David, I just wanted to say thanks for these videos. They really are great. You don't spend too much time babbling, and you explain everything great. Don't stop making them!
Slight difference???? I hear a Huge difference! With "backward" position it sound more tight with a high mid bump. With "correct" position it sounds with more scooped high mids and increased lows.
It may matter when you combine split position with middle pickup (position 4 of a 5 position switch). You end up with either the outer coil or the inner coil.
Tech Talk: Those of you familiar with DiMarzio history will note the visual resemblance to our MegaDrive, but the design is completely different. Installation direction makes a noticeable difference in the sound, particularly with overdriven amps. With the solid bar toward the bridge, the sound is a little brighter and better-defined, and this is the direction we recommend for heavy strings and low tunings. With the adjustable polepieces toward the bridge, the sound is warmer and a touch louder, and we think this works best for standard tuning and more solo-oriented playing.
I just installed this pup in the bridge along with the Dimarzio FRED in the neck and they sound awesome together. CL is so rich and it is so clear, I feel like I'm playing rubber bands if that makes any sense (so smooth,powerful, and awesome). The FRED in the neck is amazing, and roling the tone down just smidgen makes it even sweeter and bluesy. That pickup sounds tubular just as Satch describes it.
Gotta agree that it really depends on your amp and your guitar. I have the crunch lab in two guitars and one sounds better backwards(walnut ebony) compared to another installed correctly (alder maple). I play through a vintage amp and a modern amp, both tube amps. Awesome pick up though. Especially when driven hard. Sounds best through a modern amp.
Definetly heard more treble toawrds the bridge and a warmer sound toward the neck. Also it's a little more full towards the neck. Would you recommend the cl/liquifire for hard rock and metal? I need a nice chunky sound for power chords yet stil kind of smooth distortion. Have you tried the d-sonic or super d? Awesome vid thanks!
About to do an install of a crunch lab in a customers guitar and had no idea to which way to put it.... thanks to you I now know. The "correct" way seems to have more presence and punch, btw. Thanks again!
Sounded brighter in the correct position. I have this pickup in my JP6LE and I love it. I record all my rhythm guitar parts with it unless I'm detuning. I record all of my leads with the JP6.
Thanks for posting this man! It really helps!! I mounted a Crunch Lab less than a week ago in the correct position on a LTD M-103FM and it sounded great, but because of the nature of the maple fretboard it sounded a little too bright for my taste. So I decided to mount it backwards and WOW! Much better!! More fatter, bassier and better harmonics than in the correct position. If any of you guys want to install this pickup in a bright guitar, I recommend the backward position. If not, then go wit
hey, just wanted to say that this vid isn't "useless" at all! was very very helpful, for my opinion there's stronger "Crunchy" sound when it is BACKWARDS, hence that's the way i installed the crunch lab on my Ibanez and the sound is bitchin' , thanks again
I'm about to replace my Duncan Custom (SH5) with a DP228. I didn't knew that there's a discussion upright vs. backwards-installation. Intuitive i'd have put it in the backwardsposition. This vid prevented me from additional bricolage - thx!
This has a significant amount to do with the guitar as well. The positioning of the pickup is significantly determined by the wood of both the neck and body, the amount of cavity routed, how its routed, the circuit and volume pot levels. I play a jaguar special hh with the liquidfire in the neck and crunchlab in the bridge. In backwards form the crunch has a much more distinctive strengthened sound. In standard correct position it leaves you with a bit of wanting a little more.
I bought a used charvel with a crunch lab in it and this gets AAA for sound and tone. Clean sound I get a great country delta blues then add some overdrive pedal and I get a great robben ford sound. Can't say enough good about the pickup. I wish the was a crunch lab for a strat single coil size.
Cool!!! dave what woods are on that parker ? I never know which pickup to put ... its kind of trial and error... tow things 1. maybe do a vid on pickups and thumb rules on them , which fits better in different kind of wood. 2. maybe do a review on the pickup , also on the accoustic side of it.
Backwards seems to definitly suppress the high but also add a Retro-Crunch* to it, sacrificing a touch of clarity. I definitely prefer the "CORRECT" way but it's good to know! 👍
I have a Crunchlab in my Halo 7, when I first got this guitar the first thing I notice was it was massive in the low end, and was a little muddy. I flipped it around and it sounds much better to me. It's much tighter and and more... crunchy.
If I'm not mistaken, at the dimarzio website they recommend the reverse position for high gain drop tunings or baritone guitars, so it might make some more difference in those cases...
AS IT TURNS OUT (this is according to the dimarzio website btw) it doesn't matter the orientation of the positioning in your guitar as long as you have not gotten it coil tapped. If you have coil tapped it, then it DOES make a difference, because it splits the bucker into a single coil.
correct sounded slightly more treble response to me, but i have read convincing analysis it doesn't make a difference because polarity is centered between the magnets
You should have tried it in conjunction with the other pickup engaged to check for the out of phase sound which I believe that's when that would have the most effect being that the bottom coil would change direction if I'm not mistaken !
Not much difference but it really depends on what amp your using and your playing style. I used a super distortion in a cheap Jackson RR V and the typical way was too bright to my ears, so I reversed it and found that it had more bass response with the North coil towards the neck. In this case the Crunch Lab has a major difference between the two coils. But a typical humbucker is built to have two coils very similar with the north coil wound hotter than the south for a wider dynamic range.
first of all, thatnk you so much for doing you're vids, all those test and pickups it's so helpful. second of all for my opinion the bacwords position sounds much better, and also noticed that petrucci puts it backwords as well. thank's for the vid!
So a note for everyone: If you just got a crunch lab and a liquifire, install the crunch lab with the bar towards the bridge !! Then if you want a lot more screaming and cheap tone flip it over, but I believe you won't want that unless you really don't switch pickups while playing.
What an awesome accessible pickup gaurd cover! And by the way....my ear does not pick up any changes in sound, if that helps! I do play both electric and acoustic so I do would like to say that I have a pretty sensitive hearing!
Backwards gives it more lower end, it's a lot more warmer sounding and heavy, it's also a bit tighter. The correct way gives it more top end, it's more clear and articulate. Both are great sounding. I tried the same thing with my Evolution pickup. I forgot which way it was supposed to be installed, and I installed it backwards. When I figured out, I reversed it but ended up liking it better when it was backwards, so I switched it.
Different manufacturer talk: even SH-5 installed backward can have slight difference compared to correctly installed. Tried it on my friend's Gibson SG. Backwards is more suitable, diminishing the highs.
its very bright the correct position which would be great for heavy gain when playing big chords to bring out the lows so it isn't as muddy but as the same time when its reversed i think it sounds smoother it isnt as sharp but it would be great for leads and riffing.
I used MegaDrives for much of the mid 80s, into the early 90s. I noticed they sounded best with the screws at the bridge. I also played some guitars with the similarly designed D Sonic and it was the same situation. Also the same with the Crunch Lab. It comes down to a matter of taste, and not all guitars are the same. Just my experience. BTW, another Petrucci pup I'd recommend is the Steve's Special. It wasn't designed for Petrucci but he used it for a bit and it came stock on one of his Ibanez signatures. Great pickup if you use high gain because it has dialed back mids. With a lot of gain it screams, but it stays very clear. Great pickup.
funny thing is ive been wondering my self. because i was going to get one of these and i have a floyd rose and i didnt want to have to spend 50 to get it in and then have them switch it around for another 50 and then switch it again if i didnt like it.
Thank you for this, David! I have been looking all over for some instruction about this, and yours is the only video I have found on it. And it seems that installing a humbucker either way is fine.
I noticed a little more bite with the bar toward the bridge. Palm mute djent stuff seemed better sounding backwards. With it forward I noticed a nicer midrange punch. I keep it backwards because I do a lot of low tuned (i'm using a 7) rhythm work!
Any difference is VERY slight, but..... Correct Position sounds cleaner with more distinction. Rail to Back sounds a bit more ratty. Nice job.... This was just what I wanted to hear.. Great Demo!! I subscribed!!
My guitar has H-H with 3 way selector switch....I replaced the bridge with a Dimarzio evolution......But now the middle position has less output and no bass.....What might be the problem....??????
In theory it shouldn't have much difference when in humbucking mode. What I mean is that there'd be a difference if you activated the rear pickup alone via coil tap (The one closest to the bridge). But that's because the pickup height would be different as well as it's closer to the bridge, therefore brighter/twangier in tone. Then again, what do I know since I'm not a tech ;). Great experimentation none-the-less! Take care :).
that was pretty interesting... but i really wonder what the sound difference would be with a 7-string since 7-string pick-ups are eq'ed completely differently to accommodate the lower bass frequency along with the standard mids and highs of a 6...
its a little bit brighter in the up righ position i think the regular position is better for some "normal" tones to say but i think it being backwards would be better for maybe a darker allan holdsworth sorta tone
I install all of mine "backwards" as it seems to produce more "grind" and more tightness in the bass frequencies, especially with first-position / open chords. With the solid bar towards the neck in standard tuning the bass loses definition (IMHO). YMMV. Play it cuz you love it!
Hi,Dave!!! Hope you are doing great,man...The backwards position sounds warmer and wider to me,but we are listening only guitar at the moment-so we can't hear what it gonna sound like in a mix when you play with a band-the "correct" position might cut through little better...And also depends what gear you are use or what kind of sound you are looking for -one or another option can work better or worse for your desired sound-i like both :) Cheers Vlad
hey ive the same parker and was wondering if youve lost any sound through using the chocolate blocks ie electrical connectors as they arnt soldered joints now im thinking of doing the same so i can do my own pick up changes cheers jak
At 1:18 "The spiral metal things that hold the screws" Um, springs? LOL!!! Anyway. Nice comparison video. Although I don't have the Crunch Lab (I play the Dimarzio Norton) I've wondered about this myself. Dimarzio also has a pickup called the Dual Sound that they designed so it could be used either way according to your taste. Therefore the name, Dual Sound. I just wanted to ask. What are you playing through and how are you miking it or is it direct. Your tone is KILLER! Thanks!
@Wallimann The only thing that I noticed that I didn't really like was that the clean sound with the backward pos. got a little twangy, but I can live with that. It's interesting that with the D-Sonic DiMarzio says the opposite: Bar towards the bridge: Brigther, Bar towards the neck: Warmer.
@sebkw96 The problem is, when it's installed the right way and you have a liquifire on the neck, switching between them sounds bad. If you lower the treble to get a nice smooth and not a screamer tone from the crunch lab, when you switch to the liquifire it's like you really don't have treble at all. I wish I'd just install it backwards but now I'm stuck until I'll replace my strings which mean 2 months at least cause I don't have money and don't play much! :(
@Wallimann J'suis allé en Provence il y a quelque années, pas loin de Fréjus, à Roquebrune sur Argens. Dommage, j'avais aucune idée qui était David Wallimann dans ce temps-là. XD Tout cas, lâche pas, tes vidéos sont vraiment bon pour ceux qui ont pas vraiment de théorie, comme moi.
normal position sounds like its harmonics are accented in the higher frequencies..might cut through the mix better. however, backwards gives it a slightly fatter sound
I just got the Ddistortion and liquifire for my Jackson js 227 nether fit and I have to run the liquidfire backwards because the cable blocks it from going all the way in when its the correct way. They didn't fit my pickup rings very well ether.
So why do all of Dimarzio's stock images for this pickup show the bar on the bottom? That's what I referred to when I installed mine wrong :) Also the writing on the back is oriented with the bar down. And while it doesn't accross very well in this demo, the backward sound has much less gain.
Correct position has more presence. It also sounds like it has more gain for some reason; probably because it sounds more open ... ? Thank you for the experiment, it was useful indeed. Next: PAF Pro demo, maybe? Salute!
I disagree that the difference is very slight. They're quite distinct! Higher mids backwards, more treble and crunch normal. The "normal" way sounds better to me, though, IMO.
@wesmartino64 If you go to the pickup manufacturer's site. Dimarzio or Seymour Duncan, have diagrams and instructions on line. Otherwise there are sites like guitar electronics. They have schematics and diagrams which are arranged by pickup configuration. SSS, SSH, HH or HSH. Some of the more complicated schematics you have to pay for though.
Hey David, awesome video. I just ordered myself a Crunch Lab/Liquifire/True Velvet combo for my Ibanez S670PB. I'm pretty naive when it comes ti pickups, but the True Velvet is for the middle position (it's an HSH config), and it's reverse wound for this purpose. I'm wondering if when I install Crunch lab in the 'wrong' position, if it will interfere with the single coil since the opposing magnets will be in closer proximity. By the way, you're awesome on Jamplay. Long time member.
it really sounds like a change in eq.... its like going from some sort of high output PAF pickup to a custom 5 or dimebucker or something... personally i liked the correct way a lot more
that was pretty interesting actually, something I`ve wondered about before, does it matter? I felt from your audio that although barely any difference the correct way had slightly more edge to it, I guess it all comes down again to what you like the most, and if you prefer it "the wrong way round" then who cares right? as a side, I really liked the idea of what you have had done on the internals to make changing pickups easier, I`m gunna do that myself, great idea with the terminal blocks!
@jerrydbz What I'd like to hear is the clean tone. Also, what it sounds like in a split with the middle single coil in the "2" position, clean and dirty. I think that's where the difference really lies....
I have a Parker p36, it looks like from the inside its just a big empty square, Do they sell different type of faceplates? I want some PASSIVE humbuckers, I got single coil lol
sorry for the bother but i'm now looking forward to equip my guitar, surely like to put Crunch Lab to the bridge, can you maybe give me an advice or opinion about the neck pickup? i think either liquifire or paff pro, have no idea \: looking both for cool crunchy sound and something warm for the jazzy stuff is it possible?? JE NE SEPPA !!
Hey can you help me, my neck position sound too distorted that it have only little bit of sound while my bridge sounds the normal way. Don't know what's happening?
ahhh both a great tones ! but I kinda prefer the correct position, it gives your tone more power, so maybe you can control dynamics better ! I don't know ?!! ^^
Lol! Those spiral metal things are known as springs.
Sandarpan Thank you! Haha!
Sandarpan I was gonna say that. ROFL
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David, I just wanted to say thanks for these videos. They really are great. You don't spend too much time babbling, and you explain everything great. Don't stop making them!
Thank you for doing this comparison with a standard tuned guitar! Low tunings make it hard to tell what a pickup actually sounds like.
Slight difference???? I hear a Huge difference! With "backward" position it sound more tight with a high mid bump. With "correct" position it sounds with more scooped high mids and increased lows.
Exactly what I was hearing. I think I like the backwards sound a little more.
You are hearing the difference in his playing
@@kimseniorb oh! really?
Correct way is what's right. Doesn't have that muddiness that backwards does.
Seems like deeper bass response with the pup the correct way.
That pickup wiring is the best idea I've seen in years!!!!!! So simple yet so effective.
It may matter when you combine split position with middle pickup (position 4 of a 5 position switch). You end up with either the outer coil or the inner coil.
Tech Talk: Those of you familiar with DiMarzio history will note the visual resemblance to our MegaDrive, but the design is completely different. Installation direction makes a noticeable difference in the sound, particularly with overdriven amps. With the solid bar toward the bridge, the sound is a little brighter and better-defined, and this is the direction we recommend for heavy strings and low tunings. With the adjustable polepieces toward the bridge, the sound is warmer and a touch louder, and we think this works best for standard tuning and more solo-oriented playing.
I'm also Franco American! Born and raised in France of an American father and a French mother! Awesome
I just installed this pup in the bridge along with the Dimarzio FRED in the neck and they sound awesome together. CL is so rich and it is so clear, I feel like I'm playing rubber bands if that makes any sense (so smooth,powerful, and awesome). The FRED in the neck is amazing, and roling the tone down just smidgen makes it even sweeter and bluesy. That pickup sounds tubular just as Satch describes it.
You said that "I feel like I'm playing rubber bands." I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way, it makes total sense.
It would make a HUGE difference if you coil tap the guitar! one way would sound much brighter than the other
The white solderless connectors, what are they actually called and where did you find them? ...that's a great idea.
Gotta agree that it really depends on your amp and your guitar. I have the crunch lab in two guitars and one sounds better backwards(walnut ebony) compared to another installed correctly (alder maple). I play through a vintage amp and a modern amp, both tube amps. Awesome pick up though. Especially when driven hard. Sounds best through a modern amp.
Definetly heard more treble toawrds the bridge and a warmer sound toward the neck. Also it's a little more full towards the neck.
Would you recommend the cl/liquifire for hard rock and metal? I need a nice chunky sound for power chords yet stil kind of smooth distortion. Have you tried the d-sonic or super d? Awesome vid thanks!
About to do an install of a crunch lab in a customers guitar and had no idea to which way to put it.... thanks to you I now know. The "correct" way seems to have more presence and punch, btw. Thanks again!
Sounded brighter in the correct position. I have this pickup in my JP6LE and I love it. I record all my rhythm guitar parts with it unless I'm detuning. I record all of my leads with the JP6.
Thanks for posting this man! It really helps!! I mounted a Crunch Lab less than a week ago in the correct position on a LTD M-103FM and it sounded great, but because of the nature of the maple fretboard it sounded a little too bright for my taste. So I decided to mount it backwards and WOW! Much better!! More fatter, bassier and better harmonics than in the correct position. If any of you guys want to install this pickup in a bright guitar, I recommend the backward position. If not, then go wit
hey, just wanted to say that this vid isn't "useless" at all! was very very helpful, for my opinion there's stronger "Crunchy" sound when it is BACKWARDS, hence that's the way i installed the crunch lab on my Ibanez and the sound is bitchin' , thanks again
I'm about to replace my Duncan Custom (SH5) with a DP228. I didn't knew that there's a discussion upright vs. backwards-installation. Intuitive i'd have put it in the backwardsposition. This vid prevented me from additional bricolage - thx!
This has a significant amount to do with the guitar as well. The positioning of the pickup is significantly determined by the wood of both the neck and body, the amount of cavity routed, how its routed, the circuit and volume pot levels. I play a jaguar special hh with the liquidfire in the neck and crunchlab in the bridge. In backwards form the crunch has a much more distinctive strengthened sound. In standard correct position it leaves you with a bit of wanting a little more.
Good idea. I have the Crunch Lab in my ML1, great pickup. A little too hot for my everyday use but for chunky rhythm it is one of the best.
I bought a used charvel with a crunch lab in it and this gets AAA for sound and tone. Clean sound I get a great country delta blues then add some overdrive pedal and I get a great robben ford sound. Can't say enough good about the pickup. I wish the was a crunch lab for a strat single coil size.
In the reverse position, the treble really stood out but the pickup sounded a bit thinner than in the conventional position.
Cool!!! dave what woods are on that parker ? I never know which pickup to put ... its kind of trial and error... tow things
1. maybe do a vid on pickups and thumb rules on them , which fits better in different kind of wood.
2. maybe do a review on the pickup , also on the accoustic side of it.
Backwards seems to definitly suppress the high but also add a Retro-Crunch* to it, sacrificing a touch of clarity. I definitely prefer the "CORRECT" way but it's good to know! 👍
I have a Crunchlab in my Halo 7, when I first got this guitar the first thing I notice was it was massive in the low end, and was a little muddy. I flipped it around and it sounds much better to me. It's much tighter and and more... crunchy.
Finally a good video about the CrunchLab position! Thanks!
If I'm not mistaken, at the dimarzio website they recommend the reverse position for high gain drop tunings or baritone guitars, so it might make some more difference in those cases...
AS IT TURNS OUT (this is according to the dimarzio website btw) it doesn't matter the orientation of the positioning in your guitar as long as you have not gotten it coil tapped. If you have coil tapped it, then it DOES make a difference, because it splits the bucker into a single coil.
thanks for the clarification, I was wondering about mine that was in a guitar i just bought.
holy shit that wiring is so brilliant!
I didn't notice any difference but I installed one yesterday with the rail facing the bridge and it sounded fine
correct sounded slightly more treble response to me, but i have read convincing analysis it doesn't make a difference because polarity is centered between the magnets
You should have tried it in conjunction with the other pickup engaged to check for the out of phase sound which I believe that's when that would have the most effect being that the bottom coil would change direction if I'm not mistaken !
Not much difference but it really depends on what amp your using and your playing style. I used a super distortion in a cheap Jackson RR V and the typical way was too bright to my ears, so I reversed it and found that it had more bass response with the North coil towards the neck. In this case the Crunch Lab has a major difference between the two coils. But a typical humbucker is built to have two coils very similar with the north coil wound hotter than the south for a wider dynamic range.
first of all, thatnk you so much for doing you're vids, all those test and pickups it's so helpful.
second of all for my opinion the bacwords position sounds much better, and also noticed that petrucci puts it backwords as well.
thank's for the vid!
So a note for everyone: If you just got a crunch lab and a liquifire, install the crunch lab with the bar towards the bridge !! Then if you want a lot more screaming and cheap tone flip it over, but I believe you won't want that unless you really don't switch pickups while playing.
What an awesome accessible pickup gaurd cover! And by the way....my ear does not pick up any changes in sound, if that helps! I do play both electric and acoustic so I do would like to say that I have a pretty sensitive hearing!
Backwards gives it more lower end, it's a lot more warmer sounding and heavy, it's also a bit tighter. The correct way gives it more top end, it's more clear and articulate. Both are great sounding.
I tried the same thing with my Evolution pickup. I forgot which way it was supposed to be installed, and I installed it backwards. When I figured out, I reversed it but ended up liking it better when it was backwards, so I switched it.
Different manufacturer talk: even SH-5 installed backward can have slight difference compared to correctly installed. Tried it on my friend's Gibson SG. Backwards is more suitable, diminishing the highs.
its very bright the correct position which would be great for heavy gain when playing big chords to bring out the lows so it isn't as muddy but as the same time when its reversed i think it sounds smoother it isnt as sharp but it would be great for leads and riffing.
I used MegaDrives for much of the mid 80s, into the early 90s. I noticed they sounded best with the screws at the bridge. I also played some guitars with the similarly designed D Sonic and it was the same situation. Also the same with the Crunch Lab. It comes down to a matter of taste, and not all guitars are the same. Just my experience. BTW, another Petrucci pup I'd recommend is the Steve's Special. It wasn't designed for Petrucci but he used it for a bit and it came stock on one of his Ibanez signatures. Great pickup if you use high gain because it has dialed back mids. With a lot of gain it screams, but it stays very clear. Great pickup.
funny thing is ive been wondering my self. because i was going to get one of these and i have a floyd rose and i didnt want to have to spend 50 to get it in and then have them switch it around for another 50 and then switch it again if i didnt like it.
Thank you for this, David!
I have been looking all over for some instruction about this, and yours is the only video I have found on it. And it seems that installing a humbucker either way is fine.
I noticed a little more bite with the bar toward the bridge. Palm mute djent stuff seemed better sounding backwards. With it forward I noticed a nicer midrange punch. I keep it backwards because I do a lot of low tuned (i'm using a 7) rhythm work!
Any difference is VERY slight, but.....
Correct Position sounds cleaner with more distinction.
Rail to Back sounds a bit more ratty.
Nice job.... This was just what I wanted to hear.. Great Demo!!
I subscribed!!
My guitar has H-H with 3 way selector switch....I replaced the bridge with a Dimarzio evolution......But now the middle position has less output and no bass.....What might be the problem....??????
Thank you, David!
sounds warmer with the blade facing the neck. i like it better facing the bridge
I would be interested in seeing a video of it coil split backward and forward . I would guess you would notice a big difference then.
I think is like... 2+1 =3 and 1+2 =3.🙂 by the way .. I am looking for info on this pick up and you have the best sound so far.
I always wondered and as I play acoustic right now and not electric and nobody would "volunteer" their axe...
Thanks.
Sounds a bit brighter installed correctly, Just a hair more trebly, and articulate. Sounds crunchier backwards, slightly better suited to rhythm.
In theory it shouldn't have much difference when in humbucking mode. What I mean is that there'd be a difference if you activated the rear pickup alone via coil tap (The one closest to the bridge). But that's because the pickup height would be different as well as it's closer to the bridge, therefore brighter/twangier in tone.
Then again, what do I know since I'm not a tech ;).
Great experimentation none-the-less! Take care :).
that was pretty interesting... but i really wonder what the sound difference would be with a 7-string since 7-string pick-ups are eq'ed completely differently to accommodate the lower bass frequency along with the standard mids and highs of a 6...
Great video,been waiting .Nice surprise you tried it both ways.
its a little bit brighter in the up righ position i think the regular position is better for some "normal" tones to say but i think it being backwards would be better for maybe a darker allan holdsworth sorta tone
the first difference i heard was that backwards sounded warmer, not as bright. i liked it.
I install all of mine "backwards" as it seems to produce more "grind" and more tightness in the bass frequencies, especially with first-position / open chords. With the solid bar towards the neck in standard tuning the bass loses definition (IMHO). YMMV. Play it cuz you love it!
@Wallimann Oh WOW! Very nice, David! So,,,,what shall become of the Liquifire? Doesn't Petrucci use a Crunch Lab/Liquifire combination?
The crunch lab is a great pup. Love mine
Hi,Dave!!! Hope you are doing great,man...The backwards position sounds warmer and wider to me,but we are listening only guitar at the moment-so we can't hear what it gonna sound like in a mix when you play with a band-the "correct" position might cut through little better...And also depends what gear you are use or what kind of sound you are looking for -one or another option can work better or worse for your desired sound-i like both :)
Cheers
Vlad
sounds good both ways, more opened up in the correct orientation.
wow, i was just wondering this before i saw this video. so thank you for sharing this,cause it would have saved me a lot of time!
Interesting. Probably explains why JP himself wanted it installed with the bar facing towards the neck even on downtuned guitars...
hey ive the same parker and was wondering if youve lost any sound through using the chocolate blocks ie electrical connectors as they arnt soldered joints now im thinking of doing the same so i can do my own pick up changes cheers jak
At 1:18 "The spiral metal things that hold the screws" Um, springs? LOL!!! Anyway. Nice comparison video. Although I don't have the Crunch Lab (I play the Dimarzio Norton) I've wondered about this myself. Dimarzio also has a pickup called the Dual Sound that they designed so it could be used either way according to your taste. Therefore the name, Dual Sound. I just wanted to ask. What are you playing through and how are you miking it or is it direct. Your tone is KILLER! Thanks!
@Wallimann
The only thing that I noticed that I didn't really like was that the clean sound with the backward pos. got a little twangy, but I can live with that.
It's interesting that with the D-Sonic DiMarzio says the opposite: Bar towards the bridge: Brigther, Bar towards the neck: Warmer.
@sebkw96 The problem is, when it's installed the right way and you have a liquifire on the neck, switching between them sounds bad. If you lower the treble to get a nice smooth and not a screamer tone from the crunch lab, when you switch to the liquifire it's like you really don't have treble at all.
I wish I'd just install it backwards but now I'm stuck until I'll replace my strings which mean 2 months at least cause I don't have money and don't play much! :(
@Wallimann J'suis allé en Provence il y a quelque années, pas loin de Fréjus, à Roquebrune sur Argens. Dommage, j'avais aucune idée qui était David Wallimann dans ce temps-là. XD
Tout cas, lâche pas, tes vidéos sont vraiment bon pour ceux qui ont pas vraiment de théorie, comme moi.
normal position sounds like its harmonics are accented in the higher frequencies..might cut through the mix better. however, backwards gives it a slightly fatter sound
please keep doing these comparison videos!
Ok, thank you very much for the quick reply!
I just got the Ddistortion and liquifire for my Jackson js 227 nether fit and I have to run the liquidfire backwards because the cable blocks it from going all the way in when its the correct way. They didn't fit my pickup rings very well ether.
So why do all of Dimarzio's stock images for this pickup show the bar on the bottom? That's what I referred to when I installed mine wrong :) Also the writing on the back is oriented with the bar down. And while it doesn't accross very well in this demo, the backward sound has much less gain.
Thanks a lot for this video! Very interesting, and awesome pickup of course! Cheers
Correct position has more presence. It also sounds like it has more gain for some reason; probably because it sounds more open ... ? Thank you for the experiment, it was useful indeed. Next: PAF Pro demo, maybe? Salute!
@KHGuitarFreak1988 I'm pretty sure he has the bar facing the bridge on his 7 strings.
Put it in backwards. That sounds better to my ears. It's less 'bitey'. Love it!
How do you get bass out of the Crunch Lab? Mine sounds super thin regardless of pickup height.
for a 7 string guitar in drop A do you think having the bar facing the bridge would be better??
I disagree that the difference is very slight. They're quite distinct! Higher mids backwards, more treble and crunch normal. The "normal" way sounds better to me, though, IMO.
@wesmartino64 If you go to the pickup manufacturer's site. Dimarzio or Seymour Duncan, have diagrams and instructions on line. Otherwise there are sites like guitar electronics. They have schematics and diagrams which are arranged by pickup configuration. SSS, SSH, HH or HSH. Some of the more complicated schematics you have to pay for though.
Hey David, awesome video. I just ordered myself a Crunch Lab/Liquifire/True Velvet combo for my Ibanez S670PB. I'm pretty naive when it comes ti pickups, but the True Velvet is for the middle position (it's an HSH config), and it's reverse wound for this purpose. I'm wondering if when I install Crunch lab in the 'wrong' position, if it will interfere with the single coil since the opposing magnets will be in closer proximity. By the way, you're awesome on Jamplay. Long time member.
I did the same thing. This is such a helpful video! Thanks!🔥
it really sounds like a change in eq.... its like going from some sort of high output PAF pickup to a custom 5 or dimebucker or something... personally i liked the correct way a lot more
i prefer the pup backwards.. sounded a tab brighter but at the same time pleasant also .. just my opinon .. keep on rocking cheers .. SwB
that was pretty interesting actually, something I`ve wondered about before, does it matter? I felt from your audio that although barely any difference the correct way had slightly more edge to it, I guess it all comes down again to what you like the most, and if you prefer it "the wrong way round" then who cares right?
as a side, I really liked the idea of what you have had done on the internals to make changing pickups easier, I`m gunna do that myself, great idea with the terminal blocks!
@jerrydbz
What I'd like to hear is the clean tone. Also, what it sounds like in a split with the middle single coil in the "2" position, clean and dirty. I think that's where the difference really lies....
i actually like the sound of it backwards a little better, it has a smoother sound. its just preference, but i like a really smooth kind of sound
I have a Parker p36, it looks like from the inside its just a big empty square, Do they sell different type of faceplates? I want some PASSIVE humbuckers, I got single coil lol
sorry for the bother but i'm now looking forward to equip my guitar, surely like to put Crunch Lab to the bridge, can you maybe give me an advice or opinion about the neck pickup? i think either liquifire or paff pro, have no idea \: looking both for cool crunchy sound and something warm for the jazzy stuff is it possible?? JE NE SEPPA !!
David, your hand, LOVING IT!
Btw, recording, what do you use?
The big difference would come about when you switched between the pickups, especially if it's wired like a PRS.
Hey can you help me, my neck position sound too distorted that it have only little bit of sound while my bridge sounds the normal way. Don't know what's happening?
Great video, im thinkin about gettin this pickup for my js1000, i think i will go with the right position, thank you!
GREAT DEMO !!! YOU ROCK !!!
ahhh both a great tones ! but I kinda prefer the correct position, it gives your tone more power, so maybe you can control dynamics better ! I don't know ?!! ^^
actually mate, youre meant to put it backwars for drop tunings. Hence why if you buy a john petrucci music man 7 string, it comes fitted backwards...