They Might Ban Archaludon. But Why?
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- Pokemon Competitive Singles has been turned on it's head with the release of the "Indigo Disk" DLC. Archaludon and it's powerful new signature move Electro Shot have led to an enormous rise in Rain teams.
Archaludon Rain has been one of the most popular and successful archetypes in Smogon Premier League, leading to this Suspect test for Archaludon.
Is this Bridge-Themed Fellow too powerful? Or are we overreacting? Let's discover the truth.
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Electrode was used in this high level Gen 3 OU tournament. This is insane.
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liking your own message is gaming par excellence
i can’t sleep AND I CAN’T CROSS LARGE GAPS ???
the OU council has gone insane !
This is a bridge too far, folks
"Adapt to Archaludon using skill" sounds like a good strategy.
"nah I would adapt"
@@anannoyingweeb359archaludon is truly the mahoraga of OU. It adapts to every move with a stat raise, and the strategy against it is the same: try to defeat it in as few hits as possible
@@anannoyingweeb359are you the strongest because you’re Archaludon or are you Archaludon because you’re the strongest
Like we did with Baxcalibur and Last Respects?
@@Mercury-oy1zd”with this pokeball I summon…”
my favorite part of gen 9 will always be Clodsire holding the meta together. Somehow most of the banned threats are able to be checked by Clodsire, the cousin of Uber killer Quagsire
The big boy is just carrying on the family tradition
First the OU council ban sleeping, and now bridges are also being banned?
This is just like that Book 1984. (I haven't read it, but i assume it was about competitive Pokemon).
Oh I started reading that for school the other day!!
Yeah that’s exactly how it goes they ban Archaludon & there are these posters everywhere that say “Old Money is watching you”
That's nothing compared to having a box put around your head and having it filled with Ratata, or was it Patrat 🤔
@@SproingBoing alolan Rattata for sure
Bought the book last week, and I had to stop reading when Gholdengo turned out to be the villain
At least in 1984 they don't have to ban anything.
Archaludon would simply vanish, and it's usage stats are scrubbed from the servers.
Archaludon never got banned, because it never existed.
They refuse to let Gholdengo leave OU. This is insane.
It's literally everything wrong with the tier
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"This is madness!"
"This. Is. SMOGON!!"
It’s simply beyond ridiculous
@@jpraise6771 I think this guy has the right idea. Only divine intervention can save gen 9 now
Gholdengo's good as gold prevents it from getting banned from ou 😂
So banning is a status move, gotcha.
We need the next Legends game to introduce Ban Hammer, a 65BP/90ACC steel move that leaves the opponent banned
New signature move for conkeldurr
For me, "ban hammer" should be a fighting type move that works similar to fake out, but instead of flinching, it forces the opponent to switch out...
@@AriehAnkri Ban hammer is a move in pokemon clover, but it’s a normal-type move that torments the target, I do like your idea tho.
So, three things.
1. My favorite bridge is the one I cross everytime I go outside to buy a coffee
2. Archaludon is my boy and I love it a lot, I shiny hunted Duraludon for it not once but four times, just to give three of them to my friends
3. Weird to not see any update on Iron Muglis and co., hopefully they're not at it!
Smogon targeting you specifically frfr
@@BloodyVoyager word
I think that we should cut out the middle man and make only corsola legal, making a resurgence of the greatest competitive metagame of all time: the corsola cup
Corsola was recently banned in ADV ZeroUsed, it's truly too powerful for OU and the council is scared
Can we use Corsola-Galar though? Would really shake up the meta
Gholdengo is paying off the whole smogon council to not ban him LOL
Wait till they add it's past paradox form old money as well as it's future paradox form late stage capitalism
Make it rain 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Archaludon being broken has very little to do with Gholdengo
If they get rid of Arch thats 1 less reason to run ghold as a hard check
Has to be the only reason, like by now I thought I would have seen a video talking about him getting the hammer... Man money really can fix anything if you are made of it.
tbh i liked how Arch's signature move isn't some ridiculous STAB move. I think they could stand to do that more often, creating signature moves that don't have stab.
I’m pretty sure that’s why they opted to make a boosting charge move, with a way to circumvent the charge draw-back.
@@EvraeFreliaWeather circumvented the charge. The boost is unnecessary, especially considering how generally useful electric coverage is.
@@amazingkool hence the “way to circumvent the charge draw-back”. I do think the boost was unnecessary, they basically gave it a meteor beam on steroids.
So which electric type will get it next gen
It's very fitting that indigo disk dlc apparently takes place in unova. Especially since archaludon has everything that was very strong back then, dragon and steel types with weather synergy
Complete with a Fighting move, even if it’s Body Press
I always said "ARK-a-loo-don" but of course it's "ARCH," like a bridge. Thank you Jimothy for setting me straight.
Electro Shot feels like a combination of Solar Beam and Meteor Beam, but weirdly it's given more base power than either of those moves. If it only was the rain equivalent of Solar Beam it'd be a much more fair move but then I suppose it's just a slightly stronger Thunder but it's always felt like Rain is superior to Sun as is - you get 100% accurate Thunder _and_ Hurricane, the Pokemon who get a speed doubling effect are almost always Water-type rather than a type which is weak to the power-boosted Water moves under rain, and Hydration is a superior ability to Leaf Guard.
Electro shot isn’t stab tho, hence the base power I thibj
it is the year 2039, the gen 9 OU has been ravaged, the third impact from the council at smogon has banned every pokemon in the national dex, except for 2 sitting on the shore of a desolate battlefield. As the colossal corpse of Great tusk lay dead in the bloody water; its defining tusks lay shattered, pieces of ivory were lying in the mud and rubble as its lifeless head rolled to the side looking straight back at the shore like a mannaquin where Gholdengo and Kingambit sat down on the shore, their mission finally over, to be the last ones standing before the end of everything.
But at what cost? The 2 of them didn't have smiles of confidence on their face. Gholdengo lay down in his pile of stealth rocks and spikes and looked over to Kingambit who was forcing an ant into making a 50/50, his supreme overlord ability made him the strongest being that would ever live but no one would witness it, Gholdengo whispered in a husky dry rasp "How disgusting" before proceeding to make it rain all over the parched ground where no one would see it.
That was Chat gpt Right?
@@jorgenhals3542 bro i don't even think chatgpt has been trained on 2022 information yet why would it be chatgpt anyway it's just a meme paragraph about smogon
"Are you the strongest because you're Kingambit? Or are you Kingambit because you're the strongest?"
@@jorgenhals3542 no i typed that out myself
This made my day 😂😂 you have a way with words
King gambit and Gholdengo just chilling
Archaludon might be getting banned from gen 9 OU.
It never seems to end, does it folks?
Will this meta game ever stop banning things?
Will we ever reach stability?
Archaludon is currently being suspect tested
@@lagmanrealtrustmewhen GF stops releasing insane mons that get +1 four existing, sure
Drop down every banned ou mons and see what happened
Honestly, we’d probably end up right back here. Bans are mostly based on community input. I’d find it hard to believe that even quick banned mons would garner enough player support to stay for long.
With all the op shit they unbanned in the 2nd dlc i wouldnt be surpriser if they do that again lmao
Flutter Mane takes over the meta
@@SeriousStrikerAgain?
There's a tier called Ubers UU if you're interested
"Will this metagame ever stop banning things?"
When Gholdengo is the last mon in the tier.
i think people underestimate how much archaludon is slowed down by other weather. archaludon pretty much always wants to click electro shot when it comes in, but if you have ninetales or torkoal or ttar you can pretty much switch for free. ninetales and ttar are threatened by arch's other moves, but it's more something you can do to get rid of rain before switching in to your designated ground type. if you don't do that, barraskewda can switch in and be a pest.
also- something i've noticed is that archaludon generally doesn't like dealing with special iron treads. super effective body press doesn't even do that much without stamina boosts, and treads outspeeds even under webs. plus, treads can tera ghost if body press is gonna do a lot of damage. of course, treads isn't doing an insane amount of damage back, but it does 2 shot as long as arch doesn't tera and if you give it volt switch it croaks pelipper too. alternatively, i've seen sets with thunder be used which while awe inspiring and able to one shot pelipper i imagine the set sucks when you're not fighting rain.
anyway, i honestly like archaludon. it's a new kind of pokemon for rain to use and i'd miss it if it ends up being banned. it is a very frightening pokemon to fight- somewhat reminiscent of baxcalibur and volcarona- though less overbearing, if you ask me. bax and volc can wipe teams but archaludon doesn't have the speed to do that, and unlike volcarona isn't able to heal, weaken enemies, or improve its own bulk. i'm also a fan of electro shot, mainly because i have just always found snowballers fun to play with. skeledirge is kind of similar, but i like the rain reliance archaludon has, and how it's more offensively inclined than dirge.
i think that archaludon is a pokemon vastly empowered by the presence of tera, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion if it couldn't tera fairy or tera flying on literally anything. that being said, i wouldn't call it the biggest tera abuser in the format and i'd rather be seeing a kingambit or volcarona suspect test. everyone may have their eyes on rain right now but i think that archaludon is much less low impact. i mean, have you ever seen arch wipe teams the way volcarona and kingambit can? in my experience, it heavily dents part of a team and then goes down due to a lack of speed/priority, even if it is very bulky and hard hitting.
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Counterplay? no, people need to ban a new threat as soon as it arrives
Switching in your weather mon into Arch is a way to instantly throw the game. Alolan Ninetails hit 4x by flash cannon, ttar hit 4x by bodypress, Torkoal explodes to a Draco.
@@JumbaJumby bro obviously don't if you know that they're not clicking electro shot- but electro shot is such a free move that they *are* going to click electro shot unless there is a direct benefit for using a different move against the current target.
have you never heard of a double switch before?
Ah I understand. Switch to my weather mon if they're clicking Electroshot, don't if they're not. Understood. Predict my opponent's play exactly. Got it. Great plan.
Not to mention that you aren't directly rewarded for switching a weather mon in. Like okay now you get a free switch to Tusk or Treads, but that's it. If you don't have a ground type he's still getting the spatk buff and firing off the electric move on whatever comes in anyway. You better hope you have something that beats him when he already has +1.
I'm not saying he's unbeatable, but relying on the opponent to do the equivalent of Torkoal Solarbeam into a rain team is insanity. We all know you're going Pelipper in that case.
Same applies here. Going into the weather mon is the obvious play, and there's no downside to draco. Something gets chunked. If it's Torkoal, gg.
@@JumbaJumby as opposed to not doing that and getting blasted by barraskewda? also, you do realise that the special attack boost triggers no matter what, right? it's not part of the attack, it's part of the charge. that means if the attack is blocked by a ground type or protect, arch still gets the boost.
electro shot does the same damage as draco while making you more powerful- unless arch has an immediate benefit from using draco instead, it's not likely to use it. and it's *certainly* never clicking flash cannon instantly unless the opponent is already weak, so your example actually falls apart against ninetales.
double switches are valuable, dude. of course when i say in a comment i'm gonna double switch you say you're gonna predict it because i've already told you i'm double switching but in the context of an actual game it's not that simple. yes, they can predict a double switch, but are they going to? they often don't. and if they do? well, gg, i've been outplayed. *not!* eat this headlong rush, punk. except actually don't, i know they're about to switch into pelipper so i switch again into like kyurem or something i don't really care
see what i did there? in a comment, i'm making an artificial situation that isn't real. that means i can always just respond with the correct move in my artificial situation. an actual game isn't like that
I cant wait for meteor beam to be instant in sandstorm
Jugulis best Sand Abuser fr
Still only 90% accurate bc good Rock moves are still mostly frowned upon
And the funniest thing about this thought is that Archaludon also has Meteor Beam
it is not broken they said. just use a special attacker they said.
Knock off exists
What special attackers?
There’s little to no special STAB Earth Power and Aura Sphere users, and the few that exists are either:
A) not good in OU like Kommo-o or Keldeo
B) absent completely like Nidoking
or
C) is a a mixed attacker that prefers to run Close Combat like Iron Valiant and Blaziken
or
D) banned in the special case of Ursaluna Blood-Moon
Seeing the sleep decision I wouldn’t be surprised to see a council ban to rain in SV OU.
Ngl but that would be hilarious, we gonna reach a point where:
NO WEATHER TEAMS
NO SLEEP
ACTUALLY REMOVE PARALYSIS TOO
REMOVE CONFUSION TOO, IT HAS RNG
ACTUALLY REMOVE EVERY MOVE THAT HAS A CHANCE TO MISS/SECONDARY EFFECT, THAT IS RNG BASED
Gen 9 ou will be filled with pokemon that can only use tackle and growl and only then it will be balanced
@@AmoniPaleopost elo
@@blazikenafonso2758 Gen 9 is one of the gens of all time
@@AmoniPaleowhat's your elo? Or tournament results?
@@AmoniPaleo para ban more reasonable than sleep ban ngl
gholdengo bribing the smogon council to not ban it
electro shot is such a wild move i can't even, like it's solar beam but you get +1 spatk it even has a higher bp than solar beam
I wish Solar Beam did the same thing. And same with Solar Blade for Attack.
What if Solar AND Meteor beam :)
They should just ban electro shock outright. Or ban its use in rain/in drizzle team. There is no need to ban a pokemon.
@@nimrod06 the issue with banning moves when only one Mon is using it is it sets a bad precedent. Now that electro shot is banned, what's next? Are we gonna test necrozma with photon geyser banned? Rayquaza without dragon ascent? It's better to let the single Mon be banned so it would still be used in ubers and get to click its favorite button
@@thatsabruhmoment17 Nah you can still use the move in uber. It is not precedented to ban moves/moves under certain condition (baton pass, for example).
"Ban Gholdengo or draw 25"
Smogon council: *nervous sweating*
ok this is just plain wrong.
Smogon would draw 25 in a HEARTBEAT
Smogon Council, holding 250 cards that they've drawn by making this exact decision 10 times already: **I'LL DRAW 25!**
You realize the community is what chooses this, right? It's not the council?
@@martinwilches6583 These people cannot think, let them be
@@orangeman3505mob mentality is crazy 🤑
War never ends. Weather Wars II. Featuring Fuhrer Gambit.
Shit joke & personally offended by it
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Gen 9 for a year with the same 3 Mon’s being meta (Great Tusk, Kingambit, Gholdengo): 🥰🥰🥰
Gen 9 when another 3 Mon’s are meta (Archaludon, Pelipper, Barrascewda): 😡😡😡
Yes, something being meta is the reason things are banned, that's why Landorus-Therian is Ubers since gen 5
You mean landorus incarnate?@@pedrovin20
Landorus incarnate wasn't banned for being a meta staple tho?@@GeraldWilbourn-nk9yn
Smogon are cry babies, literally. As soon as something affects the meta game, they refuse to adapt and use their brains to adapt to the new threat, but rather go and about it and ban the new threat.
@@Bismarck-S i agree,smogon should just drop zacian-crowned to ou,the meta game will be able to adapt
I feel like this is one of those cases where a complex ban would solve the situation, kinda like anhialape being broken just because of one move, but they can't ban the move because nothing else has it, and even if duraludon got it i doubt it will be viable in ou, let alone banworthy.
Overall i like archaludon but if banning it makes the metagame more balanced then it's the right thing to do
Tusk and Gambit might be the most used in OU, but this generation really belongs to gholdengo
They instant insant unban Darkrai, instant ban sleep, suspect test Archaludon, but they refuse to look at Gholdengo.
New toy sindrome?
Because gholdengo isn’t op. It was probably op before the dlc but now it’s pretty balanced
@@jasons1217 "it isn't op"
*appears on most teams*
@@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672 So?
@@gamincaimin9954 if it appears in most team, it is either:
Complete bias from everyone (for some reason) OR its bcs its OP.
Favorite new mon they added to the DLC, I hunted for a shiny Duraldon to evolve. Not a super fun hunt in the snow, but super awesome mon.
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One of the first successful suspension bridges, it was finished before 1900...
Classic look to the towers...
And lots of interesting stories about the building of it.
I'm not going to say that it's my favorite bridge ever, but I am personally attached to the Tillikum Crossing bridge in Portland.
It's aesthetically pleasing with a modern design and nice colors to light it up at night, but the main appeal is that it does not allow for normal traffic. It's exclusively a bridge for pedestrians and public transit (not in the same lanes obviously), and that makes it stand out.
I like how every weather currently is viable, sun and rain are by far the best ones but snow with choice specs kyurem is seeing alot of success and with the reintroduction of excadrill, sand has also been good lately
Would you ever consider bringing on some high level gen 9 players for this discussion? I feel like the community is largely unaware what actually is used in tournaments and that causes a significant disconnect from why certain mons are looked at compared to others. For example archduraladons win rate and ko rate in the first 3 weeks of SPL significantly overshadows most other mons
I understand that Archaludon is a problem in SPL but as far as i can tell it's not causing those some problems on ladder. Which leads to my follow-up question: Why does the ladder have to be affected by the meta of the SPL? Imo the way you play and teambuild in SPL is different enough from the ladder not to mention the people who play SPL vs those who play Ladder might also be very different people with different goals or reasons for playing not to mention that the ladder makes up the vast majority of the playerbase, SPL has to be a small fraction of that. So again i'm left asking myself: Why do the problems of the SPL have to affect the ladder if the problems themselves don't overlap? (in cases where they do overlap then of course you can enforce the same ruling in both places)
If you want a place for the SPL players to practice you can just make an SPL Tier or format or allow the players to practice against each other in private/custom matches (which i assume Smogon has).
This reminds me a lot of Annihilape, the mon is definitely good but probably not broken, it's just pushed over the edge by an unbalanced move. They did (eventually) make the right call by banned Last Respects and unbanning Houndstone but it would be nice to see some of these insane new moves get banned instead of the pokemon, even if they're the only user
This.
The thing of archaludon is that its never going to get ohko by any non boosted atack like, it tanks an great tusk headlong rush or an iron valiant aura sphere and can destroy them with flash canon for valiant and draco meteor for great tusk
Gholdengo is basically your top thumbnail pokemon
the description has the link to the old outro song fyi
woops, thanks
Gotta say I'm partial to the Village Bridge. Great musicians there.
George Washington Bridge is pretty impressive. The fact that it is a double decker 14 lane suspension bridge is pretty crazy. I drove over it recently and was in awe of its size.
OP plz ban
In my experience of Random Battles Archaludon is an absolute menace. So often you don't have decent super effective special coverage to handle it as it has so few weaknesses, which forces you to resort to physical attack playing into the stamina ability. Obviously it can be dealt with, but it is not uncommon to see it and just know you're completely stuffed because you have nothing.
Chaos route: unban baxcalibur so hail gets into the weather war.
Favorite bridge? Village Bridge of course.
I just moved to Kansas City and right now the Christopher S Bond bridge is my favorite bridge in the world. It's a very unique cable stayed design off a central leaning arch support. Super elegant!
Though I made a special, “different” rain team to get to the 1700’s. Little did I know that I just started using the basic core a little early
So at what point do they ban the stage setting abilities, no more drizzle, drought, x terrain, when generic open teambuilding is encouraged, those abilities "require" rigid cores to function and are hard to answer without canceling the field effect in any way. Same as Baton pass chains in the past, same argument. Either you have the counter and win, or you don't and loose.
But no, OU counsil likes to ban top dog, by top dog till another problem arises, UUBER soon will be the new OU.
Except UUbers metagame sucks rn and nobody plays it after its initial release...
Cloud nine Haze user with Focus Miss: *cries in lack of bulk*
Tower Bridge in London has got to be my favourite as a brit, Personally I think it would be interesting to see smogon try and run a seperate tier "open OU" which could see a lot of these suspect pokemon brought back and just allow it to develop unchecked for a few months (no bans, no tier shifts, sleep allowed). Seeing as the meta for most of the generation has been surrounded with controversial bans having basically a "chaos in a box" meta might be whats needed to give the council something they can see if counters will develop and which pokemon are ban worthy or could return
it didn't feel all that strong to me since i started playing again yesterday, but to be fair, i've been running protosynthesis sun teams, and the one i kept winning with today had both Great tusk and sunny day whirlwind Ting lu so maybe my games are a bit of an outlier.I do think sunny day Tng lu can be quite nice, especially if you have something like tera ghost or dragon for either spinblocking rocks or setting spikes/sunny day against pelliper. also i've been loving whirlwind to mess with screen and rain turns as well as getting stealth rock chip and threatening ruinations on every unsuspecting pokemon under the sun! (Literally). also walking wake is god-like and Obliterates Archaludon,
Love the ctc footage. Everytime there is something evil to use, you can be sure to see him doing it
With so many new pokemon released and old Pokémon returning since SV's initial release due to the DLC and Home connectivity, I wonder how different the Smogon OU tier / ban list would look if they unbanned everything now and went through the whole ban process from scratch.😢
It would probably look the same since I don’t really see any reason to let any of the bans back into OU
Seems to me that if there’s an issue here it’s electro shot. IIRC archaludon (and smeargle I guess) is the sole user. Given that both dlcs are out and as such it’s highly unlikely that any new abusers are going to be introduced, why not ban the move rather than the whole Pokémon?
Gen 5 has a lot of standout bridges but the one I can't help but adore is the Village Bridge with its dynamic bgm. (seriously why did gen 5 go so hard on bridges)
How much of this development is happening as a result of the sleep bans? Or have those two meta aspects been developing in paralell with sleep just being the first to be adressed.
There has been no development with sleep. Council simply didn't like it anymore. Amoongus was a great Arch switch in so of course it's better now that spore is gone. But even now Arch is not broken. It just works. And any new, strong strategy gets suspected or quick banned nowadays. It's just a new rain abuser that's a bit different than usual. Any other weather or strong special attacker can threaten it.
I just think electroshot shouldn't basically have 0 consequence in rain, either get rid of the spa boost or nerf the damage a bit and make it that you only get a spa boost once would make it less busted, also 130 defense and stamina is just a really goofy decision
i love arch in double battles, he’s very strong next to both maushold and rillaboom
where do you get the sprites for the opening segment?
I'm partial to the Mackinac bridge, myself. It's the fantastic suspension bridge that connects the upper and lower peninsulas of Michigan.
Im going back to my favourite Gen 4 OU. This is insane
Honestly, going to this video, I was pretty firmly of the belief that Archaludon was nothing too centralizing for the metagame-and I still don’t think it’s a terribly broken threat. However, after hearing the points you’ve made, I can definitely understand the point of view of people who feel otherwise. I think it does provide some very useful defensive and offensive capabilities to various team structures, most obviously rain, and it’s been keeping the DLC2 meta fun and exciting. I’m certain that we will find ways to adapt to it and play around it as time goes on, though.
Skyarrow Bridge is undefeated.
here’s a nooby question: would banning just electro shot be out of the question? what’s the general thought process of banning a pokemon vs a single move on a pokemon if that’s what really makes it problematic?
My favorite bridge would probably have to be Bridge of Spies. Tom Hanks was electric in that film much like how Archaludon is electric in the rain.
I like the guitar version of Vendaturf town
The fact that Game Freak made a Solar Beam variant for rain teams doesn't surprise me, I actually think that was a lovely idea, albiet one that Thunder technically, functionally already fills the niche of.
The fact that they said "It needs an extra buff, so it hits harder" and gave it *two of them* both the meteor-beam boost to sp Attack *and* an extra 10 bp is *hilarious* like, what did they think was gonna happen? This move hits for almost 200bp with the boost!
Pultney Bridge in Bath, England. They really knew they were cooking up something great with that one.
Pretty funny that barraskda was ru or nu before the dlc and rain just brought it back to ou I don’t think they is a Pokemon that is so reliant on weather to make it good besides from barra
I don't get why they need to make Electro Shot give the +1 boost BEFORE it connects. Even if you swap in a Ground type and immune the Electro Shot, it still threatens with +1 Draco Meteor. Can't really pivot on it either because of Stamina.
Can someone explain to me why we can't just ban electro shot instead of the whole mon?
Cause it opens it up to a complex ban. They really don’t want to complex ban because it opens a whole can of worms to what needs to be balanced and despite what people say, they just want to have strict rules to follow.
For instance, if they ban Electro Shot… then someone can start petitioning to ban Sucker Punch on Kingambit. Ban Thunderclap on Raging Bolt. Ban X, ban Y, ban Z. But now you ban one thing, but the mon is still incredibly strong and starts to dominate after another set of ban waves. Then you need to look at it again and maybe ban another move. Then another for like 20 other mons. It is simpler to just remove one option in the beginning. And I am not slippery sloping… gen 5 had so many complex bans that Excadrill was being used as a Sand Team COUNTER on Rain Teams cause they banned Excadrill + Sand Stream. That is how things get nutty so fast and no one wants a repeat of that fiasco. Baton Pass complex bans also resulted in complex ban PTSD.
Another reason is that most bans come off of community voting. If the community says Arch is not broken, they can vote for it to stay. People often forget that Smogon tiers are run by fans for fans. If the playerbase (and I mean people that play this seriously to climb) say they want X, they can make it happen.
They are willing to even mess with the entire system to more closely resemble the cart (body slam not paralysing normals in gen 1 games and the discovery of Sleep Talk mechanics in others).
OU concept in itselft restricts variety, just let not competent enough pokémon to be demoted to UU, instead of restricting every mon out there, Ubers tier should be applied to pokémon like mewtwo annd its fellows "heavily overtuned" that concept its only applicable relative to others, and if there are too many off them that should clearly indicate that some other pokémon are just not good enough to be used in OU format.
4:36 “At what point does the meta become rain vs anti-rain”
Gen 5 OU moment lol
taking gholdengo away from ou is like putting an icicle into the sahara desert
the thing melts
anyways arch probably shouldn't be banned it doesn't seem like it's too much for the tier despite being really really good
One thing this video missed: Archaludon's one defensive weak spot is it's mediocre special defense, which means that Earth Power or Focus Blast should do massive damage to it - except that it always runs assault vest to cover this weakness.
This video also showed Slowking-G coming into "check" Archaludon by changing the weather with Chilly Reception but you eat at least one electro shot to do this, giving Archaludon essentially a free set-up while also chunking your Slowking-G heavily. Clodsire and Ting-Lu are really the closest thing to a check this guy has, but Clodsire needs to choose between unaware to check Archaludon better or water absorb to be able to deal with Archaludon's teammates. It restricts team building more than many other mons in the meta right now and, at least from my view, should be banned.
My favorite bridge is definitely the Golden Gate Bridge in the San Francisco Bay area. Or Gholden Gate Bridge, if the past paradox pokemon Old Money has anything yo say about it.
I think the problem isn't the pokemon, but the move. An electric rain solar/meteor beam is pretty over-the-top, but the mon itself without that move is perfectly fine
i’ll miss you barraskewda….. see you in RU old friend……….
Potentially broken signature move, extremely physically bulky with a useful ability and access to Body Press, very strong special attack stat making it a ‘no wasted investment’ mixed attacker because of BP mechanics, fantastic typing. It’s got pretty much everything you could ask for. Vulnerable on the special side but not catastrophically and can use assault vest, and not the fastest but fast enough to outrun uninvested mons.
At least Electro Shot is not stab (if you don't Tera Electric).
My fav bridge is the unnecesary round one in Uruguay, such beautiful design
5:33
Gen 9 really is Gen 5 all over again
Finally, tera ground golduck’s time to shine
If is a problem, just ban electro shot, i used whit out rain, and is a good mon, just good soporte, i mean, they ban all the sleep for darkrai, wyy not electro shot for archaludon
It's not even electro shot or rain that makes it hard to counter, it's defensive Tera as usual just potentially throwing counterplay out the window.
Even just surviving one more turn than usual enables threats as strong as this to snowball into potentially killing an entire team.
Commodore-Barry bridge in New Jersey is the GOAT
There’s really nothing special about London Bridge to the untrained eye, it’s the same as Westminster Bridge, Waterloo Bridge, etc. Tower Bridge is the iconic bridge in London and has to be up there on the world stage.
I’d say the iconic bridges in the world are Tower Bridge, the Golden Gate Bridge, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, and Charles Bridge (in Prague).
For bridge connoisseurs, there’s Szechenyi Chain Bridge in Budapest, Helix Bridge in Singapore, the Bridge of Sighs in Venice, the Millau Viaduct in France, Lupu Bridge in Shanghai, the Boniface Bridge in Bruges, or the Royal Gorge Bridge in Colorado.
For me personally, I’m about function over form. The Severn Bridge, the Hangzhou Bay Bridge, and some of the bridges we’ve already mentioned, great for reducing travel times. But the Oresund Bridge wins for me, for dramatically cutting the land journey between Sweden and the main European peninsula.
Archaludon is absolutely insane and in my opinion absolutely banworthy. There's just so little counterplay. You mentioned Great Tusk threatening it, but i can't even tell you how many times i have switched a Great Tusk into an Electro Shot just to get outsped and OHKO'd by a +1 draco meteor the next turn (because even though it does 0 damage, it still gives you the +1 SpAt because it is a 2 turn move). The only real check is Clodsire, but even Clodsire isn't an absolute counter. It has to run Unaware to check Archaludon which means it can just freely spam Draco Meteors, which almost 2HKO Clodsire unless you run Max HP and High SpDef, meaning Clodsire has to run a specific set to counter the monstrous bridge. And even then it can't hit it with Toxic, so it has to either go for Yawn or for Base 75 Attack (no EV investment) Earthquakes which doesn't even 2HKO it back and since Archaludon is most often paired with Pelipper and Barraskewda, Pelipper can just come in on an earthquake to threaten huge damage or barraskewda can come in (while that is riskier) and threaten an absolute OHKO, no matter the EVS. In order to kill just that one f*cking Bridge, you have to sacrifice at least one pokemon a lot of the time if not played perfectly which is super annoying and really restricts the meta, which is why i think it is very unhealthy and deserves to be put into Ubers to get 0% usage rate until the end of time.
Archaludon is just another example of how insane Gen 9 is. Even with relatively slow speed and bad SpDef it can just stick around forever and use its one-turn Meteor Beam without having to worry about Power Herb. It probably should go, but I wouldn't mind it staying. The metagame is just so volatile that I don't know if it even is the main culprit
I will ban a thousand mons before I even question gholdengo
I've been officially checked out of gen 9 for a while. (OU that is, still dabble in the lower tiers).
Its been nice to go back and play Gen 1 and Gen 3. _Gen 2 is too stally for me don't let BKC hear he'll make another 40 minute video..._
Don't forget the "satire" rant that is 4 minutes long!
Barraskewda and Archaludon are incredibly difficult for stall to check together. Clodsire can check Arch but it's gonna be running unaware, so Skewda gets in and chunks Dondozo.
Alolamola or any kind of hazards:
@@watery2211what is mola gonna do against electro shot again? also stall can set hazards but it can’t reasonably do enough damage with them before they get nuked with that much raw power
@@midnightemerald They are talking about barrasweka being able to chunk dondozo, but most stall teams run alolamola to counter barrasweda.
Of course stall can't beat a full rain team with just one mon, and ofc I'm talking about alolamola in conjunction with clodsire...
@@watery2211 i don’t get the argument being made here, it’s not like skewda clicks anything besides flip turn in rain allowing it to pivot into archaludon or treads depending on what’s on the field.
@@midnightemerald uh, yes it clicks flip turn, mola regens that off, if they go to arch just go to clodsire. If they go to treads just scald. You are playing stall, it isn't that hard...
I wonder if Archaludon would still be broken even if it had the same BST as Duraludon.
One thing I was hoping would happen to Archaludon was that it would have the same BST as Duraludon with better distribution of stats. Similar to how Scizor has the same BST as Scyther.
Unfortunately, Game Freak chose violence and Archaludon has a stupidly high BST that rivals pseudo-legendaries in strength. But as the video showed, Archaludon's BST is the least of our problems with this Pokémon.
Was/Is Archaludon the bridge we need to burn? Or should we turn our eyes at Gholdengo, the main sponcer of the pyrotechnics?
Archaladon is a mere low kick from a Focus Sash Meow from needing to be repaired.
Edit: I just checked on the ‘pedia.
Archie is 60kgs🥴🤷🏾♂️
low kick to a classic 0def 204hp archaludon does 50-60% after wich it gets a def boost. the next low kick does not even have a chance of ko-ing. even so if you were to lead meow and they lead anything else the can safely switch into arch as you will most likely not go for low kick and transform into any other type therefore doing even less damage.
Surprisingly archaludon is light
Imo it probably should be banned. It just punishes so many basic strategies and can easily blow massive holes in the enemy team. All it takes is one bad uturn and now it has a defense buff and beats its counters. It has a reliance on rain, but that's not a big deal at all. Even if you whiff the electric move into a groundtype or a protect, you still get the spatk buff. You have to act fast or it scales into absurdity, but it can punish offense mons bigtime with draco. And unless it terras it resists rocks and immune to tspikes.
It's just a bulky monster that you always feel like a moment away from losing the game if you give it the slightest momentum.
We’re in the dragons den with this one folks
Do you have a Archaludon on Rain team for pokepaste?
I think archaludon is another mon that the community would benefit from revealed tera types for. Since dragon steel is such a good defensive typing, it only has 2 weaknesses and they both lose to flying tera - but in reality, it could tera to so many different types just to be neutral, or resistant to just one of the weaknesses. With the combination of electro shot boosting it's offense, stamina boosting it's defense, the tera type it has is just as volatile as kingambit.
It literally only uses Tera fairy
@@watery2211 that's only in the video. Players on the ladder will vary their tera. I've seen all sorts of tera types on archaludon, including ghost, flying, water, dragon, and fighting.
@@isuckatgaming1873 but the only good one is fairy. Ladder is ladder and tournament is tournament.
Even if you knew the arch was Tera fairy 100% of the time(and you should), it will still be just as busted as before.
@@watery2211 I said the community would benefit, not that the mon would be perfectly balanced. The same applies to kingambit, the main mon that people want revealed tera for - there are perfect defensive teras for that, but even if you know they are running that tera, you can't guarantee they will tera on any given turn. If you know a gambit is tera fairy, and you have a poison move, you still have to 50 50 since poison don't hit steel.
We know that reveled teras won't stop good things being good, and broken things being broken. The council also knows that. However, what we can do is make the broken stuff more clear by removing factors that could be clouding our judgement. Sometimes you don't realize something is good or bad until you remove something else that was distracting you. Hence, we go through extraneous testing to ensure the metagame is fun.
Furthermore, the ladder is just as important as tournament. The vast majority of the community doesn't play in tournament. Thus, ladder games are taken into consideration. Ladder usage is also a factor in determining what gets ranked in which tier. It has importance, as it represents a large part of the playerbase, and thus needs to be factored in when making judgements.
@@isuckatgaming1873 my guy, I was never talking about whether tera rev on teampreview was a good thing or not. You are babbling about nothing.
All I was talking about was that 1. Arch is still busted with revealed tera because 2. It really only runs tera fairy. And 3. when I said ladder being ladder... I meant you aren't gonna see tera ghost, and stuff like that in actual tournaments. Just low ladder gimmicks.
why they did that, solar beams works the same, but doesn't give you the sp atk boost