IS LATINIDAD ANTI-BLACK? | STRANGER FRUIT | S1E14
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2023
- Latines are a diverse group of people, with different cultural and linguistic backgrounds. But Anti-Blackness, hiding in plain sight, continues to affect many members of the diaspora. Despite the fact that Latines come in all shades and skin tones, there is a troubling pattern of discrimination and marginalization against Black Latines. Today, our panelists are tackling this important topic head-on, and discussing the ways in which anti-Blackness impacts their lives and the Latino community as a whole. Constanza Eliana dives into some uncomfortable truths with our panel and explore ways to not only acknowledge the existence but also combat anti-Blackness within Latinidad.
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Featuring: Jose Richard Aviles (@soynalgona), Michelle Morales (@mimorales09), Daisy Romero (@elcholoskid)
Donovan Thompson: EP, Host
Constanza Eliana Chinea: Producer, Co-Host
Danhy Clermont - Producer
William Stallings: Executive Producer
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I had a very dark skinned latino relative (I’m latina and African American/Black American) say an old hispanic lady called her the N word. Her response to the lady, in Spanish, was, “first of all I’m not a n***er. I’m PR, not Black.” I wouldn’t have been offended if she said she’s not a N***er, because she’s not, none of us are. Instead, she separated herself from her very very evident blackness and reaffirmed this woman’s racist idiology towards Black people by not admonishing her.
Yes! You get it!!
Evident of blackness? Yeaa. Latina and african american. Let me guess ur dad is blk american n ur mom is latina. Woww not surprising
@@JenJHayden that blks from latin america. Dont want to be lump with blk americans
Me too, half mixed race Puerto Rican and Black American. My mother’s siblings look more White and my mom look indigenous. My cousin from PR whom I had never met called me a ni**€r after learning that in addition to being Black I’m not fluent in Spanish. I actually identify as Black as I grew up with my father’s family.
@@imjustsaying364 yeaa. Because u are american. And ur dad is blk american. Im sorry but u cant speak spanish n dont know the culture. Im sorry latin american men wont accept u. Blk latino men. Alot of black guys in latin america. Yet ur mom got with american one? Yeaa.
This is why afro latino men they tend to their own women.
All of these people are light skin...they need to have more melaninated people in this conversation
Many Latinos are so entrenched in Latinidad, yet refuse to acknowledge race. Yet there would be no Latino culture without the convergence of three races of people. They will say that race is just a social construct but so is the term Latino. My mother is Louisiana Creole and my father Cuban/Puerto Rican. My mother is very light skin with hazel eyes and straight hair. My dad is dark brown with tightly curled hair. People assume that it is my mother who is Latino. My paternal relatives upon meeting my mom thought that she was the most beautiful woman assuming her to be a Latina, when they found out that she was Black they had the nerve to look down upon her! So this goes deeper than colorism. There is an overall disdain for anyone with or claiming heritage from Africa.
I would have loved to hear that perspective in this convo. Because ethnocentrism is very common, but there’s never any accountability for it.
I tried of people saying Latinos are racist. If that was really true, you wouldn't have half the Latino population being mixed.
yes, it's true because dark skinned is representation of being poor throughout all societies ... and the lighter you are means your more privileged or rich... it's been promoted all throughout the colonization process. Even in China is you're darker hue you are looked down upon and are ugly... it's disgusting but this is what eurocentrism that created this disgusting outlook in societies. Before colonization and before racism people were not looked down upon by their skin tone but by their nation or wether they were rich or poor... not by color.
We must understand that ws must make black people to hate being black people. Colorism is just one of the many weapons that ws use to divide and conquer. All of the darker people of this earth have been force to hate being black or dark. Most of our so called Hispanic and Latino family have been tricked to hate themselves and anything black. A wise man called both the black man and the brown man here in north America the so called negro. One has a English name and mindset.While the other has a European Spanish name and mindset. Both have that i want nearness to ws power and social acceptance.
Race isn't a Latino thing. That's a black and white, American thing. We're all about ethnicity
I’d love to hear more from actual Afro-Latinos from Latin countries, the Carribean (the islands if I got the name wrong) and also Afro-Latinos in America. Also have them lead the conversation.
Please just dark skinned, not mixed and/or light skinned and medium skinned folks.
I hear too much from very light and white Latinos who talk about what they see - not experience.
As a Black American it’s kind of hard to understand how light skinned and white Latinos say they’re brown when they’re literally NOT “brown” or even dark.
I know it might be difficult to network to find these panelists but in the future it would be great to hear from them collectively and separately.
But this is a growing channel so I’m here for the journey and even this conversation.
I would like to know why you don’t believe that Michelle is not Afro Latina? And why you believe that her experience is invalid to the black experience? Am I triggered, yes because I am her exact mix and in Guatemala, I literally had kids say “no juegen con la negrita” aka don’t play with the little black girl. So I’m unsure why you don’t believe it’s the same. The topic here is not colorism, it’s Afro latinidad
You must be AA. Always on the divisive tip. Black is black to a racist. You need to acknowledge your dark skin bias against lighter black folks
Well “dark-skinned” is a relative term. You’re dark depending on what you’re being compared to. In their culture, the range of complexions and the qualifier for being dark is different. We can’t measure their culture from a Black American lens.
I agree that Afro Latinos should lead the conversation because the vast majority was not about anti-blackness until Michelle started talking.
Karisha Johnson
I totally agree with you 💯
The unambiguous Afro-Latino, who doesn't switch to being mulatto after the show is over.
I'll save you the 38 minute watch: YES.
LOL. No surprises there.
😂😂😂😂
I was about to say, we ain’t gotta watch this whole thing to get this answer.
Exactly
I'm not surprised. Everyone hates us. It's us against the world. Lol
Just some facts:
1. Many Latin countries didnt allow black immigrants but were welcoming Nazis with OPEN ARMS for them to escape their consequences. In fact many were happy to welcome Germans because they imagined blondes, light skin, light eyes etc and believed that welcoming people like that would help lighten their populations. Of course white people were already in Latin countries however being from southern/iberian europe meant they usually had dark hair, olive to tanned skin and dark eyes etc.
2. In BR, at least for my grandparents, there was a racial cleansing era. Meaning, their family would literally pressure them or try to persuade them into ONLY choosing white or light mixed race partners in order to LIGHTEN/WHITEN their family tree aka "cleanse" it.
3. What i have noticed is that Afro Latino and black is not necessarily the same. Somebody can identify as Afro latino but be mixed race or still mostly non black why? Because some latinos want to acknowledge their african heritage no matter the amount so they will identify as Afro Latino. Here is the issue though, in Brazil if you are afro latino and look or are generationally mixed many of the "colorblind" people would use them as an example to say Black Brazilians dont have issues or that racism or "race" does not exist in the country.
4. In BR we have a holiday were people would darken their skin and wear afros, we also have many names for women who look like that. Point is, that many darkskin brazilians are conditioned to not find that kind of stuff offensive however if that was done in the USA there would be a lot of outrage. Just an example to say that Racism/Colorism exists but its just so normalized to the point that many darkskin black people dont even see it as an issue.
5. In general Latinos in the US only acknowledge race when it comes to identifying as non white (even if they are white), yet the moment they return to latin america, whether its for holiday or to live, the personality completely changes. Some identify as white in their home countries but simply not in the US and they ignore the mistreatment of natives, black people or unambiguous mixed race people.
I love, agree and appreciate your comments.
Especially #3 and#5.
Thank you for speaking truth to power
I love your response. So many educated and aware people are in the comments section. I appreciate this.💌
Thank you for this ❤
Anybody who hit somebody because their skin is a dumbest people out
So, about (4), do you think it's wrong a white person disguises as an afro? I don't think it's an issue, maybe it's the way brazilians acknowledge the importance of black people for their nation. In the States it's an issue because it's a very racist society.
I live in Chicago and it is a MESS here. I am a Black American and I have felt racism from the Latine community. The crazy thing is that I went to HS school with Latine people and felt so loved. Race wasn’t an issue with us. Post HS and being in the “real world” it completely different. I have been trying to figure out how to respond to anti-blackness, so Thank you for this conversation.
And we Latinos feel racism and prejudice against the blacks for years. Guess we must do better as a whole
They are some of the most racist MF's especially if you work with them and they are in a leadership role.
Gurrrl that post high school life in the “real world” will REALLY f*ck you up! I went to a VERRYY multicultural school district from middle school to high school and we LITERALLY made our state newspaper praising us at that particular time as THEE MOST diverse school district in my state! And our teachers came to us with the newspaper so excited and telling us almost every period that we were the most diverse in the state. And we would just look at each other like, “Uuh ok!?” But that’s because most of us were raised in that school district and didn’t know the difference of how a segregated school system was. So baby when I went to college it was a CULTURE SHOCK cause it was the first time in an educational space the I CLEARLY saw racial divides.
Why is the host speaking for Jamaican culture and assuming there are no color issues in the country? Cringe. This convo could’ve benefitted from Afro Panamanians, Cubans, and Haitians.
Excellent Observation 💯
Honestly I guess this conversation group wasn't comfortable with actual unambiguous Black Afro-Latinos
Haitians don’t consider themselves Latino so why would they be in this convo
Haitians are not latino 😂 seems only Americans do not know this. But try and make it a thing.
@@timnahplayasuna8268 Neither are Jamaicans, and yet, the host brought them up. Don't act as if Haitian couldn't contribute to this conversation. Their neighbors have a very complicated and ugly relationship with Blackness.
@@timnahplayasuna8268I’ve never heard of any American or Black American refer to Haitians as Latino, however, I’m pretty sure that they experience racism/colorism, especially the ones who live in DR or other Hispanic countries. So no, we Americans are not trying to “make it a thing”.
I love Stranger Fruit and all its content and loved this conversation! However, I felt like there was a huge opportunity missed by not including dark(er)-skin physically black presenting latin people. While I loved the panel and some of their experiences are very similar to mine, being Afro-Latina myself, one of the main differences in how we’re perceived and treated by Latinidad is unfortunately, skin color. A topic that I would like to hear is how colorism affects how you’re seen/treated within Latinidad or how Afro-Latinos are seen/treated within the African diaspora. Being a dark skin Latina, I never have to prove my blackness, while someone of a lighter shade may have had to. As a dark skin Latina, I always get “quizzed” on my Spanish, while someone who is more “Latinidad acceptable”, may have been given more grace or is never questioned. Just examples. Love this channel!! Please let me know how I can continue to show my support!!! ❤🇯🇲🇩🇴
Yes I agree, I left a comment in hopes they will have a part two with people who are darker skinned and in between, we see that a lot in NY with Cubans, DR, and PR people. I also would like to see Haiti in the conversation as well. Nonetheless love and appreciated the episode
This is what I’m waiting for 💯
I agree! The segment was enriching, but I do hope to see it expanded in the way you described ❤
Im Afro Latino. ALL the black people in my family are latino and my family is heavily mixed with biracials, black people and white people. I think what makes racism in the Latin world so bad is that we dont know or learn our history properly. When we are in the US or Europe we always say or act as if race isnt a topic in our countries yet. In the US Latinos (non black latinos) constantly talk about the US having soooooooooo many race issues, they talk about "racism" against white latinos, they talk about xenophobia they talk about north american history but were is this knowledge when it comes to our own history? North America literally has the same history as south america, central america and latino islands when it comes to europeans, slavery, racism etc...the difference is (regardless of what people think of the US) the US has recognized its mistakes, its racism, slavery, colonialism however the Latin world has not instead most of us just pretend we never had those issues in our countries and that we are all colorblind and we are all the same lmao yet the first image in their head whe it comes to being latino is a white latino or the racially ambiguous mixed race latino (typically mostly white + native).
Amen to that!
When I think of Latino I think of a christian white Central/South American with fully white parents(of spanish&european descendants) who speak spanish
@@Paris-ff9hi
Think Again‼️
@@Paris-ff9hiNo, the truth is that not all Latin American countries are the same. Cuba, Colombia, Brazil, Venezuela (for example) are more diverse and have more mixed ppl and heritages. Others like Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador have a majority of Indigenous or "mestizo" ppl and a very few minority of Blk and Wyte ppl. USA and Europe are used to think about Latin America as a monolith culture and ethnicity but in reality each country is different although sharing the same language (except Brazil that speaks Portuguese). A opposite example is Argentina, where you see almost only WP and some Indigenous (usually at the bottom of the society) and very few Black people who are usually from other Latin countries. Racial issues are not that simple and homogeneous in Latin America as the world thinks
This was great, I would love to see a part 2 with more discussion from people with DR, PR, Cubans, Haitian and Jamaican backgrounds, especially living in NY, that would be a great contrast to add to this topic. Much love to all the guests on the show and sharing your experience with us all 💛
What’s hitting hard for me is the realization that the experience and pain the last sister spoke about speaks to the entirety of the African American experience. There was no escape valve (I use the term escape loosely because nobody is spared) into Latino or other identities. African American culture is born of the fight for full humanity that is intimately intertwined with Blackness. This young lady’s pain is obviously the result of trauma. Just think about an entire people dealing with that for hundreds of years! Yet African Americans are still here and a strong people. That is a profound testimony to that community’s resilience, genius and strength. Not better than any other community but definitely not less than.
He was dropping gems there about intersectionality of race and sexuality. His mother could reconcile with him dating a white man than dating a dark skin black woman. The hate runs deep.
Michelle, thank you for being vulnerable. I know how hard that is. We should connect! I am also a GuateMaican in the US- I don’t know anyone else except for my brother with this mix.
Yes. Someone "be available" for her, she is as real as they come. Felt every word she said.
It also translates into what opportunities parents work to make available to a child. My light-skinned sister got dance classes, modeling school, public speaking classes, and other paid activities that were not offered to the rest of us. My parents felt that her light skin was going to make opportunities available to her in life that she had to be prepared for. They didn't think in those terms for us. We just needed a decent education, we weren't going to have use for the extras. They were preparing her to be white
Oh wow….😢
Damn
I'm so sorry that your parents had that attitude.
@@kmross73 This is a common attitude, I see it in the Latin community all the time. So much so that we don't even notice it, or notice when we are doing it.
Jose and Michele need a 3-hour studio time where they formulate the questions, they formulate the issues, and they analyze on packet and verbalized good deeper meaning. Everyone on the panel was excellent, but Jose and Michelle spoke of things that I never spoken or analyzed before. thankyou to all panelists it was great.
They were spectacular!
I'm Black Honduran, and by the time I was a teenager I had completely disavowed being Latina because of the rampant colorism + racism that I experienced from the communities I was a part of. Today, most people don't even know that I'm Honduran and I embrace myself as a Black person and tell people I'm just Black American. It's a bit sad because as a kid I was very interested in taking pride in being Latina and perfecting my Spanish etc., but seeing how I was treated and how my mom was treated (she's even darker than me and was treated despicably for it) I distanced myself. But honestly, I'm glad that I did because I was embraced fully in the Black community and grew up with so much Black pride. My heart breaks for Michelle. I want to cry with her. I love being black, but I definitely have some things to unpack about being latina
I don't understand why some people say "I'm not black I'm dominican or such and such" Black refers to you're appearance for the most part and the way society treats you , you can be black and american black and african black and european you can be black and from wherever you like. Black isn't just african american what is this nonesense
A dominican doesn't have to be black(african). He can be indigenous,white or a mix of it. The wast majority is mixed indigenous-white. But there are also fully white dominicans probably
@@Paris-ff9hi It's funny how you say "A dominican doesn't have to be black(african)" when africa is a continent with the most diverse types of faces. Yet you don't think it's important to pin point the fact that in the island that is the dominican republic people come in all colors of the rainbows but the african continent is just black. Nobody said all dominicans are black, I am talking about the black dominicans who reject theit blackness. Yet you feel like bringing up people I am not talking about. The fact that you would say the vast majority of dominicans is mixed indigenous and white is the biggest joke in history. This proves my point about the self hate.
@@Goldniz Africa is not all black. North Africa is predominantly muslim Arabs,who describes themselves as white/brown. Subsaharian Africa is inhabitated mostly by black christians.
The Dominican Republic is as I know mixed white-indigenous Latinos. Blacks there adapt the culture of the majority
Why is there no darkskin person who is Latin in this conversation?
Anti blackness
Maybe they did not receive a response? I know in some of the other episodes they mentioned not a lot of people want to have these conversations. Just a thought
Yea, they really missed an opportunity here.
We have had the privilege of having dark-skin Latinos on our show who have discussed colorism, anti-Blackness and racism. We cannot have everyone in each episode. However, Michelle is an Afro-Latina who is sharing her experience of anti-Blackness in Latinidad. I encourage you to watch & grow and get into our other episodes that dive into colorism & the dark skin experience specifically where people like TaDeo, Katalina, Dr. Kristina & others address.
@@DonovanThompson Thankyou for your response, I have watched most of the content of this platform and I think usually the representation of people in the conversation is spot on. Yes the perspective of Michelle was very insightful and I’m thankfull for that. Still I think that the perspective of a darkskin Latin person is very important in the conversation. Although l understand the concept of talking about anti-blackness in the Latin community and that this episode is not specific about colorism. Thankyou for all the insightfull content on this platform.
Amazing conversation that really hit home. I appreciate y’all featuring the bi-racial latino/a perspective (Michelle being Guatemalan/Jamaican). There’s a lot of us in Texas (and California I’m sure) that would love to contribute to the conversation. Looking forward to part 2⚡️
thank you all of y’all. This is a hard subject to talk about, specially putting it out there for all of us to watch. You guys are all amazing fr
Jose was great, the best speaker in this panel, and he also spoke with a lot of empathy and knowing that this is a process, and it's continued conversation and we haven't arrived! we have to continue to learn from each others experiences and can't dismiss anyone's experience.
Great conversation! 🇵🇦
We need more of these conversations, so we can break down the anti black & browness in Latin America show your kids families and more let’s grow together ‼️
As a black person I feel like there's no conversation to be? Had.
Michelle, you did that! You are extremely beautiful and powerful. I love love love that you brought up embodying dismantling anti-blackness through actions of care. Transformative perspective. Keep learning and loving yourself and your Blackness/Africanness - we all reach our awakening at different points and times in our life journey. Black and dark skin is seen as power. Those who hate against you and us do it in fear and insecurity, and they feel powerful only when they can take yours away. Don't let them take your power from you! Sending love
Also sis, sometimes you need new friends. I had to let go of any "friend" that did not uphold my Blackness and my identity. Friendship is community and should be space where you are given ultra love, support, fellowship and truth. You'll find your people because you are authentic and true!
@@adjoaayye I second both of these statements, let’s UPLIFT rather than put down. The fact that Michelle came on here and bared her still fresh wounds is enough for me. Sending doubly love to Michelle
No they don't
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You guys deserve way more subscribers!
Thank you so much! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
How do latinoes relate to their Indian heritage....I never hear about that
Yes that would be interesting
Personally I listen to native american music.
My Michelle! You are so powerful! Your story is important! Your healing is important! Your voice is important!! Love this for you!!
Sending love and compassion to my sister. I really appreciate your transparency and courage to show your vulnerability. Thank you, this was a great conversation and I hope that it bring understanding and healing surrounding this issue. This was healing balm and I hope we have more of these discussion in all of our communities.
Great conversation!!
I love the work you all are doing!!!
It’s impossible to talk about anti-black racism white supremacy with people who acknowledge culture but are colourblind/blind to the concept of race. Plus the woman is a Mixed Race Latina not a Black Latina woman, please let the 'one drop rule' die. You needed some unambiguously Black latinx people in this conversation.
I hate it when they confuse culture with race, culture (ethnicity) and nationality of three different things.
@@user-bx2cg2ec8c i don’t know why people like to discredit our experience as mixed people in society. When someone sees a brown mixed person walking down the street, also depending on where you live, but society and people in general have auto classifications. It would not let me reply directly to thehoneyeffect for whatever reason but the fact that you’re discounting her lived experience is part of the problem.
This! She says she’s “dark skinned “ but she’s not exactly Amara La Negra now is she ? Its actually frightening to think that even as a perceived light skinned considering themselves as “dark” , that means unambiguous Black must really be looked upon like something someone scraped off the bottom of their shoe .lts scary coz where are the unambiguous Afro Latinos ? We only ever see , the shakiras , the Jenna Ortegas , the Sofia Vergaras ,it’s like they don’t even exist :-/
@@supernova7848 because most of them are living in Latin America. These are USA Latinos, most are white, or meztio.
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@@supernova7848 Right We only see the Shakira's, the Jenna Ortegas, and the Sofia Vergera's. We need to see the Amara La Negra's , the Celia Cruz's, and the David Ortiz's.
This was beautiful, I really appreciated this video
Great convo! ❤
Just subscribed! Really great conversation.
This a great example of anti- blackness as more than an American mentality, but a global one.
This was a great episode! Keep doing these!
Thank you so much!!!! :-)
You need to have this same discussion here in NYC/NJ where you have a large demographic of Latin (Caribbean/Central & South American)BLACK REPRESENTING (phenotypically & melanin wise, ex., Celia Cruz, Johnny Ventura, La Lupe, Cortijo, Roberto Clemente, Ruth Fernandez, Ozuna, Tego Calderon etc.,)folks. In addition it is imperative to cast Afro Latinos who’s BOTH PARENTS lineage stem from Latin American countries. Common sense would have told you guys that there isn’t a large BLACK LATINO demographic on the west coast. WAKE UP!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
I came across this video scrolling. And I'm grateful to see this conversation on UA-cam. Respect to the panel for their honesty and strength. More of these conversations need to be held. I am an African from South America and living in America I've seen the racist card played out between the black's and Latinos. We are all one people and the miseducation must be taught by this generation. So proud of you all. A touching and emotional panel. Love the convention and the eye opening. Unity is strength! Raspect
Thank you. We want to move culture forward. We don't want us to stay stuck in a perpetual cycle of hate.
I smiled throughout this entire video such good conversation 💕
Another powerful share. Gracias
This was an amazing conversation
Soynalgonas experience is so real and valid loved that he also touched on being multicultural and being a product of your environment as well
Beautiful panel feels like home fr
I respect and Love this conversation as Black jamaican decent but out of many one ppl panama is in the blood im proud to see that emotions exist about being black within latin communities.
Very important and extremely helpful conversation!
Michelle, your Black is Beautiful sis ❤️
I enjoyed Jose’s approach to culture and understanding how black people ran so that all people of color can walk in the U.S. My heart is with Michelle that she was treated that way, as a black woman I haven’t had that experience but I’m sure it was awful.
YES. Recently a Brazilian saying th n-word all over my apartment where he is couchsurfing under my roof. To my face as a Black person, pretending that he has no idea what race is. Telling me that there is one Black person in his family that they all call the n-word as a joke. Then when I confront him we have an honest conversation about 'preto' and what it means in Brazil. All of a sudden he understands everything. My wish for him is that he continues using the n-word in America.
Jose is on point (the brother isn't holding back, which is what we do too much of in this country that we live in). We need to be able to talk about things like this in the open with no filter, etc. If we don't talk, educate and crush the malarkey how do we grow? I remember a quote from Dr. House on the show called House (oh you believe a white man can't leave a person fatherless in so many words). White people divorce and leave their kids too (they have a lot of bastard kids all over Latin America that they never claimed per se from African and Indigenous women). They're doing it in Asia now too because Asian women are a thing for them now. It started in the Philippines with the Spanish and into modern times.
This was cool to hear. I grew up in NYC and never understood (and still don't) where the latino community felt that they were better than when we were attending the same schools and living in the same community. The non minority population looked down on us the same way.
This was great
34:29 THIS RIGHT HERE! preach Jose PREACH!!!
This is a good topic of conversation, but it got highjacked‼️
It's like having a cooking show and not talking about food and it's ingredients.
There were NO Hispanics before the three races mixed.
Native/Black/Spanish and it expanded..
However these Afro-Latino conversations need unambiguous Black Afro-Latino (non mulatto) who are talking about race, not sexuality preference. It dilutes and eclipse the actual topic.
I’m just a few minutes in. You guys have missed out the early history of Mexico and the role classism has had on color. There is a good book that discusses the Spaniard history on classism on its implication on skin color. It’s called “Distant Neighbor”.
Usually in Latin America groups like Mulattoes, Pardos, And Zambos are not seen as Black but there own racial groups just as Mestizos, Pardos, Zambos, And Harnizos are not see as Indigenous but as there own race types yeah.
My kids are multicultural. My youngest whose phenotypes are culturally black wanted a white doll. I got her the white doll because her father is white, but I also bought Asian, black (all complexions) Latin dolls. It was important to me that she knew that she is black but she can love the beauty of all cultures and races.
Love this parents from 🇧🇿, great grandparents from 🇭🇳 and Guatemala 🇬🇹 ( lots of Afro Latinos in all 3 countries)
Jose comment on gay white men is 100% on point
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!!!!! LOVE YOU, @soynalgona!
Anyone who has been raised around Latinos or lives near them knows the answer to this question.
31:18 true but what’s also true is that they intentionally made the black dolls ugly on purpose
My heart goes out to the lady who is mixed that hurts.
My mother had never seen a black person until she came to the USA. She is a baby boomer, no tv and no radio when she was growing up in Latin America. She had no concept, or no preconceived ideas of black people. She met and worked with black people here in Los Angeles.
I echo some of the comments here that we needed to have representation from darker skinned afro latinas. I've travelled to Cuba and the Dominican Republic several times and have heard some really sad and eye opening stories from the unambiguously black latinos about their treatment and experiences which needs to be heard and shared more widely.
Great conversation. As a black man (dark skin at that) the story of internal racism within our community hits just like this one.
I get where you're coming from but anti-Blackness is far deeper and deadlier from non Black people.
@@jaiyabyrd4177 The number one cause of death for Black men in the United States is homicide. The perpetrator is usually a Black Man more than a man of another race. Also look at the Black femicide rates.
great convo! i think next time people of darker skin tone should be included as well. specifically afro latinos that cannot pass for being biracial.
Thank you so much for watching and for the feedback! :-)
Little Black girl (@Michelle Morales of the world. We love you brothers and sisters. God bless your strength, courage, your push, and loving your true self and identity as Afro-latinas. We love, support, uplifted and bless you.🙏🏽❤️
They are having a discussion about anti Blackness with only one person who could be considered Black participating. I prefer the travel blogs filmed in places like Palenque, Columbia or Guerrero, Mexico that actually show the lives of Black people. But, at least, they are having this discussion.
It has always been odd to me how Native culture and acknowledgement of having native blood seems to be so divorced from many Latin cultures. Especially considering that native ancestry/bloodline has been much more preserved in Latin countries than compared to the United States.
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I’m soooo tired of the colourism from my own people, I feel the need to say iwas born and raised by a black woman and my siblings as well, it starts with us, duh?
Stop the separation, I do understand it and see it with the others but what I don’t understand is when it comes from my own people. You should educate and open others minds, cause I get the blindness but we are black, my hair is black, my skin is black, now fuck off and put your own insecurity in other ways. Let’s Fight the right battles, we’re in this together💕
To Michelle on the panel, I hope you read this, I pray that you truly learn to love yourself because black is beautiful. Visit Jamaica, you'll love it. Lastly, don't believe for a second that your dad leaving had anything to do with him being black. There are men and women of every race, and culture that have abandoned their families. It is not simply a black thing. I have been with my husband since college (that's over 30 years) . This year we'll be married for 24 years and we're both black. Many friends I know have been together as long as I have and longer, and they too are black.
You have to truly love your self and appreciate both sides of who you are in order to be happy.
BTW, I have never heard anyone say “mejor la raza”. EVER. This must be a current saying and by current I mean this was NOT a saying in the 1960’s 1970’s 1980’s.
Yes yes it is.
YES
It should be how does colorism affect the Latin community, not whether it exists. It's obvious it does.
My maternal grandmother was born in the early 1900’s. She affectionately called me “mi India” because of the color of my skin. My grandmother was a white looking Hispanic who an indigenous. I’m a lighter Hispanic but compared to my grandmother, I guess I had some color. Who knows. Anyways, you guys don’t get the the affect of classism. You have been exposed to USA perspective and missing out the early Latino affect of classism on color.
I lived in Lynwood in the late 1960’s through early 1970’s and NO, Latinos didn’t speak Ebonics, EVER. All the teachers were white. I spoke English at school and home. I only spoke Spanish with my grandparents.
Conversations around this subject always fall short because Haitians, who are completely ignored in Latinidad, are never present. Haiti represents the experience of nonambiguous Black Latinos across the Latin America. You do not have to have a Black (non-Latin) Caribbean/ American/African parent to be considered Latinx. Nonambiguous Afro-Latino/a/x are present in Latin America in the very countries these panelist descend from. Don't get me started on Latinidad's anti-indigenous sentiments either.
We cannot have everyone in every episode. Check out episode 4 where we have Haitians and other Black Latines... Thx!
Haitians are french speaking blacks. They're not even creoles. So Haitians only are part of the black community,not of the Latino/hispanic community nor creole nor biracial nor of indigenous community
Anti Blackness is the most challenging form of racism because it must be proven every day. If it is generally acknowledged, that would mean its perpetrators ( from all backgrounds) are immoral and that’s what’s hard to accept. Black people are the first human beings, so anti blackness is not just immoral, it’s a sin against God because you are saying his primary creation is inferior.
I also think being Anti-Black to get closer to being white and having black in your bloodline or being non white is being Anti-SELF.
The indigenous Latinos are so beautiful sometimes I see a degree of resemblance with Native Americans are there any distance relations there?
its pretty much one and the same, obviously.
Why is the panel not displaying the Afro-latinos? Y’all don’t know not ONE person? Isn’t it ironic that it plays into the title?
There is a whole AFRO LATINA sitting on the panel, pouring out her soul, sharing her experience. Please do not attempt to erase her and her experience. Thank you.
@@strangerfruituniverse you’re missing the point. Myself as well as a lot of the comments reflect that why are there no darker skin Afro-Latinos. It is always lighter skin/European looking Latinos speaking. The one young lady who is speaking, isn’t truly what we the audience want to see. Hence the panel plays into the title. Irony
Latin X? What the hellos is that? I miss the Latino problems of yesterday year, before social media. When I was little there was only like 4 hours of Spanish TV on Sunday. Our English was spot on as was our Spanish, no Spanglish no pronouncing words with a Spanish accent when speaking English.
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Watching this episode was like watching 3 childless people talk about parenting and the one parent on stage was given a tiny portion of time to explore the topic at hand. How can you talk about anti-blackness in the Latin community but not stack the deck with ALL BLACK LATINOS???
1) you spent 20 of the 37 min talking to people who are neither 'black latinos' or 'darker than a brown paper bag'. They spoke about something they have NEVER experienced first-hand. It was weird hearing them speak from a 3rd person perspective (from hearsay and observations but not 1st hand experience).
Their perspectives were very interesting and very valid. They deserve to be placed in a show about being Latin in a white colonial society. It had no business leading a show about anti-blackness amongst Latin cultures.
2) the one Afro-Latina, Michelle, was finally given the floor AFTER THE OTHERS spoke (very reflective of how telenovelas treat their black characters...but I digress). She should have LED THE SHOW and her experiences should've steered the conversation.
Then when she bore her heart...eery silence!!
I was super uncomfortable with how alone she looked crying and expressing herself. There was no connection from the others concerning what she said.
When they finally did speak, they came from the 'cranial empathic perspective', not a 'heart-felt, I've walked in your shoes, connection.' There was no exchange of familiar experiences bc they don't have them nor real synergy with her.
Constanza could only say 'yeah', 'hmm" and 'right' bc she hasn't lived it either.
3) Constanza made a failed attempt to connect but ended up centering herself in her responses to Michelle. She centered herself when talking about being lighter-skinned and being told that she is 'better' and comparing it to how darker-skinned Latinos are invalidated. She centered herself when she talked rejecting a doll bc she was black.
There was more support in the stats you all put on screen than what anyone actually said to Michelle.
*NOTE: No one mistreated Michelle nor made her feel bad. That's not what I'm saying nor implying. Everyone was friendly, relatable and professional. I really enjoyed watching them exchange ideas.
I'm saying you all should've done the work to find BLACK LATINOS to speak about this very sensitive topic.
I found your page yesterday from suggested videos and watched 'Biracial vs Black'. Both episodes were informative and I was super excited about finding your account!
Sadly, this episode gives me pause.
I had to speak up bc the ball was fumbled on so many levels. You didn't honor the subject matter nor give it a safe space to breathe.
And what's even worse, you all used Michelle's clip to tease the episode, making us believe that's the show was going to really flush out the conversation of anti-blackness.
You're in LA, so I know there are Black Latinos in DEI, higher ed, authors, reporters, cultural experts, etc, that you can talk to that can really give an informed perspective about this very important topic.
I am a journalist. I delved into this subject back in 2001 on a talk show I produced for a PBS affiliate and that was before 'Afro-Latino" and talking about anti-blackness in Latin culture was a thing. I found a Black Latina to talk about it by calling around town and getting references.
You have many more resources than I had 22 years ago. Finding experts shouldn't be a difficult task.
After watching ''Biracial vs Black', I truly believe that you all want to be a trust-worthy and reliable resource for people to use when learning about taboo and sensitive topics. That's so important amongst all the fluff shows out here.
The "Biracial vs Black' conversation was well-rounded. The guests were diverse in perspective. The production quality is amazing (I'm also a filmmaker and your show LOOKS DYNAMIC!!).
Please take this as an opportunity to do better.
Thank you for reading my comment.
1. There are also non-black Latinos. They form the majority
2. There is no colonial system in central-and south america cause 90% are already mixed race. They made kids voluntarily(shortly described)
Gen Z lingo episode yes yes yes. It is surreal to see the explosion, yet whether from the black community, latin community or the queer black and latin community they either have no idea or no respect from where "their" words originated or why. Fox News already ruined the true meaning of stay woke for me, Gen Z is slowly eroding most other cherished sayings for me now. #grumpyoldmillenial
I really hate how the dominant culture and others have hijacked the term "woke" and turned it into a bad thing. So often "the others" take things from Black culture and twist them around. It's very annoying. This is why a lot of AAs talk about gatekeeping.
Short answer YES but thats the result of spanish colonialization and the hierarchy they created within Latin american countries. Anglophone countries where im from had a whole different approach to race that they see whites as whites ,mixed race or either black or indigenous , black is black and asian is brown. Those who have closer complexion to whites get better treatment , more opportunities and are more likely successful in the anglo-world. Latinos who are white in their country find themselves knocked off the hierarchy once they step foot in the anglosphere
Only in Reggaeton videos. 😊
The Black Dad probably felt all that and left
Being African Americans is a different culture! Its just a fact of life.latinos come in all colors.
Yea, So do Blacks! Duhhhh
All different shades too!
Africans, Blacks Americans, Indians, Jamaicans, Bajans, Dominicans, Haitians, etc. it’s called COLORISM. Stemmed from Racism via our Colonizer!
Learn your history! Your comment is a form of ignorance!
African Americans come in all colors too.
What?
No coincidence that you find that these people who scream all this ‘anti-Blackness’/‘racism’ stuff issues are actually internal..ie their own insecurities and self- hate and then wanna blame whyyyyyte folk🤦🏽♀️ Please learn to take accountability and look within!!
I have kid with a Latin woman.i tell you what,we never a huge issue with our race ,but we like sharing each other our culture difference.i know some couples could be different than ourselves.tolerance and respect could play a big role in any relationship.
Yes that right say the sayings in Spanish so we know what to look out for! Lol 😂
I would never teach my children to be anti any race.
You don't have to. Society will do it for you.
Lmao never met a latino who said "latimidad'
Afro latino is not one of your parents is black American. Afro Latino is your a black person from Latin America. Or both of your parents or from Latin America. How can you get this wrong to.