I have a mafell kss300 cutsaw with guides for over 10 years. I've used it on flooring, kitchen panels with zero break out, cut down painted doors with no break out, all sorts.. expensive tools but well thought out, well built and yes i got a fancy box.
I have had this for about a month and a half now. It is a very, very nice router. I do have a Festool OF1010 and I have not used it since I got the Mafell, even if it too is a very nice router. The ergonomics and workflow of the Mafell is very intuitive and the power is very good for such a small machine. Dust collection is better than on Festool and everything about it is nice. The best feature is - of course - the toolless bit change which is actually a bit of game changer. Going between router bits is very fast and no more awkward fiddling with spanners is bliss. Further down the road I can see myself adding one more router since I made a composite sliding base for circle routing and it is pretty much permanently on the machine. I have since I got the Mafell sold off two routers and will possibly sell of the Festool too, and simply get one more LO55. I am on the Bosch/Mafell rails so it would make sense.
That's the main difference between Festool and Mafell. The latter one gives you a well designed, fully functional system with the ability to expand it with third party accessories. While Festool charges you £25 for a set of proprietary adhesive pads.
Yes Festool hike their prices by stealth, they preclude essential accessories which would cost them single digit pounds to add to the box and sell them as optional extras at extortionate prices, just look at the price of their drill attachments £120 for a right angle adapter another £120 for an offset adapter which Bosch and Milwaukee put in the box. Mafell at first glance cost slightly more, but when you add in the cost of all the extras Festool is the most expensive. and their motors are underpowered compared to Mafell's That said I do love my HKC55 just wish I knew about the Festool accessory tax before I invested, I had to spend another £70 on a dust bag and a fence which should have been including as standard, not to mention a Grand I spent on batteries chargers and rails not that I expect those things to be standard.
@@Stefan_Kawalec the posting you're replying to doesn't make much sense or is nonsense or perhaps just hurt feelings? If you start to adopt a new pro system without knowing prices of batteries beforehand you're simply not a pro and not suitable for it.
@@Stefan_Kawalec Yes they are similar, Apple is a tech company pretending to be a luxury brand, I think festool is now trying to marketing themselves in the same way, a tool company pretending to be a luxury brand, both appealing to "hipsters". Tech companies cant really be luxury brands because tech depreciates, whilst genuine luxury appreciates. And there is no place for luxury / fashion in the construction industry, only quality and durability, festool has a bit of that but there is now an increasing over emphasis on fashion, thanks to cash rich amateur hobbyists with youtube channels. Mafell is purely about quality and durability, lets just hope the hipsters don't cotton on and effect the way Mafell does business
Hi 👋, that looks like another great Mafell machine, top quality machine, yes it is expensive, but as well worth the money, I had 24 floor rafters to install in my very old moulin / mill, 100x250 , I made a jig similar to a Arunda to make dovetail joints, I used my Festool 2200 , it was not enough, So I went out and purchased the Mafell lo65 ce , Another excellent bit of kit, that did not struggle, And I already have their door lock mortising machine, Jigsaw, and the chainsaw mortise machine, on the Lo55 it has the lever tool change mechanism that is used on the router table, from Sauters , another excellent bit of kit, Phil from the moulin France
As usual you get a machine that has everything and will last you a lifetime, mafell make very good timber machines and pay them selves back, dont do too much routering but tested it at a shop and it is so much more then just a router that i would buy it if i got the jobs for it.
@@totalprecisioncarpenter5922 Did you actually read his post properly ? I think he knows its not 1/2 hence why he said "But need a BIGGER VERSION with a 1/2 collet"
There is an excellent review by Heiko Rech poiting out a couple of problems of the machine (while many aspects are much appraised). unfortunately only in German. As far as i know mafell has not responded yet. So while they point out many interesting aspects of the machine it is more important what they do not talk about...
I agree, Heiko's review is excellent. The by far biggest fail of the machine is how it handles drilling those long line of holes for the pins carrying boards inside a cupboard. Die "Lochreihen". Pulling a pin up on the jig that rides or slides on the rail guide is a big no go. Festool's solution to use a comfortable Wippe / rocker is a much, much better solution. If you do cupboards and cabinets definitely take your time to test that feature before you buy.
@@sindbad8411 They do not currently have any parallel guides either for the track in conjunction with the hole guide, so you have to measure each and every time and go to the pencil mark... I'm a big fan of Mafell but thats a big no from me
@@chrisclarke1278 bench dogs do a parallel guide for mafell tracks. I considered the 65 but went with the of1400 instead, if they update the 65 with that locking plunge id sell the 1400 and get that as the locking knob on it is really weak, my main gripe, the quick change bit and ability to go on my mafell rails would be nice too... that said just looked and that rail adapter parallel fence is 250+ .. just bought a spare parallel fence for my 0f1400 for £35
Mafell heavy timber tools are the best... don't care about the light duty small timber tools. 25 years experience only other heavy timber tools are MIJ Makita. ,,, forget the rest of the brands.
I almost finished Festool collection and I thought it was painful. Mafell is next level, not sure if I'll dare to start collect this fine German engineering tools being a handyman 😅
Yes pal I did the same lol tools are my weakness the rail system for track saws is far better than festool and that’s coming from a man that has spent maybe 50 grand on tools in 7 years lol
Great tool, looks like they have thought of everything possible to help user .1 question the lever to unlock the router bit (tool changer ) is it made of plastic or metal. It looks like that could snap if made of plastic . Just seen price , may have to visit a proctologist to have it surgically removed 🙂👍
A standard and well built parallel fence is included, together with a bunch of useful stuff. There is another and heavier parallel fence which is more expensive. I have no need for it personally but it does a few things the included one doesn't.
After just installing a new mesh system at home I had a different type of router altogether in my expectations when coming to watch this video 🤣 Nice router though
Festool is a Bentley Mafell is a spaceship. There just so far ahead in terms of ingenuity. You will pay more for the machine initially but will save on accessories. And the tool change is brilliant just like the mt55. It’s a shame they can’t crack the battery side of things because there quite easily the best tools in the world.
Mafell are less well integrated than festool and don't offer anywhere near the same range of tools. That's a challenge, especially when festool has a system and integrates very well.
@@funkeybikemonkey could just zero it when you press fully down to the material. Doesn't have to be micron accuracy but somewhere halfway in between a cheap vernier calliper and the current depth stops on all routers would be nice
@@resmond what about if you have a tracer bearing in? Just think it's a whole lot of engineering for no real benefit. Think of the wiring diagram and board and the sensors to read it. Just not worth it when most of the chippy world has a tape measure or accurate size blocks. Also.... The depth read out is neither here nore there from the beginning of the cut and it's subsequent passes... Just something else to go wrong if you ask me.
@@funkeybikemonkey then you just hang it off the side and hit zero when the cutters resting on the material? I can’t see it being that much in terms of circuitry im sure TI or whoever make a chip for 30p or so that every manufacturer of cheap digital verniers use, they sell for about £10 Tbh you’re right about another thing to go wrong, personally I’m not bothered about a digital readout, but a depth gauge that resembled something a bit closer to a vernier, with a little more accuracy then the current offerings of a metal tube with cheap plastic sliders.. doesn’t have to go crazy I know it’s rarely needed as for the most part it’s all referenced but just a little better than what it is now
When we do the problem solving videos they get very low views. We can't please all of the people all of the time but we do our best to have variety. Thanks for your support and understanding.
I have a mafell kss300 cutsaw with guides for over 10 years. I've used it on flooring, kitchen panels with zero break out, cut down painted doors with no break out, all sorts.. expensive tools but well thought out, well built and yes i got a fancy box.
They ooze class.
I have had this for about a month and a half now. It is a very, very nice router. I do have a Festool OF1010 and I have not used it since I got the Mafell, even if it too is a very nice router. The ergonomics and workflow of the Mafell is very intuitive and the power is very good for such a small machine. Dust collection is better than on Festool and everything about it is nice. The best feature is - of course - the toolless bit change which is actually a bit of game changer. Going between router bits is very fast and no more awkward fiddling with spanners is bliss. Further down the road I can see myself adding one more router since I made a composite sliding base for circle routing and it is pretty much permanently on the machine. I have since I got the Mafell sold off two routers and will possibly sell of the Festool too, and simply get one more LO55. I am on the Bosch/Mafell rails so it would make sense.
The light and quick release bit change got to be best features…..
Along with the groove in the base to run on their guide rail without needing an extra accessory
That's the main difference between Festool and Mafell. The latter one gives you a well designed, fully functional system with the ability to expand it with third party accessories.
While Festool charges you £25 for a set of proprietary adhesive pads.
Yes Festool hike their prices by stealth, they preclude essential accessories which would cost them single digit pounds to add to the box and sell them as optional extras at extortionate prices, just look at the price of their drill attachments £120 for a right angle adapter another £120 for an offset adapter which Bosch and Milwaukee put in the box.
Mafell at first glance cost slightly more, but when you add in the cost of all the extras Festool is the most expensive. and their motors are underpowered compared to Mafell's That said I do love my HKC55 just wish I knew about the Festool accessory tax before I invested, I had to spend another £70 on a dust bag and a fence which should have been including as standard, not to mention a Grand I spent on batteries chargers and rails not that I expect those things to be standard.
@@rocketmunkey1 Well said.
Just like Apple. Festool became a style of life, while Mafell is a style of work. And for my job I prefer the latter.
@@Stefan_Kawalec
the posting you're replying to doesn't make much sense or is nonsense or perhaps just hurt feelings?
If you start to adopt a new pro system without knowing prices of batteries beforehand you're simply not a pro and not suitable for it.
@@sindbad8411Festool fanboy alert!
@@Stefan_Kawalec Yes they are similar, Apple is a tech company pretending to be a luxury brand, I think festool is now trying to marketing themselves in the same way, a tool company pretending to be a luxury brand, both appealing to "hipsters". Tech companies cant really be luxury brands because tech depreciates, whilst genuine luxury appreciates. And there is no place for luxury / fashion in the construction industry, only quality and durability, festool has a bit of that but there is now an increasing over emphasis on fashion, thanks to cash rich amateur hobbyists with youtube channels. Mafell is purely about quality and durability, lets just hope the hipsters don't cotton on and effect the way Mafell does business
Hi 👋, that looks like another great Mafell machine, top quality machine, yes it is expensive, but as well worth the money, I had 24 floor rafters to install in my very old moulin / mill, 100x250 , I made a jig similar to a Arunda to make dovetail joints, I used my Festool 2200 , it was not enough, So I went out and purchased the Mafell lo65 ce , Another excellent bit of kit, that did not struggle, And I already have their door lock mortising machine, Jigsaw, and the chainsaw mortise machine, on the Lo55 it has the lever tool change mechanism that is used on the router table, from Sauters , another excellent bit of kit, Phil from the moulin France
some good innovations - looking forward to seeing you guys running this through it's paces when it's available.
As usual you get a machine that has everything and will last you a lifetime, mafell make very good timber machines and pay them selves back, dont do too much routering but tested it at a shop and it is so much more then just a router that i would buy it if i got the jobs for it.
Big fan of Mafell , the price wouldn’t put me off
I have 3 of their saws, the quality is superb.
I like this product, someone has put a lot of thought into it. So much so I’m going to get one in the hope it’s as good as it looks 👍
love it... but need the bigger version with a 1/2" collet.
This isn’t even 1/2” blooming heck gettin excited for nothing 😂
@@totalprecisioncarpenter5922 Did you actually read his post properly ? I think he knows its not 1/2 hence why he said "But need a BIGGER VERSION with a 1/2 collet"
The Lo65Ec ist the Best Router in World, made for life time and 2600 Watts
Filmed at the The D&M Tool Show, Kempton Park Racecourse, 6th-8th October '23
I went wasn't overly impressed
Lovely Router, they make some lovely tools.
Please bring this as a 110v 60 Hz version in America!
Wow! Every craftsman out there must be 🤤ing! He sold it to me on the tool change! 😅
Nearly as good as my 40 year old ELU!
Elu were class.
One Thousand Six Hundred Dollars ~!!!! Those Euro zone Employee benefits and vacations are wild. I won't be paying for any.
A spin-off from the closed-shop guild system for trades in Germany keeps money levels high and means they can support quality bomb proof equipment.
Was?
I bought one, but try as I might, I just can't seem to get an internet connection with it.
WHY NO 110V VERSION ??
🇧🇷Que beleza de ferramenta. Parabéns Skill.
Any shaping goes on my spindle moulder, and if i can't get it on - i use my cordless dewalt.
What does it cost?
There is an excellent review by Heiko Rech poiting out a couple of problems of the machine (while many aspects are much appraised). unfortunately only in German. As far as i know mafell has not responded yet. So while they point out many interesting aspects of the machine it is more important what they do not talk about...
I agree, Heiko's review is excellent. The by far biggest fail of the machine is how it handles drilling those long line of holes for the pins carrying boards inside a cupboard. Die "Lochreihen". Pulling a pin up on the jig that rides or slides on the rail guide is a big no go. Festool's solution to use a comfortable Wippe / rocker is a much, much better solution. If you do cupboards and cabinets definitely take your time to test that feature before you buy.
@@sindbad8411 They do not currently have any parallel guides either for the track in conjunction with the hole guide, so you have to measure each and every time and go to the pencil mark... I'm a big fan of Mafell but thats a big no from me
@@chrisclarke1278 bench dogs do a parallel guide for mafell tracks. I considered the 65 but went with the of1400 instead, if they update the 65 with that locking plunge id sell the 1400 and get that as the locking knob on it is really weak, my main gripe, the quick change bit and ability to go on my mafell rails would be nice too... that said just looked and that rail adapter parallel fence is 250+ .. just bought a spare parallel fence for my 0f1400 for £35
Just shouted at the little Makita. In the bin now.... Heading to the shop with the wife's holiday money 👌
😂
Which tool show/exhibition is this?
I would imagine D&M Tools at Kempton Park.
Any word on this coming to the states?
is there a 110v uk variant?
The only concern is the 8mm shank when the industry standards are 1/4 and 1/2 and its rare to get 3/8 shank router bits
Im happy with my £35 aldi
seems like they built it for dan, covers most of the issues he mentioned with other routers in a previous video
I reckon he will buy it.
@SkillBuilder it does look like a fantastic bit of kit, so can't blame him if he does
I had to double take at the presenter. At first I thought it was Pep Guardiola. 😜
Next Level
Very Roger’s wallet friendly ❤
For the small price of 1299£
Nope, £650 from a couple of outlets on Google.
Mafell heavy timber tools are the best... don't care about the light duty small timber tools. 25 years experience only other heavy timber tools are MIJ Makita. ,,, forget the rest of the brands.
And I thought Festool was expensive.
Festool mid range.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes, it probably is.
Perfect😎
I almost finished Festool collection and I thought it was painful. Mafell is next level, not sure if I'll dare to start collect this fine German engineering tools being a handyman 😅
Yes pal I did the same lol tools are my weakness the rail system for track saws is far better than festool and that’s coming from a man that has spent maybe 50 grand on tools in 7 years lol
Also I didn’t think my of1400 could be beaten, I might be wrong 😑
Great tool, looks like they have thought of everything possible to help user .1 question the lever to unlock the router bit (tool changer ) is it made of plastic or metal.
It looks like that could snap if made of plastic . Just seen price , may have to visit a proctologist to have it surgically removed 🙂👍
possibly fiberglass reinforced plastic - better than metal
Its made of die-cast aluminum
For what they cost you'd want them to sweep up afterwards!
Looks like an amazing router but the parallel fence as an accessory. Common !
A standard and well built parallel fence is included, together with a bunch of useful stuff. There is another and heavier parallel fence which is more expensive. I have no need for it personally but it does a few things the included one doesn't.
€770 is an acceptable price for a pro shop.
I wish to be cordless 😂
They've thought of everything
So if you can justify the cost....
After just installing a new mesh system at home I had a different type of router altogether in my expectations when coming to watch this video 🤣
Nice router though
Ah, no, that's a router. This is a router. :)
🤣
World's best router is Festool OF 1400, hands down. Period.
Says who ?!
Ditch the cord and your on to a winner …..
Festool is a Bentley Mafell is a spaceship. There just so far ahead in terms of ingenuity. You will pay more for the machine initially but will save on accessories. And the tool change is brilliant just like the mt55. It’s a shame they can’t crack the battery side of things because there quite easily the best tools in the world.
Mafell are less well integrated than festool and don't offer anywhere near the same range of tools. That's a challenge, especially when festool has a system and integrates very well.
So my old 1/2" trend is old hat then? At that price it will see me out!
how many kidneys will it cost.
100 more then you need to give Festool.
over priced for what you get@@saulgoodman2018
Hikoki😅 good, works, cheaper 😅
Well is it?…..the world’s best router …
That’s so clever
Be absolutely brilliant if it was cordless
you'd be using metabo's CAS batteries if that was the case
At nearly 1000 usd (local price) it's surprising nobody has thought in digital depth stop measurement, and some logic in that relation.
Why?
Not actually accurate enough. It's probably impossible because of user putting the router bit in and massive amount of variety in rounding bits.
@@funkeybikemonkey could just zero it when you press fully down to the material. Doesn't have to be micron accuracy but somewhere halfway in between a cheap vernier calliper and the current depth stops on all routers would be nice
@@resmond what about if you have a tracer bearing in? Just think it's a whole lot of engineering for no real benefit. Think of the wiring diagram and board and the sensors to read it. Just not worth it when most of the chippy world has a tape measure or accurate size blocks. Also.... The depth read out is neither here nore there from the beginning of the cut and it's subsequent passes... Just something else to go wrong if you ask me.
@@funkeybikemonkey then you just hang it off the side and hit zero when the cutters resting on the material?
I can’t see it being that much in terms of circuitry im sure TI or whoever make a chip for 30p or so that every manufacturer of cheap digital verniers use, they sell for about £10
Tbh you’re right about another thing to go wrong, personally I’m not bothered about a digital readout, but a depth gauge that resembled something a bit closer to a vernier, with a little more accuracy then the current offerings of a metal tube with cheap plastic sliders.. doesn’t have to go crazy I know it’s rarely needed as for the most part it’s all referenced but just a little better than what it is now
No.
Take my money 🤑 please 🙏.
Needs to be battery powered
Made in Germany isn't what it used to be, their accountants are just as bad and running the businesses like anywhere else, unfortunately 😞
What are you talking about?
Buy one and you will throw the other routers in the trash.
over priced
Another one where you paying for a fancy box to keep it in.
Would you prefer a cardboard box to save a few quid!😂
If I paid that kind of dosh I would want a fancy box.
@@SkillBuilder Exactly, but they aren't just a fancy box, they are a safe storage place for a valuable tool.
@@edthompson9337it'd be much safer if it said Triton on the side
@@edthompson9337 At that price you should have a box with an infra-red alarm system and face recognition lock.
Not worth the money, in my opinion. While some features are good, its not worth double some of the competitors in my opinion
Plz sort the channel out it's getting worse every week. I like more of the problem solving videos
When we do the problem solving videos they get very low views. We can't please all of the people all of the time but we do our best to have variety. Thanks for your support and understanding.
It's a free UA-cam channel mate, give them a break. It wasn't like this video was disguised as something it wasn't.
@@SkillBuilder many people also enjoy tool reviews so I cant see an issue
I zoned out at 7 mins but I am a simple bricky 😴🧱👍🏼
You need to watch him do it in German