Winston's observation about punk "movement" lasting longer than the peace love and hippie crap is pretty interesting. The observation that rage and hatred sticks longer than peace and love is pretty profound, even scary.
MUD_- it's observable throughout history, pretty much every large movement (good or bad) came to power and popularity through extreme opposition and hate towards the status quo
I'm not so sure the comparison should be peaces & love / rage & hatred. It's just different ways to rebel, that is, doing nothing vs doing everything you can to subvert and fuck with the system. In hindsight it would seem that yes, doing something makes more impact, surprise..
It's really always been more of a modality type thing by way of generational eras, whereby oppression creates the need for a rise in in resistance; usually government or church, this time both...
2:39 This is such a funny story about the fake bands and venues! You would think that it would kill a scene to fake people out like that, but it's funny it sort of landed him a job making art for punk bands. It kinda validates the line of thought that says, "If you want to make something happen, just start a rumor."
There were quite a few punks who were trained artists and even more "fans" who were definitely outsider artists. Many of them did in fact do flyer art: David Brandt, Pusshead, Paul Votava III, Steve Humann. Several tattoo artists: Snickers, Mark Mahoney; also "fine" artists: Brian Tucker, John Denney, Phil Bower, Sue Tissue, Tim Armstrong; and photo/film creatives: Penelope Spheeris, KK Barrett, Nicole Panter, David Markey, Janet Cunningham, Ed Colver, Nikki Tucker, Jenny Lens, etc...
Great interview. Winston made a record cover for our band ‘Infested’ back in ‘95 in San Francisco. I remember going over to his house to meet him/talk about the cover....we went to his room and on the wall was the art piece of ‘In God We Trust’. I stepped back “there it is” I said, Winston said “yep it’s there”. Showed us the cover he worked up for ‘Helpless White Grub” with a 50’s style Ozzy n Heriot kitchen, fridge open, mother piecing out a worm pie to her waiting son with his bulging excited eyes....Fucking brilliant. One the nicest guys I’ve ever met and very honored to have worked with him. Glad to see he hasn’t changed...(I don’t think he ages)
Goodness, this series "The Art of Punk" is becoming the best thing I've seen in a very, very long time...Collage art is very difficult to pull off without it looking pretentious...Winston Smith did it the best. Very influential in my life...
This is great. I had no idea my design, typography, and collage practice was being influenced by Winston Smith and other designers when I was thrashing around listening to this awesome angsty music back in the day.
the pistols (jamie reid, vivienne westwood), ramones (arturo vega), and clash (simmonon and jones went to art school, did a lot of stencils and paints onn clothes and backdrops) would be cool episodes too.
Awesome series! Very well done. Would love to see more... My vote is for D.I. They had an awesome logo - Mayan dog statue thing; very '80s O.C. skate-ish
Best punk band ever and political but having the good sense to hate both sides . And east bay ray never got the respect for his screeching guitar that absolutely deserves it
I think the story of that poster warrants its own episode. Though I'm sure they passed over it in this one because it was Giger's art and not Winston's.
You mean the Dead Kennedy's hexagram? Their logo is a 6 pointed shape that (with a "Y" in the middle is a 3D cube. ua-cam.com/video/exjnTvxkarA/v-deo.html Here's my video about hidden occult/freemason symbols on old punk rock records. A triangle up and a triangle down...the Star of David. Same as MOCA's spinning cube at the beginning of this vid. They are everywhere. Not calling it evil....just trippy. Crack a beer and please enjoy! PS.....the cube inside the circle makes the Masonic square and compass. Come be amazed, punkrockers!
I disagree on fucking The Ramones, Its a great logo and iconography (though that one already heard that story). I am also interested in hearing about The Sucidal Tendencies graphic expression.
Other than the logo no piece of art was displayed for more than a fraction of a second. This inadvertently undercuts the whole premise of the video, and the series, which is that the art associated with punk is worth looking at. Well, let me fucking look at it for at least one second then. Apparently whoever made the film didn't think it was worth looking at for more that a fleeting instant. That says really quite a lot. The whole point of a still image is that it stays still so your eye can wander around it. It's NOT just a frame in a movie to disappear in a tenth of a second.
Winston's observation about punk "movement" lasting longer than the peace love and hippie crap is pretty interesting. The observation that rage and hatred sticks longer than peace and love is pretty profound, even scary.
MUD_- it's observable throughout history, pretty much every large movement (good or bad) came to power and popularity through extreme opposition and hate towards the status quo
I'm not so sure the comparison should be peaces & love / rage & hatred. It's just different ways to rebel, that is, doing nothing vs doing everything you can to subvert and fuck with the system. In hindsight it would seem that yes, doing something makes more impact, surprise..
Exactly how hippies want you to think -- peace and love good, rage and hate bad, even though all of those are human emotions.
Since when is protest and questioning authority equivalent with rage and hatred? SMH
It's really always been more of a modality type thing by way of generational eras, whereby oppression creates the need for a rise in in resistance; usually government or church, this time both...
So punks made memes before memes were a thing. This is the best fact I have heard all time.
Yes. This is correct. However, punk normalized horseshit.
Actually you guys, memes have heen around forever, I would argue cavemen are more deserving of the credit. What do ya think Lascaux is?
@@generalbacardi3863 Sadly, you are 100% not wrong.
oh fucking hell not this shit
this video is outstanding
Some of the best album covers of all time!!
please keep up with this series!! The Art of Punk has some of the best content and approach I've seen in a while, congratulations MOCATV
2:39 This is such a funny story about the fake bands and venues! You would think that it would kill a scene to fake people out like that, but it's funny it sort of landed him a job making art for punk bands. It kinda validates the line of thought that says, "If you want to make something happen, just start a rumor."
sounds like convid
There were quite a few punks who were trained artists and even more "fans" who were definitely outsider artists. Many of them did in fact do flyer art: David Brandt, Pusshead, Paul Votava III, Steve Humann. Several tattoo artists: Snickers, Mark Mahoney; also "fine" artists: Brian Tucker, John Denney, Phil Bower, Sue Tissue, Tim Armstrong; and photo/film creatives: Penelope Spheeris, KK Barrett, Nicole Panter, David Markey, Janet Cunningham, Ed Colver, Nikki Tucker, Jenny Lens, etc...
Great interview. Winston made a record cover for our band ‘Infested’ back in ‘95 in San Francisco. I remember going over to his house to meet him/talk about the cover....we went to his room and on the wall was the art piece of ‘In God We Trust’. I stepped back “there it is” I said, Winston said “yep it’s there”. Showed us the cover he worked up for ‘Helpless White Grub” with a 50’s style Ozzy n Heriot kitchen, fridge open, mother piecing out a worm pie to her waiting son with his bulging excited eyes....Fucking brilliant.
One the nicest guys I’ve ever met and very honored to have worked with him. Glad to see he hasn’t changed...(I don’t think he ages)
Goodness, this series "The Art of Punk" is becoming the best thing I've seen in a very, very long time...Collage art is very difficult to pull off without it looking pretentious...Winston Smith did it the best. Very influential in my life...
lol "Nike Swooshtika"... I love Jello
I love that Steve Olson shows up in all these punk docs love you Olson
The Dead Kennedys Art work for there albums and single covers in an Art form on it's own, Love the Dead Kennedys. Respect from the UK.
So glad to have made that historic introduction you guys!
The Germs blue circle is an excelent logo too.
exactly most iconic
They also had the nazi skeleton
Horseshit lazy twat
Zoinks! ... now that is a brill' POV of this great artist and of course Jello/the san fran punker scene
Awesome. Great Art!
This is great. I had no idea my design, typography, and collage practice was being influenced by Winston Smith and other designers when I was thrashing around listening to this awesome angsty music back in the day.
Half of these bands , not all, wou;dn't even exist if it wasn't for Ray's artwork. Ray Pettibon is like the 5th beatle in many bands imo.
Hell yeah! Pushead!!! Talk about an influential dude... today there are 10,000 artists drawing skulls because of him.
Awesome series! Would love to see more!
On of the most iconic and the BEST logos ever.
This is mos def the best music documentary ever!
AWESOME GRAPHIC DESIGN!!
MISFITS is coming!!
Pleeaaase
Love Winston. Love Jello. ~~~~ Simplicity contains the secret of genius. In other words; "Less is more.".
the pistols (jamie reid, vivienne westwood), ramones (arturo vega), and clash (simmonon and jones went to art school, did a lot of stencils and paints onn clothes and backdrops) would be cool episodes too.
Cheetah Thunders. You are right, we’d be interested. Please go make those videos!
Awesome series! Very well done. Would love to see more...
My vote is for D.I. They had an awesome logo - Mayan dog statue thing; very '80s O.C. skate-ish
Those Shriners are so funny!
"What if Crass was funny" is probably the best was to describe Jello
Best punk band ever and political but having the good sense to hate both sides .
And east bay ray never got the respect for his screeching guitar that absolutely deserves it
love the series!!! more please
Love That Book! Viva La James Stark
Loved this series, any chance of more?
Need a Rudimentary Peni one!
Might not be the easiest thing in the world to get an interview with Nick Blinko
kinda strange that there is no dk music at the beginning
due to legal battles it seems you can either have Jello or the DKs in your doc, but not both.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Kennedys#Legal_conflicts
Awesome! Love that logo!
I always draw the logo on tables at school
lol, mee too, together with anarchist A, Squat N, Totalni Naszeni TN
Me too, and black flag and jfa and poison idea and agression and void
Yes Winston. Looking dope there bruv.
Can't wait for the misfits video. :D
Awesome video!
Very interesting! I'm glad I stumbled upon this!
More please. You have to keep this series going, there are so many great logos left; Skank Man from Circle Jerks, Seven Seconds, Minor Threat ....
"In God We Trust, Inc." is like a soundtrack to my life.
I have that “let them eat jellybeans” record
Great story !
Hate will still be there long after love has dissolved and left this world!
Rudimentary Peni next would be sick!
I'd love to see the collages made by Biafra
Very cool....thx
punk is live star time real music is power is love just day is punk.
I hope they make Misfits, Crass and Ramones episodes. Crime, FEAR and Bad Brains have great text logos too.
I think the story of that poster warrants its own episode. Though I'm sure they passed over it in this one because it was Giger's art and not Winston's.
Dope
You mean the Dead Kennedy's hexagram? Their logo is a 6 pointed shape that (with a "Y" in the middle is a 3D cube. ua-cam.com/video/exjnTvxkarA/v-deo.html Here's my video about hidden occult/freemason symbols on old punk rock records. A triangle up and a triangle down...the Star of David. Same as MOCA's spinning cube at the beginning of this vid. They are everywhere. Not calling it evil....just trippy. Crack a beer and please enjoy! PS.....the cube inside the circle makes the Masonic square and compass. Come be amazed, punkrockers!
Don't know that one but here is one I have cherished for many years; "Streetart, the Punk Poster in San Francisco, 1977-1981"
Yes, collage art can be deeply misunderstood as scrapbook art in the wrong hands, with the wrong attitude about what it can be...
The symbol is the rune for grief and fear
no
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Is it his real name? Or did he take it from George Orwell's 1984?
NO kidding! How could they leave that out! That was HUGE obscenity case! Jello went on Oprah!
Also, the misfits should be next. The story behind the crimson ghost.
i would love to see that
"What if Crass was funny?"... Then people would probably still like them 30 years later... like Black Flag.
People don’t like Crass? I’ve never heard of them until I saw this video.
"We're ruled by dangerous, mad people. What's funny about *that* for fuck's sake?"....
LARD saved my life.
Does anybody know which collage Winston talks about when he speaks about Niagara Falls?
awesome
Do Circle Jerks soon! The skanker man is rad.
Jello is my punk rock grandpa
Cool
i used it as my initials, fuckn cool
dasadopeboy
That's Awesome Dickie Kooter!!! Awesome!!!
awesome icon
Minor Threat or Misfits next!
Anyone know what song plays at the end during credits?
+eamonic sounds like the band Fucked Up to me, not sure what song it is, though if you like it their whole discography should do you some good
Jacob Dunn Thanks you.
Bad Brains
Why is Jello Biafra in a wheelchair??
Frank Discussion I'm assuming its not because he is crippled because it appears he is at a show.
Old high school football injury. 🤐
Frank Discussion His injury from his jock days caught up to him.
do you people not know about him being almost beaten to death?
He is being crushed by the weight of his own bullshit and ego.
Great vids, but nothing about H.R. Geiger and the Frankenchrist work?
I disagree on fucking The Ramones, Its a great logo and iconography (though that one already heard that story). I am also interested in hearing about The Sucidal Tendencies graphic expression.
im voming here once in a whice for couple of years, and i still dont know what's the music at 1:42
tsol or adolecents next!
CRASS is up now!
What is the title of the book being burned in the intro?
Song at 4:50?
Lazarob12 Hoax - Down
Circle One.
Other than the logo no piece of art was displayed for more than a fraction of a second. This inadvertently undercuts the whole premise of the video, and the series, which is that the art associated with punk is worth looking at. Well, let me fucking look at it for at least one second then. Apparently whoever made the film didn't think it was worth looking at for more that a fleeting instant. That says really quite a lot. The whole point of a still image is that it stays still so your eye can wander around it. It's NOT just a frame in a movie to disappear in a tenth of a second.
VIVA LA DEAD KENNEDYS
I dont understand why they don't use any of the music from the band they are featuring?!
minor threat gamw
I wish doom could have worked with gello
whats is the intro song
how did they not talk about the frankenchrist poster???
RunningP123456 they did
Whats the song at 2:35?
stuck by Hoax
Pushead next
Punk is SCARING YOUR MOTHER. Oh geez
If you like Winston Smith and Gee Vaucher art then check this out ua-cam.com/video/5bNWO8sLD7I/v-deo.html
Fuckin awesome
HAHAHA I have a Dead kennedys Fillmore poster
+Vera666 its the way you tell it thats funny
Licensing issue...plus its about the Art not the music
"what if crass was funny" 😭😭😭😭😭😭
music licensing is $, and there's legal issues between the band members
interesting...
...not a single dead kennedys-song throughout the whole vid
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