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I would honestly like to know your thoughts on endurance bike and if you feel like there is a place for them anymore?
I have an endurance bike and while I think there’s not really a place for them at the high end anymore, they are good for amateur riders who want to be able to go fast on the road while also being comfortable for long rides with the more upright position. I’m starting to improve my speed so I’m looking to upgrade to a more dedicated climbing bike after I’m done with this one but for a beginner who’s not necessarily looking to optimize everything but still wants a capable climbing machine with reasonable comfort I can’t think of a better option
Maybe as an entry level road bike.
I think Endurance does have a place. I am approaching 60 and getting fatter and less fit but still like to ride. Beside being a little more upright on an Endurance bike, I like the longer wheel base making the bike less twitchy and more comfortable over choppy/corrugated roads.
Also if I am looking a more high end bike, most of the Gravel bikes only offer 1x and I want 2x. Also the Gravel bikes seem to have a shorter stem then an Endurance bike so they have different feel when steering on fast descents.
Gravel are generally heavier than Endurance bikes.
I think endurance bikes are great for almost everyone that's into cycling but doesn't race. More comfortable but can still go fast and they are fun. Love my synapse for these reasons
I'm on a Cervelo frame that won the TdF as well as Paris-Roubaix in its time and it is considered an endurance bike. For me, a casual rider who never races but likes to travel fast, this is the perfect bike
I think endurance bikes make a lot of sense. I'm not a racer so I want a bike with a relaxed geometry and enough compliance to not get beat up by crappy roads on long rides. When I ride off road I ride a mountain bike.
You should Just go for moutian bike with road tire . Very comfortable and not much slower
@@CoreQ you tripping with that comment
@@CoreQ it that would be d7mb
I work at a Trek store and the domane is our best selling road bike.
Endurance bikes are godsend for folks like me who are not that young anymore. Even though they have only tiny bit more relaxed geometry, it makes huge difference on longs rides. On emonda i constanly find myself with hands on top of handlebar. On domane i can go for hours with my hands on the drops
why would you be in the drops for hours on end lol
@@adaml5473 because aero is lyf 🤣🤣🤣
I am 25 but still ride endurance bike 😂 my body is just too stiff 😂
Same here i am 51 replacing my old roadbike and nog longer need a pure racer. On the tires wider tires is also about safety. My old bike is 25mm and that starts to feel unsafe heren in the Nederlands on sometimes word out cycling paths .
Endurance bikes are relevant: relaxed geometry, added compliance, ride all day bikes. While I would love a race oriented or aero bike, I have physical limitations which preclude my riding those machines. An endurance oriented frame suits me perfectly.
I think I would rather have an endurance bike with a tall headtube and zero spacers than a race bike with a huge stack of them. More than 1-2 spacers make for a very unpleasing aesthetic. Also, I think the difference of reach between the domane and madone might look subtle side by side, but it's quite a bit different in the real world.
Exactly, if you need 4cm of spacers on your race bike then you should have bought the endurance bike.
Agreed
I feel like you could do that side by side with any two road bikes and say they are the same. Even a few XC MTBs with steeper angles would look similar. How is this guy a bike youtuber and not realize the small details in geometry are very important. The domane and emonda have 13mm difference in chainstay length, the head tube angle is almost 2 degrees different. They are pretty different bikes
tall headtubes do not look good
@@matthewedmond5189 I believe his point is that the Emonda's head tube angle is perfectly suitable for riding on road (if that's what you want to do) and if you want to ride off road (where a slacker head angle makes sense) then just buy the Checkpoint and benefit from the additional flexibility of wider tyre clearance. Regarding iso-speed etc the wider tyres will replicate/beat the sensation (if not the function) and without proprietary/heavy parts. The summary is that the niche that the Domane used to fill (I've owned three of them) is no longer particularly relevant unless you need a very long head tube (in which case why buy an expensive "performance" bike?). As he says though - it's your money, buy what you want
I have the gen 3 version of the Domane, I live in the uk Peak District, our winters seem to begin in October and round to April these days, during this time the roads are constantly soaking wet, having the ability to mount mudguards on a bike is a must for out winters, I’ve tried running things like race blades on race bikes, they are nothing but trouble, they don’t give full protection and are constantly getting knocked, there are very few bikes available these days with dedicated mudguard mounts, well done Trek for recognising this and continuing to produce a bike that is needed in certain parts of the world
I’m 59 and I’m currently riding a 2020 Domane SL5 with more than 10,000km on it. My flexibility isn’t great but I can go out and do 120km with 1,100m of elevation. I couldn’t say the same of the bike that preceded it (a De Rosa SK Pininfarina). 70km and my back hurt. In my experience there are more people like me than those in need of a race bike and it isn’t just about tire size, but geometry.
I'm also seeking an SL5 but worried about getting a carbon frame and it cracking compared to aluminium AL5. What are your thoughts?
@@flippmogaming1 my last three bikes have been CF... I’ve been riding for 30+ years and I’m a fan of the benefits.
I'm honestly sick of this question being asked online. I for one, have ABSOLUTELY no interest in riding off road, so I don't need, nor want, a gravel bike. When I bought my Roubaix, I was in the market for a Domane or a Canyon Endurace, for the explicit reason that I in all my 43 years of age, needed a bike that was faster than my old Trek Hybrid, but still maintaining the comfort of that bike, which I found in the Roubaix. I've got nice modern tire clearance, nice modern disc brakes, nice modern electronic shifting, nice modern 20lb total weight with all the stuff I have on it at the present, and a nice modern $5000 price tag, and I couldn't be happier with my purchase and it puts a smile on my face EVERY SINGLE TIME I ride, until I get yet another puncture that is...
I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling this way and I'm also so relieved I didn't buy a Tarmac, because I know I probably would have regretted buying something so racy. I'm not as young as I used to be and that only gets worse every day. I'm not as fit either, but that's something that can be worked on. I've never been very flexible either. So I fit the description of the customer of the Endurance bike category. I want road, I want fast, and I want relative comfort, and you get all three with a modern endurance bike, even if the Domane is still heavier than the competition. LONG LIVE THE ENDURANCE BIKE!
Dude, I so agree! I want road and I want comfort. Who the f*** thinks they need an Emonda to save another 3 seconds off their weekend ride? Long live endurance!
I don’t think I could even FIND a gravel road where I live, even the “back” roads are smooth paved.
I have the slr 7 eTap and it is absolutely glorious. I don't ride gravel, and my back appreciates the geometry. I had the prior Gen and I messed with the isospeed once, so I enjoy what they did. I run 28 or 30 mm tires.
As Trek have gone to handlebar/stem cable integration they have removed the iso-speed in the front of their bikes. Basically this is the Domane of 2015 which lacked front iso-speed and adjustable rear iso-speed.
true, they tried something and it didnt work, so they went with the right thing, like a bunch of companies trying pressfit and not working and then going back to threaded
Endurance bikes are for us general population who don't race bikes and or just want a more upright comfortable ride.
The geo potentially makes this bike an option for me.. I could not achieve the set up I need without the higher head tube, shorter top tube. Endurance road has its place
Endurance bikes like the Domane are great because of their versatility in exactly the opposite way of the checkpoint. The domane is a road bike first with the ability to do gravel and the checkpoint is a gravel bike first with the ability to do road. As someone who rides mostly roug city streets in the Midwest, I like the added comfort of a domane and also like to throw gravel tires on a few weekends a year if I want to hit a gravel path. Those who predominately ride gravel but want to ride roads occasionally probably choose the checkpoint but, in any case, an emonda or madone don’t offer nearly the same versatility.
GC 100% on point. Domane is the same as the Emonda except for the IsoSpeed feature and tire clearance. I thought the Domane was different but it’s heavy and has a lazy feel when riding it. If your considering it just save your money & buy a hybrid bike. For a road bike if you want a Trek get the Emonda, it’s the best bike in the lineup.
Indeed, I myself have Emonda SL6 and its great bike. Fast and comfortable.
I’m a real Trek fan (Trekkie?) as I like their design approach and that they’re not afraid to bring new things to the consumer first. I run a couple of Domane’s, a Madone SLR (the first and best.!) and a Fuel EX. My gravel bike is a Marin as Trek were late to the party with their first couple of generations of Checkpoint. Each of the 5 models you spoke about have a different focus or niche market but you’re right in that they’re also flexible and cover a broad use around that particular niche. The bike industry is following the car industry in there’s a huge number of models available for slightly different niche markets. I think it’s great to have choices and I can’t see any manufacturer reducing the amount of choices. Long live Trek.! 👌😀
Something as small as a 10mm difference in chainstay length and 1 degree in head tube angle can make a palpable difference in how the bike handles. Not to mention the carbon layup. So comparing the bikes based on how they look on a website can be quite meaningless. Shaving a few grams off a bare frame can also dramatically affect the cost because different materials and manufacturing methods must be used.
Trek is one of the brands I sell, and I too see a huge amount of endurance bikes selling, and also been trying to figure out which bike is unnecessary. Domane is the biggest seller in my experience. First, it's often the entry aluminum bike that gets my customers on a road bike, and if they upgrade to carbon they tend to stick with what they like. Second, Emonda is marketed and sold poorly. It's touted as their lightweight climber, but that is not at all apparent through the SL spec sheet (it's mere a 200g lighter frame than the Domane, and the Emonda sl 5 build is only 64g lighter than equivalent Domane). It is a fantastically stiff frame, with some nice aero tubing borrowed from Madone, but doesn't live up to the climber fantasy of the marketing.
What I would love to see as their lineup:
Madone SLR (Aero over everything) - Retain all current specs
Emonda SLR (Weight weenies wet dream) - All current specs and a rim brake model
Domane SLR (Checkpoint/Domane) - All Domane specs + Checkpoint AXS builds, Basically a Checkpoint with road groupsets as well.
Emonda/Madone SL (Entry carbon race bike) - Etap & Rim brake spec (climber) and Hydraulic w/ Di2 spec, options with and without carbon wheels.
Domane SL (Pretty much current Checkpoint SL) - All current spec & 1x AXS
Checkpoint SL (More like a Salsa Cutthroat) - 29x2.4" clearance, 1x, pure gravel and offroad adventure
Emonda ALR (Entry Race Bike) - As is, this bike slaps
Domane ALR (Pretty much the current Checkpoint ALR) - Current spec + a mechanical 105 version
Checkpoint ALR ( Aluminum Salsa Cutthroat) - See SL
Domane AL (entry road bike) - all current spec but 45mm clearance (40 w/ fenders). Maybe cut the Claris for a touring build that forgoes the carbon fork for an aluminum one which can mount a rack.
Its exactly what you called it, a glorified gravel bike. Just a few years ago gravel bikes were spected just like the current domanes. I was in the market for a more road-oriented "gravel bike" and domane was perfect for that. I got my carbon wheels for the road and my stock wheels with 40c make a great gravel bike without being forced in all the short gearing and one by all gravel bikes come with now.
I've been going back and forth between a Domane and a Checkpoint for my next bike. I feel like I want a roadish gravel bike or a gravelish road bike, and it seems like these two bikes fill that role best. My plan is also to setup two wheel sets for road use and gravel use. Are you happy with the Domane?
@@kevinhines6066 Yes I am very happy but I am more road focused with it since I was able to fit a 53/39 cranksets and paired with an 11-30 cassette, it still has great gravel capability. I reduced my gravel tires to 38c for more clearance and it is more than enough tire for most gravel road and even some mtb trails.
Domane is my first road bike. I got it two years ago that’s all I know for a road bike . I love it and will always just buy trek. My next bike will be a fuel 8.
I love your videos…. I live in SF and if you look closely at the Trek marketing videos, the footage is taken immediately across the Golden Gate in the Headlands. For us, this bike becomes interesting exactly for the 50/50 road/gravel that we aspire to ride. The gravel trails are typically well groomed fire trails designed for large fire trucks with layers of rock overlayed with gravel. Here, all you need is 38 mm tires and nothing too technical needing more than 40. This bike plus the new BMC look as the Gravel Cyclist would say, is “tasty”.
Checkpoint with a set of road tires and a set of gravel tires is the best value proposition. All the features/gimmicks of each individual bike don't make a significant difference at regular riding speeds to justify owning multiple bikes.
I always have looked at the Domane and Checkpoint as similar bikes (at least since 2020)
yea they prety much are and a lot of pros ride domanes during gravel races
I had two endurace bikes when I started cycling. I was afraid of the “race geometry” of other bikes. My 2013 Roubaix was my first carbon bike I still have it. And I love this bike. I considered a more recent roubaix model but the front suspension put me off. I went with a 2022 trek Emonda SLR. And I love this bike. Not going back to Endurance geometry but I a keeping my old Roubaix.
youtube is divided on endurance bikes, you've got a bunch of bike fitter type channels saying we should sell more endurance geometry bikes, and you've got other channels (not just yours) declaring they are dead!
I'll bet most of his customers with Tarmac sl7's have at least 3cm of spacers meaning they should be on an endurance bike.
As a cyclocross racer my bike is already an endurance and gravel race bike with rim brakes.
This is a good fit for people who don’t want to race. People who want to ride road and gravel/dirt without purchasing more than one bike.
maybe yes
Coming soon: 2023 Domboonepoint SLR
Endurance road bikes are perfect for 90 percent of the population. I work at a trek dealer and the domane is the number one road bike we sell and we sell shit tons every year
yea, it makes sense for the rest of the country here because of how smooth the roads are and so flat that the enmdurance bikes do not sell alot here
3rd!
Completely agree. Lots of overlapping in these designs
The niche for such endurance bikes are long bike rides with some amount of bad road. With 35, 38 mm tires this bike can even handle some light gravel.
If I want to ride off-road I'll get a mountain bike.
Absolutely nobody I ride with ever said "I wish we could leave this road and go down that muddy trail".
I have had 2 Domanes. My current one is a 2017 SL5 Disc. It came with Vision Metron 40 aero wheels. It's a comfy missile, exactly what most leisure road riders want.
I don't race, I go for rides in the countryside and look at the scenery. I run 32mm tyres at 80psi and have mud guards (fenders) fitted.
It's a fast comfy ride all year round.
I did Paris-Brest-Paris 1200km on my first Domane. Trust me, comfort counts.
I see Gravel bikes as a good solution for commuting on crappy urban roads but mostly I see them as a gimmick, a marketing exercise by the manufacturers, to ship more bikes.
In 5 years they'll be advocating everyone buys a Global Touring Bike with belt drive .... or something else we all suddenly need.
The only people who think gravel bikes are a gimmick are the ones who don’t own a gravel bike.
@@adrianc6534 I have a Genesis Day-One. It's a cyclo-cross bike. I suppose I should call it a gravel bike and sell it for twice the price.
I definitely do not think that endurance bikes are obsolete. Looking at the amount of spacers on most race bikes ridden by "normal" people, the geometry of endurance bikes apparently fits many customers better.
And I quite like this one, BUT: We're talking about more than 8 kg (with pedals and cages) for the SLR Ultegra model for which Trek is asking an insane 10.000 €. Considering Trek's own range of models I would definitly prefer the checkpoint. Endurance and gravel bike combined.
Btw: Do you have any clue when Spec is going to present its 2023 colours/models?
As a 70 year old riding a Canondale Synapse with 25C tires I don't feel as secure riding as I was when I got it 6 years ago. (with an extended handlebar bracket) I have a cheap hybrid with 30C tires that is very secure to ride, for me. That is why I am thinking of the Domane. Wider tires, disk breaks, 105 di2 set and more upright geometry. (SL6) Any suggestions for a slower riding 70 year old with some balance issues? I have even thought of the Domane with e-assist if I start riding with a group again in order to keep up.
The RSL geometry is nice
I remember the Domane had a gravel version before the checkpoint came out. I used the CrossRip as a gravel bike before I went to the specialized diverge.
Im 25, and make total sense out of Endurance bikes.... Cyclists go beyond trying to lose weight on their bikes, its honestly overrated. Comfort is the biggest help you can get once you've been on the bike for over 2hrs. Run low pressure on one of these and you wouldnt be able to tell the diffrence from this and a Cadillac. I pass riders on their 6 kilo bikes on my '19 Domane all day long and make them look like fools!
Who buys these…over 12k?
whonknows, but I am sure we will see one
thank you! Answered all my questions ...
Happy to help!
I’ve had lots of fun with my 2020 Trek Emonda SL7. Considering getting a newer SLR model which should be lighter and more aero. The only setback for me is the claimed max tire clearance of 28c. Here in Seattle, WA we have very many beat up, moon crater roads that you have no choice but to cross them nearly every ride. Dilapidated trails with tree roots and potholes, slippery moss and gravel everywhere. Not to forget all the glass from broken car windows and debris from construction littering every bike lane. I am considering doing a build on the Domane RSL frame, so I could still have a semi light/aero road bike that fits more comfortable 32 tires. I find that tubeless tires have a better chance to seal punctures when being run at lower PSI. Another option I’m considering is the new Giant Propel, which is the most aero option and claims clearance of 30c, which should help some. I’m not sure why you mentioned the Emonda could fit a 32mm tire. I don’t believe that’s true. If it was I’d stick with that bike hands down. Thoughts? Appreciate it, I’m a fan of your channel.
It will fit a 32mm tire. I'm currently using 28/30mm Schwalbe pro one addix tlr with room to spare.
I own a 2021 Domane SL7 and am not 100% sold on it because I don't use it as a gravel bike. I love the upright position the higher stack and shorter head tube offers but I don't like the weight. There are already so few options out there that fit the bill for me that is why I went with it. Anything you would recommend for a short (5' 3" with 27 inch inseam) older, less flexible guy???
I have just purchased a Giant defy 1 endurance bike a lot cheaper bike than the Trek and i believe the Trek frame is built by Giant,The defy as mudguard mounts and great tyre clearence.What i am saying i dont think endurance bikes are dead i just think Trek are to expensive buy the Giant better value for money
All suspension is designed for a specific weight range. What weight do you think they had in mind for the Domane? If a 200lb rider sits on the Domane won't they just compress all of the travel out of the IsoSpeed suspension?
This bike is unexpectedly sought after because it kills two desires..road and gravel. (38-40mm tire space)
All club riders I know run mudguards for winter so want a hi spec bike to fit full guards. This reason I use a caad13 for winter
To me, with supply chain issues and lack of opportunity for cyclists to test-ride comparably priced models/brands, turn much of these arguments mute. I'd side with your practical industry experience but find it difficult to translate into what I should buy.
"Taste and Try Before You Buy", is great advise but what is the opportunity in reality? Especially with comments like choose this model but change the tire width and pressure to get all the value this other model has to offer. If your not laying down coin for a lower cost entry bike then your risking a heck of a lot more on suggestions about how to squeeze a specific important personal requirement out of your purchase.
For my own purchase I've leaned more on my experience with the brand (Trek FX2) as I wanted a workout bike and it delivered as advertised. Now I'm looking for my first road bike (an n+1) with comfortable endurance riding being the focus, so end up needing to trust the advertising (scary indeed). A Gen4 SL5 is not cheep for most people, so I don't get a do over.
yea this is a problem I am dealing with too, I use to have tools and dealer help to allow consumers to do demos or setup with specialized tosetup events, now with inveotry so low, we sell alot of the products or dont have the excess like we use to to get these test bikes, back in the day we use to get excess bikes at demo pricing for consumers to try out... now we do not get this tool for consumers and also hurts dealers because it leaves consumers with a question mark and they think on things for a while (as they should)
endurance bikes are just gravel bikes with narrow tires and visa versa
agreed
It would be nice if you could find one for sale
yea I do not thikn the united states would see them for a couple months
I am looking at purchasing a new road bike and going with the Domane for comfort and ability to handle more rough roads. For a male, do you think the teal or black color? Like yourself I thought the teal looked sick and wife had my second guessing saying it was more something she would ride “in Nantucket with a bell on it” LOL
Very Good Insight, you are spot on!, This is how i break it down tho. comparison between road and gravel, for specialized tarmac is to crux and roubaix is to diverger, for trek. emonda is to boone (which they say its only for cx ??) domane is to checkpoint. crux is a straight answer to treks boone. same thing you mentioned race bike and endurance bike tarmac : roubaix for spec and emonda : domane for trek. more variations more products to sell! :)
and lets not forget: venge and madone as an "aero bike"
I just traded in my 2021 check point for a domane al5 2024 as I like to ride distance I'm not a racer but I wanted something comfortable and fast.
Marketing shift idea: gravel bike=adventure bike (go anywhere, bike pack or race gravel) Endurance bike=endurance bike (gravel, road, rain or shine)
I love the Domane and have had a bike in every prior generation. However my next bike will probably be something like an Emonda. I have a dedicated gravel bike in my Checkpoint. The ISO speed is great but it's a lot of weight for what it does versus going with a 28 mm tires tubeless setup. I also don't like having to get a RSL frame only to get the more aggressive but still comfortable geometry that's standard on the other bikes
i almost bought a domane in 2016 but ended up w an emonda and never regretted it.. if you can cover xx distance in comfort with an emonda, then it doesnt really matter how much more comfortable a domane is
I had my eye on a Foundry Thresher endurance bicycle. But for some reason it disappeared. Maybe you’re right. 🤔
writing is on the wall. paris roubaix has be won on a grand tour road bikes. if you need to ride a bike with 35mm + tires just get a spec crux or any comparable RACE gravel bike. btw the crux is also way lighter than the domane sl.
Yep. The pros switch from 25c to 28c tires and maybe use heavier bar tape. There's your endurance bike lol
agreed
yes sir!!!!!
Prices are ridiculous! It would be interesting to see an analysis how bike manufacturers arrive at the selling price, i.e., cost plus markup.
Chinese manufacturers, e.g., Elves are delivering frames into the UK for £1000 and they won’t be selling at a loss. Frame overall cost £500? Hambini recently reviewed the frame internally and externally and was very impressed. It just confirms my suspicion that bike buyers have been ripped off for years.
Surprisingly GCN said most people are on endurance bikes. Surprising not because they are more popular, but because GCN is calling out the bike industry for only pushing their TdF race bikes instead of what customers really buy
we have seen a dramatic decrease in sales for endurance bikes. these new super bikes are more then adequate for comfort with there massive tire clearance, if 4 cm headtube is the difference from a rider being able to a ride a bike long distance or not then that is a rider issue
You are comparing the photos from their website and yes they look familiar, but are they all the same size? Also, if you compare geometry charts, the difference is more apparent between Checkpoint, Domane and Emonda even though they have the same styling. Seems like wheelbase, stack and reach have enough of a difference to impact how each bike rides...What's your take on how each bike would ride based on the geometry difference assuming you have same size tires and wheels across all?
I show them the geos that trek is listed on the site, the headtube is taller on the domane by 4cm which is nice but that can also be mimicd on the emonda with a positive degree stem, just a little more upright
@@GCPerformance18 WTF a positive stem would look horrible. For a M size a race bike is usually 545mm in height and a endurance 570mm. Headset spacer cone is also taller sometimes.. That would make a lot to compensate
Ironically the Domane RSL is the most aggressive frameset Trek makes in terms of reach/stack and offset/trail.
Yo, facts. I looked up the geo numbers compared to the Emonda for shiggles and it's wild. They say it's supposed to be H1.5 like the others, but it's closer to the old H1 option. I guess calling it "H1.25" geo would've been too clunky, lol.
@@bebopman5 It’s like H1.01, lol.
Emonda, Domane were not very identical. Emonda moved the cockpit forward quite a lot. For a 59 year old chubbo, that might be a big comfort difference.
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Oh you mentioned it Xd
hahahahha literally office meme
I run My madone SLr tubeless and Ive had the domane, the madone feels super comfortable to me as is, don't see the need for the domane...still pretty looking though!
Yeah that's the thing about Trek: the Madone is so comfy that you do not really need an endurance bike if you have it already.
I mean the previous gen Madone. The latest one I don't know.
@@tonyg3091 i have the gen 6 and same, plenty comfortable!
I'm assuming the domane rides faster than the checkpoint due to the gearing difference?
Yes in theory it should be less resistance
Yes, you’re definitely hating on Trek. (You tend to be biased toward Specialized in your reviews) 1) in 2023, the Trek Domane was Trek’s #1 selling road bike by a lot. In fact, the Domane was #1 among all brands. #2 was the Specialized Tarmac. The Trek Emonda & Specialized Roubaix round out the top 4. I get brand loyalty. But as a seller, why hate on the best selling product?
It's for the middle of cycling bell curve.
They just rana pole on GCN and 62% prefer Endrurance bikes over aero ones, which seems to be counter to the manufactures offerings...
Great informative video 👍 good looking Bike 🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️
They are relevant as long as someone is buying them, and someone is buying them or they wouldn’t making them.
“Endurance bikes with the stem slammed” that’s how a bike was intended rather than a race bike with 40mm of spacers
I completely disagree with your argument about the Domane being irrelevant. I think there’s more of an argument for making the Emonda and madone one combined bike rather than eliminating the Domane.
the emonda and madone are the flagship bike being used in any mainstream race or crit race, its the bike chosen when they want the advantage for riding. the domane is heavier with the more isospeed and also swat box in the downtube. the bike is nice but I do not think it is needed, they coudl make an endurance stem fitted for a emonda and it could mimic the domane geo
@@GCPerformance18 I realize that for racing. But based on most sales, and the fact that the majority of buyers do not fit on all out race bikes, endurance geometries make sense for the majority of riders.
As much as the new bikes weigh, your going to need endurance just to ride them. I rode an SL 7 with Sram Force etap... it was a pig! Rode it 1 mile with a short 7% climb, was glad to get it back to the shop...heavy bike, but that $7400 dollar price tag will definitely lighten your wallet.
lol GC you can do the same for Specialized pictured bike they will look the same!!! why you hating on TREK so much? I believe the endurance platform of bikes is the best selling for all brands why is it irrelevant?
Am I the only one who thinks that the stem to bar transition and shape looks weird?
Dude don't include David Arthur as a legitimate opinion. It's a bad look
really? you guys dont trust him?!?!? but I like it I will not mention the name again lol
@@GCPerformance18 Yea man, we watch you because you give your honest opinion. It's likely why you will continue to increase viewership. DA rides the industry D and tow's the line. Never really says anything insightful.
Long legs + short torso = need endurance geometry.
true
Why is a slammed stem on an endurance bike counter intuitive? In my opionion its exactly why you buy an endurance bike. Its because they are higher upfront so you dont have to use 3cm of spacers like on race bikes. Even if i slam the stem i still have the height due to geometry. And lets say you want to sit really upright, you still have the option to put on 3cm of spacers, to make it look like a mountain bike.
90% of cyclists benefit more from endurance bike then race bikes. I'm my area almost everyone on a bike is non race bodies. Stop selling race bikes to the public they don't need them if they aren't racing.
we have seen a dramatic decrease in sales for endurance bikes. these new super bikes are more then adequate for comfort with there massive tire clearance, if 4 cm headtube is the difference from a rider being able to a ride a bike long distance or not then that is a rider issue
usually the rider I would sell the endurance bike when they would come in to the store they would ride th ebike for a couple a months and then come back and say they want something more aggressive looking, and if the really have some kind of injury or a massive need for an upright bike, then that is more of a fit thing with a positive degree stem to make the bike more upright
There’s so much more to with endurance bikes than just a tall head tube. Stack height can easily be adjusted so long as we don’t continue down the path of these ridiculous proprietary stems.
Tyre clearances,low bb height,long wheelbase and relaxed steering are more important. Features such as the Roubaix’s future shock make a huge difference.
It’s not binary as many believe…you can have a light,fast steed and have these features.
Checkpoint 2023 is going to be a Fatbike :)
I rode the checkpoint and domane and the checkpoint is way better in my opinion.
The Checkpoint geo looked a bit more aggressive than Domane.
But what is with the crazy low BBs ? Trade responsiveness for stack height ?
So it fils the gap between the climbing/normal bike and the gravel bike.
The gravel bike which closed the gap between the cyclocross bike and the normal Road bike...
The bicycle industry is going nuts
it is crazy
I don't know how a $12000 dollar bike is relevant to most people. Am I missing something ?
its not meant to be
Endurance bikes are relevant to majority of weekend warrior including the ones making the video. Some mamils are delusional thinking they can ride racy aggressive position when they dont have the capabilities of a pro riders. Its that simple. How many amateur can go long and low like pro riders? Fack ol right? Theres a reason they are not in the peloton. But delusional mamils likes to think they are riding at the big stages when they ride that race bike with beer belly 🤷♂️
The checkpoint is not as comfortable on the road as the domane.
I personaly don't see the use of the endurance bike, I rode the domane and it felt way to soft, like you felt the power just go down in flex.
If i wasn't 18 years old and raced, I would have a gravel bike with 2 wheelsets and i feel that the gravel bike replaces the endurance bike.
I feel that this domane is going in the gravel direction and don't really see how it adds something to the variety of the bikes trek offer.
that is the normal feel for my endurance bike riders that we sell to them, they ride it for a while and then come back in a couple months later and say they want something more aggressive or something more competitive
I saw this bike at my lbs and it is nice but heavy. The stem and cap looks very similar to the venge stem and cap.
It is still quite heavy tho
I've never read such crap. All you supposed pro's out there suggesting that endurance bikes might be ok for amateurs! Well aren't you all just so marvellous!
The best!
Oh that sl5 is bianchi's color. They should not use that in my opinion. Good video. Thx for posting.
Trek calls it seafoam green
"Endurance" bikes are for old dudes who have limited mobility and ride for 90 minutes.
You are the embodiement of what's wrong with cycling these days.
I will take one for free.
I feel like there useless …with the new bikes coming out with there overall comfort level being superior then previous models
Trek tries too hard
Yeah but so do other big brands, especially Specialized. Their marketing departments are huge and they sound so trendy and full of themselves.
In the bicycle world Specialized proved that big advertising budgets sell product 40 years ago. I'd like to know what their Ad budget is vs RnD budget. Anyone comment?
specialized product does sell the easiest, they release shoes and helmets and they sell by themselves, everyone knows about it