how about this? I cam here thinking I'd find out more about a real airplane and i get a game that doesn't appear to reflect anything real at all. It's total bs.
In real life probably not, or at least not anymore than another b17's gunners. Main issue these planes had was keeping up with the bloody formation they were supposed to protect
It was a Gunship version that was designed to shoot at enemy fighters rather than conduct a bombing raid like the original B17 when P51/P47 escort fighters were not present with the bombers.
Wonder what would have happened if they used a flight of these as sort of a Q-ship just to draw the enemy fighters in. Then Bang I would have put a 20MM in tail.
Antonluisre no not quite, just one with a few thousand pounds more weight and an increase of exactly 0 horsepower. They were too slow to keep up. Kinda goes along the lines of the Fw190A8/R2, which also had heavier weapons but, also had heavy armor plating, which made it easy prey for escorts.
Rob Bader Well not just that, that's just too critical. What they did with this bomber was get rid of the bomb bays and replace them with a MASSIVE ammunition rack, and added several more .50 cal turrets to make this plane essentially a Gunship, as a stop gap measure for long range bomber escorts such as the P-51 and the P-38, with the P-47. I personally think that the designers were morons in not realizing that you could take this bomber, reduce the ammo by half, add one bomb bay and you'd essentially get a Gunship which could do low level heavy ground attack missions, akin to the AC-130. Slow speed, heavily armored/armed, and in WWII, not vulnerable to SAMS.
U should look at it like ,.. The Real Flying Fortress As mentioned , too heavy too play a supporting role, an Experiment, not totally wrong, since many B-17 crews also would Upgrade their Plane with Extra MG,s. For example frontside Cockpit. B-40 was meant to be a prey, but like the Yamato, and Bismark, a BIG Failure. When low flying an easy Target for AA....
Very little is known about the YB-40 other than what's on Wikipedia and in the book "Flying Forts" (which can't be relied on as being accurate). I have been to the Thunder Over Michigan Airshow many years and talked to the men currently restoring B-17s to flying status and they also have little knowledge of the YB-40. There are claims that the front chin turret had up to six guns, but that could be all myth. The ships had difficulty ascending, meeting formation and keeping up after the bomb run so the project was considered a failure. But as a result the front remote controlled chin turret, front cheek extensions/plexi window arrangements, staggered waist gunner positions became standard on all B-17G models.
More nimble and faster Havocs, Mitchells and Marauders would have made better long range escorts than a B-17 and could have been armed with more guns than they typically carried including 20 mm cannons which would have been far more effective than the few extra .50 cals this bird carried.
would not have flown worth a crap. the additional weight of the turret, guns, additional ammo would have screwed up the balance point so bad, the bomb load would have been downgraded so much it to be non existant.
B-17s serving as gun platforms, carrying no bombs, but lots of extra .50 cal ammo, were a common feature of bomber formations over Europe. Particularly before the advent of long range escort fighters. So not exactly a radical concept.
I don't think the pilot position(or co-pilot for that matter) EVER had a gun position. Diference is the waist-hand held positions are now twins. The single "skylight position" is now a power operated twin turret,instead of a single hand held. So up from 13 to 16 guns. BUT the placement of the positions are the same as they were
Is it only me or are B-17s so satisfying to look at?
No m8----I agree with that fella
Nope not just you!
If I could have a fantasy come true it would be as a waist Gunner. Then I would be a manly man
YB-40 Designers: *"So how many guns do you want on this B-17 Flying Fortress variant."*
US AIR FORCE: *"Y E S ! ! !"*
How any ignorant could vote this wonderful work down is utterly incomprehensible to me.
Excellent work, as usual, sir!
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how about this? I cam here thinking I'd find out more about a real airplane and i get a game that doesn't appear to reflect anything real at all. It's total bs.
Cool to see B-17’s flying with B24’s
The true Flying Fortress
This is now my new favorite plane
did the bombers cause much damage to other bombers in the formation in cross fire ??? i can't see how they could avoid this...
2 words, ‘Trigger Discipline’
In real life probably not, or at least not anymore than another b17's gunners. Main issue these planes had was keeping up with the bloody formation they were supposed to protect
This Flying Fortress has 2 turrets on top!
It was a Gunship version that was designed to shoot at enemy fighters rather than conduct a bombing raid like the original B17 when P51/P47 escort fighters were not present with the bombers.
Good video keep up the good work
Good plane perfect for Make a Old 666 From Pacific
Love that story.
Touche'.
Luftwafe fighters really scared by your plane - they even not shoot at it! ))
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Wonder what would have happened if they used a flight of these as sort of a Q-ship just to draw the enemy fighters in. Then Bang I would have put a 20MM in tail.
yank1776 The USA never managed to get good reliability out of the 20mm cannon we had in service during the war
*Needs More Guns*
Top Secret never enough guns tbh
Nick Gong Yeah, because this thing was slower than the regular B-17: Had to shoot its ammo to get faster!
The YB-40 gunship is reported to have carried up to 64,000 rounds of ammunition to feed the 14 .50 caliber guns.
Feindflug!
So basically this is a beefed up version of the B-17.
Antonluisre no not quite, just one with a few thousand pounds more weight and an increase of exactly 0 horsepower. They were too slow to keep up. Kinda goes along the lines of the Fw190A8/R2, which also had heavier weapons but, also had heavy armor plating, which made it easy prey for escorts.
Rob Bader Well not just that, that's just too critical. What they did with this bomber was get rid of the bomb bays and replace them with a MASSIVE ammunition rack, and added several more .50 cal turrets to make this plane essentially a Gunship, as a stop gap measure for long range bomber escorts such as the P-51 and the P-38, with the P-47. I personally think that the designers were morons in not realizing that you could take this bomber, reduce the ammo by half, add one bomb bay and you'd essentially get a Gunship which could do low level heavy ground attack missions, akin to the AC-130. Slow speed, heavily armored/armed, and in WWII, not vulnerable to SAMS.
Antonluisre tt il og man
U should look at it like ,.. The Real Flying Fortress
As mentioned , too heavy too play a supporting role, an Experiment, not totally wrong, since many B-17 crews also would Upgrade their Plane with Extra MG,s.
For example frontside Cockpit.
B-40 was meant to be a prey, but like the Yamato, and Bismark, a BIG Failure.
When low flying an easy Target for AA....
Very little is known about the YB-40 other than what's on Wikipedia and in the book "Flying Forts" (which can't be relied on as being accurate). I have been to the Thunder Over Michigan Airshow many years and talked to the men currently restoring B-17s to flying status and they also have little knowledge of the YB-40. There are claims that the front chin turret had up to six guns, but that could be all myth.
The ships had difficulty ascending, meeting formation and keeping up after the bomb run so the project was considered a failure. But as a result the front remote controlled chin turret, front cheek extensions/plexi window arrangements, staggered waist gunner positions became standard on all B-17G models.
AI guided bombers in formation flying into each other?
So many bombers ran into eachother after they finished the bombing run, youd figure there would be a way to fix that.
More nimble and faster Havocs, Mitchells and Marauders would have made better long range escorts than a B-17 and could have been armed with more guns than they typically carried including 20 mm cannons which would have been far more effective than the few extra .50 cals this bird carried.
Muy bueno steven, saludos
That B17 looks like the 666 B17
She was a converted B17 that was converted into a aerial photograph platform and had extra guns added.
Is this thing from cup or bat mod?
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Only 45 was ever buildt and dont understand the 4 extra tonns 1 gun weigth 38kg must be the turret then maybe armour plates.
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but it did not.
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would not have flown worth a crap. the additional weight of the turret, guns, additional ammo would have screwed up the balance point so bad, the bomb load would have been downgraded so much it to be non existant.
B-17s serving as gun platforms, carrying no bombs, but lots of extra .50 cal ammo, were a common feature of bomber formations over Europe. Particularly before the advent of long range escort fighters. So not exactly a radical concept.
paul m obviously knows fuck all about the idea of using bombers as gun platforms.
they didn't carry bombs it was designed as a escort bomber. there to shoot down enemy aircraft
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Germany: DONT FIGHT THE AMERICANS YB-40 ITS DANGEROUS
Japan: There **** lol
YB-40: *cries*
B-29: Let me Introduce my self.
You know nothing about B52s. Simple things like engine start up.
Seems to be missing the forward mounted machine gun the pilot could fire.
I don't think the pilot position(or co-pilot for that matter) EVER had a gun position. Diference is the waist-hand held positions are now twins. The single "skylight position" is now a power operated twin turret,instead of a single hand held. So up from 13 to 16 guns. BUT the placement of the positions are the same as they were
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