The human voice is silent becuase its in there head . The zetans would know what he was thinking thus subtitles . Thats also why you can hear the zetans .
Now that i think about it, the person could have been NOT an american- but a chinese PLA official- General Jingwei in O:A spoke "chinese" but had english subtitles.
Too right to missing stuff, I rely heavily on the subtitles to fill me in on stuff, you'd miss the little jokes and jabs of passers by if you have them off. How would I know that a number of the Diamond City Guards got shot in the ass last year without my subtitles on?
What if the zetans just didn’t want humans to go into space? In fallout 4 in the very beginning the sole survivor states that their resources are running out. If the zetans didn’t like humans wouldn’t it be better to keep them in their own area away from the zetans so they wouldn’t have to deal with them?
That's what I was thinking as well, weren't the Vault Tec vault experiments to test how humans react in confined spaces in various scenarios for the purpose interplanetary colonisation? Maybe the Zetans didn't like that.
Exactly what I thought. Ox almost went there and I'm surprised he didn't. Keep going with the idea that the Earth is like an ant farm for them. Now imagine you had an ant farm and the ants developed tech to escape it. You'd at least shake it up, right?
Well.. How many planets do you think are out there? There's no scarcity of resource or distance in space. Unless Beth themselves gave reasons why zetans would want to cripple a would-be spacefaring people, I don't think this idea is one of the more likely ones. I think the war itself is more likely to have brought the zetans to earth. Many nukes going off at once would give a very particular signal, something an intelligent race wouldn't expect from a non-star body without intelligent life being involved. Ppl could argue this is unlikely too, because it's not like our own SETI has born much fruit in finding intelligent signals in the blackness of space, but it's good for fiction and makes relatively few assumptions.
@Mark81150: Indeed. I'm not even slightly convinced by his arguments for the Zetans having no reason to start the war either. Nor do I find his arguments for why they COULDN'T have started it particularly convincing (we are talking about a species capable of some level of mind control after all.) Hell, you could even argue that if we were studying their technology to allow for our own rapid advancements in tech, that we would have already ruined one potential level of interest they may have had in studying mankind. Cultural development. @pixel Biscuits: First, there's evidence the Zetans had been studying humans/the earth LONG before the war as was stated in this video. With that in mind, it's unlikely the war had anything to do with their coming to earth; even in regard to the visit where they kidnap you. Second, there doesn't need to be a resource scarcity issue to breed conflict. It may be one of the major ones here on earth, but it isn't required. As Mark81150 stated, these aren't humans we're talking about so their reasoning could include basically anything. Maybe they just didn't like us stealing their technology so they decided to get revenge on a planetary scale. Or perhaps the earth is just a random planet in a part of the galaxy that they consider their own empire and they don't want humanity forcing them to redraw their borders. It's even possible they just didn't like the look of our faces and couldn't allow us to pollute the galaxy with our brand of ugly. Who knows. Debating motivation is fairly pointless considering how little we know about them or even how much we had already done in space in the Fallout universe. All that being said, I'm not all that convinced they were behind it either. As amusing as the idea may be, there isn't that much evidence to support it and it just seems to fit better with the "nuclear naïve" society they crafted for the Fallout universe to have then destroyed itself with nukes.
But then why not erraticate them early on? I mean the zetans don't really show emotion, so it would be the most logical to again deal with them before they got out of control. My theory is that they possibly were more observing humans, and once they saw the notably dangerous weapons being created and our willingness to use them; that the zetans decided to put a stop to it. Not entirely killing all humans, but much rather putting a stop to the nuclear weapons.
@@activatewindows9589 I mean it's not obobvious. There could be several different theories. Such as: The person was being tortured and drugged making them Confused
That's still being debated IRL (USAF denies it), but having the military shirk off civilian imposed safeguards in the name of expediency is very-much something that would take place in the fallout universe. Just look at the password to get into the National Guard bunker (or hey! the Fort Constantine launch codes!). To quote spaceballs, "That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!"
the zetans seem to need humans, a major subplot of mother ship zeta is that the Zetans were trying to combine zetan and human DNA likely to improve their physically weak bodies. The zetan human hybrids are much larger and stronger than typical zetans.
Several responses to your points; 1 Why did the aliens not destroy the human race when it would have been easier when we had much less sophisticated technology? Simple, primitives killing each other with pointy bits of metal tied to sticks are not a threat to anyone except themselves. Warlike, advanced species with sophisticated technology, including space-craft, nuclear weapons and lasers are a threat to the entire galaxy. As long as we were captives to our own gravity well, we were nothing but an interesting scientific subject. Once we were able to go into space, set up colonies on Mars, etc., we were dangerous and hence, needed to be removed. 2 Why did the aliens manipulate us to kill each other, rather than create a plague or something? That assumes that they had any interest in preserving the biosphere in the first place. Maybe, their only concern was to study species to determine if they were a threat. The rapid advancement of human race during the lifetime of one of their research vessels demonstrates that they do not experience time the way we do. We went from pointy sticks to plasma weapons - weapons that pretty much rival their own technology. Since they only had a couple of ships available, and those were research ships, maybe it was just easier to let us kill ourselves off; or keep us penned to our one planet. I do not necessarily but into the "aliens started it" theory; but I think your refutation of that needs a little work. However it is fun to discuss, so thanks for making the video!
Yeah, I think you're pretty spot on regarding the logic in the video. Our resources are almost certainly irrelevant, and humanity was treated as a science project rather than a threat *until* we started to reverse engineer their toys. Which makes me think another interesting possibility might be something along the lines of a prime directive with extreme prejudice scenario. What if they were obligated to use the mother ship's death ray on things like Area 51? That death ray looked like it would create a pretty big mushroom cloud... so, maybe they started the war when they vaporized one of our reverse engineering sights, but the resulting explosion was mistaken by the US government for a nuclear strike, thus triggering a "retaliation", neh? It also sorta raises the question, I wonder what Eliot and Sally are up to during FO4? Are they still up there just hanging out?
Yeah honestly I agree with you. But remember that Bethesda owns the lore. And they’ve shown that that really don’t give two shits about it. Literally retconned so much lore just to fit fallout 76 within it. For all I know, Bethesda is probably gonna twist the Great War lore just to create more money for themselves
Gio_wenilenipaniyeni That's what I was thinking. I'd rather it just be the fault of humans, but advanced telepathic aliens, in a science fiction story, could possible be the creators of vault Tec and a good reason as to why vault Tex wanted to do such experiments. After all, most of those experiments don't seem like something humans would need to experiment about at that point in history. They ought to be well documented human behaviors at that point. So they either need to be completely uninvolved, or completely behind everything for it to make sense.
Pardon me, Kind Generous Great Gentleman Sir. Because the entire human existence was an experiment that the zeta ended but failed because life continues
A robot in FO2 claimed that the war was started by supercomputers. Regardless, the aliens wanting information isn't the same as the aliens wanting to use that information.
@@magnuschristianssen8999 I think there's a protocol in place for a response in the event that the President is either unable to order either because of communications breakdown or simple inability to reach some silos, but an exchange has been confirmed, or there is a confirmed exchange with another country but there is effectively no Government to respond to a request for permission.
technically Sean does not have uncorrupted DNA. he was there when the bomb went off, and as I'm sure you know, radiation travels at the speed of light. he got dosed with a fuck ton of radiation.
Aself101 Not really. The X and Gama rays are the only ones that could do that much damage in that short a time frame, and being so high energy they tend to fade quickly. Alpha and Beta particles hadn't shown up yet, you know the actual fallout? So no he's probably fine. Don't look at the blast, and avoid the fallout. Other then that you could probably drop yourself in a ditch and survive. The shock wave would pass right over your head and you'd be fine. Nukes aren't as all encompassing as we like to make them out to be.
your right but what about the compression blast and thermal wave? People act like bombs are just shrapnel and initial blast. The blast is short but the Concussive force of that much displaced air moving far faster WILL kill you. Its literally and invisible death wall up to a certain point. And then after the concussive blast you have the thermal wall where super heated air would fry you XD ONLY THEN do you have the actual blast zone and Shrapnel zone and the fallout zone. I mean if he was THERE when the bomb went off. Its not even the radiation he has to worry about as you mentioned. Its not having his organs burst from the concussive force of that much displaced air at that speed super pressurizing the area. XD
The bomb appears to detonate at near ground level. So there ought to be buildings and vegetation in direct line of sight to catch what would have headed their way, so they might have only felt and saw the heat. But any radiation exposure they could have got, would be minuscule compared to people who have been living in the wasteland their whole lives.
you forget these games are based on a what if scenario. and it's based on what they "knew " at that time in history. radiation levels would have been normal before you knew it.
the courier can launch left over nukes in new vegas, the zetans are not likely to have started the war but instead would have used to codes to make the missiles inert, as the missiles can be modified to be damaging to the ships as the detonation can cause emps which can damage energy weapons and the zetans ships, not to mention the ancient cities(the energy from the nukes could possibly cause a reactivation of some left over systems but that is hypothetical) that Cabot talked about they could be observing the planet because the left over remnants of another race. What I mean is that they are staking the planet out to see if any of another alien race(the one responsible for Cabot's head gear are still in a dormant state or if they will come back to the buried cities.
I'd actually really like to see something like this happen. The Cabot stuff in FO4 is one of my favorite missions in the game and I really hope a follow up game explores it further. The idea of the Zetans searching for other alien ruins while humans sort of pop up and get caught in the middle is a neat idea. They should throw the Dunwich stuff in with it as well since it's an obvious throwback to H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. Cthulhu rests beneath the seas in slumber, but he psychicly reaches out and influences humanity. Cults form and worship him just as we see with the Dunwich stuff in FO3 and 4. Lorenzo Cabot also reached out and brought Raiders under his influence in order to escape. His ancient headpiece could be a similar artifact to those worshiped by Dunwich. The Zetans could have been studying humans because of the effect the other artifacts were having on them, and considered humans going into space a threat if some of us were under the influence of a greater evil. The Enclave reverse engineered alien tech and knew war was coming and saved only themselves. They could have purposely ignited the war in order to erase those not under the influence of this evil, which is why they wanted to erase the survivors and repopulate the Earth with their "pure" humans afterwards. The Zetans may have actually wanted to prevent this from happening and failed.
In the F:NV DLC Lonesome Road there are missiles listening for codes, a recording from 'a package' is played back for them and they detonate, launch resulting in the Divide. The courier ends up unwittingly launching a missile alone. Ulysses did not need other participants to launch missiles in his sense of vengeance/revenge justice.
Deadman codes most likely. This wasn't unfounded as our nation and the USSR had ways of causing nuclear retaliation on the off chance their leadership couldn't do it.
There's an interesting real-world case from the 50s/60s about a couple who were claimed to have been abducted and the wife of the couple was supposedly shown a map by the Alien captain of where they have come from and she drew it during a therapy session I think and an astronomer thought she found the system/planet which had the name of Zeta, so I guess it's an inspiration for Fallout
Shoe Horn But the intel people were doing mind control expriments on people in those days. Why do you think people who are elected to Government office suddenly become advocates of the Big State? I suspect that there is a mind control device in DC that uses a wavelength to introduce thoughts into people's minds.
I thought mothership zeta was non-canon P.s. that was such a fun dlc. Why did bethesda do such a great job with fo3 dlc and do such a shit job with fo4 dlc? sad. Also why would they attack humanity when they arent a threat? Maybe they watched and studied them as a curiosity until they began to become a little threatening so they decided to start the great war. Why else would they want the launch codes? To write it in an encyclopedia or something? Maybe they jumpstarted the great war to study the affects of nuclear weapons have on life and the planet.
Джозеф Because they don't care anymore. The fact that they are still reading Skyrim and fallout 4 us basically Skyrim with guns you see the problem. That and nuka world is basically paying for cut content. (Though sources vary.) Plus they know people will blindly buy whatever they push out en mass so why bother? (About Mothership. It's in canon limbo. Meaning that it isn't canon unless something needs it to be. So yay for MORE FUCKING THEORY BAIT! Cause fuck writing a an actual story when you can have fans fill it in for you.)
>>Anson D. Grimes Hmmm yes my good sir, I would prefer to shove a cattle prod up your rectal area. MSZ was great. It had a lot of good moments, and about the only thing I could consider annoying about the DLC would have been the invisible-esque Zetans and the spaceship shootout sequence near the end.
You are watching way to many movies. Until the 1990's a good number of our icbm's had a code of all 0's as the air force believed the chain of communications would break down before they could get the order to launch. All missile subs have permission to launch without orders if there is an attack. All nuke equipped carriers have permission to launch without orders. Back in the days when the Crockett was in the inventory individual troops could launch them without orders as the time getting the orders would have the Russians already over running the lines. launch codes are not really launch codes they are arming codes. The ICBM's can launch with an inactive warhead and bombs can be dropped that will not trigger but they will still be in play and the conventional explosives will detonate spreading the weapons grade material around in a nice dirty bomb.
Arif Hossain it's because it's an alternate universe that he suggested it. Because the U.S. never changed their mindset from our world's Cold War era it wouldn't be ridiculous to think that they would use the same sort of system we did at the time
TheGamingFreakGG I especially want the winterized t51 power armor to be basically the normal power armor you find in the game ( like the t45 in 4, NV, and 3)
9:45 Uh... About that... If Fallout is like our universe, then you're quite wrong. Because the U.S. Air Force had a system in place from the late 1960s called the "Permissive Action Link" (PAL) which was meant to prevent accidental launches or people from hijacking or sabotaging U.S. nuclear missiles. Only problem is... it came out that the U.S. Air Force was so paranoid about the system failing in event of a nuclear exchange, that a fail-safe launch code of "00000000" enabled access to the missile and its systems... And official Missileer checklists show this being covered as part of standard operating procedure up until at least 1977 - so for the better part of 10 years, theoretically, any nutcase could have slammed 8 zeros into the terminal and started launching Minute Men missiles. Of course, a few years ago, the USAF (wisely) said this was never the case... despite their own official literature suggesting it was. Thankfully, the Missileer crews we had during the cold war were some of the most dedicated and professional people you could ask for.
I remember my Uncle introducing me to Fallout when I was like 8. Fallout 3 was the first game I ever played I was so scared cause I had no idea what to do- I was good at Skyrim but this was a completely new thing for me. He had the Mothership Zeta DLC and when I was transported to their ship.. The cutscene where they probed you in an unknown location gave me chills. But I loved it, I've always loved space and aliens! I really wish they would've expanded on that in Fallout 4..
9:25 Just to clarify, the Pre-War world was full of technological miracles like the GECK, and the transmutation machines at the Sierra Madre which literally changed and shaped reality. This was also during a time before processors had revolutionized their world, so it's truly not a stretch to say that humanity could have become extremely powerful if they had survived the war. They had nearly infinite energy (fusion), plasma weapons, lasers, an advanced space program (remember, the Enclave wanted to make colonies on either mars or the moon), the ability to better their DNA with the FEV, teleportation, an understanding of fairly advanced robotics and A.I. development, and of course the GECK to live anywhere in the cosmos. The Zetans really could have seen humanity as a threat, especially if they were the only other species in the universe... Oh, but they're non-canon, so the chinese were very likely the ones who started the Great War. =/
The Zetan aliens were also in Fallout New Vegas if you got a certain perk when creating your character. It's impossible to reach the (scout?) ship though, unless there's a mod for it.
humans captured atleast one of the aliens, and were running tests on them. the zetans probably knew that this was happening, as said in the fo3 goty edition text, so thats a reason. another possible reason might be that they consider humans as a threat, explaining why theyre extremely hostile/aggressive in every game. the zetans couldve used the launch codes to launch the missiles themselves, from the mothership, as they most likely have the technology to override any human programs. also, they might just be a species that wants to kill for enjoyment
The reason why the coversation is silent is because it's in his mind, because he says get out of my mind, and the reason why he's saying all of that is because they're forcing it out from his memories
Never mind the Zetans: what about the cover-up surrounding Doctor Who? I vividly remember coming across the Tardis way back when Fallout 1 was released ( and profited by it).
The only difference between both destroy all humans and fallout is that fallout focus on descendants and Survivors from both pregreat war and postGreat War Era Surviving on a post apocalyptic earth After A nuclear war in the late 21st century and destroy all humans is a parody of Cold War era alien invasion films
Our launch codes were very much so laughably simplistic. I think fallout 2 mentioned it was a supercomputer that made the decision to launch the missiles. Similar to the brilliant short story "I have no mouth but I must scream." The US was clearly winning WW2 but launched the nukes to show Russia just how devastating our new toy was. Don't put it past a fallout level corrupt administration to do something similar. The dialogue was voiced in my game. There are several individuals with the authority or ability to launch nukes independently. Especially in 1950's 1960's. Don't forget the countless other super powers with nuclear weapons in the fallout universe. In 1983 Stanislav Petrov was manning the Russian nuclear forces and his radar clearly showed 5 US nukes headed for Russia. His orders dictated that he was to unleash the nuclear arsenal against America and Europe immediately. Turns out his radar had picked up a false positive and his independent thinking told him not to respond narrowly saving the world. Perhaps in the Fallout universe India's radar malfunctioned but their man followed orders launching nukes at China. China see's incoming nukes and assumes they are American and retaliates with their entire stockpile. America then does the same, Soviet Union, Pakistan, Iran, Germany, South Africa and probably every single country on the planet by 2077 completely obliterating the world as we know it. Knowing the Fallout universe I bet this is the likely answer. They fricken LOVE bureaucratic incompetence and straight up corporate evil.
jake Bob The lone wanaderer is the fallout 3 PC. The companions in fallout 3 died in like 2 hits from almost anything so it was better to merely "wander" by yourself rather than have to carry their stuff after they got killed by a mole rat while in enclave power armor.
Zetans: "Look at how these humans make war. Always the same, warring. War, it never changes. They've even made attempts to leave their planet. We can't have them develop any further. Their warring ways on a galactic scale would be disastrous. We would also be unable to study them further. Let's start a new experiment... Let's observe how their race lives when their most powerful weapons turn on them." Or something like that.
Would be interesting if the aliens where trying to get the launch codes from the world superpowers to circumvent Nuclear war. Or do that to try to preserve the earth from world destruction.
MiniManimal nope. The nuke doesn’t do as much damage when it is detonated on the ground rather than air burst damage. The one in FO4 was detonated practically on the ground.
The launch code recording from the alien and human. It's a mind reading. The Zetan doesn't speak in any understandable dialect, but instead shows disgust, frustration, and effort in trying to pry the information from the human individual. There is clearly communication between the two, but it isn't over voice. Maybe the human was put to sleep while this was happening, considering you don't hear any voiced struggle from the individual, I believe this is very possible. Sedated strongly nonetheless.
have you even played fallout then because if you get a reference to the song that was used in its trailer, its opening cutscene, and the in game radio then i doubt you have ever played it
Puma u gave me an idea for another Fallout spin off like Vegas. In a desolate city all remaining humans are living in fear of strange monsters and little green men. When an 'Outlander' is hired to investigate the disappearance of locals, believing it was just ghost stories. Only to find the inner city ruins are completely overrun by mutated creatures not of radiation, by experimentation. Flying lights, blue plasma bolts from the rooftops. Seeing the large crater in the center, and, what is in it. The city was not destroyed by nukes, but a massive Grand Mother ship crashed upon the Earth. Intact, the ship is the capitol city of the FALLEN. Descended from the original Zetan on board, these heavily mutated creatures are larger and have learned a primitive form of English. For 200 years they have been breeding and changing into something new. Abducted humans were primarily for food, only experimenting on those unfit to eat. This is their city. Can the Outlander fight this enemy, or be consumed by... Fallout: New Zeta
The dialogue was silent because the human's part was his thoughts which makes the "get out of my head" part more meaningful. Im assuming the alien had some tech to talk directly to the mind of the human which is why we heard the alien's voice
Why are we assuming that it's a US official in the holotape? Chances are the subtitles are from somebody's head. Couldn't it just be translated to something the player can understand, since our brains don't work in spoken languages?
In the script for the Fallout film, it was actually Vault Tec's CEO who launched the first strike in order to fulfill his nuclear apocalypse prophecy. From the Fallout Wiki on The Great War: "According to the script of the Fallout film, neither China, the United States, nor Russia launched the first bomb. It was in fact Vault-Tec's executive of the vaults. He launched the first bomb to fulfill his own prophecy of nuclear annihilation."
Am I the only one who connected how NukaColaWorld DLC is heavily hinting how humans already started to colonize in other planets if you look around GalacticZone and how Bethesda already said how they're working on a space RPG (StarField) set in the same universe of Fallout? Coincidence?
The silent voice could be a readout from what the captive is thinking, as he does say, "Get out of my head." This could imply the Zetans were reading his mind. And it was recording both what the aliens were audibly saying and the captive's thoughts.
I keep trying to play this game over and over hoping it will finally be a god game. Then i add 100+ mods to fix what they didnt finish. Every time by the time i hear the intro music ready to press load i immediately get the sick feeling of shallow and have to shut this game off. I applaud your ability to sound so interested in such uninteresting stories.
the only thing that I can possibly think about the silence conversation is....well the aliens(old school tipes...with big head) have a strong brainpower what permit them to use telepatic conversations or telekinesis, the telepact conversation would be the translated form to what they saying with his language, like professor Xavier from xmen, and the part of they asking the nuke code...I gess I can use the brainiac logic...knowledge is worth, maybe they trying to know/understand technology they didn't have heard about, like the nuclear weapons and human evolutive actions, they have a samurai, a cowboy, and newest "version" of humans, they pissed cause mothership zeta or(if this is the description from this dlc)maybe the aliens ships that fall in every game(? I gess that every game of this franchise has a crashed ufo), this one because...well they are a ton smart, they are advanced, etc...so why they crashing, maybe human are shooting down the ufos. if somebody read this tell me if what I said is obvious or can help in some theorys, appreciated
I hate Zetan theories so much. They originally started as an easter egg in the first Fallout, but Bethesda decided to fuck lore in the ass. It makes no sense, it should just stay as an easter egg and nothing else, non canonical. Why would aliens decide to visit 60 years from now, why not a thousand years ago. And why would they come back after fucking the world up. It's too dumb to be in a Fallout game. I thought Bethesda had realized this mistake and just kept that crash ship as a small easter egg, but then they decided to make it lore that Lorenzo found an underground alien society in the mojave desert. Bethesda hates New Vegas, they legit fucking hate New Vegas, they changed lore for a game that is so much better than any game they could ever make.
He found his "hat" in Oman, but I'm sure someone in the Cabot family talked about an alien city or something like that under the Mojave. It felt like a big episode of "Ancient Aliens".
Hey great video, been playing fallout 4 at my own pace since it came out still haven't finished the story. Been enjoying taking my sweet time with everything but the story. A spoiler warning would have been nice.
I remember reading somewhere in the wiki that in the original Fallout Van Buren, it was stated that the executive of Vault Tec had launched the first nuke in order to fulfill his prophecy of nuclear armageddon. It would explain why he built these vaults that were supposed to help humanity survive a nuclear apocalypse. which would mean if he didn't start it, then he would have wasted an exuberant amount of money on nothing.
You need the Wild Wasteland perk from the beginning of the game. They're in the spot where the three mercenaries, and the campfire would be at. Near the top of the left half of the map.
One wrinkle you don't take into account - maybe the aliens were too limited in number to manage a true occupation, and instead took a long game to influence then step in at the last minute. And it didn't go to plan.
theyre theories and he explains y or y not these theories could be true or false, its also y he gives his own opinion on the matter before going deeper in the subject
Superior technology would probably be enough to launch nukes. The Aliens were probably observing us and only doing just that. Getting launch codes was some key information, they didn't need it seeing the "Death ray" have the same power, but still they probably got a kick out of trying.
7:20 you just answered your own question. Zetas find uncorrupted human dna valuable. How do you make a large group of something more valuable? Make it more rare. Make the possbility of getting ahold of it, slimmer and more out of reach. The more unlikely it is to find something, the more valuable it is when you eventually do find it.
8:14 "While the United States could attempt to nuke China, it wouldn't make much sense for them to do so, as they were winning the war" The US was winning against Japan with the British Empire, China, and the Soviet Union, but they nuked Japan in WW2.
Some Guy That was for a few nuanced reasons, mainly: 1. To prevent a costly invasion of mainland Japan and 2. To end the war before Russia could take more territory, leaving a diplomatically preferable situation in Japan for the US after the war. Korea was split in two because Russia captured the north and America the south, and something similar might have happened to Japan without the nuclear bombs ending the war. In Fallout, nukes would not stop China, as China was desperate for resources and had their own nukes.
My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just joking, and if nukes would stop the Americans from nuking back, why wouldn't the Americans nuke first?
that was tactically the most sound option. We had the upper hand but it would have taken months to years to island hop each individual island and ALL the naval forces. Slaughtering MILLIONS of soldiers on both sides. While we faced thousands of individual grudging stop and go island warfare. Japanese DIDNT surrender. They fought to the last man. It would have been like Antietam in the civil war times about a BILLION. whole islands of corpses. So instead we had to use an option so strong it would FORCE the japanese to surrender. We warned them Multiple times just surrender and we Dont have to do this. They refused. We warned the cities (military centers only not civilian populations zones which they try to say. Otherwise why didnt we drop on tokyo or the forbidden city itself?) The emperor STILL refused. So we dropped one bomb. Thousands die. We say again. Just surrender so we can end this. Japan wanted to not take the blame for what they did in pearl harbor. They wanted to negotiate an equal standing deal. But you dont get to surprise attack someone and then NOT take the blame for what you did. Try to power play and remain an active threat. The US rightly said NO. You wanted this war and now you take the blame for it. Just surrender so we can stop this. The Emperor Was STILL too proud. Even after it was apparent they were outmatched. So the option was the same as last time. Do we engage in a months long war of attrition losing BILLIONS of lives (japanese and american civilian and soldier alike) or do we cut the casualties down to possible million or so by using our overwhelming power advantage? The choice was terrible but ultimately strategically there was only one clear option. And they MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. People are outraged at the loss of life yet they advocate for a ground war that would have made the death toll of the bombs a DROP IN THE BUCKET. Look how many were lost During the invasion of Normandy and that was ONE battle. Now times that by THOUSANDS of battles THOUSANDS of islands. THOUSANDS of Naval blockades. It would have been a blood bath the likes the world has never seen to this day. Japan Controlled most of the Pacific at this time. Remember. The nuclear option SAVED lives.
The voice wasn't vocal because they where in his mind, watch the words used, compliance as if a continuous thought is running, then " wait a min, your in my mind, I have to think of something else, I can't let u dive deeper. the tape simply had the notes from the experiments on em... the alien doctor, and the soldiers thoughts written out for recording purposes
Bethesda didnt understand the lore of Fallout. F1, F2 and NV only have aliens as a joke. In NV you need to turn on wild wasteland (cultural references and jokes) to "met aliens". Or to get indiana jones reference etc etc. In f1 and f2 wild wasteland is always "on". You get a star trek shuttle and many other jokes. one such joke is aliens. Bethesda misunderstood. Hope they read up for the next game
I'd imagine that they had already learned from that mistake. In fallout 4 there is only one alien and it occurs during a random encounter, exactly the same fashion used to portray the aliens as in fallout 1 (I guess in fo1, the aliens are dead and there is no blaster, but still). The only place they really put aliens out of proportion was mothership zeta, and that's just because they had underutilized the alien npc.
Scary real world incident that has a tangential relationship to UAP/UFO's... Early 1970s Several ICBM silos went active, no launch codes entered, no authorizations given, and happened in both the US and the Soviet Union at the same time. Each side scrambled to deactivate the systems but could not gain control or find out how it was happening. It lasted for 30 minutes then just as suddenly as it had started it stopped. Common thread in both countries were strange lights appearing over the silos and what appeared to be a spotlight shining down on them for about 2 minutes before vanishing. The incident records can be found if you dig through a ton of declassified documents in the library of congress and what was leaked from the Kremlin when the Soviet Union collapsed. Each side had blamed the other but didn't want to escalate the situation because they thought if the other side could do this, what else were they capable of.
Technically speaking during the cold war in our world there were several nuclear launch sites that were very lax with the security regarding the launch keys, theoretically speaking anyone could have launched a nuke at the time as long as they got to the panel where the key was, which wouldnt have been hard if you were stationed at one of the bases. This is known information that can be gotten from reading up about the launch systems in place at the time. Seeing as that was one of the most dangerous periods in human history, seeing as total annihilation was just a few steps away, and the security was that lax... i have no issue in believing that the "Zetans" would have been able to start a nuclear war by launching atleast one nuke in the Fallout universe.
I like the idea of a 2 person launch for the nukes, but in the great divide DLC of fallout NV. All the courier did to launch the nukes is bring the codes to the town. So having the codes does give you some controle over the nukes
I don't know if it's been said, but the war happened at the same time that the US was executing it's plans to move humanity into space to harvest it's resources. it would make sense that the zetans are an expansion of the resource wars on a Galaxy scale, watching species intently for the time they decide to follow them into space living and become competition. it also works into the plan that they're just being efficient by using the existing mechanisms to remove the threat. I also think he timing of obduction and study shows an example of benchmarks for human development so they can figure out how fast humans are adapting to see if we would be a real threat or if we could just be left alone. war is expensive, after all. even for super aliens.
China would not fire their nuke even when their capital city has been undersiege because they still have a large amount of land to retreat and make a counter strike back, which would preserve the land for habitation.Kinda similar to how they deal with japan in ww2. This made the idea of china launching the nuke to be a silly idea.
keroji s I could be wrong, but it says that nobody knows who launched the first nukes so you could be right. However, because they lost Alaska they could have become sore losers and launched. Or the Americans could have tried to finish it and launched the nukes.
1) I always assumed the subtitles were representing what was going on in the guys kind. Subtitles for his thoughts. The Zetan was telepathically taking the info from him 2) We have no idea what kind of tech an alien race has. Our tech (in the Fallout universe especially) might be so primitive that all they need are the codes and they can do the rest. Why else would they be trying to get the codes unless they could use them? 3) war never changes and so is the adage that History is written by the victor. Which if anyone was really a victor the US comes the closest. (People are traveling overseas to the US instead of Anywhere else after the war to seek fortune which means the US must be the best there is at that time.) for all we know the US fired nukes first which started the war. Not knowing it was the zetans they might either claim they didn't strike first or that they did because china was about to attack. 4) The real question is why do the zetans hate us and what is that they want from us? Is it possible they live on mars and we sent a manned mission there (FO4) and that mission failed by crashing into a alien city sparking a war with them?
Fun Fact: the Fallout franchise takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who. The Vault Dweller encounters a mysterious blue police box, which vanishes into thin air, with spinning light and accompanying whooshing sound effects. So that's a thing.
Not sure if anyone knows but if you play fallout 4 during the railroad quest line there’s a terminal in PAMs development room that explains how the war started
I could see the Aliens doing it as a sort of experiment of what would happen. The Aliens have enough human DNA from abductions and may have decided to see what the effects were of nuking an entire planet, which is relatively not bad in comparison to what it could have been.
Correction- Elliot of the Mothership Zeta dates to around the time operation anchorage, which the battle of anchorage ended in 2072 (this is known by a fallout 3 loading screen showing a newspaper dated in 2072 saying "Alaska Liberated"
One thing I've never understood about Fallout 4 is that drinking water gives you Rads, but breathing the fucking air doesn't. Apparently, Nuclear Fallout doesn't effect the air in Fallout 4. You'd think they'd make it realistic, but then again, it's Bethesda.
1. possibly nuking the planet is an experiment 2. the samurai didnt have any contact with aliens (aliens contacted them not the other way around) 3. if there were zetans on earth being experimented on and stuff it could be a revenge thing
The human voice is silent becuase its in there head . The zetans would know what he was thinking thus subtitles . Thats also why you can hear the zetans .
Now that i think about it, the person could have been NOT an american- but a chinese PLA official- General Jingwei in O:A spoke "chinese" but had english subtitles.
Gennik Ikr i mean he even said "Get out of my head"
I HEAR VOICE'S IN MY HEAD, THEY COUNSEL ME, THEY COMFORT ME, THEY UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!
Gennik In the Playstation 3 version you can actually hear it
Mascamuelas Smith i have the playstation 3 version
Bush did 2077
definitely
Shawn Banks bahahhaha it even ryhmes with 9 11 for fucks sake
Alien mothership fuel can't nuke a planet.
Nathan /NeisanTheBear\ are you stupid before they didn't have fule
Vault tec started the war
I always play with subtitles. you miss important things without them
Retroambassador same
Retroambassador maybe the guy speaks sigh language
I always play with subtitles turned on, because I'm partially deaf.
Pallad lmao
Too right to missing stuff, I rely heavily on the subtitles to fill me in on stuff, you'd miss the little jokes and jabs of passers by if you have them off. How would I know that a number of the Diamond City Guards got shot in the ass last year without my subtitles on?
What if the zetans just didn’t want humans to go into space? In fallout 4 in the very beginning the sole survivor states that their resources are running out. If the zetans didn’t like humans wouldn’t it be better to keep them in their own area away from the zetans so they wouldn’t have to deal with them?
That's what I was thinking as well, weren't the Vault Tec vault experiments to test how humans react in confined spaces in various scenarios for the purpose interplanetary colonisation? Maybe the Zetans didn't like that.
Exactly what I thought. Ox almost went there and I'm surprised he didn't. Keep going with the idea that the Earth is like an ant farm for them. Now imagine you had an ant farm and the ants developed tech to escape it. You'd at least shake it up, right?
Well..
How many planets do you think are out there? There's no scarcity of resource or distance in space. Unless Beth themselves gave reasons why zetans would want to cripple a would-be spacefaring people, I don't think this idea is one of the more likely ones.
I think the war itself is more likely to have brought the zetans to earth. Many nukes going off at once would give a very particular signal, something an intelligent race wouldn't expect from a non-star body without intelligent life being involved. Ppl could argue this is unlikely too, because it's not like our own SETI has born much fruit in finding intelligent signals in the blackness of space, but it's good for fiction and makes relatively few assumptions.
@Mark81150: Indeed. I'm not even slightly convinced by his arguments for the Zetans having no reason to start the war either. Nor do I find his arguments for why they COULDN'T have started it particularly convincing (we are talking about a species capable of some level of mind control after all.) Hell, you could even argue that if we were studying their technology to allow for our own rapid advancements in tech, that we would have already ruined one potential level of interest they may have had in studying mankind. Cultural development.
@pixel Biscuits: First, there's evidence the Zetans had been studying humans/the earth LONG before the war as was stated in this video. With that in mind, it's unlikely the war had anything to do with their coming to earth; even in regard to the visit where they kidnap you.
Second, there doesn't need to be a resource scarcity issue to breed conflict. It may be one of the major ones here on earth, but it isn't required. As Mark81150 stated, these aren't humans we're talking about so their reasoning could include basically anything. Maybe they just didn't like us stealing their technology so they decided to get revenge on a planetary scale. Or perhaps the earth is just a random planet in a part of the galaxy that they consider their own empire and they don't want humanity forcing them to redraw their borders. It's even possible they just didn't like the look of our faces and couldn't allow us to pollute the galaxy with our brand of ugly. Who knows. Debating motivation is fairly pointless considering how little we know about them or even how much we had already done in space in the Fallout universe.
All that being said, I'm not all that convinced they were behind it either. As amusing as the idea may be, there isn't that much evidence to support it and it just seems to fit better with the "nuclear naïve" society they crafted for the Fallout universe to have then destroyed itself with nukes.
But then why not erraticate them early on? I mean the zetans don't really show emotion, so it would be the most logical to again deal with them before they got out of control. My theory is that they possibly were more observing humans, and once they saw the notably dangerous weapons being created and our willingness to use them; that the zetans decided to put a stop to it. Not entirely killing all humans, but much rather putting a stop to the nuclear weapons.
In the log he says get out of my head, maybe the alien was speaking to him telepathically.
RusherPB no shit
@@activatewindows9589 I mean it's not obobvious. There could be several different theories. Such as:
The person was being tortured and drugged making them Confused
so the audio tapes can now record thoughts?
@@user-kc2fu8iw3v that's why it is silent - because you can't record thoughts, you absolute knob.
Im not making this up but for 20 years the nuclear launch code was 00000000
That's still being debated IRL (USAF denies it), but having the military shirk off civilian imposed safeguards in the name of expediency is very-much something that would take place in the fallout universe. Just look at the password to get into the National Guard bunker (or hey! the Fort Constantine launch codes!). To quote spaceballs, "That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!"
Illuminati: you know to much
No he knew too much, he has since been expired.
He is right
It’s now 1111111
the zetans seem to need humans, a major subplot of mother ship zeta is that the Zetans were trying to combine zetan and human DNA likely to improve their physically weak bodies. The zetan human hybrids are much larger and stronger than typical zetans.
Several responses to your points;
1 Why did the aliens not destroy the human race when it would have been easier when we had much less sophisticated technology? Simple, primitives killing each other with pointy bits of metal tied to sticks are not a threat to anyone except themselves. Warlike, advanced species with sophisticated technology, including space-craft, nuclear weapons and lasers are a threat to the entire galaxy. As long as we were captives to our own gravity well, we were nothing but an interesting scientific subject. Once we were able to go into space, set up colonies on Mars, etc., we were dangerous and hence, needed to be removed.
2 Why did the aliens manipulate us to kill each other, rather than create a plague or something? That assumes that they had any interest in preserving the biosphere in the first place. Maybe, their only concern was to study species to determine if they were a threat. The rapid advancement of human race during the lifetime of one of their research vessels demonstrates that they do not experience time the way we do. We went from pointy sticks to plasma weapons - weapons that pretty much rival their own technology. Since they only had a couple of ships available, and those were research ships, maybe it was just easier to let us kill ourselves off; or keep us penned to our one planet.
I do not necessarily but into the "aliens started it" theory; but I think your refutation of that needs a little work.
However it is fun to discuss, so thanks for making the video!
Yeah, I think you're pretty spot on regarding the logic in the video. Our resources are almost certainly irrelevant, and humanity was treated as a science project rather than a threat *until* we started to reverse engineer their toys. Which makes me think another interesting possibility might be something along the lines of a prime directive with extreme prejudice scenario. What if they were obligated to use the mother ship's death ray on things like Area 51? That death ray looked like it would create a pretty big mushroom cloud... so, maybe they started the war when they vaporized one of our reverse engineering sights, but the resulting explosion was mistaken by the US government for a nuclear strike, thus triggering a "retaliation", neh?
It also sorta raises the question, I wonder what Eliot and Sally are up to during FO4? Are they still up there just hanging out?
Yeah honestly I agree with you. But remember that Bethesda owns the lore. And they’ve shown that that really don’t give two shits about it. Literally retconned so much lore just to fit fallout 76 within it. For all I know, Bethesda is probably gonna twist the Great War lore just to create more money for themselves
maybe the Zetans are the CEO of vault tec?
Gio_wenilenipaniyeni That's what I was thinking. I'd rather it just be the fault of humans, but advanced telepathic aliens, in a science fiction story, could possible be the creators of vault Tec and a good reason as to why vault Tex wanted to do such experiments. After all, most of those experiments don't seem like something humans would need to experiment about at that point in history. They ought to be well documented human behaviors at that point. So they either need to be completely uninvolved, or completely behind everything for it to make sense.
Lol
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Gio_wenilenipaniyeni That explanes alot lol.
Dun dun duunnnn you forgot to do that
Here is my theory, the zetans founded vault-tec. Why else would they try and perform so many crazy experiments?!
Pardon me, Kind Generous Great Gentleman Sir. Because the entire human existence was an experiment that the zeta ended but failed because life continues
in my game, it is fully voiced... not silent.
Same
Also same, and for that reason, its basically canon that the Zetans touched off the nuclear holocaust.
A robot in FO2 claimed that the war was started by supercomputers. Regardless, the aliens wanting information isn't the same as the aliens wanting to use that information.
For me too
Rubix003 I will check then make another comment
During the Cold War, a lot of military bases in the U.S. didn't need the presidents authority. They wanted to be able to launch ASAP
Tyler Wardle not sure where you got that from. The authority to launch has always been invested in the President.
@@magnuschristianssen8999 I think there's a protocol in place for a response in the event that the President is either unable to order either because of communications breakdown or simple inability to reach some silos, but an exchange has been confirmed, or there is a confirmed exchange with another country but there is effectively no Government to respond to a request for permission.
@@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 Deadmans switch type scenarios exist. Both the USA and USSR had them.
Also why did you put W-A-R? Instead of war
UA-cam would have demonetized the vid
Thewaffleofoz I would've change Great W-A-R to "nuclear exchange" to by pass the silly PC filters for monetization.
Thewaffleofoz lets just say its am acronym that stands for World, after, radiation
Джозеф would of demobilized that as well
Thewaffleofoz youtube demonetisation
technically Sean does not have uncorrupted DNA. he was there when the bomb went off, and as I'm sure you know, radiation travels at the speed of light. he got dosed with a fuck ton of radiation.
Aself101 yeah but as you know they had stuff to remove radiation that was probably used upon entry into the vault.
Aself101 Not really. The X and Gama rays are the only ones that could do that much damage in that short a time frame, and being so high energy they tend to fade quickly. Alpha and Beta particles hadn't shown up yet, you know the actual fallout? So no he's probably fine.
Don't look at the blast, and avoid the fallout. Other then that you could probably drop yourself in a ditch and survive. The shock wave would pass right over your head and you'd be fine.
Nukes aren't as all encompassing as we like to make them out to be.
your right but what about the compression blast and thermal wave? People act like bombs are just shrapnel and initial blast. The blast is short but the Concussive force of that much displaced air moving far faster WILL kill you. Its literally and invisible death wall up to a certain point. And then after the concussive blast you have the thermal wall where super heated air would fry you XD ONLY THEN do you have the actual blast zone and Shrapnel zone and the fallout zone. I mean if he was THERE when the bomb went off. Its not even the radiation he has to worry about as you mentioned. Its not having his organs burst from the concussive force of that much displaced air at that speed super pressurizing the area. XD
The bomb appears to detonate at near ground level. So there ought to be buildings and vegetation in direct line of sight to catch what would have headed their way, so they might have only felt and saw the heat. But any radiation exposure they could have got, would be minuscule compared to people who have been living in the wasteland their whole lives.
you forget these games are based on a what if scenario. and it's based on what they "knew " at that time in history. radiation levels would have been normal before you knew it.
This video is something that would've been playing on the History Channel unironically lol
the courier can launch left over nukes in new vegas, the zetans are not likely to have started the war but instead would have used to codes to make the missiles inert, as the missiles can be modified to be damaging to the ships as the detonation can cause emps which can damage energy weapons and the zetans ships, not to mention the ancient cities(the energy from the nukes could possibly cause a reactivation of some left over systems but that is hypothetical) that Cabot talked about they could be observing the planet because the left over remnants of another race. What I mean is that they are staking the planet out to see if any of another alien race(the one responsible for Cabot's head gear are still in a dormant state or if they will come back to the buried cities.
the most legit theory I've seen.so far! 🖒
Roe I swore that as the Lone Wanderer I was able to launch a nuke using the satellite relays or one of the military bases.
I'd actually really like to see something like this happen. The Cabot stuff in FO4 is one of my favorite missions in the game and I really hope a follow up game explores it further. The idea of the Zetans searching for other alien ruins while humans sort of pop up and get caught in the middle is a neat idea. They should throw the Dunwich stuff in with it as well since it's an obvious throwback to H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. Cthulhu rests beneath the seas in slumber, but he psychicly reaches out and influences humanity. Cults form and worship him just as we see with the Dunwich stuff in FO3 and 4. Lorenzo Cabot also reached out and brought Raiders under his influence in order to escape. His ancient headpiece could be a similar artifact to those worshiped by Dunwich. The Zetans could have been studying humans because of the effect the other artifacts were having on them, and considered humans going into space a threat if some of us were under the influence of a greater evil. The Enclave reverse engineered alien tech and knew war was coming and saved only themselves. They could have purposely ignited the war in order to erase those not under the influence of this evil, which is why they wanted to erase the survivors and repopulate the Earth with their "pure" humans afterwards. The Zetans may have actually wanted to prevent this from happening and failed.
Anthony Thanghe that wasn't nukes, that was orbital bombardment
Person. that wasn't nukes, that was orbital bombardment
In the F:NV DLC Lonesome Road there are missiles listening for codes, a recording from 'a package' is played back for them and they detonate, launch resulting in the Divide. The courier ends up unwittingly launching a missile alone. Ulysses did not need other participants to launch missiles in his sense of vengeance/revenge justice.
Deadman codes most likely. This wasn't unfounded as our nation and the USSR had ways of causing nuclear retaliation on the off chance their leadership couldn't do it.
There's an interesting real-world case from the 50s/60s about a couple who were claimed to have been abducted and the wife of the couple was supposedly shown a map by the Alien captain of where they have come from and she drew it during a therapy session I think and an astronomer thought she found the system/planet which had the name of Zeta, so I guess it's an inspiration for Fallout
That's actually the pop culture origin of the little green men, which would eventually evolve into the Grey aliens.
Shoe Horn But the intel people were doing mind control expriments on people in those days. Why do you think people who are elected to Government office suddenly become advocates of the Big State? I suspect that there is a mind control device in DC that uses a wavelength to introduce thoughts into people's minds.
@@magnuschristianssen8999 are you being serious right now
Edit: just realized this is a year old comment
those damn aliens took my jerb!!!!!!
I thought mothership zeta was non-canon
P.s. that was such a fun dlc. Why did bethesda do such a great job with fo3 dlc and do such a shit job with fo4 dlc?
sad.
Also why would they attack humanity when they arent a threat?
Maybe they watched and studied them as a curiosity until they began to become a little threatening so they decided to start the great war. Why else would they want the launch codes? To write it in an encyclopedia or something?
Maybe they jumpstarted the great war to study the affects of nuclear weapons have on life and the planet.
Джозеф Because they don't care anymore. The fact that they are still reading Skyrim and fallout 4 us basically Skyrim with guns you see the problem.
That and nuka world is basically paying for cut content. (Though sources vary.) Plus they know people will blindly buy whatever they push out en mass so why bother?
(About Mothership. It's in canon limbo. Meaning that it isn't canon unless something needs it to be. So yay for MORE FUCKING THEORY BAIT! Cause fuck writing a an actual story when you can have fans fill it in for you.)
>>Anson D. Grimes
Hmmm yes my good sir, I would prefer to shove a cattle prod up your rectal area.
MSZ was great. It had a lot of good moments, and about the only thing I could consider annoying about the DLC would have been the invisible-esque Zetans and the spaceship shootout sequence near the end.
it is canon and mothership zeta was a lot of fun imo the best dlc other than point lookout
sword of war I can die unhappy now. Thanks.
Bark Tree that's the best way to die I've done it like 5 times
You are watching way to many movies. Until the 1990's a good number of our icbm's had a code of all 0's as the air force believed the chain of communications would break down before they could get the order to launch. All missile subs have permission to launch without orders if there is an attack. All nuke equipped carriers have permission to launch without orders. Back in the days when the Crockett was in the inventory individual troops could launch them without orders as the time getting the orders would have the Russians already over running the lines.
launch codes are not really launch codes they are arming codes. The ICBM's can launch with an inactive warhead and bombs can be dropped that will not trigger but they will still be in play and the conventional explosives will detonate spreading the weapons grade material around in a nice dirty bomb.
well...
you're not wrong...
but you DO know that Fallout takes place in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, right?
A different universe with the same mindset as they made nukes even smaller then we did to hand to individual troops.
Plus kill codes are built into them for safety or to stop an independent launch
Arif Hossain it's because it's an alternate universe that he suggested it. Because the U.S. never changed their mindset from our world's Cold War era it wouldn't be ridiculous to think that they would use the same sort of system we did at the time
Cold War never ended and won't until the guilty parties are put down.
I would so want a Fallout game set in China, preferably from Obsidian.
obsidian is about to go bankrupt so thats never gonna happen
Un-broken and victorious Didn't they help out with DOOM though?
Bethesda publishes the Doom and Wolfenstein games, but it doesn't make them like it did Fallout 3 and 4.
TheGamingFreakGG I especially want the winterized t51 power armor to be basically the normal power armor you find in the game ( like the t45 in 4, NV, and 3)
TheGamingFreakGG it was after all produced heavily for the war of anchorage
9:45
Uh... About that... If Fallout is like our universe, then you're quite wrong. Because the U.S. Air Force had a system in place from the late 1960s called the "Permissive Action Link" (PAL) which was meant to prevent accidental launches or people from hijacking or sabotaging U.S. nuclear missiles. Only problem is... it came out that the U.S. Air Force was so paranoid about the system failing in event of a nuclear exchange, that a fail-safe launch code of "00000000" enabled access to the missile and its systems... And official Missileer checklists show this being covered as part of standard operating procedure up until at least 1977 - so for the better part of 10 years, theoretically, any nutcase could have slammed 8 zeros into the terminal and started launching Minute Men missiles. Of course, a few years ago, the USAF (wisely) said this was never the case... despite their own official literature suggesting it was.
Thankfully, the Missileer crews we had during the cold war were some of the most dedicated and professional people you could ask for.
I remember my Uncle introducing me to Fallout when I was like 8. Fallout 3 was the first game I ever played I was so scared cause I had no idea what to do- I was good at Skyrim but this was a completely new thing for me. He had the Mothership Zeta DLC and when I was transported to their ship.. The cutscene where they probed you in an unknown location gave me chills. But I loved it, I've always loved space and aliens! I really wish they would've expanded on that in Fallout 4..
Can you make a video showing us your settlements and talk about how your commonwealth would look like in your characters future? Love the video.
9:25
Just to clarify, the Pre-War world was full of technological miracles like the GECK, and the transmutation machines at the Sierra Madre which literally changed and shaped reality. This was also during a time before processors had revolutionized their world, so it's truly not a stretch to say that humanity could have become extremely powerful if they had survived the war.
They had nearly infinite energy (fusion), plasma weapons, lasers, an advanced space program (remember, the Enclave wanted to make colonies on either mars or the moon), the ability to better their DNA with the FEV, teleportation, an understanding of fairly advanced robotics and A.I. development, and of course the GECK to live anywhere in the cosmos. The Zetans really could have seen humanity as a threat, especially if they were the only other species in the universe...
Oh, but they're non-canon, so the chinese were very likely the ones who started the Great War. =/
also fallout new vegas but thats only if you have that perk to see them. :P
*Trait
The Zetan aliens were also in Fallout New Vegas if you got a certain perk when creating your character. It's impossible to reach the (scout?) ship though, unless there's a mod for it.
humans captured atleast one of the aliens, and were running tests on them. the zetans probably knew that this was happening, as said in the fo3 goty edition text, so thats a reason. another possible reason might be that they consider humans as a threat, explaining why theyre extremely hostile/aggressive in every game. the zetans couldve used the launch codes to launch the missiles themselves, from the mothership, as they most likely have the technology to override any human programs. also, they might just be a species that wants to kill for enjoyment
The alien was in the captive's thoughts, that's why he said "Get out of my head!"
I cannot describe how much I'm saying no right now.
The reason why the coversation is silent is because it's in his mind, because he says get out of my mind, and the reason why he's saying all of that is because they're forcing it out from his memories
one person CAN launch a ICBM in the fallout universe, just check the DLC "Lonsome road" for Fallout New Vegas! and how it ends
Never mind the Zetans: what about the cover-up surrounding Doctor Who?
I vividly remember coming across the Tardis way back when Fallout 1 was released ( and profited by it).
Aliens remind me of a game “ Destroy all humans”
The only difference between both destroy all humans and fallout is that fallout focus on descendants and Survivors from both pregreat war and postGreat War Era Surviving on a post apocalyptic earth After A nuclear war in the late 21st century and destroy all humans is a parody of Cold War era alien invasion films
Our launch codes were very much so laughably simplistic.
I think fallout 2 mentioned it was a supercomputer that made the decision to launch the missiles. Similar to the brilliant short story "I have no mouth but I must scream."
The US was clearly winning WW2 but launched the nukes to show Russia just how devastating our new toy was. Don't put it past a fallout level corrupt administration to do something similar.
The dialogue was voiced in my game.
There are several individuals with the authority or ability to launch nukes independently. Especially in 1950's 1960's.
Don't forget the countless other super powers with nuclear weapons in the fallout universe.
In 1983 Stanislav Petrov was manning the Russian nuclear forces and his radar clearly showed 5 US nukes headed for Russia. His orders dictated that he was to unleash the nuclear arsenal against America and Europe immediately.
Turns out his radar had picked up a false positive and his independent thinking told him not to respond narrowly saving the world.
Perhaps in the Fallout universe India's radar malfunctioned but their man followed orders launching nukes at China. China see's incoming nukes and assumes they are American and retaliates with their entire stockpile. America then does the same, Soviet Union, Pakistan, Iran, Germany, South Africa and probably every single country on the planet by 2077 completely obliterating the world as we know it.
Knowing the Fallout universe I bet this is the likely answer. They fricken LOVE bureaucratic incompetence and straight up corporate evil.
why do they call the character the lone wander if he has companions
jake Bob The lone wanaderer is the fallout 3 PC. The companions in fallout 3 died in like 2 hits from almost anything so it was better to merely "wander" by yourself rather than have to carry their stuff after they got killed by a mole rat while in enclave power armor.
What about Fawkes?
He/She is the Sole Survivor, not Lone Wanderer
Donald Dalpian ita different for different games bud
Donald Dalpian The lone wandere was the protagonist in Fallout 3. In Fallout 4 it was the sole survivor.
Zetans: "Look at how these humans make war. Always the same, warring. War, it never changes. They've even made attempts to leave their planet. We can't have them develop any further. Their warring ways on a galactic scale would be disastrous. We would also be unable to study them further. Let's start a new experiment... Let's observe how their race lives when their most powerful weapons turn on them."
Or something like that.
Would be interesting if the aliens where trying to get the launch codes from the world superpowers to circumvent Nuclear war. Or do that to try to preserve the earth from world destruction.
0:29 puma made a new word! "Howverr"
Shaun got a huge dose of radiation and is not actually completely fine he would have some serious health problems
MiniManimal nope. The nuke doesn’t do as much damage when it is detonated on the ground rather than air burst damage. The one in FO4 was detonated practically on the ground.
Radiation is light. That massive flash when it landed would have also been a massive dose of radiation.
Aliens showed up first time in Fallout 1! In a random encounter you could find a crashed space ship surrounded by "strange looking skeletons"
That seems like a very chinese thing to do. The whole "if I'm going down, you're coming with me" thing
The launch code recording from the alien and human. It's a mind reading. The Zetan doesn't speak in any understandable dialect, but instead shows disgust, frustration, and effort in trying to pry the information from the human individual. There is clearly communication between the two, but it isn't over voice.
Maybe the human was put to sleep while this was happening, considering you don't hear any voiced struggle from the individual, I believe this is very possible. Sedated strongly nonetheless.
Lesson here is the zetans couldn't have done it. The zetans don't have a reason to do it unless they wanted to watch the world burn.
so are yo saying that they don't want to set the world on fire?
Exile Studios not likely they are likely studying and observing humanity rather than actively trying to change the course of its ultimate fate
did you not get the joke?
Exile Studios nope that went over my head
have you even played fallout then because if you get a reference to the song that was used in its trailer, its opening cutscene, and the in game radio then i doubt you have ever played it
Puma u gave me an idea for another Fallout spin off like Vegas. In a desolate city all remaining humans are living in fear of strange monsters and little green men. When an 'Outlander' is hired to investigate the disappearance of locals, believing it was just ghost stories. Only to find the inner city ruins are completely overrun by mutated creatures not of radiation, by experimentation. Flying lights, blue plasma bolts from the rooftops. Seeing the large crater in the center, and, what is in it. The city was not destroyed by nukes, but a massive Grand Mother ship crashed upon the Earth. Intact, the ship is the capitol city of the FALLEN. Descended from the original Zetan on board, these heavily mutated creatures are larger and have learned a primitive form of English. For 200 years they have been breeding and changing into something new. Abducted humans were primarily for food, only experimenting on those unfit to eat. This is their city. Can the Outlander fight this enemy, or be consumed by... Fallout: New Zeta
funny i played the german version of fallout 3 and there the audiolog was perfectly fine xD
Alexander C. It's called Official Censorship.
I'm gunna have yah peelin potatas for a year!
no. the answer is fucking no.
Your face looks like salami.
Louis Yeh Yeh your mom looks like ham
Jeremy Yoder My mom *is* a piece of ham.
Watch til the end buddy
why should we watch till the end if we know the goddamn answer
The dialogue was silent because the human's part was his thoughts which makes the "get out of my head" part more meaningful. Im assuming the alien had some tech to talk directly to the mind of the human which is why we heard the alien's voice
Why are we assuming that it's a US official in the holotape? Chances are the subtitles are from somebody's head. Couldn't it just be translated to something the player can understand, since our brains don't work in spoken languages?
The Gray Owl The voices are actually there, his game is just bugged
In the script for the Fallout film, it was actually Vault Tec's CEO who launched the first strike in order to fulfill his nuclear apocalypse prophecy. From the Fallout Wiki on The Great War:
"According to the script of the Fallout film, neither China, the United States, nor Russia launched the first bomb. It was in fact Vault-Tec's executive of the vaults. He launched the first bomb to fulfill his own prophecy of nuclear annihilation."
Fallout 3 had such great DLC
Am I the only one who connected how NukaColaWorld DLC is heavily hinting how humans already started to colonize in other planets if you look around GalacticZone and how Bethesda already said how they're working on a space RPG (StarField) set in the same universe of Fallout? Coincidence?
>Fallout 4 theory
>Revolves around a Fallout 3 theory
>Logic???
that's puma gaming theories, pal
The silent voice could be a readout from what the captive is thinking, as he does say, "Get out of my head." This could imply the Zetans were reading his mind. And it was recording both what the aliens were audibly saying and the captive's thoughts.
I always figured it was Vault-Tec that started everything.
That would make total sense. Vault-Tech needed a reason to start all the experiments on the people
But some of their vaults weren’t finished like the ones in Boston, why would they start their experiments if they were not ready yet?
Durandol simple minded
I keep trying to play this game over and over hoping it will finally be a god game. Then i add 100+ mods to fix what they didnt finish. Every time by the time i hear the intro music ready to press load i immediately get the sick feeling of shallow and have to shut this game off. I applaud your ability to sound so interested in such uninteresting stories.
hay vinylicpumagaming, can you make a; What happened to Japan after the great W-A-R.
I can tell you what happened to Japan, they're most likely at the bottom of the ocean.
the only thing that I can possibly think about the silence conversation is....well the aliens(old school tipes...with big head) have a strong brainpower what permit them to use telepatic conversations or telekinesis, the telepact conversation would be the translated form to what they saying with his language, like professor Xavier from xmen, and the part of they asking the nuke code...I gess I can use the brainiac logic...knowledge is worth, maybe they trying to know/understand technology they didn't have heard about, like the nuclear weapons and human evolutive actions, they have a samurai, a cowboy, and newest "version" of humans, they pissed cause mothership zeta or(if this is the description from this dlc)maybe the aliens ships that fall in every game(? I gess that every game of this franchise has a crashed ufo), this one because...well they are a ton smart, they are advanced, etc...so why they crashing, maybe human are shooting down the ufos.
if somebody read this tell me if what I said is obvious or can help in some theorys, appreciated
I hate Zetan theories so much. They originally started as an easter egg in the first Fallout, but Bethesda decided to fuck lore in the ass. It makes no sense, it should just stay as an easter egg and nothing else, non canonical.
Why would aliens decide to visit 60 years from now, why not a thousand years ago. And why would they come back after fucking the world up. It's too dumb to be in a Fallout game.
I thought Bethesda had realized this mistake and just kept that crash ship as a small easter egg, but then they decided to make it lore that Lorenzo found an underground alien society in the mojave desert. Bethesda hates New Vegas, they legit fucking hate New Vegas, they changed lore for a game that is so much better than any game they could ever make.
Rex He didn't find that alien stuff in the Mojave, he found it in Oman a nation in the middle east.
But the zetans would explain the rapid growth of technolog and why Society stayed in the 50th
U know that the Mojave is all of Nevada and we only see a very small part of it.
Well, Bethesda did say that Mothership Zata wasn't officially part of the story.
He found his "hat" in Oman, but I'm sure someone in the Cabot family talked about an alien city or something like that under the Mojave.
It felt like a big episode of "Ancient Aliens".
In fallout new Vegas during the lonesome road DLC you launch a nuke by yourself and it blows up right over the divide.
Aren't the Zetans kinda done for because both of their Motherships were destroyed. And unless they had more motherships they are weakened.
Their ship in FO4 is more like a 1-person ship, instead of a mothership
Donald Dalpian in mothership zeta you destroy 2 motherships which are huge
Yeah but in any alien movie the mothership is just like an aircraft carrier times by 1000, the rest of the zetans would be on their home planet.
Hey great video, been playing fallout 4 at my own pace since it came out still haven't finished the story. Been enjoying taking my sweet time with everything but the story. A spoiler warning would have been nice.
Im taking about his son by the way i had no idea what happened to him untill now great video but why no spoiler warning that was some vital info 😰
could it have been a Chinese captive talking about a Chinese missile?
Austin Reed That is actually a good question!
I remember reading somewhere in the wiki that in the original Fallout Van Buren, it was stated that the executive of Vault Tec had launched the first nuke in order to fulfill his prophecy of nuclear armageddon. It would explain why he built these vaults that were supposed to help humanity survive a nuclear apocalypse. which would mean if he didn't start it, then he would have wasted an exuberant amount of money on nothing.
that message was cut you know that right it not there
and you forgot the aliens in fallout
new vegas and fallout 1
Lock 3003 Aren't the aliens only in NV if you take the wild wasteland perk? Which isn't canon?
aliens in NV and 1 are non-canon easter eggs made for lulz.
Zeta Reticuli. The binary star pair around which their home planet probaly revolves. Great video, as usual.
Also in fallout new vegas while wandering the wastelands you can find kill and loot three zetans
You need the Wild Wasteland perk from the beginning of the game. They're in the spot where the three mercenaries, and the campfire would be at. Near the top of the left half of the map.
One wrinkle you don't take into account - maybe the aliens were too limited in number to manage a true occupation, and instead took a long game to influence then step in at the last minute. And it didn't go to plan.
Why do you insist on making videos you do not have the real answers to?
theyre theories and he explains y or y not these theories could be true or false, its also y he gives his own opinion on the matter before going deeper in the subject
To start a conversation
because he needs that sweet 10 mins ad revenue and has to create vids.
Cause it's just a game theory that he needed to post to get a paycheck.
because its a theory video you inbred fuck holy shit this question gave me cancer aids
Superior technology would probably be enough to launch nukes. The Aliens were probably observing us and only doing just that. Getting launch codes was some key information, they didn't need it seeing the "Death ray" have the same power, but still they probably got a kick out of trying.
I wish I could afford to play fallout with those graphics,
kirbythebamf it’s called mods
Remember when the Aliens were just an Easter-egg? Now they started the war...
to do a lore video for Fallout and to disregard the first two games you throw the lore out of the window.
this is a really good theory.
I feel like aliens in fallout were just put in to fit the theme of the fifties. but this theory could work.
where did u get your name
Ewan Charnley Idk for sure, but it sounds like a gamertag given for Playstation or Xbox when you first create your account.
Ewan Charnley hey Joey
7:20 you just answered your own question. Zetas find uncorrupted human dna valuable. How do you make a large group of something more valuable? Make it more rare. Make the possbility of getting ahold of it, slimmer and more out of reach. The more unlikely it is to find something, the more valuable it is when you eventually do find it.
8:14 "While the United States could attempt to nuke China, it wouldn't make much sense for them to do so, as they were winning the war" The US was winning against Japan with the British Empire, China, and the Soviet Union, but they nuked Japan in WW2.
Some Guy That was for a few nuanced reasons, mainly: 1. To prevent a costly invasion of mainland Japan and 2. To end the war before Russia could take more territory, leaving a diplomatically preferable situation in Japan for the US after the war. Korea was split in two because Russia captured the north and America the south, and something similar might have happened to Japan without the nuclear bombs ending the war. In Fallout, nukes would not stop China, as China was desperate for resources and had their own nukes.
My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just joking, and if nukes would stop the Americans from nuking back, why wouldn't the Americans nuke first?
They didn't nuke China in WW2
I meant Japan, just forgot to put that
that was tactically the most sound option. We had the upper hand but it would have taken months to years to island hop each individual island and ALL the naval forces. Slaughtering MILLIONS of soldiers on both sides. While we faced thousands of individual grudging stop and go island warfare. Japanese DIDNT surrender. They fought to the last man. It would have been like Antietam in the civil war times about a BILLION. whole islands of corpses. So instead we had to use an option so strong it would FORCE the japanese to surrender. We warned them Multiple times just surrender and we Dont have to do this. They refused. We warned the cities (military centers only not civilian populations zones which they try to say. Otherwise why didnt we drop on tokyo or the forbidden city itself?) The emperor STILL refused. So we dropped one bomb. Thousands die. We say again. Just surrender so we can end this. Japan wanted to not take the blame for what they did in pearl harbor. They wanted to negotiate an equal standing deal. But you dont get to surprise attack someone and then NOT take the blame for what you did. Try to power play and remain an active threat. The US rightly said NO. You wanted this war and now you take the blame for it. Just surrender so we can stop this. The Emperor Was STILL too proud. Even after it was apparent they were outmatched. So the option was the same as last time. Do we engage in a months long war of attrition losing BILLIONS of lives (japanese and american civilian and soldier alike) or do we cut the casualties down to possible million or so by using our overwhelming power advantage? The choice was terrible but ultimately strategically there was only one clear option. And they MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. People are outraged at the loss of life yet they advocate for a ground war that would have made the death toll of the bombs a DROP IN THE BUCKET. Look how many were lost During the invasion of Normandy and that was ONE battle. Now times that by THOUSANDS of battles THOUSANDS of islands. THOUSANDS of Naval blockades. It would have been a blood bath the likes the world has never seen to this day. Japan Controlled most of the Pacific at this time. Remember. The nuclear option SAVED lives.
The voice wasn't vocal because they where in his mind, watch the words used, compliance as if a continuous thought is running, then " wait a min, your in my mind, I have to think of something else, I can't let u dive deeper. the tape simply had the notes from the experiments on em... the alien doctor, and the soldiers thoughts written out for recording purposes
Who puts a shredder muzzle on an explosive minigun? o_0
That holodisk raises more questions that it answers...
Bethesda didnt understand the lore of Fallout. F1, F2 and NV only have aliens as a joke. In NV you need to turn on wild wasteland (cultural references and jokes) to "met aliens". Or to get indiana jones reference etc etc. In f1 and f2 wild wasteland is always "on". You get a star trek shuttle and many other jokes. one such joke is aliens. Bethesda misunderstood. Hope they read up for the next game
I'd imagine that they had already learned from that mistake. In fallout 4 there is only one alien and it occurs during a random encounter, exactly the same fashion used to portray the aliens as in fallout 1 (I guess in fo1, the aliens are dead and there is no blaster, but still). The only place they really put aliens out of proportion was mothership zeta, and that's just because they had underutilized the alien npc.
rule one of a bethesda game if its in the game its canon
Its there game pretty sure they can do ehat ever they want
Fallout Killian Bethesda made NV, lol. And F3 was before NV, wasn't it? So if in F3 if the aliens were somewhat serious it isn't as preposterous.
Bethesda didn't make NV, Obsidian did. Bethesda published it. Bethesda Softworks != Bethesda Game Studios
Scary real world incident that has a tangential relationship to UAP/UFO's... Early 1970s Several ICBM silos went active, no launch codes entered, no authorizations given, and happened in both the US and the Soviet Union at the same time. Each side scrambled to deactivate the systems but could not gain control or find out how it was happening. It lasted for 30 minutes then just as suddenly as it had started it stopped. Common thread in both countries were strange lights appearing over the silos and what appeared to be a spotlight shining down on them for about 2 minutes before vanishing. The incident records can be found if you dig through a ton of declassified documents in the library of congress and what was leaked from the Kremlin when the Soviet Union collapsed. Each side had blamed the other but didn't want to escalate the situation because they thought if the other side could do this, what else were they capable of.
I'm not first but I'm early
Technically speaking during the cold war in our world there were several nuclear launch sites that were very lax with the security regarding the launch keys, theoretically speaking anyone could have launched a nuke at the time as long as they got to the panel where the key was, which wouldnt have been hard if you were stationed at one of the bases. This is known information that can be gotten from reading up about the launch systems in place at the time.
Seeing as that was one of the most dangerous periods in human history, seeing as total annihilation was just a few steps away, and the security was that lax... i have no issue in believing that the "Zetans" would have been able to start a nuclear war by launching atleast one nuke in the Fallout universe.
I like the idea of a 2 person launch for the nukes, but in the great divide DLC of fallout NV. All the courier did to launch the nukes is bring the codes to the town. So having the codes does give you some controle over the nukes
I don't know if it's been said, but the war happened at the same time that the US was executing it's plans to move humanity into space to harvest it's resources. it would make sense that the zetans are an expansion of the resource wars on a Galaxy scale, watching species intently for the time they decide to follow them into space living and become competition. it also works into the plan that they're just being efficient by using the existing mechanisms to remove the threat. I also think he timing of obduction and study shows an example of benchmarks for human development so they can figure out how fast humans are adapting to see if we would be a real threat or if we could just be left alone. war is expensive, after all. even for super aliens.
It could have been mind control system where he hears this but he is thinking the subtitles
Plot twist, the Zetans are members of the Covenant.
China would not fire their nuke even when their capital city has been undersiege because they still have a large amount of land to retreat and make a counter strike back, which would preserve the land for habitation.Kinda similar to how they deal with japan in ww2. This made the idea of china launching the nuke to be a silly idea.
keroji s I could be wrong, but it says that nobody knows who launched the first nukes so you could be right. However, because they lost Alaska they could have become sore losers and launched. Or the Americans could have tried to finish it and launched the nukes.
1) I always assumed the subtitles were representing what was going on in the guys kind. Subtitles for his thoughts. The Zetan was telepathically taking the info from him
2) We have no idea what kind of tech an alien race has. Our tech (in the Fallout universe especially) might be so primitive that all they need are the codes and they can do the rest. Why else would they be trying to get the codes unless they could use them?
3) war never changes and so is the adage that History is written by the victor. Which if anyone was really a victor the US comes the closest. (People are traveling overseas to the US instead of Anywhere else after the war to seek fortune which means the US must be the best there is at that time.) for all we know the US fired nukes first which started the war. Not knowing it was the zetans they might either claim they didn't strike first or that they did because china was about to attack.
4) The real question is why do the zetans hate us and what is that they want from us? Is it possible they live on mars and we sent a manned mission there (FO4) and that mission failed by crashing into a alien city sparking a war with them?
Fun Fact: the Fallout franchise takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who. The Vault Dweller encounters a mysterious blue police box, which vanishes into thin air, with spinning light and accompanying whooshing sound effects.
So that's a thing.
Not sure if anyone knows but if you play fallout 4 during the railroad quest line there’s a terminal in PAMs development room that explains how the war started
I could see the Aliens doing it as a sort of experiment of what would happen. The Aliens have enough human DNA from abductions and may have decided to see what the effects were of nuking an entire planet, which is relatively not bad in comparison to what it could have been.
They probably just wanted to knock us down before we made the jump to space
Correction- Elliot of the Mothership Zeta dates to around the time operation anchorage, which the battle of anchorage ended in 2072 (this is known by a fallout 3 loading screen showing a newspaper dated in 2072 saying "Alaska Liberated"
One thing I've never understood about Fallout 4 is that drinking water gives you Rads, but breathing the fucking air doesn't. Apparently, Nuclear Fallout doesn't effect the air in Fallout 4. You'd think they'd make it realistic, but then again, it's Bethesda.
1. possibly nuking the planet is an experiment
2. the samurai didnt have any contact with aliens (aliens contacted them not the other way around)
3. if there were zetans on earth being experimented on and stuff it could be a revenge thing
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