Are $450 handlebars & $300 pedals worth it? High Low Ep 7
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2022
- Are expensive bars worth it?
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Ihave the exactly same stamp 1. I got x100 m3 16mm screw for about 5 euros. Worldwidecyclery made a review on these pedals and also recommended to swap the pins.
I have way more grip now.
Would've tried revgrips for high bike, priced like a high bike product and they're also supposed to dampen trail chatter pretty well
And that they definitely do, best grips I ever used.
@@antsmtb i believe it and want to try it but I film and make some videos on my friends yt channel and he pays me with grips from the esi sponsorship
@@adamneulander nothing wrong with esi for sure! And the suspension of revgrips mashed with a carbon bar is sweet heaven! I went through like 20 different grips till I finally bit the 90 on rev and never looked back.
@@antsmtb yeah I'm sure I find em a lot nicer than normal lock ons feel like revgrips would kinda hit different but I'm like 15 so I'm kinda good with whatever
+1 for rev grips. Saving my hands on my hardtail...
If it's too cheap it won't last and if it's expensive you'll be afraid to damage it. Best to stick to mid-range gear, it'll last and won't break the bank if something needs fixing.
I like the way you think, SLX-XT range gear :)
That said, I DO have the Fasst bars and it makes a great, noticeable, and valuable difference. They're made in my hometown so some local pride dictates I own them.
AGREED!!! My dude with my kashima carbon bike I'm complaining about breaking it... and wondering to go with fox performance and an alum frame
Roxkbros pedals and grips for 4 years with aggressive riding and spills. I'll stick to my 20 dollar equip and still be fly. But you do you booboo
@@dl1277 I've used Rockbros pedals before, the bearings were done after only a few weeks of riding. Things like grips, saddle and pedals aren't something i cheap out on anymore.
For the low bike , you can upgrade just the brake levers to any shimano servo wave lever. My bike came with mt200 and switching the levers made all the difference . I didn’t even need to take the cable and calipers off. Just simple lever swap and top lever bleed .
Thinking of trying same thing. What levers did you go with?
It works but the only benefit it is giving you is to get a more agressive bite point. It might feel like you are increasing power but it isn't the case, only different brake feel. Power is dictated by lever/caliper pistons ratio and all the levers produced by shimano have a 10mm lever piston, servowave or not.
@@kevinhodgins9071 Not the original commenter, but there are a lot options you can go with (if you can find them in stock). Deore BL-6100 is i-specEV compatible and the cheapest from prices I've seen so far, BL-MT501 is i-specII compatible and the second cheapest. Both of these have reach adjust, but it's not toolless, if you want that you have to step up to SLX or XT brake levers, but prices for those are all over the place, so I can't really say much for those.
@@kevinhodgins9071 the shimano mt500 levers are their cheapest lever with the servo wave technology, same performance as the high end ones just without the tooless adjustment and cheaper materials, definitely worth the cost saving though
I went with shimano 6100 levers. They were 29 dollars each brand new
if you have an air compressor, it's much easier to remove slip on grips by just lifting the edge of the grip and blowing air under it. You can put them on this way as well. It's fast and easy.
I have one! But I don't have the attachment for that 😮💨
use muc off brake cleaner, use the straw that comes with it and twist when you spray it works every time
I just use a razor blade.
Hypodermic syringe. Inject water through the grips. My wife needed tinziparin injections during pregnancy and I saved the syringes. There's a drawer in my toolbox that would make people think im a smackhead!
The handlebar is probably the most overlooked technical part you can put on your bike. The right bar, the material and how it's made, can make a tremendous difference in your ride. Those fast flexx bars have a ton of great reviews but there's more affordable options in carbon bars with flex technology in the design.
AKA OneUp carbon bars for anyone wondering
@@0timbojim0 oneup carbon bars are the next best thing other than the flex bars.
Yeah but I don’t trust carbon bsrs
I got a one up aluminium bar last month, then another one for my hardtail, then another one for my freeriding bike, one for the wife's trek, one for my son's habit...
Idk if it's in our head but they feel superb
@@jacob.rauschthe aluminium ones are also just right, I filled one with high density foam and it's even better.
Great video! Awesome to see you on platforms! Both bikes look amazing! The high bike is so high end it’s scary!
Agree with your comment about the lack of traction on the Stamp 1’s. Apparently a 10mm pin kit makes all of the difference. I didn’t buy the kit but tightened all of the stock pins on my set as far as they would go. Greatly improved. Grip is now adequate but it’s also not super difficult to adjust foot placement.
Absolutely loving this series Evan, keep up the great work! I reckon you will be at 100k subs by the end of the year.
Love that you do a realistic and helpful budget build.
I'm starting to really look forward to the final wrap-up. The comparisons to the stock build in each weight/timing segment are really important. It would be a ton of shop time, but I'd love to see the full Low + High builds tested and then a "best of" build priced out and tested with the preferred parts from each High VS Low video.
I will grant your wish and do all of the above !
I think there series would have been better with a d6-d7
Great episode, comparing the coil & air on the same bike/same trail was very informative.
This series completely blows out the water the similar PinkBike one. Congrats and keep going, this is both entertaining and informative!
I honestly have to agree. The "Chad" acting is a little cringy, but the content is absolutely on point.
Dude, congrats on your channels great success! Keep humble and keep up the great content bud 👍🙋
It's cool to watch such videos where people buy grips for $40 when I bought for $7 and drove more than 10,000 km on them)) the overpayment, as always, goes for the brand
I have both a hardtail and full suspension. On my hardtail I installed the Fasst flex aluminum bars. It made a world of difference in arm pump and feel! If you experience arm pump the fasst flexx bars are the way to go! The aluminum bars are $100 cheaper than the carbon.
Obviously not. Just get a strong aluminium bar and solid metal pedals, and you're good to go.
Great video , been using flexx bars on my dirt bikes since the day they came out. They are totally awesome bars. I would love to try them on my e mountain bike. Just wish they were a little less money. 👍
Evan, consider using air compressor to remove and install grips. Very clean, very quick.
I got stamp pedals when I got my first mtb and also found them to be pretty weak. Switched to Raceface chesters and they were much better. They look almost exactly alike, but there is a real difference there.
I bought Stamp 1 twice. For its cheap price I can't complain. Then I upgraded to stamp 2 and it's more grippy, definitely worth
Worked very well with five ten freerider, even for pedalling
Can't wait to see the brakes upgrade, you can get some real good stuff for cheap - I got a four pot XT brakeset for 100 pounds! You can simply replace the levers to get pretty close though, as the higher end stuff has a cylinder ratio made for one finger braking rather than 2/3.
I bought a $180 pair of RaceFace Atlas pedals for my new bike. A few weeks later I bought $60 1up composites for my old bike. I like them just as well.
This is the best saga videos from mtb!
I would have used some dmr death grips for the low bike, I personally ride them and they feel absolutely amazing, and have barely worn after everything I've put them through
I totally would have guessed you went PNW bars, grips and their new pedals for low bike. Seriously hope Chad’s insane shopping spree is getting donated by manufacturers or covered by episode sponsor! Amazing series but he is out of control.
Why would manufacturers donate? He decided to go with expensive parts.
@@musicjnky1982 it's not manufacturers, it's the sponsor of the video. they pay him money to advertise on his videos. apart from ad revenue this is how youtubers make money. lots of youtubers do this.
@@musicjnky1982 Sarcasm….but companies do donate or lend parts for review and advertising although not likely the high end expensive brands that Chad drools over!
Evan I am not joking when I say I have watched every single one of your videos 100% of the way through!
Thanks dude! The channel growth is because of you man! Keeps me motivated to keep grinding out content
I have the stamp composite pedals and I just went to a nut and bolt supplier and got longer pins and now they provide plenty of grip best out there in fact and at a fraction of the cost of others
I had some bendy handlebars way back , Girvin made a system using elastomers in the stem. People laughed at my bike 🤣
If your stamp 1's are feeling a little less grippy you can tighten the pins a couple of turns to bump up the pin height by a couple of millimeters.
You can replace the screws in the stamp 1s if you want more grip. The screws in the middle are the same height as the bearing, but it's very easy to get longer ones. Maybe $2 at a local hardware store... Can't fix the pink though
these videos need to be put at the top of pinkbike's front page. it's crazy to me that PINKBIKE, the BIGGEST MTB media group, failed to produce a reasonable high vs low bike series and you, a single human(not sure if you're using editors or camera men), can produce so many videos at 10x the quality and most importantly, put parts on the bikes that actually make sense!
For cheap pedals the Deity Deftraps are the way to go! Almost the same price as TMac's and they´re about 50 bucks, used them and loved them
That's what I use, no complaints, plus they match my bike pretty well
I have a 35mm clamp stem and have hand numbness issues I switched to trail ones carbon bars seemed to help.
I almost got stamp 1s for my new bike but decided to go with alaudark pedals that are pretty similar but have a flatter platform
I really only switch cockpit components if I need to make a fit adjustments or if I want to add some color accents.
For pedals, Raceface chesters are plenty good enough. Never felt like I needed something fancier. Maybe I'm missing out?
Love this series!
hi Evan! been watching the channel for awhile now and I'm glad your finally getting sponsors! also, did you end up finding a filmer?
Evan you put the pedals on with no care of the world of cross threading the cranks. You are a pro!
I think I did it blind too so my hand wasn't in the way of the camera 🤣
Really like this series, I've actually been running the stock pedals on my polygon xtrada 7 and they're not that bad but the plastic is really soft so rock strikes take some pretty big chunks out of them lol. Seeing how long they hold up so I can explain to my wife why I need $300 pedals 😂😂
Great video, those 300$ pedals are a bit pricy if i wanted meal I’d go for some raceface that are about half that price fore sure! Those bars too💶
lol nice donut media format 🤣 the low bike is where its at.
It’s insane how much more subscribers you’ve gotten you used to only have 10k and now your just getting more and more
this is actually my fault
Thanks, I was looking a adding new bars to my Marlin 7. What’d the easiest trail at South Mtn Park that you know of. I’ve tried a couple but realized I needed different tires/ tubeless.
Oh come on, you didn't have to do BOBO like that🤣
Haha it's a character he played in his last video!!
I'm sure you could adjust the studs further out for more grip on the budget CBros pedals.
dang man..i i think want that flex handle bar..lol..nice bikes and nice video..
Would be sick if you make a custom build 275 nukeproof scout or some other aggressive 275 hardtail cuz aggressive hardtails are super fun and sick! Also they look amazing
those pedals are hot. to eliminate almost all arm pump simply angle the brakes higher it increases blood flow and has helped significantly on bike park days
Hyper made a mid drive full suspension for 1500. But it has a freewheel, rear qr and straight headtube but wide enough to attach a adapter
For brakes go with "shigura" . Magura mt5 4 pistion caliper and shimano lever (deore,slx,xt..)
RUFFIN!!!!! ftw love ruffin grips.. as a downhiller... I can say the last thing i want my bars to do is flex like that
Your video’s always Make
me happy keep up the good work
The Ergon grips are totally worth the upgrade imo
As someone who is riding the Stamp 1 Pedals for the past year or so, I have to agree that the fact you can feel the axle in your foot is irritating, as a result I´m using the middle of my foot to pedal more than I would like to, but so far I didn´t have issues with slipping off them. But then again, I´m more of a relaxed cross country / exploration type of rider and not a fast descender.
The ruffian 2.1 are my favorite grips ever. I bought a stockpile in case they modified something.
Yeah I'm that kind of crazy person 😂
I have the GE1 grips and just won't switch them for any other. Also been on the Stamp1 pedals for awhile now. Haven't had any issues but maybe that can be due to the footwear. I've also been a running sneakers on pedals guy...more comfortable and grip IMO.
Another component I'd have changed would've been pedals to deity deftraps and deity tmacs, grippiest composite, and metal pedals you can get.
That last part threat got me to subscribe!
Thanks for seeing this comment even after viewing this a year late😁
I can't live without my Fasst bars! But I ride in Utah (and often in Moab which is ridiculously chattery), so the absorption is fantastic, and you can modify the absorption with different elastomers. If you reduce the bar width on them, you may have to install softer elastomers - which they come with - due to the reduction in the moment arm of shorter bars, though. I had tried RevGrips and they weren't anywhere near as effective and I also use Ergons now. I also don't see a need to go high end on stems. Good flat pedals and shoes are a must, though.
I'm gonna end up selling my Fasst bars, but I agree they've been really good bars
@@EvansMTBSaga If you like them, why are you selling them? Is it the weight?
Need to agree those ergon grips feel really good and almost don’t wear at all
Ergon ge1 r by far the best grips, I bought the oil slick factory and bought them twice again since then. They last such a long time too!
That's good news! I've been using a set since January, but my main bike doesn't get ridden much anymore
From Shimano Mt200 to Trickstuff? That’s serious upgrade!
I really want to try the 1up Carbon bar, once I decide on 25 vs 35 mm rise.
hi! I wanna know if 55 usd trail handbar fits on a Xcaliber 2022 or I need something else to fit it? thanks!!
Getting Hella Donut Media vibes from this intro. 😂 (And whole video)
I think feeling the axle is a common problem with the stamp 1s, at least from what I can tell from Amazon reviews. Something like the RF Chesters would probably not have that problem.
I love the subscription threats 😂
I think you should try mesquite canyon on the white tanks mountains, that is a pretty gnarly trail. Really rough and very techy.
Do those expensive pedals come with titanium bushings?
I think the Staamp 1s use bearings while the fancy Stamps use bushings with that grease port, can you confirm? Thanks
Flexx bar works better than I ever expected and worth every penny.
Could probably make a whole video on just those bars! But this was great vid
Personally, I would have gone with some used Chester's off ebay for pedals and just pick up a replacement pin set. Extremely budget friendly off ebay at 15-30 usd, while also giving you a great gripping platform. You could honestly also pick up a quality aeffect stem/bar set too for 35 usd each. That way both bikes could receive an upgrade while spending no more than 100 dollars on arguably some of the most important parts of your bike (contact points)
Yeah I definitely dropped the ball on the budget side 😂😂 I have some budget builds coming up though, I'll share the idea in the member groups
Taking off slip-on grips: Just use compressed air mate. Squirt it in the hole in the end of the grip. On the 2nd grip, just cover the hole in the bar opposite with the palm of your hand.
What electric compact hand tool there are you using? Mind sharing the info?
Love the donuts media vibe
I’m out here in AZ just moved back any good places you could recommend ride? I e done javelina back in the day but it’s been a while 😂
always look forward to your videos dude
those must be some Trickstuff Breaks! 🤤
I've got a 9 dollar stem 20 dollar bars and 29 dollar pedals all off Amazon and they all work perfectly.
Its a safery hassard on big jumps and rough terain, be careful with that
If it works for you, it's fine. You have to be careful with cheap gear though, especially with things from Amazon. Personally, i'd never hit the trail with a $9 stem, that's just asking for trouble.
just noticed that there's a clip of the low bike in there with new hayes dominion a4 brakes 👀
The stamp 11 be lookin fresh
Yeah they are pretty good!
Maybe you have to buy a good pair of raceface Chester pedals, wallet friendly and tons of grip.
I've seen that a lot of people have the same problem with the resin Stamp pedals. I've never felt it and I had them on my previous mtb and on my current dirt jumper. $300 is a lot for pedals, I thought I was spending a lot by getting $100 OneUp Alloy pedals
Love the series! Wish you could have gotten the 5DEV CNC titanium stem for the high bike, lol. $400 for that masterpiece. But it’s still on preorder.
I had the same issue with the Stamp 1 pedals. Switched to Deity Deftraps and grip was a lot better
I just heard about that stem. I'd love to do a blind test of stems ranging from $10-$400
@@EvansMTBSaga that would be great! I’ve always wondered just how much difference an expensive stem makes.
You can greatly improve the grip of the stamp 1's just by replacing the stock m3 bolts with longer ones.
thanks man!
A popular choice seems to be One Up Carbon bar, they offer it in 20mm and 35mm rise. so I guess the 35mm is just tall enough, for me. I currently use a 38mm bar. so only 3mm more.
That's what bar I'll ultimately be using after all this.
@@EvansMTBSaga I think I will order one and see. I currently have a 38mm Burgtec RideHigh38mm, but but it's very harsh, I can hang off them and they barely move, so bunny hops or just smashing the front wheel feels harsh. I suspect I get some fatigue of them too, one ride I noticed my hands hurt, but that was after not riding for about 2 months, and it was much off road riding.
@@EvansMTBSaga I ordered One Up Carbon bar, yesterday. The Burgtec alloy bar is overly stiff.more suitable name would be PullUpbar, so stiff it takes my whole body weight with barely flexy, if at all.
For 100 dollars you could have bought ergon grips for 30, aluminium flat pedals for 40 and gotten a cheaper handlebar for 30
I hope you start getting more traffic to your videos! Your series deserves the views a lot more than Pinkbikes embarrassing version!
Thanks Nick! Their series definitely inspired me to try it out for myself 😭
Your grip strength rose more with the aluminium bars because your forearms were more warmed up. you need to choose a long rougher trail and test on different days
Excellent series . A really informative resource for budget bike builders in future years too .
I just am starting to think Chad isn't real tho :)
Hey, just wondering how are your other bikes doing?
The box looks like its out of wood. If this is the Case we will see some Trickstuff Brakes🔥
Got to admit, the "low end bike" looks like the best buy for your buck, just change the pins on those pedals, for bigger or thicker pins & it's golden.
Suspension Saddles bro.
And then some loud ass Hubs
Could you do breakes next please 🙏
In my opinion brakes are a big point in how you can ride because if you have esteem to stop safely if you get faster is cruel for riding mtb
...wrote this comment while the vid was going to the end, seems like you have already heard my wish😂
I think you should have gone with Chromag Daggas as pedals for the high bike, I ride the Daggas on my Freeride bike and also on my dirt until I got Stamp 7s for my dirt.
As far as I know there's no difference between the Stamp 7s and 11s in grip and compared to the Chromag Daggas the Stamp 7s feel like plastic bmx pedals.
Ergon grips definitely worth it I love them.
Agreed! I was searching for grip comfort for a while and they cured my problems
For brakes, you should go for the magura mt trails, 4 piston front brake on such a budget is a great value
same i went weith the sport trails (4pot and 2pot in one box) but when they where 318 cad. me and my dad got two sets and he used both 4pots for his build and I used the two 2 pots to upgrade my budget hardtails' tektro brakes. first time trying out the two potters I nearly fliped over on flat ground so I had to adjust the power on them.