Point of the matter is EA and Konami is money hungry, Ubisoft is overly ambitious, Capcom is a good company has the share holders pointing a gun to their heads, but Activision is the worst of them all... lazy corner cutters who refuse to actually debug their games and force devs to release a game a year even if it requires hiring cheap labour in 3rd world counties. A.K.A all they care about is getting a product released
Good thing Thrall and Grom had the sense of style to shave before going up against Mannoroth. No threat of eternal demonic subjugation is more important than looking exactly like they did 18 years ago. Mannoroth too sold his soul all over again to get something that almost resembles a chin. Kudos.
Yeah, always found it weird how the characters looked a bit different in their cinematics compared to the in-game design. I think it's got to do with processing power, since it would've been in main focus of the viewer (on their face), so they had to make it look good and it would've meant extra time for rendering. Just tricks to cut down the deadline.
@@MrEmmanuel217 No it has to do with Reforged being incomplete. The cutscene is exactly the same was it was 18 years ago, with the exception of some voice acting alteration, like Thrall's scream after Grom died, while the gameplay graphics were updated to mirror how Thrall and Grom looks according to World of Warcraft. Blizz screwed up Reforged.
Whats even better is how the units just pose around while in the air. It's like they are just waiting for this cyclone to end so they can go back to their business.
Only thing i was looking forward to this game is for improved cinematics and they just used the ones from 2002 wow blizzard. I mean i love them so much and they look great for their time but you can't use old audio and cinematics and just update models and call this reforged i am so disappointed.
@@asortiksincap8301 they didnt make this for 18yrs. They made this around 2018 with a decent budget and lost all of it across 2019 due to budget cuts and we got what they basically had in 2018, just the improved models
Man when i played this years ago and when the infernals started raining it literally felt like an actual serious matter but here it just seems so *chill*
Wow how is it the classic version of inferno scene manage to be more intense? Like seriously in classic version there were like 10 inferno raining down. It was awesome and scary as a player. How do you fuck that up so hard?
I think the models were created first, when they still planned to make it into a good game Then they decided that they won't get enought money from it and decided to make it an as cheap as possible way
@@tom3266 because they didn't change the cinematics. That's why the cinematics are still good. Cus the crappy malaysian company kept its paws off of it.
I was expecting them to update Grom's features to match them from WoD. Obviously all they changed was Thrall's roar prior to tossing the Doomhammer. And that thing looked so huge in the remastered game, bigger than I've ever seen it except in the movie.
hmm hmm... i appreciate grom's transformation, but Thrall seems like he lost the ability to move his mouth muscles during several of the scenes and speech lines... Cramps maybe?
The animated scene with Mannoroth, Grom and Thrall is PEAK WC3. Almost brings a tear to my eye every single time. I don't like the blizzard of today, but the blizzard of yesteryear will always have legendary status.
Don’t forget Thralls last scream, they ruined that too, had a lot more sad emotion and anguish in the original , in this one it seemed more out of fury and anger.
I watched this and compared it to the one from 2003 and my suspicions ( i butchered that word ) seem to be true. The scream was so sad that it stickwith me back when i was a kid so i noticed it the first time i heard the reforged one
In the old days when the shaman and priests were removing the fel blood from his veins he kneels when apologizing to Thrall. In the remastered version he just stood there.
Refored:Can I copy your home work? Original: sure just change some words so that I'll look different. Reforged:nah lemmie just get yours //submitted the original's work.
I always knew they fought Mannoroth for cinematic lightness in between two. Because at that point they COULD pick up a mini army, add Jaina and Cairne to kick the living shit out of Mannoroth but hey, that'll be too many in the cinematic party.
Just watched this. The sound quality is so weird.... Also the lip sync is terrible too, The model look nice but Thrall look so strange. He look much better in Heroes Of the Storm..... The terrain texture look good though
KingTater That wasn’t my intention, orcs and Tauren are not men. Im only saying Jaina didn’t know what choice of words to use which only enhances her character and the scene although I’m sure they both took the word as a complement.
Grom: a complete asshole for most of his life that lead his people to damnation and savagery, even before drinking the blood the first time, and does it again. Hell, it probably even tasted the same. Does one good thing in his life, that gets him killed. Legendary Hero.
I mean, come on... Bugs and glitches during gameplay is a little bit more dignified as it's something you could miss from testing phase (with limitless possibility on what to do in it) but cutscene?? Really???
You know it's good writing when you realize Mannoroth's futile statement was: "within your heart, you know, we are one and the same." And Grom just fucking murders him. So good.
Ever wondered why we see orcs turning red in WarCraft III, only to see then turn dark gray with the Fel glowing within them in WoW: WoD? And this is them drinking the same creature's blood.
Mannoroth - pit lord? Frog lord now i guess.... Fans.... We see clearly now. I'm sorry.... Iam so sorry. To hell with your apologies! Right now We need you to give us our money back!
10:54 Even in that part, the original was better. It should have been “...and the boy...” instead of “The boy...” It ruins the flow of the whole scene. That entire scene was an interaction... a dialogue. It was an epilogue narrated by Mannoroth himself as he thought he was closing the books on the current Orc leadership and reconfiguring his mastery over their entire tribe once again.
they did a good job with the models, but i wish the faces were more expressive in the portraits. The old cutscenes with the old portraits felt much more vibrant and alive when speaking.
Thrall's and Jaina's exchange at the start of Orc08 is so damn humane. And so typical of two predujiced people coming to talks with one another. I love old Blizzard. They had heart.
![Grom Hellscream's Death Cinematic - All Orc Campaign Cutscenes [Warcraft 3: Remastered]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F9nZPh9omlc/mqdefault.jpg)
When I said as a child "graphics can't get better then this!"
I wasn't being serious.
The fact that COD used the quake 3 engine despite being on Quake 6 by Ghosts till infinite Warfare wants to know your location
Point of the matter is EA and Konami is money hungry, Ubisoft is overly ambitious, Capcom is a good company has the share holders pointing a gun to their heads, but Activision is the worst of them all... lazy corner cutters who refuse to actually debug their games and force devs to release a game a year even if it requires hiring cheap labour in 3rd world counties. A.K.A all they care about is getting a product released
It honestly feels like something from early to mid 2000’s maybe a little later.
BRUH OMFG WHEN I FIRST PLAYED HALO 1 I WAS LIKE GRAPHICS WILL NEVER LOOK BETTER THEN THIS
I don't remember leaving this comment... oh I didn't
6:57 The skies are burning. *skybox crashes* :)
They've burnt out, just before the demon's blood
F O R E S H A D O W I N G
They've absorbed the sun for a moment
7:03 The storm is so bad, the whole sky went pitch black!
LMAO
😂
damn those are some thicc storm clouds
It was like that, too, back in the original. If you may recall.
No they just summoned shenron
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
:(
brah
@gdpm they are the original cut-scenes, no updates, not a thing touched. Blizzard cheated its consumers, with this "reforged" version.
Thats why i asked for a refund tbh.
When i found out they were going in the cheap direction :(
@gdpm its litterally the same , qith less grainy effects
I guess that Thrall shaved before he went to face Mannoroth lol
Yeah... they drew a little too much inspiration from WoW :) His beard also grows immediately after he dreams of Medivh
Even in the original he still had a beard
@@thegermanempire489 Oooo good catch. So the criticism is moot. O.o
@@tom3266 thrall also took off his cool looking armor for the fight, probably for added mobility
@@thegermanempire489 not a full chetnik beard, just a soul patch
They didn't even bother make Thrall's portrait talk during most of these cutscenes.
also why does he have beard :)
@@xLetalis I'm fine with minor stylistic changes tbh, it's the huge amount of bugs that bothers me the most.
@@xLetalis Beard is for BadAss :p
Good thing Thrall and Grom had the sense of style to shave before going up against Mannoroth. No threat of eternal demonic subjugation is more important than looking exactly like they did 18 years ago. Mannoroth too sold his soul all over again to get something that almost resembles a chin. Kudos.
Yeah, always found it weird how the characters looked a bit different in their cinematics compared to the in-game design.
I think it's got to do with processing power, since it would've been in main focus of the viewer (on their face), so they had to make it look good and it would've meant extra time for rendering. Just tricks to cut down the deadline.
@@MrEmmanuel217 No it has to do with Reforged being incomplete. The cutscene is exactly the same was it was 18 years ago, with the exception of some voice acting alteration, like Thrall's scream after Grom died, while the gameplay graphics were updated to mirror how Thrall and Grom looks according to World of Warcraft.
Blizz screwed up Reforged.
2:22 BRUH THAT'S THE WEAKEST LOOKING CYCLONE I'VE EVER SEEN
Whats even better is how the units just pose around while in the air. It's like they are just waiting for this cyclone to end so they can go back to their business.
@@hiphop4eva374 old one was better
@@hiphop4eva374 It's like they are on presentation, slowly spinning
Looks like a fun ride at disney world.
It's like a spinning display tray in a shop or something
Putting aside all the sh*t happening around Warcraft 3: Reforged, but this was Blizzard's storytelling at its prime.
Yeah, the writing is as terrible as it was back then despite that, the world though is awesome.
yes
Can’t have story if your game crashes continuously lmao
@@CubeParrot1 terrible my ass
@Arick A4 you can have a good world building/lore but a terrible story. I liked WC3 story tho
I love that you add the subtitle in every cutscenes, without it, I can hardly understand what they're saying, thanks. :D
my pleasure
Only thing i was looking forward to this game is for improved cinematics and they just used the ones from 2002 wow blizzard. I mean i love them so much and they look great for their time but you can't use old audio and cinematics and just update models and call this reforged i am so disappointed.
many people were
They used new audio and it is worse than the original
@@nguyentran7068 wow
yea because blizzard is no more. its activition!
say good bye to blizzard and welcome activision & tencent
3:48 3:49 and it was meeting the Oracle that Thrall finally became a full fledged Ventriloquist. No lips needed to be moved to utter his words
well said ;]
7:03
Jaina: thrall! The skies are burning!
Thrall **Blows them out**
Hahahahahaha... suddenly there is nothing in the sky literally nothing
Thrall "Someone sat on the remote~!!"
Pfffffft XD
I could have waited half a year for them to really finish this Reforged...
me too ;[
They would never finish this properly, they never intended to. "When it's done" has been dead for many years now.
They had 18 years to finish it 18 fucken years and this is what we got first diablo immortal now this
Our beloved blizzard is dead
At the rate they developed this game since the blizzcon reveal I don't think half a year would be enough
@@asortiksincap8301 they didnt make this for 18yrs. They made this around 2018 with a decent budget and lost all of it across 2019 due to budget cuts and we got what they basically had in 2018, just the improved models
Metzen is such an epic voice actor, he makes it look effortless.
2:05 Man those cyclones are painful to look at.....
7:27 They way the audio sounds Its obvious they added “Hellscream” to change What Thrall used to say, which is “Grom”. Kinda slobby audio edit though
lol the quality of this whole thing is so poor lmao, it deserves its rating
They also removed every mention of the name "Furion"
"Hellscreammmmmmmmmmmyou've got to come with me!"
Man when i played this years ago and when the infernals started raining it literally felt like an actual serious matter but here it just seems so *chill*
Witch Doctor: *refuse to let them drink the fountain*
Also Witch Doctor: *cheer them after they drink it*
Imagine fel trolls though
Don’t forget they all get locked up in cages by the orcs afterwards
7:20 Thrall is using telepathy to communicate with others )
yes :D That or his brothers were lost in the black storm!
Well he is blessed by the spirits
He's Tassadar in disguise.
Wow how is it the classic version of inferno scene manage to be more intense? Like seriously in classic version there were like 10 inferno raining down. It was awesome and scary as a player. How do you fuck that up so hard?
It's so painful! They didn't even redo the Cinematics.
I cant even... i wonder what your thoughts are because this seems to me like no effort were put in except the models
I'll make a review soon-ish
Full price game... for a model update...
What a ripoff.
no effort was put into it at ALL
I think the models were created first, when they still planned to make it into a good game
Then they decided that they won't get enought money from it and decided to make it an as cheap as possible way
Even the most portraits look terrible.
" I have freed myself" moment is how I felt quitting walmart for an IT job today.
This mission was bugged for me, for me grom just stood there AFK af.
Wdym
7:00 "Thrall, the skyes are burning!" *skybox goes completely black* "Yes Jaina, that is what the orcs call a small indie company."
Not a natural storm indeed!
Why monnoroth looks like a frog and not demonic
a good question
Yeah. I can't believe how bad his portrait is.
Yeah, meanwhile the cinematic Mannoroth looks like he could go toe to toe with most other demon lords and kick their ass
Because this is warcraft refrogged. Change portraits and sounds for much worse - They must have talent for it!
@@tom3266 because they didn't change the cinematics. That's why the cinematics are still good. Cus the crappy malaysian company kept its paws off of it.
same cut scene as the old warcraft 3 .. gg :)
I was expecting them to update Grom's features to match them from WoD. Obviously all they changed was Thrall's roar prior to tossing the Doomhammer.
And that thing looked so huge in the remastered game, bigger than I've ever seen it except in the movie.
Game Thrall has a beard, CGI is beardless wth
Just bad voices...
Seriously, everything in the cinematic is kept the same, except ruining thralls epic roar before he struck the ground with his hammer?
And his roar in the very end
It's like every change they made, made the game worse
I cant believe they couldnt redo even the cgi cut scenes
I still can't believe they spent a year working on Reforged and gave us this :(
Jaina: *sees Thrall and Cairne*
Cairne: *Is a Tauren*
Jaina: Orcs!
WHY did they change how Thrall calls Grom???? In the original game he calls him "Grom" and in here they add a shitty "HELLSCREAM" cut.
no idea
.... Because that's his name
@@FiftyStates5 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO really? You replied to an almost 2 years old comment to let me know that? Thank you so much! I had no idea!!!
Thrall, the master of speaking the word without open his mouth
Thrall is secretly Professor X
**presses fingers to temple** _"Come my X-Orcs"_
18 years ago, i cried when Grommash died next to Thrall with those last words.
Today, I still cried. Dam...
it is like you are disappointed at your child but you love them no matter what this was my childhood
2:37 did mannoroth just said yay
uwu
Bruh 🤣🤣
The biggest thing I noticed after playing through the Orc Campaign in Reforged is that they changed Thrall’s bellow at the end of the cinematic.
Grom:- Casually walks up to a gigantic flamy demon..
Also Grom:- *Mannaroth...it can't be...*
Never throw your weapon unless you got a second one
His back-up plan was to do to Mannoroth what he did to Garrosh. Just have the elements win the fight for him. Haha
hmm hmm... i appreciate grom's transformation, but Thrall seems like he lost the ability to move his mouth muscles during several of the scenes and speech lines... Cramps maybe?
I love the wow lore , it’s just too perfect . Every race every hero has a purpose , a flaw let alone are relatable.
dissapointing that blizzard only changed one cgi cutscene
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
@@SrChr778 or in this case. If it ain't broke. Break it.
damn thrall looks so gooood the armor the CGI perfect far better than the old version
The roar became shorter and didn't have the same feeling as the old one
This literally looks near exactly the same as the original 20 years ago lmfaooo
My god they really made Thrall's two roars in the Cinematic sound very cheesy as hell.
yeah I don't know why they changed them
OH MY GOD THE OBVIOUS INSERTION OF "HELLSCREAM" at 7:28 on top of the original voice-over.
The animated scene with Mannoroth, Grom and Thrall is PEAK WC3. Almost brings a tear to my eye every single time. I don't like the blizzard of today, but the blizzard of yesteryear will always have legendary status.
Don’t forget Thralls last scream, they ruined that too, had a lot more sad emotion and anguish in the original , in this one it seemed more out of fury and anger.
I watched this and compared it to the one from 2003 and my suspicions ( i butchered that word ) seem to be true. The scream was so sad that it stickwith me back when i was a kid so i noticed it the first time i heard the reforged one
How did there story telling go from this, which brought me to tears when I was a kid, to what we have now with WoW... how far they have fallen..
0:41 when grom bends down to drink from the fountain, he doesnt even touch the water in the original it looked like he touched it wtf
In the old days when the shaman and priests were removing the fel blood from his veins he kneels when apologizing to Thrall. In the remastered version he just stood there.
@@Blondie42 they simply designed new models without bothering to give them animations
This was legit better pre-reforge.
for such a hyped up character, manaroths dies so easily everytime he shows up.
6:59 "Thrall the skies are burning! And now the skies are gone!"
This really makes me question Thralls leadership in giving the easily corruptible guy's hotheaded son the reins as warchief.
For some reason they changed Thrall's wailing roar at the end and now it sounds like he's having his worst constipation
Thrall had a bread in gameplay and in the cinematic he had no beard excellent work Blizzard
It's weird going from the in game graphics to the old cut scene. The old designs and stilted animations stand out a lot
7:27 that "Hellscream" sounds like it was edited for a YTP, not for an official launch
yes
11:15 now this is how the Culling blade was invented!
At least they didn’t try and reforge the cinematic!
0:17 just like arthas said about frostmourne and he took it lol
3:39 "of course I will defend myself but first I have to have a sip of that delicious Château Haut-Brion"
RIP Grommash. The real Hellscream!
That cut scene gets me everytime man
Jaina:the skies are burning
The sky suddenly turns into the void
The Warsong Clan lost their greatest leader, and now his son soon becomes the new chieftain.
Refored:Can I copy your home work?
Original: sure just change some words so that I'll look different.
Reforged:nah lemmie just get yours //submitted the original's work.
I always knew they fought Mannoroth for cinematic lightness in between two.
Because at that point they COULD pick up a mini army, add Jaina and Cairne to kick the living shit out of Mannoroth but hey, that'll be too many in the cinematic party.
Just watched this. The sound quality is so weird.... Also the lip sync is terrible too, The model look nice but Thrall look so strange. He look much better in Heroes Of the Storm..... The terrain texture look good though
Yes, audio quality and also normalization is all over the place, music is way too loud sometimes compared to the voice
Jaina and Thrall should be together...what a great story
Yeah, love story
Shrek and Fiona, no shit
“Good luck... uhmm... gentleman” lol gentlefolk would have been a better choice of words.
KingTater That wasn’t my intention, orcs and Tauren are not men. Im only saying Jaina didn’t know what choice of words to use which only enhances her character and the scene although I’m sure they both took the word as a complement.
Does anyone know the title of the song that starts at 12:50?
Wait... The end of the Orc campaign cinematic is still the same..????
all cinematics except for the intro are the same
Man blizz cant make up their mind on the size of doomhammer huh? It went from carpenter mallet to Sledgehammer back to mallet again lolol
No old friend
You freed us all
...
Grom: a complete asshole for most of his life that lead his people to damnation and savagery, even before drinking the blood the first time, and does it again. Hell, it probably even tasted the same.
Does one good thing in his life, that gets him killed.
Legendary Hero.
The orcs on tornado from 1:45 xDDDD I don't even...
:(
When i die i want to go at least half as good as Grom
I mean, come on... Bugs and glitches during gameplay is a little bit more dignified as it's something you could miss from testing phase (with limitless possibility on what to do in it) but cutscene?? Really???
You know it's good writing when you realize Mannoroth's futile statement was: "within your heart, you know, we are one and the same." And Grom just fucking murders him. So good.
Mannoroth's portrait is clearly incomplete. The artist was supposed to add fire but he went for Friday prayers and forgot about it.
Ever wondered why we see orcs turning red in WarCraft III, only to see then turn dark gray with the Fel glowing within them in WoW: WoD? And this is them drinking the same creature's blood.
0:40 grommash be like: mmm dirt
To be honest what is the difference between reforged and Age of empires 2 Definitive edition compared to their older versions?
Halo 2 Remaster: fully redone cutscenes in Blur CGI
Warcraft 3 rerelease: brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
Thrall was so scared that his beard fell off!
I love the graphics
Mannoroth - pit lord? Frog lord now i guess.... Fans.... We see clearly now. I'm sorry.... Iam so sorry. To hell with your apologies! Right now We need you to give us our money back!
RIP Grom Hellscream
it's just Hellscream now
10:54
Even in that part, the original was better.
It should have been “...and the boy...” instead of “The boy...”
It ruins the flow of the whole scene.
That entire scene was an interaction... a dialogue.
It was an epilogue narrated by Mannoroth himself as he thought he was closing the books on the current Orc leadership and reconfiguring his mastery over their entire tribe once again.
*Warlords of Draenor laughts in cinematic*
This was not our destiny but I guess time's changed
10:02 The new roar sounds weak i prefer the original
If there is one thing blizzard is consistent about, is their inconsistency with thrall's hairline
they did a good job with the models, but i wish the faces were more expressive in the portraits. The old cutscenes with the old portraits felt much more vibrant and alive when speaking.
Aren't they using the heroes of the storm models?
a good question, those would've worked splendidly
Thrall's and Jaina's exchange at the start of Orc08 is so damn humane. And so typical of two predujiced people coming to talks with one another. I love old Blizzard. They had heart.
Mommy, why does Manneroth look like the butt judge from The Wall?