Why You're Not Successful
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2022
- Which matters more: talent or training? Hard work or circumstance?
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Written by: Mitchell Moffit
Edited by: Luka Šarlija
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Did this change your perspective at all on "success" and how you will think about it going forward?
As a completely non-competitive person, this validates what I always thought.
"I don't want to compete with you. You've got things you're good at and I'm good at some things too. Let's just be friends.."
Why did no one like this comment 💀
@@Vista.highlights 😄Thank you. Finding Desiderata in my teenage years was a Godsend for an INFJ person like me!
I didn't knew this but after watching this I remembered that in the Band I was the only child who was able to play every instrument. Whereas the topper of my class was still trying to figure out how to catch it properly. If she is good in Science-1 then I am good in languages. I'm happy that I watched this video now I'll maybe stop discouraging myself and can try harder with positive mindset.
Are there any chances that the things in which we seem to be good at due to genetics, we also like it passionately??
Parents take note: let your kids explore their own interests instead of imposing your own onto them and trying to live vicariously through them. Your kids will NOT appreciate it later.
They also won’t appreciate being required to have a high GPA.
Agreed if they are born lucky. For many/most they need to appear 10x better than their peers to have an equal chance.
Word, I had to cut one whole side of my family off because of exactly this. And as soon as that happened I found my passion in life
Those types of parents are some of the worst. They're so controlling and unaware or simply disregard their child's own developing personality and emotions.
Some people just shouldn't have kids and those that strongly do this are one of those people.
Literally a required point of parenting is imposing your own interests and beliefs on your children. I‘m sick of younger people essentially arguing that parents should play no role in the development of their children except for providing financial support for them. There is such a thing as taking it too far most certainly, but it‘s so dangerous to tell parents that they shouldn‘t take great interest in steering their children in the right direction ESPECIALLY considering they have so much more real world experience than us as children.
I'm a teacher to people who do low level community College. About 60 to 70% of the time it's circumstances that bring them to me. A hellish family life, sick family to take care of, having to work to pay the bills or having undiagnosed neuro diversity etc.
A lot of these people just weren't ready yet when society demanded them to be.
Almost all of these people have so much life experience, and inner motivation, to tap from that get them through my school. They want to go to a higher level, they want to start making actual money, they just want to show people they can do it!
Some of them are definitely university smart, they just needed some time to get there! (I'm really proud of them, can you tell? 😁)
Your students are mighty lucky to have you! I was one of those students you described and truly loved when I took classes where the professors understood that we all came from different educational backgrounds and would unfortunately never be on the same level because we all lived under different circumstances. Those are the professors that made an impact and I kept going back to school to take their classes and get my BA.
@@saraimendibles3503 Amazing that you kept going for it! Good luck, or congratulations!
Say that again for the peeps in the back!
I definitely didn’t feel university ready until now. I took a lot of time at my activities outside school to develop my self-confidence. My family, teachers, and friends have always told me I was smart but I really had to believe it in order to try and get my master’s. Next year I’m graduating!
Your a blessing.
“A lot of them weren’t ready when society demanded them to be.” That hit too close to home.
I think humility is the real point here. People underestimate how much they owe their success to other people and sheer luck. “Hustle culture” and working harder than your peers is seen as a win, especially if your entire identity is defined by your occupation. But the moment you’ve achieved success and you attribute it to no one but yourself, you lose not only credibility but a crucial component to success. You got help. We all did. No one lives unaffected by anyone else. We all owe a debt of gratitude to lots of people, whether we’ve met them or not.
And besides, could that time working all those hours have been better spent living a fuller life, building relationships, and just being more than your skills?
i really like this comment, thank you
True🙌
nah that’s so stupid, if someone makes it on their own, they made it on their own
@@Jetdonk3y Nobody lives in a vacuum. You didn’t discover by yourself most of the things you know. These are lessons you learned with help. You didn’t work to invent from scratch things like language, business acumen, knowing basic math, wisdom, or relationship skills. You learned these things by interacting with the people around you. Yes, you work to buy the food you eat, the medical care and education you received, the roads you drive on the, the technology you utilize, and the majority of tools that you worked to access, but without other people’s contributions your ability to work for these things would be impossible.
It doesn’t mean you haven’t worked hard and that you’ve received all the help you needed. But it’s definitely not correct to say that people can be truly self-made. That’s just not reality. People need each other.
Sometimes I question whether I should have born because sometimes I'm not grateful for what I have
Long story short: we all have natural talents that can be improved upon to an expert level, you just have to do enough activities to figure out what they are. I always thought being in multiple clubs/sports meant that it would be more difficult for me to commit to something, but if anything, I feel like I understand pretty well now what I like and dislike. Life is a constant journey for learning new skills and finding new things that we're good at.
Yes
Exactly! Couldn’t have said it better.
Gby
Ah, the optimist. There is another interpretation of the facts but I suppose it isn't a happy one so we'll not mention it.
@@Kreadus005
Mentioned please, I'm not optimistic, just some guy that wanted to know the truth.
Third theory: Ryan Gosling’s character didn’t become the best due to genetics, circumstance, or hard work. He was written that way
So memes; nongenetically inherited traits. In this case inherited from the screen writers, in a sense.
@@SinHurr Memes, the DNA of the soul.
@@SinHurr now that's a pretty meme EXQUISITE
@@duckduck7790 Don't forget to look right and see the kitty
@@duckduck7790 I see you are a man of culture as well
The harder I work the more is expected of me until they burn me out, they don't care how hard you work as long as you get it done regardless of your tiredness
Yeah, that's the point; no one cares about how hard you work, it's the value that is netted from that work. If the world was a sentimental hell-hole that rewarded you for effort instead of actual value produced, then any two-bit loser could dig a pointless hole in his backyard in the summer heat until he passes out then make a claim to millions.
But he can't, because that pointless hole produces nothing of value. You should not rewarded for a lack of value, get over yourself bro
Banger quote. Also depressingly true
You are a numbered tool until you are worn out, thrown out and replaced with a new tool with a new number.
Learned that after doing retail
That's capitalism for you
One thing I will say is that SAT scores are horribly skewed in favor of those with the wealth and time and access to tutoring for the test. Which I guess is another thing in favor of how working hard is a scam: do the US, Russia, and China actually have most of the best athletes in the world as evidenced by the Olympics or are they just the countries that spend the most money, time, and energy training their athletes?
Working hard isn’t a scam
You should include in this list of countries of your question to the USA
@@izzeldeenmez4343 tell that to miners who live in poverty
Those countries also have large populations, so no surprise that they win more medals at the Olympics. A few websites rank Olympic medals per capita, and the US, Russia and China are not even in the first 10 on those lists.
thats cope, plenty of people test well their first time around without studying
I feel like people will take this lesson the wrong way as the video is a bit misleading for shock value. Hard work IS overrated and circumstances do play a big role, but devoting yourself to something you care about is absolutely a way to succeed in it. Don't let your circumstances dictate your future.
It is important to develop the ability to work hard. If one wants to attempt to be the best at something, they should work hard at trying different skills to test their talents and bring joy to themselves and those around them.
Once a proper sample size is achieved, it is then best to largely focus on one big thing.
Title is misleading, but the conclusion of the video spells it out: try new things, focus on what you feel is fruitful.
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I don't know, I think it is actually a good antidote to the toxic mainstream mindset, the one where anyone can do anything, that there's only your "laziness" holding you back. That everything is within reach, that it's all your fault that you failed to measure up with the "best". That the "best" "deserve" everything they get out of being the best, because they simply put in more hard work than everyone else, and those who aren't the best deserve nothing, because they necessarily put in no work at all; otherwise they'd be the best.
I think they didn't emphasize enough that they are talking about how to be the best or extremely exceptional at something. Though I think it's important to realize that your passion and talent can be different things.
It's absurd how the concept of 10000 hours has been so misunderstood and taken out of context. In the book Outliers, from which the idea of 10000 hours stemmed from, Malcolm Gladwell talks explicitly about how circumstances skew outcomes. For example, 40% of players in the NHL have birthdays between January and March and only 10% between October and December. The age cut offs in the junior leagues meant that kids whose birthdays were between January and March had almost an entire year of physical growth and coordination over the Oct.-Dec. kids so they would be funneled into elite leagues from the start which would make drastic differences in the long term.
Yeah but relying on athletic data (a field which is artificially limited through team number limits, subject to higher-than-average bias selection and heavily dependent on physical output) to back up chances of success in other fields is kinda moot lol
Stop watching veritasium
@@roucoupse stop telling people what to do.
What I’m hearing is that horoscopes are very important.
@@roucoupse why
The socioeconomic circumstances are also super important I think. I've always been mediocre at best on my education, I graduated college with a 7.8/10 grade average but I always had to work and study at the same time because I was born in a family with lots of money issues so I had to pay myself for my food, transportation, books, etc... I often think about my friends who were born in wealthier families and they didn't have to work like me so they could put their full attention to their education and therefore graduated with higher averages. So in conclusion being poor also affects your performance :(
too much water?
Hard agree. Socioeconomic status, grit, will, time, ablity to focus, money, and varying skills in different things
I admit that there is truth in this, but from my perspective, it's more the family issues rather than socioeconomic circumstances. In most cases, the two are often closely intertwined.
I grew up maybe a level above ghetto living. If a ghetto is a 4x4 wooden shack by the dirty and smelly river in the city, my home was a 4x4 wooden shack next to a third-world pig farm where the path in front of my house is constantly muddy at normal times and dusty in dry seasons. However my parents rarely fought about money, they just work hard from morning to late at night. I went to a religious school with a mix of low and medium-socioeconomic kids. I have to admit I didn't think much about my friends owning things that I don't. I just stayed away from those who were a PITA, I befriended the top two students in the whole grade and worked my way to the top 3. My parents were working hard but they didn't complain in front of me, so I thought I owed it to them to work hard too and ignore unnecessary things. Having your family support you by protecting you from their burden so you can do what you can to help, is very important.
Also, not dwelling on what others have and what you don't helps because it prevents you from thinking of yourself as a victim of circumstance and starts putting limitations on yourself. That's been my personality though, if I want something, I don't dwell in what others have because those things aren't necessarily things I wanted or needed in my life anyway. They are them, this is me. If I want something, I figure out how to get there and I'll do whatever it takes. If I am not game to do it, then I don't want it bad enough. If I'm lacking in resources I will ask for help and keep asking for help, and then I make good use of that help to show how much I appreciated it.
This is not to disregard socioeconomic status as a barrier. I am now an adult who can analyze this better. Many low-income family circumstances are often exacerbated by generational problematic behaviour that is mimicked and inherited by the children in the family. In cases where this pattern does not hold, usually at least one of the parents took responsibility and determination to break the pattern and succeeded.
Summary: Success is mostly due to exposure, genetics, and circumstance, not necessarily hard work itself. Practicing or specializing in one thing is not the deciding factor for being exceptional or extremely successful in your field.
Do you have any stats to back this up? Because what we do have is the large majority of millionaires (around 88%) being first-generational; thus most success qualifying as "self-made" by general descriptions.
Genetics is certainly at play because not everyone has equal talent, but exposure & circumstance can absolutely be molded by the individual. IE. Taking part in finance events and seminars would put you into the position of increased exposure towards opportunities of that caliber (if you're someone who has proven you're worthy of attention through ability, ofc) & circumstances conducive to success are all around us; all you need is the ability to capitalize off of them. You can start a digital store right now for free on various different platforms and outsource the products, only having to handle brand marketing; by the weeks end you could have a profitable operation with less than a couple hundred spent, but only if you have the ability yourself.
The weak sit back and make excuses, while those with ability forcefully design their own circumstances.
@Nassim54 that’s why exposure is included.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I’m just summarizing the video bruh
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I mean. There is a reason most people dont move outside the tax bracket they started in. Environment still plays a massive role in success. Besides....
Your statement about proving that you are worthy of attention is entirely based on luck. The hope that your accomplishments will be seen by someone of a "higher societal value". All you are saying is that if you attempt to get in these positions, you might get lucky and move up in the world. The reality is that not everyone has a chance to do this. I can understand wanting to believe that hard work will always be the answer but that isnt reality. Luck is a massive part of success in so many cases. Hard work comes second and most of the time it isnt hard work, but smart work.
You wont know unless you try but for many. Trying means giving up everything and putting your life to chance and for many that isnt a smart thing to do when the other option is homelessness or worse. Spend that couple hundred for a chance to make a profitable operation assuming you even have that to spend.
It isnt about being weak. Its about being lucky. Hard work can increase your luck but the issue come in when your luck is still too low for the amount of work put in.
And add Luck!!Very important Factor that every honest successful person will tell you and is the first on the list.On the right place in the righ time -snapped recognized oportunity or mentor who helped.Unfortinatly many hard working very clever ppl never had that chance or simply they missed oportunity.
Ok, let’a get it right:
It is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name
🤣🤣🤣
Honestly,this sounds about right.
🤣👍
Did you need your UA-cam name up in lights? Or did you just want to be heard?
Styles of beyond
I feel like there’s a comforting twist in the way “circumstances matter” comes up here. A lot of students fall into the category of they could be middle of the road at an icy league school or in the top of a good state school. It’s really upsetting when they don’t get into that dream school but actually it could be better for them!
I sure hope it’s better for me that I didn’t get into my dream school. I had a lot of good extra curricular, good essay, and high GPA, but didn’t get into UCI nursing program. I got into UCD AND UCSC but they don’t have nursing. I chose cc over a state pre nursing
+Fwizzybee, I didn't quite understand the message you were trying to convey, could you please explain more?
Honestly comforted by this. I never felt that tech was for me, yet I'm in a tech job and will be leaving soon bc it's just too hard for me. No amount of hard work and time management can make the job work for me. It sucks but it's true
same, i like it but realised its not for me. Im exploring other technologies or completly diffrent jobs that I might like
maybe you are leader of those techguys but they wont let you be one since you are a woman ( i assume)
The video explicitly states that most people can become really good in a field through hard work, but few can become exceptionally good in their field. However, if tech isn't something you enjoy at all, then absolutely leave it.
@@jari2018 how do you become a leader of somethjng that you doesn't know how it works? Lol
@@nguyenhaiduong9400 leading men can be easy for a women if they identify the problems and wha the upper management wants -male bullies are just afraid of someone taking their place in the hirarchy or even competing
Being good at something doesn't only apply to sports. I'm good at learning languages, have a lot of free space in my head for words, but if you ask me to solve a math problem I'll nope out of there. There are also people that will never be particular good at anything, they'll be decent but nether the best even if they put in the work.
I agree, The Talent Code is a great book to read about how we actually develop skills through the process of myelin and nerve circuits
People need to understand that timing, smart work and luck all play a huge factor!
Honest tho!!
It's all luck when you boil it down. Free will is an illusion, if you like it or not.
Just say luck.
luck is very underated
@@Claritism cause even talent is also a luck.
While this may be true, oftentimes our circumstances and talent levels are out of our control. Thus, hard work is the only factor we can rely on.
I’m on my second watch through, and realised the correlation of this topic with “EV” or Effort Value Training in Pokémon. In the handheld games, each creature has its base stats, but also nature traits (e.g. Timid, Bold) that determines growth priority of specific stats. However with EV, certain areas are honed by training on the same type of enemy/etc. to focus growth in a specific area to develop aptitude.
Neat.
i love pokemkn lol
Nice analogy my dude.
Damn, so fitting, especially since EV training pkmns in the wrong stat is often really disappointing ex. Training a slow one in speed doesn’t make it able to rival better pokemons, but if instead you trained its naturally high dmg or hp it would make a much bigger difference
Also there are IVs (Individual Value) points that are determined on encounter or hatching and can never be altered similar to natural baselines.
@@muazkashif8554 Thanks for adding this, I knew I was spacing on that detail but wanted to get the point out as concisely as possible in the moment 👍🏼
Compared to my peers, I never had to study hard, never had to work hard. And now I have a PhD. I feel like a scam, but I know it's just genetics and the huge amount of luck to be born in a wealthy country to two university graduates.
Congratulations, you have Imposter Syndrome. Join the club.
Refreshing to hear. I would suggest it is 90% or more luck of your geographic birth place and parents and the rest maybe genetics and your own hard work.
Sometimes I feel like that too but then I realised, maybe unlike my peers, I absorb verbal lectures better. Maybe my peers prefered hands-on and we didn't get that a lot. Hell, maybe they are just nightowls and day time school were just not it for them.
Looking at it that way allowed me to think more, "They didn't get the chance to be great" than "I am a scam"
@@bjsvec Speaking of geography, my uncle would still have a foot and kidney function if we lived basically anywhere but the US. Dice roll! Snake eyes!
Impostor Syndrome
There are like 8 levels of unfairness in general life
1. Early exposure
2. Money to try things
3. Genetics directly influencing the thing
4. Mentors
5. Money to continue the thing.
6. Innate confidence and self worth (fake it until you make it).
7. School, home and literal environment
8. Monetization opportunities.
And really, only 2 of these is actually in people's control. (5 and 6 to an extent)
Basically its all about the money.Kids from poor or low middle class hardly stand a chance
@@TheMemoryPolice That's usually the biggest one. It's not like most parents don't want their kid to go try a bunch of things and have fun. The rest of the ones are mostly true for the few with shit parents who never let them try anything. So now they have to try things and try getting good at 18 or 20 or maybe even 30.
@@natmj7851 So, your art pays the bills?
Edit. Also, btw, if you can do art well without any help, and you make money from it, then it's #3, #6 and #8. Early exposure and money are only 3 of the 8
Let's be honest here: Genetics matters, family matters, luck matters. Now the real question is should we discourage people from working hard? The majority of people would say no, because they think it's bad for the common good. Totally makes sense. Moreover, working hard does help you improve, not more than your own limit, but to reach your limit. Another factor to consider is working hard is not enough, and sometimes back fires. Doing what is right and necessary is more important.
Couldn’t agree more, how hard you work and when that doesn’t cut it-how smart you work is all you can do. You can’t change all the other stuff, you have to work for what you want because noone else will.
I was a total failure in school, I know that genetics and a poor environment were to blame. My parents blamed me for failing in school when it was all their fault.
@@catherinebirch2399 it was not all their fault but partly. That's what I'm saying.
Even if everything you said is true, working hard (long hours) is the only tool we have to improve ourselves later in our life. The information you shared is valuable for parents.
yeah the video should have been called "hard work will not necessarily make you the world's best at something", which would basically be stating the obvious. Hard work is definitely not a scam for most people who aren't narcissists and simply wish for a moderate level of success in their field.
This is the first video which made me feel better about "being good at a lot of things but not exceptional at anything particular".
Though I know it's not what you were saying, I'm concerned that viewers, especially kids will get the message "being good at something is genetic" from this video. That reinforcement of fixed mindset is often very detrimental to people. It would be great if you guys would make a video on growth mindset looking at the work of Carol Dweck, Daniel Coyle and Jo Boaler.
Exactly, if twisted correctly this video almost tells the audience that "so you're not good at something? Oh well then maybe you were simply not born to do x y or z, you were born to do a b or c." Like come on let people exercise some free will, and I'm 100% certain that not everybody wants to be "the best" at whatever they do in life.
Yeah I disliked it. There’s huge value in grit and hard work.
Eh the end message I think was good. Try new things to find something you're good at or if you already are good be humble and grateful. But a video on that would be good regardless
You are right.
The title and thumbnail and even the first half twisted the actual message that you should try lots of different things before zeroing in on your ultimate goal.
And why should everyone need to be the best in the field to pursue it? Couldn't you just enjoy it regardless of it? Flow state just requires that your skill should match the demanded or perceived difficulty.
I really feel its showing the opposite. Its saying don't force yourself on one thing and try to make it happen with hard work alone, instead it is encouraging sampling, to explore, be curious and explaining the positive benefits of having diverse interests, when boomers complain about kids only playing video games surely its great to encourage other stuff.
It also suggests that kids dont need to dedicate themselves to a crazy extent when they are young, instead find that passion and focus and later put in the hard work. You are trying really hard to twist the words here. I think kids are smart enough to see the message unless they are trying to find an excuse to give up and only focus on the genetic aspect and they are going to fail anyway if they are looking for any excuse to give up. I found this quite inspiring and its making me feel guilty I haven't tried hard to learn a new language or instrument.
When I was a teenager I showed some talent for art, I had a particular interest in figure drawing and creating characters. My family and teachers were really keen for me to become some great illustration artist and become famous and make lots of money selling my beautiful masterpieces. At the time I didn't really have any idea what I wanted to do with my life, so I was like, "Yeah, art is totally a thing I want to do with my life, heh-heh, heh-heh."
So, I practiced... and I learned about anatomy, color theory, and composition. But... something was wrong. I wasn't really driven to create anything more than a simple sketch. I had no goal, no vision. By time I was 25 I realized I didn't really want to do art.
I realized that along with "talent" and "skill" you had to actually WANT to do the thing you're trying to be good at. At least, you have to want to be good at it. Some people mistake a _passing interest_ for *passion*.
And that's okay, just don't get so hung up on it that you waste 17 years trying to drive yourself in that direction only to realize you don't actually want that for your life and end up wondering what to do with your life now that you no longer have that "goal" to work towards.
I'm now in my 40s and trying to integrate all those characters I created as a teenager into a book series about superheroes falling in love.
Hard work and talent work together it’s a perfect combo
And being born under the right circumstances + general luck.
@@ashwinramaswamy4059 better to work hard and be unlucky than to be jealous, lazy and entitled.
@@NathanHedglin lol you have no idea what unlucky means. Try travelling beyond the first world, you'll know how lucky you (and I) are :)
I guarantee we're lazier than 99% of people with circumstances worse than us. You think it's easy to be a farm laborer in a poor country?
@@ashwinramaswamy4059 Success and fullfilment criteria of a farm laborer in a poor country is not the same with you. Frames are different, retarded example.
I’m brazilian and on my way to English fluency. When I first started watching/listening to your videos, I remember not following your thoughts because you speak so fast. But now, I’m so glad of it, cause I could practice and practice and now I understand everything you say 🥹🥹🥹
Thank yoooooou for the scientific stuff that you bring here, I wanted you to know that you inspired people perhaps more than you think ☺️❤️
i think it's not working "hard" but working effectively and smartly. applying whatever you wish to learn and being consistent is also important
I see what you’re trying to say but I think that’s one of the most common ways of oversimplifying the topic, at the end of the day the culture of “be consistent” could be classified as hard work too.
What I got from the video is that you will be consistent when you do what you like, and you won’t have to force yourself to the grind, it will just come natural.
Nah, hard work and smart work aren't opposite, they should be united
Eh honestly, i disagree that working hard and working smart are mutually exclusive. When both are used in tandem, you are unstoppable
@@comicsmaster7809agreed
Cant agree more! I am from a family in poverty, my parents only concern is to put food on our table. Started a business when I was 18 out of interest in what I do, but soon I realised no hard work can overcome the lack of exposure, luck and circumstance. From the get-go, I find it hard to socialize, people are talking about watches, wines, travel, experiences, etc. Since I am too poor to do any of these, I can neither relate nor join the conversation. Soon I got left out, and business opportunity started swaying to others because they sounded smarter and has more experience even though my business is much bigger through hard work.
What’s your business !? Keep at it!
who are you socializing with that all they talk about is wine and watches? lol
We are proud of you
Did you try coursera
Thanks for this video T.T
I'm sick of people telling others (including me) that they fail because they don't work hard enough.
youre just lazy my child
I would agree, but I've seen the people who try to say such things.
Story of my life. I went to college at 15, top of my class all throughout my higher education, did everything we're told a successful person does, and yet I'm on the edge of poverty because I didn't choose a steady career. I've wanted to make movies my entire life so I went out and did it and it's a mixed bag. Some projects pay great and I'm set for a while and then there are dead months and projects that are dead on arrival and I'm asking around for jobs. It's a very difficult industry with ZERO guarantees. I work along side high school dropouts, former professionals, trade school grads, accountants, planters, drivers, etc. Anyone can make it in this industry, you don't need the education I have to do it, but there's a greater chance of failure as well. It's a very finicky industry. Some people in it will barely break a sweat and others will break their backs and still make the same paycheck. Some people are just lucky.
I chose physics...wtf do you do with a physics diploma x.x top of the class every year at school but now not knowing wtf to do with my life, amazing
@@gericko4931 ...which country are you in? People with a physics degree are valued where I live. At the very least you can be a private physics tutor.
LOL should i say Hard work is Hardly working. HEHE
AYOHHH!!!
Well, I guess the most well interpreted version of the beneficits of such expression, "working hard", is that you're not gonna be necessarily the best in what you're working with, but it is certainly necessary in order to explore the limits of what you got in the field you're interested in.
I feel you should point out that the lower somebody is in the hierarchy/grade system of said school, the less likely they'll be listened to by people on the outside. Therefore they won't be hired or be as easy to publish as those higher up the ladder. People make this horrendous misnomer that only the top people of said school are actually the best so it sets everyone who's lower up for failure and mediocrity.
No one takes in societal factors such as:
-Having a teacher having personal, irrational vendetta's against you
- Sexism
- Women trying to enter male dominated fields
- POC trying to enter predominantly white fields of study
- Popularity contests
- Rumors/smear campaigns
- Frat culture/hazing
- Over working students
- Price gating
- Age gating
And so, so much more.
Fact is, if we were to rate the actual top students on a social morality, they would be somewhere more in the middle while those in the middle would probably excel to the top. By the way, there's more than just genetics and circumstance preventing people from becoming the best in their fields and I feel that should have been at least mentioned in this video.
Literally a list of woke crybaby crap that white cis-males are using to hold everyone else back.
Completely agree. It seems, sadly, that the closer you get to the bottom, the harder is the pull there..
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I think its important to note disabilities that can hold someone back if it goes unrecognized or untreated. You could be brilliant at a specific skill but if you have a learning disability and don't get help for it, it can hold you back in life no matter how smart you are.
Yep. As a random example, if you're color blind, you have basically no chance at being the best person in the world at sorting things by color without any form of assistance from tech or another person.
Same goes for depression
My interests change a lot, but they often cycle back on themselves, so sometimes when I return to an old interest, I feel like I am able to understand it better through relating it to new things I learned while taking a break from it
It's almost as if all these cuts to the Arts in school will be a detriment to STEM outcomes, despite cuts to the Arts often being intended to focus funding to "core" or "essential" topics like STEM. (And by "almost" I mean "definitely".)
A valid point, but I think there's a bit of counterpoint. This is based on my personal experiences, so please take with a grain of salt.
Growing up, everyone I knew wanted to do art stuff in school and on their own. Not because they were passionate artists, but because to them, art was more fun and it was more like play. And people always got up in arms about making sure Art and Athletics programs had money... almost no one cared about STEM funding.
(I, for one, hated art in school with a passion. I was terrible at all of it, and the way school structured it just made me hate it more. The only exception was reading, which I came to love on my own outside of school. Even if most of the books school assigned us were still miserable.)
STEM, meanwhile, was something that had to be actively taught to my peers. And I, who actually enjoyed STEM, had no access to really learn or practice it on my own. Art stuff was cheap and easy to get, but not STEM stuff.
Of course, my school was a fairly poor school in a depressed area. So we didn't have Engineering or Technology. (Or musical instruments.) So I guess you could say all we had was... S&M. Haha.
26 yr old Singaporean, from a single parent family. Parents should introduce as many aspects of society to their kids. Took me 25 years of struggle living in one of the most expensive cities in the world to learn this. Don't tell your kids what to do, teach them what they don't know. Let then learn, choose by themselves. Parents are pillars of support, be there for them, not guiding them to a certain path.
(My mom is always working and I had no parental guidance throughout my childhood)
It would have been good to show that elite athletes often train at light intensity 80% of the time which allows them to push really hard on the hard and competition days.
that's not what the video is really about
@@seaslug4814 Not necessarily, but they have a lot in common.
@@energyzer_bunny1913 to clarify further.. I think the above mentioned statistic wouldn't have given more context to the one relevant thing mentioned in the video, "how much time spent training over lifetime", which was mentioned to drive across the point: that in their formative years, pro athletes spent time exploring other areas of interest
they train light all day so they can train all day all year, not exactly being lazy, but in reality hard work. its volume
and no injury.
I think you just changed my life with the pond metaphor. I was at the top of my high school's class but among the worst performers in med school. I didn't even graduate, I left feeling like a failure. I never realised I was comparing myself with the top of the top. Thanks for that :)
I remember my grandmother proudly bragging about regularly working 12 hour shifts at a minimum wage job and was like... Ok so now we are flexing about being exploited into unhealthy working conditions while a guy who does less that 1% of the work gets 80% of the spoils? like it is something to be proud of?! No! that is something to be retroactively furious about looking back not proud of.
no. the minimum wage working didn’t figure out how to make a national chain of grocery stores
and cant run even the store
@@leafster1337 I bet you are a delight in real life lol
As someone who has ADHD and picks up a new hobby every 3 seconds, this makes me feel better.
So basically explore everything, believe in your passion, find it and work it
‘Yes. We came to Lucerne, and I was taken out in a boat. I felt how lovely it was, but the loveliness weighed upon me somehow or other, and made me feel
melancholy.’
Imagine working hard instead of getting enough sleep...
That's actually really really sad :(
I have always told my friends luck plays a very big role in anyone's success
This year I put this theory to the test: I’ve always been a hard worker, but I’ve always tried to stay out of the politics at work, this year I’ve worked less but focused moreso on building relationships in the work center, befriending my bosses bosses and doing alot more social events. Im almost certain I will be promoted next year, I wasn’t ever able to even get any kind of competitive edge at my last work center when I was grinding away every day making sure the job got done right. Im getting promoted now because people like me.
@AsapSCIENCE thank you so much for this video, for years I have felt that there is something more than hard work that favors one to be good at something and knowing that science proves this theory, many people would stop being hard on themselves.
My two cents (after 30 years and counting in my chosen career) is pretty simple: play to your strengths and work hard (yep, work hard) to master them. Conversely, limit time spent improving on “weak areas” unless they’re essential to your profession. Then you’ll be an expert in your field, hopefully be well compensated for your expertise AND enjoy the process of developing skills you care about.
I think there's a basic assumption going on here about what success means. The video assumes success is how you measure up compared to others, and that can be a meaningful measure of success. However, I think in terms of living a satisfying and happy life its better to measure your success against yourself, how have you improved and how are you improving. Someone will always be better than you.
So I'd say in that context working hard isn't a scam at all, its a big part of what you can control to improve your own situation in life.
Agreed, unless you are in a sport or game stop trying to compare yourself to other people and improve yourself.
This video better not just be one big excuse for failures.
This is so nice to hear. I've been told so many times to pick just one thing and that I can't learn two languages or practice two musical instruments at the same time. I thought there was something wrong with me and I tried to 'fix' myself. But now I will just do my thing.
if you get paid hourly, you get no extra compensation for working harder. remember that.
now, if you work in a "worker coop", where the business is collectively, equally, and democratically owned by the people who work there, with no outside stockholders or ceo, then thats a different story, but sadly, americas not ready for THAT idea yet. 🙄
Thank you for putting this video out. I often feel like I'm going nowhere and everywhere at once, and seeing literally what I do as a good strategy for the first time, is the optimism I really need. Thank you. I hope I will add something great to this world one day
i like that you point out successful people should learn a bit humility about their lives. the idea of "hard work leads to success" often turns into an ideology of "failure comes from not working hard" which isn't only logically false but actively harmful. i suffer from various physical and mental diseases and those ideas have harmed me, despite living in Europe where it's not as bad as in North America (especially the US). on the other hand i am grateful for some of the things where i have it better than the average - like good friends and family, or exceptionally good eyesight; and i know those aren't completely due to me being friendly or living in a healthy way, but are mainly a result of luck. doesn't mean i don't strive to achieve a better life, but i don't run around telling people with glasses that they were just too lazy to properly exercise their eyes or whatever. and that's the main point i have: working on improvement _is_ good, no question; just don't assume people who failed did not work hard.. they are probably already chiding themselves over it.
"Give a hard job to a lazy person, because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it"
work hard on yourself not hard for a company or institute but hard for yourself, working hard builds resilience.
needed this. thank you!
One thing missing from this is the factor of class (socioeconomics), which multiple studies have shown is one of the most influential contributing factors in success, often more than genetics and certainly more than hard work. Mentioning such n important factor that has been subject of so many studies, would have made this video even better.
I think that's part of circumstance, I grew up in low income/poor household and I clawed my way up to owning my own company and digging myself out of that hole. It helped I went to a good school and got a partial scholarship at one of the top 3 universities in my country.
@@wanderingfinds2268 No one is saying that one cannot get lucky. The issue is that people attribute all their success solely to hard work when luck plays a massive part in it.
@@wanderingfinds2268 well, I did not do shit aside from being born rich and the uni I am going to is still excellent
Not just socioeconomics but also mental illness. I guess that falls in line with genetics, but I think it should be specifically mentioned. I have OCD and while it may actually help me in some ways, it is usually a MASSIVE drawback in life. The time and energy I spend nurturing my OCD could have been spent on learning 5 languages. It takes me longer to do everything. I was usually always the last one to finish a test. It wasn't because I didn't know the answers. It was because in many dozens of ways from the rounding of a letter to the framing of a sentence, I had to match the OCD standard in my head. Even now when I read, I usually have to organize the words in a sentence into numerical patterns and take note of them. And when I turn a page, I can't have a "bad thought" or else I have to go back and try again -- many times sometimes. As you can see, I was never going to succeed. I don't even know what my intelligence level is, because the OCD has clouded and limited it from how it should be expressing itself. If you don't have any mental illnesses you have a tremendous advantage in life.
5:10 This is how my parents raised me. When I was young they let me try a bunch of different things so I can eventually find my true passion. Eventually, I found my true passion in ecology. I did some cool independent research in my high school years with my science teachers and was able to get into my dream college with my papers! I feel so thankful and blessed to have them as my parents.
I was a competitive swimmer from age 7 through collegiate Division 1 athletics, and this video really struck a chord. Nearly every swimmer I knew (myself included...) who excelled between ages 10-14 became obsolete by the end of high school and in college. On the other hand, the kids who got into the sport around age 12-13 or transitioned into it as a teenager, really peaked in their college years, when it actually matters.
This video really shows how hard work can go to waste if you don’t branch out and take chances.
This explains why I , for some reason become really good at things very quickly 🤔 like my wanting to understand the fundamentals of everything creates a connection relating to something else that I’m good at doing.
For the genetic correlation for high responders. Is it also possible that they were helped by their shared upbringing. Maybe some households practiced more communicable skills to the skill they were training for?
Hard work may not be the sole reason of success but it definitely is a necessary condition. All examples on the video still show that people need to work hard to be an expert in their respective fields, in sports, in academia, in business, etc. Other factors driving success such as genes, network, money and luck provide external conditions that you cannot control. The only thing you can control is your time and effort. In that sense, the heading is misleading.
Exactly
exactly man
I actually find what you are saying misleading. In later life, exposure is something you can control to a degree. Also, awareness is something you can harness, and awareness will help you figure out if you are enjoying what you are doing and if you are having a hard time because you are not working with your natural talents. Blindly following hard work can absolutely be a reason a person is not successful.
I always felt bad knowing others have fixed goals while i was trying out a lot and still not finding the right one and just jumping from one goal to another. Most people go like, focus on one goal, you can't do all together. But i have a lot of things i enjoy and i dont wanna throw away any of it, and this video helped me realise that i dont have to just focus on one thing right now and can spread out my interests and choose one eventually 😄🥳
this really put things in perspective for me. I always try to push myself so hard and when I don't see the same results I get very discouraged. thanks for this vid
Work smart not hard :)
How much of a role does passion play? I feel like genuine interest in something goes a long way. At least in my case.
Definitely plays a role, but for some reason I would dump it with the "genetics" part (of the video/topic). The way I see it, "passion for sprinting", let's say, can likely be explained because you release more endorphins from sprinting than most people. Those who release none probably won't care for sprinting. It can get a little bit complex I guess, you have a passion for baseball, but it's not necessarily the endorphins that come from physical exercise that make you passionate, rather, you happen to live in a city where baseball is valued above all else, and you're genetics send unusual amounts of endorphins from having the most people possible cheering you on, making you feel valued. You had the genetics for good cardio and muscle mass, the mix and sum of all of this combined makes playing as much baseball as possible a no-brainer. But at the root of it, genetics (and environment/luck)
Passion is a symptom/effect rather than a cause/source, I guess is the short version of what I'm trying to say 😅
@@Hubcool367 Yeah, people often forget that our tastes are conditioned.
not if you don't have the money to support your passion.
Yeah it will but sometimes pursing something you’re passionate about won’t pay the bills
The drummer of Meshuggah trained to play the drums for Bleed for 6 months in order to play it live. He was already a brilliant drummer but I feel like time and dedication means more than people think.
This explains so much. This video allowed me to reflect on the paths I've taken and what I'm doing now. Thank you so much!
In real life, working hard is an action to that leads to great achievements and big success, and it’s not a scam. But in the show, it actually is depending on the role that’s being talked about in this video.
I wish that were the case but I have seen too many instances of people working hard and still "failing" at life. Theres a reason people say work smarter, not harder.
As a medical student who’s scoring the lowest in class, I often feel like I should give up. I now understand it is the “big fish small pond effect”. But now that I know what it is, how then, should I keep myself from losing motivation? How do I stop believing I’m a complete loser? (Sorry if my English is bad, not my first language)
in a similar situation but in engineering school.
It seems like it really comes down to comparison. It's definitely easier said than done, but you have to completely stop comparing yourself to your peers. Stop basing your value and sense of self-worth on how you do compared to other people, and start basing it on yourself in isolation. Realize that being in medical school and becoming some sort of doctor is not about being better than your peers, it's about helping other people and potentially saving lives. When you graduate medical school, it doesn't matter where you are in your class, you're still going to be a qualified doctor whose main mission is helping others, not being better than other doctors. I hope that helps you and I wish you good luck!
@@yesnomaybeso9144 Thank you for this advice. Like you said, it’s easier said than done but I’ll try my best to have this mentality
I love how you explain things. I have been saying this since early 2000s from high school. I dont get why so many people dont understand this. And the ones who usually say work harder are the ones who are usually at the top of that field.
Loved all the references from “Range” by David Epstein. Brilliant book.
All of your points definitely have some weight and is backed by Statistics and evidence. Still, hard work is NOT a SCAM. That's possibly the only thing we can control. The title is still a clickbait despite your nuanced position in the video.
He didn't discount hard work, he is saying that its a scam that you can do anything with just hard work and dedication. He is demonstrating how these other factors have a huge effect.
hard work is not a scam (we did it all the time without knowing it anyway); the dogma or enforcement of the idea of hard work as _the_ sole method to success is
While I enjoyed this video, I can’t help but wonder if the top economists from top schools had greater accessibility to publishing vs those at “the worst schools.” Just a thought.
Hard work is the most important thing in life because it's the one variable you have control over. Your genetics are not in your control. That's why you must find your talents and work hard on those things you are talented at.
Love this channel😍Thank Youu!!!
"Working Hard Is a Scam"
*sponsored by Netflix and procrastination*
So ironic that woke shitflix would sponsor this type of vid
It's employer to employee overworked abuse
I was told I'd be a failure by my mom. Dad was around but checked out. I went to college despite their objections. I graduated and became quite successful in my career. I'll give credit for the genetics my personal drive was a much bigger influence. But I did find my niche and pursued it with a passion. Thank you. Great video.
The sampling period factor makes a lot of sense; people who engage in a wide variety of activities have more activities to choose from (as obvious a statement as you could make) and so have a better chance to find the particular thing that they're not just good at but will excel at. Excellence and mastery isn't just a matter of talent plus practice, it also involves intense interest, an alignment of personal values which can provide intrinsic motivation to persist in the activity (eg a teacher who values lifelong learning or an athlete who values healthy competition), and the opportunity to be appropriately challenged in order to develop their skill. Along with skill level, those things also happen to be the ingredients for getting into a "flow" state, which is often where people perform at their peak. I would be interested to see correlations between children with a broad activity sampling and the likelihood of experiencing frequent flow states in their chosen field or activity of expertise.
Thank you so much for this!
Makes me feel so much better about myself. I always thought my interests were like "jack of all trades, master of none" and envied people who were good at one particular thing and getting better at it while I was still trying out soo many things. So thank you❤️
How do I ultimately find out what my thing is? (What I am really good at)🤔
If you try anything remember to try to be good at being happy and treating others kindly. Makes the world go round :)
@I_love_youtubeshorts yeaa your right, thank you😁❤
Working hard is not a scam, thinking you will be the best just by trying hard is. The problem is that you are defining success in relation with others and not within yourself.
Virococha: It is in this case: "I remember my grandmother proudly bragging about regularly working 12 hour shifts at a minimum wage job and was like... Ok so now we are flexing about being exploited into unhealthy working conditions while a guy who does less that 1% of the work gets 80% of the spoils? like it is something to be proud of?! No! that is something to be retroactively furious about looking back not proud of."
For my college this incoming school year, I decided to take Multimedia Arts. I usually tell myself to focus on exploring all fields of media now and then pick something to master in the future. I was worrying this past few weeks that this might not work for me. But watching this video makes me think that I’m doing the right approach in my career. Thank you so much!
I remember watching a TED talk with David Epstein about 'how falling behind can get you ahead' and he goes over how Roger Federer and his sampling period. Very interesting stuff.
Luck beats hardwork!
Always.
Bs, you sound like someone that failed in life and blames it all on "not having luck".
For weaklings, always. The mighty just rely on their own ability though
If hard work mattered I’d be a billionaire by now
But I would argue that it is definietly possible to become very proficient or even close to elite without all that stuff, if you work smartly toward it instead of working hard. Also if you have a skill look at how you may be able to implement aspects from that into your newer discipline, "If you know the way broadly, you will see it in all things", and that will actually help you progress better in your newer discipline. i.e Josh Waitzkin
Surround your self with people who encourage you value you and you'll be just fine
Indeed in current times being a Jack of all trades makes your life easier, we don't have anymore a stable job like our parents, with current crisis we have to change works continuously,so having a range of skills sure pays off.
People need to understand that you should never work hard but always work smart. There are ways to get a task done and still be lazy. I don't mean you don't even want to move an inch, but it's about doing a task with efficiency. Work = Force * Displacement. The more force or displacement you put in, the more work it will require. It's very easy to understand. It's actually way more productive to put about 3-4 hours a day into work and call it a day, instead of cramming 8+ hours.
Company just want you to work longer hours because you're a dispensable tool to them. The moment you can no longer function or continue to work, they'll replace you in a heart beat. Understand that company don't pay you based on how hard you work, but they pay you based on how hard it is to replace you. Therefore, you should never work hard but work smart. Otherwise, they'll expect more out of you and give you more tasks.
"Companies do not pay you based on how hard you work. They pay you based on how hard it is to replace you." Best quote in this entire comment section
But give some tips to work smarter
Thanks I needed this
This video is so important to watch, thanks for making this
Professional classical violinist here. I hate to break it to you, but it isn't "talent" that creates most "talented" musicians. It's hard work. Hard work beats "talent" every single time. We may think, oh this kid/adolescent/adult is so TALENTED... but if you look closer, they all spend many hours a day practicing their craft. Sure, some people are innately more gifted than others. But a gifted musician who does not practice will always fail next to a less gifted musician who works very hard. Those who are more innately gifted may trend towards practicing more, because they see immediate feedback from their work. Those who are innately less gifted may feel practice is frustrating, and not work as hard, therefore, not progress as far. As someone who teaches classical music, I know for a fact that those who spend more time in the practice room beat those who don't almost every single time.
Well, billionaires literally just let their workers do all the work and take all the money, so I'd say that hard work is kinda overrated.
Okay TRUPE
So work smarter not harder…like the billionaires
Workers don't do shit except break their backs for pennies. Slap a multi-million dollar enterprise in front of an average joe and watch his brain fry itself trying to comprehend the different levers of leadership.
@@moggingyou If by "work smarter" you mean explointing people...
@@fexofenadinaGenerica yeah that’s smart
I love seeing Mitch and Greg’s faces on these Asapscience videos 😄 It’s quite an interesting perspective on that hard work does not equal success because we are often told the opposite. A lot of luck and privilege is involved with success, but hard work does increase the odds
On a similar topic can you do a video about late bloomers vs early achievers ? This can be in career, relationships or biologically
Thank you!! Great video!
"Successful" people simply put in the effort and had enough luck to find what they're good at, and that thing happened to be profitable.