Radxa Zero 3W (or 3E) is what is recommended at the moment... Best latency with HDMI out. This setup I would trust with ground, water, and planes/wings where latency is not much of an issue. Keep the OpenIPC videos coming!
I agree with everything you’ve said..Most pilots at this point aren’t able to configure and 3D print a case for Radxa Zero 3W. It will take a manufacture to do that (which is very possible), but doesn’t exist yet at the moment. These are all good discussions for companies to see what’s needed next in the pipeline.
@@OneManUnmanned FYI MarioFPV has a video "Introducing OpenIPC Radxa Zero 3w - World’s Smallest and Lightest 120fps VRX Video Tutorial Part 2" there is a link in the description to a basic 3D STL file for the Radxa Zero 3W. Which could be a good starting point at least.
@nic.h not everyone has access to a 3D printer. I'm an early adopter of technology, and I only got my 1st printer last year. My point is that the average pilot is not going to jump through the hoops to make a system work. If it appears intimidating or not as simple as plugging in a cable, the users will be deterred and not even attempt it. I know Open IPC is a good system, but manufacturers have to jump on board and make the entire process more streamlined. I'm using products sent by a manufacturer and making the best of it. This system will get better with time and I'm looking forward to the potential goggles. BTW, MarioFPV has some great content on his channel... I've been binge watching over the past week.
@@OneManUnmanned I don't disagree that a complete product would be preferable to most. The point is that there are existing options that don't require significant effort. I no long have a 3d printer either, but would take probably less than 10 minutes to organise getting the STL printed. There are lots of print services these days. Anyway I get your point it's a barrier to entry, even if it's not a major one.
Great! But I think connectivity will be easier and faster when manufacturers release modules with the HDMI port, as well as making it more popular and accessible to everyone.
@@420247paul you're wrong, the app needs to output to the dongle, the dongle needs to convert into an HDMI signal (some have pretty slow refresh rates), and the goggle needs to re-convert the signal back to images. It adds delay.
There is a lot of wires, but it should get simpler in the future. I don’t have equipment to test latency accurately and there are too many variables to give a solid number. My first flight video, I talk about this in greater detail..I’ll link it below. ua-cam.com/video/VxJSc_aQyC0/v-deo.html
Guys you can do this with all your analog goggles as well, you just need an upscaler hdmi to rgb output. The goggles need to have an hdmi or video out port.
This is a VERY good Idea..Unfortunately I’ve tried this with multiple premium goggles including DJI and HDZero, and it does not work. I don’t know if it has to do with frame rates mis matching but its a scrambled mess.
@@OneManUnmanned yes it’s strange , but it does seem to work on a good amount of cheap old analog goggles . Like fly sight , or anything from fat shark with hdmi output, or video out. Good video, keep them coming.
We can fly with smartphone, only need the app to split screen and place smartphone in the cheap VR box. The screen of smartphone is much better than any FPV goggles. I fly FPV analog using only smartphone and VR glasses for long time.
@@OneManUnmanned You need to have the app from openIPC that have the split screen function. I use for analog Skydroid an Gofpv app on smartphone. So if can do this for digital will be great
Love the idea but no one’s going to run all these cables. Finicky as hell and it would be a troubleshooting nightmare. People already struggle setting up elrs.
I don’t have the proper equipment to test latency, but I did fly it and it does exist. I talk about it in detail on my 1st Flight video. ua-cam.com/video/VxJSc_aQyC0/v-deo.html
It is really inexpensive? Plus, open source does not inherently make anything inexpensive. The cost of the gear on the quad is actually pretty close to that of the other HD digital systems. Where the real cost comes in is in the goggles. As far as I know, Open IPC has NO goggles. Yeah, you have to use some expensive HD goggles that you bought for some other system. So, why not just keep that system? Consider someone who has NO HD goggles or even monitor. The cost of the high end goggles goes into the cost of the Open IPC system, just like any other. So, in reality, the cost is not that much different than the other HD digital systems. Plus, the costs for the other systems seems to be coming down. So, I certainly would not say the Open IPC is cheaper. Not really. It is just different. Fine if you need that, not so much if you don't. Never mind using Linux for configuration. Come on. That is simply ludicrous.
If you have HDZero, you don't necessarily need OpenIPC. We don't know the full capability of the system yet, so we don't know it's strength and weaknesses as of yet. All digital systems are different.. some offer great penetration, or latency, while others provide great image quality or affordability.
With this specific setup, you'll need the phone to do the decoding. There are some other VRX that don't require a phone, but at this time is a DIY setup. You'll have to buy the board, do the configuration, and print a case for it.
Wait... Still need a phone to get image to the HDzero goggles?!?!? That's to bad. Image looks so good, but always needing an Android device and cables and converter plugs... No. Nope.
@@OneManUnmanned that's to bad, to much clutter and cables to get an image. Decoding in that VRX and then just plug it in the side of the HDzero goggles would be the goal right? Heck... If they manage that, they could aim for analog goggles that take a plugin VRX as well. That would be awesome for them to achieve.
@@OneManUnmannedThey're already being teased in video for the patrons on MarioFPV's channel and have been confirmed as under development several times on official OpenIPC platforms.
Where can I currently buy such computer, and does it come already programmed with a protective case? The point of these videos are to highlight what manufactures are currently doing with the Open IPC project, and how user-friendly it’s slowly becoming. Open IPC has been out for ages, but the product is somewhat ready for prime-time(hence all the attention now) since big manufacturers have joined in. There is still some ways to go, and part of that is not having user friendly VRX/Goggles.
@@OneManUnmanned Radxa Zero 3W. I replied to an earlier comment on this video to a basic 3D STL file for it. You'll have to load the software, but it's not difficult from what I've seen.
Understood..I can do that, but what if I don't know how to program our own a PC? I'm simply showing the current state of the industry and OpenIPC as a whole. Plus MarioFPV has some great tutorials on that. I will definitely look into the Radxa Zero 3W.
I know. Since v2 has both 2.4 and 5.8ghz receivers then there is a possibility to develop openipc protocols and replace it with djis. But it may need getting rid of the entire dji firmware. I think it is not easy but even not possible without knowing some drivers etc
@@dukevah Different rf chips. Openipc is using off the shelf wifi hardware with some hacked drivers the DJI is using an asic sdr that has completely unrelated architecture (it's based off modified 4g chips I believe) it's like saying you want an old frsky d16 radio to bind to ELRS. In theory with it being sdr they might be able to emulate the wifi chip but, that's a lot to ask and might not even be possible nor would I expect it to perform well if it were.
Radxa Zero 3W (or 3E) is what is recommended at the moment... Best latency with HDMI out. This setup I would trust with ground, water, and planes/wings where latency is not much of an issue. Keep the OpenIPC videos coming!
I agree with everything you’ve said..Most pilots at this point aren’t able to configure and 3D print a case for Radxa Zero 3W. It will take a manufacture to do that (which is very possible), but doesn’t exist yet at the moment. These are all good discussions for companies to see what’s needed next in the pipeline.
@@OneManUnmanned FYI MarioFPV has a video "Introducing OpenIPC Radxa Zero 3w - World’s Smallest and Lightest 120fps VRX Video Tutorial Part 2" there is a link in the description to a basic 3D STL file for the Radxa Zero 3W. Which could be a good starting point at least.
@nic.h not everyone has access to a 3D printer. I'm an early adopter of technology, and I only got my 1st printer last year. My point is that the average pilot is not going to jump through the hoops to make a system work. If it appears intimidating or not as simple as plugging in a cable, the users will be deterred and not even attempt it. I know Open IPC is a good system, but manufacturers have to jump on board and make the entire process more streamlined. I'm using products sent by a manufacturer and making the best of it. This system will get better with time and I'm looking forward to the potential goggles. BTW, MarioFPV has some great content on his channel... I've been binge watching over the past week.
@@OneManUnmanned I don't disagree that a complete product would be preferable to most.
The point is that there are existing options that don't require significant effort. I no long have a 3d printer either, but would take probably less than 10 minutes to organise getting the STL printed. There are lots of print services these days.
Anyway I get your point it's a barrier to entry, even if it's not a major one.
@nic.h understood
Great! But I think connectivity will be easier and faster when manufacturers release modules with the HDMI port, as well as making it more popular and accessible to everyone.
I definitely agree, but what do we do in the interim?
each dongle, adapter and cable add a couple of mili-seconds of delay. this reminds me PS2 mouse to USB to Micro-USB to USB-C
Very true on the added delays..
no it doesnt it should be just as good as native it isnt re processing it shit moves at the speed of light homie
@@420247paul adapters add latency through resistance being increased at the connectors
@@420247paul you're wrong, the app needs to output to the dongle, the dongle needs to convert into an HDMI signal (some have pretty slow refresh rates), and the goggle needs to re-convert the signal back to images. It adds delay.
@@leaoaugusto exactly, what type of latency are we talking about is the question
Hd Zero My Dream goggles 🤤
I was wondering about doing this. Thanks for working it out!!
Very interesting, way too much going on to make it work to make it very inviting for me. What’s the latency like with this setup?
There is a lot of wires, but it should get simpler in the future. I don’t have equipment to test latency accurately and there are too many variables to give a solid number. My first flight video, I talk about this in greater detail..I’ll link it below. ua-cam.com/video/VxJSc_aQyC0/v-deo.html
I have a question that can you use it with dji goggles 3 because you can connect open ipc with your phone and then livestream your phone to goggles 3
We could also use it with fpv adapters for phones such as the DroneMask 2
Yeah, that would be a viable option..I don’t own one though.
Guys you can do this with all your analog goggles as well, you just need an upscaler hdmi to rgb output. The goggles need to have an hdmi or video out port.
This is a VERY good Idea..Unfortunately I’ve tried this with multiple premium goggles including DJI and HDZero, and it does not work. I don’t know if it has to do with frame rates mis matching but its a scrambled mess.
@@OneManUnmanned yes it’s strange , but it does seem to work on a good amount of cheap old analog goggles . Like fly sight , or anything from fat shark with hdmi output, or video out. Good video, keep them coming.
The best way to record hdmi with hdz , is using the expension port wifi, and you rtsp the stream right off the optics
We can fly with smartphone, only need the app to split screen and place smartphone in the cheap VR box. The screen of smartphone is much better than any FPV goggles.
I fly FPV analog using only smartphone and VR glasses for long time.
How do you get a modern phone to enter VR mode to get the split screen?
@@OneManUnmanned You need to have the app from openIPC that have the split screen function.
I use for analog Skydroid an Gofpv app on smartphone. So if can do this for digital will be great
i'll bet you could use a PI 4 or 5 running android as the PI has HDMI ports on it.
I’ll check it out..Thanks.
An RPI gives you the option to run 2x wifi/network cards, the Radxa only has a single usb port.
@@semadragunthere are also mini usb hubs that you can use to plug in
@@semadragunThe RadXa can be configured for multiple cards via the GPIO pins quite easily.
@@krazed0451 Oh wow ok, I'll have to look into it further, would be good to see a comparison test of an RPI4 vs a Radxa 3W.
You are using MX Linux brother ?
No, I’m using Windows and Android Dex(which I don’t know if its a form of Linux).
Love the idea but no one’s going to run all these cables. Finicky as hell and it would be a troubleshooting nightmare. People already struggle setting up elrs.
Haha..True. It will get better with time, Thanks!
Thanks for the video how's the latency?
I don’t have the proper equipment to test latency, but I did fly it and it does exist. I talk about it in detail on my 1st Flight video. ua-cam.com/video/VxJSc_aQyC0/v-deo.html
It is really inexpensive? Plus, open source does not inherently make anything inexpensive. The cost of the gear on the quad is actually pretty close to that of the other HD digital systems. Where the real cost comes in is in the goggles. As far as I know, Open IPC has NO goggles. Yeah, you have to use some expensive HD goggles that you bought for some other system. So, why not just keep that system? Consider someone who has NO HD goggles or even monitor. The cost of the high end goggles goes into the cost of the Open IPC system, just like any other. So, in reality, the cost is not that much different than the other HD digital systems. Plus, the costs for the other systems seems to be coming down. So, I certainly would not say the Open IPC is cheaper. Not really. It is just different. Fine if you need that, not so much if you don't. Never mind using Linux for configuration. Come on. That is simply ludicrous.
I wonder, if you already have HDZero, why use OpenIPC?😅
If you have HDZero, you don't necessarily need OpenIPC. We don't know the full capability of the system yet, so we don't know it's strength and weaknesses as of yet. All digital systems are different.. some offer great penetration, or latency, while others provide great image quality or affordability.
Umm Latency.... it' can't fly well,,
It does have latency…It should get better in the future with native goggles.
@@OneManUnmanned but how much?
Not on my goggles L or G2 unfortunately
Unfortunately No inputs on those goggles 😢
you cant just use usbc => mini hdmi cable? or usbc => hdmi and hdmi => mini hdmi? you REALLY need a phone? i think its unnecessary and adds latency
With this specific setup, you'll need the phone to do the decoding. There are some other VRX that don't require a phone, but at this time is a DIY setup. You'll have to buy the board, do the configuration, and print a case for it.
@@OneManUnmanned aight bet, will you make video about that in the near future?
I would if it means saving money or getting a lighter vtx for sub 250s
@@aaroncordle2465 i would pay $10-$15 extra to have cleaner connection to goggles and smaller latency
Wait... Still need a phone to get image to the HDzero goggles?!?!?
That's to bad.
Image looks so good, but always needing an Android device and cables and converter plugs...
No. Nope.
The phone does the decoding... You can't just plug it into a port.
It's also why this is still in the Alpha phase...Def not ready for the general public.
@@OneManUnmanned that's to bad, to much clutter and cables to get an image.
Decoding in that VRX and then just plug it in the side of the HDzero goggles would be the goal right?
Heck... If they manage that, they could aim for analog goggles that take a plugin VRX as well. That would be awesome for them to achieve.
Radxa Zero 3W is an alternative option. Still not as clean as integrated into goggles, but those are in the works.
@@FATSNAIL-FPV Fatsnail lol...cool name
Test flight now ❤️
Maybe today or tomorrow.
First
Notification crew... Thanks!
Orqa goggles record HDMI in
I appreciate that insight and update...Hopefully it helps pilots with those goggles. Thanks 😊
There are goggles coming soon for openipc.
There are rumors that's it's being worked on, but no timeline.
@@OneManUnmanned It's not a rumour their being worked on. 😃😎
@@OneManUnmannedThey're already being teased in video for the patrons on MarioFPV's channel and have been confirmed as under development several times on official OpenIPC platforms.
Why did you do such a perversion? You don't need a smartphone here. There is a ground station on a single-board computer with an HDMI output.
Where can I currently buy such computer, and does it come already programmed with a protective case? The point of these videos are to highlight what manufactures are currently doing with the Open IPC project, and how user-friendly it’s slowly becoming. Open IPC has been out for ages, but the product is somewhat ready for prime-time(hence all the attention now) since big manufacturers have joined in. There is still some ways to go, and part of that is not having user friendly VRX/Goggles.
@@OneManUnmanned Radxa Zero 3W. I replied to an earlier comment on this video to a basic 3D STL file for it. You'll have to load the software, but it's not difficult from what I've seen.
Understood..I can do that, but what if I don't know how to program our own a PC? I'm simply showing the current state of the industry and OpenIPC as a whole. Plus MarioFPV has some great tutorials on that. I will definitely look into the Radxa Zero 3W.
Niiiiice 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks!
wHO THE HELL IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE ALL THAT CRAP HOOKED UP WHEN YOU GO FLY.
How else are you going to fly it? Thanks Butch!
@@OneManUnmanned With a raddx
It's too bad the DJI goggles don't have HDMI. If they did I would have bought them a long time ago.
Yeah, true.
What if wtf.os developers develop new firmware to just work with openipc. No need for extra receiver etc
That would be awesome, but the protocols are totally different.
I know. Since v2 has both 2.4 and 5.8ghz receivers then there is a possibility to develop openipc protocols and replace it with djis. But it may need getting rid of the entire dji firmware. I think it is not easy but even not possible without knowing some drivers etc
@@dukevah DJI isn't likely to encourage it. They like the lock in
@@dukevah Different rf chips. Openipc is using off the shelf wifi hardware with some hacked drivers the DJI is using an asic sdr that has completely unrelated architecture (it's based off modified 4g chips I believe) it's like saying you want an old frsky d16 radio to bind to ELRS. In theory with it being sdr they might be able to emulate the wifi chip but, that's a lot to ask and might not even be possible nor would I expect it to perform well if it were.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 I agree. We ask too much from these amazing guys.