Luxembourg Model 1884 Gendarmerie Nagant
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The military of Luxembourg chose to purchase Nagant revolvers in the 1880s, and they got three different models. The most interesting of these was the Model 1884 for the Gendarmerie, which was chambered for the black powder 9.4x22mm cartridge and fitted with a long barrel so it could mount a tiny little spike bayonet. Curiously, the Army purchases were all chambered for the newer 7.5mm cartridge, the same as the Swedish Model 1887 Nagant revolvers. At any rate, the best number I can find for production of this Gendarmerie pattens is a mere 190 - which makes sense given that the Luxembourg Gendarmerie at the time only numbered about 250 men.
Mechanically, this pattern shows an interesting middle ground between the Belgian 1878, 1883, and 1886 models, with the simplified clockwork of the 1886 but some of the fancy features of the 1878 like the cylinder axis pin locking catch.
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Luxemburg: We want three different versions of the same gun just in case
Nagant Brothers: FFS you guys only have like 10 officers as it is
A revolver with a bayonet? The Imperial Japanese Army wants to know your location.
The Imperium of Man wants to know your location
Webley, too.
@@JoramTriesGaming Webley's was a hand made kind of aftermarket artisanal stuff. Not a full issue weapon accesory (even if "full issue" in this case is less than 200 guns, lol)
Arizona. Would they even be able to endure the scorching heat?
Keeping an older, larger cartridge, from my understanding, usually indicates a surplus of the ammo from that period.
See: 30-.06, .45acp, etc
And the massive factories tooled up just to produce that cartridge.
Just imagine if these cartridges were still relevant. Nagant revolvers my opinion were the Glock of the period.
Interestingly, Belgium declared the 1895 pattern antique, allowing people to purchase these with ease. The 'rare' ammunition turned out to be readily available in Luxemburg. A string of crimes involving these weapons followed, leading to Belgium banning these guns in 2013.
Luxemburg: I want to make an order of your revolvers.
Henri-Leon Nagant: Yes, what kind of pistol do you want?
L: I want to make an order of 500 pieces.
N: Not much but we always welcome the-
L: We want simple, cheap pattern with caliber of 7.5 mm...
N: ...uh-huh, umm sure, of course. We glad that-
L: ...and then we want guns with cylinder lock.
N: Simple, 7.5 mm gun with cylinder lock. Got it. I think 1887 pattern will suit you just-
L: No, that's two different orders.
N: What?
L: That's two different orders. And we want you to make yet another pattern of revolvers.
N: I don't understand why you nee-
L: We need 190 revolvers with longer barrels, caliber 9.4 mm, detachable cylinder, disconnector...
N: ...what else...?
L: ... a BAYONET!
*Nagant dying noises*
P.S. Ignore that 1887 pattern would not realised until few years later
What happens when you get a bunch of brilliant individuals who are not gun guys doing your ordanace orders.
*Imperial Japan* :"A bayonet you say?"
A series on the mini-nations of europe would be amazing! ( Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monacco, San Marino, Vatican, and Malta)
Can't wait for the video on the Holy Hand Grenade from Vatican.
I agree, there is certainly a lot of intersting stuff
@@HikoSeijuroXIII A holy mess out of it?
@@HikoSeijuroXIII The number of the counting shall be three!
svtirefire Not two, not four, but three
In case anyone is interested: The luxemburgish military has doubled in numbers since then :P We're now at over 800 active soldiers.
Such a numbers explosion!! I see Jingoism has taken the country, lol ;) ;)
That's about 6 soldiers per bank.
wdym, I thought there we're only 2 people living in luxembourg: the king and the queen who is infertile.
Why have a military? It would have zero chance of repelling an invasion, even from the Netherlands.
@@gregb6469 Just to be able to make fun of Poland invading Czech Republic with 6 soldiers :P
OK, so there is two things I've learned from this video.
1. Revolvers with bayonets actually exists.
2. Luxembourg army actually exists.
🤣
🫡 from lil'Luxembourg
Funny story: Late one night, a couple years before I retired, I was running a squad of patrol officers and got a call from a good friend, a cop in another town. His buddy had given him a bayonet for his Glock (they make 'em but I still think they're mostly a gag gift for the gun guy who has everything). He called me all excited and wanted my help finding a holster ... so ... he ... could ... wear it ... on duty! I was like, "No, dude. No. Put it in your desk like everyone else and just ... no."
That said, It's always cool to see an old-world military revolver that takes a bayonet. Makes me think that maybe, just maybe, they intended the piece to be of actual use and not just a badge of rank.
bayonet on your pistol because even the officers are needed when luxembourg charges
The Forgotten Weapons playlist has to be one of the most complete, interesting and important playlists to be on UA-cam. I have learnt so much about weapons from Ian and every video has been a pleasure to watch. I'm so grateful that Forgotten Weapons exists and for all of Ians hard work that goes into making these videos. I think I remember accessing the Forgotten Weapons website for a school project some 15 or so years ago. It's great that it's still around and I hope it stays here for good.
I´m from Luxembourg and I never expected that my country would appear on this show
Thats really cool :), maybe you could alos do a video on the FN Model 1949 that was used by our army
Anyways keep the good work up
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@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you
Greetings, fellow countryman! What pleasure it is to meet a kindred soul in the confines of the web
@@TheTechnoid333 d'ass net reddit gars, schreiw normalt Englesch
*t`ass
Du dommt Kallef
What a beautiful revolver thanks legacy for letting us see that gem
As soon as Ian heard “Gendarmerie”, he hopped a plane across the country. It wasn’t until he arrived that he found out it’s from Luxembourg
@Graf von Losinj Up to 1866 Luxemburg was part of the German Federation , and for centuries part of HRE, in 14th century members of the original Luxemburg noble family had also been kings of Bohemia and emperors of HRE. The switch to French as official language , was to show , that they no more are a part of Germany. There are still people speaking german, but ,letzeburgisch' dialect is nearly not understandable to me.
@@brittakriep2938 As a fellow German who's lived in Lux for a year, it's actually not that bad to understand luëtzeburgisch once you get used to it. Funnily enough, I was told to always try to speak German to Police officers and bus drivers, as they traditionally are from the more German-speaking parts of the country. The more you know..
Britta Kriep Britta Kriep Luxemburg was part of the Deutscher Zollverein (German Customs Union), not of Germany / or Prussia itself. In fact between 1815 and the 1840‘s Luxemburg was part of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
@@Vindettaable : Between 1815 and 1866 there was no Germany, but a German Federation/ Deutscher Bund. And Großherzogtum/ Great Duchy Luxemburg was part of the German Federation. Yes, from 1815- 1832 the Dutch King was King of the Netherlands ( in those days Netherlands and Belgium) and Greatduke of Luxemburg . But only as Greatduke of Luxemburg he was Bundesfürst/ Federation prince of the German Federation. From 1815- 1839 also the British King was Bundesfürst, because he was also King of Hannover. Also from 1815- 1864 the Danish King was a Bundesfürst, because he was Duke of Holstein. And the luxemburgish military coningent was part of the Bundesheer of the German Federation. In wartime the luxemburgian soldiers had to defemd the Fortress Luxemburg, the capital, together with a prussian Garrison of 2000 men. The Fortress Luxemburg was in German Federation time seen as a Bundesfestung zweiter Klasse/ Federation fortress second class. After the innergerman war of 1866 the German Federation no more existed and Luxemburg, Liechtenstein and Austria saw themselfes no more as a part of ,Germany'.
Greetings from Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Thanks for this nice Video as always a pleasure to watch keep up your great work 👍
For all those wondering yes we have an Army an actually they use Steyr Augs and in the 50ies up to the 80 almost just American guns
Wat? Hat mir net och FN Fal Gewierer?
@@mandernachluca3774 dach dierer hatte mer och lang zäit gin hautdes dags nach heiernsdo ausgepack fir den drill
@@mandernachluca3774 Dei benotze mer seit 20 Joer net mei
Actually mostly Belgian guns were used by Luxembourg before the Steyr AUG: FN Model 49, FN FAL, FN MAG, FN Uzi (license-built), FN HP35... The M60 was used before the MAG though.
@@TodayLifeIsGoood
Stemmt, dat war awer och net d'Fro. ;D
As a Luxembourg-American I am extremely proud and happy to see the videos you've shared on Luxembourgish arms.
Wow!I literally just bought myself exactly the same model of Nagant revolver! Really, it has absolutely identical features to the one in the video! And it was sold as a regular 1878 pattern Belgian Nagant but it clearly has a longer barrel,a non-fluted cylinder and a front sight modified to accept the bayonet! So seems like I am really lucky to have this one!And besides to give everyone the perspective of how I load my,as it turns out, very rare and cool Mle-1884 Nagant and what I get in terms of ballistics here is how: trimmed .30-30 cases,94 grain FMJ RN bullets from Makarov pistol and 7.0 grains of pistol powder (smokeless)!And what I am getting from it is about 1400 fps with a 94 grain FMJ bullet!So I already had put it through not just some test fire but even applied this gun for some practical use by hunting down several whitetail deer with it! Never thought I will end up ever hunting damn deer with the gun of the model that was built in a number of only 190 pieces! Now I kinda feel like I am somewhat special 😂👍😎
Thanks, Ian. I visited Luxembourg. It was one of the cleanest places I have ever seen. It was a pleasure. An interesting idiosyncrasy was that on the medians or along the streets they had tiny little parks with statues of cows. The cows were painted in random colorful patterns. Very entertaining. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Those cows (or other animals) are seen all over Europe. For instance, you have bears in Berlin and Bern. Have a look at cowparade.smugmug.com/
Actually, it is not only in Europe, it is all over the world.
I visitesd Luxembourg too. Parked in a back alley and apparently that was right in front of the ministry of finance lmao
Been replaying Borderlands recently. Bayonet on a revolver makes complete sense. Gotta bump up that melee stat.
I assume the bayonet was intended to stop disarming attempts
That, and a good deterrent during reloads.Is my guess.
... or it's for poking people who loiter. : -)
Might as well go gunblade at that point. Because what's harder to disarm and a better symbol of an officer to boot? A sword.
@@hailexiao2770 Time to get the gunlance
I have a sudden burning urge to put tiny bayonets on all of my arms now.
...
Brb going to go grab my longBow and toolkit.
You want to put a bayonet on your longbow?
dude that would be a badass bow if it was 1236
tie two swords to the grip, pointing in opposite directions, and you'll have a bat'leth
a _bow'leth,_ if you will
@@moosemaimer I'm sure Jörg Sprave already has one in development at The Slingshot Channel. Can't wait to see its features.
Agreed...the Nagant would be my first choice given the need for a pistol/bayonet charge....
That widdle baby bayonet is absowutely adowable.
Grand Duchy if you please.
Not that it actually matters, let's be honest with ourselves :p
Once, up to 1866, Luxemburg was part of Germany, so : Ordnung muß sein ;-)!
@@rfldss89 "Not that..."
It's "What", _if you please._
Britta Kriep Luxemburg was part of the Deutscher Zollverein (German Customs Union), not of Germany / or Prussia itself. In fact between 1815 and the 1840‘s Luxemburg was part of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Forgotten Weapons: Luxembourg is a tiny duchy.
Luxembourg: Who you calling Dutch?
Haha Luxembourg are pretty proud to be like dutch
I like the disassembly feature with the letters.
As a Luxemburger, I find it intertesting how msny of those are still in Luxemburgish Handy (myself included)
The second I think there must be a new forgotten weapons video coming out soon one is uploaded
Finally something from my country
"It's a little vague" yeah that does sound about right for the Dutch...
I think it's one of the most aesthetically pleasing revolvers ever made. Simply cool.
I am always thrilled to learn more from you Ian
To take apart a French Saint-Etienne 1892, you just have to follow the digits after unscrew the main screw, that allows to pivot the side plate.
Yes again after a day but that's good because i learn more from here than from school thanks Ian
Me to!😕
School is supposed to make children into citizens.
@@nokki25 Naw, dude. That's what parents are for. I bloody well hope. Or am I wrong again?
It's actually very interesting: the common gun lore on Russian Nagants is "the conservative Russian military doesn't trust its enlisted men (variation: doesn't give a damn about their lives), and so makes single-action revolvers for the soldiery, keeping double action guns for officers only". And now I learn that in fact, these two patterns of Nagant revolvers go back to like 1870s, were an original Nagant brothers simplification, and were _both_ adopted by Belgian military. So much for the "crude Russians" stereotype.
(In fact although Russian military lagged behind in some very important areas at that time (see the 1905 defeat), it was remarkably quick on its feet in the technological sense in many other areas. Russian empire was AFAIK the first to field entire machine gun companies, and bought up machine guns like crazy when others hemmed and hawed on them. Also regarding handguns, it had adopted the fine S&W Model 3 when it was top of the line - also saving Smith and Wesson in the process.)
The Swedish Husqvarna 1887 Officer's Model revolver also disassembles using a stamped letter sequence.
The Swedish word for using letters in a sequence is "littera". You could refer to the spring as part "littera B". Like using letters instead of numbers. I never heard this word in any other language other than Swedish and Danish. Locomotives and rolling stock used to all have "littera" in Sweden.
@@CandidZulu fun fact: a letter (as in a sign you write) in polish is "litera" :)
@@polomat14 It's Latin! :) (spelled Littera)
I just love old revolvers, there cool, and simple(Not all revolvers, but most of them)
Oddly it might be faster to load the revolver by removing the cylinder than by using the gate
Always was a big geek for both Single Action revolvers and Nagant pattern revolvers .Sadly , they rarely intermingle .
Weu sin meng letzeboier 🙌🏻
Haal den baak letzeboier sinn clownen
I remember the C&Arsenal video commenting on the "A" mark being on all the guns from each maker but him wondering if it was an abbreviation or something. I must say including indicators like that on the order to take a gun down in is brilliant, it should be standard on all machines and not just guns.
Thank you , Ian .
Damn you Ian, now I need to search one out and buy it...
The lettering system needs to come back into use. Some modern firearms can be a bit complicated to disassemble. It definitely works on the KISS theory.
field stripping for dummies
Luxembourg, otherwise known as that speedbump between france and germany
Don't you mean Belgium? ;)
I have the Nagant Gletcher air pistol made in New York State. It is almost true to the real version and is a wonderful gun to shoot and handle.
Fairly simple for a double action... Thanks Ian.
i just finished watching his video on the history of the Colt 1911. i dont think ive ever spent time more wisely
The real surprise is that there were even 500 men in Luxembourg.
Luxembourg is a tiny little duchy, small enough to pass on the left-hand side.
Musical Youth reference on a gun vid, I owe you a beer
Now I'm imagining a bunch of Luxembourg gendamarie running around with bayonets attached to their revolvers. 🤣🤣🤣
So cool to see my country represented on this channel :)
Nagant revolvers like the Mosin-Nagant rifles have so much history.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 you missed the point about history.
Did you say bayonet?
7:04 that looks more like a toothpick
What is this?! A bayonet for ants??
I think it is,, sorry Ian
Beautiful, elagant, old revolver. Another gem thanks Ian. 😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸☠️
Love the Nagants.
I like those disassembly marks.
Order: revolver with bayonet.
Received: revolver with hatpin.
And, did it come with a scabbard?
The bayont had a little mimi scabbard sewn into the holster.
Seeing a Luxemburgian flag as a Luxemburgian on your videos is so surreal
1895 revolver. Better known? Undoubtedly. Better liked? Not sure I've ever heard that.
Cops: Luxembourg!
Bad boys, bad boys, watcha' gonna do? Watcha' gonna do when they come for you?
Officer le Gendarmerie: Sir, I observe that you are consuming red wine with the fish course. This is in violation of the rules of good taste! And your choice of cheese is suspect! This is not some backwater in the manner of Buenos Aires!
Criminal: Sir, name your seconds! We meet on the field of honor!
i had an odd premonition that a new video dropped...
Some CZ pistols with accessory rails can be equipped with a blade bayonet. Some old ideas didn't entirely die, it seems.
Boy I wish more guns had those idiot proof disassembly instructions. Saves a lot of head scratching.
You should break down the guns in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Particularly the part with Tuco in the gun shop/general store. Of course, only of the revolvers are real and interesting.
Yeah, where my louxembourgian boys and girls :D
here I am.
Does Trier count as 1/4 luxembourgian?
@@kaffohrt9858 We shall let it pass, though Trier had already been ceded to Prussia (aka Germany) in 1815.
Moien !
Here we are, rocking like a hurricane^^
I was about to go to sleep but gun Jesus uploaded 🙏
Another nice old revolver.
Yay, GunJesus talks about my country again! :)
Bayonets on pistols, especially multi-shot models, are the silliest accessory imaginable. (And for a gendarme?) If six shots haven't solved your problem, grab the piece by the barrel and revert to clubbing. 4" of cutlery sticking out are going to make that tricky.
You must be pretty special if you think the only use for a bayonet in any situation is to stab and lethaly wound someone. ever considered how much easier it is to lead people around whyn you can poke them with something pointy attached to your gun when they aren't going the way you want them to? also not every police force treats their job as a free for all deathmatch an blows a hole into every crimial they see.
The bayonnet makes the holes , that the bullets can enter the body, thats my opinion.
Groetjes van Nederland!
I am a simple man
I see Luxemburg military revolver and i click
I care little if its a negant, colt ect
I just like learning about the tiny military of Luxemburg and its equipment
There is a pretty good place for learning more about Luxembourg's Army
the Military Amino comunity.
As a matter of fact I am the representative of Luxembourg on there.
...which makes this some rather shameless selfadvertisement, I suppose. But still, if interested hop on over if you like
Fun fact if you shoot someone with you get to go invisible for a little bit
But Seriously how many team fortress 2 like weapons has he reviewed so far
I hate to deface a FW video with vidyagame nonsense but...I really enjoyed using the Nagant revolver in BF1, it was so challenging to time your reloads correctly that it just made it really fun; the seven rounds capacity made it a really good sidearm for a scout rifle, loved using this thing with the Henry and getting in tight spots demanding I hit shots and manage reloads wisely
H feels forgotten. For removal of the handle woodwork?
Gun Jesus tells us another story of the Saints Nagant.
Oh yes, the gun that give's you more invisibility. l'Etranger.
Grab a Bofferding and pull up to the computer to watch.
Ian have you heard of the Herma Gurt 44 light machine gun😮
Interesting revolver !!!!!!!!!!
This may be the most American, never, but I would love to see a nagant pattern revolver in something like 45 Colt or 440-40
His goatee looks longer in his shooting videos than in his regular videos.
Alphabet marked disassembly..eh. Bayonet for this pistol....super cool.
For comperesion, Luxembourg is only 40% the size of Delaware!
Or about the size of rhode island :)
I love black-powder revolvers. But ive got a softspot for revolvers in general. To anyone who might know ive got an old .32 Smith and Wesson pistol, its missing a single screw. Would there be somewhere i could get a workable copy of the screw or do i need to have one custom made?
Hopefully it's a standardized size, even if it's a very uncommon thread pitch. Might try guestimating the minor diameter by placing pins in the screw hole, should be able to get you in the ballpark with that.
Does anyone in this section from Luxembourg know of Mr. Mat Marx. He is/was the authority on this revolver. I have not had contact with him in a couple years. He published several articles in both German and French collectors magazines, which Ihave copies of. I happen to own number 106 of this revolver. With the original bayonet numbered to the gun. Mats research located, last I knew, 27 of the 190 manufactured. Most of them in the US. Maybe 3 with the original bayonet. If anybody knew Mat I'd like to hear from you.
dougstaaf@gmail.com
Safeties on a revolver are crazy
My taking a chemistry class your compression is superb how do you study?
I bet that policy of mixing blanks and live ammo never went wrong...
It be cool if you did a review of the Sig SP2022 I believe it was used by the French so I thought you would get a kick out of it and they are not very popular on the civilian market
I prefer the Dutch variant with the funky cylinder safety.
cool
pingas
Bayonet on a pistol? I guess someone in the Luxembourg military spent some time in Japan, they do love their sharp and pointy objects!
The SP-01 has/had a bayonet you could attach. I got one because pistol bayonet, but tbh it kinda sucks, as you might imagine.
Great thanks!
Hope to see Sweden Nagant m1887 and Serbian Nagant!
How about a video on my favorite milsurp: the model 1903 Turkish Mauser? I don't think you've done that one.
An Extremely small military ordering a large frame gun in a large caliber, long barrel with a bayonet lug? It sounds like someone is overcompensating!
I think I have one haha, had no idea looks bigger than that one tho
yep different markings and different front sight but same thing 1500s sn tho not Luxenberg or something I guess
barrel looks shorter too
Could you possibly get your hands on a Stribog and go over it?
I wonder if this is a pioneers or something like that. A work around to instead of making a carbine. Give them a pistol with a larger caliber and a bayonet. Kind of a reverse M1 carbine.
So I know that the Nagant family of Revolvers use an odd type of cartridge. We any of these revolvers made or converter to use a more "standard" or common cartridge type? Something where the bullet isn't contained within the cartridge itself?
Most Nagant revolvers used conventional cartridges. Only the gas seal version used the long cartridge case that surrounds the bullet.