Why I Sold Rokinon Cine Lenses for Vintage Zeiss

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  • @JustinPhillip
    @JustinPhillip  2 роки тому

    My Gear List: kit.co/jpOnFilm

  • @JitDawgBruhDang
    @JitDawgBruhDang 4 роки тому +21

    I love the Rokinons unapologetically. They are sharp, and fast lenses. I’m only going to upgrade to anamorphic. The Zeiss has history and are the best option to build into anamorphic but the zeiss character isn’t’t THAT apparent.

  • @jdsmedia
    @jdsmedia 4 роки тому +1

    Agree 100% with this video. I had started a set of Rokinons, and sold it. Now i have the Sigma Art 18-35 f1.8 and the 24-105 which are great sharp lenses. And started a set of vintage Nikons, already have a 28mm f2.8 ai and a series e 50mm f1.8. Also a Pentax Super Takumar 55mm f1.8, and will buy a whole set of those too. Cool thing is that both the Nikons and Takumars can be adapted to EF perfectly so i can use them with my Metabones SB xl0.64 making them faster. Gotta love vintage lenses.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Yupp! I use the Metabones Cine Lock 🦾🙏🏼🙌🏼

  • @A1Bokeh
    @A1Bokeh 4 роки тому +2

    im liking the cinematic look of the canon fd lenses

  • @TruthReviews
    @TruthReviews 4 роки тому +2

    Dude you genuinely make some of the best videos on UA-cam. Appreciate the time you put into these. I was just about to buy some vintage lenses then found a site that said almost all the ones I was going after were radioactive. Not sure yet if it’s just bs but need to read into it. Going to look at these though. Thanks again for all your videos.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Are they the Takumar’s? It’s not a big deal, Canon FD’s (the older ones) have it as well. The biggest downside to them is that the glass gets yellow, so you have to constantly be baking the lenses with a strong UV light.

    • @TruthReviews
      @TruthReviews 4 роки тому +1

      Justin Phillip yes the Takumar and FDs. I have the Helios 44-2 which apparently doesn’t have that Thorium coating that is the issue. I don’t even have kids but the idea of a kid somehow getting hold of it and putting it in their mouth or the particles being inhaled isn’t great. Then again as you said the levels of radioactivity isn’t probable a big deal. Looking forward to trying these out.

  • @Sky.Storms
    @Sky.Storms 3 роки тому

    We have that aputure light at the rental where I work, you probably need a stronger Battery, like the new SWIT ones. Kind Regards

  • @ericcoen8894
    @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому +2

    I faced the same problem with Rokinon cine ds lens. At the time I bought 16mm T2.2, I found the same problem you mentioned with focus ring: just like some sands in the ring. Then I exchanged it in the next business day. Sounds like Rokinon’s quality control doesn’t work well.

    • @alexshdvideo
      @alexshdvideo 4 роки тому

      Eric Coen i missed my window because I didn’t put my Rokinon 100mm macro NEW through the paces.. scratchy and dust spots/shadows from the get go new in the box. Past exchange date though never used. Shame on me. Cost to fix is more than a used Nikon Macro (Micro) that would be a better lens anyway. Oh well.. live and learn.

    • @ericcoen8894
      @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому

      alexshdvideo where did you buy it?

  • @Marspalacios
    @Marspalacios 3 роки тому +1

    I love that song at the end 👍🏼

  • @weightlessfilms5651
    @weightlessfilms5651 4 роки тому +1

    Great video! Unfortunately Simmod has temporarily shut down their store due to Covid 19. Which is a bummer because I just got my Canon FD 55mm 1.2 that I was looking forward to having them mod. Recently got my FD 28mm back from them, and am thrilled with it. Only strange thing was that they didn't put a red dot to line it up properly when I mount it to my Metabones.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      You should be able to go off the dot on the lens. The FDs have that little red bubble on em

  • @mixedingredients3744
    @mixedingredients3744 4 роки тому +3

    Awesome video! I really love the look of the images and video these lenses produce. I have a sigma 35mm f1.4 and when i compare that picture to that of the carl zeiss theres' just no comparison. You're right, everythings sharp and looks too clinical, but not with vintage lenses. Its also quite fun having to use manual focus.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Have you seen this yet? ua-cam.com/video/ydgzbyrI9BA/v-deo.html

    • @mixedingredients3744
      @mixedingredients3744 4 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip i'll check it out. I just stumbled on your channel. Lots of great content!

  • @mysisterskeeper3347
    @mysisterskeeper3347 3 роки тому +2

    Good review. I agree with going vintage, but a pro-friend's Contax 28mm f2 from the 70s broke down and he says Zeiss won't repair it. Leica will repair any lens they've manufactured since 1964, but at a hefty price.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  3 роки тому

      Yea there is that. But i suppose thats another reason why Leica cost three times as much

    • @mysisterskeeper3347
      @mysisterskeeper3347 3 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip The Lecia factory charged me 300 Euros to merely replace the grease on my old Macro Elmar.

  • @ozzmanzz
    @ozzmanzz 4 роки тому +11

    If you want cine primes and you have the bmpcc 4k DON’T buy a Meike cine prime, if you do you will regret it! Why, because if you get one you’ll end up having an uncontrollable need to buy another and yet another and the only way you’ll stop is if you go broke or buy the full range. They are built like a tank and do a fantastic job especially for the price. You’ve been warned!

    • @thrumyeyesphoto
      @thrumyeyesphoto 4 роки тому +2

      Agreed! The Meike cine lenses are phenomenal. I have the 12mm & 25mm and love them both. Extremely well made and fantastic value for the money.

    • @Deedzproductionz
      @Deedzproductionz 3 роки тому

      Are they mft?

    • @ozzmanzz
      @ozzmanzz 3 роки тому +1

      @@Deedzproductionz These ones are mft but they also make ef primes

    • @Deedzproductionz
      @Deedzproductionz 3 роки тому

      @@ozzmanzz awesome i might consider

  • @andreaslind622
    @andreaslind622 4 роки тому

    Hi! I see you are working on a set of contax but you have one or two of the latest generation "classics" right? I wondering why you choose to go the contax track? Do you think the older contax have better picture or is it a price issue? I myself got the classic planar 50mm ZE (got a really good price), and thinking about getting the 35mm (ZE or ZF with EF adapter) or just make a turn and go the contax track.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +2

      Andreas Lind I wouldnt go with ZE’s, they dont have a physical aperture ring. The classic’s are nice, i may end up ditching all of my Contax (except for the Hollywood) and go all ZF.2

  • @Marspalacios
    @Marspalacios 4 роки тому +2

    Great video Justin. I own a complete set of vintage SMC Super Takumar lenses as well as a couple of Rockinons. Great video!

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Marcelo Palacios Takd are great as well!

    • @pacoreguenga
      @pacoreguenga 3 роки тому +1

      I’m also a Pentax / Takumar guy. And I should add I have some vintage Tamron zooms that I’ve used on a couple full feature films as well.

  • @rinusworldzm
    @rinusworldzm 4 роки тому +3

    I'm keeping my eyes on Zeiss Contax lenses too. For now they aren't in my budget but soon.

    • @fernandonascimento213
      @fernandonascimento213 4 роки тому +1

      But you have to be fast because, they are running out of the market and more expensive now.

    • @rinusworldzm
      @rinusworldzm 4 роки тому +1

      @@fernandonascimento213 I hear you. I'll have to wait to get them. Got some stuff to get through before I can start to buy them up.

    • @ericcoen8894
      @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому +1

      Fernando Nascimento what’s the top 3 must-have Contax lenses?

    • @fernandonascimento213
      @fernandonascimento213 4 роки тому +2

      Eric Yehuda 35mm/1.4, 50mm/1.4, and 85mm/1.4 .

    • @ericcoen8894
      @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому

      Fernando Nascimento thanks. Do you think 28 f2 is overpriced?

  • @luisferrusco5539
    @luisferrusco5539 4 роки тому +1

    I'm so glad of seing tour video. Really help yo tale a final decision.

  • @clayz8098
    @clayz8098 2 роки тому

    If I only had to get 3-4 lenses and want them in way that I can do almost any shot with them in mostly filmmaking and not on a huge budget let's say I wanna spend like 1000-1500$ on lenses, would going with 18mm f4, 28mm f2.8 and 50mm 1.4 be my best option? Which 3 would you pick out of this list (18mm f4, 21mm f2.8, 25mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4)? Also what adapter would I need if I wanted to use these lenses on bmpcc6k or s1h? Thank you so much!

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  2 роки тому

      If those were my only choices, i would prolly go for 18, 28 & the 50. adapter is dependent on what brand of lenses you chose. P6K is EF, so not as wide variety as RF or L mount, but still lots of nice options for vintage

    • @clayz8098
      @clayz8098 2 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip Thanks for the response! Would these 3 Zeiss lenses help me capture shots a bit similar to "Tim Kellner - valley of the shadow" video and does the Zeiss lineup give a similara look to that? His video was shot with Leica R lenses and I've heard the closest affordable look to Leica is the Contax Zeiss lineup. Would you agree with that?

  • @YannickGalaske
    @YannickGalaske 4 роки тому

    Hi Justin! Do you know if the Contax Zeiss Distagon T 28mm f2.8 would be an alternative to the f2? The f2 is breaking the bank for me right now.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Yannick Galaske Yeah sure it would. The 2.8’s are great. Both my 35 & 85 are 2.8’s. They are a little slower, but sharp wide open, so mine just live at f/2.8

    • @YannickGalaske
      @YannickGalaske 4 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip All right, then I will go with this lens first. Thanks for the quick reply and keep up the great work!

  • @Filmmaker809
    @Filmmaker809 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Justin, Can I use these Zeiss lenses for my GH5? As I noticed the mount was for Nikon. Zeiss is from Germany, they make great lenses. I own x2 Sigma art 18-35mm lenses.

  • @diegomalvestio8079
    @diegomalvestio8079 4 роки тому

    Great video Justin. Thank you for your sharing because it makes me think. If you have time, I would appreciate your opinion. I am an "advanced" amateur not a pro. I was used to shoot with C/Y but recently I had a home theft and, among other things, my lens collection was stolen. Then I decided to move to modern Voigtlander lenses to match to my Sony A7RII. Ehm... I don't know but I think I miss something. That's my questions: do you think it's just my "perception" or... there is a technical reasons for my nostalgia? With a 62mp (Sony A7R IV) which lenses would perform better? Modern MF lenses (Voigts) or the old C/Y with the old design and T coatings? I am really torn about selling all my modern CVs stuff and to build another C/Y set-up from scratch. What do you think? Ciao from Italy.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      yeah i much prefer vintage lenses for their unique characterstic qualities.

  • @imp6990
    @imp6990 3 роки тому

    Nice video. Please tell me, would you recommend to use carl zeiss contax lenses on pocket 4k with viltrox? i want to have for example 35mm full frame. And i want for this to use carl zeiss distagon 25mm f2.8 with viltrox. Thank you

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  3 роки тому +1

      Yeah it’ll be great. However for full frame equivalent, you will need Metabones XL. The viltrox is going to give you the Super 35 equivalent frame size

  • @budgetsmartgear1167
    @budgetsmartgear1167 3 роки тому +1

    I also like the contax zeisses. And I bitterly regret selling my german made (no ninja stars warmer colors) 85 1.4 . It was a stellar lens with that lovely 3d rendering that only few lenses in the world can reproduce. But i also love the yashicas. They are really close to the zeisses (build in the same factory as the JJ zeisses). I do own the 12mm t2.2 samyang vdsrl and use it quite a lot with my BMPCC4K. By the way you have a weird red color problem on that lens blower there in the background.

  • @avinashrawal7928
    @avinashrawal7928 4 роки тому

    Hi Justin please suggest some lens options for full frame cameras, for video even if it is a photo lens ,for prime $500 - $600 for primes, for zoom lenses $1500. I am unable to find a good lens

  • @stevofoo
    @stevofoo 4 роки тому +1

    Another great one!!! Thank you very much!!!

    • @stevofoo
      @stevofoo 4 роки тому +1

      Like you said, I will save up, and buy the lens with better quality!!!

  • @BadKarma714
    @BadKarma714 4 роки тому +3

    Good video I love the dog bark at the end of the intro can I be your fam maybe you can hand them down to me lol JK I love Zeiss lenses what do you think about Hasselblad?

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      BadKarma 714 Those are very nice as well!

  • @alexshdvideo
    @alexshdvideo 4 роки тому +3

    Great review! I also have a set of Rokinon Cine and Cine DS. People ask me and I say they are great for the money and first set. I shoot a lot with my 1960-1990 Nikon’s fixed and a couple zooms for a lot of projects and most of the time Rokinon’s are are clinically better and faster, but I end up shooting a lot with my Nikons or old Zenit.. I may get a couple new Zenit recreations. But back to Rokinon, I bought a set after I lost everything in the fires a couple years ago and when I actually used my Rokinon 100mm macro... it was grinding from the factory and it was past 12 months since I purchased, so they wouldn’t look at it for less than $300.... well, joy... I can get a used Nikon Macro 200mm for less money.. or a Nikon Macro 105mm macro that would blow it away for $150. I also wouldn’t buy used Rokinon’s from ebay... never know what problem you are getting and new Rokinon’s are cheap. You can get used from from Adorama and Bh.. just thoroughly test them before the return expires. But yes I love my old Nikon’s that I have shot with film since 1985 and the lenses where used then... luckily most where with me during the California fires.. so most of them survived, and the ones didn’t I replaced from the used market (ebay) with no problems.. Especially purchasing from Japan. Good used market there for Nikon’s. Same price as US used market after shipping, (2 weeks) but always in top quality used.. not beat down Adorama with ***. (Doesn’t focus, rattles, etc.... oh my god don’t let the return window pass before checking out your used lenses for dark spots, dust, etc at all apertures). But yeah. First starting out? Nikon or Canon old MF lenses. Probably stick with them, if you need the extra couple of stops and focus/aperture gears, then get a couple Rokinon’s. They are decent, though I believe there are some better similarly priced lenses out now. I WOULD NOT INVEST IN THE ROKINON XEEN. Just go with Zeiss. Will be happier. Totally agree with Zeiss lenses for commercial work. People who pay money know. People who pay low might know.. Even people who don’t pay money and you are helping out a small event might know enough to ask. And yes, glass will outlast your next three cameras, unless they burn up in the fire.... but your insurance will reimburse you if you replace them. I’m heading in the opposite direction lately. Lensbaby Velvet series or Lomography Degaurotype Achromatic 64... totally the opposite from fast commercial lenses... but that is where I’m heading for 2020/2021 projects. :)

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Bummer about the lenses getting caught up in the fire, but at least you survived it! 🙌🏼

  • @JOEBLACK1979
    @JOEBLACK1979 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks alot for sharing bro!

  • @O.W_Films
    @O.W_Films 2 роки тому

    thank you!

  • @ericcoen8894
    @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому

    Why do you introduce Nikon mount lenses? Why not EF mount? Do you think I can use Zeiss ZE instead?

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      You can, but ZE’s do not have a physical aputure ring. So you will not be able to properly cine mod those. You can’t de-click the aperture for iris pulls

  • @Swexicaan
    @Swexicaan 4 роки тому

    Sorry if I missed it, but does anyone know what case he's using for his set?

  • @mrhobs
    @mrhobs 4 роки тому

    Interesting, but I'm new so... you modded these lenses? Sounds like a major headache. I want something to fit the Pocket 6k EF mount, but sounds like you had to adapt it, add focus and aperture rings... what else? How did you even do that? Who does that? It probably costs half as much as the lens itself... Is there a simpler solution for using vintage lenses on the Pocket 6k? Also, can someone tell my why a single zoom lens that covers the range of 2 or 3 prime lenses isn't a good idea? Well... I'm just learning a ton, watching a lot of videos, reading articles/tutorials, but some of this never seems to come up.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      GLO-TUBE Zoom lenses dont have as much precision as a prime lens. Take the good with the bad. As far as the mod, yeah, thats how it goes. Check out SimmodLens.com When comparing the prices to a real cine lens, its thousands of dollars cheaper

    • @mrhobs
      @mrhobs 4 роки тому +1

      @@JustinPhillip Fair enough, thanks for the response Justin, been binging your videos today and love your style and tend to agree with your take on things. Just overwhelmed and hard to know how to get started. Don't want to buy tons of gear all at once, or end up with something that's either way overkill for a hobbyist like me, or just too cheap and crappy. And I want to say I'm glad you talked me out of the Rokinon. :P
      Gonna check out that link. Some people have mentioned cheap adapters on Amazon (Canon FD to EF), and yeah... I should really wait 'til I learn more to ask questions. I'm in over my head. Ha, cheers!
      P.S. (I wish Sirui would release an EF mount anamorphic lens. They probably will someday... but maybe you'd advise to steer clear.)

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      GLO-TUBE I’m actually kinda impressed by those Sirui Anamorphics. A buddy of mine just shot a feature with those lenses on the Pocket 4K, prolly the best stuff i’ve seen so far with those lenses

    • @mrhobs
      @mrhobs 4 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip Awesome! I'll keep an eye on them, thanks. :)

  • @96froger
    @96froger 3 роки тому

    I would not consider the rokinons sharp wide open
    Especially the wider lenses... I have used the xeens and rokinons quite a bit and especially on the wider lenses wide open are very soft

  • @danieltang2488
    @danieltang2488 4 роки тому +1

    Good video mate

  • @TrigramProductions
    @TrigramProductions 4 роки тому +1

    As a creative and narrative filmmaker, you always want to make your decisions with creative control. When it comes to auto anything, you don't let the tools make the decisions for you. You always want to exercise control and be the artist and the number one thing artists do is make decisions. Side note: The Rokinons are great lenses for the price point but you outgrow certain gear the higher you move up in your field.

  • @RyansTube86
    @RyansTube86 4 роки тому +4

    so glad i stuck around for the last bit about getting drop-kicked into the L.A river

  • @jkapp374
    @jkapp374 9 місяців тому

    Would you have traded Rokinon Cine lenses for vintage Nikon Nikkor lens set?

  • @LucaBono.Studio
    @LucaBono.Studio 4 роки тому +1

    Guys I didn't finish my set yet...Leica R are better for cinematic look, buy those lenses!

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Twice the price, tho!

    • @LucaBono.Studio
      @LucaBono.Studio 4 роки тому +1

      @@JustinPhillip true, but the market is a bit better with the Leica R.
      Oh man, I can't find the Zeiss C/Y 35 F1.4 and a good 85 F1.4 in Europe...the F2.8 are a bit slow for my needs :(

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Luca Bono On a speedbooster they’re equivalent of an f/2 .

  • @optimumfilms
    @optimumfilms 4 роки тому +1

    Rokinon is a good starter lens, but like you said, they let you down when you know what you're looking for.

  • @Peterwfowler
    @Peterwfowler 4 роки тому +2

    Dang If my AC was that close id feel alittle uncomfortable ....lol

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Endure Films On the hospital bed? 🤣🤣 Gotta do what you gotta do

    • @Peterwfowler
      @Peterwfowler 4 роки тому

      @@JustinPhillip @ 2:24. def cant see a hospital bed 😂

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Endure Films Oh yea!! 🤣🤣 We were shooting in a hospital set in Anaheim and used a hospital bed as a dolly 🤣

  • @artfashionvideo
    @artfashionvideo 3 роки тому +1

    It is a strange idea to compare a budget consumer’s Rokinon/Samyang (no matter if this lens has a proud badge “cinema”) with professional cinema Zeiss. Zeiss is better... of course, Cap!!!

  • @davedevola9266
    @davedevola9266 4 роки тому

    Cool Justin ... I have Rokinon and an assortment of vintage glass, plus the 18-35 ...
    You're opinion resonates with me.
    So much fun finding classic lenses, adapters, and finding an aesthetic that works!
    Stay safe bro ... Dave ✌😃✌

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Dave DeVola Awesome! Thanks, same to you! Glad to hear it

  • @ericcoen8894
    @ericcoen8894 4 роки тому

    You mean sigma 18-35 photo lens?

  • @thetooth
    @thetooth 4 роки тому +1

    Great vid but can you stop driving up the price of zeiss classics i'm trying to build a complete set

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Yeah man, you aint kidding! I saw today, the price of the Hollywood has doubled since i bought it last year!

  • @mychalsimmons4177
    @mychalsimmons4177 Рік тому

    I agree Rokinons are a brginers way into film making....that bring said the thing was said about R & B music then hip hop came and CRUSHED the music game..... ART IS ART use what you like. Nobody knows what brushes or paint Michelangelo used😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @ocukor1
    @ocukor1 4 роки тому +1

    Is it just me, or does anyone else thinks that metabones are slightly ruining the image?

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Oliver Cukor Yeah i think you’re on to something there! Can’t wait to get the Komodo!

  • @spleen.pictures
    @spleen.pictures 4 роки тому +2

    Wrong ! I have the same kit optics, i use it evryday since 5 years with my Canon EOS C500, i Can Say i haven't see any difference with optics 10 times the Price of rokinon...you love just to follow the big studios and dream to be a great movie maker with arri and Zeis...

    • @kaushikfilms1922
      @kaushikfilms1922 4 роки тому

      I want to do make a feature film with Red Komodo. Please suggest me,whats lens I purchase for best resolution.

  • @cs.visuals
    @cs.visuals 4 роки тому +1

    I got the Rokinon 14mm for real estate shots... Absolutely unusable bbecause of the amount of distortion

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Charlie Stevens I used to use both the 10 & the 16 when i did real estate 👌🏼

    • @cs.visuals
      @cs.visuals 4 роки тому +1

      @@JustinPhillip Gotcha, was using a Canon M50 with speedbooster to get full frame 14mm equivalent before. Just recently got the bmpcc4k and a Tamron 11-20. Which is plenty wide enough.
      Good to know the 10 and 16mm have less distortion though 🤘 Loving the down to earth content you're putting out btw

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому +1

      Charlie Stevens Thanks Charlie! Full frame the 10 does vignette tho. But yeah that Tokina is a good one as well, better than the 11-16

  • @masoncombs5312
    @masoncombs5312 4 роки тому +1

    If you care about what people think about your gear, you might be from Hollyweird. Your work should speak for itself, not your gear.

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

      Mason Combs In a perfect world that would be great. But unfortunately in my town, at my level, its hard to get guys to look at your website if you dont a own RED or Alexa

    • @masoncombs5312
      @masoncombs5312 4 роки тому +2

      @@JustinPhillip just know the rest of the country is not that shallow. And yes, you can be successful outside of California... and pay less taxes too.

  • @dkkeyz8815
    @dkkeyz8815 4 роки тому +1

    First comment, I win!

  • @sidelinemediafilms1736
    @sidelinemediafilms1736 4 роки тому

    Your information is incorrect. Also there's 3 versions but the grinding your talking about doesn't exist, you probably had faulty item. You really need to check and verify your information or you start looking like a amateur

    • @JustinPhillip
      @JustinPhillip  4 роки тому

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