Mobil barely wins by a fender because it has more media. The K&N looks like it will flow better so that might be a good choice for cold weather start up. Both appear to suffer from the lack of attention to detail I mentioned on the Summit video. Sloppy glue, some gaps in the pleats are uneven, thin cans, glued seam vs. metal crimp. I have learned alot from watching Whip's videos. I would have never known about any of this including the differences in quality between the brands. Credit for genuinely being able to choose the best oil filter goes to Whip and his efforts to make these awesome videos! 👍💪🔥
M1 now made by Purolator in Fayetteville NC. K&N made by Champ Labs. "Between the two", toss up, whichever is less expensive. I would likely lean M1 here. Thanks for vid.
I recently bought the Mobile 1 filter to use with the mobile 1 synthetic oil I run in my truck. It doesn’t look like is a dimes’ worth of difference in the two filters. If one was out of stock, I’d use the other.
Both good filters. I sometimes imagine the employees saying proudly, "we're not changing our standards. We always put out a great product." Then corporate saying: "we've changed our standards this year. But we will still have the same quality!" I'd rather have the same consistent quality every year. Thanks for another great video.
This is a tough one! I do like the threads on the K&N. The larger holes are a plus. The media seems the same but K&N has less. K&N has always been built for good oil flow. Can is thicker too. I would go with the K&N but they are close.
Wow, I was searching for a comparison between the 2 different brands recently, found your video, and you just happened to use the same Mobil 1 application number M1-212A which my vehicle uses. You did a great job and a very thorough inspection of each and quality wise I wouldn't hesitate to use either. I was wanting to do an oil change soon and found the Mobile 1 in stock while not the K&N (no doubt thanks to the current supply chain shortages) at my local Walmart for nearly the same exact price which made my decision making choice easier. Thanks for your very technical observations and video!
Ill stick with the K&N filter! I run it on a modified hemi motor and oil always comes out decently clean every 4-5k. Others no so much! Theres NO way ill ever use a fram filter, i respect my motor more and fram is junk! Ive seen more issues with fram at the shop i work at than any pther 2 filters combined! Not many use a spring in the bottom anymore, so i use the best flow and filtration for my 4-5k intervals with full synthetic oil. My engine sees high rpm alot and K&N is the only cheap and reliable filter ive used in almost 3 decades of experience.
Good vid with interesting findings, but...I'll take the K&N any day. Been using them for years on my chevy 4.3; has over 323K miles with no problems, 45-50 oil psi at idle with the engine at operating temp, no additives. I owe it to changing the oil every 3K to 4K miles, using (ironically) Mobil 1 10W30, and K&N filters.
I Got 300k miles out of a 4.3 and the transmission also until a drunk college kid hit me. CASTROL 20/50 + LUCAS. Water Pump change is an amazing thing on a 4.3 😁.
@@yankeehillraymie1296 Good for you bud. Gotta watch for them frat boys, those dudes are dangerous. Water pump is easy, wait till you change the timing chain cover and you find out you might have to take the engine out of the car. It will make you wonder wtf they were smoking when they designed that one.
@@Barnekkid my yard is full of cars. I run them till it's over. All of my S-10 blazers like 99-04 the frame cracked all the way around and all the factory welds around the A arms all broke. I just Super Clean pressure washed the frame at my buddies . I used his forklift and raised the front way up cleaned and he welded as much as he could. We both paralyzed lol his welds looked factory no joke like you wouldn't even look at them twice .. the ones going all the way around the frame right behind front wheel. Sorry I drsnk coffe and I need to write a book lol Yellow Beautiful ZR2 BLAZER I have the factory brochures. Was like a little jeep. Paradise CA fire burned it and my Gorgeous Pewter/Silver ZR2 also
You can’t go wrong with these two. I chose Mobil 1 many years ago and do oil changes every 3-4,000 miles. I wouldn’t let my oil filters go to 15-20k though. In the end, use what you can afford and change frequently. If your car is old or hasn’t been care of, consider using liqui moly engine flush, and a high quality oil like penzoil ultra platinum, and add a lubricant additive!
Only use engine flush if your engine is suspiciously dirty inside. Check that first. If you are sure the vehicle has been maintained well and hasn’t had a lot of conventional oil abuse in its life that cousin cause sludge then your fine to not use engine flush.
First off, thank you for the comparison. You do a very good job comparing and contrasting and your camera produces very clear videos. I use the Mobil1 filters for my engine oil filter and I use one for a second/remote mounted automatic transmission fluid filter. I change both out each year and have never had a problem with them. They are always in stock at my local Walmart.
Thanks again buddy for your insight and videos on these filters. Looks like both filters are pretty decent. Keep up the good work Whip!! Have a great weekend and stay safe!
keep in mind K&N black filters are their lower line while the white ones are the higher line. I believe Champion labs makes both of these companies filters.
Yes, I know. Here's an HP I opened in the past and I open another HP this Friday, Aug.19th ua-cam.com/video/S5cEgcmIbGE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
🌴I like the width of the inlet holes for way better oil flow.Cold weather the oil is going to flow hot weather the oil is going to flow better.Ya know the real extra trick which one continues to filter longer.You check the flow rate comparisons but I know the K&N will out flow the others.But still bringing up heat the black glue may let go especially in the summer in traffic.These are a couple of areas I'd like to see them working and where they fail.🌭But... for a heads up the K&N is being counterfeited so you know to check that out there will be a difference in the size of the holes they'll be smaller and more of them compared to an original K&N oil filter.Fram is got some goodies I was interested into Peak performance parts they had a synthetic filter media but haven't seen them but that was way back when that was new.Amsoil is a good spot to check out super big time.Working with a bypass set up is incredible definitely worth your time but for getting oil to where it's gotta go K&N.👌Kewl Channel I like it keep it up my man.Also ... . spicy chicken tenders from Popeyes is goud.🆒
@@WhipCityWrencher 🌴Churches is goud to.My comments keep disappearing hope you get this one.I'm from Chicago always a treat meeting new like minded people that I might have never talked to.Your pretty amazing with your commentary.Reminds me of Zohan with Adam Sandler was a hair dresser some dude he knew that worked at a electrionic store with the cell phones the way he displayed the merchandise.I do that to this day every once in awhile if I can keep a straight face.But anyhow good to meet you kewl 😎 channel.
@@jbtaylor975 Sorry, I dont know why your posts are disappearing. Thanks for letting me know though. And I'm glad you like the channel, and I hope you stick around and keep watching the videos. 😊
These two filters are great.....I used to use these two, along with the Purolator pure 1.....would buy the one that was cheaper of the three.....usually the K&N and Mobile were more money.....Pure one is also an outstanding filter.
I think that particular K&N is the same as the much cheaper Super Tech 20,000 mile with the blue anti drainback valve. I remember you did a video in which you found the Super Tech was the same as the K&N, but just different colors.
Very interesting comparison with these two units. Definitely splitting hairs between these two good filters, you can't go wrong with either one. But that being said I think I would go with the mobil 1.
Every K&N oil filter review I've seen talks about the high flow rate of K&N filters. I would select K&N oil filters if I lived in a place with severe cold temperatures.
I’m from USA and I like mobile one.. I would buy K&N also. I’m a stubborn guy, who has a problem switching, unless my mechanic tells me I have to change.
These filters cross over, so they should approximately have the same bypass setting. Unfortunately, Mobil and K&N don't want to share what that setting is.
I dont know for sure, Good Question. I never really thought about it, but I think it's just a brand color because the Supertech always seem to be blue and the Frams are orange (maybe black too) I forget.
I like a few, Fram Titanium and the Purolator Boss. Also the Fram Ultra and Bosch Premium are probably the best bang for your buck oil filters. I guess a few others I can't think of right now. But I like the Titanium filter a lot, it has a good micron rating with a metal screen backing, and at my local AAP store. I wish the price was a little lower though.
5-10 years ago the Bosch Premium and Mobil Extended (15K) were the exact same filters but the Bosch was usually a few bucks cheaper. OK but never liked the 30 micron rating much and ran both with filter mags. Recently some Bosch Premiums have better numbers.
Currently running Bosch Premium #3410, with a FILTERMAG # SS365PR Magnet Kit. After cutting open the Bosch #3410 with the Filtermag, and seeing the metal that was captured, I would never run without a Filtermag. EVER ! www.mercuryforum.com/forum/grand-marquis-14/1995-grand-marquis-restoration-8937/
Hey Pete, I just started watching some of your videos the past few days after I read about the motorcraft fl820s having tears and rips inside them on Bob is the oil guy forum. So now I've lost faith in one of my favorite filters. So I went to Walmart yesterday and grabbed the K&N silver SO2010 model off the shelf since it cross referenced with the FL820s. I looked this K&N filter over a great deal but one thing I found was that this model has a plastic inner core that the media wraps around. The KN silvers Im seeing being taken apart all over UA-cam show a steel inner core for the media to wrap around. So I find this a big let down and a bit confusing. I was hoping you could do a comparison of the Motorcraft FL820S to the KN silver, Mobil 1, and Fram Ultra equivalent oil filters from Walmart. I would love to see if the KN silver 2010 model you grab also has a plastic inner core. Why would KN skimp out on the 2010 model like this? I was hoping to find the next best alternative to the fl820s filter and it appears it might be the Mobil 1 or Fram XG2. I even looked at the equivalent Super tech oil filters for the FL820S and both the 10k version and the 20k version both skimp out on something. The 10k skimps out with cardboard endcaps and the 20k skimps out with a plastic inner core like the KN silver does. Nobody can seem to make a good comparison to the FL820s filter unless you pay $10-$15 for one which is strange since the Motorcraft is $3.50🤦🏻♂️. Anyway I'm subscribing to your channel because I find it interesting what you do with the oil filters. Thanks😊👍
Thanks for subscribing!👍 It will be a while before I can do a comparison as I have a lot of requests ahead of you. But I make a note of it and make a video as soon as I can. Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher sounds great. Or just take a peek at the 2010 KN silver while you're in wally world next time. I still can't believe KN used a plastic inner core on the only filter I needed but used steel on the rest of them🤦🏻♂️. I was so hoping KN silver was gonna fit the bill as my next go to filter😢
I’ve used many different brands of filters over the past 40 Years and I only use Mobil 1 Extended and Purolator Boss , Seem to be quality ones for the price
Buy SuperTech. All I run on my trucks, Jeep, the wife and daughters cars. I use Amsoil on the motorcycles. I’ve tried different oils and the Amsoil holds up better than any with the heat a big air cooled VTwin produces. I was changing it every 2-2,500 with Mobile 1 bc it turned black and thinned out. The Amsoil runs cooler and looks better at the 4-4,500 when I change it. I do change the filters every 2k. I find ways to spend money on my bikes, that’s what the wife says anyway.
I've opened an Amsoil filter before but not one that fits a motorcycle. The insides would be the same only smaller. Here's the vid.ua-cam.com/video/ePzbGowgRtg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I wouldn’t choose either one. The 30 micron rating is too large to take out enough particulate in the 10 to 20 micron range where experts say most wear occurs
I’ve used the K&N silver several times w/o an issue. I wonder how the Mobil 1 stacks up against the Mobil 1 extended performance, since there’s a decent price difference.
I hate to say anything that friend makes looks better but the other day you did a comparison between the frame and the mobile I think for him it's been released in a live filter had nicer media infants and these are one of those
Just found this channel, have to say I really enjoy it so far! You’d think as a GM automotive technician I would’ve done this myself but I never have. I went to school for GM ASEP (General Motors Automotive Service Excellence Program) after I was medically discharged 7 years into what I hoped would be a career in the military. Unfortunately my back problems suffered in the military became so bad that I lost my job at the Stealership I worked at but thankfully was finally recognized as being a “fully” disabled combat veteran by the VA. I still do my own maintenance work and that’s how I found your channel. The Mobil One filter you used is the same one that fits on my vehicle and I was wondering if it was really worth the money, I mean I have been using them along with the same oil for years but with the economy being in the crapper thanks to the Communist REGIME currently occupying the White House money is extremely tight for those of us on a fixed income and I didn’t want to spend the money on it if it wasn’t worth it. After seeing your breakdown I feel better about continuing to purchase them, as I do my oil changes every 8,000 miles with the Mobil One Extended Performance Oil. Again great video and a new subscriber!
Thank you for Serving!👍👍 Sorry to hear about your back, I have a bad back also from an automobile accident that happened 22 years ago. Glad you like the channel! Take Care!
the K&N is made by Champ labs and the mobile is made by Purolator, I give the win to the Mobil1 but not by a big margin, I can't believe how bad their assembly quality is compared to a Mann oil filter made in Germany, knowing that Mann owns Purolator oil filter and this is the quality they give us?
They used to be, Mobil is now made by Mann and Hummel. Thanks for your feedback!👍 www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/mobil-limited-warranties/mobil-1-extended-performance-oil-filter-limted-warranty
It has to be a different manufacturer for the Canon than it used to be because they used to be white and they had the nut on the button now I see the nut has been deleted so I figured probably boss or something I'll be surprised if it's any different than the mobile one filter
The holes don't make a difference.They are tested for flow.Main difference will be the area of media.And I like the bypass on the Mobile.It does't have to be totally plugged to open.Also the mobile will filter more particles with that area.
I'm not impressed with either one, given their reputations and the advertising that these are both premium filters. I've seen Mobil 1 filters cut open that had sloppy crimps, torn or discolored media and even rust inside! K&N media looks like cardboard paper and no backing meche. Maybe I'm being too critical but definitely would not go pass 5K miles with either filter...wouldn't use either one. At least you got them for 10 bucks at Walmart. I'm sure they're 4 or 5 dollars more at auto parts stores unless they're on sale.
@@davidwhite2011 The Mann filter and the Summit filter that Whip recently checked out were both nice filters IMO. I typically use Wix or Wix XP or the equivalent NAPA Platinum made by Wix. Recently I've been using a Purolator Boss filter on my Honda Civic as it's much better made than the Honda OEM which is the low end Honeywell/Fram. I'm liking the Purolator Boss more and more. But now, Mann+Hummel owns Wix, Purolator and Mann filters so I hope they don't get rid of some of the unique characteristics of each brand and try to blend them all into one. I also still use the OEM filter on my 2007 Toyota Tacoma which is made by Denso. It's a good quality filter and I believe that Whip has analyzed Toyota or Denso filters in the past. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Thank you for another good review. Although they are both good filters I'm surprised how sloppy they are made. They look like they were made in China. On the flip side, the Summit filter you recently reviewed puts these 2 filters to shame.
Actually, all of the filters Whip has opened up here that came from China look real clean. Way better than the ones made here. USA has the problem with sloppiness not the aisian filters. Check out last weeks filter video about the Summit racing filter if you don't believe me. It was made in China and blows both of these filters out of the water....
Wow people changing synthetic oil every 3-4k miles seems like a waste. I go 8-12k depending on vehicle use and time of year. Been doing that for decades and millions of miles without issue. And unlike most I keep my vehicles for at least 300k miles and use them hard, off road, towing, etc.
Would much rather save my money and buy the super tech MP line of filters (your video of the MP10575 oil filter fits the same vehicles as the mobil and K&n in this video). ST has the same micron rating but light years cleaner than these two oil filters(excess glue). Also has more filter media. Great informative video once again whip! I will stick with Fram ultra for my high end needs and super tech MP for bang for buck!
Had a Mobil 1 filter on my 350z, thought i would try a k&n this time, removed old filter, drained the oil, went to spin the k&n on and it went 1/2 turn and stopped dead, would go any further, had to return the k&n and this time got another mobil 1. It spun right on, no problem. I Will not be purchasing anymore k&n filters. Had to make a 30 mile round trip because of poor quality threads on the k&n.
Me gramps runs 🚕 🚖 HARD working Taxis. In miami Fl.. 🌞 ☀️ extreme Heat. He uses only K. N,🎉🎉OIL FILTERS❤❤ NEVER A PROBLEM .TAXIS ALL HAVE OVER 500.OOO. ++ miles. Castrol EDGE,, HIGH MILAGE,10.W. 4O...OIL🎉🎉🎉
Too bad been looking for this same Mobil one filter at Walmart , for 6 months they haven't had it , but have a slot for it. Had too give $15.99 at O'Reilly's for it. What a rip off.
I would not use a filter that has the bypass valve located in the leaf spring. All you've got is a metal to metal interface between the leaf spring and the open end cap of the filter element. What kind of seal is that when you've got 40psi of oil pressure? I'd be willing to bet some unfiltered oil is leaking past there. Same reason I would not use a filter that has a modular bypass valve located at the top of the filter. Metal to metal interface there too. An upper bypass valve should be made into the filter end cap. No seal and leakage issues with that.
I like the upper/dome end bypass valve also (the ones like the Motorcraft have). But if you look at them upper bypass valves there's a spring in there also and it's a metal-to-metal contact. the only way to have a perfect seal is if there was some kind of gasket involved. But in all reality, as much oil that would probably go through there is very little. Something to think about though🤔 Thanks for sharing!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher True. And some filters (like Fram's XG series) have a gasket on the end cap for the interface with the leaf spring. As for the upper (baseplate end) bypass valves, it might be worth tearing into one of those to see if there actually is some sort of seal in there other than a metal to metal interface.
Overall, the K&N would be my choice. The wall is thicker and the valves are both silicone. Less filter media but not stained. Larger intake holes mean better flow. Fram full synthetic is also a good choice not the cheap one
Only if it's different than the New ones. Some filters haven't changed much in the last few years. I would want to compare it to a New one that is still made the same.
Fwiw, 02 sequoia gets better oil pressure at idle (600 rpm) with the mobil1 vs the K&N.
Thanks For Sharing👍
Mobil barely wins by a fender because it has more media. The K&N looks like it will flow better so that might be a good choice for cold weather start up. Both appear to suffer from the lack of attention to detail I mentioned on the Summit video. Sloppy glue, some gaps in the pleats are uneven, thin cans, glued seam vs. metal crimp. I have learned alot from watching Whip's videos. I would have never known about any of this including the differences in quality between the brands. Credit for genuinely being able to choose the best oil filter goes to Whip and his efforts to make these awesome videos! 👍💪🔥
Thank You!
I appreciate it very much😊
The media is the flow restriction.
Length does not mean better filtering, it's the technology in the filter media bedding itself.
Mobil has had some ok filters but Nothing to brag about
@@FordBossMe Agreed!👍
@@FordBossMe nice seeing the guy here :DDD
I’ve been using Mobile one and a k&n oil filter on my 2012 Honda civic since it was new now has almost 300000 miles on it no problems 😊
M1 now made by Purolator in Fayetteville NC. K&N made by Champ Labs. "Between the two", toss up, whichever is less expensive. I would likely lean M1 here. Thanks for vid.
You're Welcome! Faxmen09,
Thanks for your feedback👍
I recently bought the Mobile 1 filter to use with the mobile 1 synthetic oil I run in my truck. It doesn’t look like is a dimes’ worth of difference in the two filters. If one was out of stock, I’d use the other.
Use the K & N on my ‘20 Silverado, 5.3. Amzoil 0W-20 oil. That is what I use
I like the larger inlet holes on K+N
TOP OIL FILTER🎉🎉❤❤ K.and. N!!!
Both good filters. I sometimes imagine the employees saying proudly, "we're not changing our standards. We always put out a great product." Then corporate saying: "we've changed our standards this year. But we will still have the same quality!" I'd rather have the same consistent quality every year. Thanks for another great video.
I agree.
Thanks for sharing👍
I wouldn't trust either company, too much garbage alongside their ok lines.
I have been using mobil 1 for ever and had no problem with this product. My choice is Mobil 1.
This is a tough one! I do like the threads on the K&N. The larger holes are a plus. The media seems the same but K&N has less. K&N has always been built for good oil flow. Can is thicker too. I would go with the K&N but they are close.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Wow, I was searching for a comparison between the 2 different brands recently, found your video, and you just happened to use the same Mobil 1 application number M1-212A which my vehicle uses. You did a great job and a very thorough inspection of each and quality wise I wouldn't hesitate to use either. I was wanting to do an oil change soon and found the Mobile 1 in stock while not the K&N (no doubt thanks to the current supply chain shortages) at my local Walmart for nearly the same exact price which made my decision making choice easier. Thanks for your very technical observations and video!
You're Welcome! and Thank You! I appreciate the compliment.👍
Glad you liked the video!😊
Ill stick with the K&N filter! I run it on a modified hemi motor and oil always comes out decently clean every 4-5k. Others no so much!
Theres NO way ill ever use a fram filter, i respect my motor more and fram is junk! Ive seen more issues with fram at the shop i work at than any pther 2 filters combined!
Not many use a spring in the bottom anymore, so i use the best flow and filtration for my 4-5k intervals with full synthetic oil. My engine sees high rpm alot and K&N is the only cheap and reliable filter ive used in almost 3 decades of experience.
Both are great brands and both work excellent it just depends what you use on your vehicle
Good vid with interesting findings, but...I'll take the K&N any day. Been using them for years on my chevy 4.3; has over 323K miles with no problems, 45-50 oil psi at idle with the engine at operating temp, no additives. I owe it to changing the oil every 3K to 4K miles, using (ironically) Mobil 1 10W30, and K&N filters.
Thanks for sharing👍
I Got 300k miles out of a 4.3 and the transmission also until a drunk college kid hit me. CASTROL 20/50 + LUCAS.
Water Pump change is an amazing thing on a 4.3 😁.
@@yankeehillraymie1296 Good for you bud. Gotta watch for them frat boys, those dudes are dangerous. Water pump is easy, wait till you change the timing chain cover and you find out you might have to take the engine out of the car. It will make you wonder wtf they were smoking when they designed that one.
@@Barnekkid my yard is full of cars. I run them till it's over. All of my S-10 blazers like 99-04 the frame cracked all the way around and all the factory welds around the A arms all broke. I just Super Clean pressure washed the frame at my buddies . I used his forklift and raised the front way up cleaned and he welded as much as he could. We both paralyzed lol his welds looked factory no joke like you wouldn't even look at them twice .. the ones going all the way around the frame right behind front wheel. Sorry I drsnk coffe and I need to write a book lol Yellow Beautiful ZR2 BLAZER I have the factory brochures. Was like a little jeep.
Paradise CA fire burned it and my Gorgeous Pewter/Silver ZR2 also
I have a Chevy 4.3 also with 275k
You can’t go wrong with these two. I chose Mobil 1 many years ago and do oil changes every 3-4,000 miles. I wouldn’t let my oil filters go to 15-20k though. In the end, use what you can afford and change frequently. If your car is old or hasn’t been care of, consider using liqui moly engine flush, and a high quality oil like penzoil ultra platinum, and add a lubricant additive!
Thanks for sharing!
Only use engine flush if your engine is suspiciously dirty inside. Check that first. If you are sure the vehicle has been maintained well and hasn’t had a lot of conventional oil abuse in its life that cousin cause sludge then your fine to not use engine flush.
The Mobil 1 oil filter looks very similar to the Puralotor. The K&N looks like a Champ Luberfiner filter with a Fram stamped leaf spring .
First off, thank you for the comparison. You do a very good job comparing and contrasting and your camera produces very clear videos. I use the Mobil1 filters for my engine oil filter and I use one for a second/remote mounted automatic transmission fluid filter. I change both out each year and have never had a problem with them. They are always in stock at my local Walmart.
Thank You! I appreciate the compliment!😊and
Thanks for sharing!👍
The Mobil defiantly is a Purolator. It would be interesting to compare it to a Purolator 1 Filter. K&N looks like a Champ labs filter.
I like both , but k&n having the larger holes for an increased flow and thicker can, ill go k&n first, M1 second choice but I like both👍🏾
I’ll go with K&N oil filter 👍
Thanks again buddy for your insight and videos on these filters. Looks like both filters are pretty decent. Keep up the good work Whip!!
Have a great weekend and stay safe!
Thank You!
Glad you like the video!😊
Take Care, have a good weekend and stay safe also!
keep in mind K&N black filters are their lower line while the white ones are the higher line. I believe Champion labs makes both of these companies filters.
Yes, I know.
Here's an HP I opened in the past and I open another HP this Friday, Aug.19th ua-cam.com/video/S5cEgcmIbGE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Good video. I always use Mobil 1 but K&N seems like a fine product as well. I was surprised at the thinness of the Mobil can.
Thank You!
Yep, they are pretty equal.
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🌴I like the width of the inlet holes for way better oil flow.Cold weather the oil is going to flow hot weather the oil is going to flow better.Ya know the real extra trick which one continues to filter longer.You check the flow rate comparisons but I know the K&N will out flow the others.But still bringing up heat the black glue may let go especially in the summer in traffic.These are a couple of areas I'd like to see them working and where they fail.🌭But... for a heads up the K&N is being counterfeited so you know to check that out there will be a difference in the size of the holes they'll be smaller and more of them compared to an original K&N oil filter.Fram is got some goodies I was interested into Peak performance parts they had a synthetic filter media but haven't seen them but that was way back when that was new.Amsoil is a good spot to check out super big time.Working with a bypass set up is incredible definitely worth your time but for getting oil to where it's gotta go K&N.👌Kewl Channel I like it keep it up my man.Also ... . spicy chicken tenders from Popeyes is goud.🆒
@@jbtaylor975 Thank You,
Glad you like the channel😊
I like Popeyes, but I really like the famous bowl at Kentucky fried chicken.
@@WhipCityWrencher 🌴Churches is goud to.My comments keep disappearing hope you get this one.I'm from Chicago always a treat meeting new like minded people that I might have never talked to.Your pretty amazing with your commentary.Reminds me of Zohan with Adam Sandler was a hair dresser some dude he knew that worked at a electrionic store with the cell phones the way he displayed the merchandise.I do that to this day every once in awhile if I can keep a straight face.But anyhow good to meet you kewl 😎 channel.
@@jbtaylor975 Sorry, I dont know why your posts are disappearing.
Thanks for letting me know though.
And I'm glad you like the channel, and I hope you stick around and keep watching the videos. 😊
Should be using K & N gold filter. White with welded on nut for easy removal. Best K&N filter.
Motorcycle, I use K&N, it has a 17mm hex head nut so it can be installed and removed with a socket,
That's a good feature, I especially like the filters that you can use a 3/8" ratchet on.
Both well made filters with a good reputation. Good test, comparison and review.
Thank You!😊
I have always gone with Mobil 1, always will. Never a problem and they have a great reputation.
I cut open a bunch myself and Supertech 10k filter is exactly the same as ACDelco
Awesome Duke out! To me looks like Mobil one takes the win. Still for the price Mobil one should be 99% effective at at least 23 microns.
Thank You! and
Thanks for your feedback👍
Thanks for this video inspection
Hi Steven,
You're Welcome!
Well I use mobile 1 in my daily and k&n in my ls2 gto. No complaints about either
Thanks for sharing!
And Mobil 1 oil in both
I used the mobile filter on my Vette with Lucas oil stabilizer and Mobil one.
Both these filters have gone up $3.00 at Wally World (Oct. 2022)
since the making of this video.
These two filters are great.....I used to use these two, along with the Purolator pure 1.....would buy the one that was cheaper of the three.....usually the K&N and Mobile were more money.....Pure one is also an outstanding filter.
They are very similar filters.I would probably just stay with the Mobil-1.
I think that particular K&N is the same as the much cheaper Super Tech 20,000 mile with the blue anti drainback valve. I remember you did a video in which you found the Super Tech was the same as the K&N, but just different colors.
Really?
Yup 😊
My gramps run TAXIS NON STOP. 🚕🚖HE USED BOTH. K n. N. DOES THE BEST OVERALL. IT ALLOWS MORE BREATHBREATHING ROOM. AND IS STURDIER
Very interesting comparison with these two units. Definitely splitting hairs between these two good filters, you can't go wrong with either one. But that being said I think I would go with the mobil 1.
Hi, 404,
Yep, I think they are pretty much tied.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Every K&N oil filter review I've seen talks about the high flow rate of K&N filters. I would select K&N oil filters if I lived in a place with severe cold temperatures.
Great video I use k&N and Ryco fillets
Thank You!😊
Great video, much appreciated
Thank You👍
Most relaxing channel on UA-cam...
I’m from USA and I like mobile one.. I would buy K&N also. I’m a stubborn guy, who has a problem switching, unless my mechanic tells me I have to change.
Thanks for your feedback!
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20K miles !!! I never go beyond 5K miles between changes.
I'm with you and prefer to larger holes. I also prefer a thicker can. Given the advertised numbers, I'd go with the K&N.
Important....What is the Bypass PSI Rating of Each?
Does the PSI Rating of the Bypass Valve Match?
These filters cross over, so they should approximately have the same bypass setting. Unfortunately, Mobil and K&N don't want to share what that setting is.
Does the color of the bypass valve relate to it's rating or is that just colored for the brand of filter?
I dont know for sure,
Good Question. I never really thought about it, but I think it's just a brand color because the Supertech always seem to be blue and the Frams are orange (maybe black too) I forget.
Hey whip city wrencher. What is your personal favorite filter of choice?
I like a few, Fram Titanium and the Purolator Boss. Also the Fram Ultra and Bosch Premium are probably the best bang for your buck oil filters. I guess a few others I can't think of right now. But I like the Titanium filter a lot, it has a good micron rating with a metal screen backing, and at my local AAP store. I wish the price was a little lower though.
Thanks Mr.whip😊
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5-10 years ago the Bosch Premium and Mobil Extended (15K) were the exact same filters but the Bosch was usually a few bucks cheaper.
OK but never liked the 30 micron rating much and ran both with filter mags. Recently some Bosch Premiums have better numbers.
Thanks for sharing!👍
Currently running Bosch Premium #3410, with a FILTERMAG # SS365PR Magnet Kit.
After cutting open the Bosch #3410 with the Filtermag, and seeing the metal that was captured, I would never run without a Filtermag. EVER !
www.mercuryforum.com/forum/grand-marquis-14/1995-grand-marquis-restoration-8937/
Hey Pete, I just started watching some of your videos the past few days after I read about the motorcraft fl820s having tears and rips inside them on Bob is the oil guy forum. So now I've lost faith in one of my favorite filters. So I went to Walmart yesterday and grabbed the K&N silver SO2010 model off the shelf since it cross referenced with the FL820s. I looked this K&N filter over a great deal but one thing I found was that this model has a plastic inner core that the media wraps around. The KN silvers Im seeing being taken apart all over UA-cam show a steel inner core for the media to wrap around. So I find this a big let down and a bit confusing. I was hoping you could do a comparison of the Motorcraft FL820S to the KN silver, Mobil 1, and Fram Ultra equivalent oil filters from Walmart. I would love to see if the KN silver 2010 model you grab also has a plastic inner core. Why would KN skimp out on the 2010 model like this? I was hoping to find the next best alternative to the fl820s filter and it appears it might be the Mobil 1 or Fram XG2. I even looked at the equivalent Super tech oil filters for the FL820S and both the 10k version and the 20k version both skimp out on something. The 10k skimps out with cardboard endcaps and the 20k skimps out with a plastic inner core like the KN silver does. Nobody can seem to make a good comparison to the FL820s filter unless you pay $10-$15 for one which is strange since the Motorcraft is $3.50🤦🏻♂️. Anyway I'm subscribing to your channel because I find it interesting what you do with the oil filters.
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It will be a while before I can do a comparison as I have a lot of requests ahead of you.
But I make a note of it and make a video as soon as I can. Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher sounds great. Or just take a peek at the 2010 KN silver while you're in wally world next time. I still can't believe KN used a plastic inner core on the only filter I needed but used steel on the rest of them🤦🏻♂️. I was so hoping KN silver was gonna fit the bill as my next go to filter😢
I’ve used many different brands of filters over the past 40 Years and I only use Mobil 1 Extended and Purolator Boss , Seem to be quality ones for the price
JUST TRY. K and N🎉🎉,, YOU WILL LOVE THE SMOOTH EASY FLOW,, AND STURDY HEAVY CONSTRUCTION . THE WELDED ON NUT,,IS SO YOU NEVER GET STUCK.
It's a toss up. But I go with the m/1 don't like the nut type on the K N .
Both are good oil filters. I would more likely pick the Mobil 1 filter. Thanks for sharing. Merri :)
Hi Merri,
Thanks for your feedback👍
Love Filter Friday!
Both are great filters! I would not want to run them for 20k, that is a lot of miles and time for service.
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Great video as always. Great job!
Thank You!
Glad you enjoyed it!😊
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Buy SuperTech. All I run on my trucks, Jeep, the wife and daughters cars. I use Amsoil on the motorcycles. I’ve tried different oils and the Amsoil holds up better than any with the heat a big air cooled VTwin produces. I was changing it every 2-2,500 with Mobile 1 bc it turned black and thinned out. The Amsoil runs cooler and looks better at the 4-4,500 when I change it. I do change the filters every 2k. I find ways to spend money on my bikes, that’s what the wife says anyway.
I had an 83 Harley that I bought New, and I only treated with good stuff. Thanks for sharing.👍
I’d like to see a comparison of cartridge filters for the Pentastar 3.6 K&N vs Mopar.
Pete, you should have asked, i have an extra m1-212 i could have sent you with the last package.
Have you cut open an Amsoil filter? I’m interested to see a comparison of motorcycle filters.
I've opened an Amsoil filter before but not one that fits a motorcycle. The insides would be the same only smaller.
Here's the vid.ua-cam.com/video/ePzbGowgRtg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I've used the Mobil 1. Heavy and great. Go with Napa platinum.
My local Walmart doesn't carry my size filter for mobil 1 & my 5W20 engine oil as well. So I went with K&N & Castrol Edge as my primary engine oil.
Mine has a low in-store inventory also, you may have to order them online.
Thanks for sharing!👍
I wouldn’t choose either one. The 30 micron rating is too large to take out enough particulate in the 10 to 20 micron range where experts say most wear occurs
Thanks for your feedback👍
Both are good filters !
Thanks for the feedback!
Another great review! 👍
Thanks Ella,
Have a Great weekend! Supposed to be nice today as was yesterday.😊
@@WhipCityWrencher, Thanks! Yeah, looks like a heatwave in February. Love it! You also have a great weekend! 🙂
I’ve used the K&N silver several times w/o an issue. I wonder how the Mobil 1 stacks up against the Mobil 1 extended performance, since there’s a decent price difference.
As far as I know, all the Mobil filters being made now are labeled extended performance.
Great video. Thank you.
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I hate to say anything that friend makes looks better but the other day you did a comparison between the frame and the mobile I think for him it's been released in a live filter had nicer media infants and these are one of those
Not sure what you mean?
Just found this channel, have to say I really enjoy it so far! You’d think as a GM automotive technician I would’ve done this myself but I never have. I went to school for GM ASEP (General Motors Automotive Service Excellence Program) after I was medically discharged 7 years into what I hoped would be a career in the military. Unfortunately my back problems suffered in the military became so bad that I lost my job at the Stealership I worked at but thankfully was finally recognized as being a “fully” disabled combat veteran by the VA. I still do my own maintenance work and that’s how I found your channel.
The Mobil One filter you used is the same one that fits on my vehicle and I was wondering if it was really worth the money, I mean I have been using them along with the same oil for years but with the economy being in the crapper thanks to the Communist REGIME currently occupying the White House money is extremely tight for those of us on a fixed income and I didn’t want to spend the money on it if it wasn’t worth it. After seeing your breakdown I feel better about continuing to purchase them, as I do my oil changes every 8,000 miles with the Mobil One Extended Performance Oil. Again great video and a new subscriber!
Thank you for Serving!👍👍
Sorry to hear about your back, I have a bad back also from an automobile accident that happened 22 years ago.
Glad you like the channel!
Take Care!
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Both look good to me. I guess it comes down to cost and preference.
K & N.
the K&N is made by Champ labs and the mobile is made by Purolator, I give the win to the Mobil1 but not by a big margin, I can't believe how bad their assembly quality is compared to a Mann oil filter made in Germany, knowing that Mann owns Purolator oil filter and this is the quality they give us?
Hi, bud,
Thanks for your feedback!👍
If there was a points system for oil filters this probably would be a draw !
Both are champion labs filters made to slightly different specs for the different brands
They used to be, Mobil is now made by Mann and Hummel. Thanks for your feedback!👍
www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/mobil-limited-warranties/mobil-1-extended-performance-oil-filter-limted-warranty
Should I trust the k&n advertising 20,000 mile and only change the oil this time around?
You probably can but I like to change my oil filter when I change my oil.
It has to be a different manufacturer for the Canon than it used to be because they used to be white and they had the nut on the button now I see the nut has been deleted so I figured probably boss or something I'll be surprised if it's any different than the mobile one filter
Hi Joe,
As far as I know, you can still get the White K&N HP filters at places like Auto Zone. This K&N SO filter in the video comes from Walmart.
Mobil 1 is a cleaner filter SLOPPY glue mess on K&N & less filter media too
I like the K&N better. I like the bigger holes and the thicker can and the better fitting anti drain back valve
Thanks for sharing.👍
If they look the same - there's probably a good reason for that. , pretty sure both K&N and Mobil oil filters are made by Champion Labs in the USA.
The holes don't make a difference.They are tested for flow.Main difference will be the area of media.And I like the bypass on the Mobile.It does't have to be totally plugged to open.Also the mobile will filter more particles with that area.
Both of em 30 microns. A good filter should be at least 20 microns 99% efficient
Counting pleats is pointless if you don't take into account the depth of the pleats. Really you need to take the filter media out and measure it.
Click here at 9:42 I do measure them. You must not have watched the whole video.
I'm not impressed with either one, given their reputations and the advertising that these are both premium filters. I've seen Mobil 1 filters cut open that had sloppy crimps, torn or discolored media and even rust inside! K&N media looks like cardboard paper and no backing meche. Maybe I'm being too critical but definitely would not go pass 5K miles with either filter...wouldn't use either one. At least you got them for 10 bucks at Walmart. I'm sure they're 4 or 5 dollars more at auto parts stores unless they're on sale.
Which one are you impressed with?
Yep, I think Walmarts the least expensive place to get filters.
Thanks for your feedback👍
@@davidwhite2011 The Mann filter and the Summit filter that Whip recently checked out were both nice filters IMO. I typically use Wix or Wix XP or the equivalent NAPA Platinum made by Wix. Recently I've been using a Purolator Boss filter on my Honda Civic as it's much better made than the Honda OEM which is the low end Honeywell/Fram. I'm liking the Purolator Boss more and more. But now, Mann+Hummel owns Wix, Purolator and Mann filters so I hope they don't get rid of some of the unique characteristics of each brand and try to blend them all into one.
I also still use the OEM filter on my 2007 Toyota Tacoma which is made by Denso. It's a good quality filter and I believe that Whip has analyzed Toyota or Denso filters in the past. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Thank you for another good review. Although they are both good filters I'm surprised how sloppy they are made. They look like they were made in China. On the flip side, the Summit filter you recently reviewed puts these 2 filters to shame.
Actually, all of the filters Whip has opened up here that came from China look real clean. Way better than the ones made here. USA has the problem with sloppiness not the aisian filters. Check out last weeks filter video about the Summit racing filter if you don't believe me. It was made in China and blows both of these filters out of the water....
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Wow people changing synthetic oil every 3-4k miles seems like a waste. I go 8-12k depending on vehicle use and time of year. Been doing that for decades and millions of miles without issue. And unlike most I keep my vehicles for at least 300k miles and use them hard, off road, towing, etc.
Would much rather save my money and buy the super tech MP line of filters (your video of the MP10575 oil filter fits the same vehicles as the mobil and K&n in this video). ST has the same micron rating but light years cleaner than these two oil filters(excess glue). Also has more filter media. Great informative video once again whip! I will stick with Fram ultra for my high end needs and super tech MP for bang for buck!
Thank You!
Glad you liked the video! and sounds like you have a good filter plan👍
Mobile looks like a larger diameter. You said the K&N is taller.
That's correct, the Mobil ended up having about 16 sq. in. more filter media.
Had a Mobil 1 filter on my 350z, thought i would try a k&n this time, removed old filter, drained the oil, went to spin the k&n on and it went 1/2 turn and stopped dead, would go any further, had to return the k&n and this time got another mobil 1. It spun right on, no problem. I
Will not be purchasing
anymore k&n filters. Had to make a 30 mile round trip because of poor quality threads on the k&n.
That's a bummer🙁
Thanks for Sharing!
Me gramps runs 🚕 🚖 HARD working Taxis. In miami Fl.. 🌞 ☀️ extreme Heat. He uses only K. N,🎉🎉OIL FILTERS❤❤ NEVER A PROBLEM .TAXIS ALL HAVE OVER 500.OOO. ++ miles. Castrol EDGE,, HIGH MILAGE,10.W. 4O...OIL🎉🎉🎉
Too bad been looking for this same Mobil one filter at Walmart , for 6 months they haven't had it , but have a slot for it. Had too give $15.99 at O'Reilly's for it. What a rip off.
Ouch, that's expensive.
But they've gone up from 4 months ago, they are now $11.34 at my Walmart.🙁
@@WhipCityWrencher Well Walmart will not get them here , your lucky then.
Thanks , I'd pass on both I think . I like the Summit filter from last week . I like shiney shit
both are far better than any thing made in china
Thanks for your feedback!
@@Monza62000 apparently you haven't been watching his channel for long.
I would not use a filter that has the bypass valve located in the leaf spring. All you've got is a metal to metal interface between the leaf spring and the open end cap of the filter element. What kind of seal is that when you've got 40psi of oil pressure? I'd be willing to bet some unfiltered oil is leaking past there. Same reason I would not use a filter that has a modular bypass valve located at the top of the filter. Metal to metal interface there too. An upper bypass valve should be made into the filter end cap. No seal and leakage issues with that.
I like the upper/dome end bypass valve also (the ones like the Motorcraft have).
But if you look at them upper bypass valves there's a spring in there also and it's a metal-to-metal contact. the only way to have a perfect seal is if there was some kind of gasket involved.
But in all reality, as much oil that would probably go through there is very little.
Something to think about though🤔 Thanks for sharing!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher True. And some filters (like Fram's XG series) have a gasket on the end cap for the interface with the leaf spring. As for the upper (baseplate end) bypass valves, it might be worth tearing into one of those to see if there actually is some sort of seal in there other than a metal to metal interface.
@@Gary7even👍 I think I will open one up and see what it looks like.
Overall, the K&N would be my choice. The wall is thicker and the valves are both silicone. Less filter media but not stained. Larger intake holes mean better flow. Fram full synthetic is also a good choice not the cheap one
Paper in caps are better no glue
Somebody on the Mobil assembly line must have spilled coffee or coke onto the filtration media.
Looks that way, LOL 😊
Although I would guess its oil.
I have a 15yr old K&N #HP-2009 if u are interested in it being sent to ya. Date code is 12/02/07.
It's the oldest filter we have at the shop.
Only if it's different than the New ones. Some filters haven't changed much in the last few years. I would want to compare it to a New one that is still made the same.
Mobil...
Both just trying to sell a name
I would not use either of them. 99% @ 30 microns is crap 💩. The mobile 1 looks like a purolator
I'll stick with fram lol