Live Service Games Are Out of Control (MW3)
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It seems like every new game is a live service game. They all have battle passes, events, updates, concerts, mainstream media tie-ins, and of course they persistent online identity. Maybe I'm turning into a boomer but I'm definitely getting tired of live service games. It feels like I own nothing.
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So grateful I grew up in the golden era of gaming
I'd watch Drift's COD ghosts vids and do clan wars: had free multiplayer... (PS3) what a time to play games in that era.
You not lying
Same here brother
Same. Even if I really didn't become a gamer until the PS2 Era, I did get to play the Golden Era games thanks to a friend and family. (Not immediate family as my parents didn't care.)
@@jbzhummerh2gamer ps2 era was the perfect era honestly but ps3 was definitely next in that list. N64 was the start for me though
I am glad I am not alone in this feeling. I just want to hop in and click play. I don't need 37 popups that I am not reading.
Not only that, but I also don't need hundreds of attachments that no one is using! I've played MW3 since launch and I am still unlocking ammo types for guns I haven't used in months, and likely won't use again now that I'm done for the camo grind. Which would be fine, but I also know that virtually no one else is using the ammo type attachments either (outside of maybe like 2 of them)
@@cipherpac That's crazy dude. I wish more people would give Counter Strike a try to see what a good shooter is. I know Val is good but people should try what inspired it
"You will own nothing and you'll be happy"
Eat ze bugz
In all honesty I think the Live Service fatigue we're all feeling now is a symptom of a bigger issue; the content we're grinding for is meaningless and unrewarding. Think of all those skins you bought or unlocked for Warzone 1.0. NONE of that content is even accessible anymore. You literally cannot play with content you paid for ON TOP OF grinding countless hours to unlock. Developers need to make the grind optional and games need to launch in a feature complete/content rich state. Every live service game launch is an experiment to see if it's lucrative enough to warrant finishing. So we're always bouncing between purposefully unfinished games yearning for something that feels meaningful. And this is what makes COD the worst offender. They'll NEVER finish a COD title. They crank these games out annually so they never have to finish them and it shows.
@terrygamer-dg6vi I'm glad you mentioned elden ring cause damn that game is a shining beacon of hope in this modern gaming mediocrity. A truly good single player experience that makes you feel rewarded for trying and getting better
@@terrygamer-dg6viThe annual cycle means COD can't be competitively viable. The game is designed for the average player, not high-level play like CS2 or Siege. You can certainly PLAY at a high level, but then you get penalized for not using meta loadouts or you just get beat by crutch mechanics. It takes years to make a PVP game truly refined and competitive. Call of Duty will never get that time to let one entry really become a refined product focused on high skill ceiling gameplay. I think the "grind" in these games would feel more rewarding if it was free and the tasks built player skill instead of just draining your time.
I think this topic is worth discussing in a broader perspective.
Subscription services are taking over like crazy. And none of us will own anything.
"You will own nothing and be happy!"- WEF
@@thewonarmedbandit5615 Yup. Everything is going according to plan too.
Man, I miss the days when you could unlock everything a game has to offer by just *_playing the game you bought and paid for_* without having to shell out 70 bucks every couple of months.
You're absolutely right. It's just too much to ask that we get we have ALREADY paid for and then some. So strange.
Wish that leveling didn’t take half my lifespan
The irony of this situation is crazy, because in BO2 I had a network/server issue which reset my game and I lost everything. The teenage me tried anything/everything to remedy the problem but no luck. I was so demotivated/sad boy that I stopped playing the game for 3-4 months.
If they cannot restore accounts this will undoubtedly hurt the player base, especially with the other competitors not having issues.
eye opening commentary bro. seems like something that’s obvious, but i’ve never looked at it like that. we don’t own any of this stuff we spend all this time on.. odd
😂 took u long enough
Lol I didn't even finish the video because it's all things I've heard 100 times lol, also silly to have a face cam if your in bed. Just ditch the cam
You will own nothing and be happy
@@MoveOverLady i haven't owned the games I bought in YEARS and I don't mind at all, I'm paying for the experience, then you have stuff like gamepass where you definitely don't own it. Sure I'll miss physical but the convenience of having everything downloaded is so nice, I had flash drives full of games for 360 lol never bought disks
i’m 21 and i’m on the same level of being desensitized as my favorite “boomer” of the last 10 years 🤭
Multi-billion dollar corporation moment
Don't know how battle passes are even legal tbh if you still have to EARN all the rewards for it. It just seems completely predatory since you have to basically play a game like a full time job just to get all the rewards that YOU PAID FOR
The U.S. govt is full of old dinosaurs who don't understand how the gaming industry works and how insanely predatory they can be 😐😐😐😐
I'm glad to have experienced great games like Halo 3 & CoD4 in their prime. I hate that we just can't have a fun MP game in Triple A anymore that isn't live service. Atleast we have Helldivers 2
There's so many good games from the past 20 years alone that don't have this BS. Can't believe so many players are willing to subject themselves to this insane monetization with that kind of catalogue available to them :/
Like the latest, hell divers 2....finally a solid shooter game with live service elements how it SHOULD be ( + with not overpriced bs micro transactions)
Once you go to a multiplayer, coop, or especially single player game without the pressure of live service grinds, you realize how relieving it is to accept you're not going to be able to own everything in a game. Having a save file feels more satisfying than realizing one day the servers to your favorite live service game will eventually pull its plug, since the model of live service entirely depends on players playing their game. Even that rare skin that requires you to do an ultra tough challenge even be shown off if you want to show off the next 2 new operators. Overall its not worth it.
You just said everything I've been feeling for like 3 years. I have essentially dropped pvp games for single player storyline games
Welcome to paradise, brother.
I played solo Warzone for the entire morning of the account reset and can 1000% guarantee you that skill based matchmaking was turned off entirely. I am an above average player and rather than 60 to 75% of my lobby being at my level or better about 75 to 80% of the lobbies Had incredibly diverse and new players in them. We’re talking people who could barely walk and shoot at the same time in the same lobby with a couple demons, it felt like blackout. Which is a good thing. Not only that, but I was watching a couple streamers who are easily top 1000 Warzone players in the world experiencing the same thing, as if skill base matchmaking was completely gone And it was. And you know what? The game was actually fun because the lobby were more organic. The loot felt better because you didn’t just wait around for three minutes and get a load out and have the Meta weapons. You had to actually try and loot and strategically move around based on what you had not based on, what you were given for free immediately. It felt like a real battle Royale and the pacing in the play was superior to the current version. Frankly, if skill base matchmaking was completely turned off all the time the mode would function far better would attract far more players than it currently does.
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I dont like live service games anymore , because their only focus is making you feel FOMO (fear of missing out) , i think at the end of the day gaming should only be a way to have fun rather than something exhausting that takes my time and focus
FOMO stands for 'Fear Of Missing Out'
@@ballaking1000 it was a typo
@@jk_james7833 Feeling of missing out is pretty funny tho tbh
Some live service games are great but being that it seems ALL games want to be one that is very scary.
Definitely feel that with latest hell divers 2... but it isnt price gauging its consumers with bs micro transactions/pay walls, gameplay is fun and at least makes an intentional purpose to fight a war as a community.
I don't go to any marketplace and buy one of everything - same goes for game shops. some of these companies have done a great job making you feel like you're missing out. live service games are good for some experiences, but it's not for every IP, and where it does enhance the experience, it'd be nice to have stronger consumer protections or benefits that outlast/exist outside the live service itself
*You'll own nothing and be happy.*
- Klaus Schwab
Yup!!!!
11:01 lol the guy dolphin diving off the cliff in the background
That bed setup is diabolical😂
When my friends and I were playing Warzone in 2020, we realized that other squads had better loadouts because they grinded the multiplayer. At that point, we kind of stopped playing Warzone
Literally same. I have been on my pc in just over a month. CoD probably since the new year. Come early January I started solely practicing for an esports event on another game. From following the event I went on vacation for a week. Coming back home my landlord redid my entire flooring so I had to unplug my pc for a whole week. When that was all finished I had some friends in town so I was never home and this past week I’ve just been catching up on chores. I’m finally back on today and it’s very overwhelming. I get all these “new” icons, the yellow dots that my OCD has to clear out. New playlists, guns, challenges. Like it takes me a day or 2 to get back into it and in a week I gotta disappear again for probably another month
The bedcam is hilarious 😂
Bro is miles in the future, gaming in bed.
@@Qacizm I did that back in 2017
Was hospitalised for the whooping cough
Why is he lying down?
@@Monkeyman-qt1sm1:40
I typically avoid online-only games.
Love the bet setup dude. Hope whatever’s cramping your style gets sorted out eventually. I agree so hard with this vid and just didn’t have the words for it previously. Love ya ❤
2:35 is so true; I feel behind even taking a small break. It’s like a part-time job at this point.
Couldn't have said it better myself Brad, and I couldn't agree more. The bombardment of ads and pop ups on any platform gives me horrible anxiety and at this point it feels intentional. I never buy a battle pass or any extra stuff, yet year after year they continue to push my buttons, probably in hopes after one day I will have recieved enough subconscious programming that say "buy" or "sale" etc that I'll give in to the subliminal. I don't think it's gonna happen though. Great video.
I just went to my bookshelves and found I still have my copies of the first 5 COD's, still in their boxes, for my PC, then I have my copies of console COD games as I was put off PC due to hax. I stopped playing COD about 6 years ago, then came back 2 years later to say goodbye forever 2 years ago. I got very disappointed in a franchise that treated their community like a cash cow by not bringing out a new game every year by just "remastering" the same game year after year. How many times do I want to play Nuketown FFS. Don't even start me off about how well PS players get looked after but everyone else gets screwed over. OK if it wasn't cross platform. Then again we were stupid enough to keep going back to enable them to keep going. This years game made me thankful I left when I heard it was a "remaster" of an old game. I would buy a remaster if it was not a new game price. Not while my bum points down will I pay $90 for a remaster. Bring it down to 30 or 40 then maybe but at 90, now way. I am playing BF2042 but I wont be pre-ordering the next one until I see some game play and see if in a months time it drops to half the price. Was introduced to BF3 and found it hard to play both BF and COD and stay relevant due to the necessary grinding. I liked the aircraft and tank warfare in BF as it was in COD WaW and was great but once they dropped it in the next and I found BF, once I had to choose between the 2 it was a no brainer. I am more interested in playing games like Conan exiles, Valheim, The Division and the like as if I don't play for a while I can pick it up and not be disadvantaged by not continually playing. Sad thing was in one COD I was in the top 50 due to how much I played the game. Now a days not that dedicated to put so much time into a rehashed game. The other question is why do digital downloads on console cost more than physical copies? How does that make or allow us to buy more games?
Drift, great topic to talk about. The industry needs people like you talking about the real issues. Thank you
Mw original, world at war, mw2 original, black ops 1 n 2 and arguably 3 were the goats
couldent agree more. esp with the way you unlock stuff in this particular cod. Its super casual unfriendly. I dont want to have to do hours worth of challanges and stuff to unlock a single item. its exhausting
Hunt: Showdown has gotten bad with this. Pumping out updates so quickly that they aren't even taking the time to balance all the things they add to the game before the next pass.
would rather the dead spot then see you tucked in
Honestly, the rapid updates is partly what makes it hard to get into MWIII. After the free weekend I felt that it is an improvement. But also, there are so many things that need to be unlocked on top of the launch stuff that it feels too overwhelming to want to try. And I don't feel like devoting that energy to something I'm likely to get bored of soon
I luckily didn’t lose any progress or unlocks or things like that but the connection system at the end of my games kept failing and was taking forever for the game to fully end and bring me back to the lobby
It's a reflection cf the economy. Real life is also a live service game that we're forced to play like NPCs just so the whales have fun.
Great video. Ive been feeling the same ay about gaming. Get better fam
splitscreen free for all on n64 goldeneye was the golden age for me
I wonder if that massive server outage that you're referring to with MW3 was due to the recent acquisition of Ubisoft buying the Cloud streaming rights to COD in it's entirety? 🤔
The last 5 years have seen an increased devotion by ALL industries in understanding the human psyche, and quite literally getting consumers addicted to their products. Corporations used to make great products, and would win consumers due to the quality. Now, corporations make sleazy products, and win our time through literal addiction. YT Shorts, TikTok, Reels, Battle Passes, Loot Boxes, everything is made to give you a quick hit of dopamine that will keep you coming back. Games used to have this, but by no means as severe.
I stopped playing these live services because it was starting to impact my personal life. I cancelled plans with friends just to grind the events in this game. It was affecting my academics as well. The FOMO really got to me and I realized it was a problem so I stopped playing.
The issues with live service economies is that the product isn't about the experience, it's about the consumption. The devs aren't supposed to create an entertaining game, they need to make a game that make you addicted to the grind. Maximize the amount of hours you put into the game, and stretch out the dopamine hits further with every unlock you achieve. Up onto the point where you're a dopamine junkie and need to purchase unlocks or boosts or whatever to get to the achievements quicker, only for the cycle to continue because the next achievement is just so much better than the previous one.
I'm a full time college student now and don't have time to play as much cod as I used to, I definitely agree with this. It's hard to keep up with so much going on so fast in game.
5:28 what was with that cruise missle going straight into a rock? 😂
Killstreak has been broke since last week. You can't control it. So stupid and I keep forgetting to take it off.
@@yabbadabba9458 ah didn't know that but i just used the cruise missile yesterday? Is it only broke on pc?
SO MUCH WORK !!!!!
This is such a burden at this point...
It eats away at you sunconciously.
But it's also a habit that's hard to quit.
Drift0r, the size of your UA-cam channel speaks by itself.
Very good content here, and above all a good lesson.
We need more UA-camr like you.
I appreciate that!
Solid video, this should be the main conversation about video games rn
I stopped playing these online-only games when I realized that I would have nothing left but memories when they shut down the servers. I loved World of Warcraft, Planetside, World of Warships, CoD Warzone, but once those are dead I can never play them again. I miss multiplayer but at least with most singleplayer games I can reinstall them again (recently started playing New Vegas again actually)
I’ve been feeling similarly as my health takes another turn for the worse. Really makes you think about how manipulative live services are when you can’t keep up. Hope your setback is short!
Hahaha I love the dual driftor view lfg inspiring you're still making content
I love how when Drift0r started talking about content fatigue, my mind went straight to Magic the Gathering
I tend to think that dlcs were a better model because content was just better. Yes you had to pay $15 dollars every few months, but it was optional and had content that had to be good in order to sell. Just remember the dlcs from bo1,mw3 and bo2
This is a great lesson for why it’s important to own physical media for for movies, TV shows, music, etc
I agree with everything you are saying bro but that side profile view had me cracking up.
Back in my day skins where 2-5.99 and you could get dlc for the whole year for like 30bucks.
The new camera angle is iconic
Why is he lying down?
@@Monkeyman-qt1sm 1:40
@@InsomniacUN lol ig the better question is why does he still have a face cam lol
Yupp I've completely unplugged from live service games, been playing basically only single player stuff from the past couple years e.g Spiderman 2, Witcher 3, both Horizon games, Lego Star Wars, Elden Ring, just started FF7, once I finish witcher 3 DLC will likely start cyberpunk and had so much more fun and less FOMO!
FIFA ultimate team is the best example of this. Some people spend $1000’s of dollars, build this amazing team, then 2-3 years later they shut the servers down and you can’t even use that team to play offline against computers.
@Drift0r maybe try moving the camera so it’s pointing down at you a little more. I feel it would frame you a little better in my opinion. Much love ❤️ hope you recover quickly.
P.s. when PKA next?
Fear of Missing Out is crippling. I've had to wean off of live service games to a handful I know will eventually rerun content
Love u Driftor ❤❤❤
It’s funny, last night right before getting off warzone, I felt this overwhelming feeling that I am wasting my time. I am a sweat almost 3kd and crimson rating. I really should get back to making content rather than consuming, I was happier then. Games are addictive for sure.
This idea expands to every day life. We have so many things and services vying for our attention that nearly everything feels exhausting.
Though not all things or games have to be this way, companies continue to see that they get away with it by having recording breaking profits quarter after quarter.
It seems like most of us have a general dislike of the way it works, but we keep coming back for more. It’s like an abusive relationship
I always thought Battle Passes were dumb. Like, why do i have to grind to unlock things i already paid for? Its so stupid.
Hope you get better soon
1:55 gotcha I was curious
What really pisses me off is buying a battle pass and not getting the chance to unlock all of it and you’re out the money without the items.
I agree with you on the fatigue part , you just can’t care about every piece of new content release, even if you are very active on the game. It just becomes meaningless. There needs to be balance.
Hey man, just letting you know I’ve been a fan since you told your ghost stories. Anyway hope your health is well bro, people care about you!
Thank you:)
Hope you feel better
IMO There needs to be a major attitude shift in the gaming industry. Because there are great games that aren't live service like Elden Ring, Balder's Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy and Palworld. But unfortunately a lot of people in the gaming industry have it drilled into their heads that the only way they can make money is by releasing a live service game with a ton of microtransactions.
The only things I don’t like about live service games are: 1.)not being free to play, 2.)balance changes that feel like they happen to change things up instead of being needed, & lastly 3.)slowing down the amount &/or the rate of new content.
I quit COD a couple months back and i feel amazing, no more 8-10hr grind’s for 1-2 attachment’s that i need for my gun’s sow i can at least survive a few minutes in war-zone
Single Player gamer to Multiplayer gamer:
“Wow, sucks to be you.”
Having played CoD since BO1, I have moved to PvE more and more in recent years for this reason. I still get on Cold War in spurts bc MP hits different, but being able to walk away and become a god-ninja on Ghost of Tsushima has its own rewards. Also, a lot of those games have an MP component: Ghost does, TLOU factions, Borderlands is Co-Op driven etc
Thumbnail was enough to get me to like the video before I even watched it
I liked this comment before reading it
Damn you Drift0r, you stopped my favourite Irish drift king from making himself in Infinite Craft 😢
Totally agree that keeping up with live service games is exhausting. Cod in particular just felt like it was designed to just waste as much of your time as possible. A big reason of why I stopped playing. And that's just one game, and there are so many out right now. I mostly stick to games that actually respect my time and don't punish me for not playing as much and/or taking a break.
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Hey driftor, have you had any more crazy dreams lately? I loved that series and would love to see more in the future sometime, i hope you start to feel better man, you are the goat
I have a final one for Halloween
@@Drift0r been watching you since I was a kid. I worry about your health and hope you prevail. Love ya dude.
Definitely feel the grind fatigue, can't devote the hours so always feel like I'm playing catch up
Get well soon and keep up the good work
Personally, I don’t feel obligated to do anything I don’t want to, in an effort to get my “monies worth” or “keep up”when playing a game. Simply interacting with the game, in the way that I want to, is justification enough. I see comments saying, (I’m paraphrasing) “glad I played during the golden age” and “games were better back then” that’s cap…this is the golden age of gaming, being in my late 30s, I remember when you couldn’t save progress, you had to go to a friends house to play games together (which wasn’t always do-able), and you could only play a game one way, which in my opinion is the real waste of money. I don’t have to buy bundles nor any battle pass. Shifting my perspective about games increased the level of fun i got playing them.
Halo Infinite does battle passes right. You can access old BPs at any time and complete them. This is how the industry should be
I'm a camo grinder, and if my unlocks got permanently reset, I would quite possibly never play CoD again
Love this kind of discussion Driftor keep it up! I gotta agree with you though and I don't think its a boomer thing at all to feel like gaming is becoming a bit of a chore. I think people are starting to wake up to this feeling of every game becoming a live service and its only a matter of time before games start failing because of it. In some cases, its already happened like Suicide Squad and Destiny.
That burnout is how I feel with D&D now, especially 5E
Got reset, but then we got everything back. It’s happened before. Not a big deal, unless it was your day off from work.
Is the AI implementation of every live service in the industry. When they want every game to look like its popular and there is people playing wich in reality, its just bots running those servers. If the game is dead,let it be dead. Dont trick people into buying the battlepass and for them to play bots. Its just very shady and manipulative.
I was groomed by Drift0r. I been watching u since 7th grade which was like 2012-2013, around Black Ops 2 & Ghost in-Depth, & to this day I agree with many if not all of your takes. Glad you’re still making videos man.
Matches were buggy af yesterday
Golden age was peak for cod. It’s been on a nose dive since infinite warfare…
I think everyone would trade an unlock system if it meant no skill based match making.
110% agree. I had to uninstall Apex Legends because I felt like I had to grind for the battle pass I bought and it felt like a job.
I hate MWIII’s unlock system for the weapons and attachments. They made the camo grind even more tedious. It’s like the fixed the issue I had with the platinum challenges from MWII and then decided to make an even worse grind for just getting attachments! Wished I skipped this cod and honestly no matter what treyarch’s game turns out to be it’s not something I’m really optimistic for.
Bed cams now WTF ? how did his sickness get this bad is this just proof Disability check proof thing 😂
And what makes you think the tech company's cate. At this point I think there the more except with out the killing part at least not through them at least not yet.