No one is your friend, no one is your family, no one can be trusted, loose lips sink ships and women will drain your happiness and bank account. Keep it real kings.
The fact that it was a "colleague," not his own performance, that caused him to be investigated in the first place just further promoted to NOT TRUST ANYONE, even "colleagues."
I don't know what happened. In the past, you could work a job and, as long as you were doing work and not being a dick, no one would care. We joked around, played games, drunk after work, etc. but the work always got done. They certainly did not care what you did outside work hours. If management were to get involved, then employees would stick up for each other. No one ever complained to management unless they really had to. Now you can't trust anyone. People will throw you under the bus for the smallest things. You can't vent about poor working conditions or stupid management decisions to colleagues, as there is a good chance that would be fed back to HR. Big brother is always watching. The working world has truly become hell.
Tbh it's not the same thing. You are being paid by the employer therefore they set the conditions. Just like how you are the one that gets to set the conditions when you're paying someone for a service. Still, I'd definitely work 2 jobs in secret if I could haha
The hilarious/ridiculous part is that there is one camp that berates people for needing unemployment benefits and not being able to work, and then there is this camp that destroys you for working "too many" jobs. Not to mention the entire other camp that wants you to work, but it cannot be remote; it must be in-office....
The only time people have a problem with others working two jobs is when you make lots of money, IE two remote Software Engineering jobs at once. When you work two "essential worker" jobs just to stay in poverty and barely pay your bills suffering 14+ hours a day, suddenly everyone is fine with it. You can figure out why that is.
I’m a software engineer in Mexico and have worked two jobs for 5 years 🤣 both jobs know about the fact. But not at the same time. Main company rh told as long as is not in our working hours is good do with your time as you wish.
No. It is not the same. Which essential worker can work 2 jobs, can you tell me ? The answer is none. Only IT workers or people who can work remotely can get away with such dishonesty. This is wrong and should not be encouraged.
@@codegeek-il5fm this is not dishonesty as long as it's been made clear to the company hiring you. If you get 2 jobs and can't complete the workload for both, then that's another issue. I know of cases where a company hiring has had no issue with this. Just do your jobs and don't go against the interests of the companies you are working with.
@@codegeek-il5fm I was a cashier at a hardware store and delivering pizza at night hitting 70 hours a week for a good 4 or 5 months. I have my CS degree now though 😎
Government and corporations: you need to hustle and work hard. Employee: literally works 2 jobs to pay off debts. Government and corporations: no, not like that. We mean hustle and work hard for free. How dare you!
well..hustle and work hard for one employee, not hustle and work average and less than 8 hours. if you are capable of working 8 hours for one and then another 8 hours for the second one, ok, fair enough. otherwise, you're just underdelivering and working less than you're paid for.
@@robert8930 But in most of these examples, the employee is doing the same amount of work they would if they were working 8 hours. Just getting it done faster.
@@potatoman8763 if they are better than others at doing their job, they are most likely paid better than them. if you do 8 hours of work in 4, then you need to be given twice as much work. you are paid for your time. if you want to work 4 hours, go work 4 hours job. im sick of this mentality. you deliver faster, then deliver more. that is not an excuse to slack off or to work for another company on that time. right now, companies pay you for your time, not for your deliverables. if you work an 8hour job, you should do your job, at your current speed, for 8 hours. if you have an 8 hour task and you finish it in 4, grab another one. your pace is faster than others so you are paid more than them for delivering better and more than them, not to deliver the same amount but faster and then go slack off. im really 100% against this mentality of 'i finish in 4 so now i do nothing'. no mate, if you finish in 4 instead of 8, either you're bad at estimating stuff, or you do it on purpose. i just delivered 3 weeks worth of work in 2 days, and i go grab my next task. thats why im paid way more than my colleagues.
This guy's mistake was telling his co-worker he was working a second job. Clearly neither company had an issue with his performance. The level of control companies have over employees' lives is obscene.
@@MrDoomedtofail that is just some human nature, under communism there were still many people who were envious, stealing and greedy bastards who constantly told on each other (although to be fair, the kgb "investigation" because of your lying b*tch neighbour or colleague is worse than this), at least this was so in ussr, an yeah I'm from an ex-soviet country.
Could be that the coworker found out in another way. Either way, there is no reason to trust anyone at any job, it's literally a thing that we only do for money, not for "friendships". And after changing a few jobs, there is barely anyone I've kept in contact with, even though I was extremely social in each companies. It just doesn't matter so it's best to keep your personal life to yourself.
if a company is paying a wage or salary that is never going to afford a person the retirement they want even if they worked for 30 years, they should not be allowed to restrict a person to the number of income streams they generate, be it multiple jobs or other income. the companies have way more power than this guy. they were each paying the equivalent of $35k a year, assuming he saves over half of that, he might just barely squeak by for a mediocre retirement by 65. Why should he be punished for wanting to cut that time in half or double his money by retirement?
Retirement? Can’t even BUY A HOME after 30 years lol damn right I’m going to work more than one job. If they try and stop me I’ll get violent I swear I’ll fucking break their jaw for taking my income streams, a man has limits
@@AFuller2020 Ohh yeah gee no one ever though of that one! Yeah but "skilling up" takes time and money - and just because you "skilled up" doesn't mean you're automatically getting promoted/raised. Not a meritocracy. Also, I "skilled up" so I could make more - and now I can make more, doubled because 2 companies want my skills lol
the idea is, that the employer is not paying you for hours your don't work, so if you work for him 8am-6pm and then decide to work a side gig during the evening on YOUR OWN time, it should be your choice... if an employer want you to work only for them and not be able to do anything in your free time then they should pay you for the 3-4 hours after work. you are an employee not a slave, or it least that is how it should be - your time is blocked for the number of hours written in your contract for which you are getting paid for, what you do with the rest of your time is nobody's business.. of course big CEO don't like that type of attitude, regardless of most CEOs of medium to large companies holding multiple positions at the same time on different boards, an activity which for the C-level absurdly seem to look completely fine, so a CEO is "allowed" to received multiple millions in salaries and/or dividends from multiple companies at the same time, but you peasant should be fine about your single source of income and just do as you are told, meh
There are people who only work one job but "space out" or "stretch" their work over multiple days, when, in reality, it may only take them one working day. People do this because, at a lot of companies, there is little incentive to go above an beyond. If you're able to multitask successfully, then I say go for it. If you only want one job, then that's cool too. Also, don't forget that if you go off on your own to do consulting or contracting, then you will likely be doing work for multiple businesses during the week. If you're working two jobs that don't overlap, then that's even safer. I'm just so sick and tired of the mentality of companies where they feel like they own you. Yet, whenever there's a possible recession on the horizon (like right now), they have zero issue cutting headcount. I agree with Josh. Act like a mercenary or free agent, because you can bet your backside that these corporations will be cutting headcount at the nearest sign of a recession.
"I'm just so sick and tired of the mentality of companies where they feel like they own you." It's a power trip, it's a human innate trait once you are given too much power. The only mistake we as millennials and gen Z have to admit to, especially us millennials, is that we never saw actually how lazy boomers are and how much they gaslighted us. That was our mistake while boomers got away with calling everyone else lazy when they were actually the lazy ones.
This happens all the time. Companies get mad because it proves how little work actually gets done. They don't even notice. That's why we could have a 24 hour workweek and everything would be fine, its a double standard and dumb. I was allowed to work 84 hours a week for one company but its somehow immoral to work two 40 hour jobs? Bullocks.
At my job we used to have to sign a paper stating we didn't have a 2nd job. If we did have one it would have to 1st be approved by H.R. Even volunteer work has to be approved.
Of course. If you are not paid hourly the employer pays for your time. And if you do work two jobs its illegal. In Germany its timetheft and actually could be procecuted if you do it that badly.
Yes, this.... As long as it doesn't interfere with the other jobs.... I never even knew this was a "thing". I know so many people who will say "I can't stay late tonight, I work my other job and have to leave on time"... I have a volunteer job that I have worked at for the last 11 years, every Tuesday 9-1, but I usually stay later bc I have no where to be after, but this is on any application that I can't work this day because I work another job. It's never been a problem for me. I'd not take a job that said I can't work any where else ever.
That hits close to home. So far I've never had an issue with an employer about working 2 jobs or having contracts on the side. It was always understood by both sides that you don't keep all your eggs in one bucket. I'm glad you're bringing this issue Josh. Great job as always.
@@elchupacabra4936 in both US and EU. Most of my career I spent in EU.I never really read my contracts, so I'm not sure whether there was something like that, but never have I had any problems. I almost always have more than one job or at least side gig. I don't even think it's legal for the employer to impact my time outside of work hours. At least not ethical.
It is amazing the prices you can pull as a skilled independent contractor when you make it clear you have other clients (and even passive income streams) how much better you are treated, I tell dispatchers all the time I could be on the side if a lake if I wanted right now. Shuts them right up when they are trying to chip away at I am scarce in my area price, don't like your job? Get at least 3 more and make them. Compete for your time
Wow, as a single mother there were times I worked 2 jobs and took classes then started a real estate career. The extra income helped us afford to live in a better neighborhood so my child could go to a better school. With one job I couldn't make ends meet.
What you do in your personal time isn't the company's business. If that's a second job and you're not breaking a contract then it's none of their business.
pretty much how I feel about it, My line of work isnt remote work, but I own a landscaping company, we mow from 6am to noon. that afternoon heat is a hell nooo for me. I got a guy who works for me, then goes and mows with my competition till 7pm. I could care less that he does it too. more power to him, get that bag.
@@robert8930 This is something that has become more common with remote work. Its a lot easier to hide things from your employer when you're not actually in the office where they can see you.
This is why I tell people they should be their own LLC. Company should subcontract to you so you get the same rights and benefits. I don’t see anyone suing a company for working on multiple contacts, do we? That is equally splitting the company’s resources that could have been devoted to the singular contract a client paid for. We could be even more ridiculous and ask, if a client paid for a business’ time, does that mean they own the business (and by extension its people)?
I really love your thinking. Especially about becoming your own llc. Less taxes that way and huge tax write offs. I'm nodding really happily right now 💯.
I can already see the Karens coming out and claiming they "own" schools and government buildings because their taxes pay for it lmao. "You can't arrest me I pay your salary!"
Contracting/Sub-contracting does not confer ownership interest in the contracted company. You do not own the business in question or the people, but you can enforce the terms of the contract, which entitles you to a "performance" of a thing (a business process, manufacturing, a service, or providing a product). You generally can't "own" the business even if they fail to meet the terms, but you can sue them for breach if they don't, and then OFFER to buy the now-devalued business. If THAT deal goes through, then you'd own the business.
@@SiliconChimera Government entities in the US are subordinate to the people, however they are managed through middle-managers (governmetn officials) _on behalf of_ the people. In a business sense, the government itself is the employee of "We the People". You do not "own" the government, you are sovereign OVER the government (as a collective). One person's taxes does not pay even 1% of a school or government building's cost. But your nature as a citizen entitles you to certain remedies if the government fails it's obligations to you or wrongs you in some way. What those people don't understand is that OTHER people co-pay salaries, and co-fund institutions, so if you rob a store your 0.0000001% of funding police salary that says "haha you can't arrest me" is "out-voted" by the 99.999999% of people who say "arrest robbers and looters".
When I got my first job, I also had to work evenings delivering pizza. I had debts and rent payments, and the extra few hundred a month made a big difference to my life. I needed to keep this secret from my employer as I was forbidden from working additional jobs. Plus, many of the management and other employees wouldn't really understand, as they were either boomers with paid off mortgages, or younger workers who got "helping hands" from their parents.
ive been "overemployed" since i was old enough to work. what u said at the end, abt giving u leverage- 100%. anytime 1 job got sick of me or "had to" lay me off, i knew my ass wasnt exposed to the wind. id still have income. addtly, its ensured im also overinsured, minimizing my healthcare costs, by enrolling in healthcare plans with both jobs. is it a lot of work? sure is, havent had a weekend to myself in yrs, but thats MY personal tradeoff for knowing ill be financially and medically sound in an emergency.
The article said “he only has himself to blame” but completely forgot about the snitch co-worker that ratted him out? What business did the co-worker have with him having two jobs? They couldnt mind their own business? Seems like the dude working two jobs was doing just fine.
He got caught because of telling the co worker he had two jobs. I think this is what employers are afraid of when you work from home. You might be doing other jobs while being on their time. As long as you are able to do your job competently, I don't see why you can't. Problem is that a company can get fined for overworking people. This law is intended to improve working conditions abd prevent exploitation. This is an example of where the employee himself wants to put in these hours. Should he get fined for that? Compare that to the CEO's and politicians who have many side jobs themselves. Nobody bats an eye lid when that occurs. This guy was trying to pay off a debt as quickly as possible. The Netherlands is a country where there is a high intoletance for people with debts yet have all kinds of systems and laws in place where it's made impossible to get rid of those when you aren't super filthy rich. As for the snitch. If there is one thing I learned working in The Netherlands. No matter how friendly and cool your coworkers seem to be they often can't wait to throw you under the bus. Especially if it improves their position or think it is going to improve their situation. Never ever trust them.
@@kenjiPhoenix61 Same boat here. Got denied further sysadmin rights because my coworker ratted me out for talking about salary with him.(Despite him telling me too, but i didn't rat on him...)
So not only is he ordered to pay large sums of money in his divorce but he can't take on another job to create the income to pay off those divorce fees, while paying his bills and supporting himself? Where the hell is the money supposed to come from? Is he supposed to shit out the money? Does he also have kids that he's ordered to pay child support to? Stupid laws like this are part of the reason why men off themselves.
In Holland, nobody has a problem with health insurance. And there is welfare for poorer people that is adequate. There are things that you don’t get in the USA. And of course in this situation he did break a law in a society that he wants to live in. He should just move to the USA if he doesn’t want to criticized for having several jobs.
@@NotShowingOff so if slavery is allowed in your country it's fine to have slaves? the law isn't always correct and it must be criticized when its the case.
@@cenowador this really depends on where you draw the line. The lack of labor laws creates slavery. Because it is always in the corporation’s best interest to work you to death. In this case, the person benefitted from the fact that because of labor laws, his first employer isn’t working him to death, so he went out and got a second job. But everything comes at a price. You can’t say that you want PTO and hours off and go ahead and break at your own convenience. In the USA, the ppl with more than one job really need the income because other forces make living so expensive.
@@NotShowingOff Right. But how are the divorce and family courts in Holland? I'll wager they are just like how it is in any other Western nation. That's not any better. You saw in the video that his lawyer fees are 20000 euros. So how's he gonna pay that off? 🤷♂ Furthermore I assure you no one in all of North America is being criticized by their peers for working a second job. That sounds like some crab-in-the-bucket, communist mentality to me.
@@briana.9395 nobody is criticized for working two jobs because they are jobs that nobody wants to work. Plus in the USA there are NDAs for the more lucrative jobs. The more common thing is someone is working from home, and then have their own side hustle. Which is a lot easier when you can work from home:
they do own you for that period of time. you exchange time for money, if you're paid for 8 hours you should work for 8 hours. if you have 2 full time jobs, my expectations are that you work 16 hours daily. otherwise, you're trash and cheating the company.
@@robert8930 Micromanagement like yours will only last so long bud. Good luck with your company, I don't see it lasting long in these changing times. In fact, I bet you are seeing more and more people "cheat" your company given that you are whining and crying like a little baby. Little do you know your employees are intentionally doing this not because they'd do it to all employers but because they think you are garbage not worth working hard for. I know this because my employees never cheat me since I treat them right and evaluate them by their results and not hourly like a m!()!#@#ron.
@@robert8930 we are seeing many companies fold right now, and i bet yours will be one of them and the whole time you'll be blaming all your employees. If you have any good workers, no worries I'll poach them and have a company that focuses on results, not focus on useless metrics on making sure everyone worked "x" hours. changing times, you are either a boomer who hasn't adjusted to workers. Them negotiating for higher salaries and proper work hours is part of "business". You not adapting to it means your days are numbered. Once you lose your top talent because of arrogance, that means your days are numbered.
Thankfully, this kind of contract is illegal where I'm from because of "Freedom to work". Basically, so long as I'm not working for a competitor or sharing insider information, I can work as many jobs as I can take on. An employer can't restrict me that way.
While we do have laws regarding maximum hours working a salary job, we don't have laws that prevent you from working a second job (generally). What the guy did is illegal because contracts here often state work hours during company operating hours. The fine is ridiculously high though, especially since they even said in court that they can't prove if he worked the hours or not...
You must read the contract and tell them to remove that clause. They usually will do it in America. You tell them that you work side gigs and freelance and will not work for competition.
This is why I dont share anything I dont want to lose with a "colleague". Alot of them are undercover jealous and will do their best to sabotage you, especially if you have a schedule or position they like. They will try and put you in a bad place if they thing they can get the upper hand.
You actually have more power than you think if you read the laws very carefully. Like once you become a secured party creditor, you get all your money that was set aside for federal and state level taxes back to you with the WBEN form. Go do yourself a favor and check out out! You can escape from the matrix.
Im from holland. these laws mostly exist to protect the employee from overwork as you say. But I agree, if you want to work 2 jobs and you can do it you should be able to do it. Although I doubt it is sustainable long term.
Love how you mindlessly jump to the worst extreme conclusion that has no bearing on reality. Burnout from overwork is a very real thing, and it affects people physically and mentally. These protections exist for a reason, but they should definitely let people work multiple jobs if they want. Why am I not surprised you’re just another wannabe finance guru trying to teach people about side hustles and “passive income” when you have no idea wtf you’re talking about.
Correct me if Im wrong but "AT Will" employment means you dont have an employment contract. As a matter of fact Ive been asked to sign agreements at "At Will" employers that say things like you cant have another job, and you cant outsource your job to another person. But, if it is not a contract then it is not binding! Sure they could fire you for it but they could fire you without cause. If they put a reason for firing you, say something about the signed agreement, seems a good lawyer could argue that you were under an employment contract.
At will just means the employer can terminate the job at any time, they don't need a reason they can do it with no legal ramifications. It also means you can leave any time for the same. At will jobs can still be by contract. There are still things like confidentiality agreements etc covered by contracts and these contracts can also include a 'sole employer clause'.
@@YiGzit technically no. Uitzendkrachten usually have a contract with the agencies. However it's one of the worst with regards to the collective labor agreements.
@@GreenPlasticWaterCan At Will has saved my butt at least once, as I was able to leave a toxic employer without notice, nor penalty. I pretty much clocked out, told the boss to mail the last check, and walked out. No burden of proving wrongdoing or going through a process was needed on my part. I wanted to leave, I left. If you’re the “Don’t leave all your eggs in one basket” type (robust savings, additional income source, etc), at-will employment can allow you to flex leverage over an employer, or allow you to make fast moves. However, if you do rely on the employer and have no fall-back, at-will can also be a curse. I generally keep a robust savings, and make some money on the side in photography, so I find at-will to be a favorable arrangement.
I used to work 2 jobs, $15 an hour for my main job, and $11 an hour for my 2nd job, avg 55 hrs a week, being separate night and day shift so no overlapping.
Never trust colleagues - worst mistake of my life, just don’t do it. The people who want trust like that either are too immature to do well with it or have bad intention. No decent adults wants in on your potential firing….
I feel bad for the guy. He was in a tough position owing all that money, he got divorced, he found a solution, and he was brutally punished for it. “Rules for thee and not for me”
He should have played it smarter, if faced with divorce or high payments, work for less or not at all! Do not have to be enslaved! Of course you will be called names and Oprah will sit on you! !
Bruhahah how do you verify that people in the office have "worked all their paid hours"? This is a silly concept for many jobs where you are not producing something in an assembly line but it's still too difficult to grasp for lawmakers after centuries
Yes, this sort of law only makes sense where your work has a direct impact on immediate personal safety. Examples are truck drivers, construction workers, police officers, etc. Burning out on the job could be fatal in those cases. But sitting at your desk and burning out? Come on.
Your timesheet verifies how many hours you worked. If you put down 40 hours on your timesheet you get paid for 40 hours. If you did not work 40 hours then you effectively defrauded the company by getting paid for hours you did not actually work. For IT jobs timesheets are common in Europe. In the US many (if not most) IT jobs are by salary so it doesn't matter how many hours you work you only get that salary so no need to fill out a timesheet. Which many employers in the US take advantage of by having their employees work more than 40 hours a week with no extra pay. In Europe Hours limits can prevent companies from taking advantage of employees in this manner. But it this guys case it came back to hurt him as by working 2 full-time jobs he violated the legal working hours limit.
@@jefflewis4 not sure how any of what you said answers the question. Yes we use time sheets in EU. Does that mean anyone can easily detect if someone has actually worked the time he wrote down or has been "padding" it? No it does not. Everybody and their dog has been "padding" the time sheet since time immemorial
@@Tie509 you can burn out on office jobs too, burn out is not physical, it is a mental condition where you are tired and start making mistakes and not be attentive. You maybe don't understand this because you don't do jobs that require a lot of brain power so you get physically tired before you are mentally tired, but you can check older videos from Josh where he is talking about software development and burnout. Everybody in EU is on state healthcare, so even if you burn out and hit people with a car when going home (or when going to the shop to buy food) because you are tired, it's still a cost for state healthcare.
@@marcogenovesi8570 If you 'padded' your timesheet then you did not work the hours you stated you worked. You lied to your employer, you committed a fraud, you broke the law. If you get away with the fraud fine, but if you get caught your timesheets will prove your fraud. In this case that's exactly what happened when he was reported. They checked his timesheets and saw he reported 40 hours each week for both employers. It is not possible to work 80 hours within a 40 hour period. His timesheets confirmed his fraud which cost him both jobs, 33,000 Euros, and his unemployment benefits. When he claimed he worked evening and weekends (which did not match what he put on his timesheets) he also was in violation of the working hours act which limited him to only 60 hours per week. If he were in the US on a salary, there is normally not a timesheet to fill out, so you can legally work 80 hours or more in a week. Some Employers do take advantage of this and overwork their employees, but you are not limited by law in how much you can earn.
Holland was like "lets not allow them to abuse employees like the US does", but yeah it can backfire isn't that the case for most laws. I do think dictating time off is dumb, but I also see where they landed to that conclusion maybe if the law said "you can't work over x hours for x employer" it would have worked.
He could have worked as a freelance contractor instead. The problem is also that he signed a contract prohibiting any kind of work for other competitors.
These clauses are to protect the employee and the employer. If a employee gets hurt, even while playing recreative football, the employer will have the pay the sick leave bill up to 2 years.
[In the US] *Tortious Interference:* _A person who intentionally attempts to disrupt or damage the business dealings of another, which they themselves have no part in, has committed a civil offense._ All citizens have the right to enter contract with any party, so long as doing so does not break any other law (Employee contracts or agreements are not law). Outside influences on such contracts by un-involved persons is wrongful and potentially liable for suit in most jurisdictions, depending on the facts of the case. Not legal advice; consult a licensed attorney.
I run two businesses and an elected official. If I can own multiple businesses and they not interfere with each other then why can a employee. Oh I know when your an employee they own you.
When I was 18 working full-time at sears, I tried to get a second job to save money for college. Just something easy like 2-3 hours in the evening in the same Mall. Sears had me working the morning shift only for almost a year. That schedule was pretty set already. Well I stupidly told the manager my plan, asking that my working hours continue to stay the same as they had been so that I could get another job. She said no that wasn't a possibility and proceeded to switch up my work hours all over the darn place so that I couldn't get another job.
Had a guy work another job besides his position in our firm. Loads of his workload fell onto me since his hours clearly overlapped. Can't blame anyone but myself for letting it happen. Didn't snitch but I'm guessing that's what it happened here.
The big mistake that this guy made was he let someone else know about it in the company. One thing that I never understood is how naive and trusting people are of their coworkers. Having been in the work force for over 40 years, I see it all the time. People sharing personal details about their lives and livelihoods with their works "friends." Now, I do not know if he was discovered or he volunteered the information, but nevertheless, no coworker should be close enough to you to learn anything personal about you. No good can come of it. Of course, you should be friendly with your coworkers, but remember, they are not your friends and the company is not your family. If there is someone that you like at your job by all means become actual friends with them WHEN YOU GET A NEW JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE.
So wasn't sure if I wanted to add something to the discussion but seeing some of the replies it might be good to provide some context on working in the Netherlands. First off the Netherlands has a large number of social programs like unemployment/social security, healthcare for all and a basic pension for everyone with employers often providing an additional pension. They are also mandated to provide at least 25 days PTO, sick leave (not limited or taken out of your PTO) including one holiday of at least two consecutive weeks (I think it's two but I might be mistaken). Besides PTO certain days are mandatory holidays (Christmas etc), maternity leave (and even paternity leave) and more. Over time/work is regulated including mandatory downtime/rest for the employee to prevent burnout/sickness. Employers also can't "just" fire you and will have to prove in a court that they tried everything to make things work but it still didn't work or you broke the contract you signed and if the judge agrees they can fire you. Letting people go because of economic hardship is also regulated to prevent companies from "dumping" employees on the taxpayer and is commonly only allowed when a severance package is agreed upon.to help the employees find another job. In general Dutch laws tend to protect the people i.e by ensuring they are healthy, well rested and supported during hard times (like sickness or unemployment). I hope this provides a bit more context and shows that applying "American" standards to this case is probably not the best reference.
In the UK we have the 40 hours working week rule, but you can voluntarily opt out. Also, no matter what the contract of employment says, you can never sign away your legal rights. This applies to those awful non-disclosure clauses, which are there to scare you but can't be enforced in a court of law (in England). All great work Josh - keeps us all challenging the way they'd like us to be. x
I got fired from a part-time job I had for a couple years at a uni library because I was using *downtime* when we *weren't busy at all* to do some work on my second online job, and one of my bosses didn't like that too much. She'd already told me not to do it several months before under different circumstances, which I totally understood and ceased to do it. This time, I think she just took it personally and was looking for an excuse to get rid of me. I wasn't the only part-timer whose position was on the chopping block around that time.
3:40 In EU in general the state provides health care and other support services to people so there is more incentive for the state to keep people from hurting themselves. So if the person "overworks" and screws up he ends up on state healthcare. So it's not as simple decision as with US where the worker is on his own if he gets injured on the job, so it's fine to just let him be an adult and take his own decisions
If he’s got two jobs then he’s paying double taxes meaning he is paying twice already for the healthcare. And he will only ever use it as one person - because obviously he is only one person - so in fact he is making more money to the state. You are just being used to being treated as a slave. Don’t defend governments, they just want to enslave you. Wake up.
@@dimitrimelo2586 Not sure how paying double taxes for healthcare changes the fact that state doesn't want to pay for injured people. State-funded healthcare works like an insurance, you are not paying millions in taxes every month (the cost of serious hospital treatment). So as long as few people get injured the state has enough money to pay, if too many get injured the state can't pay anymore. You have no idea of how this works, please don't preach to others.
@@marcogenovesi8570 the state doesn’t ever pay for anything. “The state” doesn’t produce wealth. It only leeches off of ppl. If he is paying double taxes and not using it even once, he is making money to the state OF COURSE. There’s no state if there’s no tax payer. Seems like you missed math 101. The cost of healthcare is not millions of dollars. That happens to be the price now is the US. STRICTLY BECAUSE OF LAWS AND GOVERNMENT. Should there be no government, healthcare would be not only affordable, it would be cheap and for the poor most likely free (really free, not government-free, because you should know by now that everything that comes from the government actually was stolen from the unwilling taxpayer or given by idioticy by the willing taxpayer. So basically what you are saying now is that it is cheaper to pay for healthcare every month of your life even if you never use it - and disregarding inflation - than only pay the once you need it when you need it. Again seems like you missed math 101. So before you keep on blabbing about “state-funded”, learn that there’s no such thing. So, yes, if he’s been hired by two companies, the same paperwork had to be done twice, conferring twice as much in taxes. And healthcare works as an insurance???? HAHAHAHAHAHA Dude, you are mega indoctrinated. They are taking your money EVERY SECOND YOU WORK just to sell you the idea that “hey, but dont get all full of yourself and get hurt because we are not here to treat you whenever you feel like hurting yourself!” And you bought it??? Break free of your slavery, dude. You should pay for what you use when you use it, period.
@@dimitrimelo2586 sorry what? Paying for something doesn't imply producing wealth. Even if I steal money I can then use it to pay for something. Paying is the act of using money to get something in return. Regardless of how you see taxes, using tax money to do something is still "paying" for it. "The cost of healthcare is not millions of dollars. That happens to be the price now is the US. STRICTLY BECAUSE OF LAWS AND GOVERNMENT. " this shows you have no idea of why healthcare costs orders of magnitude more in the US than in the EU (or even Canada for that matter). They have laws and government too so why is the cost so low? " that it is cheaper to pay for healthcare every month of your life even if you never use it " You keep showing the class how you don't understand the concept of insurance "You should pay for what you use when you use it, period." but I don't have the money to pay for it, that's the whole point of insurances, which again you clearly don't understand
Companies pay a pittance but doesn't allow you to do other paid jobs. Companies need to know that they are paying for a 40 hour work week, they should not dictate what we do after that!
We're all discussing the reasons, but the main problem, the root of the problem was the damn divorce. Moral of the story - dont divorce if you dont want to work 2 jobs and further snowball into more troubles.
Screw the contract. But he had it coming because he shared such sensitive information with an untrustworthy coworker. Always keep such things to yourselves, people. Especially if they break the terms of your contract 😉
The same CEO who want you to sign a contract which gives them 100% leverage and zero for you, including total loyalty to the company they run etc... are usually involved in multiple, high cashflowing side gigs / startups / companies either by shareholding, board membership or sometimes even being CEO on multiple projects... that is really greedy to expect the employee to not engage in any activity other than that single paying job while the higher-ups are able to leverage their position to triple and even quadruple their time/income ratio
This is legitimately a way to double dip 401ks too if it's allowed for you. People are able to retire in half the time maybe even sooner if they do 3-6 of them. It can be done but it depends on the nature of the work and extreme time management skills.
If you live modestly, you can also accomplish the same thing on your own by having your employer retirement, a Roth IRA, and even a third brokerage account. 10 years of contributions is like 30 years of work.
I did two full time jobs twice.. First time was for a year, 8 hours at an IT job during the day, 8 Hours at a factory at night (I wouldn't recommend doing it this way! Not healthy at all). The seconds time I did 2 Remote IT jobs during the same hours, neither company knew, and I consistently exceeded all performance reviews at both jobs to the point where it sometimes made me wonder what some of the other employee's even did most of the time. There shouldn't be a problem with doing it this way. Getting the work done? Good. Who cares then!
Wow. I am from Holland. I never had a full time job, always been an entrepreneur. But damn, I never expected Holland to be this bad? Are you kidding me? WOw. Glad I am not a waggie here.
I don't know how Holland regulates this but in germany in nearly every contract I ve got there was a phrase that my employee has to allow side businesses or jobs and has always permissions as the mainjob to revalidate his decision. this makes sense to him of his employee steals Information to battle his employer on the market
11hr break in between probably has more to do with "taking" a job from somebody else... Gotta keep those eu unemployment numbers down...for political purpose..
Nobody should have to work two jobs. But they should be allowed if they want to. If the company wants to pay enough that two jobs aren't necessary, that's one thing. But even then, if the work gets done, who cares.
Heres the article, you'll need to translate it. I used chrome. www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/life/artikel/5317861/ontslag-boete-werknemer-stiekem-twee-fulltime-banen
It all comes down to the writing of the contract itself. In Europe we have FREELANCE workers (probably the same as AT-WILL in the USA, like you mentioned) and DEPENDENT workers. Both have different conditions, rules and benefits. A DEPENDENT worker accepts, in the contract, to work for a specific period of the day for that company. He can't share working hours elsewhere. On the other hand we have the FREELANCE worker who basically works by objectives (lawyers, doctors, accountants) but has NOT committed with working hours but instead with accomplishment of "objectives". The guy you mentioned was clearly a DEPENDENT worker who was profiting from all the extra benefits they have (Social Security, Health, etc), that the FREELANCERS don't have, while pretending to be a FREELANCER. What he did was wrong and that's why the Court punished him. Having said that, had he worked as a FREELANCER in 3 or 4 companies it would perfectly fine because that's expected of him. A FREELANCER is an ENTREPENEUR! A DEPENDENT worker commits exclusively to 1 specific company on those hours mentioned in the contract.
I remember went I worked at Walmart a woman I worked with worked two jobs. the store manager fired her when he found out. I never could understand why he fired her. it made it even more confusing when he commented "if you have time for a different company your not making enough time for ours". she worked 3rd shift and our schedule never changed. she never told me afterwards that she has no idea why she was fired b.c there was no conflicting issues between the two jobs.
I live in the Netherlands (Holland). Sad thing is this country is full of really dumb and silly laws. People get fined for literally anything… That’s a shame. This poor lad should never be asked to pay that amount of money especially since I can imagine he was trying to save up to eventually open its own business or whatever.
At least you don't go to prison for smoking weed/doing other drugs like it is here in Poland. One guy had a court case for possessing 0,007 grams of weed.
@@phoenix. Yes but a 33000€ fine? That's a yearly salary for a software developer, this is crazy. Netherlands has some stupid laws but Belgium isn't any better, like we can't work more than 38h per week....
@@przemekh4857 Okay but you can work as a freelancer more than 38 hours a week? Not sure about the fine, I don't know his salary, it does look high to me...
company rats 🐀 is why i don't trust any co-workers. and the double standard and being judged for having a second job is so intense. also companies feel they can squeeze more out of employees.
How was the IT company "damaged" by him working an unrelated job in Insurance? RE: The 11 hours of non-work time.. This really sounds like some socialist BS/crabs in a bucket. We can't have certain people showing that it's possible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and be successful! Everyone has to be "equal", even if that (as always) means "equally impoverished".
You dumb? If they made the law of 11 hours of non-work time it was meant to protect the worker. Now, of course they should add some clause there saying "for the same company" or something like that. "socialism" (at least the real one...) is meant to protect workers / common people from companies taking advantage and improve the condition of the less wealthy by offering good and cheap health care and education. Why do you think you there's so much inequality in US?
In many countries in europe building wealth is frowned upon. Your colleges will easily snitch on you, unlike in the usa were your manager might know but act as if they didn't. Exclusivity contracts are more common and labor laws pretty tight. People are supposed to rely on the government for health, education and retirement or even unemployment periods. Excessive spending or living a fancy life is seen as unreasonable.
I once worked for a company based in Germany that had offices in the US. Often we would hear our German colleagues complaining to us about some other employee they felt wasn't doing his job or getting away with something he shouldn't be doing. It was odd how much time they spent worried about what the other employee was doing or not doing. Its not something you see as much in the US, maybe there more emphasis in Europe about everyone being treated equally than there is in the US.
@@jefflewis4 yeah, it's exactly that. They take equality too far. It's due to europe's long feudal history and the violent revolutions that took to end it.
Companies only pay you enough to pay your bills so you can’t save and become financially independent. This makes you dependent on the company for a living, and thus a slave to them.
That law you mention specifically refers to "employee". You can do whatever as a contractor, or as a combination of employment with contracts on the side, depending on local laws.
The mistake was not to take a contracting position instead. The labor laws in the EU don't apply to contractors and business owners - you can work 100 hours a week if you want.
Dutch contracts usually have a clause that prevents employees from working beside to their full time job. So yes, he broke his contracts. If you want to start your own business / freelance, you have to talk to your employer. Usually they are reasonable in that sense. Edit: Forgot to mention. Dutch law can and will hold companies accountable when someone becomes unfit to be able to work, and yes burn-out is a valid cause. So a company has a stack in protecting their employee from getting overworked. PS: While technically correct since the case was in Sout Holland, it's The Netherlands. Holland is just two out of twelve provinces (North and South Holland).
People like this are ruining work from home for everyone. It is also a ridiculous cop out to say that the person is ‘getting all the work done’. Those same people will complain if they are micromanaged. Anyone for no micromanagement and WFH should endorse this position.
My company hires many remote workers... their performance is what matters, excuses are not as valid if we know they have multiple jobs, but get the job done correctly, I do not care what else is going on...
What I’m most surprised at is that he didn’t get caught by State Administration first. In a lot of EU countries, employment is registered to the State Administration as a way to prevent various kind of frauds. If a new employee is already “registered” somewhere else, the company gets call back and told they can’t legally employ that person. And if they don’t, you’d probably hear from social security, unemployment or the taxman because the numbers wouldn’t not line up and they’d assume you’re committing some kind of fraud.
I think you overreact. First, a person can hold 2 or as many jobs as it can, AS LONG AS he does not slack or makes mistakes due to being tired. There is always an "AS LONG AS". If it is true that he brought loses to one of his employers, then obviously he is not able to hold 2 jobs. Second, that law is for employees. He could have gone as Self Employed (or equivalent), and negociate contracts as subcontractor. Could maybe have held 2 or more jobs (contracts). But he chose not to, and deceived his employer. And before you guys throw the "employers do that all the time", ask yourself: Did those 2 particular employers do so? If not, then he is in the wrong.
This is beyond infuriating, as well as utterly terrifying...Idk, I say don't be loyal to a company, but do it in secret. Otherwise, you could be in Joshua flukes next video on something like this.
In some countries, it is illegal or considered highly unethical, especially highly socialized ones. The reasoning is it's hurting other people trying to get jobs. Even in ours, it's good ethics for your employers to know you work multiple jobs. In our country, it's not unusual for people to work 3 part-time jobs. Following your advice to get a raise by switching jobs would appear to be a better option in almost every case.
Moral of the story: don't tell your coworkers anything about yourself. They are not your friends, they are not your family.
the jealoisy that coworker must have felt jesus
Also, always keep dirt on your fellow employees. You never know when it will come in handy.
@@prima6170 Blackmail 😂😂
@@YOYO-dv8gv I prefer to think of it as an insurance policy that I hope I never have to file a claim against 😉😊
No one is your friend, no one is your family, no one can be trusted, loose lips sink ships and women will drain your happiness and bank account. Keep it real kings.
The fact that it was a "colleague," not his own performance, that caused him to be investigated in the first place just further promoted to NOT TRUST ANYONE, even "colleagues."
I don't know what happened. In the past, you could work a job and, as long as you were doing work and not being a dick, no one would care. We joked around, played games, drunk after work, etc. but the work always got done. They certainly did not care what you did outside work hours.
If management were to get involved, then employees would stick up for each other. No one ever complained to management unless they really had to.
Now you can't trust anyone. People will throw you under the bus for the smallest things. You can't vent about poor working conditions or stupid management decisions to colleagues, as there is a good chance that would be fed back to HR. Big brother is always watching.
The working world has truly become hell.
I never tell my collogues anything I wouldn't tell my boss. You don't take any chances with your livelihood.
This was in Holland, the police never investigates anything there they just wait for snitches to come, because they always come
The fact he was able to perform his duties while doing another job just says a lot about how hard his job was.
ESPECIALLY colleagues
Employee gets sued for working few jobs yet we got CEO owning multiple companies.... Double standards
What about CEOs and Board members who sit on the boards of multiple companies?
@@Ironborn4 That too
Yea if employees can’t work two jobs executives should have to divest from all but their current company.
Tbh it's not the same thing. You are being paid by the employer therefore they set the conditions. Just like how you are the one that gets to set the conditions when you're paying someone for a service. Still, I'd definitely work 2 jobs in secret if I could haha
And politicians "working at" (being bribed) by multiple companies is apparently fine.
The hilarious/ridiculous part is that there is one camp that berates people for needing unemployment benefits and not being able to work, and then there is this camp that destroys you for working "too many" jobs. Not to mention the entire other camp that wants you to work, but it cannot be remote; it must be in-office....
Almost like one camp is just parroting corporate propaganda
Almost like they want you to be a slave with no options
Yup Polar Opposites
They’re largely the same people. Which makes the arguments even more ridiculous
probably it must be in office to avoid such situations where people work 2 jobs in the total amount of 8-10 hours a day?
The only time people have a problem with others working two jobs is when you make lots of money, IE two remote Software Engineering jobs at once. When you work two "essential worker" jobs just to stay in poverty and barely pay your bills suffering 14+ hours a day, suddenly everyone is fine with it. You can figure out why that is.
I’m a software engineer in Mexico and have worked two jobs for 5 years 🤣 both jobs know about the fact. But not at the same time. Main company rh told as long as is not in our working hours is good do with your time as you wish.
No. It is not the same. Which essential worker can work 2 jobs, can you tell me ? The answer is none. Only IT workers or people who can work remotely can get away with such dishonesty. This is wrong and should not be encouraged.
@@codegeek-il5fm this is not dishonesty as long as it's been made clear to the company hiring you. If you get 2 jobs and can't complete the workload for both, then that's another issue. I know of cases where a company hiring has had no issue with this. Just do your jobs and don't go against the interests of the companies you are working with.
Now they want to know more about me becouse I am happy with less then them.
@@codegeek-il5fm I was a cashier at a hardware store and delivering pizza at night hitting 70 hours a week for a good 4 or 5 months. I have my CS degree now though 😎
Government and corporations: you need to hustle and work hard.
Employee: literally works 2 jobs to pay off debts.
Government and corporations: no, not like that. We mean hustle and work hard for free. How dare you!
bruh.. 😅😂
And they cheat you out of your overtime also so it’s literally ... for free. Corporate cooks
well..hustle and work hard for one employee, not hustle and work average and less than 8 hours.
if you are capable of working 8 hours for one and then another 8 hours for the second one, ok, fair enough.
otherwise, you're just underdelivering and working less than you're paid for.
@@robert8930 But in most of these examples, the employee is doing the same amount of work they would if they were working 8 hours. Just getting it done faster.
@@potatoman8763 if they are better than others at doing their job, they are most likely paid better than them. if you do 8 hours of work in 4, then you need to be given twice as much work. you are paid for your time. if you want to work 4 hours, go work 4 hours job. im sick of this mentality. you deliver faster, then deliver more.
that is not an excuse to slack off or to work for another company on that time.
right now, companies pay you for your time, not for your deliverables. if you work an 8hour job, you should do your job, at your current speed, for 8 hours. if you have an 8 hour task and you finish it in 4, grab another one.
your pace is faster than others so you are paid more than them for delivering better and more than them, not to deliver the same amount but faster and then go slack off.
im really 100% against this mentality of 'i finish in 4 so now i do nothing'.
no mate, if you finish in 4 instead of 8, either you're bad at estimating stuff, or you do it on purpose.
i just delivered 3 weeks worth of work in 2 days, and i go grab my next task. thats why im paid way more than my colleagues.
This guy's mistake was telling his co-worker he was working a second job. Clearly neither company had an issue with his performance. The level of control companies have over employees' lives is obscene.
welcome to capitalism
@@MrDoomedtofail that is just some human nature, under communism there were still many people who were envious, stealing and greedy bastards who constantly told on each other (although to be fair, the kgb "investigation" because of your lying b*tch neighbour or colleague is worse than this), at least this was so in ussr, an yeah I'm from an ex-soviet country.
Could be that the coworker found out in another way. Either way, there is no reason to trust anyone at any job, it's literally a thing that we only do for money, not for "friendships". And after changing a few jobs, there is barely anyone I've kept in contact with, even though I was extremely social in each companies. It just doesn't matter so it's best to keep your personal life to yourself.
He would be caught eventually anyway, when he fills in his tax papers
@@MrDoomedtofail why capitalism? I don’t understand what you mean
Just proof that coworkers can’t be trusted, no matter how cool you think things are
coworkers, judges, bosses
they all anklebiters
@@nathanbraun2067 Lawyers, Cops, Neighbors and of course family and friends, everyone has a price.
@W you damn right. Everyone has a knife in someone’s back!
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Why would i work for someone who u cant trust? Was this a problem back on day for my parents?
if a company is paying a wage or salary that is never going to afford a person the retirement they want even if they worked for 30 years, they should not be allowed to restrict a person to the number of income streams they generate, be it multiple jobs or other income. the companies have way more power than this guy. they were each paying the equivalent of $35k a year, assuming he saves over half of that, he might just barely squeak by for a mediocre retirement by 65. Why should he be punished for wanting to cut that time in half or double his money by retirement?
Retirement? Can’t even BUY A HOME after 30 years lol damn right I’m going to work more than one job. If they try and stop me I’ll get violent I swear I’ll fucking break their jaw for taking my income streams, a man has limits
Skill up, learn new things, and make more.
@@AFuller2020 yes, by working multiple jobs if you want to
@@AFuller2020 Ohh yeah gee no one ever though of that one! Yeah but "skilling up" takes time and money - and just because you "skilled up" doesn't mean you're automatically getting promoted/raised. Not a meritocracy.
Also, I "skilled up" so I could make more - and now I can make more, doubled because 2 companies want my skills lol
the idea is, that the employer is not paying you for hours your don't work, so if you work for him 8am-6pm and then decide to work a side gig during the evening on YOUR OWN time, it should be your choice... if an employer want you to work only for them and not be able to do anything in your free time then they should pay you for the 3-4 hours after work. you are an employee not a slave, or it least that is how it should be - your time is blocked for the number of hours written in your contract for which you are getting paid for, what you do with the rest of your time is nobody's business.. of course big CEO don't like that type of attitude, regardless of most CEOs of medium to large companies holding multiple positions at the same time on different boards, an activity which for the C-level absurdly seem to look completely fine, so a CEO is "allowed" to received multiple millions in salaries and/or dividends from multiple companies at the same time, but you peasant should be fine about your single source of income and just do as you are told, meh
There are people who only work one job but "space out" or "stretch" their work over multiple days, when, in reality, it may only take them one working day. People do this because, at a lot of companies, there is little incentive to go above an beyond.
If you're able to multitask successfully, then I say go for it. If you only want one job, then that's cool too.
Also, don't forget that if you go off on your own to do consulting or contracting, then you will likely be doing work for multiple businesses during the week.
If you're working two jobs that don't overlap, then that's even safer.
I'm just so sick and tired of the mentality of companies where they feel like they own you. Yet, whenever there's a possible recession on the horizon (like right now), they have zero issue cutting headcount.
I agree with Josh. Act like a mercenary or free agent, because you can bet your backside that these corporations will be cutting headcount at the nearest sign of a recession.
Contract work is the 🔑 to early retirement
This
"I'm just so sick and tired of the mentality of companies where they feel like they own you." It's a power trip, it's a human innate trait once you are given too much power. The only mistake we as millennials and gen Z have to admit to, especially us millennials, is that we never saw actually how lazy boomers are and how much they gaslighted us. That was our mistake while boomers got away with calling everyone else lazy when they were actually the lazy ones.
This happens all the time. Companies get mad because it proves how little work actually gets done. They don't even notice. That's why we could have a 24 hour workweek and everything would be fine, its a double standard and dumb. I was allowed to work 84 hours a week for one company but its somehow immoral to work two 40 hour jobs? Bullocks.
No one should ever be prohibited from working as many jobs as they want.
At my job we used to have to sign a paper stating we didn't have a 2nd job. If we did have one it would have to 1st be approved by H.R. Even volunteer work has to be approved.
@@avalondreaming1433 corporate control at its finest
Except that means less jobs for people who want one job. Would you like to live in a world with less jobs and have o rely on the government?
Of course. If you are not paid hourly the employer pays for your time. And if you do work two jobs its illegal. In Germany its timetheft and actually could be procecuted if you do it that badly.
Yes, this.... As long as it doesn't interfere with the other jobs.... I never even knew this was a "thing". I know so many people who will say "I can't stay late tonight, I work my other job and have to leave on time"... I have a volunteer job that I have worked at for the last 11 years, every Tuesday 9-1, but I usually stay later bc I have no where to be after, but this is on any application that I can't work this day because I work another job. It's never been a problem for me.
I'd not take a job that said I can't work any where else ever.
That hits close to home. So far I've never had an issue with an employer about working 2 jobs or having contracts on the side. It was always understood by both sides that you don't keep all your eggs in one bucket. I'm glad you're bringing this issue Josh. Great job as always.
are you in US though? In EU almost all my contracts stated that I'm not allowed to work for someone else during employment.
@@elchupacabra4936 in both US and EU. Most of my career I spent in EU.I never really read my contracts, so I'm not sure whether there was something like that, but never have I had any problems. I almost always have more than one job or at least side gig. I don't even think it's legal for the employer to impact my time outside of work hours. At least not ethical.
It is amazing the prices you can pull as a skilled independent contractor when you make it clear you have other clients (and even passive income streams) how much better you are treated, I tell dispatchers all the time I could be on the side if a lake if I wanted right now. Shuts them right up when they are trying to chip away at I am scarce in my area price, don't like your job? Get at least 3 more and make them. Compete for your time
They want you to devote your life to them for scraps. Unreal. And the RAT coworker... Don't share things like this with coworkers
They pay pittance and ask us to work 40 hours a week, but want to control us 24/7
Wow, as a single mother there were times I worked 2 jobs and took classes then started a real estate career. The extra income helped us afford to live in a better neighborhood so my child could go to a better school.
With one job I couldn't make ends meet.
What you do in your personal time isn't the company's business. If that's a second job and you're not breaking a contract then it's none of their business.
pretty much how I feel about it, My line of work isnt remote work, but I own a landscaping company, we mow from 6am to noon. that afternoon heat is a hell nooo for me. I got a guy who works for me, then goes and mows with my competition till 7pm. I could care less that he does it too. more power to him, get that bag.
"2 jobs from 8am to 5 pm" - im pretty sure it was not his personal time then.
Deadass homie was working 2 remote gigs at the same time.
@@robert8930 This is something that has become more common with remote work. Its a lot easier to hide things from your employer when you're not actually in the office where they can see you.
This is why I tell people they should be their own LLC. Company should subcontract to you so you get the same rights and benefits. I don’t see anyone suing a company for working on multiple contacts, do we? That is equally splitting the company’s resources that could have been devoted to the singular contract a client paid for.
We could be even more ridiculous and ask, if a client paid for a business’ time, does that mean they own the business (and by extension its people)?
I really love your thinking. Especially about becoming your own llc. Less taxes that way and huge tax write offs. I'm nodding really happily right now 💯.
I can already see the Karens coming out and claiming they "own" schools and government buildings because their taxes pay for it lmao. "You can't arrest me I pay your salary!"
Contracting/Sub-contracting does not confer ownership interest in the contracted company. You do not own the business in question or the people, but you can enforce the terms of the contract, which entitles you to a "performance" of a thing (a business process, manufacturing, a service, or providing a product). You generally can't "own" the business even if they fail to meet the terms, but you can sue them for breach if they don't, and then OFFER to buy the now-devalued business. If THAT deal goes through, then you'd own the business.
@@SiliconChimera Government entities in the US are subordinate to the people, however they are managed through middle-managers (governmetn officials) _on behalf of_ the people. In a business sense, the government itself is the employee of "We the People". You do not "own" the government, you are sovereign OVER the government (as a collective). One person's taxes does not pay even 1% of a school or government building's cost. But your nature as a citizen entitles you to certain remedies if the government fails it's obligations to you or wrongs you in some way.
What those people don't understand is that OTHER people co-pay salaries, and co-fund institutions, so if you rob a store your 0.0000001% of funding police salary that says "haha you can't arrest me" is "out-voted" by the 99.999999% of people who say "arrest robbers and looters".
When I got my first job, I also had to work evenings delivering pizza. I had debts and rent payments, and the extra few hundred a month made a big difference to my life.
I needed to keep this secret from my employer as I was forbidden from working additional jobs. Plus, many of the management and other employees wouldn't really understand, as they were either boomers with paid off mortgages, or younger workers who got "helping hands" from their parents.
ive been "overemployed" since i was old enough to work. what u said at the end, abt giving u leverage- 100%. anytime 1 job got sick of me or "had to" lay me off, i knew my ass wasnt exposed to the wind. id still have income. addtly, its ensured im also overinsured, minimizing my healthcare costs, by enrolling in healthcare plans with both jobs. is it a lot of work? sure is, havent had a weekend to myself in yrs, but thats MY personal tradeoff for knowing ill be financially and medically sound in an emergency.
The article said “he only has himself to blame” but completely forgot about the snitch co-worker that ratted him out? What business did the co-worker have with him having two jobs? They couldnt mind their own business? Seems like the dude working two jobs was doing just fine.
It's his fault to talk to coworker.
Walk quietly and stop telling people your plans! I learned that the hard way!
He got caught because of telling the co worker he had two jobs. I think this is what employers are afraid of when you work from home. You might be doing other jobs while being on their time. As long as you are able to do your job competently, I don't see why you can't. Problem is that a company can get fined for overworking people. This law is intended to improve working conditions abd prevent exploitation. This is an example of where the employee himself wants to put in these hours. Should he get fined for that? Compare that to the CEO's and politicians who have many side jobs themselves. Nobody bats an eye lid when that occurs. This guy was trying to pay off a debt as quickly as possible. The Netherlands is a country where there is a high intoletance for people with debts yet have all kinds of systems and laws in place where it's made impossible to get rid of those when you aren't super filthy rich.
As for the snitch. If there is one thing I learned working in The Netherlands. No matter how friendly and cool your coworkers seem to be they often can't wait to throw you under the bus. Especially if it improves their position or think it is going to improve their situation. Never ever trust them.
@@kenjiPhoenix61 Same boat here. Got denied further sysadmin rights because my coworker ratted me out for talking about salary with him.(Despite him telling me too, but i didn't rat on him...)
It wasn't the co-workers business...until he told him. That's his fault.
So not only is he ordered to pay large sums of money in his divorce but he can't take on another job to create the income to pay off those divorce fees, while paying his bills and supporting himself? Where the hell is the money supposed to come from? Is he supposed to shit out the money? Does he also have kids that he's ordered to pay child support to? Stupid laws like this are part of the reason why men off themselves.
In Holland, nobody has a problem with health insurance. And there is welfare for poorer people that is adequate. There are things that you don’t get in the USA.
And of course in this situation he did break a law in a society that he wants to live in. He should just move to the USA if he doesn’t want to criticized for having several jobs.
@@NotShowingOff so if slavery is allowed in your country it's fine to have slaves? the law isn't always correct and it must be criticized when its the case.
@@cenowador this really depends on where you draw the line. The lack of labor laws creates slavery. Because it is always in the corporation’s best interest to work you to death.
In this case, the person benefitted from the fact that because of labor laws, his first employer isn’t working him to death, so he went out and got a second job. But everything comes at a price. You can’t say that you want PTO and hours off and go ahead and break at your own convenience.
In the USA, the ppl with more than one job really need the income because other forces make living so expensive.
@@NotShowingOff Right. But how are the divorce and family courts in Holland? I'll wager they are just like how it is in any other Western nation. That's not any better. You saw in the video that his lawyer fees are 20000 euros. So how's he gonna pay that off? 🤷♂
Furthermore I assure you no one in all of North America is being criticized by their peers for working a second job. That sounds like some crab-in-the-bucket, communist mentality to me.
@@briana.9395 nobody is criticized for working two jobs because they are jobs that nobody wants to work. Plus in the USA there are NDAs for the more lucrative jobs.
The more common thing is someone is working from home, and then have their own side hustle. Which is a lot easier when you can work from home:
It seems companies have become extremely toxic where they think they own you and you live for them and only them
at the same time they pay you peanuts
they do own you for that period of time. you exchange time for money, if you're paid for 8 hours you should work for 8 hours. if you have 2 full time jobs, my expectations are that you work 16 hours daily. otherwise, you're trash and cheating the company.
@@robert8930 Micromanagement like yours will only last so long bud. Good luck with your company, I don't see it lasting long in these changing times. In fact, I bet you are seeing more and more people "cheat" your company given that you are whining and crying like a little baby.
Little do you know your employees are intentionally doing this not because they'd do it to all employers but because they think you are garbage not worth working hard for. I know this because my employees never cheat me since I treat them right and evaluate them by their results and not hourly like a m!()!#@#ron.
@@robert8930 we are seeing many companies fold right now, and i bet yours will be one of them and the whole time you'll be blaming all your employees. If you have any good workers, no worries I'll poach them and have a company that focuses on results, not focus on useless metrics on making sure everyone worked "x" hours. changing times, you are either a boomer who hasn't adjusted to workers. Them negotiating for higher salaries and proper work hours is part of "business". You not adapting to it means your days are numbered. Once you lose your top talent because of arrogance, that means your days are numbered.
@W and im ok with u having 2 jobs if you allocate 8 hours to each. im against those that do 2 jobs on company time
Thankfully, this kind of contract is illegal where I'm from because of "Freedom to work". Basically, so long as I'm not working for a competitor or sharing insider information, I can work as many jobs as I can take on. An employer can't restrict me that way.
Like ,Ping Pong and I am the ball.And the company is the paddle.And that's it.
While we do have laws regarding maximum hours working a salary job, we don't have laws that prevent you from working a second job (generally). What the guy did is illegal because contracts here often state work hours during company operating hours. The fine is ridiculously high though, especially since they even said in court that they can't prove if he worked the hours or not...
You must read the contract and tell them to remove that clause. They usually will do it in America. You tell them that you work side gigs and freelance and will not work for competition.
Don’t ever tell your coworkers anything about you. They are never your friends.
"The CEOs of companies have their fingers in a bunch of other companies" Exactly.
This is why I dont share anything I dont want to lose with a "colleague". Alot of them are undercover jealous and will do their best to sabotage you, especially if you have a schedule or position they like. They will try and put you in a bad place if they thing they can get the upper hand.
Businesses have too much power over the employees.
You actually have more power than you think if you read the laws very carefully. Like once you become a secured party creditor, you get all your money that was set aside for federal and state level taxes back to you with the WBEN form. Go do yourself a favor and check out out! You can escape from the matrix.
Im from holland. these laws mostly exist to protect the employee from overwork as you say. But I agree, if you want to work 2 jobs and you can do it you should be able to do it. Although I doubt it is sustainable long term.
"overwork" = we don't want you to be better than the rest of us financially so we're going to throw a little communism your way
He could have contracted the second job as a freelancer, right? The messed up.
@@Joe-fj6dj lol then it is not law.
dude wanted to pay his divorce atttorney thats an acceptable ambition
Love how you mindlessly jump to the worst extreme conclusion that has no bearing on reality. Burnout from overwork is a very real thing, and it affects people physically and mentally. These protections exist for a reason, but they should definitely let people work multiple jobs if they want.
Why am I not surprised you’re just another wannabe finance guru trying to teach people about side hustles and “passive income” when you have no idea wtf you’re talking about.
Correct me if Im wrong but "AT Will" employment means you dont have an employment contract. As a matter of fact Ive been asked to sign agreements at "At Will" employers that say things like you cant have another job, and you cant outsource your job to another person. But, if it is not a contract then it is not binding! Sure they could fire you for it but they could fire you without cause. If they put a reason for firing you, say something about the signed agreement, seems a good lawyer could argue that you were under an employment contract.
At will just means the employer can terminate the job at any time, they don't need a reason they can do it with no legal ramifications. It also means you can leave any time for the same. At will jobs can still be by contract. There are still things like confidentiality agreements etc covered by contracts and these contracts can also include a 'sole employer clause'.
The Netherlands doens't have "at will" employement. We have actual contracts and rights, which are enforced both ways.
@@GreenPlasticWaterCan they do have at will empoyments aka uitzendkrachten
@@YiGzit technically no. Uitzendkrachten usually have a contract with the agencies. However it's one of the worst with regards to the collective labor agreements.
@@GreenPlasticWaterCan At Will has saved my butt at least once, as I was able to leave a toxic employer without notice, nor penalty. I pretty much clocked out, told the boss to mail the last check, and walked out. No burden of proving wrongdoing or going through a process was needed on my part. I wanted to leave, I left.
If you’re the “Don’t leave all your eggs in one basket” type (robust savings, additional income source, etc), at-will employment can allow you to flex leverage over an employer, or allow you to make fast moves.
However, if you do rely on the employer and have no fall-back, at-will can also be a curse.
I generally keep a robust savings, and make some money on the side in photography, so I find at-will to be a favorable arrangement.
I used to work 2 jobs, $15 an hour for my main job, and $11 an hour for my 2nd job, avg 55 hrs a week, being separate night and day shift so no overlapping.
Years ago, I did something similar.
Never trust colleagues - worst mistake of my life, just don’t do it. The people who want trust like that either are too immature to do well with it or have bad intention. No decent adults wants in on your potential firing….
I feel bad for the guy. He was in a tough position owing all that money, he got divorced, he found a solution, and he was brutally punished for it. “Rules for thee and not for me”
He should have played it smarter, if faced with divorce or high payments, work for less or not at all! Do not have to be enslaved!
Of course you will be called names and Oprah will sit on you! !
Bruhahah how do you verify that people in the office have "worked all their paid hours"? This is a silly concept for many jobs where you are not producing something in an assembly line but it's still too difficult to grasp for lawmakers after centuries
Yes, this sort of law only makes sense where your work has a direct impact on immediate personal safety. Examples are truck drivers, construction workers, police officers, etc. Burning out on the job could be fatal in those cases. But sitting at your desk and burning out? Come on.
Your timesheet verifies how many hours you worked. If you put down 40 hours
on your timesheet you get paid for 40 hours. If you did not work 40 hours then you effectively defrauded the company by getting paid for hours you did not actually work.
For IT jobs timesheets are common in Europe. In the US many (if not most) IT jobs are by salary
so it doesn't matter how many hours you work you only get that salary so no need to fill out a timesheet. Which many employers in the US take advantage of by having their employees work more than 40 hours a week with no extra pay. In Europe Hours limits can prevent companies from taking advantage of employees in this manner. But it this guys case it came back to hurt him as by working 2 full-time jobs he violated the legal working hours limit.
@@jefflewis4 not sure how any of what you said answers the question.
Yes we use time sheets in EU. Does that mean anyone can easily detect if someone has actually worked the time he wrote down or has been "padding" it? No it does not. Everybody and their dog has been "padding" the time sheet since time immemorial
@@Tie509 you can burn out on office jobs too, burn out is not physical, it is a mental condition where you are tired and start making mistakes and not be attentive.
You maybe don't understand this because you don't do jobs that require a lot of brain power so you get physically tired before you are mentally tired, but you can check older videos from Josh where he is talking about software development and burnout.
Everybody in EU is on state healthcare, so even if you burn out and hit people with a car when going home (or when going to the shop to buy food) because you are tired, it's still a cost for state healthcare.
@@marcogenovesi8570 If you 'padded' your timesheet then you did not work the hours you stated you worked. You lied to your employer, you committed a fraud, you broke the law. If you get away with the fraud fine, but if you get caught your timesheets will prove your fraud.
In this case that's exactly what happened when he was reported. They checked his timesheets and saw he reported 40 hours each week for both employers. It is not possible to work 80 hours within a 40 hour period. His timesheets confirmed his fraud which cost him both jobs, 33,000 Euros, and his unemployment benefits. When he claimed he worked evening and weekends (which did not match what he put on his timesheets) he also was in violation of the working hours act which limited him to only 60 hours per week.
If he were in the US on a salary, there is normally not a timesheet to fill out, so you can legally work 80 hours or more in a week. Some Employers do take advantage of this and overwork their employees, but you are not limited by law in how much you can earn.
Holland was like "lets not allow them to abuse employees like the US does", but yeah it can backfire isn't that the case for most laws. I do think dictating time off is dumb, but I also see where they landed to that conclusion maybe if the law said "you can't work over x hours for x employer" it would have worked.
He could have worked as a freelance contractor instead. The problem is also that he signed a contract prohibiting any kind of work for other competitors.
These clauses are to protect the employee and the employer. If a employee gets hurt, even while playing recreative football, the employer will have the pay the sick leave bill up to 2 years.
When I work 2 jobs I usually do a full day job and a partime evening job. And just tell my full time job I'm "in school"
[In the US] *Tortious Interference:* _A person who intentionally attempts to disrupt or damage the business dealings of another, which they themselves have no part in, has committed a civil offense._ All citizens have the right to enter contract with any party, so long as doing so does not break any other law (Employee contracts or agreements are not law). Outside influences on such contracts by un-involved persons is wrongful and potentially liable for suit in most jurisdictions, depending on the facts of the case. Not legal advice; consult a licensed attorney.
I run two businesses and an elected official. If I can own multiple businesses and they not interfere with each other then why can a employee. Oh I know when your an employee they own you.
When I was 18 working full-time at sears, I tried to get a second job to save money for college. Just something easy like 2-3 hours in the evening in the same Mall. Sears had me working the morning shift only for almost a year. That schedule was pretty set already. Well I stupidly told the manager my plan, asking that my working hours continue to stay the same as they had been so that I could get another job. She said no that wasn't a possibility and proceeded to switch up my work hours all over the darn place so that I couldn't get another job.
what should you have done instead?
Double standards much? I bet those companies are letting at least 2 people work for them… 😠
Had a guy work another job besides his position in our firm. Loads of his workload fell onto me since his hours clearly overlapped. Can't blame anyone but myself for letting it happen. Didn't snitch but I'm guessing that's what it happened here.
Should have snitched - the extra work was your great reward for protecting him
@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock 👍
the employee who snitched me out would also no longer be employed... or employable anywhere anymore period.
The big mistake that this guy made was he let someone else know about it in the company. One thing that I never understood is how naive and trusting people are of their coworkers. Having been in the work force for over 40 years, I see it all the time. People sharing personal details about their lives and livelihoods with their works "friends." Now, I do not know if he was discovered or he volunteered the information, but nevertheless, no coworker should be close enough to you to learn anything personal about you. No good can come of it.
Of course, you should be friendly with your coworkers, but remember, they are not your friends and the company is not your family. If there is someone that you like at your job by all means become actual friends with them WHEN YOU GET A NEW JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Punishing the employee for breaking a law that was obviously made for the welfare of employees is so bizarre.
So wasn't sure if I wanted to add something to the discussion but seeing some of the replies it might be good to provide some context on working in the Netherlands.
First off the Netherlands has a large number of social programs like unemployment/social security, healthcare for all and a basic pension for everyone with employers often providing an additional pension.
They are also mandated to provide at least 25 days PTO, sick leave (not limited or taken out of your PTO) including one holiday of at least two consecutive weeks (I think it's two but I might be mistaken).
Besides PTO certain days are mandatory holidays (Christmas etc), maternity leave (and even paternity leave) and more.
Over time/work is regulated including mandatory downtime/rest for the employee to prevent burnout/sickness.
Employers also can't "just" fire you and will have to prove in a court that they tried everything to make things work but it still didn't work or you broke the contract you signed and if the judge agrees they can fire you.
Letting people go because of economic hardship is also regulated to prevent companies from "dumping" employees on the taxpayer and is commonly only allowed when a severance package is agreed upon.to help the employees find another job.
In general Dutch laws tend to protect the people i.e by ensuring they are healthy, well rested and supported during hard times (like sickness or unemployment).
I hope this provides a bit more context and shows that applying "American" standards to this case is probably not the best reference.
Did the guy open his mouth and tell the coworker? Shouldn't do that.
You have to be willing to keep it secret and safe.
- "look at that lazy bum on unemployment"
- "back in my day loyalty meant something. You'd never get away with working 2 jobs."
Same people
They’re so comfortable with giving us astronomical lifelong debt, but to be punished for actually try to pay it is insane
Thats messed up that the co worker snitched on dude
everything to get some sweet promotion
@@marcogenovesi8570 lol he only prob getting a pat on the back
@@barkbush8048 maybe even some words of encouragement
In the UK we have the 40 hours working week rule, but you can voluntarily opt out.
Also, no matter what the contract of employment says, you can never sign away your legal rights.
This applies to those awful non-disclosure clauses, which are there to scare you but can't be enforced in a court of law (in England).
All great work Josh - keeps us all challenging the way they'd like us to be. x
I work two jobs. I love it. I'm crushing both.
I got fired from a part-time job I had for a couple years at a uni library because I was using *downtime* when we *weren't busy at all* to do some work on my second online job, and one of my bosses didn't like that too much. She'd already told me not to do it several months before under different circumstances, which I totally understood and ceased to do it. This time, I think she just took it personally and was looking for an excuse to get rid of me. I wasn't the only part-timer whose position was on the chopping block around that time.
Years ago I worked 2 and sometimes 3 jobs...different fields...what I did on my time was my business.
Mind u that was 47 years ago....
mind you the employee was working 2 jobs in the same 8 hours window. :)
Executives can sit on multiple corporate boards. Executives can double dip, but line workers sure can not. F'ckn rich people.
3:40 In EU in general the state provides health care and other support services to people so there is more incentive for the state to keep people from hurting themselves. So if the person "overworks" and screws up he ends up on state healthcare.
So it's not as simple decision as with US where the worker is on his own if he gets injured on the job, so it's fine to just let him be an adult and take his own decisions
I’ve never considered this, interesting.
If he’s got two jobs then he’s paying double taxes meaning he is paying twice already for the healthcare. And he will only ever use it as one person - because obviously he is only one person - so in fact he is making more money to the state. You are just being used to being treated as a slave. Don’t defend governments, they just want to enslave you. Wake up.
@@dimitrimelo2586 Not sure how paying double taxes for healthcare changes the fact that state doesn't want to pay for injured people.
State-funded healthcare works like an insurance, you are not paying millions in taxes every month (the cost of serious hospital treatment). So as long as few people get injured the state has enough money to pay, if too many get injured the state can't pay anymore.
You have no idea of how this works, please don't preach to others.
@@marcogenovesi8570 the state doesn’t ever pay for anything. “The state” doesn’t produce wealth. It only leeches off of ppl. If he is paying double taxes and not using it even once, he is making money to the state OF COURSE. There’s no state if there’s no tax payer. Seems like you missed math 101.
The cost of healthcare is not millions of dollars. That happens to be the price now is the US. STRICTLY BECAUSE OF LAWS AND GOVERNMENT. Should there be no government, healthcare would be not only affordable, it would be cheap and for the poor most likely free (really free, not government-free, because you should know by now that everything that comes from the government actually was stolen from the unwilling taxpayer or given by idioticy by the willing taxpayer.
So basically what you are saying now is that it is cheaper to pay for healthcare every month of your life even if you never use it - and disregarding inflation - than only pay the once you need it when you need it. Again seems like you missed math 101.
So before you keep on blabbing about “state-funded”, learn that there’s no such thing.
So, yes, if he’s been hired by two companies, the same paperwork had to be done twice, conferring twice as much in taxes.
And healthcare works as an insurance???? HAHAHAHAHAHA Dude, you are mega indoctrinated. They are taking your money EVERY SECOND YOU WORK just to sell you the idea that “hey, but dont get all full of yourself and get hurt because we are not here to treat you whenever you feel like hurting yourself!” And you bought it??? Break free of your slavery, dude. You should pay for what you use when you use it, period.
@@dimitrimelo2586 sorry what? Paying for something doesn't imply producing wealth. Even if I steal money I can then use it to pay for something. Paying is the act of using money to get something in return.
Regardless of how you see taxes, using tax money to do something is still "paying" for it.
"The cost of healthcare is not millions of dollars. That happens to be the price now is the US. STRICTLY BECAUSE OF LAWS AND GOVERNMENT. "
this shows you have no idea of why healthcare costs orders of magnitude more in the US than in the EU (or even Canada for that matter). They have laws and government too so why is the cost so low?
" that it is cheaper to pay for healthcare every month of your life even if you never use it "
You keep showing the class how you don't understand the concept of insurance
"You should pay for what you use when you use it, period."
but I don't have the money to pay for it, that's the whole point of insurances, which again you clearly don't understand
Companies pay a pittance but doesn't allow you to do other paid jobs. Companies need to know that they are paying for a 40 hour work week, they should not dictate what we do after that!
Oh Josh, I love your videos. Calling out the absolute bullshit companies do ❤️
How about no???
This is why you never tell your co-workers anything about anything. They are not your friends.
Just let the man work!
We're all discussing the reasons, but the main problem, the root of the problem was the damn divorce.
Moral of the story - dont divorce if you dont want to work 2 jobs and further snowball into more troubles.
Screw the contract. But he had it coming because he shared such sensitive information with an untrustworthy coworker. Always keep such things to yourselves, people. Especially if they break the terms of your contract 😉
The same CEO who want you to sign a contract which gives them 100% leverage and zero for you, including total loyalty to the company they run etc... are usually involved in multiple, high cashflowing side gigs / startups / companies either by shareholding, board membership or sometimes even being CEO on multiple projects... that is really greedy to expect the employee to not engage in any activity other than that single paying job while the higher-ups are able to leverage their position to triple and even quadruple their time/income ratio
This is legitimately a way to double dip 401ks too if it's allowed for you. People are able to retire in half the time maybe even sooner if they do 3-6 of them. It can be done but it depends on the nature of the work and extreme time management skills.
That’s huge
If you live modestly, you can also accomplish the same thing on your own by having your employer retirement, a Roth IRA, and even a third brokerage account. 10 years of contributions is like 30 years of work.
Great stategy
"What I do between the hours of 5pm and 1am is nobody's business but mine and my other business'" - Michael Scott
I did two full time jobs twice.. First time was for a year, 8 hours at an IT job during the day, 8 Hours at a factory at night (I wouldn't recommend doing it this way! Not healthy at all).
The seconds time I did 2 Remote IT jobs during the same hours, neither company knew, and I consistently exceeded all performance reviews at both jobs to the point where it sometimes made me wonder what some of the other employee's even did most of the time. There shouldn't be a problem with doing it this way. Getting the work done? Good. Who cares then!
So get a third job? Lol
Wow. I am from Holland. I never had a full time job, always been an entrepreneur. But damn, I never expected Holland to be this bad? Are you kidding me? WOw. Glad I am not a waggie here.
If companies paid their employees well this wouldn't be an issue
I don't know how Holland regulates this but in germany in nearly every contract I ve got there was a phrase that my employee has to allow side businesses or jobs and has always permissions as the mainjob to revalidate his decision. this makes sense to him of his employee steals Information to battle his employer on the market
11hr break in between probably has more to do with "taking" a job from somebody else...
Gotta keep those eu unemployment numbers down...for political purpose..
Nobody should have to work two jobs. But they should be allowed if they want to. If the company wants to pay enough that two jobs aren't necessary, that's one thing. But even then, if the work gets done, who cares.
Heres the article, you'll need to translate it. I used chrome. www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/life/artikel/5317861/ontslag-boete-werknemer-stiekem-twee-fulltime-banen
I bet that coworker didn't even get a raise; just ratted him out and got nothing for it
The pat on the head is good enough for them.
It all comes down to the writing of the contract itself.
In Europe we have FREELANCE workers (probably the same as AT-WILL in the USA, like you mentioned) and DEPENDENT workers. Both have different conditions, rules and benefits.
A DEPENDENT worker accepts, in the contract, to work for a specific period of the day for that company. He can't share working hours elsewhere.
On the other hand we have the FREELANCE worker who basically works by objectives (lawyers, doctors, accountants) but has NOT committed with working hours but instead with accomplishment of "objectives".
The guy you mentioned was clearly a DEPENDENT worker who was profiting from all the extra benefits they have (Social Security, Health, etc), that the FREELANCERS don't have, while pretending to be a FREELANCER. What he did was wrong and that's why the Court punished him.
Having said that, had he worked as a FREELANCER in 3 or 4 companies it would perfectly fine because that's expected of him. A FREELANCER is an ENTREPENEUR! A DEPENDENT worker commits exclusively to 1 specific company on those hours mentioned in the contract.
I remember went I worked at Walmart a woman I worked with worked two jobs. the store manager fired her when he found out. I never could understand why he fired her. it made it even more confusing when he commented "if you have time for a different company your not making enough time for ours". she worked 3rd shift and our schedule never changed. she never told me afterwards that she has no idea why she was fired b.c there was no conflicting issues between the two jobs.
I live in the Netherlands (Holland). Sad thing is this country is full of really dumb and silly laws. People get fined for literally anything… That’s a shame. This poor lad should never be asked to pay that amount of money especially since I can imagine he was trying to save up to eventually open its own business or whatever.
At least you don't go to prison for smoking weed/doing other drugs like it is here in Poland. One guy had a court case for possessing 0,007 grams of weed.
How is ghe law dumb? He signed a contract prohibiting him from working for competitors.
@@phoenix. Yes but a 33000€ fine? That's a yearly salary for a software developer, this is crazy. Netherlands has some stupid laws but Belgium isn't any better, like we can't work more than 38h per week....
@@przemekh4857 Okay but you can work as a freelancer more than 38 hours a week? Not sure about the fine, I don't know his salary, it does look high to me...
@@przemekh4857 It could have been worse for him, the fine originally was 120000€, another court reduced it to 33000€.
Reminds me when banks declared employees were not allowed to buy bitcoin because they would be thinking about it during work
company rats 🐀 is why i don't trust any co-workers. and the double standard and being judged for having a second job is so intense. also companies feel they can squeeze more out of employees.
The amount of times my full time job blamed any issues they had with me on the fact that i worked at a coffee shop on the weekends was so frustrating
In a few US states, non competes are unenforceable, meaning they can fire you but they wouldn’t get far if they tried to sue.
How was the IT company "damaged" by him working an unrelated job in Insurance?
RE: The 11 hours of non-work time.. This really sounds like some socialist BS/crabs in a bucket. We can't have certain people showing that it's possible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and be successful! Everyone has to be "equal", even if that (as always) means "equally impoverished".
You dumb? If they made the law of 11 hours of non-work time it was meant to protect the worker. Now, of course they should add some clause there saying "for the same company" or something like that.
"socialism" (at least the real one...) is meant to protect workers / common people from companies taking advantage and improve the condition of the less wealthy by offering good and cheap health care and education. Why do you think you there's so much inequality in US?
In many countries in europe building wealth is frowned upon. Your colleges will easily snitch on you, unlike in the usa were your manager might know but act as if they didn't. Exclusivity contracts are more common and labor laws pretty tight. People are supposed to rely on the government for health, education and retirement or even unemployment periods. Excessive spending or living a fancy life is seen as unreasonable.
I once worked for a company based in Germany that had offices in the US.
Often we would hear our German colleagues complaining to us about some other employee they felt wasn't doing his job or getting away with something he shouldn't be doing. It was odd how much time they spent worried about what the other employee was doing or not doing. Its not something you see as much in the US, maybe there more emphasis in Europe about everyone being treated equally than there is in the US.
@@jefflewis4 yeah, it's exactly that. They take equality too far. It's due to europe's long feudal history and the violent revolutions that took to end it.
The name of that system is COMMUNISM and what you call “employees” are actually slaves.
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Companies only pay you enough to pay your bills so you can’t save and become financially independent. This makes you dependent on the company for a living, and thus a slave to them.
Unironically, working 2 jobs made me a better and more efficient employee for the my first company.
That law you mention specifically refers to "employee". You can do whatever as a contractor, or as a combination of employment with contracts on the side, depending on local laws.
Not only he is divorced, unemployed but also have to play debt too. Fair judgement right there, kudos to the judge. /s
I’m from Europe. You can legally opt out of the working hours act (11 hour gap between shifts)
The mistake was not to take a contracting position instead. The labor laws in the EU don't apply to contractors and business owners - you can work 100 hours a week if you want.
Dutch contracts usually have a clause that prevents employees from working beside to their full time job. So yes, he broke his contracts.
If you want to start your own business / freelance, you have to talk to your employer. Usually they are reasonable in that sense.
Edit: Forgot to mention. Dutch law can and will hold companies accountable when someone becomes unfit to be able to work, and yes burn-out is a valid cause. So a company has a stack in protecting their employee from getting overworked.
PS: While technically correct since the case was in Sout Holland, it's The Netherlands. Holland is just two out of twelve provinces (North and South Holland).
People like this are ruining work from home for everyone. It is also a ridiculous cop out to say that the person is ‘getting all the work done’. Those same people will complain if they are micromanaged. Anyone for no micromanagement and WFH should endorse this position.
My company hires many remote workers... their performance is what matters, excuses are not as valid if we know they have multiple jobs, but get the job done correctly, I do not care what else is going on...
What does your company do and can you share the official website?
@@cosminonofrei I do web hosting and domain registration site is my username... been doing it for over 20yrs...
You are completely right, love your opinions.
What I’m most surprised at is that he didn’t get caught by State Administration first. In a lot of EU countries, employment is registered to the State Administration as a way to prevent various kind of frauds. If a new employee is already “registered” somewhere else, the company gets call back and told they can’t legally employ that person. And if they don’t, you’d probably hear from social security, unemployment or the taxman because the numbers wouldn’t not line up and they’d assume you’re committing some kind of fraud.
I think you overreact.
First, a person can hold 2 or as many jobs as it can, AS LONG AS he does not slack or makes mistakes due to being tired. There is always an "AS LONG AS". If it is true that he brought loses to one of his employers, then obviously he is not able to hold 2 jobs.
Second, that law is for employees. He could have gone as Self Employed (or equivalent), and negociate contracts as subcontractor. Could maybe have held 2 or more jobs (contracts). But he chose not to, and deceived his employer. And before you guys throw the "employers do that all the time", ask yourself: Did those 2 particular employers do so? If not, then he is in the wrong.
Most contacts I’ve ever had in the uk say you can’t have another job
First rule of overemployed club is don't talk about it.
This is beyond infuriating, as well as utterly terrifying...Idk, I say don't be loyal to a company, but do it in secret. Otherwise, you could be in Joshua flukes next video on something like this.
In some countries, it is illegal or considered highly unethical, especially highly socialized ones. The reasoning is it's hurting other people trying to get jobs. Even in ours, it's good ethics for your employers to know you work multiple jobs. In our country, it's not unusual for people to work 3 part-time jobs. Following your advice to get a raise by switching jobs would appear to be a better option in almost every case.
Haircut lookin' fresh 🔥🔥
I hope those companies goes bankrupt especially the one that took him to the court.