Theory: The Rift in Odins Basement is connected to or an entrance to Athena’s higher plane of existence, The runes on the Mask were not Norse. Odin stated that it held the truth, and Athena said “I see truths where I did not before”. They are also both a glowing green colour. The only problem is that Athena is grey in GOW 2018 but apart from that it could make sense
When I saw the mask, that rift and Odins statememts that it will "give him all the answears and truth" from the start I thought of higher plane of existence. Atreus did the right thing but still it would be great to see what was on the other side. But I think it will be answeared in the future when the time comes just as horn.
2018 Athena is likely in his head. I think the sheer stress and anticipation of getting the blades back makes Kratos manifest her image in his head. I don’t know is she’s grey or not in the comic though!
the one who blew the horn was following Kratos & Atreus, which likely means they will still be doing so. from a story stand point curious as to why Kratos didn't tell Mimir to ask Jormangander who blew the horn
Considering Loki is most likely going to other pantheons to find the Giants, I imagine that despite the main focus of the series being in Norse Mythology being over, there will likely still be a lot of referring back to what happened in the Norse era games. Despite Ragnarok being over there are still loose ends here and there that could definitely be a gateway to the other games (for example what becomes of Sindri, Who blew the horn, What did Angrboda give Atreus at the end, will Kratos actually die in another game, since Tyr is actually alive will he show Kratos how to travel to other pantheons and what is up with the Mask Odin obsessed over, etc.)
Hey uhh I have a question , we know that Atreus mistranslated the mask and then they went in search of it in Helheim but the actual piece was in Niflheim. How come the mask still glow in Helheim and lead us to Garm? Could it be that garm and that realm tear had some connection?
I have to agree with you about the fact that "it's changed internally". I think they had a specific purpose for it, they didn't include it in Ragnarok for whatever reason so now he's trying his best to keep it going. "One day I'll tell everyone" "There is a hint in the world"
I remember in GOW 2018 their was a hint that Odin could transform, I forget where though, and he was tracking kratos at the time. We know he can communicate with the giants so he could of transformed into tyr to blow the horn
I thought it was Baldur doing things that the player doesn't see so it doesn't seem like the antagonists sit around twiddling their thumbs until they're needed
@@aaronsmith6388 I think world serpent didn't fight him cause when he appeared baldur understand that kratos and atreus are not nearby and went away and Baldur only attacked him at the end in 2018 when the player is inside the serpent.
@@Poise1 I will agree with you tho, it doesn’t matter in the end but it could have mattered so much and could have been big and 2018 made it seem like an important detail that will be brought up in the sequel
It doesn't make sense for it to be Atreus because Atreus never uses the horn to call Jormy. He always calls out to him in that ancient language and Jormy responds to his voice. If future Atreus chose that moment to call Jormy because he knows Kratos is not there at that moment, why would he use the loud horn that makes Kratos aware it was being used instead of opt for the more stealthier approach of not using the horn and calling out to Jormy instead? While responding to a fan complaint on Twitter recently, Cory has teased that someday in a future game they will explain HOW Jormy got sent back in time....everyone just took Mimir's words to heart in that Jormy and Thor's battle at Ragnarok was so intense that the impact of the 2 colliding sent Jormy back in time, but the way Cory is wording it, it makes it sound like the impact wasn't the cause of Jormy going back in time. It feels like he's teasing that something or someone else caused it, and will be explained in a future game, which I'm willing to bet has something to do with whoever blew the horn. I'm telling you right now there is going to be some time fuckery happening. Cory is the director for God of War 2 which had heavy time fuckery happening.
Not possible. Atreus can call the serpent normally with his speech. There’s no reason for him to use the horn and risk Baldur attacking. Said this for years but if people don’t want to believe something they just won’t lol
I don't think future god of war games (unless we get an atreus spin-off set in the norse saga) will be too tied to the events of the norse saga. Sure we may have a reference or cameo here and there but I don't think any of the norse saga characters will serve pivotal roles.
@@OldManMcLoyf What if future Atreus used the horn to lure Baldur in and keep him busy while Kratos accompanied his son to Freya? He was in a much more vulnerable situation and distracting him would be best.
It makes no sense for it to be kratos. Why is it that Kratos in 2018 only heard gjallarhorn blow in that one particular instance? If gjallarhorn transcended time you'd hear it all the time, 24/7 until you reached the point in time where kratos actually blows it.
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 it can't be the gjallarhorn. Nowhere is it stated that it "transcend time" . That's just a headcannon made up by a few fans.
Cory said that whoever blew the horn was following kratos this could be Athena and obviously the higher realm of existence is related to the mask somehow so this could make sense. Also did anyone else notice that Thors body disintegrated unlike any of the other norse gods? I think it may have something to do with him sacrificing himself for Kratos essentially dying instead of him which then also granted him access to the higher realm of existence the same way Athena got there
After playing the crater I think our Thor was actually dead. When Thor and Kratos clashed weapons he said something along the lines of "This feels familiar" and he doesn't seem to know why but brushes it off because they were fighting. In the crater the same lighting also appeared and we know that it happened with Faye. I think Thor died in that fight and was resurrected similar to Brok. Mimir said that a person is composed of different things and I think that thor also lost a piece of himself but different from brok, something related to body idk. You can see that through the game Thor's wound doesn't heal at all so I think his body just doesn't work, that is also the reason why he just vanishes something that gods like Baldr didnt do, that way we know it's not an Aesir thing. At the same time Magni is not on the floor after kratos sticks his axe in his head but that always happens with bosses in both god of war games. Brok also cannot remember what happened when he died. Idk, im just talking here.
@@eidorianeagle5806 no she didnt. Mimir tells us in 2018s game and i quote "thor was always upset he never got the chance to face her" 🤷 that frozen ice will be answered in another game. It was not faye tho
My guess is it was probably Angrboda asking the World Serpent about the very concerning red skies and stormy weather, plus what seemed like snow/ashes in the wind/air as Kratos rides the boat into the Witch's cave. No one else would have any reason to call the serpent, as nobody but another Jotnar or someone the giants trusted was capable of understanding or speaking Jörmungandr's language.
If this is the case, wouldn't they have addressed this in GoW Ragnarok?? If Angrboda did actually blow the horn to ask about the red skies then it would've been quickly addressed in Ragnarok seeing that these theories have been going on since before it released.
i still think there are signs that heavily point toward angrboda, when she was introduced and she painted her and atreus first meeting exactly how it went down, showing she gets visions and she was determined to play out her role as well as the giant wolves that came to see atreus (stated in lore and legends), so she can fit the description of someone who was following in their footsteps but with corys tweet, he makes it sound more like it could be someone "outside" the nine realms... maybe one of the giants which fled came back or maybe it was this mysterious woman mentioned in the novels, i think this could possibly be skadi... her fathers soul was in a marble and suspiciously mentioned, which means when she held him, she transferred his soul, this could mean she didn't die and as we know, mimir can be wrong, skadi is also someone faye thinks very highly of...
Could it be Hel who blew the horn? We were shown Jormungandr & Fenrir. Where is Hel? (Third Child of Loki)? Was the mysterious woman with three wolves (one of whom bought Kratos to Midgard) actually not Faye but Hel? Has she been in the shadows the whole time? The bird in Hel wants to retire, foreshadowing the coming of the real ruler of Helheim..who is Hel in Norse myth. During Atreus/Loki’s potential death, it would seem fitting that the Goddess of Death had something to interfere with the death of her father and wished to speak to her sibling (Jormi). I think she’ll be heavily marketed in next Atreus side-game/GoW 6.
The massive Jotunn bird Hraesvelgr, in the myth, is the originator of Wind and sits at the top of Yggdrasil, overlooking the 9 realms. With her wanting to retire in the game, I guess Hel just hasn't been introduced yet. We just gotta wait until Atreus and Angrboda do what they gotta do, if ya know what i'm sayin.
@@Myth1cPhantom Brother that’s not what’s happening, the bird is just the overseer of helhiem nothing more. It wants to retire but in myth, that bird is hel. The game isn’t exactly accurate to mytho n for most fans understanding Egypt is next. If you didn’t pay attention to the trailers or what the devs said, this game was to end the norse story
More proof to back up my claim is that fenrir for example, is NOT atreus’s son. But rather his pet. So once again, not exactly accurate to actual Norse mythology
This could not be Kratos who he called the serpent, cause Kratos blew the Gjallarhorn just to reunite the realms against Asgard itself ! But that person who blew he did blow the Horn on Tyr’s temple to speak with Jörmungandr so my point is ( There is alot of differences between Gjallarhorn and that Horn on the Tyr’s temple )! So we have to be patient to know who was he or she!!
I also just feel like the writers and director just completely forgot about the whole “Eitr Imbued” thing from the first game😂Had no use or relevance in GoW Ragnarok
@@fatos342 Well... "Venom kills" Poison kills aswell, but Wolverines healing factor kept him alive. Same logic could be applied here. The Durability and Healing factor of a god (Specially Thor since he was one of the upper in strength) made it so he just has a scar. Look at Ban in 7DS, He has immortality but yet gets a scar that can't heal. (Different means but you get the picture) He'd be A okay until it wore him down enough to where he's not either out healing it or keeping it at bay.
A part of me would think it'd be really fun if the horn blower was Atreus from the future, during his travels with Angrboda to find the giants, and it involved time travel. Did anyone find it weird at all that GOW Ragnarok had no interaction with the world serpent for the whole game? That the horn was missing entirely from Tyr's bridge? Maybe Atreus went back to thank the serpent and revela their relationship to each other, or tell them where to spit up Kratos and Atreus, OR to find the marbles of giants who got sent through time due to plot shenanigans. The mask initially pointed to Garm as a piece of itself, which could imply a connection between the two. Now that Fenrir is at Atreus' disposal, what if they begin to discover the existence of and the capabilities of beings connected to a higher plane (such as Athena and possibly Thor)? Since fenrir can wily nilly rip wholes in space, who is to say that he can't interact with time? Travel between realms is shown heavily to be a very finicky matter since Tyr had to build a whole system to help people travel, and the only other way was to use Yggdrasil, the literal crux of existence to maneuver through space. Garm just being able to do that seems to be a way bigger deal than they let on. Their discovery of this almost "higher order pantheon" would tie in nicely with the theme of the next generation being better and progressing more than the last generation. Then at the end when Atreus and Angrboda find and release the giants back to some sort of corporeal form (or whatever they end up doing with them) they reunite with Kratos to report back their findings of a group of beings capable of wielding power beyond imagination. To find out more, Atreus and Kratos set out to a land known for its incredibly advanced technology, one of the only civilizations known to keep a record of their history, with gods who are so connected to the idea of ascending to a higher order or power that it seems an obvious choice to go. Especially because Kratos has been there already, and then BAM egypt can be set up. Side note: has anyone thought of discussing how OP the giants are in GOW? Their ability to manipulate souls is something a little underexplored in my eyes and makes me wonder if they are somehow connected to the higher order beings.
Angrboda was an important giant, hence her being chose to be the one left over to tell loki about them. The 2018 jormungandr has already fought thor at ragnarok so perhaps when angrboda took atreus's advice to not be a slave to fate, she realised who's soul they put into the snake and she had to go back in time to tell him to after telling atreus about wildwoods, whilst the younger version of himself fights, because she knew younger jormungandr with his new body would have a better chance of surviving. Or maybe she thought old jormungandr wouldn't have hit him powerfully enough to be sent back in time, thus him and his younger self would die. And that's why we see him still in midgard, post-ragnarok.
Here is the thing Angraboda has the same age as atreus, how does a littral kid get to know the exact best time to travel to midgiard, crank the lever and blow that massive horn? ASSUMING we ignore how she managed to realm travel in the first place while also not getting cought by odin or any other asier
@@TiredDoktor6391 The same way she brought garm to asgard to same them from ragnarok. And she knows to go back in time because she knows of jormungandrs existence in midgard, knows he'll tell loki about ironwoods (because how else would he end up there), she knows he'll fight thor, and likely knows it was jormungandr who they gave the body of a serpent in the first place.
@@lost.274 Jormungandr knows about ironwood because that's where he lived for many years before hiding his sould in a marble to remain in ironwood until loki arrives.
@@gingersperg and when did she learn to time travel? Last i knew nither her nor fenrir knew how to jump back in time. Plus, jurmi knew he should say iron wood because ..... idk ...... he was awaken there? The soul that was implanted inside the snake was an adult seintient giant before going inside a poké ball after all
When I was playing the game my first thought was Baldor looking for clues. But remembered that no one speaks the language but Mimir and Atraus. Even if Odin disguised himself the world snake would notice. After watching Thor knock him back in time like in the legend, I'm wondering if Thrud might do the same thing to Atraus in the next game. Or maybe he finds a way to do it himself with giant magic.
I feel like, The Serpent wouldn't of tried to fight Balder, I think he's smart enough to know Balder is immune to all threats, Physical or Magical, chances are he just ignored Balder and went back to sleep
I think the one who blew the horn is Faye. She may have warned Jor about his fate. She told Jor that Jor must help Atreus in the battle against Baldur. She told Jor about Iron Wood, that why Jor guide Atreus to the Iron Wood at the beginning in Ragnarok, and told Jor that Jor must not join the battle of Asgard. That's why Jor couldn't appear in Asgard even though the Midgard rune gate was open. Because if he joins the battle, the timeline will be messed up, there should be only 1 World Serpent at the same time. The closest friend of Jor at that time, before Kratos and Atreus and the only one Jor will listen to is Faye . Perhaps she realized that the only way she could prevent Atreus from killing Kratos in Ragnarok is she need to fake her own death. When she dies, Kratos and Atreus will learn to bond more, to care for each other. Kratos will always grunt to Atreus if Faye still alive, but when she gone, he must talk. So why she blow the horn when Atreus is sick? She needs to ensure 2 conditions. First, she can only tell Jor those things if and only if Jor and Atreus have met. The second thing is that she needs to make sure she doesn't run into Kratos and Atreus at that time. The plague maybe is a signal. So, where is she now when the Ragnarok had ended? I dont know. Maybe she got into trouble and got stuck somewhere when time travel. And Atreus will save her in his own story. But I have another theory. Maybe it was Athena who kidnapped Faye. She imprisoned Faye in Egypt Pantheon (Athena had known thoth before). And when Kratos finds out, Kratos will have every reason to kill Ra. The war between 2 Pantheon, Norse vs Egypt will begin.
My theory is whoever blew the horn was going to be explained in second game, but then they decided to go with only two games so.. they just didn't explain it. This thing should have been TRILOGY cos Ragnarok felt rushed cos they had to close everything and didn't develop chars sadly. Baldur getting his whole game and Thor/Odin gotta share one with plenty other chars and Ragnarok on top. Whoever decided this thing should be two games made Sony lose tons of money.
@@GodWarsX Wasn't saying you were wrong, just giving you something to consider. Sound doesn't move nearly as fast through air as light so it gets distorted. You may hear a higher pitch upclose than you would from a few meters away. I like the Galahorn theory but I also don't think that's what the devs were going for.
Lets be honest, even if they answer in the future, they lost the timing and most of us lost interest in 2018's mysteries, the dwarf dragons that we freed was one of my most disapointing things in ragnarok.
@@itshelloyellow yep. After eric williams interviews or podcasts i was very disapointed that Santa monica didn't actually had a great plan for those Mysteries or for the whole storytelling simce the begining.
I agree fans losing interest is a very natural thing especially when it's already been news that Cory Balrog and Santa Monica want to focus on other projects or new ips. I'm just gonna believe that it was angrboda who blew the horn to speak to jormungandr, to ask where he came from. I really don't want keep my hopes up and wait for a game that may never be made to answer these kind of questions. I hope that I will eat my words tho
I agree I think. I bet the internal answer has evolved. Tbh.. who blew the horn wasn’t obvious to me the first time I played the game. So.. the next logical conclusion in my mind was for the next game to answer that and it didn’t. Therefore me very confused. Corey was so on point with the story I was sure it was intentional that it was super important and secret.
Yeah I get you Kuba completely but hey at least thank you for doing a Brief recap of this man and I personally almost believe it'll be someone like Atreus from the future somehow
The rift in odins basement was just a portal to that moment where the horn was being blown odins entire goal was just to find out who blew the horn and now we’ll never know
I hope you're doing more explained, theory, breakdown videos. Kinda figured they'd be coming at a decent pace since the game came out. Would love to hear your thoughts on everything and anything related to this game. Really helps get more perspective since you are pretty knowledgable of GOW and things related to it.
I think there will be an Atreus spinoff game where he will time travel yo search for the giants. There he will blow the horn. Also his relationship with Sindri will further develop
I feel like a lot of people (including you) are forgetting the fact that Cory said there are "stuff" in the 2018 game that will make sense "later" and "MUCH later" so I don't think this has anything to do with "change of plans" by the writers. I hate that you of all people are jumping to this conclusion.
I think that it was originally supposed to be Baldur, Odins tracker but, maybe time constraints made them cut out that part of the story. Cory stated that we would find out who blew the horn in ragnarok but, after all the theories started giving more hype they decided to just leave it a mystery purposefully until they can flesh out a more meaningful explanation. My theory is that it was Odin in tyrs form since he's the only aesir God jormy wouldn't immediately try to destroy.
@@off-meta-michael To know where they were. Odin is bent on control and therefore knowledge. The more he knows of his enemy the more beneficial it is for himself
0:56 the hell??? I thought that was the soundtrack while playing the game. Didn't even notice what Mimir had said at that time. Total foolishness of me.
Hey kaptain kuba, are you going to make a video about the mask? Obsidiani spitha is obsidian spark in Greek. I think the mask has different words from different mythologies
@@Callinallbarbz22289 The rift in general had that. Imho I believe that Rift is apart of the higher plane that Athena was all about. Just it unlocks the "Truth" Odin probably saw/learned a lil fraction when he lost his eye to it. Probably need to know it all in order to be able to ascend.
If it was Baldur, he and the serpent would've ended up fighting. Baldur doesn't speak the same language as Jormungandr, and the serpent has hatred for the Aesir. Tyr was most likely already locked up at that point of time. Unless he was still roaming at that time and following Kratos and Atreus from afar and only got locked up later in the story. Angrboda, maybe? Maybe she was already trying to make contact with Atreus and decided to talk with the World Serpent about him or to ckeck Atreus's progress in the prophecy storyline. Odin disguised as Tyr or another giant? Maybe, but I think atthat point of time he would most likely still be recluded in Asgard, to maintain his presence unknown. It is likely that Sindri and Brok would notice his presence. And it is likely that the serpent would notice Odin in disguise and initiate a fight. Or some kind of comotion. Atreus coming back in time? Probably. Thor has giant blood in him, and it is likely that his Jottun heritage has made Jormungandr go back in time. We know that the Giants had the ability to foresee the future, maybe they had the ability of some way to go back in time as well. Maybe Atreus will gain this ability and go back in time and talk to the serpent at the moment that his younger self is ill. So, my bet is either Tyr, Angrboda or Atreus himself.
I believe faye sealed her soul and awakened when magni died(coincidence that this happens after magni s death and before modi s death) she s also one of the few people who can communicate with jormugandr since they were speaking a language uncommon like god of war 2018 said(which i guess its the giant language). She must ve blew the horn asking jormugandr to help her go to jothuneim and destroy the mural we see in the end of raganrok(kratos being praised)
It's heartbreakig hearing you like that, I can feel the disappointment after many many questions that are still not answered in ragnarok and the subsequent loss of will to try and theorize further
exactly, the way Cory talked about the story it made it seem like they had a plan that they were gonna stick to. But that wasnt the case, so whats the point of caring about the mask and the rift if another writer is gonna bring in a new interpretation
@@KaptainKuba I agree, GOW 2018 was different from the others in how deep of a story it was, characters were written to appear al people, with flaws and purposes. So no wonder it made so many people think about it, how it would evolve and how the story would resolve. While Ragnarok is a wonderful game, full of gameplay and art, it really left a hole (pun intended) for people like you and me who wanted so many answers. I'm not saying that they did something wrong in the story (although pacing is a problem in the game) or how it develops.. but just ignoring some major questions the fans and Cory himself talked about for years.. it seems just like we're not being listened to. A simple line of dialogue would been enough like "we still didn't find out who blew the horn, right brother?" to make us know that THERE IS something waiting for us, it's just not the time yet. Athena not showing up was a big bummer too. She shows up even in the comic. You're telling me it's not important anymore? I have several complains about the game, and much much more praises. But the questions not answered are the reason why I'm a lil "hurt". I mean we all know it's a game but what really is important to us is the story that it tells, the feeling that it gives us and bring all these people to make youtube channels and create communities. It's not all over obviously but I can feel much of the hype is lost after we all are still burnt
@@explainDis So if someone is mildly critical you take that as him being the owner of a dedicated hate channel? Dude, what planet do you live on? Cuz it clearly isn't Earth LMAO sheesh
@@dubmcz Please. It's obvious Kuba is butthurt that his theories didn't come true. Devs made him look like a pseudo intellectual spewing nonsense. So now Kuba is behaving like a manchild. He should've judged the game for what it is, and not what he wanted it to be.
@@WolverineBatman It’s not bad to criticise something that is actually bad and this games story is bad lol. I’ve played every god of war game and it’s my favourite franchise and I can admit the developers dropped the ball big time. You enjoy plot holes and unanswered questions in a finale to a saga??
it is something epic they had in mind - I think sms simply thought of "let's blow the horn now as it'll be an epic mystery" but they haven't yet worked out how they will crescendo this climax - then they simply haven't figured it out yet what way they wanna take it - I think it's that simple
I always assumed it was just Baldur looking for them. At the end Baldur says "I knew hurting the big snake would bring out you two" which I took as him trying the same trick earlier but failed because of Kratos and Atreus being on the elevator, heading to Freyas. This, along with Cory Barlog himself putting out the tweet about it being someone "following in their footsteps", it seems like a solid bet.
I think it was Hildisvini, hoping to ask Jormungandr about finding a way to bypass Orin’s block on realm travel to Vanaheim, but he was unsuccessful in this regard due to still being trapped in his boar form.
Atreus is able to communicate with the Serpent without the horn by just yelling lol. So I'm guessing it wasn't him time travelling who blew the horn. It's got to be someone else who knew where they were and could also change the weather - red sky, rain etc.
Even in Ragnarok he wanted to use the horn until it was reminded that he can just scream it (cause the snake was close enough to hear it). So I think its still possible to happen in a future game if time travel is involved. Maybe screaming doesn't work so he uses the horn
It was Baldur forsure, just like he was asking Mimir where they were he asked jormungandr too. At the end Baldur says “i had a feeling wounding the snake would bring you two out” since talking to it first when he blew the horn wasn’t successful.
Not to mention Kratos and company have seen Jormangandr since the scene where the horn was sounded and he’s just chillin in the lake like he had been doing. There was no clue or indication that it was an enemy or someone hostile otherwise he’d have probably bought it up to Mimir
Hey kuba. Have you noticed that garm the wolf that Loki turns into fenrir is somehow connected to the mask. The mask leads Loki while he is in hel to garm then stops working after he is free. Then when garm is tearing claw marks between realms they look the exact same as the tear in Odins basement.
My guess is that the mask acts as a compass, but sort of a configurable one, so by mistranslating the symbols on the mask at first, GPS lead to some another random point within realms, coincidentally being Garm
@@Traf063 Well there had to be a reason why it pointed to Garn. It was a special creature so perhaps the puzzle piece wasn't really complete in Ragnarok. The mask itself was just gone and unused. Maybe it's a buildup for the next title.
It can’t be the Gjallarhorn because it sounds completely different than the serpent horn, it wasn’t Baldur because if it was we would’ve heard fighting noises cause guess what Jormy hates the Aesir
Kaptain Kuba, there's a hint that's been staring everyone in the face and I would like this theory to get some traction and reach the devs so we would see their reaction. Here's my best theory on it, back in God Of War 2018, Kratos was wondering why the serpent dropped him and Atreus near Thamur's corpse, that is a major hint that indicates that whoever talked to the serpent asked him to drop Kratos and his son at that location because that were Baldur landed after fighting with the son and Kratos needed to be there in order to fight Baldur and kill him to bring Fimbulwinter that'll lead to Ragnarök. I thought that maybe in thee first draft they were going to time travel but not in the traditional way of God Of War 2 or Back To The Future, because that breaks the laws of causality, they were going to do it like inHarry Potter 3 or Watchmen (the series), where what's happened already did, so I think that maybe the idea was that Kratos and Atreus start the game by trying to stop Ragnarök by preventing Baldur's death, but then they realize that they should bring about Ragnarök and go back in time to rectify that by asking the serpent to drop their past selves next to Baldur. This is a major departure and it would've changed the whole game (seeing how the story ended up being in God Of War Ragnarök), but I don't know maybe it was just a chapter that could've been cut. I'm a little bit bothered because Cory kept teasing fans who were asking him about this in the past 4 years, and he's teasing right now because so many people are asking the questions after finishing the game. Some people say that it was Baldur trying to lure out Kratos and Atreus, but if that's true, you can add it to one of the most disappointing reveals in entertainment history (the first one for me is how Nick Fury lost his eye in the MCU, and that's another discussion in itself)
I feel like they just shoved a lot of things in the first game teasing the sequel without giving any thought to it,and then when they started making Ragnarok they just gave up and made the story as they liked. You clearly see that with the retcon on the Ragnarok prophecy,it just threw a lot of cool lore pieces and teases for the next game like Skoll and Hati devouring the sun and the moon.
Okay i might be completely wrong but i Think the person who blew the Horn was Faye. I say this because Faye was the only one other than Baldr who was tracking Kratos and Atreus’s Steps throughout their Journey in God of War 2018. Atreus even says that Mother had been tracking all our steps even before we took it, it’s like she was with us all along. With Cory’S tweet about someone who was tracking Kratos and Atreus, this might be the only logical answer. Now how did Faye come while she was dead or what she wanted with the Serpent, i can’t answer lol. This is just my assumption. 😂
She wasn't tracking them, she already knew where the journey would take them and marked the path they would take. She's very much dead in gow 2018, nothing she could do from her death on.
What I really wanted to know is what would've happened if Atreus used Odin's mask. Also, is the mask somehow related to Athena and the higher form of existance? Becauw Odin was obsessed about what happens after he dies
People are freaking out because of the unanswered questions in ragnarok because they are treating ragnarok as the final god of war game but it's not, santa monica knows what they're doing, any unanswered questions will be answered in future games
@@theparagon4550 they can do it in another gow game , but the thing is that i don’t know how they could make an other game , maybe focused on atreus but a god of war without atreus isn’t really a god of war
It very well could be someone from an entirely different pantheon, we do hear about them throughout the game. And if Mimir knew of Kratos before they met and Faye had prophecies about him I don’t see a reason why other gods from different realms wouldn’t know about him and Ragnarok.
We will find out in another 5 years and in a different pantheon when nobody gives a shit anymore. The story in this game was a huge let down. Waited almost 5 years for answers just to be left with more questions. Oh and the world serpent plays such a huge role in ragnarok, world serpent was in the game for a total of 5 minutes, wow how awesome.
Yeah go away pls, we dont want toxic people like you that wanna get attention by saying this masterpiece is a let down, people were saying that about 2018 gow aswell the first weeks, then time passed and everybody grew up and understood the game is a masterpiece
Legit its crazy how high peoples expectations were to act like little kids when a part did not happen like they wanted too and downplay an entire game for that, jesus christ grow up
@@im_rigbum4938 sure but its literally not even that important, like who cares? It was probably baldur anyway that just went away after not understanding the serpent language
After hearing the scene from 2018 and then Kratos using gjallarhorn more than a few times, I'm personally convinced it's not Kratos. The horn to summon jormmie sounds completely different: has like a low, grumbly sorta tone and also shorter. Gjallarhorn sounds more melodic, higher pitched and lasts longer.
Ya I thought it was pretty obvious that it was just Baldur trying to find them. Especially when at the end of the game he does the same thing and hurts the serpent to draw them out. They had just killed Magni, and this was a scene meant to let us know that the Aesir know what we’ve done
I am admittedly disappointed with how they handled Hraesvelgr considering the importance of the creature to Loki in Norse Mythology but perhaps they'll do more with her in future games.
Could you do a video on where they're going next? My theory: Over the centuries Greece was rebuilt as The Etruscan Civilization & Alexander the Great united it with Egypt & Persia, so there's 3 pantheons to deal with. Menrva (Athena) leads the remaining 8 Olympians: Turan (Aphrodite), Tivr (Luna), Fufluns (Dionysus), Zerene (Demeter), Aplu (Apollo), Artume (Artemis), Hestia (No Etruscan name) & Herself. The Ennead & Ogdoad would be interesting to see as well. Ptah, Neith (Mother of Ra) & Atum are the 3 creator gods in different versions of Egyptian Mythology.
Commenting this before watching* if kratos blew the horn, the temple in midguard, and every other realm, would open up to Asgard. I get we’re not by the temple, so how would we know, but I’m sure brok or sindri would’ve found them and said something just like when Baldr opened the temple before
Its true that the ones who "were following in their footsteps" could very well be Baldur, but I doubt that's what's going on here. Rather I think he was referring to what has yet happened, in which case I think it's Atreus and Angrboda (and possibly Thrud) are the prime suspects. I believe the next game will be an Atreus game, in which they travel the Norse realm completing the aftermath of Ragnarok, the Rebirth aspect when the fallen Gods come back to life, but it won't be the Norse Gods they revive rather it'll be the Giants.
Hey Kap not sure if you'll see this but I have a serious question. So before you go to Asgard for the last time as Atreus you run into Fenrir and Angrboda. She presents him with his Giant marble and Before he leaves he tosses it back to her. At the end of the game you don't run into her face to face again until Odin is already dead. Yet he puts Odins soul in his marble. How did he get it back? Specially if Angrboda has them all. Just don't know if I missed something or not. Ok I did miss something and I'm not sure if I'm the only one. You use Fayes marble to capture Odins soul at the end. He keeps it after Angrboda hands it to him in Jotunheim. He holds onto it to go back too Midgard and Keeps it until the end.
The bauldur theory actually still kinda holds up since he died after jormangundr was sent back in time and thus bauldur was not present for Ragnarok at the time jormangundr was sent back. A paradox for sure but retcons fix everything these days
3:18 The snake is smart it would likely know that bulder is Invincible, If it really was boulder who blew the horn I doubt the snake would’ve bothered to start a fight knowing he couldn’t finish it
Don't you think it could be Odin who blew the horn. Maybe he just took the appearance of someone else to make Jormungandr believes he was a friend and then asked him about Kratos and Atreus' objective. Odin could have taken the shape of Tyr for example.
What are your predictions about God of War 6 ? Will it be set in Egypt ? If yes then what are the gods Kratos is going to face ? Will atraus and freya be with him ? Will mimir get a new body ? Will kratos and Freya marry each other? What will be atraus's story with angroboda after Ragnarok ? What will sindri do next ? What will Thor's daughter and wife do after Ragnarok ? Will Kratos become the Al Father ?
It's an older Atreus. During his quest to find the giants, he must have time traveled. He may also have another giant as companion who knew Jormy before he became the world serpent. Plus, Atreus may be following his father's footsteps (literally or figuratively). Cory's statement make sense if this is what he meant.
To narrow it down, It has to be someone from the future since the identity is not revealed, also speaks the giants language and has no beef with the world serpent. Which leaves us with the giants (angroboda, loki..) or mimir as far as we know.
issue I had with Ragnarok is there were effectively the exact same amount of Aesir gods you fight as the previous game. GOW 2018: Magni, Modi, 2x fights with Baldur Ragnarok: Heimdall, Odin, 2x fights with Thor The entire plot of 2018's story was dad and boy spreading the ashes of dead wife, while one is *literally Ragnarok* Also didnt like how a lot of events could be just explained away as "Giant Stuff." (like the portal to escape from Surtr). the thing I really loved about the previous god of war, was that despite never even seeing these characters, and most of these characters having died long before the events of 2018, they were still explained with great detail. Just by listening to their stories by Mimir, you know what those people are capable of, but now that you get to meet some of these characters in Ragnarok, all that lore and the abilities of these characters just get passed off as "Giant Stuff." Definitely enjoyed GOWR but it still felt lazy.
Maybe its future Angrboda because the serpent said to kratos and atreus, he knows the pain of their lost. Hinting Atreus or Angrboda or even both might die in the future
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what if brok got drunk and blew the horn
Bro imagine lol
Haha now that's a theory 😂
New headcanon
The only explanation
Best theory out here
Theory: The Rift in Odins Basement is connected to or an entrance to Athena’s higher plane of existence, The runes on the Mask were not Norse. Odin stated that it held the truth, and Athena said “I see truths where I did not before”. They are also both a glowing green colour. The only problem is that Athena is grey in GOW 2018 but apart from that it could make sense
When I saw the mask, that rift and Odins statememts that it will "give him all the answears and truth" from the start I thought of higher plane of existence. Atreus did the right thing but still it would be great to see what was on the other side. But I think it will be answeared in the future when the time comes just as horn.
2018 Athena is likely in his head. I think the sheer stress and anticipation of getting the blades back makes Kratos manifest her image in his head. I don’t know is she’s grey or not in the comic though!
The Athena in GOW 2018 was only in Kratos' head
@@GSainto makes sense
Yes, Kuba's said that as well. Athena was in his head probably as a manifestation of Kratos inner monster and past.
Actually. If you keep playing the game. You'll find that the person who blew the horn was someone named "Jörm Ama"
i thought that theory was debunked tho? it was later found out that "ðeis nouts" blew the horn
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Cory still hyping up this mystery even though the Norse saga is over is really strange
the one who blew the horn was following Kratos & Atreus, which likely means they will still be doing so. from a story stand point curious as to why Kratos didn't tell Mimir to ask Jormangander who blew the horn
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Considering Loki is most likely going to other pantheons to find the Giants, I imagine that despite the main focus of the series being in Norse Mythology being over, there will likely still be a lot of referring back to what happened in the Norse era games. Despite Ragnarok being over there are still loose ends here and there that could definitely be a gateway to the other games (for example what becomes of Sindri, Who blew the horn, What did Angrboda give Atreus at the end, will Kratos actually die in another game, since Tyr is actually alive will he show Kratos how to travel to other pantheons and what is up with the Mask Odin obsessed over, etc.)
Norse saga of the asier gods and vanir is over. The jotnars are the nect
@@lancethedecayedguardian2719 Tyr is alive. After finishing the main story, you can find him in a prison in Nifleheim.
Hey uhh I have a question , we know that Atreus mistranslated the mask and then they went in search of it in Helheim but the actual piece was in Niflheim. How come the mask still glow in Helheim and lead us to Garm? Could it be that garm and that realm tear had some connection?
This was the first thing I thought. I thought that Garm had the mask piece inside of him.
@@hellvelyn I thought it might've been in his stomach lmao 🤣
I thought it had something to do with Loki's prophecy but why would the mask do that?
It's called a little trolling. The mask was just doing a little trolling.
@@Slavic_Snake sure 😐
I have to agree with you about the fact that "it's changed internally". I think they had a specific purpose for it, they didn't include it in Ragnarok for whatever reason so now he's trying his best to keep it going. "One day I'll tell everyone" "There is a hint in the world"
"You agree with eberytang terri say" "watch it jemmy" name that movie
I remember in GOW 2018 their was a hint that Odin could transform, I forget where though, and he was tracking kratos at the time. We know he can communicate with the giants so he could of transformed into tyr to blow the horn
Fun fact: If you bring enemies right next to the fake Tyr he automatically gets rid of them or stuns them
Really. I thought he just doesn't fight
Even on my first playthrough I was sure it was obviously Baldur and I was not even thinking about it!
i still think it was baldur
@@adhijayas then why didn't the world serpent fight him? Alot of plot holes in all the theories really.
I thought it was Baldur doing things that the player doesn't see so it doesn't seem like the antagonists sit around twiddling their thumbs until they're needed
@@aaronsmith6388 I think world serpent didn't fight him cause when he appeared baldur understand that kratos and atreus are not nearby and went away and Baldur only attacked him at the end in 2018 when the player is inside the serpent.
@@anjalipanwar2587 he hated all the Aesir gods. He just hated Thor the most.
I think at this point it doesn’t really matter since in the long run it didn’t end up mattering really who blew the horn or if a gallahorn was blown.
@@Poise1 I will agree with you tho, it doesn’t matter in the end but it could have mattered so much and could have been big and 2018 made it seem like an important detail that will be brought up in the sequel
I think it’s Atreus time traveling and knows that at the time he was sick and Kratos wasn’t around that area cause he’s been there
Very possible
It doesn't make sense for it to be Atreus because Atreus never uses the horn to call Jormy. He always calls out to him in that ancient language and Jormy responds to his voice. If future Atreus chose that moment to call Jormy because he knows Kratos is not there at that moment, why would he use the loud horn that makes Kratos aware it was being used instead of opt for the more stealthier approach of not using the horn and calling out to Jormy instead?
While responding to a fan complaint on Twitter recently, Cory has teased that someday in a future game they will explain HOW Jormy got sent back in time....everyone just took Mimir's words to heart in that Jormy and Thor's battle at Ragnarok was so intense that the impact of the 2 colliding sent Jormy back in time, but the way Cory is wording it, it makes it sound like the impact wasn't the cause of Jormy going back in time. It feels like he's teasing that something or someone else caused it, and will be explained in a future game, which I'm willing to bet has something to do with whoever blew the horn. I'm telling you right now there is going to be some time fuckery happening. Cory is the director for God of War 2 which had heavy time fuckery happening.
Not possible.
Atreus can call the serpent normally with his speech. There’s no reason for him to use the horn and risk Baldur attacking.
Said this for years but if people don’t want to believe something they just won’t lol
I don't think future god of war games (unless we get an atreus spin-off set in the norse saga) will be too tied to the events of the norse saga. Sure we may have a reference or cameo here and there but I don't think any of the norse saga characters will serve pivotal roles.
@@OldManMcLoyf What if future Atreus used the horn to lure Baldur in and keep him busy while Kratos accompanied his son to Freya? He was in a much more vulnerable situation and distracting him would be best.
I'm 100 percent just gonna ignore what the director said and believe it was kratos in the future
It makes no sense for it to be kratos. Why is it that Kratos in 2018 only heard gjallarhorn blow in that one particular instance? If gjallarhorn transcended time you'd hear it all the time, 24/7 until you reached the point in time where kratos actually blows it.
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 plus kratos wouldn't travel through time again, he warns against it in gow ragnarok
It might just be Atreus travelling through time at some point in the next game.
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 it can't be the gjallarhorn. Nowhere is it stated that it "transcend time" . That's just a headcannon made up by a few fans.
@@theparagon4550 i personally this it isnt that deep, just Mr.Mistletoe blowing the horn
Cory said that whoever blew the horn was following kratos this could be Athena and obviously the higher realm of existence is related to the mask somehow so this could make sense. Also did anyone else notice that Thors body disintegrated unlike any of the other norse gods? I think it may have something to do with him sacrificing himself for Kratos essentially dying instead of him which then also granted him access to the higher realm of existence the same way Athena got there
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After playing the crater I think our Thor was actually dead. When Thor and Kratos clashed weapons he said something along the lines of "This feels familiar" and he doesn't seem to know why but brushes it off because they were fighting. In the crater the same lighting also appeared and we know that it happened with Faye. I think Thor died in that fight and was resurrected similar to Brok. Mimir said that a person is composed of different things and I think that thor also lost a piece of himself but different from brok, something related to body idk. You can see that through the game Thor's wound doesn't heal at all so I think his body just doesn't work, that is also the reason why he just vanishes something that gods like Baldr didnt do, that way we know it's not an Aesir thing. At the same time Magni is not on the floor after kratos sticks his axe in his head but that always happens with bosses in both god of war games. Brok also cannot remember what happened when he died. Idk, im just talking here.
@@eidorianeagle5806 faye never fought thor bro.
@@ragnarok9658 yes she did, in vanaheim the creater
@@eidorianeagle5806 no she didnt. Mimir tells us in 2018s game and i quote "thor was always upset he never got the chance to face her" 🤷 that frozen ice will be answered in another game. It was not faye tho
My guess is it was probably Angrboda asking the World Serpent about the very concerning red skies and stormy weather, plus what seemed like snow/ashes in the wind/air as Kratos rides the boat into the Witch's cave. No one else would have any reason to call the serpent, as nobody but another Jotnar or someone the giants trusted was capable of understanding or speaking Jörmungandr's language.
It’s Angrboda’s grandma or someone related to her if not one of the giants which still exists or returned to ask something from the serpent
If this is the case, wouldn't they have addressed this in GoW Ragnarok?? If Angrboda did actually blow the horn to ask about the red skies then it would've been quickly addressed in Ragnarok seeing that these theories have been going on since before it released.
But she would have been in Jotunheim, not Midgard
Men, Cory… You’re Mentally Torturing Kuba’s Sanity 😂
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i still think there are signs that heavily point toward angrboda, when she was introduced and she painted her and atreus first meeting exactly how it went down, showing she gets visions and she was determined to play out her role as well as the giant wolves that came to see atreus (stated in lore and legends), so she can fit the description of someone who was following in their footsteps
but with corys tweet, he makes it sound more like it could be someone "outside" the nine realms... maybe one of the giants which fled came back or maybe it was this mysterious woman mentioned in the novels, i think this could possibly be skadi... her fathers soul was in a marble and suspiciously mentioned, which means when she held him, she transferred his soul, this could mean she didn't die and as we know, mimir can be wrong, skadi is also someone faye thinks very highly of...
Could it be Hel who blew the horn? We were shown Jormungandr & Fenrir. Where is Hel? (Third Child of Loki)? Was the mysterious woman with three wolves (one of whom bought Kratos to Midgard) actually not Faye but Hel? Has she been in the shadows the whole time? The bird in Hel wants to retire, foreshadowing the coming of the real ruler of Helheim..who is Hel in Norse myth. During Atreus/Loki’s potential death, it would seem fitting that the Goddess of Death had something to interfere with the death of her father and wished to speak to her sibling (Jormi). I think she’ll be heavily marketed in next Atreus side-game/GoW 6.
@@espionroy7911 the bird in hel is supposedly hel
The massive Jotunn bird Hraesvelgr, in the myth, is the originator of Wind and sits at the top of Yggdrasil, overlooking the 9 realms. With her wanting to retire in the game, I guess Hel just hasn't been introduced yet. We just gotta wait until Atreus and Angrboda do what they gotta do, if ya know what i'm sayin.
@@Myth1cPhantom Brother that’s not what’s happening, the bird is just the overseer of helhiem nothing more. It wants to retire but in myth, that bird is hel. The game isn’t exactly accurate to mytho n for most fans understanding Egypt is next.
If you didn’t pay attention to the trailers or what the devs said, this game was to end the norse story
More proof to back up my claim is that fenrir for example, is NOT atreus’s son. But rather his pet. So once again, not exactly accurate to actual Norse mythology
This could not be Kratos who he called the serpent, cause Kratos blew the Gjallarhorn just to reunite the realms against Asgard itself ! But that person who blew he did blow the Horn on Tyr’s temple to speak with Jörmungandr so my point is ( There is alot of differences between Gjallarhorn and that Horn on the Tyr’s temple )! So we have to be patient to know who was he or she!!
I also just feel like the writers and director just completely forgot about the whole “Eitr Imbued” thing from the first game😂Had no use or relevance in GoW Ragnarok
Yeah true i mean you slice open Thor twice but it doesn't do anything. Maybe because the scar doesn't heal is important?
I think the reference to the eitr was the fact Thor had that wound that didn’t heal
@@pv8402 i mean we don't really know what happend during that fight,
it could've ended the second leviathan and mjionr got stuck in the air.
@@fatos342 well every other wound he got healed so it might have killed him eventually, and in the real norse saga thats exactly what happends
@@fatos342 Well... "Venom kills" Poison kills aswell, but Wolverines healing factor kept him alive. Same logic could be applied here. The Durability and Healing factor of a god (Specially Thor since he was one of the upper in strength) made it so he just has a scar. Look at Ban in 7DS, He has immortality but yet gets a scar that can't heal. (Different means but you get the picture) He'd be A okay until it wore him down enough to where he's not either out healing it or keeping it at bay.
Cory: everything happens for a reason in the game and nothing will be left unexplained
Also cory: never mentions anything about who blew the horn
A part of me would think it'd be really fun if the horn blower was Atreus from the future, during his travels with Angrboda to find the giants, and it involved time travel. Did anyone find it weird at all that GOW Ragnarok had no interaction with the world serpent for the whole game? That the horn was missing entirely from Tyr's bridge? Maybe Atreus went back to thank the serpent and revela their relationship to each other, or tell them where to spit up Kratos and Atreus, OR to find the marbles of giants who got sent through time due to plot shenanigans.
The mask initially pointed to Garm as a piece of itself, which could imply a connection between the two. Now that Fenrir is at Atreus' disposal, what if they begin to discover the existence of and the capabilities of beings connected to a higher plane (such as Athena and possibly Thor)? Since fenrir can wily nilly rip wholes in space, who is to say that he can't interact with time? Travel between realms is shown heavily to be a very finicky matter since Tyr had to build a whole system to help people travel, and the only other way was to use Yggdrasil, the literal crux of existence to maneuver through space. Garm just being able to do that seems to be a way bigger deal than they let on.
Their discovery of this almost "higher order pantheon" would tie in nicely with the theme of the next generation being better and progressing more than the last generation. Then at the end when Atreus and Angrboda find and release the giants back to some sort of corporeal form (or whatever they end up doing with them) they reunite with Kratos to report back their findings of a group of beings capable of wielding power beyond imagination. To find out more, Atreus and Kratos set out to a land known for its incredibly advanced technology, one of the only civilizations known to keep a record of their history, with gods who are so connected to the idea of ascending to a higher order or power that it seems an obvious choice to go. Especially because Kratos has been there already, and then BAM egypt can be set up.
Side note: has anyone thought of discussing how OP the giants are in GOW? Their ability to manipulate souls is something a little underexplored in my eyes and makes me wonder if they are somehow connected to the higher order beings.
Great speculation, hopefully we get a Loki DLC, but what do you mean by Higher order pantheon/plane?
@@quezmiz736 A pantheon of gods that have achieved this higher state of being.
@@natanaelsantos3924 Like some dmt type shit?
@@quezmiz736 dmt?
It was Baldur. Then SM saw how popular it was and changed it to a mystery but couldn't figure it out and chose to ignore it.
Angrboda was an important giant, hence her being chose to be the one left over to tell loki about them. The 2018 jormungandr has already fought thor at ragnarok so perhaps when angrboda took atreus's advice to not be a slave to fate, she realised who's soul they put into the snake and she had to go back in time to tell him to after telling atreus about wildwoods, whilst the younger version of himself fights, because she knew younger jormungandr with his new body would have a better chance of surviving. Or maybe she thought old jormungandr wouldn't have hit him powerfully enough to be sent back in time, thus him and his younger self would die. And that's why we see him still in midgard, post-ragnarok.
Here is the thing
Angraboda has the same age as atreus, how does a littral kid get to know the exact best time to travel to midgiard, crank the lever and blow that massive horn? ASSUMING we ignore how she managed to realm travel in the first place while also not getting cought by odin or any other asier
Jormungandr knew about ironwood because he was awaken there by loki and angrybird
@@TiredDoktor6391 The same way she brought garm to asgard to same them from ragnarok. And she knows to go back in time because she knows of jormungandrs existence in midgard, knows he'll tell loki about ironwoods (because how else would he end up there), she knows he'll fight thor, and likely knows it was jormungandr who they gave the body of a serpent in the first place.
@@lost.274 Jormungandr knows about ironwood because that's where he lived for many years before hiding his sould in a marble to remain in ironwood until loki arrives.
@@gingersperg and when did she learn to time travel? Last i knew nither her nor fenrir knew how to jump back in time. Plus, jurmi knew he should say iron wood because ..... idk ...... he was awaken there? The soul that was implanted inside the snake was an adult seintient giant before going inside a poké ball after all
The answer is probably some hidden spot in Midgard.
When I was playing the game my first thought was Baldor looking for clues. But remembered that no one speaks the language but Mimir and Atraus. Even if Odin disguised himself the world snake would notice. After watching Thor knock him back in time like in the legend, I'm wondering if Thrud might do the same thing to Atraus in the next game. Or maybe he finds a way to do it himself with giant magic.
I feel like, The Serpent wouldn't of tried to fight Balder, I think he's smart enough to know Balder is immune to all threats, Physical or Magical, chances are he just ignored Balder and went back to sleep
I didn't know that the horn blowing was such a big mystery. I always assumed it was Baldur.
I think the one who blew the horn is Faye. She may have warned Jor about his fate. She told Jor that Jor must help Atreus in the battle against Baldur. She told Jor about Iron Wood, that why Jor guide Atreus to the Iron Wood at the beginning in Ragnarok, and told Jor that Jor must not join the battle of Asgard. That's why Jor couldn't appear in Asgard even though the Midgard rune gate was open.
Because if he joins the battle, the timeline will be messed up, there should be only 1 World Serpent at the same time. The closest friend of Jor at that time, before Kratos and Atreus and the only one Jor will listen to is Faye .
Perhaps she realized that the only way she could prevent Atreus from killing Kratos in Ragnarok is she need to fake her own death. When she dies, Kratos and Atreus will learn to bond more, to care for each other. Kratos will always grunt to Atreus if Faye still alive, but when she gone, he must talk.
So why she blow the horn when Atreus is sick? She needs to ensure 2 conditions. First, she can only tell Jor those things if and only if Jor and Atreus have met. The second thing is that she needs to make sure she doesn't run into Kratos and Atreus at that time. The plague maybe is a signal.
So, where is she now when the Ragnarok had ended? I dont know. Maybe she got into trouble and got stuck somewhere when time travel. And Atreus will save her in his own story.
But I have another theory. Maybe it was Athena who kidnapped Faye. She imprisoned Faye in Egypt Pantheon (Athena had known thoth before). And when Kratos finds out, Kratos will have every reason to kill Ra. The war between 2 Pantheon, Norse vs Egypt will begin.
"the snake looks different" " aye curious that he didn't follow us from midgard"
My theory is whoever blew the horn was going to be explained in second game, but then they decided to go with only two games so.. they just didn't explain it. This thing should have been TRILOGY cos Ragnarok felt rushed cos they had to close everything and didn't develop chars sadly. Baldur getting his whole game and Thor/Odin gotta share one with plenty other chars and Ragnarok on top. Whoever decided this thing should be two games made Sony lose tons of money.
Agreed. It should've been two games. Not enough Thor, and Tyr.
Yeah it was rushed tbh even cory admitted that. They just have a story which is too huge to be fit in just 2 games.
I mean it could have been only 1 game but the story should have been way longer, something like RDR2
Baldur blew the horn. He was following kratos and atreus
@@jim_2570 why would he need to blow rhe horn tho? What could he possibly wanna ask the serpent?
Gjallarhorn sounds nothing like the serpent horn we heard in 2018
Right bro
Have you ever heard a horn blown from a distance compared to upclose? They don't sound quite the same.
@@lightningmuhqween4828 nor does it sound like an entirely different horn
@@GodWarsX Wasn't saying you were wrong, just giving you something to consider. Sound doesn't move nearly as fast through air as light so it gets distorted. You may hear a higher pitch upclose than you would from a few meters away.
I like the Galahorn theory but I also don't think that's what the devs were going for.
@@lightningmuhqween4828 Well, we hear the serpant's horn up close and from a distance so it doesn't really matter
4:24 i really wish we could see more of the helhiem zues in ragnarok
The person called "lazy writing" blew the horn.
Lets be honest, even if they answer in the future, they lost the timing and most of us lost interest in 2018's mysteries, the dwarf dragons that we freed was one of my most disapointing things in ragnarok.
I feel like all the other gow fans are too scared to admit this for some reason
Literally the majority are still talking about them. Just say you don't care because not everyone is like you.
@@ChocolateEffigy if you still interested on the mysteries its ok.
@@itshelloyellow yep.
After eric williams interviews or podcasts i was very disapointed that Santa monica didn't actually had a great plan for those Mysteries or for the whole storytelling simce the begining.
I agree fans losing interest is a very natural thing especially when it's already been news that Cory Balrog and Santa Monica want to focus on other projects or new ips.
I'm just gonna believe that it was angrboda who blew the horn to speak to jormungandr, to ask where he came from. I really don't want keep my hopes up and wait for a game that may never be made to answer these kind of questions. I hope that I will eat my words tho
I agree I think. I bet the internal answer has evolved. Tbh.. who blew the horn wasn’t obvious to me the first time I played the game. So.. the next logical conclusion in my mind was for the next game to answer that and it didn’t. Therefore me very confused. Corey was so on point with the story I was sure it was intentional that it was super important and secret.
Yeah I get you Kuba completely but hey at least thank you for doing a Brief recap of this man and I personally almost believe it'll be someone like Atreus from the future somehow
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Mimir was technically “following in their footsteps”
No matter how many times I see it kratos starting ragnarok always gives me chills. I really like the theory to bad he said it’s not what happened
One of the best moments in all of gaming for me. I teared up... just too epic
The rift in odins basement was just a portal to that moment where the horn was being blown odins entire goal was just to find out who blew the horn and now we’ll never know
Maybe Athena? There has to be some sort of endgame for this series and I think that Athena would be the Thanos of the saga?
I hope you're doing more explained, theory, breakdown videos. Kinda figured they'd be coming at a decent pace since the game came out. Would love to hear your thoughts on everything and anything related to this game. Really helps get more perspective since you are pretty knowledgable of GOW and things related to it.
I think there will be an Atreus spinoff game where he will time travel yo search for the giants. There he will blow the horn. Also his relationship with Sindri will further develop
I feel like Cory Barlog just made that and is now reading all theories from fans to pick the best answer.
I feel like a lot of people (including you) are forgetting the fact that Cory said there are "stuff" in the 2018 game that will make sense "later" and "MUCH later" so I don't think this has anything to do with "change of plans" by the writers. I hate that you of all people are jumping to this conclusion.
I never realized how big of a deal that horn blow was. I just figured it was either baldur or magni/modi, forget which one lived lmao.
I think that it was originally supposed to be Baldur, Odins tracker but, maybe time constraints made them cut out that part of the story. Cory stated that we would find out who blew the horn in ragnarok but, after all the theories started giving more hype they decided to just leave it a mystery purposefully until they can flesh out a more meaningful explanation. My theory is that it was Odin in tyrs form since he's the only aesir God jormy wouldn't immediately try to destroy.
This is the first theory that actually makes the most sense
Okay but why would he do that
@@off-meta-michael To know where they were. Odin is bent on control and therefore knowledge. The more he knows of his enemy the more beneficial it is for himself
Not really because the serpent would see right through his trick. Also with no evidence he speaks giant language.
0:56 the hell??? I thought that was the soundtrack while playing the game. Didn't even notice what Mimir had said at that time. Total foolishness of me.
Hey kaptain kuba, are you going to make a video about the mask? Obsidiani spitha is obsidian spark in Greek. I think the mask has different words from different mythologies
+ it has that green glow Athena from the higher realm of existence has
@@Callinallbarbz22289 The rift in general had that. Imho I believe that Rift is apart of the higher plane that Athena was all about. Just it unlocks the "Truth" Odin probably saw/learned a lil fraction when he lost his eye to it. Probably need to know it all in order to be able to ascend.
Οψιδιανή is not Latin.. Is Greek too.. Οψιδιανή σπίθα translates as obsidian spark
The first half of the mask was completely written in Greek.
If it was Baldur, he and the serpent would've ended up fighting. Baldur doesn't speak the same language as Jormungandr, and the serpent has hatred for the Aesir.
Tyr was most likely already locked up at that point of time. Unless he was still roaming at that time and following Kratos and Atreus from afar and only got locked up later in the story.
Angrboda, maybe? Maybe she was already trying to make contact with Atreus and decided to talk with the World Serpent about him or to ckeck Atreus's progress in the prophecy storyline.
Odin disguised as Tyr or another giant? Maybe, but I think atthat point of time he would most likely still be recluded in Asgard, to maintain his presence unknown. It is likely that Sindri and Brok would notice his presence. And it is likely that the serpent would notice Odin in disguise and initiate a fight. Or some kind of comotion.
Atreus coming back in time? Probably. Thor has giant blood in him, and it is likely that his Jottun heritage has made Jormungandr go back in time. We know that the Giants had the ability to foresee the future, maybe they had the ability of some way to go back in time as well. Maybe Atreus will gain this ability and go back in time and talk to the serpent at the moment that his younger self is ill.
So, my bet is either Tyr, Angrboda or Atreus himself.
No it wasn't baldur idiot. If it was they wouldn't make it such a secret around it.
I believe faye sealed her soul and awakened when magni died(coincidence that this happens after magni s death and before modi s death) she s also one of the few people who can communicate with jormugandr since they were speaking a language uncommon like god of war 2018 said(which i guess its the giant language).
She must ve blew the horn asking jormugandr to help her go to jothuneim and destroy the mural we see in the end of raganrok(kratos being praised)
In the words of Jar Jar Abrams: “Mystery Box” 🤦♂️
It's heartbreakig hearing you like that, I can feel the disappointment after many many questions that are still not answered in ragnarok and the subsequent loss of will to try and theorize further
exactly, the way Cory talked about the story it made it seem like they had a plan that they were gonna stick to. But that wasnt the case, so whats the point of caring about the mask and the rift if another writer is gonna bring in a new interpretation
@@KaptainKuba I agree, GOW 2018 was different from the others in how deep of a story it was, characters were written to appear al people, with flaws and purposes. So no wonder it made so many people think about it, how it would evolve and how the story would resolve.
While Ragnarok is a wonderful game, full of gameplay and art, it really left a hole (pun intended) for people like you and me who wanted so many answers.
I'm not saying that they did something wrong in the story (although pacing is a problem in the game) or how it develops.. but just ignoring some major questions the fans and Cory himself talked about for years.. it seems just like we're not being listened to. A simple line of dialogue would been enough like "we still didn't find out who blew the horn, right brother?" to make us know that THERE IS something waiting for us, it's just not the time yet.
Athena not showing up was a big bummer too. She shows up even in the comic. You're telling me it's not important anymore?
I have several complains about the game, and much much more praises. But the questions not answered are the reason why I'm a lil "hurt".
I mean we all know it's a game but what really is important to us is the story that it tells, the feeling that it gives us and bring all these people to make youtube channels and create communities. It's not all over obviously but I can feel much of the hype is lost after we all are still burnt
@@explainDis So if someone is mildly critical you take that as him being the owner of a dedicated hate channel? Dude, what planet do you live on? Cuz it clearly isn't Earth LMAO sheesh
@@dubmcz Please. It's obvious Kuba is butthurt that his theories didn't come true. Devs made him look like a pseudo intellectual spewing nonsense. So now Kuba is behaving like a manchild. He should've judged the game for what it is, and not what he wanted it to be.
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It’s not bad to criticise something that is actually bad and this games story is bad lol. I’ve played every god of war game and it’s my favourite franchise and I can admit the developers dropped the ball big time. You enjoy plot holes and unanswered questions in a finale to a saga??
It was jormagander he likes to toot his own horn
I blew the horn
it is something epic they had in mind - I think sms simply thought of "let's blow the horn now as it'll be an epic mystery" but they haven't yet worked out how they will crescendo this climax - then they simply haven't figured it out yet what way they wanna take it - I think it's that simple
I always assumed it was just Baldur looking for them. At the end Baldur says "I knew hurting the big snake would bring out you two" which I took as him trying the same trick earlier but failed because of Kratos and Atreus being on the elevator, heading to Freyas. This, along with Cory Barlog himself putting out the tweet about it being someone "following in their footsteps", it seems like a solid bet.
Finally, someone said it.
I think it was Hildisvini, hoping to ask Jormungandr about finding a way to bypass Orin’s block on realm travel to Vanaheim, but he was unsuccessful in this regard due to still being trapped in his boar form.
Atreus is able to communicate with the Serpent without the horn by just yelling lol. So I'm guessing it wasn't him time travelling who blew the horn. It's got to be someone else who knew where they were and could also change the weather - red sky, rain etc.
Even in Ragnarok he wanted to use the horn until it was reminded that he can just scream it (cause the snake was close enough to hear it).
So I think its still possible to happen in a future game if time travel is involved. Maybe screaming doesn't work so he uses the horn
I also noticed that on Tyr's temple bridge, there's no switch that takes the lift up to the horn
heimdall: see this horn? I'll be the who one started ragnaro-
kratos: GIVE ME THOSE!
It was Baldur forsure, just like he was asking Mimir where they were he asked jormungandr too. At the end Baldur says “i had a feeling wounding the snake would bring you two out” since talking to it first when he blew the horn wasn’t successful.
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All the evidence that we have literally proves its not baldur. Not even close
Not to mention Kratos and company have seen Jormangandr since the scene where the horn was sounded and he’s just chillin in the lake like he had been doing. There was no clue or indication that it was an enemy or someone hostile otherwise he’d have probably bought it up to Mimir
Hey kuba. Have you noticed that garm the wolf that Loki turns into fenrir is somehow connected to the mask. The mask leads Loki while he is in hel to garm then stops working after he is free. Then when garm is tearing claw marks between realms they look the exact same as the tear in Odins basement.
My guess is that the mask acts as a compass, but sort of a configurable one, so by mistranslating the symbols on the mask at first, GPS lead to some another random point within realms, coincidentally being Garm
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Well there had to be a reason why it pointed to Garn. It was a special creature so perhaps the puzzle piece wasn't really complete in Ragnarok. The mask itself was just gone and unused. Maybe it's a buildup for the next title.
It was Odin shapeshifted as Tyr. Someone walking in their footsteps looking for them but wouldn't cause the world serpent to attack.
It can’t be the Gjallarhorn because it sounds completely different than the serpent horn, it wasn’t Baldur because if it was we would’ve heard fighting noises cause guess what Jormy hates the Aesir
he wouldn’t even know that baldur is aesir so yo point is invalid
@@thoinksnthots9377 what. He obviously knows baldur is aesir.
Still gonna believe it's Loki doing time shenanigans, calling the Oldest Snakey-boi
Kaptain Kuba, there's a hint that's been staring everyone in the face and I would like this theory to get some traction and reach the devs so we would see their reaction. Here's my best theory on it, back in God Of War 2018, Kratos was wondering why the serpent dropped him and Atreus near Thamur's corpse, that is a major hint that indicates that whoever talked to the serpent asked him to drop Kratos and his son at that location because that were Baldur landed after fighting with the son and Kratos needed to be there in order to fight Baldur and kill him to bring Fimbulwinter that'll lead to Ragnarök. I thought that maybe in thee first draft they were going to time travel but not in the traditional way of God Of War 2 or Back To The Future, because that breaks the laws of causality, they were going to do it like inHarry Potter 3 or Watchmen (the series), where what's happened already did, so I think that maybe the idea was that Kratos and Atreus start the game by trying to stop Ragnarök by preventing Baldur's death, but then they realize that they should bring about Ragnarök and go back in time to rectify that by asking the serpent to drop their past selves next to Baldur. This is a major departure and it would've changed the whole game (seeing how the story ended up being in God Of War Ragnarök), but I don't know maybe it was just a chapter that could've been cut. I'm a little bit bothered because Cory kept teasing fans who were asking him about this in the past 4 years, and he's teasing right now because so many people are asking the questions after finishing the game. Some people say that it was Baldur trying to lure out Kratos and Atreus, but if that's true, you can add it to one of the most disappointing reveals in entertainment history (the first one for me is how Nick Fury lost his eye in the MCU, and that's another discussion in itself)
I feel like they just shoved a lot of things in the first game teasing the sequel without giving any thought to it,and then when they started making Ragnarok they just gave up and made the story as they liked.
You clearly see that with the retcon on the Ragnarok prophecy,it just threw a lot of cool lore pieces and teases for the next game like Skoll and Hati devouring the sun and the moon.
Hands down they need to hire you, gaming companies need to make more games for their actual fans 🤷🏿♂️
I am on my third NG+ of Ragnarok. I love this game so much.
Okay i might be completely wrong but i Think the person who blew the Horn was Faye. I say this because Faye was the only one other than Baldr who was tracking Kratos and Atreus’s Steps throughout their Journey in God of War 2018. Atreus even says that Mother had been tracking all our steps even before we took it, it’s like she was with us all along. With Cory’S tweet about someone who was tracking Kratos and Atreus, this might be the only logical answer. Now how did Faye come while she was dead or what she wanted with the Serpent, i can’t answer lol. This is just my assumption. 😂
was my exact thought aswell
She wasn't tracking them, she already knew where the journey would take them and marked the path they would take. She's very much dead in gow 2018, nothing she could do from her death on.
Modi ran away after Atreus was hurt. So Baldur could’ve blown the horn to look for Kratos.
What I really wanted to know is what would've happened if Atreus used Odin's mask. Also, is the mask somehow related to Athena and the higher form of existance? Becauw Odin was obsessed about what happens after he dies
Same
Maybe by Cory saying he'll create the moment to answer this, it'll be explained in the upcoming TV show in Prime Video's take of 2018's God of War!
People are freaking out because of the unanswered questions in ragnarok because they are treating ragnarok as the final god of war game but it's not, santa monica knows what they're doing, any unanswered questions will be answered in future games
The devs said it’s the final game set in Norse myth.
@@theparagon4550 they can do it in another gow game , but the thing is that i don’t know how they could make an other game , maybe focused on atreus but a god of war without atreus isn’t really a god of war
It very well could be someone from an entirely different pantheon, we do hear about them throughout the game. And if Mimir knew of Kratos before they met and Faye had prophecies about him I don’t see a reason why other gods from different realms wouldn’t know about him and Ragnarok.
We will find out in another 5 years and in a different pantheon when nobody gives a shit anymore. The story in this game was a huge let down. Waited almost 5 years for answers just to be left with more questions. Oh and the world serpent plays such a huge role in ragnarok, world serpent was in the game for a total of 5 minutes, wow how awesome.
yeah why would they add the horn if it had no meaning in the story
Yeah go away pls, we dont want toxic people like you that wanna get attention by saying this masterpiece is a let down, people were saying that about 2018 gow aswell the first weeks, then time passed and everybody grew up and understood the game is a masterpiece
@@IWKS1 bro i love ragnarok it’s just stupid that they added the horn for no reason
Legit its crazy how high peoples expectations were to act like little kids when a part did not happen like they wanted too and downplay an entire game for that, jesus christ grow up
@@im_rigbum4938 sure but its literally not even that important, like who cares? It was probably baldur anyway that just went away after not understanding the serpent language
After hearing the scene from 2018 and then Kratos using gjallarhorn more than a few times, I'm personally convinced it's not Kratos. The horn to summon jormmie sounds completely different: has like a low, grumbly sorta tone and also shorter. Gjallarhorn sounds more melodic, higher pitched and lasts longer.
Ya I thought it was pretty obvious that it was just Baldur trying to find them. Especially when at the end of the game he does the same thing and hurts the serpent to draw them out. They had just killed Magni, and this was a scene meant to let us know that the Aesir know what we’ve done
I am admittedly disappointed with how they handled Hraesvelgr considering the importance of the creature to Loki in Norse Mythology but perhaps they'll do more with her in future games.
Could you do a video on where they're going next?
My theory: Over the centuries Greece was rebuilt as The Etruscan Civilization & Alexander the Great united it with Egypt & Persia, so there's 3 pantheons to deal with. Menrva (Athena) leads the remaining 8 Olympians: Turan (Aphrodite), Tivr (Luna), Fufluns (Dionysus), Zerene (Demeter), Aplu (Apollo), Artume (Artemis), Hestia (No Etruscan name) & Herself. The Ennead & Ogdoad would be interesting to see as well. Ptah, Neith (Mother of Ra) & Atum are the 3 creator gods in different versions of Egyptian Mythology.
I thing it was Atreas because then he was with Sindri, Atreas said that he tried to call the serpent.
Or Kratos in the future
2:12 Felt that crying man. Very few times it happens that an event game like GOW Ragnarok had better fan theories than the original story
Another God from another Pantheon asking Jormi for directions to find Kratos
I dont think baldr blew the horn at that moment, Jorm would simply start a fight that would be heard in the elevator
3:05 he didn’t think kratos was a god did he? I thought he thought that Kratos was a giant because he was looking for a giant who was Faye.
Yes, Jormugandar was looking for Faye good theory
If the answer will come out in the next game will the answer serve a purpose to the plot or will it just be answer
Commenting this before watching* if kratos blew the horn, the temple in midguard, and every other realm, would open up to Asgard. I get we’re not by the temple, so how would we know, but I’m sure brok or sindri would’ve found them and said something just like when Baldr opened the temple before
Maybe it was an outside force that was setting the stones in place towards odin's defeat
Its true that the ones who "were following in their footsteps" could very well be Baldur, but I doubt that's what's going on here. Rather I think he was referring to what has yet happened, in which case I think it's Atreus and Angrboda (and possibly Thrud) are the prime suspects. I believe the next game will be an Atreus game, in which they travel the Norse realm completing the aftermath of Ragnarok, the Rebirth aspect when the fallen Gods come back to life, but it won't be the Norse Gods they revive rather it'll be the Giants.
Hey Kap not sure if you'll see this but I have a serious question. So before you go to Asgard for the last time as Atreus you run into Fenrir and Angrboda. She presents him with his Giant marble and Before he leaves he tosses it back to her. At the end of the game you don't run into her face to face again until Odin is already dead. Yet he puts Odins soul in his marble. How did he get it back? Specially if Angrboda has them all. Just don't know if I missed something or not.
Ok I did miss something and I'm not sure if I'm the only one. You use Fayes marble to capture Odins soul at the end. He keeps it after Angrboda hands it to him in Jotunheim. He holds onto it to go back too Midgard and Keeps it until the end.
I like the “kratos blew it to tell jormungandr to drop them where he did to fight Baldr” theory” hehe
The bauldur theory actually still kinda holds up since he died after jormangundr was sent back in time and thus bauldur was not present for Ragnarok at the time jormangundr was sent back. A paradox for sure but retcons fix everything these days
3:18 The snake is smart it would likely know that bulder is Invincible, If it really was boulder who blew the horn I doubt the snake would’ve bothered to start a fight knowing he couldn’t finish it
Don't you think it could be Odin who blew the horn. Maybe he just took the appearance of someone else to make Jormungandr believes he was a friend and then asked him about Kratos and Atreus' objective. Odin could have taken the shape of Tyr for example.
What are your predictions about God of War 6 ?
Will it be set in Egypt ? If yes then what are the gods Kratos is going to face ? Will atraus and freya be with him ?
Will mimir get a new body ?
Will kratos and Freya marry each other?
What will be atraus's story with angroboda after Ragnarok ?
What will sindri do next ?
What will Thor's daughter and wife do after Ragnarok ?
Will Kratos become the Al Father ?
It's an older Atreus. During his quest to find the giants, he must have time traveled. He may also have another giant as companion who knew Jormy before he became the world serpent.
Plus, Atreus may be following his father's footsteps (literally or figuratively). Cory's statement make sense if this is what he meant.
This was one of the things I wanted answered, and it’s one of the many things that didn’t get answered
I like to think it was Angrboda visiting Jörmungandr letting him know Atreus will be okay.
Kratos:🍑💨
Mimic:somebody just called the serpent
Kratos:👀…yes
To narrow it down, It has to be someone from the future since the identity is not revealed, also speaks the giants language and has no beef with the world serpent. Which leaves us with the giants (angroboda, loki..) or mimir as far as we know.
I've always thought Baldur was trying to harass the serpent into giving him Kratos' directions
My theory is that the writers added this just to make us wonder who blew the horn for the rest of our lives
issue I had with Ragnarok is there were effectively the exact same amount of Aesir gods you fight as the previous game.
GOW 2018: Magni, Modi, 2x fights with Baldur
Ragnarok: Heimdall, Odin, 2x fights with Thor
The entire plot of 2018's story was dad and boy spreading the ashes of dead wife, while one is *literally Ragnarok*
Also didnt like how a lot of events could be just explained away as "Giant Stuff." (like the portal to escape from Surtr). the thing I really loved about the previous god of war, was that despite never even seeing these characters, and most of these characters having died long before the events of 2018, they were still explained with great detail. Just by listening to their stories by Mimir, you know what those people are capable of, but now that you get to meet some of these characters in Ragnarok, all that lore and the abilities of these characters just get passed off as "Giant Stuff."
Definitely enjoyed GOWR but it still felt lazy.
Maybe its future Angrboda because the serpent said to kratos and atreus, he knows the pain of their lost. Hinting Atreus or Angrboda or even both might die in the future
You're forgetting that Jormungandr was a giant who lived in Jotunheim. It's more likely he's speaking of the losses from the conflict with Odin
i always thought it was just buldar calling the world serpanet since he openly said at one point shortly after that he had to beat up the big snake