "rapper's" ... I still just listen to old shit Nas, Big L, Big pun, Wutang, the lox, ect...
Check out the palmer squares. Specifically Accs first verse on Stay Stupid. Highly reccomend
Wutag
Dawg there’s still better lyricists out there than all the guys you mentioned besides pun maybe. Check out Joey badass, earl sweatshirt, Kendrick, jid, Bishop Nehru, Mach hommy
Aiden Wood
Yeah today’s rappers have better lyrics and wordplay than nas
Bold statement that pal 🤦♂️
michael clarkin I didn’t say that, I said there ARE rappers who have that skill and beyond. Not all modern rappers are better. If you have twist my words that far to come up with a response, which was still shit, why even say anything fam?
Mumble rap is what Swedes call Danish rap.
Talking while repeatedly a getting broom rammed up your ass is what Danes call Swedish. I've heard about a new trend in Sweden where you would have immigrants doing it to you 😘
Degofhas lol someone took the bait
Degofhas what? If someone could take 10 seconds to compare Swedish and Danish, you would be able to hear the alphabet in Swedish words.
Meanwhile, Danish, sounds literally like someone has a BBC down their throat. You can never sort out the words. Its like talking whilst being strangled.
Danes, the littlebrothers. Also funny when they dont think they have a MAJOR problem with immigrants. So bad they banned the burqa. Not that I care about the burqa.
Nä det gör vi inte. Sluta ljug.
@@pyromaan8799 I'm quarter Danish, quarter Swedish, half Finnish and a third Mexican. From my uncle's side. So whilst I enjoy talking whilst getting a broom shoved up my ass, I also enjoy a BBC down my throat. And Enchiladas with guacamole. Life is about choices.
the problem with mumble rap is not necessarily the ''guy'' that does it... but the people listening to it... just WTF....
So fucking true
They both suck....... wtf you talking about wank stain
Some people put that trap mumble rap bullshit at a party I had at my place and I kicked them out lol I didn’t know them either 😂
What about the radio and tv stations that play it? Kids will buy garbage as long as its in a cool package. These 'artists' are too young and high to make good descions. The managers and promoters are the ones behind mumble rap. There's still good stuff out there, it just doesn't get promoted.
THANK YOU YO !!
Boxcutter Pazzy!
Louie Fuckin Doggs
Come be with me baby
It piss
Damn, he just thru out respect to Minor Threat???? Vinnie your ears are wide open. Super OG. Hell yea. You, Necro and Ill Bill are straight killing it. Much love.
Dear Joe, I think I speak for everyone when I say this:-
*No one gets mumble rap*
You clearly don’t speak for everyone
Y'all just sound like old people talking about what the kids are doing. 10 years from now, people will complain about something new
I believe we understand it lol it's nothing that requires any amount of complexity to define it's just simply TRASH
Vinnie is crazy insightful. Love the knowledge
Rakim basically made the 18th letter in the image of new school style and crushed it. He got it. The 90s were still considered the golden era. I WOULD DARE SAY THAT Rakim would listen to Ludacris and Nelly. This mumble rap shit is on another level of stupid.
Wild American west side is de best
Luda was a great rapper who had lyrics but he had a lot of party anthems so people lump him with the rapper who dont care about the craft. Nelly wasnt a great lyricist & didnt have skill as an MC at all but his melodies were really good & he crafted great songs that had structure in it even though he was nothing more than a pop rapper, Hot in Here & Coutry Grammy are more organic records that have structure in it compared to a repetitive Gucci Gang song like Lil Pump that sounds obnoxious
Respect but I can't see Rakim listening to Nelly. If I'm wrong then I don't wanna be right. Lol
That grime and grunge of his voice transfers really well to his music. Haven’t listened to a ton of his tunes but what I’ve heard goes pretty hard.
Damn Joe interviewing my mans Pazienza! I didn’t think he would ever interview someone like Paz, maybe he listens to him.
Public Enemy had something to say... Mumble rappers mumble cause they don't have ish to say.
*mumblewhatyameanmumble*
I know that happens where the old generation calls the new generations musi c garbage because they don't understand it. Like adults in the 60s thought the beetles were garbage. But they were actually really musically talented. Same with the 70s. Led Zeppelin and pink Floyd. Considered rock and roll garbage buy adults but actually really good. I think mumble rap is its own special case where for once the old generation is actually right and it's garbage.
-Right?!?! yeah the older generations feelt like music in the 60's 70's etc was shit, but lets be honest here, they can sing, they can play thier instruments, they litterly create real music and real lyrics, they actually proforme!.... repeating one word is not hard.
@@Danovio that's if they are even 'singing' that one word, and not just lip syncing.
m p you mean ..you're
@@Markpichot I'm 19 and completely agree with rampage. What the hell happened to well written lyrics, and people writing songs with meaning rather than whatever will earn the most money.
@@Markpichot I don't hate all pop music. I love Michael Jackson for instance but fuckin despise Nicki Minaj and and any other whore or man slut up on stage dancin around in next to no clothes singin the same few words over and over again while also writing songs that all sound the same.
How many real MCs are out here talking about listening to Slayer, Black Flag, and Minor Threat? Love to Army of the Pharaohs and Jedi Mind. Keep going Vin Laden.
Theres alot ruby from suicide boys is a big punk rocker hes the only reason i got into em then they blew up and started charging 500 a ticket touring with post malone though. Pretty lame.
@@savagendn961 they start doing that b.s. I've tried to listen to Post Malone and I've never heard anything I like.
Can you bring immortal technique and Mr K rino to this show please Joe
Immortal tech has been on a couple times
I would give anything to see K rino on Joe Rogen show.
"He's asking about the jacuzzi & she thinks he's ordering a pizza" 🤣
shit is so real 😂
Did I just hear Joe Rogan mention Gang Starr ? Legendary music I implore you to do your research if you haven't heard of them & are interested in what pure Hip Hop sounds & feels like
amen!
Guru and preemo!
Gang Starrr baattle!!
one of my fav duos of all time i miss guru
But in the end, it's still Guru and Premier.
Vinny is a real Mc!Real HipHop!!!🔥👍
I'm glad Em put all this mumble shit on blast. Now its under a magnifying glass and more people are taking notice of how shit modern rap has become.
A whole bunch of us should rap so we can out number the mumble rappers
I hate people like you...rap has diffrent avenues. Mumble rap is just one section of the rap genre.
@@xander5993 and I hate people like you who think it's ok to teach our future children that this fuck boy culture is ok. Idk where you live but I live in the hood and most people around here have a low iq, live off of ssi, haven't graduated past 9th grade, have kids real young, no father figure around, lean and pills and this mumble rap shit is their every day go to in their lives. This shit was cute in the beginning but now I'm watching a full generation with no substance and no capability of being about to think for themselves.
victor griffith Agreed. Many kids grow up without a authoritative figure in their lives. Someone capable to look up too, so they find solace in music which is fine. But when all you listen too, is poppin pills, smoking and fuking bitches in mumble rap, that message resonates with an entire generation. Its lazy rap and a poor excuse to make easy money.
j Cole did it better
Jedi mind tricks ARMY OF THE PHARAOHS just AlhA
JUS ALLAH
Ikon the hologram
And of course you can't forget Ill Bill and Heavy Metal Kings!
Jus Allah fell off HARD.. he use to be sooo good.. and turned into garbage age somewhere between getting kicked from JMT and AOTP and his arrival back on the teams.. he went from being a lyricist to just some guy rhyming words.
Binary star!!
Yes its drug culutre its not about the lyrics as much as the melody and the feeling and far as the phrase thing you repeatedly chant the same thing to make it stick
It also sucks, don't forget that aspect of it. The suck part.
@@copheart personal opion i grew up on og hip hop but i still like a lot of what ppl call mumble rap i consider it alternative rap some is real ghetto trap shit and some will put you in a trance and some if you were tonread the lyrics its got bars its like nirvana all great songs and lyrics but he distorted words on purpose because its about the music and the feeling it gives you
So if I understand how you are explaining it then all it is is trance or trap with someone mumbling over the beat? All trance music was the same chorus over and over to a beat. I can see why kids and young adults like it because it is different. Listening back to No Limit Soliders and shit like that that we thought was the shit 20 years ago is absolutely terrible now but our parents and adults didnt like or get it so we thought it was amazing LMAO
What melody?
@@SetNtrenz right and shit if no limit aint mumble rap with juveniles Ha then idk whit is but i wouldng call it shit now those is classics still bagin C murder 2018
Holy shit joe..that last comment GANGSTAR..full clip my all time favorite hiphop/rap song
Too much comfort and decadence stifles creativity and makes stale and lifeless art.
K4SET lol I was watching a lot of philosophy videos before this one
@@Declan_Moriarty 😂😂
something u mite learn in life is that there r standards n boundaries in Life that keep the Quality in the Game .
@peter betts Exactly! That's the belief behind my comment.