Star Trek Lower Decks "Twovix" SEASON 4 PREMIERE REVIEW

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  • @elim_inator
    @elim_inator 10 місяців тому +90

    The scene where Shaxs asks T'Illups what physical memories they have is even funnier if you think about the fact that Billups is asexual and a virgin and has been merged with T'Ana who... has done some things with Shaxs. The part of T'Illups that was Billups must be very disturbed.

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 10 місяців тому +8

      Layered jokes that are WHY I love this show

    • @alice989
      @alice989 10 місяців тому +3

      even more so with that we see in the next episode.

    • @thedevicebook
      @thedevicebook 10 місяців тому +3

      There's so many different kind of asexuals, including many who don't feel "disturbed" by the idea of sex & are more just "meh" about it. Billips struck me as the "meh" kind since it isn't even the sex itself he cares about. It's whether his mom can bully him into losing his virginity & due to odd cultural customs, it ending his career as an engineer, which is his dream. Who knows what Billips would be like if this factor was removed. (Edited to add: I phrased that last sentence poorly & can just leave it off)

  • @keiyakins
    @keiyakins 10 місяців тому +59

    I really liked the acknowledgement of Janeway murdering Tuvix was followed immediately by "we're not trapped in the Delta Quadrant." They have way more expertise at their disposal for handling this, and plan to use it!
    It all goes to hell because T'illups is understandably freaked out after reading what happened to Tuvix, but that doesn't negate them acting like intelligent people.

    • @weshurst4895
      @weshurst4895 10 місяців тому

      Yeah but voyager is still bound to Starfleet code and Federation laws.

    • @KingOfDoma
      @KingOfDoma 10 місяців тому +3

      @@weshurst4895 Which they'd deal with in however many years and/or decades it took for them to get home. Right now, they needed their people back. The whole reason it was a hard decision is because time and circumstances put their backs to the wall...

  • @frankm.2850
    @frankm.2850 10 місяців тому +69

    I think the episode brought up an important point with the whole “we’re not lost in the delta quadrant” point. They’ve got flexibility and resources that Janeway didn’t. I thought they also did a good job of addressing the Twovix question while also telling their own story.

    • @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526
      @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 10 місяців тому +2

      My one bad point about the episode was Captain Doctor Freeglimoo's reaction to being merged for this very reason. Freeman was all like 'We're not in the Delta Quadrant, we have resources, we can figure this out!' but then the moment she got merged, she did a 180 and was enthusiastically going after the senior crew to merge?
      I would have expected more resistance to T'Illups' plan.

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 It suggests either something about Miglimoo's belief, or about the orchid hybrids themselves. Perhaps they have a very strong preservation instinct, and even the small risk that Starfleet would still kill them was enough.
      Still, you'd think they'd have qualms about the fact that every merger kills two lives to make one new one.

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 10 місяців тому +1

      "WHAT ARE WE GUNNAA DO!?"
      "Well we have a whole starfleet of geniuses, someone would figure out something."

    • @yuliamellott3982
      @yuliamellott3982 9 місяців тому

      We're in the Delta Quadrant, so I can commit murder.

  • @TrensGemini
    @TrensGemini 10 місяців тому +62

    I love little masks slip from Mariner when she sees Voyager, she just as excited as the rest of the gang (maybe even more excited than the rest). With standard Mariner redirection "Boimler gonna flip" after that.

    • @poomar
      @poomar 10 місяців тому +8

      "It's VOY! " was the best line, I love it

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 10 місяців тому +6

      Mariner is AS big as a nerd as the rest of them

  • @borgcubejedi
    @borgcubejedi 10 місяців тому +21

    The "I miss my wife" line genuinely made me scream!

  • @frankm.2850
    @frankm.2850 10 місяців тому +39

    The way they handled Voyager felt very grounded and real to me. Janeway is a high ranking officer who’s still active in Starfleet and is off doing her own thing. I think it would have actually been less believable for her to appear. The curator was perfect.

  • @Yibambe.
    @Yibambe. 10 місяців тому +7

    Loved the reference to "the Pike thing we're not supposed to talk about"!

  • @robert_bbiii
    @robert_bbiii 10 місяців тому +58

    Jerry O'Connell deserves more praise.
    I like the answer for Janeway's action which both sides could understand. She was in the Delta quadrant with limited resources and had to make tough decisions either way

    • @pearsegallagher9832
      @pearsegallagher9832 10 місяців тому +1

      true but like....it was still murder of an innocent man the idea that she was promoted after that is insane........but then again riker did kill his clone in that racist irish episode

    • @tenkenroo
      @tenkenroo 10 місяців тому +2

      Cool excuse still murder

  • @Soguwe
    @Soguwe 10 місяців тому +31

    Voyager was always my absolute favourite Star Trek show, but hot damn
    I didn't expect I'd cry at the mere sight of Voyager parked on earth

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen 10 місяців тому +8

      She had a long road, getting from there to here... ;)

    • @cloudwatcher608
      @cloudwatcher608 10 місяців тому +3

      It doesn’t help that the Voyager theme is one of the most beautiful compositions ever

  • @julietpaige5083
    @julietpaige5083 10 місяців тому +14

    My prediction for this season, T’lin isn’t Vulcan. She’s a spy, similar to the ambassador from TNG that turned out to be Romulan. So I think either she’s Romulan, or Possibly Cardasian. At one point she says “High Command will not be happy”. That ain’t a Vulcan thing to do! Later in the episode she references the High Council instead. A slip of the tongue in the heat of the moment, maybe but not very logical. I may be wrong, but I wanted to put it in writing somewhere, in case I’m not.

  • @Bytecrawler54
    @Bytecrawler54 10 місяців тому +7

    One thing that caught my eye was the view of the Klingon bridge when the ship was being destroyed. Reminded me of the destruction of the third Klingon ship at the beginning of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

  • @BackyardEpicMovies
    @BackyardEpicMovies 10 місяців тому +7

    Jessie is always noticeably happier when it's Lower Decks season. For good reason too as I also enjoy the show.

  • @zedoniverse
    @zedoniverse 10 місяців тому +22

    I'm very happy to see our favourite Orion is now a Lieutenant! :D eeing those fusions was fun to see, it's like a guessing game, guess who fused with who!

  • @SmartSmears
    @SmartSmears 10 місяців тому +33

    I am obssessed with Captain Frigleeman. Also, its cool to see Bomler and Rutherford have a display in the Voyager museum, tying them to the story of the ship is great and its funny to consider that display existing in Picard

    • @SmartSmears
      @SmartSmears 10 місяців тому +2

      I have to wonder if the spy stuff is a hint to the season finale

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 10 місяців тому +13

      Excuse you, Captain _Doctor_ Frigleeman 😛

  • @lakegroce685
    @lakegroce685 10 місяців тому +11

    The noises I made when the Voyager theme played. I was a little disappointed they didn’t have one of Voyager’s guest star but seeing the Cerritos crew deal with Voyager’s unique chaos made up for it. God so much weird shit happen on that ship.

  • @thebitterfig9903
    @thebitterfig9903 10 місяців тому +25

    My first Tuvix thought is that Tom Wright killed it. Came in cold, and nailed a performance that made us care that Tuvix was murdered. Regardless of anything else, I’ve got to respect the actor.
    My ethically dubious solution: a coin toss. Heads is Tuvix, tails is Neelix and Tuvok.
    Would Janeway have done anything else other than bring back Tuvok? No. She started this whole mission to rescue him, she went back in time at the end to save him from a degenerative mental condition. Janeway’s loyalty to Tuvok is boundless.

    • @MariaMartinez-researcher
      @MariaMartinez-researcher 10 місяців тому +4

      Also, Tuvok had a family, and Neelix was in a relationship with Kes. Both men were needed in different places by different people.

    • @smiddlehurst1
      @smiddlehurst1 10 місяців тому +3

      *Flips coin*
      Edge
      .... yeah, that tracks with the sort of day we're having.

    • @mikcnmvedmsfonoteka
      @mikcnmvedmsfonoteka 10 місяців тому

      ​@@MariaMartinez-researcherJaneway should have just talked to Tuvix and said this! Instead of just murdering him! It would be better if she talked to him and then he willingly sacrifice himself so Neelix And Tuvoc can live! Besides they never reviseted or discussed Tuvix later

    • @tenkenroo
      @tenkenroo 10 місяців тому +2

      The scene of him begging for his life and no one lifting a finger for him breaks my heart every time I see it

    • @claytonberg721
      @claytonberg721 10 місяців тому +2

      @@MariaMartinez-researcher Kes did not need nelix at all. Both their characters improved when they stopped seeing each other.

  • @Mordark
    @Mordark 10 місяців тому +8

    Dont know if you saw it but in addition to the whale probe they also added a breen ship chasing a klingon bird of prey to the battle sequence :)

    • @diakritika
      @diakritika 10 місяців тому +2

      I thought so but could not identify the ship.

  • @Kyronea
    @Kyronea 10 місяців тому +32

    This episode was utterly fantastic in so many ways and you listed all of them.
    And don't worry, you're far from alone in finding the Freeman/Migleemo hybrid as hot.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 10 місяців тому +5

      Glad I wasn’t the only one 😅

    • @CrystalBearer20
      @CrystalBearer20 10 місяців тому +7

      There was some furry awakenings this episode.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen 10 місяців тому +4

      Give it about two weeks and the furry fandom will have you covered.

    • @rommdan2716
      @rommdan2716 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@CrystalBearer20Not weird, the Furry Fandom have been conected to Star Trek since M'Ress

    • @CrystalBearer20
      @CrystalBearer20 10 місяців тому

      @@rommdan2716 People watched TAS? I don't believe you.

  • @blahblahh1507
    @blahblahh1507 10 місяців тому +5

    RIP Tuvix, T'lliups, Captain Doctor Migleeman, Sharnes, Lundus, and Swhalens

  • @MeNoOther
    @MeNoOther 10 місяців тому +21

    The enemy unknown ship gives star trek online iconian ship vibes
    Would be neat for Lower Decks to do a story on the Iconians, even canonizing them on screen

  • @sharkofjoy
    @sharkofjoy 10 місяців тому +12

    The "Twovix" pun alone deserves an award. I'd love to have seen the writer's room after someone came up with that gem. Was sort of disappointed they took the coward's way out of the Tuvix problem though! The plot was decided in just such a way that there was no real choice.

    • @jamiez181
      @jamiez181 10 місяців тому +2

      Tuvix = moral kobayashi maru

  • @TheSirSpence
    @TheSirSpence 10 місяців тому +28

    I actually think it was a missed opportunity. I would have loved Robert Picardo to be the museum curator character.

    • @Chiscringle
      @Chiscringle 10 місяців тому +12

      "I'd have thought you'd want to work anywhere but here."
      "It's more of a volunteering situation than a career, ensign. I enjoy telling the stories."

    • @MicahSps
      @MicahSps 10 місяців тому +7

      @@Chiscringle like a "Living Witness" of sorts? (One of my favorite episodes and the closest we got to Mirror Mirror Voy)

    • @jamiez181
      @jamiez181 10 місяців тому

      😭👍

    • @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526
      @nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 10 місяців тому +1

      Oh that would have been *rad!*

  • @cheshiredeimos1874
    @cheshiredeimos1874 10 місяців тому +6

    Best solution I can think of would be to tranquilize Tuvix, then create a transporter doppelganger, and randomly select one to be split into the component characters. Still morally dubious, but this way the doppelganger is spared the trauma of knowing they will be murdered.
    Also If Chapel can survive a ship being blown in half, the Klingon Captain has a chance.

    • @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl
      @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl 10 місяців тому +1

      Janeway could have duplicated and then split in a single sequence too, with no intermediary rematerialization step.
      You matter, until you energy... 😜

    • @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl
      @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl 10 місяців тому +2

      Kind of similar to how Scotty kept himself in the pattern buffer on the surface of that Dyson sphere. Satisfying solution to the 'ship of theseus' dilemma that Tuvix partially represents. 🤔😳😛

  • @Morhek
    @Morhek 10 місяців тому +10

    I'm still not clear why Voyager actually NEEDED to be decommissioned. Was it a Galactica situation, where years of constant wear and tear took a toll? Or was it being torn apart to reverse-engineer the advances it incorporated? Seven years seems like a very short lifespan for a starship.

    • @TheBleggh
      @TheBleggh 10 місяців тому +3

      Honestly? Probably a bit of both.

    • @danielmcdonagh1693
      @danielmcdonagh1693 10 місяців тому +4

      I think it's a PR thing. As fun as they are for us viewers, the average Federation person doesn't give a shit about a ship like the Cerritos. But a ship like Voyager, it had an epic adventure on the other side of the galaxy, it'd fire up people's imaginations. So turning it into a museum where people can visit and be inspired to want to join Starfleet and have adventures, or just support the existence and mission of Starfleet in a general sense probably does more to help Starfleet than just having one more Intrepid class in the fleet.

    • @generalilbis
      @generalilbis 10 місяців тому

      While Seven wasn't a mole for the Collective, she did upgrade the ship in places with Borg-based technology and software. I can see Starfleet quarantining Voyager for that alone, along with studying every self-sealing stem bolt in and every inch of the spaceframe for stress fractures and other issues that cropped up from 7 years of no maintenance from a Starfleet shipyard or spacedock.

  • @MikeJF85
    @MikeJF85 10 місяців тому +10

    The Voyager museum thing ties into her fate in the alternate future of Endgame, too! "Voyager is a museum, on the grounds of the Presidio." Presumably in right the same place she's going to now.

  • @MsVickster12
    @MsVickster12 10 місяців тому +10

    Maybe Rutherford not getting promoted was the nod to 'Ensign Kim' never getting promoted. Thoughtful/fun review, as always!

  • @Seal0626
    @Seal0626 10 місяців тому +7

    The deaths of the Klingons feels like the slaughter of the _Solvang_ to me - shocking, but when you try to articulate exactly why it's shocking, it's hard to nail down. There's no cast iron reason why characters of that ilk shouldn't be allowed to be killed off, except that they seemed to go into a different box. They're recurring comic relief, our expectation is set from our previous encounter with them that if we see them again, it'll be in a lighthearted and whimsical way - being strict about not letting shoes touch the carpet, extolling the virtues of honourable combat - they feel like they should be off limits for killing.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen 10 місяців тому +3

      They didn't feel any pain, and gave their lives defending the borders of the Klingon Empire. Perhaps not the most honorable deaths, but there is still a sliver of honor to be had.

    • @CS-bu7lo
      @CS-bu7lo 10 місяців тому

      I don't think the crews are dead. There were no bodies or body parts floating around after the explosions, as there should have been. We see a Romulan commander's chair and a Klingon blood wine barrel floating around, but no bodies, that is suspicious to me. I've seen crash sites of planes on tv and there are always at least pieces of bodies.

  • @ya-boyrookus7516
    @ya-boyrookus7516 10 місяців тому +22

    This episode was great. I enjoyed T’lyn, them paying homage to some iconic voyager episodes, and the character development.

  • @andrews556
    @andrews556 10 місяців тому +6

    We saw the ensigns be ensigns for three years it was time for them to get promoted. I’m super glad.

  • @NotSeregnar
    @NotSeregnar 10 місяців тому +10

    I had a big smile this whole episode! Seeing Voyager and hearing the theme again was great!
    Also, this might be really offensive of me to say, but is it possible that T'lyn is a Romulan spy of some sort? Her talking about how easy Starfleet security is to bypass, along with the references to Romulan spies and all. I'm probably just grasping at straws though

  • @podemosurss8316
    @podemosurss8316 10 місяців тому +17

    I just watched them online (I'm Spanish) and I loved the episodes. And yes, Tendi and T'lynn have an excellent chemistry (classical, but excellent for comedy). They remind me a bit of Adam Savage and Jimie Hyneman in Mythbusters.
    I also loved how Ransom referred to Shax as "amigo" ("friend" in Spanish)

    • @Woodclaw
      @Woodclaw 10 місяців тому +3

      Thank, now I'm picturing a Star Trek Mythbuster show.

    • @rommdan2716
      @rommdan2716 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Woodclaw"The Myth says that borgs cannot adapt to kinetic weaponry!"

    • @ScottLuvsRenFaires
      @ScottLuvsRenFaires 10 місяців тому +1

      Did you also enjoy how the villain last season was 'Admiral Buenamigo' ("good friend")?

    • @podemosurss8316
      @podemosurss8316 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ScottLuvsRenFairesThat was a good pun.

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 10 місяців тому +8

    T'Lin and Tendi are great, but Tendi always has been great, and reminds me so much of someone from the Starship Locations series.

  • @MeNoOther
    @MeNoOther 10 місяців тому +8

    Neat how Lower Decks made a new enemy out of a story beat from a Legacy 1990s Trek.
    Just like the Pakleds
    Now there are "Hybrids" two personalities merged to one.

  • @purplepothos5794
    @purplepothos5794 10 місяців тому +6

    I love how the writers didn't sit on the fence on Tuvix and tell us on two separate occasions that he was straight up murdered but also build on the thought experiment by giving us someone who is actually a threat this time. I wonder how many people who think Tuvix was murdered are somewhat more accepting on separating hybrids who, despite being their own persons, are now also endangering people.
    I do love their get-out-of-jail solution by having T'Lynn forced to merge everyone together so as to become a nonsentient blob of meat making the arguments over the rights of an individual completely moot.

  • @theotakux5959
    @theotakux5959 10 місяців тому +4

    So much fun seeing T'lyn return for more than a cameo. Shame she wasn't in the second episode. I'm less familiar with Voyager and DS9 than I am other series, so a lot of stuff was probably lost on me.

  • @calroy9108
    @calroy9108 10 місяців тому +8

    They also added a Breen ship to the star ship battle!

  • @danboyle7165
    @danboyle7165 10 місяців тому +3

    Relatable Vulcan learning to accept emotions, where have I heard this before OTHER than Spock???
    🎵 It's been a long road, getting from there to here... 🎶
    T'Pol, at least in Enterprise seasons 3 & 4.

    • @CodeAndGin
      @CodeAndGin 10 місяців тому +2

      T'Pol, despite some awkward writing and costuming (Let T'Pol wear the Starfleet jumpsuit in the prime timeline you cowards), is genuinely one of my favourite Trek characters of all time, cuz you could feel her growth throughout the series

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 10 місяців тому +1

      @@CodeAndGinshe looked so good in the two times she wore a real uniform too

  • @Cdr2002
    @Cdr2002 10 місяців тому +6

    The voyager digs, I gotta say
    Never expected a Lower Decks episode ghost written by Steve

  • @jriver226
    @jriver226 10 місяців тому +6

    Great episode. Also love the irony of someone who supposedly knows voyager history not knowing why expanding the holodeck might not be a great idea.

  • @Faction.Paradox
    @Faction.Paradox 10 місяців тому +13

    Really glad these episodes introduced some status quo changes. Also the "mystery threat" reminds me of a smoothed out time ship from TNG's A Matter of Time.

    • @Chiscringle
      @Chiscringle 10 місяців тому +3

      It looked like a Firespray from Star Wars to me.

    • @eshel9886
      @eshel9886 10 місяців тому +4

      It’s gotta be peanut hamper and Agamus taking out all those ships, with badgy acting as the main weapons control. The question remains, how the heck did they escape the daystrom institute?!? Also, when that klingon captain got blown up I was so upset!

  • @RaviDuvvuri.
    @RaviDuvvuri. 10 місяців тому +2

    In addition to the changes to the opening theme animation, they also snuck the Great Koala of the Universe into the Star Trek chevron splash roll before each episode.

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax 10 місяців тому +11

    Shax's question to T'illups is even funnier considering the tradition from Billups' home planet. Would that automatically make T'illups Hysperian royalty?

    • @Chiscringle
      @Chiscringle 10 місяців тому +9

      I'm imagining his mother's reaction. "Are you saying we could have had a CATGIRL QUEEN?! I must get a sample of this orchid. For ... growing in the royal garden. Yesssss...."

    • @sharkofjoy
      @sharkofjoy 10 місяців тому +9

      I would love to see Billups's mom trying to sue Star Fleet for robbing her of a new monarch, arguing in court that being genetically merged with another being qualifies for "sexual congress". "But your honor, Billups and T'Ana were joined as one, and from these ancient writings, poets have often used such language..."

  • @michaelmitchell4989
    @michaelmitchell4989 10 місяців тому +3

    The 'cop-out' is the ONLY way that the situation could have worked out,

  • @Ofidian
    @Ofidian 10 місяців тому +3

    I always thought that Mariner's Big Trouble is that she has a bizarre, irrational fear of being in an official leadership position, and all of her biggest failures and worst behavior comes from intentionally or unintentionally taking actions to prevent that status. What do we think about this? I hope we can find out why she's like that.

  • @simonashtear2739
    @simonashtear2739 10 місяців тому +1

    "Was the Freeman combination-" THANK YOU! I'm glad I'm not the only one!

  • @AvesPasseri-Jinysvet
    @AvesPasseri-Jinysvet 10 місяців тому +4

    The fun is I am just rewatching Voyger these days. Actually, I have never seen the first seasons. I have seen the Tuvix or the Clown/Fear episodes recently. Which is great because otherwise I would not have enjoyed this episode as much as I have.

  • @IsiahBradley
    @IsiahBradley 10 місяців тому +3

    THANKS for this!!!! The Tuvix dilemma is not one for me. Janeway did the right thing: Tuvok and Neelix deserved to keep their individual self-determination. Tuvix was an accident that got corrected. (Thanks for the alternative cloning idea, though.)The needs of the many.

  • @smwillia
    @smwillia 10 місяців тому +2

    We debate about the Tuvix situation with Janeway, but we do not debate nearly enough about the Sim situation with regards to Archer. If Janeway murdered Tuvix, Archer definitely murdered Sim. Justice for Sim.

  • @Twilord_
    @Twilord_ 10 місяців тому +3

    I really need a parody of UA-cam Debates between Jessie and Steve Shives where they debate what the best modern season is.

  • @ncc1701chris
    @ncc1701chris 10 місяців тому +3

    Hello Jesse been a long time sorry I haven't been coming to your live streams I've been very busy I just saw the first two episodes of the Lower Deck season 4 I love this first one it's kind of like a salute to Voyager and one of their more unique episodes but it was awesome

  • @MeNoOther
    @MeNoOther 10 місяців тому +4

    10:20 You don't make a second copy at ALL. Just set up the transporters to separate the 3 of them.
    Energize Tuvix, then in the pattern buffer separate the patterns to 3 lifeforms.
    But LD changed the whole idea of this group of "hybrids" who attacked the crew.
    Tuvix was a victim, these hybrids are aggressors

    • @Yibambe.
      @Yibambe. 10 місяців тому +1

      They were aggressors because they knew they had to defend themselves in order to survive, which, alas, made it more acceptable that they did not. Kinda sorta.

    • @MeNoOther
      @MeNoOther 10 місяців тому +1

      @Yibambe. Lower Decks kind of did my idea in the end with Tendi separating in the computer

  • @lydiaguzman3025
    @lydiaguzman3025 10 місяців тому +8

    Love your enthusiasm when you review these shows!! Thank you so much - I always look forward your reviews!!

  • @Donovaneagle2098
    @Donovaneagle2098 10 місяців тому +3

    My best friend and I were watching the premier and she literally goes "wait for it, why is the Freeman /Miglemo combination so hot?"

  • @MrTbk1701
    @MrTbk1701 10 місяців тому +5

    What a way to kickoff the season! I love how the characters keep growing. So many Easter eggs! So much fun! Errr I love this show! 🖖

  • @erikabloodaxe2581
    @erikabloodaxe2581 10 місяців тому +2

    Hard agree. Captain Freeman’s combo was super hot.

  • @zljmbo
    @zljmbo 10 місяців тому +3

    yesss my favorite starfluencer informed me about star news trek again

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um 10 місяців тому +8

    I'm happy that our Lower Deckers are getting promoted, and getting their own rooms, and I hope T'Lyn will become a permanent main character.
    By the way, is deleting Frances Sullivan (Michael Sullivan wife) can be considered murdered?

    • @ffreed
      @ffreed 10 місяців тому +3

      Not unless Frances is sentient, which Holodeck characters are typically not.

    • @Donnagata1409
      @Donnagata1409 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ffreed Vic Fontayne was.
      But anyway, you have a point.
      "(sigh) I miss my wife!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ffreed
      @ffreed 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Donnagata1409 I thought of Vic when I wrote that. There are exceptions, which is why I included the word “typically”. :)

  • @joju997
    @joju997 10 місяців тому +2

    It's Tu(vix) soon...
    I spent a good chunk of the episode trying to figure out how they'd deal with the ethics of the Tuvix situation, and to be honest it feels a bit lazy that they took the ethics out of it. I don't think I would have wanted Lower Decks to try to have the ethical debate, but it is interesting how they swerved around it.
    Also, in retrospect, you're right about Ransom. It's cool that he's getting so much more development, especially with episode 2.

    • @Yibambe.
      @Yibambe. 10 місяців тому +1

      I think they did point out the ethics, but then had the same dilemma taken out of their hands. Because, really, what is the right thing to do?

  • @yza5168
    @yza5168 10 місяців тому +1

    Sure, the episode didn't need a voyager crew cameo at all, but it would have been delightful to have Robert Picardo play an EMH tourguide n the ship, playing character for the Doctor, just thrilled to be talking about such a monumentally important figure for EMHs. Not just a Starfleet hero, but also a leading figure in hologram/AI rights.

  • @screwyoureviews9924
    @screwyoureviews9924 10 місяців тому +2

    I really hope that Jet will be added to gang. Jet is a cool head person that the group needs.🤞

  • @jeremys553
    @jeremys553 10 місяців тому +3

    As a huge Voyager fan, this has to be one of my favorite episodes of Lower Decks!

    • @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl
      @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl 10 місяців тому

      Same! I couldn't stop grinning! 😅🌌👏🏻🖖🏻

  • @Jaaxfo
    @Jaaxfo 10 місяців тому +1

    I think the ship is going to be Badgie. He's never been the central antagonist, but he's always played a part in every season as a major threat, even in Season 3 as the Texas AI is a Badgie AI. That and Badgie got scooped up in that end scene in S3

  • @jenb7756
    @jenb7756 10 місяців тому +1

    I love that we get to see Boimler's Number One poster!

  • @saedo9723
    @saedo9723 10 місяців тому +2

    So that means T'Lyn mass murdered the Twovixes by turning them into a non-sentient meatball...

  • @TwoWholeWorms
    @TwoWholeWorms 10 місяців тому +1

    Jessie, the hair is ON POINT!

  • @cessnaace
    @cessnaace 10 місяців тому +1

    This episode and S4 E2 "I Have No Bones Yet I Must Flee" dropped at the same time. I was tempted to hold back on watching S4 E2 until later in the week, to space the episodes out (so to speak), but I weakened and watched both back-to-back. I wish we got 20 episodes per season instead of just 10, and am hoping that Prodigy gets picked up by somebody soon.

  • @amandak.5967
    @amandak.5967 10 місяців тому +1

    Lol I was watching this episode and legit thought "Jessie is gonna like this" when they got promoted. I'm happy about the change too. Tbh they all deserved promotions a lot earlier :)

  • @andreanatsuminadeau5608
    @andreanatsuminadeau5608 10 місяців тому +2

    Wish they had Michael McKean back to do the clown cuz he was a big part of what made the episode "The thaw" so good but otherwise it was a nice show.

  • @randomgotham
    @randomgotham 10 місяців тому +1

    HUGE fan of Lower Decks too and your commentary of the premiere episode. So excited for this new season.
    I love how LD is not afraid to upset the status quo, exploring new dynamics with characters in new situations, love character growth, and love the development of Ransom, that he isn't just a meathead, but an actual good officer. I've done Boimer for cosplay but may start doing Ransom. I have the beard after all. lol
    Also for your theory, I thought the same thing too. That the AI will be the villain and that the beam may have been a transporter beam. Are they dead? LD is not beyond killing people off, but also no one is ever truly dead in Star Trek.

  • @stardustbreak6268
    @stardustbreak6268 10 місяців тому +3

    I think that the Tuvix's all turning into a meatball was interesting because the plants DNA that causes fusion is still in Tuvix, so if he transported with say Janeway, would he absorb her too?

  • @erineddy9310
    @erineddy9310 10 місяців тому

    can we take a moment to appreciate an almost throw-away line from Ransom? when he's telling Mariner that he saw how she helped Boimlern he says, "did you know Voyager is full of cameras?" ... one might think "security cameras." it's TV cameras - Paramount Studios... TV cameras. ... i love that line so much. 💝

  • @Donnagata1409
    @Donnagata1409 10 місяців тому +3

    Personally, I'm on the side of "Janeway did nothing wrong". I expected to hate this episode, but in the end rather liked it. 🤷‍♀🤷‍♀

  • @Dracattack
    @Dracattack 10 місяців тому +2

    Ransom really seems like a solid commanding officer when he needs to be.

    • @CS-bu7lo
      @CS-bu7lo 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes. I'm surprised he is so fine with being on Voyager's deck. I'm convinced he is related to the Captain of the Equinox, also named Ransom and also blond & white. I was really sorry for that Captain, he had to do unspeakable things to save his crew, treated the crew like family and some still muteneered.

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 10 місяців тому +1

    Yes, Peanut Hamper does appear in Starship Locations, in a Kirk spacesuit body.

  • @smiddlehurst1
    @smiddlehurst1 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm just going to apologise in advance for this one but the speculation on an ai / holoship threat at the end immediately had my brain supplying: "Mr Rimmer! Sir they've taken Mr Rimmer!" "Quick, let's get out of here before they bring him back!" As always with Lower Decks they do a heck of a good job with their out and out nostalgia episodes and actually turn in a good show not just fanservice. My only slight gripe is that between Picard and Lower Decks we've now seen so many of the classic ships get a chance in a modern spotlight that the refit movie Enterprise is waaaaaay overdue for its time in the spotlight. We know the A is at the fleet museum so, come on, surely it's time for some good old fashioned ship stealing?

  • @noahstackhouse9818
    @noahstackhouse9818 10 місяців тому

    The multiple fusions were hilarious. I'm glad they addressed the Tuvix controversy in a fair way. I hope in season 2 of Prodigy we get to see Janeway reflect on it. The parts with the holograms on Voyager were so fun and also the borgified salamander robots. Great call backs to some of the best and worst of Voyager. The promotion scene at the end was great. Really enjoying the Tendi and T'lyn dynamic, reminds me a little of Kirk and Spock.

  • @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl
    @CydoniaPhysGeekGirl 10 місяців тому +1

    I was kinda waiting for the blob to make an outright 'Akira' reference in this episode. Or maybe Playdead's 'Inside' video game. 😎

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 10 місяців тому +1

    Boimler and Rutherford are great too. Boimler reminds me of an old music professor I had in college. Same last name. Hyperactive. A composer should be kind of hyper.

  • @Bastion90
    @Bastion90 10 місяців тому

    Voyager is very dear to me, so, seeing all the recent love the other shows have been giving it lately, really warms my heart. Watching 'Twovix', I laughed out loud more than I have ever done on any Star Trek episode before. Some of my favourite bits include:
    The beauty shot - Voyager is so gorgeous in LD style
    'I miss my wife' - deep cut, had me in tears of laughter
    Chaotica flickering like he was on an old film reel.
    The cheese 🧀
    Assimilated macro-virus
    Mariner putting Boimler's name through for promotion.

  • @fighting.words.ma.library
    @fighting.words.ma.library 10 місяців тому +1

    Back to my ritual of watching your reviews right after I finish the episodes.
    Good catch on the Harry Kim/promotion angle. That hadn't occurred to me.
    I *think* I saw the crew disappear a split-second before we saw the ship destroyed. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'd be bummed if they'd died.
    I only did a short stint in the US Navy, but my experience is that XO's IRL are the designated asshole of the ship. They're the extremely by-the-book, whip-them-into-shape guys. Actually, Riker's treatment of Ro is somewhat in line with that. With that said, I prefer the portrayal of Ransom, and maybe we'll see some development out of him this season.

  • @oliviawolcott8351
    @oliviawolcott8351 10 місяців тому +4

    I'm calling the mystery threat is dark boimler.

    • @diakritika
      @diakritika 10 місяців тому +1

      Oh, I forgot he existed. Not a Section 31 ship though...

    • @davedahl4461
      @davedahl4461 10 місяців тому

      I think it’s an alliance of William Boimler and Badgey

  • @gljames24
    @gljames24 10 місяців тому +1

    I was so worried they would reset to status quo like with the delta shifters, but thankfully they kept the change.

  • @Stephen-Fox
    @Stephen-Fox 10 місяців тому +2

    Not particularly relevant to the meat of the review, but the more I think about Tuvix the more I realize it should have been an arc - not necessarily a season long one, but long enough to change the opening credits during it. Like, can you imagine how much more power that scene at the end would have had if we'd have spent a few weeks, a couple of months, an entire season with Tuvix instead of Tuvok and Nelix? I'm not saying change the meat of the episode at all, or the decision at the end, I'm just suggesting that the amount of time the viewer should have spent with the character should have been more comparable to the amount of time the crew spends with the character (Though this is something which would be easier to do in novels, comic books, or just a really long ass video game, due to the realities of television production)
    ...It at least needed some fallout in the following episode, not that Rick Berman would ever have allowed that considering he was reportedly uncomfortable with giving Best of Both Worlds an explicit follow-up episode with Family immediately afterwards.

  • @anvalisok
    @anvalisok 10 місяців тому +3

    Do koalas and whales get along? Is there are a koala probe out there somewhere? 🐨🐋

  • @albizu75
    @albizu75 10 місяців тому +3

    As always, excellent video!
    I don't think that there is a show that quite combines Star Trek values and love for the franchise without taking nostalgia to an unhealthy level. This episode and the second episode are a great start to the new season. Lower Decks, Lower Decks!!

  • @polytropos1.1
    @polytropos1.1 10 місяців тому +3

    I am shocked nobody talks about the koala in the intro!

    • @Dracattack
      @Dracattack 10 місяців тому +1

      The next episode might pique your interest then

  • @philopharynx7910
    @philopharynx7910 10 місяців тому +1

    I see that pip there! Congratulations on the promotion!

  • @threeofeight197
    @threeofeight197 10 місяців тому +2

    Tuvix is the new trolly problem. 😂😂😂

  • @cloudwatcher608
    @cloudwatcher608 10 місяців тому +2

    While I love that this episode gave a subtle nod to Harry Kim by promoting a bunch of characters as you said, I am exasperated by the fact that no new Trek had brought Garrett Wang on to reprise his role as of yet. It’s a tragedy that he, as a real fan himself, and with his character having so much future potential, hasn’t had the opportunity to join any of these new shows, even as a single episode guest star.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 10 місяців тому

      This is indeed a crying injustice.

  • @MrChupacabra555
    @MrChupacabra555 10 місяців тому +3

    I literally never thought of this till now (and it may be mentioned in the Tuvix episode) but: Wasn't a plant responsible for splitting Kirk into his 'Agressive' and 'Passive' halves in the Original Series (or was it some kind of mineral? Time to hit Wikis, I guess 😅)
    Also, your Third Solution to Tuvix is the best: SOMEBODY was gonna get Kilt (because Janeway 😅), but at least you get back the originals and the merged form.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 10 місяців тому +3

      It’s a mineral, one that looks identical to powdered sulphur

    • @diakritika
      @diakritika 10 місяців тому +2

      @@kaitlyn__L They sulphured a lot :)

  • @unvergebeneid
    @unvergebeneid 10 місяців тому +2

    Was this the first time in Star Trek history where the Borg were relegated to the B plot? 😄

  • @myriadmediamusings
    @myriadmediamusings 10 місяців тому +3

    Great start, though between the two I felt the premiere was the better one.
    Twovix was nuts with how much they put into it and still managed to make a great episode. Was good at balancing between the VOY references/celebration, and the plots of our mains. As one who also isnt that fond of Voyager, I loved all the jabs at some of the questionable silliness, from Michael Sullivan's wife to Neelix's cheese to Janeway's solution to Tuvix.
    Speaking of Tuvix, yeah the return of the transporter fusion errors was funny, and also horrifying when they started fusing even more characters. I dread the fan art.
    Mariner/Boimler plot and dynamic was excellent and a sign of how far theyve come. Tendi and T'Lyn worked great together and I await to see more of T'Lyn even if it looks like they wont make her a main.
    I Have No Bones was good though I admit I wasnt really feeling the Mariner and Ransom plot. Was with Ensign Gary on their working relationship. I loved the anti-climax of Rutherford not getting that promotion only to earn it after all because he's a miracle worker. Everytime an ENT reference popped up I thought of how Jess would be freaking out, like with the Mirror Archer action fig and Tucker Tubes.
    Seeing Ma'ah come back and being offed by the season threat was shocking and bummed me a bit. It does sound like theyre gonna have a pattern of showing Lower Decks on other ships before offing them. Which makes me think that T'Lyn's old ship may be on the chopping block down the line.
    All in all, great start and I'm all for 9 weeks of LD goodness.

    • @muche6321
      @muche6321 10 місяців тому +2

      Regarding Ma'ah's fate, I think it's not decided yet. On one hand, he's a named established character, so plot armor could apply and we'll learn more about the mystery later; on the other hand, killing off characters is a common trope of rising the stakes.

  • @Speedball57
    @Speedball57 10 місяців тому

    Took me this long to realize you got promoted too! Nice pip!

  • @jessicazurcher2649
    @jessicazurcher2649 10 місяців тому +3

    It wasn't just you. Freeglimo was hotter than they had any right to be.

  • @AndrewLakeUK
    @AndrewLakeUK 10 місяців тому

    I'm getting so many The-One-With-The-Whales hints here. Season IV, the Chocolate Log, the ship at the end tilted forward like the whales, and looked a bit dolphiny...

  • @kitdunkley-hickin474
    @kitdunkley-hickin474 10 місяців тому +1

    As a nonbinary person, I wholeheartedly agree with you about Frigleeman

  • @rayfethegrim
    @rayfethegrim 10 місяців тому

    I feel like a golden opportunity was missed here. I would have loved If the Voyager episode would finally clarify if Jack Ransom is related to Captain Ransom of the Equinox.

  • @davedahl4461
    @davedahl4461 10 місяців тому +2

    I was sorry they bumped off the Klingon version of Boimler.

  • @panthershadowwalk
    @panthershadowwalk 10 місяців тому +2

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one - Qoute Spok

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 10 місяців тому +1

    The premiere was awesome, and even addressed one of the TrekCore blog rants, (I was Chimera on there) on Tuvix, Twovix. Voyager is back, ha, sort of. It's a cute homage to the Voyager stories. It's also mocking the Tuvix story in a creative way. They actually did the blog rant in 22 minutes. The real one went on for days.